Smithfield City, Utah City Council Meeting, Wed, March 25, 2026

Right? It was swarming.

I saw you.

I mean, we let a lot of stuff go for pretty cheap.

Let's get rid of it. Right? Welcome, everyone.

Our dear Heavenly Father, we thank you for this opportunity to be in here and discuss things for the city, and the freedom that we have in this country to do this. We are so blessed, and so thankful for that. And I also want you to bless our mayor and our council, that they will always have the wisdom and the inspiration to do what's best for the city. And we also bless that we can get some more moisture this year. And please bless our our workers and our city workers and our residents and everyone in this city. Bless them that they will be safe and need the things that they need. And we thank you again for this opportunity to be in this room and have the freedom to be here to do what we do. And thank you again for everything. And I say in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

Amen. Thank you, Caroline.

I'm gonna stand sideways My name is Belisa Schmuel and I'm on the committee for America two fifty of Smithville celebrating two hundred and fifty years of America. I was asked to share a thought this evening And the question I ask myself is why are you doing what you do? My answer to that is a short story. I grew up in a small town in Oregon, and it was in the seventies, and we had prayer at my school. We said the Pledge of Allegiance, and we sang patriotic songs every morning. That's how we started out. Through this and other patriotic experiences in my in our little town to see the president as he walked along the street. He was shaking people's hands and I wanted to see him. I think I was in third grade, fourth grade maybe. But I was in the back of all of these adults and I couldn't see him. And as children, we tried to squeeze through the audience, and tried to get up to the front where he was. And adults picked us up and pulled us through, so that we could see the President, and shake his hand. I didn't know this man, but I knew that he was the President of our country. And it was instilled in me to honor that office, as well as honor honoring our military, and our police department, and our fire department, those who served our country. I was proud to be an American, and that is why I am doing this. I want others to be proud to feel the feelings that I feel, and to be proud to be an American. It doesn't matter what you believe, if you're over here or over there. I want everyone to feel the power Rubio said it best. When you celebrate two hundred and fifty years of America, understand America is a nation. It is not an economy. It is not a government. It is not even documents. It is a nation. Part of the two hundred and fiftieth year anniversary should be a reminder that this was a nation founded on a powerful idea. Each generation of Americans brought this country closer, not further, but closer to the fulfillment of the principles of our founding. That is the story of our nation. That is what the two hundred and fiftieth celebration is about. It's not just a celebration of our country, it's a celebration of a people, and of our story, and what we have done together for two hundred and fifty years and for God willing what we will do for many many more years to come not just for our sake not just for our children's sake but for the sake of the world. And I think he said it best. I just wanted to share, I'm gonna pass this around, his quote. We also have events that we're doing America two fifty in the back, if you wanna see those. And please go ahead and you can have a headband. But I just wanted to share that, those thoughts with you today. Thank you.

Thanks Lisa. Thank you Lisa.

I'll second.

How do we vote.

Jay yes John

yes Chris yes

Mayor Council, we, my my myself and the department heads appreciate the opportunity coming before you tonight as we start the initial discussion on the budget that starts in July. Just kind of laying some groundwork for this. We'll talk about it in March. We'll talk about it in April. We'll talk about it in May. And then, we'll have a public hearing and vote in June. Everything in the budget is a 100% subject to change and approval by the city council. The plan tonight is to go through each department head is going to get up, give a brief overview of their current department, what they're looking for in the next fiscal year and also what some long term planning is needed, possibly some struggles, what they want to what they want to discuss with the council. After they're each done, we're going to circle back and I'm going to go individually through some of the line items, explain what they are, what's included in them, and then we'll just move forward to that point. But, yeah, initially, they'll come up, they'll talk about they're not going to go line by line. We're gonna hit some of that later. If you have questions, please ask. But like I say, we'll circle back to that and then we'll look at discussing it again. Because there's just some items we don't have definitive numbers on yet that will come to fruition over the next couple of months. But there's a lot of it that's really close that we would like you to consider. They will be talking about some projects and equipment and some of those types of requests. So with that being said, we're going to start off with Brett and then we'll just go down the list.

Thank you, Mayor and Council. Appreciate having just a few minutes to to discuss the recreation department's budget. And I appreciate the process in which the city goes about, developing a budget. It seems like it never ends, but, I'm I'm appreciative of the way that they do it. I express appreciation to Justin who who does such a good job with this and is so good with the numbers. He he trusts us as department heads, and he lets us put together what we think that we need. But yet, he's he also has a way to really protect the city and and can reel us in if he needs to. So appreciate all the work that he does. And like Justin said, we won't go line for line, but we will I will briefly touch on a few things, mostly just those items that are either way up or or down. My budget this year is a pretty simple one. I I really don't have any big capital projects. Probably for the first time in about twenty years, we we bypassed our RAPS application and and and submitted one for the golf course. So the golf course can can worry about the big capital project. But, no, we hope that they they get some money to do that. But we don't have anything major as far as capital going on this year, but I'll quickly just kinda review some of the things and maybe just kind of how we're doing and some of the highlights. We've had we've had a really good year. Every year seems to be kind of a record year for us. This year won't will will be no different. Every year when we go into the budget process, I start worrying about can things still continue to grow and and and even despite some concerning economics, that's going on around us. But we continue to to be able to do well and to improve each year. A couple of the big items, as far as, the recreation center goes, I'll touch on that first, and then maybe some of our out outdoor facilities and some of our other buildings. But, our rec center passes.

The rec center is busy. It's it's it's bursting. We project our revenues to be up about $35,000. And,

$35,000. And you so you might notice that. You might notice why some of the combo passes are down. And I know I've hit the first two line items, but I'm not gonna go through every one of them. But those are two that are pretty substantial. The combo passes are down simply because are two that are pretty substantial. The combo passes are down simply because we used to sell a gold pass that include both the rec center and the swimming pool. We're kinda getting away from that. The the swimming pool is is is managed a little bit different. They're, you know, they're they're there for the school, and we've just we're trying to steer away from that because everybody kinda thinks we manage the rec center, but we don't. And that can be kind of frustrating. So we're trying to kind of steer clear of that a little bit. And we won't offer we don't offer combo passes anymore. That $5,000 is just what we think is gonna trickle in, just honoring some payment plans that are still out there. A few of the other items, are you our youth sports continues to do well and grow each year. Junior Bobcat basketball, you might wonder why that's down a little bit. That's a competitive league that we do in conjunction with the high school coaches. That's something that's kinda come up this year with the the Utah Jazz decided to offer a Bantam program across the state, for competitive teams and went to every single high school and got the coaches to to rent out their gyms to them. And the coaches could then make money by just renting their their facilities and not have to really do something. So that that that's hurt us a little bit as far as our comp leagues go. That's probably why that's down. Some of our other programs that are that are always up that are are are well done is the is the dance. Wrestling program, we took combined that with the school this year. Pickleball continues to to really increase each year. And our miscellaneous programs, we started offering a lot more. Once we were able to bring Devon on, we were able to offer a lot more during the summer. As far as and please stop me at any time if I'm going too fast. I've read through this a 100 times. So but as I go through, if you have any questions on any of it, please stop me. As far as expenses go, not a huge increase in expenses. You'll notice what most of the increases in expenses will also reflect reflect on the increases in revenues. For instance, if Pickleball's up, you know, if Pickleball's up, you know let's see. Where is Pickleball at? $13,000 in expenses. It's all it's probably also up that much in in revenue or close to that. And same with, like, miscellaneous programs. So that's kind of the difference on the expenses. Overall, I think we're projecting a 6% increase in our expenses and about a 5% increase in our revenues. We continue to revenues. We continue to to try to, you know, set our budget to where where we think what we're going to spend, but be conservative on what we think is going to come in. And then and then in the end, always do hopefully, do a little bit better than what we project. As far as maybe some other things, and if then I'm open for any questions you might have, some of the challenges that we have. The rec center is very busy. It bursting. We're feeling a lot of pressure from Skyview. And so in the in the near future and I know none of this is reflected on this year's budget. But as a city, we we need our own facility separate from the school district. It's just and and and we're kinda getting pushed that way, whether we like it or not. So that's that's that's an issue that we have coming in the future. We also have some aging buildings, you know, with with the civic center. We are we're able to make some improvements to the to the senior center, but it's still a lot to do there as far as far as the outside of the building, and also the youth center that just continues to get older. And we use those buildings a ton. The the Civic Center, I don't think, maybe during the month of July, might slow down a little bit. But it's used every night and almost every weekend with basketball or with rentals. The senior centers is is used a ton also. So long term, we need to look at maybe some improving some of those buildings. And and also, our fields up until this point, you know, Forrester Acres is beautiful, and it's been able to meet our needs to this point. But as the city grows, in order for us to be able to grow, we've got to be able to expand some outdoor facilities also. All in all, we we feel we feel good about what's going on. We feel good going into this year. And if you have any if you have any questions or you you take want us to take questions at this time, Justin, or just go through any questions at the end. Or mayor, I should ask

you. Good. Good. How about miscellaneous programs? What is that?

That's all our little stuff. Like, all our summer camps, all our cooking, craft classes are we have a science camp. We have a lot of miscellaneous camps that we'll do with Skyview, where we'll do a basketball camp or a volleyball camp, those kind of things. So we don't have a thousand line items. We kinda group those smaller programs that are that might not go on for weeks, but might be like a socks or something like that. All those are kind all our summer programs are tennis lessons. All those smaller programs are kind of linked into the miscellaneous programs.

Good question. Things are looking really great, Brett. Are you finding any demands that you're not able to meet because of staffing or facility limitations?

I think that to this point, we've been able to meet them. But we're kind of right there at the cusp, where we're maxing out on the amount of baseball teams we can take because we only have so many baseball fields. And we've been able to meet those demands by using besides some of the gyms we use, we also use some other school district facilities on Saturdays and those kind of things. So we've been able to kinda meet those. But we're up until this point, I haven't really worried about it. But the last couple of years, as the city's been growing and as we've been growing, we're starting to meet those caps. Gotcha.

Are all of the payments that go from the rec center to the city for the or to the school district for the use of that facility, is that all included in that one thirty?

Yes. Yeah. That's a really good question. We there's a separate budget that's that's managed by the school district where we pay in 35%, and that covers all our expenses for the the recreation center. So all our utilities, we contract out with them for our custodial work, supplies, and those kind of things. It also we also are able to put a little bit towards capital in that one. So that when we have HVAC systems and those kind of things that go out, we can replace out of that. So all that's covered through what we we submit to the schools. And we just like to say 35%, they they contribute 65%. And that's how we cover all the expenses at the rec center.

Okay. Thank you. Brett, what where is the specific area that that covers that 35%, like, of the building? Because you said, like, the swimming pool is kind of

more for the school. But Yeah. None of that none of none of what we contribute goes towards the swimming pool as far as our the expenses that we contribute. It's just what when we built the rec center twenty five, twenty six years ago, just that portion of it and and what it takes to maintain that portion. Everything from the school side and the outdoor fields at the school and the swimming pool are separate. So like the weightlifting area, would that be The weightlifting area is part of yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yep.

I just wasn't sure how far let's see. West. How far west from the Basically, the swimming pool

and and then you get into, basically, the commons area. That's all kind of the school. Everything else, even including the dance room and the old gym, the Bobcat gym is what we call it now Yeah. Is part of that. Because the school was good too when we opened up the rec center, even though we built the we have we participated in building the new gym and the way room and the multipurpose, the racquetball course, the aerobic stream, and those kind of things. They also included the the old gym and the dance room as part of that. So which has been nice for us. We've been able to use that.

And then you talk about down the road, you know, maybe trying to get a different building. Obviously, there's a lot of costs involved in that. But do you think that that would impact by relocating to a different location where right now it's in a in an area where, you know, people frequent pretty often. I don't know. Just Do I think it would impact it? Do do you think it would impact it negatively by moving it to a different location

with some of what you're doing? No. I think it would be just the opposite. I think it would unless we were put up in the mountains or something like that. Right? But if we were in a location similar to that or somewhere downtown, I it would only increase because we're really limited. And one of the drawbacks for people to use the recreation center is during the school hours. They can't use it. There's only certain areas where they can come use it. And so it opened up that a lot more where I think we would actually have a lot more members.

Hey, Brett. What kind of you talked about your buildings and stuff. What do you foresee some big capital improvements needing to be? I mean, the senior citizens are gonna have to have some attention, you said. What do you what's your thoughts on that? Do we need to be watching out for Yeah. Well, as far as the senior

center goes, you know, the logs, need to be fixed. We've had a a bid on that building to fix those logs. It's sort of around $55,000, if I remember right at the top of my head, for probably seven or eight years. But we just haven't known for sure exactly what we're what we're going to do with it. And so I I, you know, I think, you know, if we decide, hey. This is we put a little bit of money into it now, and now we're going to keep it, and we're not going to build another senior center, then maybe maybe it's time to to invest a little bit more into that building. If we decide later on that we're gonna combine it with another building, then, you know, maybe we don't. But and sorry. And what I know, depending on the size of your buildings, you got your you got this you know, you Well, the youth center, obviously, is is getting old. We haven't put a lot of money into that. We you know, we this spring, we're going to go in and we're gonna put some rock back on the on the face of it that's fallen off to just make it look a little bit better. I'm working on getting do some painting in there. But that building is just getting old. Right. But it's it's critical for us, because we use it fall through the spring for basketball and those kind of things for our little littler kids. It's a it's a basketball court for us. Yeah. Sure. And the the Civic Center is is is pretty decent shape. I mean, we use you know, besides all the classrooms and and the gym, that's heavily used. So the civic center probably is not in this big a need as maybe the the youth center and the senior center. Those are the two biggest issues. Yeah. And the rec center is just like new. It's in great shape, except for you know, we're filling that push. We've been we've been able to put some money into that and replace all the floors. We've got some a lot of brand new equipment. It's it's if you walk into the rec center, it looks better today than it did in 2000 when we opened. Is it because the school's expanding more of their programs?

Or

As far as getting filling the push. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, over the years, you know, they've added sports. They they've got new sanctioned sports. They got girls wrestling. They've got boys volleyball and all and they've and also the freshmen are there. So that brings a fourth team to every single sport. And that really starts to take up some time and the demands to to wanna use it more during our specific time.

Brett, do you have any new requests that are you know, not so long ago, lacrosse didn't exist and pickleball didn't exist. Are there new any any new sports requests or needs that you're aware of that could be on the horizon?

Well, every time I walk down the pickleball courts, people ask me when we're gonna build some more. But I I I feel good about the pickleball situation we got here in the city. We I think if if I looked, besides, like, a recreation center, a separate one, it would be a baseball field, another baseball field. I think we with some of our open spaces, you know, we have some versatility there to do soccer or flag football or lacrosse or football on some of those open spaces down there. But baseball, you know, we we do have three baseball fields and two softball fields, but it's not enough.

Well, Brett, you've you've done a great job there with the Senior Center. Every time I every time I go there, they're always complimenting. They are very they're very happy with how things look. And they're like, man, it's so much brighter in here. We can see. So it looks a lot better. Yeah. It's just yeah. It's definitely definitely improved. If you could pick one maintenance item, big ticket item of something you think needs the tension the most,

just right off hand, what would you say that would be? Sorry. Well, if it was if I was dreaming, I would say, let's go build a $30,000,000 rec center separate from what we have and have them buy us out and and move on. But I I also am realistic.

All you need is 30,000,000?

You can I think I could do something pretty nice for that? But yeah. It's hard to believe our we we put in 2 and a half million, and we have that facility, which now a 55,000 square foot recreation center is $35,000,000.

Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah.

Okay. I appreciate all that you guys do. Thank you. Thanks, Brett. Thanks, Brett.

Before we have just an answer to Jay's question before we have Eric come up, we are going to talk about buildings later. We have a building problem. We have a building maintenance and repair problem. Okay. And we're gonna address that in a little bit, specifically a couple of buildings, and what we're not doing and what we need to consider doing. But with that, we'll discuss that when we hit some line items that I wanna point out. We'll go to Eric first. Thanks for pointing

that out. You said. Joan, I only need like 30,000,000. I'm under breath, so.

Well, I'd Better go sell some golf balls. Easy. Easy. So

I just wanna echo what Brett had already said. So I just wanna thank you guys for what you guys do, for the support that you give us as employees as well as department heads. So as Brett already said, trust, appreciate the trust that you guys give us, that you show us. It's very humbling, you know, to run the golf course. I'm I'm sure Justin might throw some numbers up there in a minute or maybe later. But it's it's a it's very, very busy. We just came off of the longest season I think we ever ran. We were open through December 23. Every tee time was gone on December 23. We opened officially. We officially opened on February 27, which, on February 27, which, we've opened in February before, but nothing, like what we're doing right now. So, it has been extremely busy. The golf course is doing very, very well currently. Zach and I work as a team. It's kind of cool because Zach from from the business standpoint, we're up top. We're in the building. He's out. He he's the one that, hopefully, that's why that that they're there. So he and I have to work together. I really enjoy work with Zach and his and his team. They do a great, amazing job. So it's it's pretty cool how both of us can work together. I just had a big meeting with my staff last night till late, and I'm always telling them, hey, anything we do affects what they do. So if we're not answering the phones, it's going to affect those guys out there that are out that are there, making sure the golf course is is up to speed. So, you can look at our revenues. I'll I'll you can ask me any questions you would like. Obviously, we're doing extremely well. I I sent a report to Justin just the other day. I mean, we're up 5,000 rounds of current our the current budget we're in compared to last year's budget. So that translate to over $100,000. The weather's our friend. And so if the weather's good, then we're gonna stay open longer. And that does take a a toll on the actual golf course. Driving range, for instance, you can see driving range we're forecasting, and that's a 25% increase in just a driving range sales. I did pull some numbers. Year to date, we've sold 9,004 well, from 07/01/9000 four hundred and thirty two buckets compared to the last budget year, 6,614. So once again, that's a 50% increase on how busy our driving range is. We try to purchase new mats every couple years. We pivot them 25 degrees every week, so we're always trying to make sure we get the best bang out of that. Probably the biggest thing that I'm looking at, what my proposal is for you this evening is, to purchase nine new golf carts. I did just wanna throw some numbers at you though. Current our current budget year, we've rented our golf carts 23,748 times. Maybe that's how I move that slow. Last budget year, we'd rented our golf carts at 20,000 times. So our golf cart rental, that makes us a lot of money. Obviously, it's a big impact on the golf course. Currently, we have 76 golf carts in our fleet. We try to, rotate the fleet, try to get nine plus new golf carts every year. So our fleet is staying current. Right now, our oldest golf carts may not sound old or seven years old, but where we're running them, that fleet is getting circulated every day. I get asked, are you running electric or gas? We run gas. So, when Chad was there, we've done the study. And for us, how hilly the golf course is and our length, gas is better for us than what electric is, especially how how how, often our golf carts get rented out. So, as far as expenses go, my proposal is, nine new golf carts. And then what we would do is we would we we do this every year. We either give some to the turf to use as turf carts and or we auction them off. We go to a silent auction. So I'm sorry to Jan. Jan's been involved with that before. Todd's been involved with that before when we do that. So and then that money that we get just kind of goes to offset getting new ones. But that's one of my proposals. My other proposal is it's called a tag Marshall system. I believe Justin had sent you that before when I was at the PGA show getting training in January. I met with them personally, sat in a half day course with them. It's pretty much like iPads that are mounted in the golf cart. Todd, maybe you've been to a golf course that has these. This is great data. I'm gonna say tag marshals pretty much just an auditor. So they're letting us know where the golf where the golf carts are, where they're going. You can put a lot of information on the screens if they're slow, if there's any damage to it, where our hot spots are. We can geo fence a lot of things on the golf course. When you go into the goalies and where you're supposed to slow down, we can it it can be flashing on those, iPads that are in there, not warning them, but pretty much informing them, to slow down. So, that's probably the biggest thing that the two biggest things from a pro shop standpoint I'm looking at is my proposal is nine new golf carts so we can keep the current fleet newer. We are running Yamaha, if that means anything to you. And it's they're all fuel injected, so that they're fantastic. What's the cost on those per golf cart? Right now, we're just shy of 7,000. Okay. We get them on the state bid. So we do get a deal on them. Then you the ones you turn over to you. The ones that we do right now, we could trade them in in Salt Lake for 3,000 a piece. We choose to sell them on our own. And so we start at 3, and they go anywhere from 3 to 35, 3,600. So

So there's some return on that then?

The ROI is very, very good. Every one of our golf carts, we still use. They're in the fleet. Dustin, our mechanic and Zach, they do a fantastic job maintaining them, servicing them. So yeah.

You're not feeling a need to increase the size of the fleet at this point?

Well, the we can only so the basement so in our basement of the club house, it's specked out to hold, I think it was about a 125 carts. So when we had built that building, that's gonna be jam packed. But much equipment in there. Zach uses our basement to put some of his equipment in there. And so where we're at, there's probably 85 to 90 things that are in there. We have the mechanical room that's down there. So when we have, so we have the largest fleet of golf carts in this end of the state, Logan River. Just, I think they just approved 75, I think, is what it was. So they've never had a fleet that size. Country Club has just under 50. We have so many charity golf tournaments that, we have a 144 players, so we need 72 carts. So a minimum of 72 and then just whole sponsor carts, etcetera. So yeah. It's yeah. In a perfect world, yeah. 85 plus would be great. It's just making them all work in there. So we gas every other week. We're gonna be gassing again this Monday. So that's what we do. So it's works really well.

So really not the demand for it? Is the demand for it, but you don't have the storage for it? Yeah.

Yep. And just yeah. You know, when we pull them all up, just where we're gonna put them. So, this tag Marshall system so you maybe you're asked, how are we gonna pay for it? Everything comes with the cost. Logan River currently charges, $10 per rider per nine holes. Birch Creek has been $9 per rider per nine holes. So we would, be the exact same as Logan River. The proposal would be on July 1. If it was approved to take a nine hole cart rental rental up one dollar, we would match exactly what Logan River is doing, where Logan River currently is with their golf carts. Logan River supposedly, I've been told, is also going to tag Marshall. Preston Golf and Country Club uses Tag Marshall. And again, it's a great auditing company, especially for us. So we know where our golf carts are. Any damage that we've had, it's gonna tell us where that golf cart was driven. The players' names are in there, so we have a ton of data with them. But that's if you want to know how we would pay for it, that's my proposal. Starting July 1, we'd be offering something new to the golfers. And so that would be why. What would be the initial cost though? That's what I was gonna ask. For It's gonna be a monthly lease. Okay. We would lease it. What is it? Just show you 3,000 a

month. Is your proposal then Yeah. Take the revenue coming back in and then pay the lease? Is that what your proposal is? Yes, sir. To wash it? Yes, sir.

there's gonna be some Service with it? IT support with it, some upgrades. So where we if we lease them, it's the exact same price interest free as if we were to buy them. It's kind of a weird how they offer that. It's, like, that's making sense. But How long is the lease? A minimum of three years, I think, is what was on there. I I think it was three years that we would sign with them. So but I've looked so tag marshals, the top 53 out of the in the top 100 courses in the country, tag marshal is in 53 of the top 100. So abandoned I mean, there's a lot of Pebble Beach uses abandoned dunes use I mean, this is a a lot of places that I have actually been to uses this. I've really liked it. So it's just a feature that we could complement to what we have. Logan River is gonna be using it. I think Eagle Mountain uses Tag Marshall. Preston Country Club is gonna be using them.

So I applaud you for making that change because that once you've played a couple of rounds with it, you don't realize that you needed it so bad Yep. Until you don't have it again. Yeah.

We can sell advertising on the screens. We own our own granite tee signs up there. When we take you guys up there in a couple months, we'll we'll kinda show you that we own our granite tee signs. We sell advertising on our granite tee signs. We can sell advertising that could also go on that screen. Right now, we're not even gonna tackle that till if this gets approved. Once these do get implemented, get mounted, there's training. So but, yeah. It's it's a win win especially having an outline of the whole your distances are on there. If we wanna put a cart path in, it's gonna show us where all the golf carts are going. It's gonna tell us, hey, hole number one, the average time to putt on hole number one is eight minutes. Hey, Zach. The pin's probably weird on number one. Or, you know, how long is it taking? It'll tell you if your pace is on. If your pace is off, it'll tell the golfers that. So it's it it it's a great system. And again It sounds like it has a lot of efficiencies

for the golfers and for the course. Does it do they promote this as a cost savings feature? All this data that you get So

I've been so our tee times right now, we're at eight minutes. Eight minute increments. Average is ten minutes to eleven minutes. I've been debating to go to ten. However, the the companies with Tag Marshals have been dropping t times to seven and eight minutes. So they could say, hey, Eric. From eleven to two, if we were slow, you guys could drop your tee times by one minute. So we're eight minutes. If we went to 10, we lose one tee time every hour. So if you I mean, you know, if you wanna know how expensive that is, it's around a $120 an hour. So I'm kinda like, well, we want the experience at the golf course. We want you know, when Todd comes up there and plays, we want him to have a great experience instead of trying to just pack the steakhouse and you don't get a good experience. So so but that's what they're doing is just trying to help us say, you know what? In the morning, you could be seven minutes. At this time, you could go eight whatever. So it's mainly just they're auditing what we do. They tie into the t sheet and so they're they're gonna be working as a team. So

Okay. So tell the golfer how long they got between each holes? Yep. How long wait they got? Yep. And if they're behind, it goes on the screen.

They can see where the group is in front of them. The pro shop can send them a little text and just say, hey, Jay. How are you? How you doing? Good. I'm here. Just please pick up. You're like, you just sent me that little clip on your phone. Right?

So So I'm gonna I'll send you a clip. Okay. So I'm seeing on here IT support, the cost isn't going to change. So how do you see do you just think you guys are gonna be able to keep up with it and do they offer IT support where you're con where you're leasing with them? They they offer IT for the iPads.

That's all that they're doing. It has nothing to do with that IT is with

Altek. Sorry. So we I'm on the phone all the time. We'll have to add that in. That's not in tonight because if you guys don't support it, then we we haven't included it right now. So if the council's like, yes, this is something support, we're going to add more money on both sides. Right. That's why I wondered if that would be to go up or Yeah. The dollar cart.

I mean, you know, from the numbers that I if we've ran at the golf carts 23,000 times right now, we go up $1, there's 23,000

for $1. So So just so I'm clear, it's you plan on it paying for itself through the rentals that you're renting out. Is that right?

Yeah. In that email that Justin had, there's it it will very, very easily pay for itself. There will be

it will profit itself. K. It it will profit itself. And it's a safety for you too where you have the ability to geofence.

That's Yes. Yes.

Keep track of it. What is the replacement cost? So just curious, like, you know, how people are hard on things. So Yeah. On the iPad,

I wanna say it was 30 times. I think it was about 20 little over 2,000 on the screen, I think. I could be wrong but I don't maybe it wasn't that even that that high. But I'd have to pull that. But it just seemed, you know, for other courses around us are using it. It's gonna just audit what we're doing, help us to be cleaner, let the golfers know where they are at.

Does that make sense? I I played Preston and I completely agree. It's made it a totally different experience. So

Yeah. So those are the two biggest proposals that I have this evening as from just from the the pro shop or golf carts. And then, you know, if if we do go with this tag marshal system, that prevailing fee schedule would change by $1 just to complement what where Logan River is. Doug, any questions for me? What's that? Thank you. That sounds great. Okay. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate all you do. Thank you. Thanks, Eric.

And thank you, Zach.

Alright. Thank you, city council and mayor, and, thank you to to Eric as well for his kind words. Chad, retired, I believe it was April 9, so I barely missed this last time. So going going at it for the first time today. One thing I wanted to add with that tag Marshall just on the golf course maintenance side. I know Todd has you've you've played golf course. You know how often we're moving those ropes around the golf, the greens, and removing the painted lines. Ideally, if this works well, we can geo fence so the carts can only get so close to the greens. So that would also save for us so that we wouldn't have to, hopefully paint those lines or move those ropes. I think we still went to a point, but if it works out well, that would also change it for us. And then also at the tag marshal, we'll be able to see and Eric will be able to see where all the golf courts are. And I think that's gonna be super beneficial for us because I'll know, hey, I got a golfer on a group on Hole 4. I got a hand water hole number five. Get there now. Don't have any play there. So I think that'd be a a huge benefit to to to me on my side. So if you can see for our, major equipment, on the board there, there's the nine golf carts that Eric talked about. In addition to that, we our bed knife grinder is for dust, and I'll explain what that is in just a second. But that is from the year 2003. So we just wanna update that with, with a newer one. What a bed knife grinder is, on your real mowers. So on your normal deck mowers, you just have the rotary that just turns so we can sharpen that with an angle grinder. But on our, real mowers, you have a reel that turns then you have a bed knife that helps the cutting. You raise that, lower that to change your height of cut. So that would just be to, to sharpen those bed knives. Currently, we have, 50 total reels. I asked Dustin how many we had, and that's between our fairway mowers or all reel mowers, our, greens mowers, our, t mowers, and the bunkers with it is a real mower. So that would just be for for helping with Dustin with sharpening that. Our current one, a big thing of that is it is all manual in feed. So Dustin, especially during the the winter, a lot of times he's just sitting there and just moving it just slowly so it'll just sharpen a little bit closer on that stone. This one is automatic. You put it in the system. You're only taking off, you know, thousands of an inch at a time, especially on the greens more because they're so particular. You know, when we're cutting at less than an eighth of an inch, they're just so particular at getting that fine fine cut. So, that would be a huge thing. Dustin won't just have to be sitting there babysitting that. He'll just be able to type it in the computer then go work on other things, work on other, maintenance things. And and I guess Dustin's our mechanic, I think. I already said that, but yeah. So that'd be the bed knife grinder. And then the Harper Hawk self contained sweeper on there, that would just be for cleaning up the golf course a lot. We have a lot of trees up there. Get a lot of leaves down in the fall. Every windstorm we have, we have branches all over, and that would be the main thing for that. It was just cleaning up after those storms, clean up in the fall just so we have the the best golf course. And then the other big thing that this one does, why we like it being self contained, the other ones you have to pull with a tractor and, just, you know, that puts extra hours on your tractor. And also, we a lot of time, we use our tractor for seating, for deep timing these areas and and stuff like that. So I think that'd be a great addition just because of that, and there'd be more people who could run that self contained sweeper. And then another big benefit to this one specifically is that aerification course. And when we aerify our fairways, tees, and greens, this would be able to collect that. Whereas a lot of them aren't as fine. This one has a brush that would help. You can change it from a brush to, like, kinda knives that help with more leaves and sticks. So that'd be a big thing with this is that we can clean up those aerification cores. So those are kind of the the major equipment items that we have listed in addition to the the golf carts. Another thing I wanna bring up, like Eric said earlier, our range is very, very, popular, getting more and more popular. So we have the RAPSTAX application, submitted for the safety net on that, north side of the range. I counted today. I was out there at, like, 10:00 or so. And there were 80 range balls just from today that were past where that net would be, you know, a lot in the fairway. One of them was on the the tee box, which had to have been quite the shank. But, so, yeah, that would be our net. And that was the one of our main items for the the capital improvement project was that was the money there, and that would be used to offset how much money the net would cost and how much wraps tax we would get. So that's where that capital improvement project number is. And then also, if we were not to get approved for that or if the number was different than we thought, we would love to do, some more cart paths. Like Eric said, carts are very popular. We did, a lot of cart path projects this fall, which had been amazing for the golf course. We in golf, we kinda use yards as terms. So we did over 800 yards of, a cart pass this last year. And if you've been up there, I think they're a great addition to the golf course. It just helps the turf a lot. You know, you don't see those wear marks everywhere, especially around, some of our greens. So that has been a a great, addition. Some of the the needs that are on there now for the future that I have written down there, and those aren't in the exact order. Exact order, I think our most important thing is the rough mower and the fairway mower. Our rough mower currently, is, from 2013. We put a lot of hours on it. It has almost seventy six hundred hours on that rough mower. We do have one from 2022 as well. We use both mowers, not every week, but we use the both a lot. And just to have that backup would be would be big. So that 2013, rough mower is, currently a $118,000. And then fairway mower, this would be to, we have four fairway mowers. Our oldest one's from 2009. So that would just be to to backfill that. The 3,500 rough mower, that one we do on all of our steep slopes. We're a really hilly golf course. That one's designed to kinda take those steep slopes. So it's really important to have. And that one all is also from from 2013. So those are just kinda some, major equipment items. The the new golf carts, bed knife grinder, and the sweeper is for this year. And those are just some kind of future needs that we need on those other, ones that I shared. The biggest thing for, capital improvement projects that are not funded, as you can see there, the biggest one is the the irrigation system. I know we say a lot that, like, our irrigation system is, is not the best and that we just need to improve that. I just kinda wanna give a few, examples of the irrigation system. So the the history of the Birch Creek, it was in the built in the nineteen sixties. So the old part of the course, because there used to be a nine hole course, now it's an 18 hole. The old part of the course is from the sixties, and that is our irrigation system. It's the original irrigation system from the nineteen sixties. It's a still main line that breaks a lot and, you know, just just really tough. And then the new course is from 1978 is what I've understood from digging up heads is a lot of them say 1978 on them. And that's the the big thing is it's just it's just old, outdated. I would say I don't know this exact number, but I would say that only about 60 to 65% of the golf course is actually, covered by the automatic system. And the rest of it, we cover by dragging hoses and running sprinklers. We have one person who all his job is is just dragging hoses all day every day. He drags hoses and then sets his sprinklers around our dry areas and then comes back and does and does a few sets per day. We also have someone who is hired just to run, early morning irrigation, and that's twice a week at 03:30 in the morning. Just going, he just plugs in sprinklers. And we try to get as much of it done before golfers get out there, but, there's just a lot to do. So that's a big thing is that they're just not covered. Currently, I would guess that we have about 750 sprinkler heads. Give or take, I have not counted them all. But, on our our plans, we had a plan written out in, I believe, 2023. The newest new one would have 1,900 heads. And if you look at that, you almost tripled the heads, little over little under tripled. I think that would still even though there's so many more heads, it would help us be so much more efficient on our watering. And then, you know, with with drought being a big thing, especially this year is gonna be a major thing. I think it would just help us so much to be more efficient with the water that we are given. An example. So last year, and this is just kinda big breaks. I didn't any pop ups or anything. I didn't write that down. But we had 33, irrigation breaks last year. I've already had four this week. So it's been, it's been quite the week. An example of, what yesterday, yesterday, I had to dig up and fix two heads from 1978. And, just an example, just for two heads, I had to shut off 12 valves because they're all old valves, old rusty valves from the sixties or seventies. So that kinda shuts off, you know, it shut off about five holes of the golf course just to get these two fixed. And, again, we're not watering right now. It's kinda more just I just got the system up and running. So it's it you know, they're gonna they're gonna add up. And it's just every year, it's just gonna keep getting more and more. And this is a thing, you know, you look at that that dollar amount, it's, you know, our last one with, I'd say, worst technology lasted sixty years. So this isn't something that, you know, we're gonna have to be getting into fifteen, twenty years again. It's something that will last for a long time, especially with, the the coverage that we have. So that's the irrigation system. The other one is, like like Justin said earlier, building a new maintenance shop. A big thing with that is, safety for Dustin. We don't have a hoist. Our building is not tall enough. So a lot of times, he just if we ever has to work on the fairway mowers, the rough mowers, any of our workmans, he's just using ramps or jack stands. It's not the safest thing. And then, so that's just a big thing for him, getting a hoist. It just isn't tall enough building to to do that. And then also just storage. We have a lot of equipment that we just have to park outside, at all times, you know, tractors, rough that twenty thirteen rough mowers parked outside, and a lot of other things are always always just parked outside. And that that sun just beats on them. And like, Eric said earlier, we also park a lot of stuff in the basement of the of the clubhouse and and take a lot of, space there. And then the the sand pit cover, we we used to use two sand pits, and that's for our top dressing sand, bunker sand, and stuff like that. We've consolidated that down to one. So we just have a cover that we are already parking, mowers in and and tractors and sweepers in and stuff. And, this would just be to cover that so that it would not be out in the sun all day. And then like it says in the bottom, which I said earlier, you know, just always just continually improving the golf course. One big thing's cart paths right now. Just a lot of the wear on the grass from from not having those. So those are kind of the the capital improvement funds for the future some needs and other things for this budget. I guess any questions on anything with any of that?

With that with that tag software, would that help you be able to kinda figure out where you wanna put cart paths a little bit more? I don't know. Yeah. For sure. For sure. You can get mapping,

you know, by the day, I think, by the week, every time just where the carts are going. So that would be very, very beneficial for that. Yep.

Give me a sense, Zach, of how our irrigation system compares to irrigation systems at other, you know, courses here in Utah. I mean, are is everybody in the same kind of boat or are we way behind or are we ahead of where I've worked at four golf courses.

This is by far by far the worst. Just an example, Logan Country Club, they're a younger course than us. They've already updated Eagle Mountain, a much younger golf course than us. They've already they updated, I believe, in 2018 or 2019. Yeah. And, like, the age is a hundred percent one thing, but also the coverage, you know, just not having they on especially the old part of the course, they just put it's called a single row irrigation. So we have one head down fairway, and then there's no irrigation on the roughs or anything. So that's where we're doing a lot of the dragging the hoses is just yeah. It's so I would say I would argue it's the oldest in the state of Utah. I'm not sure on that though.

And what's what's best practice in terms of covering cost for major capital improvements on golf course? Do most golf course public golf courses like this build that into their and make sure their their own revenues are covering those costs? Or are cities often chipping in to help pay for those? Or what do you know about best practices for other

public golf courses? I'm not sure on that. Okay. I am. You are? I'm sure. Yeah. I was gonna say, I think I know, but I didn't wanna say anything to know a 100%.

They are subsidized by the city general fund. Yeah. Specifically, typically, a city that has an electric fund, not that there's any of those close to us, but they heavily subsidized that course. Yes. They're subsidized elsewhere. Our course is not in the last few years, they have done everything on their own. They have covered all their costs plus some. Even Even buying some extra equipment that we've been fortunate enough to do in May and June of each year when we've had really good years, the course has still been very, very positive. But, yes, other other cities are typically heavily subsidizing, In regard to the golf course or the irrigation system, we have looked for grants. We actually found a grant a couple years ago, but it was a fifty fifty and then federal funding got pulled. We'll still look for those. When Chad and Zach looked at that back, was it 2023? I believe 2023. Yeah. The efficiency of what that the amount of gallons that course will decrease is substantial. Like, they're Major. Like, he can offer better coverage than he's ever offered on that course and use less water. That's what I was saying. That's the grant opportunity that's out there. It's not for an irrigation system. It's to be more efficient and use less water. So are we still looking for those? Actually, I reached out to some constituents this week to see if there's anything out there right now in regards to that and several other things that we do waiting to hear from them. So that may be one of those. All of a sudden, the grand opens up and we may be coming in and going council. You know, we, we have some options there. Today, we don't. The one thing I talked to Zach about is I've had been asked in the past, well, can't you do a hole a year? Let's just do one hole a year or two holes a year. Zach can explain why we can't do that. And and, really, we have two options, kind of an 18 or an eight and ten. Zach, I'll let you explain that. Yeah. Yeah. So it it would basically be all 18 holes, which is the best case scenario, of course, or the old course,

doing that first. And that would be holes one through four, nine and ten, 18 in the driving range at a time. The the really difficult part with that is, you know, connecting the main line that we have currently, which is still to a new, h d p mainline, which would be yeah. So like Justin said, I didn't know a 100%, but yeah, a lot of the the cities are paying for that or subsidizing that. Yeah.

As far as implementing that down the road, is there is there times of the year where that would work better than others? You know what I mean? I don't know. Yeah. How easy it is to dig in the ground? Yeah. No. That's a great question. But

This year would have probably been really good because there was no snow. But I know that Logan Country Club, Eagle Mountain, Club, Eagle Mountain, a lot of other golf courses, they would do the main lines in the fall and then would start doing the laterals off of that as soon as they could. So they would work as far as they could in the fall before the snow falls and then do the so, yeah, most courses, they get the whole main line done in the one fall and then start with the laterals after that. So it would be, you know, shutting down a hole or two at a time, kinda think while, they're doing the laterals, but then, you know, going from there. Logan Country Club, when they were doing that, they would just change the holes at a time, you know, like, if they were working behind, you just play a 100 yard hole instead of a 300 yard hole kind of thing and just adjust it that way.

Mike corrected my assumption that all of the water

up there that that is all secondary as far as what's happening for it, that none of that is culinary?

Yeah. No. None of it is culinary. Yeah. Okay. We do have a well that we run-in the off season. So like Okay. We have used that well. Yeah. Okay. For that. Yeah.

How long do you anticipate that project taking?

I'm not sure. The the hope would be the fall and the spring.

And then it'd be done?

Yeah. I I I think that's the hope. I don't know if Eric has seen other things with other golf courses, but that's Yeah.

Right. Right.

Yeah. And, yeah, like I said, that's how Eagle Mountain was there. Yeah. They they, yeah, put all the main lines in in the fall and then started from there. So

Thank you so much. Thank you.

Thanks, Zach.

Thank you. We'll next go to Chief Hunt in the fire department.

Hello, Council Mayor. Thanks for having me taking the time to do this. I can't imagine what it's like on your side. It's daunting enough to look at just mine, let alone everybody else's. But I'll make this pretty quick. You can look at our budget. Our budget this year is pretty flat. There's not a lot of changes in our budget from last year to this year, and it's kind of been done on purpose. Some of those things or some of those reasons are we do really well with wildland. We've been doing wildland for a lot of years. Last year, well, when we did a budget opening in December, our total for the year was about $304,000 is what we collected in revenue for wildland. Now we have to pay all our expenses and all that stuff, so it's not $304,000 of profit, but it does help out the fire department quite a bit. I say that in December thing because we've already been to Texas once this year. They've been back for about a week and a half. We've received some other orders that have gotten canceled right before we left. I don't see this year changing any in the amount that these resources are gonna be needed. So I think remounting two new ambulances at the tune of about $90,000 a piece, which seems pretty expensive. But when you compare it to right now they're estimating between 350 and $400,000 for a new ambulance if we ordered them from like Wheeled Coach or Trauma Hawk or some of these places. So significantly less. That'll put four of our five ambulances will be newer than 2020, which is a good thing when they do what they do and the amount of miles that we put on them. So that helps out quite a bit. We've been able to purchase a paging system for our fire station with that money. Those of you that know radio stuff, the governments came in and said, okay, you need to switch to narrow banding. Right now, dispatch is running what they call patches to still communicate with the old paging system of wearing pagers. I foresee that going away fair fairly soon. So that paging system will be the only way that the system will be the only way that the crews inside the station will be notified of calls coming in. It was pricey, but wildland revenue is what helped get that for us. We've also done a lot of station improvements, from the dorm rooms upstairs, insulating on tops and on the sides. As much as our crews like each other, they don't like to hear each other at night when they're trying to sleep. So that's helped out tremendously. Lighting in the station. Our station's over 20 years old. So some of the lights, like out in the bay, it was just getting next to impossible to find ballast for those eight foot fluorescent lights anymore. Even the bulbs themselves were hard hard to find. So we've replaced those all out to LEDs. We bought, you know, turnout racks. So where the guys store their turnouts, they're all vented which will help with firefighter safety and not building up contaminants in there. Fitness equipment that we've needed, we've done that. We bought a new ventilator. So now we have two of them for patient care or got some ultrasounds coming. We're developing a critical care paramedic program. Some of these tools are needed for that program. So we've got some ultrasounds coming training coming for that. We increase our training budget to help facilitate some of this training with wildland revenue. So that was one of the big reasons why there's no major purchases in our budget this year is because we've done very well with wildland revenue. Some of the other reasons we tend to do fairly well with grants, Last year, we got a grant from the Bureau of EMS that helped pay for some load systems. If you're not aware of them, they're basically an electric system that that lifts the cot for you to put the patient in the back, help prevent back injuries for firefighters. We got that from the Bureau of EMS last year. We just got this week another grant from the Utah fire we call it the wildland grant. It's the Utah firefighter assistance grant that's gonna help replace some of our wildland shelters for our wildland guys. So we do fairly well with grants. There is also a grant coming up for rural EMS that is looking promising to get some more things out of that. It's a $10,000,000 grant from the state and they're allocating $10,000,000 a year. And so we'll be applying for those things as well. That being said, the other big reason I haven't put anything in here is there's some big if you've read Justin's narrative, there's some big things coming on the horizon that the fire department's gonna need to look at. Our community's getting to the size that we can't handle it out of one station in one location. It's we need to spread out our response, lower our response times, increase our services. Fire stations are expensive. In that report right there, you know, $3.04, $5,000,000 for a fire station depending on the size, how many people are in it, what apparatuses you're keeping in there. They're big. These are this is something that we're gonna need to plan for. Now that doesn't just mean you guys, and I'm not just up here saying, hey, can I have a check? I'm doing my research too. There's the federal grants that are out there if they open back up. So the fire assistance grant is a big one. The AFT grant. Right now, everything's shut down. I talked about turnouts in here as well. We have a a grant that's still pending that we haven't even been notified of the outcome, whether we got it or didn't get it because of the shutdown and AFG just hasn't opened back up. As soon as they don't they do, we'll start exploring some of these options to help facilitate that, but it is something that's coming. Our ladder truck our ladder truck is a 2,001 ladder truck. It's a good truck. It's it's done us well, especially for what we paid for it. It passes its ladder inspect in inspection every year, but it is getting old and meeting NFPA regulations or trying to meet NFPA guidelines, it needs to be replaced. $2,500,000, $2,400,000 for a ladder truck is a big pill to swallow. So we've looked at other options. There's used the problem with used is you never know what you're going to get. You buy a ten year old truck for 1,000,000, 1,000,005 and it's only I mean, half its life is gone. So one of the other options that we've looked at, and there's a company out of Las Vegas that does it, is refurbishing it. And essentially, you take your truck down to them. They take the truck off the frame. They take every component off the frame. They redo it, replace the parts that need to be replaced, and rebuild that truck back up. It's significantly less. I think the quote we got was right around, well, it's right there, $880,000, which is a lot less than 2.4, 2.2. The other big thing is your three years minimum. If I ordered a ladder truck today, you'd be three years before you saw it. This, they can have done in less than a year. So lead times are better. So these are some of the bigger things that we're looking at that are going to be coming up. Our other engine is a 2,001. It's it's aging out. So command vehicles, brush truck replacement, I know those are big costs. There's ways around that. Trade in and only having to cover the cost of the difference between trade in and new cost, which is what we'd like to do. I like to have those trucks that are going to Texas, California, Nevada under warranty. If there's ever a problem, I don't have to worry about it. I just say, hey, go find a Ford dealer. They'll fix it and get it back on the road for us. So that's the direction we're headed with those. But these are some big projects that are coming that we're gonna have to address at some point in the very near future, even if it's a long term plan.

Jeremy, if I may add too, I think it's important to note that we just don't we're just not Smithfield. We share our department with other communities, which probably should be looked at sharing the cost of some of these equipment.

Absolutely. I mean, they're getting the use of the equipment. We have contracts with all these cities. We can always negotiate those contracts appropriately.

And just a couple of questions.

On both of

the the engines themselves, you know, you talk about a three year wait, you know, to be able to get those. What's the situation if you decide to do that? When do you have to pay versus when you actually When do you have to pay versus when you actually get the vehicle?

So that's bounced back and forth. So Pierce, which is one of the biggest dealers, was offering, like, prepayment incentives. So you pay up front and then they knock some of the price off. However, they're running into all kinds of problems. So right now, you put down a certain amount, a small amount of it, at least with peers. Some of the other ones may be different. You put down part of it and then you don't pay in full until the delivery date. Okay. Which also locks you into the price. So these you know, our engine right now is a 2,014, 300 and 10,000, $15,000 then. That same truck spec'd out identically would be 1.2. That's how much they've gone up in that short amount of time. They are offering that when you buy a truck, you'll lock in whatever prices right now. So regardless of what goes up,

you're not gonna pay a higher amount once you get in. You still have to make a down payment. Yeah. Yeah. You make a down payment. I'm not sure. I just wanted to make sure it was the full price. The key is is locking that price in so they don't, you know, they don't you you don't come your three year end of it and then they go, oh, by the way, it's today's price.

So many things, it's like 50 down before they'll start. Yeah. And that was kind of one of my Great. Then on the engine that in your statement in there, it says, get the truck back into client compliance with NFPA. Do we have one that isn't in compliance?

NFPA compliance is a guideline. Right. It's very hard for NFPA to come out and say, here's a hard line and you have to follow it. Because clearly, the use of ladder trucks gonna get in New York City is not gonna be the same as it is in Smithfield City. So they have a guideline. Their their guideline is twenty years on a ladder truck is it's expected life to be frontline. And then there's so many years as a reserve. If we remounted it, yes, this company does renew the NFPA compliance. So, they go through it completely. It would start out fresh with full twenty years. So, we're not necessarily out of compliance, but it's to bring it? It's just to meet that NFPA guideline. To meet that guideline? Okay. We do, just so everybody's aware, it is an old truck and all that. We do ladder test to every year. We have a company that comes out and certifies everything on it. The ground ladders, the aerial ladder, the hydraulics, the everything is certified on it. So it is a safe vehicle, but it is getting up there in years.

The last question I had is I I was just a little concerned that your budget was the only one that I saw fuel was actually estimated less than the previous year and on this one by 23%. Looking at what diesel's doing right the

diesel

shutdown. I don't think the diesel prices started jumping yet when we discussed this. But Across the board of council, that's one item. When we've been working on this the last three months, we working on this the last three months, we kinda went where we were currently at current prices. As we watch out the next two months, that's definitely one light item that either across the board is probably going to see an increase. Right. If depending on how things

hedge the next couple of months. But that is one line item across the board we are a little nervous about. I assumed that that would be the case, but it was just yours was the only one that I had actually seen a reduction. So I was wondering if we actually tend to beat our estimated fuel use each year that would give you some confidence to maybe drop that.

Hard to say, I know. It's Yeah. I'm not sure why it went went down.

With this 10,000,000 grant, what would you use it for?

I'm so you know, it's interesting. This is a brand new grant. The new director of EMS, he went to his staff. He's like, you know, there's only so many agencies because it's only for class three counties and lower for this counties and lower for this rural grant. He went to his staff. He's like, we really need to put out this spreadsheet because there is no way that the departments in this state can spend $10,000,000 a year for five years. So they put out a spreadsheet that was kind of a wish list for everybody, what they could use it on, what they'd like to use it on, blah blah blah. It's in the hundreds already of millions of people's wish lists. For us, I would look at it. I would probably put in for an ambulance because that's pretty standard. Load systems in the rest of our ambulances, we only have them in two right now, so the other three. Cardiac monitors, this is a five year grant. So by the end of that five year grant, we'll be at that expected life of our cardiac monitors, which is about ten years. So cardiac monitors will be on there. Right now, we only have five Lucas devices or four Lucas devices in our station. We have five ambulances. I'd like to have one on that fifth ambulance as well as in our fire engine that responds on first response calls. Ventilators for every apparatus, not every apparatus, every ambulance. There's no reason to have a vent on a fire engine. But so just some of this medical equipment that adds up over time is what I would focus on. And then some communication stuff, it's a big push now to be getting in vehicle, basically, star links on your apparatus. That way you never end up up one of these canyons without access to Internet service, which will help with, like, telehealth and that kind of stuff that we're pushing for with this grant.

The $10,000,000 is $10,000,000 for the whole state that everybody puts in for us. So we get a portion of that 10,000,000. So there'll be a a $10,000,000

pool Yeah. And then you'll apply for it Mhmm. And then they'll divvy it up based on your application and your narratives and your needs and all that good stuff.

Help me get a sense of talking about a potential future new building. You're talking about several new trucks. Like, what's the urgency on buildings versus trucks in terms of providing the service that you need if if you had to kind of go one way or the other and there wasn't funding for all of trucks and the building. I I just wanna get a sense of where where is the urgency or where is the priority in terms of your ability to provide service?

I mean, I think the urgency is gonna probably lie, in my opinion, on that building because the the quality of service providing to that all the areas that we serve is being jeopardized right this minute. The equipment, as it's aging, the risk is, you know, either catastrophic failures of something, you know, that's what happened with this last ambulance. We ended up losing a motor in the ambulance. Come to find out, a new motor for that is anywhere from 22,000 to $40,000. It's like, how can I just buy a motor? So big failures like that is what the risk is and the increased maintenance cost every year for running these older pieces of equipment. However the station would allow us to provide quicker better service right now.

Jeremy have you thought about where you would want that building to be located where we're serving multiple areas if you know down the road when that happens.

You know yeah. I mean, I've thought about it. There's also some data on it. I've got I don't know. You can call it a year end report. You can call it a budget report. You can call it a ten year plan. You can call it a capital improvement plan. It's called kind of in one that I'm working on. It's pretty close to being finished that I'll share with you guys once it is, that you can look through it. It's just got my goals for where we're going. But in there, it also has call volumes and response times to those areas. So when we broke our data down a few years ago, we split the city up into four quadrants. We split Hyde Park into two quadrants, east and west. And so now every time they go on a call, they have to select one of those. So now we can pull the data. There was this many calls in the Southeast quadrant, this many in the Southwest, this many. And so in that report, you'll see where our call volume is, as well as what as what the response times are on average to those areas. And that's the data I would use when I suggested where it should go. Yeah. Oh, that sounds great. So my guess without having those numbers right here and having exact, it's gonna be on that Southeast Side

somewhere. And and tell me, and maybe you're already doing this, I don't know. Or if it's been a thought, you know, with these brush trucks trying to replace them over time. Has there been any thought of where those get used a lot for the wildland fire stuff? Maybe, you know, tucking away a little bit each year from some of that that you get to help pay for those brush trucks since that's kind of what, you know, they're getting used for a lot? Sure. And in the past, we have done that

and you'll see in that that plan that was my plan going forward is using some of that revenue made on those wild lands to cover the cost difference between the trade in value of a truck and the value of the truck. You know, it used to be a little closer. The used market softened up a little bit. Although, new truck prices aren't going down anywhere. They're just I mean, when we really started this we were about 40 to $45,000 for an f five fifty four door. These f three fifty single cabs that we just purchased for these ambulances were 65,000. So nothing's getting cheaper. So that that gap might be a little bigger. But with the revenue being made off of island, I think we can keep all those brush trucks in a warranty window Yeah. Without any additional cost to the city right

now. Yeah. Sounds great. Thanks.

Good job.

Thank you, Jeremy. Thanks, Jude. Thank you. Awesome. Thanks. Thank you.

And we'll go to our friends with the library. No. No. That's great. You may not be friends after I talk to you. Oh, geez. Well, mayor, council, thank you for taking the time to hear what we're dealing with in all of our departments. I really appreciate the service that you're doing to our community and just the time you put in. I know it's a lot. So I'm gonna try to make it pretty brief. Looking at the golf courses budget up there when I saw it earlier, I thought, wow, my whole budget is contained within their wages for just the golf course and not the pro shop. So we, by far, have most modest budget probably that'll be discussed tonight. And it's relatively flat. I mean, with a few exceptions. We do have some exceptions, we do have some increases and I can discuss those very quickly. One thing is right at the top of the line items, we've got some increases in wages. Justin and I have been talking about trying to to bring up some of our part time people so that we have a little bit more competitive amount that we can pay people. The library does require a lot of training and, you know, we log all of that. We keep track of the webinars, the conferences, the things we're doing. Karen and I by far are doing the most hours of training, but my part time people do as well. So, you know, the idea is we do want to make sure that it is competitive just like the other departments have have done that. Moving on from that, we can see dues and subscriptions has jumped up considerably for next year. That's gonna pay for things like our Overdrive, which is the Libby provider that we use for e books, e audio books. Our cost is going up from a share of $16.62 that we were charged this last year based on the previous year's circulation up to $68.00 $9.86. So a big jump and part of that is a recalculation of how libraries in our statewide consortium are paying in and that's all the libraries with the exception of some of the bigger systems like Salt Lake County and Salt Lake City. Davis County is a part of the consortium. So that's a bigger system and we're all having to contribute more to the shared cost of those items being available to everybody in the state. Those items being available to everybody in the state. We opted to go with a 100% of our contribution, that $6,800 going to materials that everybody can use and supplementing that of our electronic media budget, which is has not changed since upcoming year and it probably will need to at some point because those costs keep cranking up. Online materials, there's a monopoly on the platform, Overdrive, and it does mean that cost just kinda keep going up. Part of that is our publishers, part of that is overdrive. I'm hoping that our overall contribution will stay stable at least for a couple of years, but we will purchase some materials on top of that overall contribution. So, you know, that's something that we want to eyeball and it's not a lot of money maybe in the grand scheme of things, but it's a jump for us. The other thing in do some subscriptions will be our cost for Koha, which is our new ILS. You guys have been very riveted and I'm sure with our weekly reports about the migration. We're hoping to start training in earnest by the end of this week or the first part of next week. We really will be paying almost an equivalent cost per year that we would have been with our old ILS because we were have to shift to cloud hosting that, which is gonna bump our price up. And the better we weed our collection and kind of bring our collection level down, the better cost we'll get for that. So we're in the process of working on that right now. But it's still relatively modest. We're talking about, I think, $2,400 tops depending on where we're at going in after the migration. So let's see. Programs. Programs, we've asked for an increase. It's not a lot, but we definitely have the numbers to back that up. In fiscal year twenty two, we had forty four hundred people at our programs. Now, of course, this is coming out of COVID, so that's something to keep in mind. But last year we had nine thousand nine hundred and sixty one people. So a pretty big bump over four years. And it could see us probably breaking the ten thousand mark this year. And it's hard because the fiscal year ends at the June. We're right in the middle of summer reading. So we'll see some of that reflected in this year's stats, some next year. But program attendance this spring has been up until just recently as the weather has gotten really super nice. So, you know, that's something that we have to think about. So, yeah, we've asked for a little bit more and another part of that is supplies for programs are costing more. When we're buying everything from snacks for some of the team programs to craft items, it's all costing more across the board. We're all dealing with that. Travel and training is one other thing we've talked about. It's not a big jump, but we're lucky that Smithfield is encouraging us to pursue training. Karen and I both are trained to keep going to our statewide conference ULA, Utah Library Association. That's in May every year, so right before the fiscal year ends. But we also are trying to build in money to go to the ARSL conference. That's the Association for Rural and Small Libraries. It is by far the most tailored bit of training that we can get for what we do at our scale for our small communities. I've been the last two years because I was able to get grants to help pay for that, but that's not an ongoing thing. So this will help pay for, you know, a couple of plane tickets, some lodging, and enable us to go to that national conference. This year it's in Montgomery, Alabama. Milwaukee will be next year's. So, we're trying to build in that expectation. The other big asks that we have and this is kind of the one big thing is, well, two big things. Furnishings, we see about $12,007.50. That would be costs for working on one more quadrant of the library with the carpet replacement.

We've done all of downstairs now. And really, we initially started with just the goal of getting the children to

department because the floor was so messed up that it was a safety issue that was repaired. We replaced carpet and we did the rest of the downstairs. The carpet, even in the new part of the building, it's not that old, but it's worn. And that has increased over the last few years as the program attendants and patron visits have gone up. There's more demand. So we're trying to get a better quality carpet to replace. So that would replace the upper west hand side of the library, the teen area at this point, down the hall where the paintings are. And then we would leave the old upstairs of the Carnegie part of the building for the next year, hopefully, to get it all complete. Doing this over, you know, a couple of fiscal years, I think is a reasonable way to try to to accomplish that. And minor equipment, we're looking at $4,000 That was what we budgeted this year. But this upcoming year, we do need to replace our copier, which we rely on very heavily in the library. We're doing all the flyers, printing things out for programs and of course using that to scan documents that I'm sending to Dustin. So this it's ours has reached the end its life. Last year, we're keeping it alive, but I can't see it continuing forever. So that's gonna be $35.70, I think, is the replacement cost for an equivalent model through Les Olsen. So, you know, reasonably modest. And other than that, I don't have any other big changes. Our collection budget, we didn't ask for a difference, but I do see that going up potentially in the near future. Your average hardback is now has passed the $30 mark. Of course, when we're ordering materials, we're getting a discount through our suppliers generally. Ingram, we get it up to a 40% discount depending on the publisher. So it's helpful, but those costs add up very quickly. And so I could definitely see that being something we need to account for maybe next year or the year after. But we're trying to do as much as we can with that amount every year. And I didn't this was not a part of our budget narrative and I'm this might be catching Justin off guard, but at our last library board board meeting, we did discuss the need for more meeting space and we just don't have it in the building we have. Now, we have a new building, new being sort of in, you know, in quotations because the extension of the library building was done over ten years ago. We're already seeing problems with the carpet, obviously, in that. But we don't have dedicated meeting space and we have increased demand for community groups to meet. We just started a support group for homeschool parents who are meeting at the library once a month. And I'm also hosting meetings for our Northern Cash Cares Coalition, which is an anti substance abuse coalition that's working through Bear River Health. And I'm just willing I can't do a lot of work for that coalition at the moment, but I do feel like I can host meetings. So we do those before we open, but we don't have a conference room. We don't have any dedicated meeting rooms that are sort of cut off from general traffic in the library. So if we try to do anything during the day for a community group, they're gonna be interrupted by kids coming in and out of the space. And so if you go to the Logan Library, the new building, or the North Logan Library that's in process right now, Dedicated meeting spaces is at the core of that because libraries are initially or most people think of them as the place where the books are, which is part of what we do. But meeting community needs and becoming a hub for that community activity is increasingly more and more of what we do. So we do want to think about that in the future, potentially trying to meet that need now in the square footage we have. I don't know, but I know that with all the needs you're hearing about and all the departments, like, we may be very low on the list, but it might be something to start planning for and thinking about. So again, not something I want to bring to you now other than to have in the back of your mind somewhere. So I don't know if we have any questions. I tried to make that quick.

At the bottom of your list, you have a loan agent fee. What does that mean? That is

a fee for the financing for the new part of the business. So all of our bonds,

that's the Zions Bank that administers those. And that's why you see one like in the admin department, you see one in the library. That's their yearly fee to oversee our loans. So second that payment goes away, that goes away. Yeah. Makes sense. Thanks.

Curious. What's your thoughts? It's been interesting watching the usage of the library go up in terms of the number of patrons, the number of people checking out the number of books checked out, the usage of Overdrive, the usage for the all the programs. At what point and and we're not not even talking about the public meeting space which you just acknowledged is a is a need. But in terms of that kind of regular traffic for the patrons, where where is the library at in terms of kind of capacity? Are we right kind of like the rec center right at the limits right now or are we we have five, six years before we really are starting to feel it. What's your feel of that, Sean? It kinda depends on the segment of the population we're talking about. So kids programming,

we're there. We're turning people away. As a matter of fact, we added a new story time session each week because there was such a demand for one of Karen's story times that we had to just have an extra session. Now we've experimented with that a couple of different ways over the last few years. But as it is right now, most of the story times, especially in the winter time when there's no parks, you know, and the weather's cold, we're just we're hitting capacity for some of those. And that's 50 people in our program area down in the children's department, that's parents and kids. So we're hitting it. But for teen programs, we have room to grow a bit. Adult programs, definitely the same thing. But, you know, last night we did an event, Darren Perry came to speak at the library and we weren't sure like what's the crowd going to be. His last time talking to the library a few years ago, huge turnout and we didn't have enough chairs, we didn't have those. But as it is now, even if we tried to plan for bigger events like that, we don't have storage space for those kinds of things. And we definitely are overflowing into right up into the bookshelves, you know, for that. So, you know, for programming, it really does depend, I think, for kids programming, though, we're gonna have to be creative and we're gonna have to maybe just even add more times where families can bring the kids to those things. Some of our STEM programs in the summer, we're able to go outside and we are currently getting some bids for using our Carnegie gift for a shade for a patio just to try to take some of those things outside of the building during the warm months. So, you know, we're always cognizant of what's coming and with the growth in the city, which we all know about and does include a lot of young families, we always have to think about what's that what's that gonna look like in five years or two years or ten years. So I wish I could give you a better

definite answer, but it does depend on Well, nobody's got a better sense of it than you do. So that's we appreciate your your view on it and love seeing all the offerings and the programs and the the increased usage is just a a hallmark of

the value that the the citizens are seeing right there. So And we definitely been putting a lot of work into that and building that sense of community, inviting the public in and trying to do the promotion outreach. At a certain point, we have to ask ourselves if that's sustainable. So space will be a big issue before lack of demand will be an issue for sure.

What would you say are the most popular programs that you have running right now?

Well, definitely children's programming. Miss Karen is an absolute icon and you know those story times for the younger readers. Readers. We've also had really stable numbers for things like our elementary book clubs. We have two of those. Karen does one for the first through third grade and our team librarian Jesse does fourth through sixth graders. And that's a good turnout every month. We do those monthly. It's awesome. Our team programming, our D and D group has been stable for years. We're getting 15 to 20 kids every single Wednesday year in, year out through the summer. So those things that's established are as far as adult programs go, stitch and stories, Michelle will read a story while her core group of ladies do, you know, knitting, crocheting, other kinds of handwork and that is a weekly program and We're getting 15 to 20 people every single Thursday. So these things are like good stable things and then we have one offs and those can be inconsistent, but they've been on the the up. We've had a couple challenges. We we kind of overbooked programming in March thinking it would be a regular March and it would be cold and people would come inside. It hasn't been quite like that exactly. But we did a a seed starting workshop two weekends ago. We had 25 people on a Saturday morning, which is kind of unheard of. So these numbers seem modest compared to like those greens fees and everything. Right? But, for us, it's a huge increase. So, we are definitely trying to do everything we can with every dollar. So, I hope that answered your question, Chris. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Any others? Thank you, Sean. Yes. Thank you so much. I really appreciate you guys and appreciate everything you do for the city.

Alright. Mayor, council, it's good to be here. Let's talk cop shop. K? A few of our increases or budget highlights I wanna touch on this year is you'll notice an increase in police supplies at 06:10. It's 4,100. We're gonna start working towards equipping all the patrol trucks with stop sticks or spikes, however you wanna call them. Currently, we have one set and it sits in the garage of the police department, so it's not real handy if we have a pursuit that comes through town. Generally, if we can have them in the vehicles, then we can stop them before they come into the town. So that's kind of our goal there is to just start equipping all the patrol trucks with that tool. Also, if you go to six eleven, which is our weaponry supplies, there's a $5,000 increase there. Our TASERS right now are at their end of life. They're they don't even make them anymore. And so we're looking to start rotating. We have some good ones still, but we're starting to rotate our old ones out to axons. They're the TASER seven, which is an older gen of TASER, but it's new for us. It's just they're TASER tens are so much money. The seven seem the most practical thing to start moving to at this point. That's really it as far as, like, tools and, supplies that we're looking for. One of the things I wanna touch on right now is, like, vehicle replacement. So this year, we're looking at replacing our 2019 Dodge Durango. We got it in 2018. The investigator drives it. It's an unmarked Durango. We're looking at rotating that back into just a fleet vehicle. We had it there at one point, but, had to bring it back out because we got rid of our Toyota Tundras. So we're looking at rotating that out this year. Speaking of vehicle leases or vehicles in general, what you guys need to be be aware of is, we own half of our fleet. The other half, we lease through Bancorp. I I don't mind the leasing program, but I understand that there's a understand that there's a cost associated with that. And, I know we'd like to, at some point, own all of our vehicles, and then get them in a rotation program. So me and, you know, Justin have been working on implementing a rotation for all of our police vehicles, but also at the same time trying to figure out what we wanna do because we have seven leases. We have six leases coming due in September '27 and one lease in January '28. So we're gonna have seven vehicles we have to replace in the next, you know, year and a half. And so we're looking at options as far as, you know, buying a few of those out, maybe doing some sort of hybrid lease program where we don't have to necessarily buy seven vehicles right off the bat. That's just something that I want you guys to have on your radar. Understand that these vehicles, you know, five years for a police vehicle or any first responder vehicle is kind of at its end of life, but we still can get enough money out of them to, you know, put it back into our vehicle program. So it's not such a big hit, but I wanted you guys to be aware of that. We're also looking at we have one open position right now. When Gary Buntz retired as a lieutenant it's almost been two years ago. We never filled his spot. We're looking at refilling the lieutenant's spot with his open position. We got the money in our budget. We just feel like it would be nice to have that leadership structure in place in the police department moving forward. So that's one of the things we're gonna try and do this year. And then wages. I feel like our wage wars are starting to slow down. I got I sent you guys a lot of information on where we're at, comparisons as far as some neighboring agencies, neighboring county agencies, just so you guys have an idea. That is what my biggest priority is moving forward is just get me in the ballpark so that when we get these good people, we're not losing them. And the sad thing is is we have a really good crew now. I would hate to lose them because they can go anywhere and make $10 more a year at a neighboring agency. And that's a hard pill to swallow, and we take the time to outfit them and train them. And there's a cost to outfit, and there's a cost on the back end when we lose them and the time and energy and money that's put into training these guys. And so that will always be one of my, you know, big issues is to try to stay you know, keep up. But like I said, I feel like it's starting to slow down. It's not as crazy as it was a couple of years ago, but we haven't done or I haven't done a good enough job of keeping up with, you know, our neighboring agencies. And so I feel like that's hurt us. And so that's one of my priorities. And that's really I all I have for the police department.

So what you're trying to do this year is you want to get your lieutenant out of this before, what, May? In this fiscal year. Yeah. Yeah. So you get that at fiscal year and then we'll continue with the next. Real quick, the stop sticks, how much were they a piece?

They were I have it written down right here. They're $488 a set, so that gives me roughly eight sets. And then I'll have nine with the one I have. And the tasers, how much are they apiece? 2,500 apiece. 2,500 apiece? Mhmm. And how many would you need? So I'm gonna start with three this year and just try to rotate three through every year. Because like I said, we still have good tasers, but they're they're end of life with Axon. They're just not building them anymore. Sure.

So basically, just get a replacement going program for the service. Every year you do three. Right? Yep. Good job. I think I think Lieutenant's a smart deal. I mean, I think that everybody needs a good second in command. Right. I agree.

And the building is paid off. Building is paid off. Thank you for that. Awesome. I'm so happy about that. Yep. That's that's awesome.

I appreciate you bringing up the the wage issue because that's never easy Right. To be able to do. But as you look at that, it becomes so clear in that we do not want to constantly be the training center Right. For everybody else. We want, you know,

we want just like everybody else to to pay them good enough that they don't want to leave. You know? Right. And and like I said, I feel like we have a really good crew here, and I don't wanna lose them. So I'll do what I can to try to Yeah. Keep our good ones because I mean, I hate to say this, but the police department's a high liability department. Yeah. And I don't wanna say we're gonna get what we pay for. But if we're the lowest in the Valley and I have no incentives to bring people out here, I you can only imagine what kind of applicants we sometimes see.

Well, the cost you spend in training new officers and equipment new officers, you can easily put into wages if you can keep them. Yeah. Absolutely. It's about it's about $3,000

to outfit a new officer by the time you know, the vests are $1,600 just for a vest. And then you have another thousand in uniforms and, you know, duty gear and boots and all that. And so it adds up. And so there's definitely a cost. And there's also the training end of it too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Especially if we have put them through post, things like that and then lose Yeah. For sure. Opportunity on that. I did notice that there was a pretty big increase. Was there something that happened with Spillman that No. So we did a mid year increase with Spillman. But we've also signed a new contract. So Motorola has bought out Spillman. They've gone to subscription based, and so that upped our cost about 25%. So we'll see that cost, you know, moving forward.

Gotcha.

Great. But that also covers our Lexapol, which is all of our policy, and it covers, Logan City spill and maintenance, you know, for their our people.

I see a line item here that wasn't in fiscal year twenty six called professional services for $5,000.

Yes. So that we've I don't know why it was zeroed before. We usually tried to keep 3,000. So that's our attorneys. Okay. So if we ever have any issues or we have to get attorneys involved, that comes out of that line item. Great.

Talk to us about the mental health services. Why is that no longer on the fiscal year budget for next year? Because now we've we've got Blomquist Hell. We also have mental health services through the Cash County attorneys office. To what the city are in Yes. Office. I love that. Okay. It's included in the benefit line

item. That's great. Perfect. Rather than which is yeah. I was gonna ask if that was I assumed. I just wanted to make sure it was Part of my benefit went up. That's great.

Love that. How many officers do you see taking advantage of that?

That, I don't know. I know there's some. I just don't know how many. Okay. And Blanca's Hill doesn't tell us. They tell us, we had x amount of employees with Smithfield City. So Yeah.

What are your thoughts about staggering, like, as we look at new vehicles keeping so we don't have seven come all duo Yeah. And so

we we leased the Durangos. And so when we went from, you know, seven Durangos, it was really easy to just go to seven f one fifties. The problem is is if we wanna start owning our own fleet, we have to pay the piper at some point. So what we're looking at is we'd have a vehicle rotation program where we'd be looking at selling and purchasing three vehicles year. With an administration vehicle, which is my vehicle or the detective's vehicle, the unmarked ones, they'd be, like, every five years.

Still get as much wear and tear

you know, twelve year or twelve thirty six months or why am I messing this up, Justin? Three years thirty six. Three years 36,000 miles, and then they're, like, powertrain is five years 60,000 or five year 100,000. I did find out this week, though, that you can buy extended warranties on these vehicles, bumper to bumpers. So they would go five year 100,000. Thousand. That might be something worth looking into if we wanna do a five year rotation. Otherwise, I'd push for a three year or four year rotation just because I hate to say it, but every once in a while, you do get a lemon. We have a brand new f one fifty. I've had to put two transmissions in. I mean, it happens. And so luckily, that's been covered under that drive train warranty, so it hasn't cost us anything. But once we get outside of that window, then we're on the hook for it. How much is an extended warranty? I that I don't know. I was just told yesterday that they offer them. I'd be interested to see how much I wanted it I wanna say you said it was, like, $3,000, which Oh, okay. Would be worth it. And so Yeah. I would assume with the stop sticks that those aren't a warranty replacement when you wind up using them. You Yeah. When you use them, you you chuck them. What's nice though is there's no real expiration date on them. They they stay good for years and years. So That's great. It's like a one time cost until you use it.

Back on the trucks and everything where your officers spend so much time in them, it's almost

lack of better words. It's the price of doing business of being in the police department to have good trucks to respond in. Otherwise, it's a liability if you don't. Right. And it is. And, you know, generally, our trucks have low miles Right. Considering. But then you look at engine idle hours, and that's where we're getting killed is Yep. They're running a lot. They might not be putting a lot of, like, driving miles, but their idle time is. Well, isn't it equate so much so much time idle equals out the x amount of miles? Yeah. It used to be one hour of idle time was roughly 29 miles. I don't know if that's changed, but that's kind of my rule of thumb that I've always gone off of. And so, like, we rotated here's a good example. We had a a Silverado that had 69,000 miles on it, and it blew a motor. The problem was is it had 8,000 idle hours. So, I mean, it almost had 300,000 miles on the truck.

So How are you in terms of, like, sidearms

fire, you know, rifles? We've done really good. So we did our, handgun replacements. We did two, three years ago. I try to rotate those every eight to ten years, and then we replaced all of our rifles last year. So we're really good as far as, like, the tools that we need, and that's why I'm starting to look at, you know, the tasers. Our shotguns are all pretty new because we use those as a less lethal option. We've you guys, we've done a really good job of equipping our officers and maintaining it. Now we're kinda to the point though where start we have to start rotating and thinking about rotating.

Do you think there's a need for any, like, secondary weapon system like a baton or ASP or

everybody well, everybody has the option to carry an ASP if they'd like. Some do. Some don't. I encourage them to have it because, I mean, it's just another tool. I mean, you have your less lethal shotgun. You have your taser. You might as well have your ASP and your, you know, sidearm. Like, the more tools, the better. Yeah.

So, chief, what what besides you know trying to keep officers here with with pay. What would you say would be the next most important thing that that a challenge that you would try to work on or that you know you see as a problem?

Or Besides pay, because that will obviously be number one. I just want us to be able to grow with the growth of the city. I mean, the old FBI standard, which is an old standard, is one officer per thousand people. I mean, we don't need to hold ourselves to that, but it'd be nice to at least have something a guide. Yeah. I mean, so as we grow, I feel like, and it's not just police department. I think all the departments have to grow with the growth. And I think you guys understand that too. So that would be one of my goals too is to maintain that so we can still perform at the level of service that the people need. I feel like right now, we're doing good. Our response times, I feel like, are good. I mean, right now, we have, you know, 14 full time officers, and they're responding to 4,000 plus calls for service a year. So there's a need.

As that grows, do you what do you think is the next natural progression for the police department, you know, in in service like that?

Well, the next I mean, for me, what I'd like to see is I'd like to see growth in, like, specialty assignments and whether that's I mean, we have enough traffic here. You could certainly warrant a motor. We have enough going on here that you could probably get maybe not necessarily a a a drug dog, but some sort of canine, which would be a drug dog, could be emotional, could be a lot of useful things. SROs would be good. And I don't know if Chad would ever consider letting us take schools, but, I mean, just assignments would be nice. At one point, we had guys on the SWAT team, but that kinda went away. So if I could help offer these, you know, our employees some additional, you know, assignments that they could take on and have some investment in the police department, I think that helps too. That'd be fantastic.

I I mean, how cool would it be to have a motorcade for Smith? Well, if we have a motor, I'm riding it. So

I hear you're gonna you're gonna be fighting Justin Bennett for the ride. I'll be fighting all of them for it. But, you know, they're such a good PR tool, but they're also great for traffic enforcement. Right? Like For AIDS. Yeah. Yep. Quick response. Yeah. Yep. So we have bikes. I'll be on a bike for the Easter egg hunt. So if you wanna see this and a pair of spandex, like, we have things, but we just don't have people certified in those things yet. So I'd like to start working towards more specialty assignments. I can't always guarantee upward mobility. Like, we just Right. We have a fairly young command staff and Yeah. But if there's other options that we could offer, that'd be nice. That's that's smart. Keeps them interested and keeps them

not doing the mundane thing. Right. And it's like,

money's a thing, but if you love where you work and you've got some investment and some buy in, like Yep. That's why I say if I can get in the ballpark and we can do other things, we're not necessarily hopefully losing people.

Multiple people with with their own particular niche. It really makes a difference. That's why I love that. Absolutely. Yeah. I love that too. That that that's what keeps people, I think, is having an interest in in some of the things that they're doing. Right. If they can't have as much pay, but they're they're excited about their job. Yeah. Sometimes pay isn't always everything. Absolutely. But loving their job is is a huge thing. Yep. I agree. Yeah.

Will do. And last but not least, the one with the most department for coverage of all. Yeah. Alright. Here we go. The big denial stands out. Oh, we haven't already.

Well, good evening, mayor and council. Thanks for taking the time and listen to all of our budgets. I'm gonna start out with some of the projects. I wanna kinda do this, coming budget year, and move into some equipment and some other things that we're going to need in the future. One of the the water projects we wanna do is just upsize an inch and a half mainline to a one inch main on 400 West, 400 North or 4th West, 400 North to 4th South. Just way undersized line, an inch and a half, I mean, it needs to be an eight inch line. Yeah. Another one is upsizing a a mainline from a five inch to an eight inch on 200 West from 100 North to Center Street. We just had that big leak under the highway you see in there. It's an old five inch steel line that rotted out several different times right there in that intersection. It was a nightmare to replace. It's all the way down that. We just wanna continue that to the south under the creek there. You kinda wanted to talk about the the other big, big projects there, but I'll yeah. So the asphalt driveway to the booster station on 400 North. If you guys had noticed out there on 400 North and 300 East, we put that little building that's gonna building that's gonna be able to boost the the zone five. It'll move it up to zone three and four. That's how it goes. Clay? We've talked about this, baby. I don't know any. Okay.

Any oh, shoot.

We've we talk about the zones different. Up next, Clay. Yeah. We'll talk about zone one, two, and three, and four, five, and then we'll go backwards. Yeah. Anyhow, yeah, we have to boost it from this lower zone where we have two great wells down in this lower zone to the upper zones. So we'll be able to move water. We've had issues with our one well side up on the east bench there, and the fire department's had to help us boost water to those zones. So that'll take that out of the equation. I mean, we'll be able to move water into several different zones once that's up and going. It it should be fired up here in the next couple months. We've put seen all the parts rolling in. I just talked to the SCADA guy with all of our VFDs. It's gonna be rolling in. Piping pumps start showing up. So yeah. So So, basically, you you can shift water to the demand that you need to have with the pressure. Is that right? Correct. Or in areas that need the water or they're struggling. You know, if we lost that well up on that upper East side and then we only are feeding by springs, we can't we can't sustain. So we have to move water up there. So that and it's happened several different times where that wells went down for numerous different reasons. We just put a new motor on it just a couple weeks ago. So and it's up and running good. So Will that be an automatic thing? Like, if the pressure reduces, that it automatically

turns the pump on to shove them into demand?

Yes. It is. It'll be gallons per minute in that area with that booster station. So but, yeah. Awesome. But we need to put a new driveway up there to finish the project. That's one of the projects we wanna do there. Another little project we wanna do is over the softball, you've probably seen that all tore up from the irrigation system. That asphalt drive, it goes back to the tower. Just redoing it with the the rest of the project. So did you wanna talk about those others? I'll deal with those in the middle. Okay. Then we'll move on to some equipment. So at the cemetery, we're looking for a new grasshopper lawnmower. It has a single wheel. It's a little narrower. We can get in between the grave sites. We also have an attachment for the one we have right now that we can aerate to. We typically have one mower down up there at all times needing repairs. And in the summer months, we hope for rainy days to fix them. It'd just be adding to the fleet so we can keep on top of the mowing. In the parks department, these are a couple things that we have we have an aerator, but this one has a lot more a lot more knives. But with the aerator that we're looking to get, the top dresser comes hand in hand. It'll be able we'll be able to aerate and then come back through with a top dresser to help the soil conditions, help compaction, help watering. I mean, this help leveling the fields because then we can drag it after we top dress it. Just stuff what we haven't done down there that we really need to start doing. Those are two of the things in that parts department. How often will they be used once a season? Or Oh, no. Yeah. That's gonna be quite a quite often because it's it's gonna be a huge project to start top dressing. And it's a lot of time, but, you know, it's gonna be several times throughout the season. I mean, anytime that we have a little bit of downtime, we're jumping on the top dresser and aerator. So the tow behind blower, we could use that for multiple, multiple things from the parks being able to blow off the heavy grass clippings to when we go out and do a crack seal, we can tow behind and blow the road, clean the road off, clean trails. We have one up at the cemetery that's getting pretty wore out that we're gonna be looking at replacing in the future, but that gets used daily. And we would probably use our blower daily, the tow blind blower down in public works and the parts department. We're also gonna get a grader blade for our skidster. We used to have an old, old grader that we would shoulder roads and do trails and level areas out. It was too big for and we got a a newer Skidster that this would be, this will be awesome for that machine. So, we're looking to get one of those to our fleet. One of the big ones this year is, our road sweeper. We bought one, it would probably be 2020, 2018. It was a couple years old. I think it was a smooth salesman that sold it to us. It doesn't go very fast. You know where we have to dump is out north of the Park Parsons old batch plant out there on the North end. We have to drive it up there. It only does, like, 30 miles an hour. So we have to jump out on the highway, try to stay off the highway. But if you're clear on the south end, it's yeah. And then it's undersized for us. It's European made, so we are struggling for parts. When that thing goes down, it's down for months. We gotta take it to a mechanic, and then we're trying to find parts or we're trying to repair it. We've need to go back to something that's more reliable, it's bigger, that's we can get a lot more done with. It is a very big ticket item there, though. And then we looked at Train It In. We paid a couple $100,000 for that thing in dollars for that thing in 2018, 2020. No one wants it. They said $20,000 for it, so we're gonna have to keep it in the fleet as and be able to use it. And it's great for parking lots, smaller areas, but it's something that we need to move to a little bit better machine. Because we we probably had that thing down last year for three months of the year when we could have been out sweeping the roads. And Another item, replacing our John Deere tractor. That's a 1995. We've recently put in, oh, probably about $11,000 in that machine trying to keep it running, transmission work, motor work, hydraulic work. We're still putting money into it. It's just wore out, and it's undersized for some of the stuff that we need to use it for as far as, like, you know, doing our aeration and and, our seeding. And we have a a deep tiner that and, it's a little heavier. We have, that we got from the golf course, a seater that it struggles to run, so it's a little little undersized. Another thing we're looking to replace is our 2016 Chevy that we use in the that's got a a utility bed on it. It's a diesel. It's got the dev system. We are constantly I don't know if it's just the older ones because we have a couple older diesels that we're constantly having to take it to the shop, get stuff fixed on it. We're wanting to move away from having diesels because when you just run a diesel truck with Dev from one end of the town to the other and shut it back off, it never has the time to regen. The newer ones do a little bit better as you sit there and let them idle, but the older ones, I have to if we wanna keep that thing around, I have to send guys, go drive it. We've just had to do quite a bit of work too in the last little bit with front end work and injectors, and it just seems like it's constantly being in the shop. We're also, we're looking to replace the old Ram that we got from the police.

For free. For free.

It's we basically drove it to public works and then something

ass is.

It is what it is.

Yeah. It's it's been it's been setting for probably the past What do you think? Four months. We haven't touched it for five months just because as soon as we jump in it, something goes wrong. A Toro Workman. I don't know if you guys know what a Toro Workman. It's like a little tiny dump truck looking thing that's that we run around the parks. The golf course has a few of them. We have one that's really old, 1998, that no longer can get parts for it. Mhmm. They've discontinued a lot of parts for it, but it's really handy because it has a higher payload for if we're out there doing water leak repairs, it then we can use it to tow some of our other equipment. It's got the dump bed on it. Yeah. It's they're really handy piece of equipment. The one we've have, we just been trying to keep it alive. Now we're just trying to buy car parts to try to keep it running and because Toro's discontinued all the parts for it. Another pretty big ticket item on there that we're looking to get that we've never had is a sewer camera. A sewer camera would be handy. You know, when we have a sewer backup, we'll go run the jitter down it, and we'll pull through whatever's there, but we don't know what caused that backup. Was it collapse in the pipe? Was what was the issue? We've never had the capability. If we want any cameraing done, we've always hired it through a through part third party company, for all of our sewer jetting and cam ring that we do one fifth of the city every year. This would be something that we could start doing some of the cam ring in the wintertime. We can keep a closer eye on our sewer system. We can use it for miscellaneous reasons why our roads settle in if it's something to do with the sewer system instead of having to call a company to come out and help us do that. I think it's just I mean, most cities have them. And they have a serial camera on staff, but it's something that we're just looking to get and

Is that truck a combination camera and blaster?

No. Or are still separate? Two still Oh. Yeah. This is a completely separate piece of equipment. I it's not in a van system that we I think it'd be nice to have. So it's something that we'd want to get for a few years and years and just trying to move that direction. This is something that we need to get. What kind of expense do you have incurred when you rent or you hire someone to do? So one fifth of the cities, roughly, just for the Cammering part of it, it's $30.30 to 50,000 a year for just the Cammering side of it. When they come in and do the jetting, it totals, like, what, $1.20 play for both. We can probably still have them do the jetting at this point in time, but for the the cam ring, we would if we got the camera for other reasons such as emergencies and everything else, we might as well use it to just do our own Camry. And then we could kinda put the the Jenner truck in areas that need it more than just in certain areas. You know, we could we could say this section it in this one area.

We would actually be reducing the sewer cleaning line item from one twenty to 80 if if this equipment is bought.

Some of the future things that we wanted Well, I guess, we wanna talk about So, the Mini X last year, we talked about trading it in, and we're looking to do it again because it still got some pretty decent value. I know last year, we talked about it was kind of a low I still think it's something that we need to look to replace because it's a pretty vital piece of equipment. I mean, it's out there doing burials. We're doing we've done two this week. We're I mean, it's and then we use it for other areas and, areas and, you know, out on the parks where we don't wanna take a backhoe out there to do a water leak. We use it in areas where we can't get a backhoe in to do some emergency water leaks. It's getting some age, but I'd I'd like to rotate through this equipment to keep it in a warranty state to reduce the risk of a a a major breakdown before it happens, why it's still worth something we can get some trade in. I know with, like, our idle hour like, our our hours on our equipment usually stay fairly low because my guys, they'll roll up on a job, jump out, shut the piece of equipment off, do the work, jump back in, start back up, whereas a lot of other companies will just leave them running. You know? It's they just got in that habit. But I still think it's something where it's ten years old that it's still worth you know, they're looking to give us $38,000 trade in. We have one. Yes. We have one. One only. If that thing goes down in the middle of a burial. If we were to go get our backhoe in there, we have to move several different headstones or call grounds to come move the headstones. Typically, we only get about three to a week notification if we're gonna have a burial. So it's it's something that is pretty useful. Just wanna look about replacing it, keeping it in warranty. I mean, if we don't keep it in a warranty state, I mean, we have a breakdown. I gotta figure out how to get either a mobile mechanic out there or try to transport it to a mechanic with a lot of our large equipment. I mean, that's I wanna keep trying to rotate through a lot of our equipment. That's why one of the next items is the our 2021 John Deere backhoe. It's got low hours, but I I do extended warranties on them, five year extended warranties. We've been doing this for the past quite a while now, where we'll run them out for five years and then trade them in, because they're still worth quite a bit of money at that point, and it's it's staying in warranty. And, you know, if I have issue with my dev system or something, they run out, fix it, we keep going. So I on our back house, we do five year rotations. I mean, that's something that we use daily. Daily, we'll use in our back house for water or, I mean, for plowing, for for water leaks, for sidewalk repairs. I mean, I've got three backhoes out running every day right now on sidewalk repairs. So

I don't wanna put you on the spot here, but we talked a few weeks ago about plot plots in the cemetery. Mhmm. Is this Mini X capable of doing stacked lots, stock stacked plots? And I don't know why I asked is, could this facilitate that potentially? And and if not, what what would we need to do? Still have a mini x? Do they have as an extended reach boom or anything like that? But Yeah. So you're talking you're talking

eight foot plot and then only doing two four footers. Right? Stacked on top of each other. Two on top. Oh, two depth wise? Yeah. So when we've looked Oh. Yeah. So when we've looked at that, I actually talked to Josh. We're gonna talk about this at on April 8. We're gonna have we really can't go too deep. Okay. The reason we can't is because the the surrounding plots like, we have really crappy soil in the cemetery. That's a nice way to put it. And they're going to collapse. No. I would And we can't have other vaults falling. And there's I just didn't wanna buy something and then need to change. That's the only reason I'm asking. But, yeah, that's just so you're aware, yeah, we we would have a collapsing problem that we can't get around in the vast majority of the grounds when we talked about that. And we will be talking about that more further on April on the April council meeting. Yeah. And copies just get too deep too deep and then put a trench box in there, you're oversizing, and then you're into the old the other graves next to you.

Yeah. It would be capable of it. Yeah. I think the one right now could could go too deep. I mean, you're you're roughly you're gonna be 10 feet deep. I mean, but you're re that was the one we have now, you're literally reaching straight down, which the new one would do the same thing. Okay.

Thank you.

Any any other questions? I mean, I kinda burned through all that pretty quick.

One other question I have on here, it talks about a half ton truck replace replacing the Duramax. Mhmm. Do you do you have a need for a three quarter ton or one ton truck that a half ton would work for?

No. We have enough one ton Heavy duty. Five fifties that we could just we could use half tons a lot more. Supplement it with a lighter. Yeah. I mean, this one would it'd go into the park system, and that's where they use this one right now. And so it's just running from park to park with some fittings and tools to repair things. So, no, I don't think we need to move into any more three quarter ton, one tons because I think we have quite a few down there.

I had a question on the on the John Deere tractor because it indicated there's a loader on that. Yeah. Is the loader in such shape or is there too big of a span between the 1995 and current that you would be able to repurpose

the loader on a new tractor, or would it be a requirement for both? Yeah. It's it's too old. It wouldn't it wouldn't switch over. And that's we have a lot of issues with that loader and how you get connected anyways. Right now, we've been down there re rams, all the hoses on it. It's yeah. We still already have a lot of issues with it, but, yeah, it's Gotcha. Pretty old. It wouldn't interchange. Any other questions on some of that equipment? I'm just wondering in terms of personnel,

both in terms of the number of people you've got on your cruise, are you being able to keep up with the demand for work and services? And number two, in terms of salaries, are you able to keep the good people here that you wanna keep here?

Yeah. I think so. As long as we get enough good seasonals, which we're going through the process of that right now. But yeah. We have an opening right now. We had one of our guys leave. It was a good hand. Now we're in the process of hiring a new one. But I think as far as wages, I think you guys and Justin's done very well of helping us out with wages down there. And, I think some of the guys just wanna leave for, better opportunities. I mean, they're always out there. But as far as personnel staff, I think we're good. I think in real short time, we're gonna have to be start adding more, though, just because of state implications that we're gonna have to do and and more water leaks that we're having. Our infrastructure's just getting older. It's we're wanting to do more with the parks and bring them back up to where we think they should be. And in time, yeah, I think we're gonna have to look at some more staff, I think, real soon. But right now, I think we're handling it. So. Okay.

Great. Were we able to save a significant amount of money due to the dryness of this winter, as far as plow and that kind of things?

Yes. Yeah. Fuel, wear and tear, salt. I didn't go through near as much salt. I was I I have to sign a contract with, Compass, Materials that we get our white salt, and they make me sign a contract for a certain amount of tonnage, and I have to stuffed our bays as check full as we could. That's awesome. But we hit that 80%. So but our bays down there is good for next year. Perfect. So, yes, we saved quite a bit of money on that. Good.

How are we doing in terms of buildings? Storage for all this equipments and supplies and workshops? Where you at there? Are we starting to kind of push at the seams a little bit? Oh,

we're and we're over the seams. Seems we're way behind you. Right? Yeah. We we keep that's one of the things we wanna talk about is one of the adding a a storage bay. I mean, we have we have 600,000 of machinery that's set outside under tarps because we don't have places to put it. So we really need to add some more storage down there for sure. We did look at a cost of 11 bay storage down there. It was, like, right around $400,000. So it is something that we really need to look to in the next year or two because we just all of our machinery, we can't stuff inside. We're throwing tarps on it. We're using the civic center bays, all those bays back there, everywhere we can put stuff. So

So are you kind of wanting a single large storage facility? Is that a a kind of a a big warehouse barn kind of operation? Or are you looking at multiple smaller units in different locations? So it's closer to parks or,

My ultimate dream would be one giant one, like, I don't know if you ever looked at the Cache County Public Works down there in Hiram area. I think that's something that be the ultimate package, but I don't know that we could ever get there. So we just kinda have to add where we can add down at where where we're at right now. I don't know. It'd be a huge expense. And I don't know how we would operate, why it would be happening too. So because it probably have to be in the same location. So but that is something that we need to look forward to is just adding some storage areas. I buildings, I think they're large enough to handle some if we're doing some repairs in there, because we do most of the repairs we can in the wintertime. Some of this stuff's just we have to send off. We have to take places like international. We have to take all the way down to Far West because they're the closest dealer that can work on stuff. So but we try to do as many repairs as we can and servicing at our own facilities. So we just need storage areas.

I noticed you brought in some shipping containers Yep. In there to I'm I'm assuming stuff things in there and store it and keep it out of the weather. Right? Yeah. So we keep all of our garbage cans in the one so they don't freeze together.

We keep fertilizer and a couple other small piece of equipment in the other one. And then the other one, you know, the other piece of equipment, they're just under tarps that are a little too big to put other places. So but, yeah, we we're trying to figure it out down there. But, yeah, we are we've bursted at the seams a while ago. Well, I'd really be interested in to see what your next best recommendation is. Like,

specifically, what size of building, where where you would want to put that. Like, obviously, we know we all wanna be reasonable about expenditures. But what what's really the next needed, you know, storage or warehouse building that you guys need down there and what would you propose that to be? I'd love to see that from you when when you have a chance. Yeah. Yeah. I can look through it, but I'm sure it's gonna be another $30,000,000.

Of course it is. Right? But I think if we done that one if we done this 11 bay, I mean, that would get us by for a it'd get us by for another few years. So Another few years. Well, as I mean, as the city grows, we're we're getting in that that area where, like, you start adding a lot of people to public works. Like, I think once you hit that 20,000 threshold, you can almost double your department because you're typically, by then, you've added more parks and roads and

And I think our goal with the facility is next fiscal year. The goal is to be equipment heavy kind of more equipment heavy this fiscal year and look at that $400,000 building in the next fiscal year with equipment being priority too. That's our goal right now.

Yeah. Thank you.

Any other question? I mean, there's a few other smaller piece of equipment we need to look forward to in the next year or two, just some of the cemetery, a stand on fertilizer spreader where it's so tied up there with all the graves. We have this little four wheel spreader that we've had for quite a few years that we need to look about replacing that in the next couple of years. And then his tow behind blower where it's used daily, it's getting pretty tired. I mean, we're keeping it alive, but it's something we need to look at. And then also down in the parks, we're using a lot more liquid fertilizer. It's better cost, more effective. We have a sprayer right now that we got from the university ages and ages ago. I think it's well, it's a 1992. We have rebuilt some of the parts. It's still kicking, but it's getting tired. That's something we need to look at replacing in the next couple years. Anything else you had question? I mean, that's quite a bit of equipment there. That's quite a bit. Yeah. Appreciate what you're doing. Thank you. Yeah. Keep up the good work. Thank you. Yeah. There's there's a lot of moving parts down there. We're we're trying our best. We're really moving a lot on the the where we got such good weather with the sidewalk repairs. We've done, I think, like, 600 feet now. Nice. I think to hit our budget at expenditures can be right around 2,500 feet this year. So we should have quite a bit done. It's it's a lot of work, though. I mean, it's not just pulling out the concrete. It's sprinkler repairs and lawn repairs and side or driveway repairs and but it's we're staying busy doing it, and we're making a good dent in it. We're gonna hopefully have a big chunk of it. Well, we will have a big chunk of it done this year. So yeah. That and water leaks nonstop. Just got two this week. So And And phone calls

for me. Yeah. Come do this. Help us with this. Building afloat. That's what we're there for. It's keeping this I got a quick question.

And I don't know if it's for you or Clay, but what's what's the normal pressure supposed to be when it's reaching the homes and things like that? Like, you've talked about, obviously, putting in boosters so we can make sure we can reach places. Mhmm. I'm I'm I'm assuming we've got some pressure reducers in in different places in the city or whatever. What's the max? I mean, I don't know. I've had a few different, a couple of different people in, around, I'm trying to think, kind of over by the cemetery. But I just mentioned that it seemed like their pressure had gone up, like, really high.

They weren't sure why. Do you mind if I answer? Yeah. You can answer. Fire fire code requires 40 psi. Mhmm. That's static. So if everyone on the line is using water, you still have to have the 40 psi. Yeah. So

the lines using water, you still have to have the 40 psi. So our ranges, as Josh mentioned, the PRVs, which it sounds like I'll be sending a map out sometime next week with all the different zones, Our the lowest one we have, lowest pressure in all the city is up at the top of Summit Drive and it is consistently 45. Yeah. We have some that are higher that are actually upward gen lives. Mhmm. You can get up around 125. Building code requires that you put in a home PRV now. Yeah. So you it doesn't matter what your pressure is, you can regulate it and that's building code. I'm hoping Josh takes a minute and explains why the cemetery had higher pressures. He had a problem. It took him a couple of days to get it all taken care of. He did it immediately, so there wasn't any problem with fire flow or fire pressure. But he did have to spend a couple of days with him and his crews fixing that, and they should be back to normal now. And in fact, they'll let Is there is there, like, a limit where it gets to and and some of these homes are older homes that didn't have their own home, you know. We we do have a Reducer. We try not to go above a 120, not only for older pipe, but we have our own pipe is all ductile, but it goes into, corpse stops, the fitting on the pipe itself, usually rated at 200 PSI. So we try to stay under that. Yeah. If we go above a 125, we look at putting in a PRV for the mainline. There are a few places that are

slightly higher than that just because of where they're at. Yeah. Yeah. In this instance, I think they were up, like, 160.

Yeah. We had an issue with the air. So that's probably you you can probably explain how Yeah. I mean, periodically, we have issues with our PRVs. We're actually putting in a with this booster station, it's gonna have in our SCADA system, it'll have all of our pressure zones, and it'll alarm us a lot sooner than what we get alarmed right now because right now, it's when a homeowner calls. Home call. I mean, yeah. We'll check our PRVs. We'll do we'll do testing on it at least three times a year where we'll go in there, exercise the valve, clean out all the screens, but we're in there monthly looking at the PRV pressures. Yeah. But we're gonna have in our SCADA that'll alarm us when the pressure spikes so we can respond to it. Because it was, like, two years ago, we had a pressure spike and we had three mainline leaks in one night. Mhmm. And it was just a nightmare. So

Any idea on how many of those we've got in the city? Just How many impressions?

Yeah. Mhmm. Of the PRVs. PRVs. One, two

I wasn't sure. Five, six. That was a large amount or

Seven. You're counting one third south. Yeah. Yeah. Seven of them. And in in one of the vaults, it controls two different pressure zones that goes off the hill down into Lower Canyon. So but in each one of those, it has a minimum of two PRVs. It has a smaller one that takes all the lower flows, and then, like, in a fire flow situation or a high demand, it opens up the big one. Very good. Thanks. Yeah. Sorry. I know it's a little off the topic, but I I was just curious. Yeah. But that's probably why it had a little higher pressure as we had a little issue. So but we got it solved pretty quick. Oh, that's great. Thanks. Anything else?

Thank you so much. Thank you for all you do. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Good job, Josh.

Now we're gonna make you stare at ceiling tiles and be bored. That's a whole goal for the rest of this meeting. Just a few things, council. We're gonna kinda go through a few. We talked about wage increases, three and a half percent for cost of living. Where did that come from? We looked at the state of Utah for 2025 to see where inflation was. Depending on where you read it, it looked like it was 3.25 to $3.05. We saw one as low as $2.07 5. We saw some as high as $4.04 and a half. We felt that when you took the average, it was right in that three and a quarter to three and a half. So that's where the $3.05 comes from. The other 2% that we've included, we're asking for so that the department heads have some discretion of those that they have that are rock stars that can get more. We would like them to have the ability where appropriate to be able to allocate some of that. Where's that 2%? It's just off of their total wages is where we're coming up from that for each department. Here's where that's based. No new full time positions would be created, but we have several open positions that we would fill. We have an open position, you know, in police, fire, public works. So we would be looking at filling those, but we would not be looking at adding new positions. One thing I would like to point out in talking to Josh, if we don't keep up to date on our equipment, we are going to have to hire a mechanic. We do not have a individual, an expert mechanic on staff. We have a lot of guys that compare stuff and they do the best they can. We made some phone calls. Like equipment vehicles, the average wage is going to be 35 to $40 an hour for a good mechanic plus benefits, so you would be over a 100,000. We talked to a heavy truck semi, you know, loader type mechanic to see what that shop pays. They said to have a really good mechanic is 40 to $45 an hour. But the problem is there's no master of every you can't go out and find a master mechanic that can fix everything. So does that Mini x have few hours? It does. If we lose that Mini x with a bad transmission or an engine, we're out everything plus now we've got to try and find a rental or someone else to come and do it. There is a debate on the number of hours on that Mini, but we feel like that Mini is one piece of equipment that we cannot live without. We found out from Wheeler to even go in their shop to be diagnosed is a minimum of $800. And, like, we like that five year warranty. We like we don't want to run on the edge of having that stuff go down. Everything subject to change, the council doesn't approve of it, of course, we'll pull it out. All of the equipment presented tonight, not one of it would be a lease or a loan. Every bit of it would be paid in cash as proposed. So keep please keep that keep that in mind as we go forward. Buildings, we have a building problem. We have a lot of aging buildings and we don't spend money on our buildings. We only spend when we have to. We don't wait like we wait till the furnace breaks. We wait till right now, we have we have a problem with if you look at the historic cabin, the roof is coming off. All the shingles are curled. We need to get a bid on that. We did not have a bid in time for this meeting, The cabin is a problem. We have a senior center that needs a new roof that has a problem, has a log problem. We have not budgeted anything for it. We have a youth center and a civic center that are aging. We have the Douglas Mercantile Museum that is aging. Plus, when you look at the golf course, the rec center, the city office, the fire station, the PD, they're all getting decades old. They're no longer young anymore, and they're going to take money. We have not allocated a lot of money over time for those buildings. That is a fact. Interestingly enough, I don't know if you know this, but the city actually has to pay utilities on every building we own. Let me tell you what that means. So like the police police station, the police department is in the general fund. The police station actually has to pay a monthly water and sewer bill. Don't know if you knew that, but it is remandated by a state auditor. Every one of those buildings is paying. So when that Douglas Mercantile building comes online, there will actually be a monthly utility bill to go along with Questar and Rocky Mountain Power. There's actually going to be a city bill for that that now has to be covered that hasn't been covered in the past. So that's just a little tidbit. We are hoping as this fiscal year wraps up, that revenue keeps strong and we've got some expenses down. We wanna look and see if it's at all possible to pay pay off a couple of those lease payments on those trucks. That's our goal. If we can somehow pull that off, we won't know for the next month for the next couple of months. But that is one thing if we have funding, that we will would bring back for your consideration is to probably, hopefully, pay off a couple of those sooner than later. As you look at the budget itself, council, you've seen a lot of wants, needs, long term, short term. But as we look at the budget itself, just wanna point out a couple of things. When it says fiscal year 2026, that is the starting budget. That is not the amended budget from December. So when you're looking at f y twenty six, you're looking at what's proposed for '27. A few items there that I wanna point out, the property tax number is going to change. The county doesn't have that information yet. We don't know with growth where that number will go. We don't know what We don't know with growth where that number will go. We don't know what we're going to propose in that regard. Please keep in mind that number is subject to change. Sales tax is strong, but is very volatile. When you look at franchise tax, franchise tax would be Comcast and Google Fiber. Energy is Enbridge, formerly Questar, and Rocky Mountain Power. The fee in lieu of tax is, like, vehicles, boats, trailers. It is not property tax. RAPS tax, we have a zero in there right now waiting till the May to see what's approved or not approved and how much. We anticipate we'll get approval there, and we'll add those numbers in at that time. So it's a blank right now. Mass transit tax is a pass through tax. We don't actually get that money and we don't pay it out. It goes to the to the transit district. We have to record that on our financials as an in and out. So it's exact amount in, exact amount out. Local road tax is a dedicated tax very similar to class c. Local road tax can only be used for certain items such as roads, but it does allow in local road tax signage. Last year, you'll know last year, we did a couple of bridges with some local road tax money we had been saving. But when you look at class c road funds, class c road funds are for roads and drainage. That's one of Clay's biggest priorities is roads and drainage. It is a dedicated fund like you can't. It's only for roads. Rural transportation and the the rural transportation infrastructure fund is also for roads, and it is dedicated. So we have the same amount of revenue as we have the same amount of expense. Typically, we've been saving that for big projects. Like, Clay right now is on 9th South from 120 or 100 East to 250 East. That's where that money would come through. If you look at the central dispatch fee, that's the $9.01 1 fee on your monthly utility bill. That's a pass through that we pay to Logan City. When we look at across the board at some of the expenses and you see benefits, what benefits consist of are health insurance, dental, vision, retirement, workers comp, short term, long term disability, as well as mental health. Those are all rolled into that line item. My number one concern at this point is absolutely health insurance. We are on a July through June. That process is starting right now, to come up with a renewal. It scares me. Health insurance is awful. I don't know any other way to say it, that it's going to increase. It's just a matter of how much. We're hoping for a really good number, but we have an unknown. So depending on what that number comes in, may require us to change a lot of things we're proposing tonight based on how that plays out. Interest interest has been very good. Interest is bad on a personal level for a mortgage. Interest is really good for the city. New water tank. That cash and that fund will go down. We're paying cash for a stormwater project. That fund is going to go down. The one thing that we will that I will be bringing back on this budget that we have to fix is if you'll I don't know if you were involved, if you recall. But we we had an audit finding last year. We had left too much money and basically our regular checking net transfer enough to our saving. So the interest in our general fund is actually going to go down because the interest in our capital improvement fund is going to go up. So we're not losing, but it's going to be in a different fund. When you look at some of the funds as we go across here, the youth councils, just a super small increase. When you look at court, what is court? That is the prosecutor. We have to pay that. We also have to pay the public defender. So that's what the court is when you look at admin. When you see bank fees, those are credit and debit card fees. They go up every year, and they will just go up forever. We're the percentage, like, we've tried to work with a broker and stuff, but everyone wants to pay with credit and debit card fees. Like, we've tried to work with a broker and stuff, but everyone wants to pay with credit and debit card. Those numbers have just gone up historically year after year. I would like to point out in the admin fund, we had a request to have the storybook festival be all by itself. So we have the Arts Council proposed at three thousand, and we have the storybook festival all by itself at five thousand, is the request that was made there. The general plan, ideally, it will be done, in the next couple of months, so we don't have anything budgeted in the new fiscal year for that. We don't have, as far as the have anything budgeted in the new fiscal year for that. We don't have as far as the election goes, it is the off year, so there's no election this year, so you see a zero there. Planning overall, the one that I would point out in planning is you see a $25,000 proposal for what we are calling the Utah State University vision plan. That would be council planning commission and USU doing that study, that plan over the next year. That's where that would sit and what's being considered there. We will look at definitely as fuel over the next couple of months and see what we need to play there. You're going to see in almost every fund, you're going to see major and minor equipment. What is that and what does that mean? For from a depreciation standpoint, from an auditing standpoint, any piece of equipment that is over $5,000 is automatically flagged and audited and has to be depreciated. So if that widget costs more than $5,000, it goes in major equipment. If it costs $49.99 99 or less, it goes in minor equipment. And that's standard across the board for all departments when you look at that. Keep please keep that in mind. You may wonder how does police department wages go down? And that's because overall, we punch in the wages of every single current employee when we're basing this. We had a lot of employees or we had several in the in the PD last year with a years of experience that were being paid a higher wage than their replacement. So that's why you're seeing a negative there for right now. Now if we can that's why you're seeing a negative there for right now. Now if we consider some adjustments, that would change. But when you're like, well, how did it go down and everyone else go up? It's because simply the the employees we're paying are paying a different wage. As you guys point out, super excited that the build the the police station and the and the clubhouse are both now paid off. So you see zeros zeros on those. When you look at that in streets at the rural transportation investment fund last year, it was 625,000 and this year we're taking it down to $2.80. That's because we did the bridge on on the bridges on 4th and eighth or sixth and eighth, I'm quite Yes. The two bridges and that was we had been hoarding money for a while to do those two. The asphalt will finish up this spring, but that's why you're seeing a decrease because we did those projects. When you look down in public safety and see a 5,000 increase for the supply line item, that $5,000 we apply for a grant every year. There's no guarantee we're going to get it, but it's $5,000. If we get it, great. But we feel like we have to leave that in there. That's for that's for glasses, earplugs, vests. So grant or no grant, we will apply, but we want to figure that in there and include that no matter what. When you keep coming through, class c is dedicated. It's for roads. The central dispatch fee, you see the money going in and the money going out. When it comes to parks, you will see where you will see that we don't have that RAPS project in there because we had the Forrester Acres project in the current fiscal year year, and we don't have anything in there for that year. That's why you're seeing parks parks overall do a decrease. When you come down to celebrations, the Children's Theater, right now, we're at we have it at 42, but we've applied for RAP. So if they get the RAPs, that number will will increase. When we talk to Sean about, you know, the youth the youth center, as you can see, building maintenance, $8,000, just not a lot. Historical society, that, you know, $2,000 building maintenance, not a lot. Like, we just have not been able to allocate a bunch. We have to we have to deal with that as it comes. Talking to the library, when we reviewed the wages over there, we have a lot of those employees that are at $12.80 to $14.80 an hour. Our proposal is that they go to $15 and those are at 50 or the $14.80. They would get a little more with that, you know, that 3 that cost of living. But our proposal is we fill at 15, we feel like they're valuable, we feel like they're vastly underpaid at $12.80, and we would like to propose that those part timers go to 15 as part of that. The copy machine that Sean mentioned is in that minor equipment. It's under $5,000 or 3,000 and something. So that's like when you see that pop up in there. We do not have any proposed utility increases for the new fiscal year. We've made some adjustments to that a while back and we've been saving that so that we could pay cash for those projects. When you look I wanna be very clear about the golf course. The golf course is in the general fund, but the golf course also, we get accused of that this general fund is subsidizing the golf course. That could not be more of a that could not be more incorrect. You look at revenue of 2,080,000.00. You look at proposed expenses of 2,080,000.00. They have done very well. They will they'll blow their numbers out of the water this year. The one thing we will be asking you, counsel, is if you support that tag marshal system, we would love, for you to approve on that next line item that increase, for July 1. If you do that, Eric will start working with Tag Marshall to have that system implemented by July 1, and on those new carts, if that is something that you support. When you look like at theirs, the major equipment is the nine carts, the bed knife grinder, that's where all of that stuff over $5,000 goes. And then as over $5,000 goes. And then as Zach mentioned, capital improvements. We're sitting on that capital improvement line item waiting to see if those wraps projects come in. The wraps projects comes in, then we'll be making some changes there. If it doesn't, we'll pivot and go with some cart paths. Impact fees, we do not budget upfront. We do not budget for them until they're collected. We don't hedge on what growth will or won't be. We wait till that money comes in. The General Pet Capital Improvement Fund or if someone wanna call it the savings for the General Fund, when you look at that capital equipment, that includes of 250,000, that includes the PD SUV, the Mini X, the Backhoe, the top dresser, the aerator, and the cemetery mower is where all of that would come out of. We will be looking at as we get the bid on that the spring line project. I didn't wanna add it yet until we got a bid. We thought, let's wait. Let's put the exact number in there as that comes forward. And so we will be looking at that. When you look at interest in there, you see that interest is going way down. It's simply because we're spending we're between the tank and the and the spring line, we're spending our money. Professional services, when you look in there, it's because the auditors will always you take the engineering and when you actually do the project, the engineering costs are included in the project cost. And they're depreciated, that's why you're seeing not anything in there is because we know all of our water engineering is going to go into those new projects. Depreciation does apply to the enterprise funds. It is not cash. Some people have a really hard time understanding that, but we do what the government says. They want us to depreciate, so we depreciate. So you see that in in water, sewer, stormwater, and solid waste, if applicable.

Let's see. We got all of those. We got all

those. And at this point, council, we're not a little city council. You already know that. But when we hear that we're Mayberry or we want to go back in time, we're past that. We have we're we're at a minimum, and this number is going to go up when we add in those projects. We're at a minimum 23,000,000. We're probably like we are this year when this thing wraps up and we ask for approval. I think our department heads do a lot considering that we tried to be really frugal tonight, counsel, not ask for everything under the sun. Are there things that can change a 100%? Do we look forward to what you guys wanna see a 100%? But we've tried not to be greedy. We've tried to be reasonable. There was a lot of things shot down that aren't didn't even make this list. You can ask Josh, what down that aren't didn't even make this list. You can ask Josh what I did when he walked in with his very first list. I actually told him to turn around and walk back out. He could come back when he was more reasonable. We had a good laugh about it. But, no, like, overall, the department heads, guys, we've tried to be really reasonable. We've tried to not increase, you know, plan plan short term, plan long term. We have real concerns with fire. Those are million dollar problems, multimillion dollar problems. And how do we deal with that? You know, we look at or we wanna look at some vehicle leases. You guys know, I do not support leases. I do not support the interest. I will do everything we can to try and cash those out until you tell me different and have a different path. I would love to cash out so or rotate some of those every so many years with public works, with fire, with police. I would really like to avoid the leases where we can. If that's something you support, I'll certainly pivot to that. It's just not something I do. I don't like the interest. If we can avoid interest, I want to. I've been really proud about us trying to avoid interest and not bond since 2015 for the library. And we'll look and see how this spring line plays out, make no promises there. We talked about that all along how what may or may not happen there. Clay's working right now with, you know, on phase one of the stormwater project. That bid opening is on April set April 2. We're really curious to see where that number comes in. Like, we're there are a lot of contractors that picked up those plans. We're curious to see how that comes in. We've told them it has to be done by June 30 in this fiscal year, and we're like, based on how that project comes in, we can come up with an estimate for phase two for the next fiscal year. The plan is, Council, as we move forward with this, to bring changes back to you, as we go, like in April, May, and then ultimately to June, we would love to know your thoughts, what you support, what you don't support, like the tag marshal. If you're okay with that, like, we would love to get that ball. That's the only item right now that has any sense of urgency. It doesn't have to be decided tonight, but we that is a big project to get that thing going and actually in by July. And we feel like where we're automatically covering the cost with a with with the increase that with your blessing, we would like to to start that ball rolling. Everything else is, council, have we missed anything that you wanted to see? The one that I do wanna talk about that is in there, kind of an elephant in the room for some of for some of the city. We're gonna go back and point that out so it's very clear. When you look at the streets, a, is sidewalks. Where are we at with sidewalks? What are we doing with sidewalks? So when you look at sidewalks, we started off with 50,000 last year, which was the most we've ever started off. In the past, it had only been, like, 30,000. 30,000 doesn't do anything with sidewalks anymore. We took it to 50 this year. We're proposing to go to 100, but I wanna be clear, going to 100 as currently planned is not including anything for the missing sidewalk associated with those walking to Sunrise Elementary. We're we're waiting on the school district to see what their plans are. We're waiting to see what we can come up with. So at this time, we have not included anything for that project. We'll see how you guys feel about that as we get information as gathered from the school district and how and if you want to proceed. So that 100,000 does not include any for that project.

How close are we to having some idea of what it would cost for sidewalks to sunrise every I mean, just ballparking it. So what's that? So if you go from 250 to 455 East on the north side of the road, it would be about 110,000

plus or minus because it requires the installation of a footbridge at on at the canal. At the canal. The South side would be cheaper, but we don't own the land on the South side, so there would have to be some discussions there. When you if you consider I call it the s curve, however you wanna look at going from on the North Side of Skyview where you transition from two fifty East to thirty east, there's half a dozen property owners that would have to agree to sell us some of their land. Todd would be politely and letting the tree committee know that those 100 year old trees are gone. Like, we can't put those that sidewalk that road is too small to put the sidewalk in between the road and those trees. So it would be a major impact on those people's front yards if you go north. It's further the other the other big the issue you have with sidewalk, who's going to clear the snow? We aren't in the sidewalk snow clearing business. Even if that sidewalk goes in, who's gonna take care of it? School district gonna clear it? Are the parents gonna clear it? Is anyone going to clear it? Or did we accomplish nothing outside of winter months? That's something that would have to be decided. The school district's not going to want to clear it. Mhmm. You know, and then those people that all of a sudden have it in front of their home, would they be reasonable about it? That remains to be seen. But we have some real concerns about the the residents not pushing snow in front of their home and then you take something like on the South Side Of Skyview, two and a half two and a quarter blocks, will they do it? I don't know. And we don't own that land. They would have to give us the land to put the sidewalk on. We don't have a big enough right away there. And it is not an option to not install it from the roundabout all the way up because we have had some people say, well, let's just install it from the east side of the of the part of the parking lot up. No. There's, like, four driveways. Four driveways we have to cross. We have concerns about 16 to 18 year olds not paying attention. We have concerns about littles that don't pay attention. There's some real concerns with the PD, myself, all of you on how that would play out. But that's a discussion that we have to have. Yeah. That's a whole discussion. I was I really just wanted the number

in terms of what we think cost might be. So Sorry.

How dare you give us more information than we need. So

I think we estimated 70 on the s curve with outland acquisition. So roughly doubling what we have currently listed in the budget. And then we have requests in other areas of the city to connect subdivisions with parks

that we would love to do as well. Yeah. Yeah. No. I get it. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. And for all the extra stuff too.

I appreciate your hearing about you. Even though I knew. We liked that about you. You're very detailed. Thank you. Love it.

I do have concerns about the building situation and I don't feel like we've adequately addressed that yet for even the coming fiscal year. I mean, if if and I'm not I don't know whether or which buildings need to be most addressed or to what degree. But I mean, I just think going forward, we need to start if not building buildings or fixing building, like, we need to start talking away some money for future address, you know, the needs for buildings, if not immediate needs. But I think that needs that that's my view is we've got to kind of address that. I really appreciate we're looking at all the equipment for the golf course and the public works and fire and like, that's great and that's perfect and and appropriate. I I think we just have not

yet addressed adequately the the building situation. We haven't. We've wait till stuff broke, honestly. I mean, until the furnace broke, until until, you know, the senior center, like, needs a roof. There's bats and mice and rats. Thankfully, that issue is resolved. But the logs, the fact is the logs are decaying. Yep. You need, you know, a minimum probably a 6 figures there. We just haven't done it. We haven't, like, what what do we do with all those buildings because we're only going to add. We're not going to get rid of, like, honestly, like, we're not. Honestly, like we're not. Yeah. And Brett, you know, it's like Brett has tried to do really good every year. We've been fortunate to redo the gym floors on the Civic Center and the Youth Center every year. That's really the only improvement until something breaks that we do every single year. We booked at the library. The only thing that we have done over there since the construction in 02/1516 was the carpet. So and now we're on phase three because we've tried to stagger it over years. The youth center, like I said, trying to do some some minor brick work. But, yeah, it it's a super concern of every single one of us that the buildings the buildings are concerned. Yeah. What do you feel is the priority there? I mean, you've listed a few, but I think you we've gotta look at the we've gotta look at the roof on the cabin if if we're keeping the cabin. I haven't been told we're not. I don't know what we're doing with it after we vacate it. I don't know if it's a relic. I'm not a 100% sure I'm going to get lynched as soon as that leaks online to the two people that are watching. But what are we doing with the cabin? Are we do we want to keep the cabin and dump the money in it? Because if we do, a roof's going to have to happen in the next fiscal year. I think the senior center is probably getting a current bid, like, what is it really involved in? I mean and that thing would be shut down a long time. Really involved in? I mean and that thing would be shut down a long time. Are they prepared? Like, we close it down for two weeks for carpet and it's the end of the world. Imagine closing it for six months or whatever for and then the problem you have with the logs when we talk to them, what really happens when that job starts? There's no going back. Like, that thing is a go. If if they run into more, we gotta pay it. You know, I would I I'm we're excited to see the Douglas Mercantile building get to the point that it's open, but it still got, you know, an upstairs that hasn't been touched. It's got a down stairs. I don't know if conference room is the right word. It hasn't been touched. I look at the city office. We'll deal with the AC and the heat the the furnaces as they come and go because we don't know what else to do with those. But it's never been painted since it was built. We've got someone coming to clean the windows. You know, the PD has not really had much done to it. Kudos to Jeremy and the fire staff. They have basically remodeled that building with their own staff. Pretty amazing. Amazing. Kudos to them for doing that. Josh and Public Works, they've done a lot of the work on their own with those buildings, but we're now to the point that we need that new facility. And we're really hoping a year from now that we could build that because I don't like the thought, none of us do, that we have six figures, 7 figures worth of equipment under tarps. Yeah. I would love to build a new building down there tomorrow, but at the same time, there's only so much money, like, how do we circle it without, you know and we're like, let's look at some equipment that we feel like we could save money, like, with the camera truck and some of that stuff. Long term, save the 40,000 a year, but we need a building. We just felt this year equipment took a priority over the building, but we would love to have a plan for a building in a year. And then there will always be roads. We never spend enough on roads.

So the one thing you need to know from us tonight is

We'll talk about that resolution, but you have any other questions as far as the budget itself? I mean, obviously, we're gonna talk about it for the next three months. But if there's anything else that you wanna answer tonight, I mean, obviously, we can go through it. You know, next, like, when we bring it back in April, I'll be like, council, here's the items that we've looked at changing or tweaking a little bit. Right? So you don't have to stare at it and go, what did you do? But we will look at that. But tonight, the only thing we're gonna ask is after you're done with the budget is that we look at that resolution adopting those changing fees at the golf course. So that would be effective July 1.

I think I am good for today.

Do you feel like we've had a data dump? This is great. It's great information, but now we just need some time to process some of the You don't wanna do another hour?

I don't have any more questions

tonight. Or insult.

Just just appreciate all the time that the department heads and Justin have taken to put all this together. So hopefully maybe maybe we'll come find you if we've got questions.

Yes. Thank you. I was really grateful to all the department heads for all the work you've put in and for Justin. I know this is a huge task to just try to envision a whole year ahead and what's needed. They'll put their own And you've all got extraordinary needs and you're doing extraordinary like, we couldn't be more pleased. We hope we can find kind of the sweet spot for funding all everything that we can.

Absolutely. So thank you, everybody. Yep. Yep. Just even the fact you would all stay here for the whole meeting. Yeah. It's greatly appreciated.

You're awesome. Really. We don't just say that. I hope you guys know and understand that we really do care. We see you. We appreciate you. My wish is that everybody in the town, the city would see it. It's really unfortunate.

I echo what Jen says, but please go back to your people and tell them that. Absolutely. We do look out for them. Appreciate it. So moving on.

Yeah. And thank you, counsel. Thanks for listening. Like, it's it's ever evolving. Been working on it for months. We'll work on it for several more months. We expect that you now kinda hear the plan or the vision to come back with questions and changes or what, you know, maybe what we missed or what you wanna tweak or what you wanna do different. We expect that. We know that's coming. So tonight was kinda information overload. We did not want to we love Jim Gas. We wish Jim Gas was on line right now, but we absolutely are so thankful you did not require us to go through 840

line items. Like, we appreciate that. So thank you, counsel. I remember those days. I'll be halfway done. You know, as painstaking as this is, I hope that people that are watching this and listening to this are realizing too what what what process is and what what their city is really doing and with their money. Yeah. Good point.

Yeah. They've entrusted us to do that. So.

Okay. Item number three, discussion and possible vote on Resolution twenty twenty six-four, a resolution amending the prevailing fee schedule of the city.

The demand is there. They're covering their own costs. Yeah. That seems Right. Their goal. Right. I think we ought to bring Eric back up here and have him explain it.

Well, the thing is, it's coming with an additional benefit.

It's not like it's just an increase for an increased sake. It's coming with a benefit

attached. Right. Intention.

I'd entertain a motion.

I will make a motion that we approve resolution 2026Dash04.

I'll second. How do we vote? Jay? Aye. Or yes. John?

Chris? Yes. Jen? Yes.

Mayor, I'd like to make a motion that we adjourn.

I will second that. I'll second. We all will