Recreation Center Study Results -Joint Nibley Parks and Recreation Committee & Nibley City Council

I'd like to maybe call this meeting to order. A quorum of the Nibley City Council has assembled at Nibley City Hall at 06:30 to do a joint meeting with the Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee. And the council meeting to order and ask consent of the council to appoint myself as chair pro temp for this meeting. Any objection? Alright. Seeing no objection, council member me is the approach, pro temp. And we have council member, Norman Larson, Garrett Mansell, and Aaron Mann present. And then I'll turn the time over to president Walker to call her committee to order.

Thank you. Excuse me. We will call to order for the Parks and Rec Committee. Kendall Welker, I'm here. Sarah Anderson. Here. And make sure to speak into the microphone so those online can hear. Here. Joshua Nelson.

Here.

Manny Labis. Here. Michael Stokes. Here. John Hayden. Not here.

John is sick today.

Vincent Cordero is not here. Jason Clark? Here. And Caitlin Madsen? Here. Thank you. Alright. And, we'd like to recognize those that are here joining us, council members and our city staff. Thank you. Alright. So we have the approval of our minutes from February and our March agenda. Is there any questions from our minutes last month? And is there a motion? A motion to approve. And Michael, you second it. Alright. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Alright. Minutes are passed and then the agenda in front of you for tonight's meeting. Any questions? Alright. Is there a motion? Motion approved. Michael motions. A second? I second. Jason and Manny. Just kidding. Choose one. Put their name. Manny. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? K. Pass unanimously. Alright. And to our public comment period, Heather Godfrey, will you come up and give us your comment, please?

Hi. My name is Heather Godfrey. I actually live at 9050 South 200 East in Paradise. I'm a business owner in Hiram. My children attend Heritage Elementary in Nibley, so I stay on the South End. I just wanted to express support for the indoor rec center. I have nine children. I'm also on the cash water polo board. We are an aquatic family. We swim. We play water polo. This valley needs this rec center. I know there's concern about, money. Obviously, that's, I'm sure, most of us greatest concern. But we live in a day and age where we have access to grants, funds, and this valley does have money. So I think, really, some great opportunities to think outside the box, allow people to get in some kind of an incentive program. You bring a 10,000 sponsor, you get, whatever, free membership for a year. You bring a $500,000 sponsor, you bring a million dollars, whatever your limits. This doesn't have to just be funded through tax money. There is money. There are grants. There are people willing to put this here. Mental health, obesity, there's a thousand studies of the need for this indoor rec center. We do not we cannot compete. I because we play water polo, we are not a sanctioned sport in high school yet. It's on the board or on the docket. Hopefully, in the next couple years, it gets sanctioned. You're out of pools. We cannot compete up here. My daughters I have two daughters that have been to the Junior Olympics in Water Polo. We have a gold medal and a bronze medal in the Junior Olympics in Texas. We can play and we can compete as far as skill wise, but we do not get the pool time. We need more pools. We need something to do in the winter. This rec center benefits every family, not just of us those of us with children still, but your elderly. Your mala is gone. There is no more free walking in the winter. You do not have places for the elderly to go. You need this rec center. Every Cache Valley is behind. We're growing exponentially. Hiram is growing. Nibali is growing. You have we need better health care providers. We need more health care providers. We need more excellent education teachers. We need the university. What are you incentivizing them with? If I'm moving from Denver and I have access to rec centers, I have access to indoor, facilities, and you want me to come here with what? You need this rec center. You need it to bring people here. You need it for the excellence that every citizen of Cache Valley deserves, and they do deserve well. It's a beautiful place to live. The mountains are wonderful. The small town atmosphere is wonderful, but we need these facilities to bring in more, more options for your citizens, and it can be done. We can have a really fantastic rec center. There's beautiful rec centers across this entire state. Just down south in South Davis, all the way down to Saint George, which has two. Cedar City, Farmington, Springville, Provo, Midway, all of them have beautiful rec centers that serve their communities, and they serve them well, and they're used all the time. I have been to every one of those. Some of them have pools. Some of them I've been for volleyball before the boys' teams were sanctioned. I've played in all of these rec centers. They serve their communities well. We need one here. I fully support it. My family supports it. I support I would support a bond, and I will support the tax increase for it. So thanks. Thank you, Heather. Thank you.

Ben Madsen.

I wasn't sure what to do about heckling Caitlin. She's my sister-in-law. So Ben Madsen. I'm at 489 Sheridan just down the street here. I I feel like I I I wasn't sure what to expect in this. Heather laid it out, flat out. We need this. I she kept saying, you, we need this. I don't know if there's any other way to put it than that. Similar to Heather, I've got kids in water polo, but I've got kids that swim. We've got our our ten year old took first place in two events at the state championships this past couple weeks ago. We don't we don't get full time for the you know, the water polo team. It's such a hard balance those teams. We need that. But it doesn't it's not just about the pool. Right? Like, we want the pool because the water polo team needs pool time. We're getting we get destroyed by Kearns because they have access to 13 pools. We get killed by Olympus every week every every time we go down because we we just don't get the pool time. The kids don't get the the ability to compete. Even though they've got really high talent and really high IQ, we get beat because we don't have the stamina in the pool. But it's not just about the pool. We have the best soccer program debatably around. It destroys everybody. We've got a gazillion soccer fields. We need something indoors. Because the soccer fields run only a couple months a year, the rest of the time, we're just watering lawns. The, yeah, the fields get used for stuff, but we need something indoors. We need a tractor run on. We need courts to play on basketball, volleyball, racquetball. I'm a racquetball player, so don't forget about the racquetball court. I need something down here. But, yeah, you go down you go down along Wasatch Front. Every town has a rec center, and Cache Valley is missing it bad. You go down to to Kearns. Yes. We can't compete with the oval down there. We're never gonna compete with that, but we can provide our citizens with something that they deserve. And, yeah, a tax if it takes a tax increase, let's do it. And some people are gonna be pissed about that. But, legit, we are underserving the community by not having something. So thanks for, like, going into this. You guys have done a lot of work. I love the surveys. I know you guys have spent a lot of time, so thank you for all of that. Let's move forward. Let's get this done. We need it. Thanks.

Thank you so much. Does anyone, like, anyone else wanna make a comment? Anyone up here have comments? Yes. Just state your name and where you live would be great.

I apologize for coming in a bit late. So I missed the beginning. I couldn't sign up. My name is Adria Davis, and I am a resident of Millville. And I was late because I was taking my child to water polo at Utah State because we don't have a pool local. So I apologize for that. I just want to speak and I didn't hear the beginning of her remarks. So if I have repeated something that was said, forgive me for that also. I just wanna speak to the need for a pool. And I realize there's other things that are going into a rec center. But the need for a pool, you may or may not know some of the statistics or what the reality of it looks like. I do have a child that plays water polo, and she's also done swim as well. And there is we are highly competing for pool time. I think that was already mentioned, but the water polo team has seven different teams. I know the swim team has seven or more. I don't know how many numbers they actually have, but significant amount as well. And that's just the club team. So we have Guadalupe Polo Club. We have swim that's club. We have the swim teams of Mountain Crest and Ridgeline that are all using the same pool. So it is highly used. Our practices are four days a week, year round. Swim is five days a week, year round. And so it's definitely something that would be used utilized. So the minute that it opened, it would be guaranteed be in use already, because there is so much need for it. So, I also do support a a tax increase for it. I wish there was some way we can get it funded or help pay for it, because it is in need. So just wanted to let you know that the rest of the community outside of Nibley is looking for this and is in need of it as well. So thank you for your time.

Thank you. Sure appreciate it. Any comments, questions, concerns?

I guess maybe can I say thank you so much for coming here to our meeting, and Nibley has definitely, I feel like, been a driving force? Also, for those that have come from outside of Nibley, go to your city council meetings as well. We are talking with neighboring communities and making sure that they know that what their citizens are wanting and that they are supportive of it is going to help tremendously. So thank you.

Thank you, Caitlin.

Alright. Agenda item number four. Indoor recreation feasibility study survey results report, including discussion and consideration. So this will be done remotely. And there she is.

Alright. Thank you, Kendall. We have Whitney Ward on the line. She just waved to us here. She's with BCBO. They're the consultant doing the study, the indoor recreation study. So we'll let her share her screen. She has a lot of great data to share with us, and we're excited to see what we can learn.

Alright. Can everybody see my screen alright?

Yes. We can, Whitney. Thank you.

Excellent. So this has been an incredible outpouring of feedback from the community. Right now, the the survey is still live because there, again, are some neighborhood communities who have gotten the word out a little bit later than others. Right now, we're at, 4,700 responses. And so what we're sharing tonight is a, sort of a moment in time from last Wednesday that recorded the information, and we've seen the trends continuing. So we're confident when the survey closes, there won't be any big surprises based off of what we're sharing, but we did wanna let you know that it is still open and and feedback is still coming in. But we wanted to to understand the community's perspective on recreation and aquatics, see what the priorities are, and to see what as we talked about already this evening, what the appetite might be for bonding or funding support for a community recreation facility. So with that, I'll go ahead and jump in here. I have about 18 slides, so I don't wanna take up too much time, and I'll try to be as clear as possible as I go through this. But, of course, if you have any questions or need clarifications, please stop me. So the first thing we wanted to do was understand the perspective of the value of recreation if people felt like it brought a value beyond health and well-being to the community. And what we heard in the about 4,400 responses that are captured in this question is that the vast majority of respondents do find value in recreation, both for improved health, physical health, but also mental health and specifically mental and, physical health for youth were key drivers as well. And so we thought that that was great feedback from the community about the value you can see over on the right hand side. Some of the other comments, again, are very consistent with what we've heard. A goal for indoor recreation during the winter months, the ability to build community and make connections with others, supporting health and well-being. And there are concerns that were expressed, increased taxes, sort of government competing with private market, and opportunities that exist in town not being diminished. And so you'll hear this consistently through the presentation where, generally, we've had very positive responses, but there are concerns, and and we wanna make sure that we're sharing those effectively. So we then ask folks just to understand where they were recreating or exercising today. What amenities and areas do they seek for their physical fitness? And what we saw resoundingly is that the community is using public facilities currently. So you'll see here public parks, public trails and open space are the two highest utilized, amenities by respondents to the survey and then public sports and fitness facilities and home fitness round out the top four. The interesting thing here was about a quarter of the respondents are using some level of private youth or adult fitness program. So the next question that we asked is holistically, where does the community see a need for services? And, again, there were three elements that rose to the top here. Not surprisingly, based off of the feedback tonight, swimming and aquatics eat into first place as the number one priority from respondents, followed by adult sport recreation fitness programs and youth sport recreation and fitness programs. Some of the interesting feedback here was, community education, senior recreation were a little bit lower than we might see in other communities. And then we did also want to note very clearly here that there were about 352 of the of the 4,600 respondents who did not support a taxpayer funded recreation center. And for reference, it's 7.6%. And so as we go through these numbers, again, you will see in the public comments and in the feedback that there are concerns and the folks who are uninterested from the beginning are about 7.6% of survey respondents.

Alright. Ginny, as you're transitioning slides, could you just share with us how significant the response rate is in comparison with the study you did in Ogden? I think that will help the Yes.

So, we're just finishing up construction right now on the Marshall White Center in Ogden, and this is a community recreation center nestled into the heart of Downtown Ogden. And we did a similar survey, and we were pleased with the result of just over 900 responses. So for Ogden City to have 900 and for the South End Of Cache Valley to have over 4,500 responses is pretty incredible. So, again, great responses from the community. The next series of questions, we broke the questions out based off of their response to, this one. So, for example, if they said sports and recreation were important, then we asked them more questions about what that meant to them. If folks said swimming and aquatics was important, we asked them more questions and so on and so forth. So the first question was for folks to rank the recreation and fitness activities that they thought would be most valuable for the community. And the number one item was indoor court space, so courts that could support basketball, volleyball, pickleball, etcetera. The second most important was open access cardio and strength training equipment, followed by weightlifting area and a dedicated indoor area for walking and jogging. The top five were rounded out with indoor field sports. And, again, this is really consistent with what people said were their priorities, which is adult fitness and youth fitness programs. And so these top five really represent all of those key priorities. We did wanna make sure that we were listing in here the 10 options that were available so you can see the group fitness, gymnastics, indoor, baseball, softball came down further on the list. And then we did have a really strong response in the other category where people wanted to make sure we knew that a pool was important. So more than half of our other comments were to note that the folks wanted an indoor pool, and there was another 100 or so of our seven eighty other comments that were focused on an indoor ice rink. And so, again, pretty good alignment with priorities and great feedback from this question. The next question went into aquatics, and there are a handful of questions that we asked about pools. So the first question similar to recreation was what are your priorities for aquatics? And again, here you can see that lap swimming and learn to swim programs, which are both a traditional rectilinear pool, were the number one and two priorities. Then you start to see the zero depth, entry beach area for small children, water slides. So the fun things for kids of all ages came in in third and fourth with aquatic fitness coming in after that, and then lazy river. So a good combination again of aquatics that support all ages and all abilities in their needs. To follow-up on the pool question, we asked folks what their priority was around indoor year round pools, outdoor seasonal pools, or both indoor and outdoor. And we learned a life lesson. If you ask both, most people will say both. So people people like the idea of both of the pools, but, again, a strong priority for indoor year round pools over outdoor seasonal pools. And of the over 1,500 respondents who wanted an indoor year round pool, more than 700 of them noted that they would use that on a weekly basis. And in total, we ended up with over 1,200 using it more than a couple of times a month. So, again, a really good feedback here for the potential use for indoor pools. We also ask people if they would be willing to pay for the use of an indoor pool. Indoor pools are one of the more expensive components of any indoor recreation facility for a range of reasons, and they often require a stipend or a supplemental funding to help pay for the lifeguards and the facility operations associated with pools. So we asked folks who wanted an indoor pool if they would be willing to pay an additional tax to help support that pool. And of the folks who wanted a pool, the majority said, yes. They would be willing to pay a tax. The thing that we really don't know and the reason I've circled maybe here is we're not sure if people are lukewarm about a pool if they would be willing to pay for it. So this is something that we want to dig into and understand in more detail as we move into our future concepts. After pools, we then asked about community spaces. And with these community spaces sorry. Let me just get rid of this here. With these community spaces, we heard, that activity and event spaces are the most important or the highest priority. So you'll see medium event spaces for gatherings up to 50 people is number one. And then birthday party spaces for 15 to 20 people. Art rooms came in third and then hourly childcare came in fourth. And again, spaces for the community to gather was pretty consistent across these comments and feedback. And just to note, of the 134 other comments that we received, 72 of them oops. 72 of them, highlighted that they did not want the facility. So that's still part of that 352 or that 7.6% that we referenced earlier in this study. And I just realized I forgot to fill in the blank here. So after we asked about the different programs and services with recreation, aquatics, and community support services, We asked folks if a recreation and wellness center with their desired amenities were built, how often would they use that facility? And what we heard here is a resounding people will use it, and they will use it often. In fact, I'm gonna fill in the blank here really quickly. Over 3,000 of the 4,000 people who responded to this survey said that they would use the facility weekly, if not more. And so, again, really good feedback from folks. We then wanted to be very clear and transparent about the potential for a bond or a property tax increase to help financially support a new community recreation and wellness center. So we asked folks if they would support a tax increase, and you can see here that 75 about 75% said, probably, yeah, we would support it, that this is something that's important to us, and then we ask them how much they would be willing to pay. And, the mean was about $20 a month, the median 15. So taking the lower of the two to be conservative, what we've heard so far is people are willing to pay about $180 a year per household to help support community recreation.

Is that high or low? Where does that fit in other things you've seen? So that actually is quite good.

Now the question that we need to dig into and what we're going to be exploring more in the future is what does that mean with different population bases? So a $180 a year per household is a really impactful amount of money potentially depending on how many houses we can spread that out over. Right? And so we're going to be working with a a bonding specialist to understand what that means for the Nibley community or if this were to grow outside of Nibley, what that could impact and how big of a facility that would help support. And then the next question we asked, because this is something that that we heard pretty consistently through our discussions, is that location matters. And so we ask people how far they would be willing to drive to go to a new community recreation and wellness center. And you can see the majority of people would like to keep it within fifteen minutes of where they live. And so that's another point that will be important to look at what's the reach from a potential site and how many people could we hit and how effectively can this facility be located to serve the South End Of The Valley. Again, really consistently in public outreach that we've done outside of the survey, we have heard that location is very important to end at the South End Of The Valley feels underserved by the existing facilities because they're mostly up in Logan and North Logan. And then another couple of points that I think are helpful to understand are sort of where Nibley maybe stands out from the broad survey. So as I mentioned, there are now 4,700 responses to this survey. We have about 700 responses specifically from Nibley residents. And so we took a look at what Nibley residents said and how that compared to others within the survey. And what we heard or saw was that senior recreation and community education had a little bit of a higher desire in Nibley than in some of the other communities. Additionally, more people wanted both indoor and outdoor pools, and and this is a great number. 95% of the people who said that they wanted an indoor pool were willing to support a property tax increase to help support that indoor pool for Nibley City, and 75% of Nibley residents, again, would support a property tax increase. And the percentage that Nibley residents are willing to pay is slightly higher than the average of the survey at $20 a month. So, again, consistent with what you've heard tonight, it is something that folks are looking for and very much interested in. We also used a very technical tool. We had over 80 pages of comments from survey takers. And so with the help of Chat GPT, we were able to really effectively summarize the feedback that we've received, And there were some additional considerations or suggestions that people wanted us to to think about as we go through the feasibility study. One is how can we integrate outdoor amenities and features into the recreation center or the site to make sure that it complements what exists in the community. Folks wanna make sure that we're designing with the community in mind, offering family oriented programs and something for everybody regardless of their age range and ability. And then finally, folks have a range of recommendations of other facilities that they liked that could be referenced and considered in the, study and design process. And, again, we like a lot of these facilities as well, so this was great feedback. There were concerns as we've noted. The biggest concern is funding and tax increase. There are a number of people who, as they went through the survey, noted that they're concerned about raising taxes, about what that will mean for them individually and financially, and if there are opportunities for other funding resources, public private partnerships, grants, or other opportunities to help reduce the burden on the taxpayers. Again, financial sustainability and efficiency were some concerns. Some folks recommended, and and this will be part of the evaluation, that there might be a fee structure that allows for folks who aren't paying or contributing via property tax to have a different fee structure than those who are contributing through property taxes to the facility. And then there are also concerns about making sure that it's accessible, attainable, and not overcrowded. And this is something that is worth considering because there are not a lot of recreation opportunities right now in the South End Of The Valley for indoor recreation, and so it's something that I think is, again, valuable feedback that we wanna keep in mind. But overall, as we've noted by the more than 90% positive response rate, there are absolutely people who are very excited for and supportive of this potential facility. Indoor aquatics are a very much a strong priority. Ice rink and indoor sports facilities, especially youth sports, rose to the top as a priority. Again, affordability and accessibility is something that repeats itself both in the supportive areas as well. And then the goal to have flexible multiuse spaces that can adapt and evolve over time and something that's very much focused on the South End Of The Valley. And so from all of this information, we've gone through and made a recommendation of the key priorities from the feedback in the survey. And so the first two key priorities are providing effective spaces for adult sports recreation and fitness and youth sports recreation and fitness. And so from an adult perspective, the key programs that we typically see are open access cardio and strength training, weightlifting area, dedicated indoor area for walking and jogging, and group fitness rooms. For youth sports, the priority spaces that that we would typically see and recommend would be indoor court and indoor field space, and that can allow for, of course, open recreation as well as youth sports programs. And then, of course, aquatics is a priority. With the feedback and the prioritization from the survey, right now, the focus points are a pool that allows for lap swimming and learn to swim programs, a zero entry a zero depth entry play pool, and an element that allows for fun and entertainment for youth and teens. They're sometimes the hardest to please, and so things like a water slide or a ninja course or some sort of engaging element would be important. And then finally, there are some additional considerations that maybe didn't come out of the survey but are things that we may wanna think about as the study progresses. One of these would be community and senior center programs. If there is a need for community space that could serve a broader need to enhance the facility and, again, provide a strong use space for all ages and generations within the community, The outdoor recreation integration is a great opportunity that came out of this survey, and then there's also an opportunity with health care integration and future partnerships and even potentially funding opportunities to really turn this into a recreation and wellness campus. And so while that didn't come from the community survey, could be an opportunity that we may wanna consider as the study progresses. So with that, you guys did not have a ton of questions. So I'll just maybe pause here and even stop sharing and see if there are any questions or anything that you guys wanna circle back to.

Whitney, it appears that they're mulling it over a little bit. I like this. Continue to mull.

Well, we're put on the spot tonight. Usually, our meetings have not them over there. And we're sitting around tables, and we're making jokes. So we're, like, a little bit out of our comfort zone for a little bit. I really think city council should be up here. They're probably more comfortable. But, anyway so we're we're just, you know, digesting the situation too.

Absolutely. Again, just to Chad's point, I think some of the key takeaways from our perspective, incredible community participation, thought positive and productive feedback, and good guidance as we move into the next steps of looking at different concept options for the indoor recreation center.

Whitney, this is Erin. I have one quick question. Last week, you were talking about Ballard King and the just maybe I wonder if you could explain a little bit what they're going to be telling us in terms of, like, what amenities can our population and demographics and size support? Maybe you could explain that a little bit just so we understand as we're getting into getting ready to get bond information ready. How do we know what we should be presenting for the bond?

That is a great question, and thank you for queuing that up, Erin. So Ballard King is a consultant, and they are a national recreation specialist. And they do, sort of market analysis and operational impact. And so they're going to be coming out and doing a deep dive into Cache County recreation opportunities, services, programs, public and private. And what they look at is what can be and is typically supported by different sizes of communities from a recreation amenity perspective. So, for example, how many ice rinks can be supported in Cache County? How many indoor pools are needed to serve the needs of the population base based off of average national and local data? Right? And so, for example, you may hear a statement of a community of 35,000 people can absolutely support an indoor recreation center, but that indoor recreation center may not include indoor aquatics, indoor ice, and indoor dry recreation. And so they'll help us pinpoint where you are as a county, where you are on the South Side of the valley from recreation services and offerings, where the gaps are in the services, and therefore, there are opportunities to provide that and also where maybe the needs are already being met within the community. So we're excited to get that information and that data to complement the survey. We don't wanna dismiss what we're hearing from the community in this survey, and it's so important to just note that this feedback is absolutely vital to make sure we're hitting what the community is looking for from program and amenity perspective. We just wanna then balance that with some data points on what is typical for different communities of different sizes and configurations. And that will also complement the Cash County study that is occurring as well to make sure that a need all of the needs are being met and that they're being considered across the county.

One one thing, Erin, that I might add to that that really appealed to the consultant team that BCBO offered, Ballard and King has on their staff people that have worked in recreation facilities, and they'll be creating a pro form a. So at some point, we'll have a a preferred concept, a general idea that includes a number of elements, and they'll take that and run numbers and tell us what it takes to operate that facility ongoing. And that's a very important question, especially for, you know, someone in your position looking at budgetary numbers, someone in my position looking at, hey. How do we sustain this? And that was very appealing to me as we looked at this proposal. And so that's another piece of what Ballard and King will do.

Thank you, Chad, for noting that.

When does the survey close? Hopefully soon. Hopefully soon.

We have so much to process. I I was gonna say, Chad actually has been doing a great job at reaching out to the neighboring communities and making sure as they, express interest in participating in the survey that they have a reasonable amount of time for their residents to engage. We typically like to have about three weeks at least for folks to be able to provide feedback from the time they hear about the survey. And so we're hoping in the next week or so that it'll be able to close, but Chad will report on some of those neighboring community discussions here in a little while.

Yeah. We'll definitely discuss that. As you're gathering thoughts, I did have a question, Whitney, and I'd never considered it. But how how do you foresee indoor recreation integrating with a a recreation facility?

I I hadn't considered that before. What does that look like? Oh, do you mean outdoor recreation? Yeah. Outdoor recreation. Yeah. So that could be a couple of different things. It could be and as you guys have planned in your recreation master plan, it's an integration of outdoor field space that could complement and be used by and support the indoor recreation center and the programs offered within the recreation facility. It could also be trail and bicycle network connections. And so looking at where the planned bike and trail connections are in the community, making sure that they can intersect with the property and people can walk, ride their bike, and of course drive to the facility, but really integrating it with the broader outdoor recreation offerings of the community.

Thank you, Whitney.

I guess I have one question. How feasible is an indoor outdoor pool, given our climate? I've seen it, you know, in in warmer climates, and maybe I'm trying to think of it as the Kearns that kinda has an indoor outdoor, but seems like with the weather and having an insulated building that and but that might be something that you've seen before or considered. Is that even feasible for this that for this climate?

It it is feasible. We would recommend two distinct facilities if that was the direction that you went in. One that was an indoor pool and a separate one that is an outdoor pool. But one of the challenges, as I noted, is that that pools are expensive. And so as a part of the Ballard King study, we're excited to see what the need is for outdoor aquatics versus indoor aquatics and have that help complement this study. We would anticipate, based off of the community feedback, that the indoor pool is a priority right now over the outdoor pool. So if funding is limited, I think that would be maybe how the options may emerge would be a facility option one base baseline lowest cost funding would maybe not have an aquatic component. The next step up would have an indoor pool component as that's what we've heard is the priority for the community. And then if there's opportunity beyond that for both an indoor and an outdoor pool, that would then be a another step up from there.

Whitney, I'd probably just say we talked about this a little bit. And maybe, if you wanna go over a little bit of the numbers on that as far as that some of the projections we talked about, not specifics, I guess, too much. But, you know, you showed us here's the potential ideas that we could put in and and what it would cost. I know one of the things that we covered was based on what people say that they're willing to pay. If we're just talking about a Nibley area, we're way more than double that if we were to build a facility that shows the types of things that we're talking about right now. And maybe that's worth discussing a little bit.

Yes. So, you know, again, pools are they're just expensive. They are they cost a lot to build. They they cost money to operate. And so, you know, to go from the indoor recreation option as a baseline, right now, we're probably targeting about a $25,000,000 facility. If we add a pool, an indoor pool component to that, we're probably looking at about a $35,000,000 facility for upfront construction. And so this is something that is going to be really important as we go back to the community and as we talk to the bond specialist is to understand what the tax what the citizens of Nibley could afford if Nibley City were to pursue this on your own. And then what would that look like if other neighboring communities came and joined forces to look at a special district, a recreation district, and Chad will speak to this in a few minutes here as well. So, again, high big picture, high level numbers, but it's important just to have that sort of in mind as we start to think about just the cost of facilities.

So on your, you you said you had about 4,700, people on the questionnaire, and about 700 of them were from Nibley. Is it possible we can get the results of those 700, like, separate them to see how how they do it? Yes.

Absolutely. Yep. And I have shared that with Chad that report, but it's probably been about three weeks. So I will send him an updated one after this meeting.

Thank you.

Of course.

Chad, are we planning on publishing this anywhere, or is this just internal to this group?

Yeah. Good question. So this is, on YouTube. This presentation will be archived, so it'll be available for anyone to watch. And I imagine that we'll post this to the, rec center study info web page for anyone to to take a look at. K. Awesome.

Chad, I don't know if you already have this. Maybe something we'll talk about more, but we had also, as a as a result of the dollars, talked about what that looks like in terms of sharing control or ownership if we were to try to add more people in, like, a district, special district, or just do it with Hiram or something like that, and how that also grows the size and the cost. I don't know if that's something we will talk about. Or Yeah. That's Michael, you're always ahead of us.

That that is on the agenda, and we will address that in general terms. K. And that's that's something that this body will need to decide in terms of giving staff direction on what to pursue, what to explore, with other communities. So, yeah, it's really a great question, and that's that's exactly where we're at right now, in terms of making decisions in in in direction. Yeah. Great question.

Hey, Whitney. And it was one of your last slides when you kind of ranked things one, two, three with adult sports, youth sports, and then the pool. I'm wondering how that was I mean, you don't have to get super technical how that was calculated, with previous questions. I know it was super close between those three how that ranking came to be because the pool just kind of outweighed just it nudged it out, I feel like Yep. Yep. And how that ranking is determined.

Admittedly, that was a little bit of experience coupled with what we heard from the survey. And with that, as I had just mentioned with some of the budget numbers we're looking at, you do get a little bit more recreation bang for your buck, if you will. You serve more users at a community level, oftentimes with an indoor dry recreation versus aquatics. And so that's why the adult and youth fitness programs rose to the top of that list. Now that doesn't mean that that's the right priority for Nibley, and we'll pull that information out as the concepts are developed.

Okay. Thank you.

One thing we might mention in terms of adult recreation is the recent parks and recreation master plan. One of the findings was that we do a great job on servicing our, excuse me, our youth. We have a great soccer program, has been has been mentioned, and many other programs. But we haven't offered a lot for adults, and so there's kind of a missing piece there. So that would kind of align with with what Winnie's talking about.

And I think the other thing that is important to note is community recreation centers are typically designed, again, for families of all ages and generations, and it is important to make sure that, for example, if you're a parent and you're bringing your kids to an activity, that there's something for you to do while you're there as well and to take advantage of the opportunity for recreation while your kid is at a basketball camp or whatever may be happening. And so while the square footage of a gymnasium or an indoor turf area might be a little bit bigger, we don't want that to come at the expense of maybe something for the adults or the senior citizens in the community as well. And so that also played into the rankings and the recommendations.

One point to that that we've talked about before also is the extended use or the different hours that something can be used because of the different groups that it caters to. We've discussed people who are willing to drive all the way to Ogden for one in the morning games to participate in adult sports, for example. Mhmm. Those guys would be nuts.

Now we know there's a market for it. Right?

The the other thing to Whitney's point, a a well built community recreation center should serve the entire community, not just a a single demographic or single population. And that's one clear difference between community recreation and and a private facility. Often, the private facility caters to one smaller group, and it's often one that that generates the the greatest profit for them, whereas the community recreation center has a different focus. And and I think we've talked about that at least in part in some of our meetings.

I don't know how many of these surveys you've done, and I and I'm thinking that it was it was a perfect time to do this survey this time of year. I don't know if that impacts if you've seen that historically.

I'm not gonna lie. It worked out really well. If you ask people in the cold of winter if they want indoor recreation, they have they have thoughts and feelings about it. You know, it's funny. I've probably done about 15 to 20 of these surveys so far, and yes, time of year matters, but, also, you all just have a very engaged citizen group, which I think is, as I mentioned, incredible and, again, passionate about what they'd like to see within the community.

That does bring up a question, Whitney. I I hadn't even thought about that, Josh. But when was that Ogden study done? Do you remember?

I would have to look and see. That one also was a wintertime survey. I think it was done in February. It was Okay. February like, it started late January, and it went through early March, if I recall correctly.

So that still adds credibility, not detracts from it then? Correct.

This was a light winter. It was a mild winter. That's right. If you would ask two years ago or eight years ago or yeah. A lot of times when we think about winter, we think, oh, that's that's one season, but Cache Valley winter's five to six months sometimes. So Sometimes seven. I

mean, we we started soccer in May and baseball in June. Yeah.

Yeah.

Excellent. Well, if you don't have a question, I'd like to ask if there'll be other times. I mean, more so questions. Maybe not so regarding the survey results, but I don't know. I don't wanna go off. Keep going if Yeah. And so the agenda, we can explore it. I guess around pools. So and I know we've we've discussed this, and and Chad's worked a lot with, like, the school district or the athletic directors. Has there been some discussion? I know currently and I've got everybody's water polo attention over there. But Mountain Crest or the pool up at Mountain Crest supports Ridgeline. Correct? And I believe Green Canyon goes to Skyview. Has there been some discussion particular specifically with pools, with the school district, or with with, Ridgeline in particular?

Yep. Justin and I did meet with Ridgeline, and, we didn't talk extensively about, aquatics, but I followed up and met with I went to an athletic director's meeting, and the superintendent over athletics did communicate that if a pool were built in the Valley, they would consider, some sort of a long term rental scenario. They're they're not interested in building, owning, or maintaining a pool, but they're interested in in utilizing a pool, at least at at the time that we had that discussion. So that has been explored in part. And we'll talk about this later, but, we'll be reporting back to them, the findings, and, we'll we'll explore possibilities and opportunities as as they present themselves.

Where does Logan swim?

Westview. Westview. Westview.

I'm learning.

We had had a stakeholder meeting here at Nibley City a couple years ago, and school board school district people were there. And the school board not school board. Sorry. Let me get my words right. The school district person over purchasing things, he actually lives in said, no. The school board wouldn't the school district is not interested in having their own pool.

One thing that's related that we might mention is that, especially spring sports, because of when they have tryouts, they're very, very interested in indoor space, both well, for the most part, turf, to, start their season. And and that's a definite need. And I believe that was soccer and lacrosse. Am I missing something? Yeah. So there's definite interest in a long term rental scenario or situation or agreement with the district for particular sports or with high schools or teams individually. So that's that's definitely been demonstrated. I guess one one moment. Note that a high school umpire has just entered the building, and he could probably speak to this very question. And he didn't hear me, but that's okay. Mayor Jacobson is here. Sorry. Josh, go ahead.

No. I I was just gonna share, I guess, the conversation that I had, and I wouldn't call him a naysayer, just somebody who's concerned and I know filled out the survey, talking about the proper role of government or the proper role of public versus private. And somebody kinda gave me this line or this thought that I hadn't considered was an indoor rec center is is a public park with that's heated and with walls. So it was kind of a discussion of, well, is it the proper role of of the city to provide a public park? And and it was kinda like, well, I don't know. We never really considered that. So I'm not saying that that we need to go out and educate, but maybe at times we do and understand that that it's it it already fits in with what the city provides for for public parks and public space and the public comment period about, mental health, especially through that five to seven month winter that we talked about. So

Alright. Thank you. Appreciate everyone's comments, and thank you, Wendy, for that presentation. Alright. Next on the agenda is discussion and consideration of support and cooperation with surrounding communities, considering indoor recreation options, including an introduction to potential alignment options for general consideration. And I will turn the time over to Chad.

Thank you, Kendall, for that. And, Michael, I believe this will answer your question at least in part. And so just to begin and and by the way, I might mention that Sandy Goodlander is here. She is with the Cache County Council, and, I saw her at a Logan open house. And, she said, boy, I'd like to learn more about, your project, and we appreciate her being here with us. So as many of you know, there's really three main facilities that that our our valley has access to. The Logan City Recreation Center, which is adjacent to really connected to the Logan High School is the access to that is going away very soon in July 1. What's interesting is they've reported that 49% of the use of that facility is from nonresidents, people outside of Logan. And I would suspect that that facility is closest to the South End, and so a lot of our community and when I say community, I mean the South End Of The Valley is likely utilizing that facility. I did learn something interesting. Their hours for the next three years, they will there will be very, very limited access to the facility to the tune of aerobics, rooms, three racquetball courts, a small gym, and, I believe, tennis and a walking track. However, those are now limited to Monday through Friday, 05:30 to 09:30PM, and Saturdays from 7AM to 7PM. However, their recreation department did admit that that could be very easily modified by the high school at any point. So, nonetheless, our access our our youth playing junior jazz basketball will not have the same access to that. And in fact, it would likely be limited to Logan residents only for junior jazz. So that was an interesting thing that I learned. We're also aware of the South or excuse me. The Smithfield Recreation Center also connected to the high school. And then we have the the Handsome Family Sports Complex, which realistically is a public private partnership with the Handsome Family Foundation, and it's really a field house and a beautiful, wonderful field house, large turf space. But the reality is there is no recreation space that is solely owned by the public. There's either a public public partnership in the case of the high schools or a public private partnership, and all of those facilities have reported that they have more demand for the space, and that actually includes Logan, than they have a space available, which is interesting, and we're learning more about that now. So one thing that I think is very interesting to look at is this. If we take a look at the Cache Valley population, roughly a third, especially when we include the unincorporated county that that is connected to many of our communities, is from the South End Of The Valley. And as we've discussed already, the distribution of of public access recreation centers is on the North End Of The Valley. We've got, you know, Smithfield, North Logan. Logan is changing, and all of them are either on the edge or beyond that fifteen minute drive time that it looks like our our community prefers or at least the South End prefers. And at at times, that fifteen minute can be a half hour or more to get to North Logan. So that's that's something that that we've considered for some time, but we're also considering that we have a sizable population, especially when we combine communities. So where are we at with communities? As has been mentioned, there have been several communities on the South End of the Valley that participated in, this very survey, and you see those above the black line. Millville chose to opt out at least at this time in terms of the survey. But the question that we have for this body, and this is in part why we're combined is, what would cooperation look like between the cities on the South End? Would we consider or explore cooperation with other cities in the middle or even on the North End to create recreation opportunities for our community and and our friends in the surrounding community. So that's that's really the question that we need to explore, and these are some things to consider. So one option that we have is we can just go alone. We can say, well, we're gonna build a Nibley facility. The reality is it would take us less time to pull that off. However, we have far less resources if it's just our community. We could combine forces, so to speak, with two or more communities, create a special service district, and I'll ask for some help on on definition about special service district in in just a moment. But it would take a little more time to create. We would have more resources depending on how many, you know, decide to join. However, it it does create more opportunity. The other option is to, look at a county solution and and do some something cooperatively with the entire county. We would anticipate that would take significantly more time. However, we would have the maximum number of resources, and we'll we'll outline some details on that. But before I go too far, Nick Kentska, who nearly made it to our parks and rec committee, he was a candidate, but he was stolen for the planning and zoning, but he has some specific experience in terms of special service districts and taxing. And if he wouldn't mind taking a minute to just share what he's learned, I asked him a a question that I was curious about. So if we could hand him the mic, that would be helpful.

Hello. Nick Kentska. 587 West 3600 South. I'm not here to talk about pools. Sorry. Unless and I I need to. I'm I'm in support of. Joking. So I work at the Utah State Tax Commission. Have a little bit of experience with with special service districts and taxing entities, things like that. And lucky for us, in this context, we're not we this is not a new, idea. Right? So there's plenty of recreation special special service districts throughout the state. I'm gonna bore you of the details. We'll talk very high level now. But, essentially, a district like this would come under what's called a 17 d special service district. And there's obviously rules involved and different things like that. Essentially, there'd be, like, a board elected. To create the district, it'd have to be registered with the lieutenant governor's office, and that would have to go to a vote of the people to create the district. And then once the district's created, then essentially that just triggers different mechanisms in terms of what a bonding situation looks like and so on and so forth. Just like any other district, like think of, like, an HOA as an example. HOA has a budget. It gets voted on by the residents of the HOA, something very similar to that. What's cool with special service districts is essentially just like in this context, right, where you can have multiple communities that would participate and those communities would essentially have to go vote again to enact upon the special service districts and be a part of it as well. And so but effectively, then once the the the district is voted upon and enacted, and then that's when the basically, you'd come up with a bond. Right? And then you kinda work backwards from there in terms of how long is the bond, what are the terms, different things like that. And then that's basically how you would collect property taxes at a specific rate going forward. And just like Nibley City has to go through truth and taxation, different things like that. It's no different in terms of the rates, and we're not gonna we won't get on the weeds with that. But, essentially, there's a model out there already that exists for many communities that have special service districts for recreation. So I'd advise if that's something that this board and the city and and surrounding cities want to explore, there's plenty of options out there to look at as far as models. And so, yeah, there's plenty of, like I said, recreation based service districts for this purpose actually in Utah that were created to build a rec center. So we're we would have an advantage there, I think. Yeah. Click. You have a question? Shoot.

So I hope I need to stand up at the mic, but, Nick, this this I mean, thank you. Don't go away because you have to answer this question. Right here. The timing And so when you said there would be a vote to create the district, is that a referendum vote on the ballot, or is that, elected official vote? I think it's the ballot. Okay.

So, Nick, your understanding is that you create the district first and then you go to bond. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is that how you understand it?

So we And and it all depends on the pass by vote. Right?

And so I'm not arguing at all, Nick. We created a special service district to collect trash, and we did that by the representatives of the citizens as opposed to the citizens. Now that district has limitations. It it's their own bylaws that keep that that special service district from taking out bonds, from borrowing money, etcetera, etcetera. But this is something for us to figure out because there's only so many election cycles. Right? The next municipal election cycle will be this November. There'll be another one in two years. And if we're if we're trying to do something on a referendum, then and we have to first create the district by the people, which I'm not arguing with, but then we also have to create the the debt by a vote of the people. That's just something for us to keep our eye on. K? Definitely. If we if we go that middle route. Thanks, Nick. I appreciate the information. Yeah. Thank you. That was my question as well.

And I don't know if Whitney's still on, but is that your understanding, Whitney, if you are still on?

Yes. Sorry. My camera is not working, but that is my understanding.

Wonderful. Thank you for confirming that. Mhmm. Of course. Okay. So let me just kind of outline some some considerations for each of these three options for these these bodies here present. So as mentioned, the Nibley only is the fastest. We have full control. Obviously, we're gonna be close to Nibley residents. It would be in our town. We're very likely to secure a bond based on the five times that we've asked our community if you want indoor recreation. It might be six, actually. The challenge is and and this has already been mentioned. We would likely exceed the demand, from the moment we build it, and that may include the demand for just Nimbly residents. So it's and and, obviously, Ballard and King would help us explore that. But in our general estimation, whatever we might be able to afford to build right now would likely be exceeded. However, independently, we could easily explore public private partnerships that could maybe supplement some some space available to the public. We could also look at kind of putting a stake in the ground, creating a space where others may come later. If if there was a county effort or or other cities decide later, let's create a special service district, we would already have a space to add on or expand offerings. Special service district, lots of advantages. Go ahead. Sorry.

Maybe it's because I just came from umpiring a baseball game. I'm I'm ready to have discussions and argue about stuff right now. Just make the call. Clearly, he was violating the runner's lane. He should be called out for runners to. So if we go back a slide, Chatham Yes. I'm not arguing with you. I promise I'm not arguing with you. But one of the things I have learned as mayor is never pretend to know what the council's gonna do Yes. And never pretend to know what the citizens will do if we put something to a vote. So I think there is no such thing as likely to secure. And, again, I'm arguing about words, but I think that we will have a more healthy approach to all of this. And, in fact, our citizens and the whole anyone who who sees this on a ballot will feel better about knowing that I mean, I certainly don't consider this a slam dunk. If if we want this to happen, it's gotta be such a great proposal that people vote for it. And, I mean, even even random polls that go out and try to predict how elections are gonna go, as we found out, it might go a little different than they suspect. So I'm just saying Yeah. That's I would probably tone that that statement back a little bit. There's no there's no likely anything.

We're just trying to figure it out. Yeah. Nothing is is certain. That's that's for sure. I I appreciate you making that call, mayor. Hope hope to not strike out on the rest of the presentation. But, yeah, you're you're absolutely right. Nothing is absolutely certain. So in terms of the special service district option, as been mentioned by Nick, there's lots of, examples, South Davis Rec Center, the the Kerns, Ochre Mountain. There's some things happening in Park City and and others. So that there's certainly some precedents there, and we can learn a lot of lessons from them. The advantages in combining efforts is we simply have more resources. We're likely to get a larger facility. We can meet more needs. Depending on who we partner with, it could still be close to Nibley, perhaps even be in Nibley. The challenges are we lose some control of the facility. However, we could still potentially pursue public private partnerships and something down the road if, other things come together. In terms of a, kind of more of a countywide, combined solution, the advantages are clear. We would have the maximum number of resources if a bond is passed. We would that would result in the largest facility or facilities if there's more than one, and there's some debate already about that. We're more likely to meet the needs of of the Valley Valley wide. The challenges for a small city like ours is we would likely have little to no control. And I know some of the communities that we've already spoken to have concern just, you know, looking at combining forces with us. If this is by far the longest timeline in terms of the creation, there's definitely a question of location, who would operate it, who would manage it. The county has already expressed this that they have no experience in in indoor recreation. They don't have a recreation department, and, currently, they have not expressed interest in in creating one. And so it would likely be a special service district scenario for the entire county. So, those are really the three general options. There there there could potentially be some combinations of those, and I should plug my yeah. Let me plug that in fast.

Okay. Okay. You got one?

Okay. I have one amp. I have one right here. Do you wanna plug in the extension cord that's underneath there? Yeah. The worst thing that could happen is we can just lose this whole thing and have to reconnect. Yeah. That would be perfect. Okay. There we go. Thank you, Justin. Okay. Fully powered now. So I guess, really, the and and this is quite honestly my recommendation in terms of what I would consider proceeding with, at least right now, is looking at a south special service district, and the reasons are listed there. Clearly, we we've made the point that the South End Of The Valley is underserved. I personally do feel, and and in talking with my colleagues, that that local service is is better service. We would have reasonable control over a a space. I feel like it's a reasonable timeline to create something, and we still have some options to to exercise. So that that would be my suggestion or recommendation, but that's certainly something both of these bodies could explore and and debate and discuss. So the real question is, again, who would we cooperate with? We already have a relationship with Hiram City and Wellsville in terms of serving their community for youth sports especially, and that has gone very well for us. We do have some connections with the other cities on the South End Of The Valley, and they have participated in a survey, but the next step is exploring with them. The other question is if if we went on our own and somebody else on the North or middle went on their own, are there other ways that we could intersect and cooperate and work together? So the other thing that's come out of some of these discussions, especially internally and and including discussions we've had with the parks and recreation committee, is we foresee the possibility of creating a recreation campus. And on that campus, you may have a community recreation center. And across the parking lot or maybe even adjacent to it, you have, a private facility, and maybe it's a youth sports league that's put together a turf field in a metal building. If the school decided, hey. You know what? We are short facilities for our high schools. Could we perhaps join the effort? And there's really a lot of advantages in terms of collocating recreation, and a special service district could help facilitate that. And having a sufficient piece of land could certainly facilitate that. The other thing that it also creates is perhaps an opportunity to accommodate more in terms of economic development and picking up travel and tourism dollars, and we'll talk a little bit about that later. The reality is if this were to be the case and the focus, it would have to be phased. It would have to be kind of master planned. And so that's that's something that would have to be considered. So those are really the points that I wanted to make in terms of that topic. And when you're ready, happy to move forward with with item number six. And Kendall or city council, I'm happy to to use the backspace to look at any of these slides if you wanna have discussions on those.

There was a question, and I don't know if that's If you wouldn't mind speaking in the mic just so everyone There was a question from the public. I was just wondering if that is still still have a question and if that is still allowed.

That's really up to Kendall if she wants to address that or entertain that. Over there? You you still have a question. At us, I guess. Right? I just have a question about If you wouldn't mind, we're gonna hand you a mic just so we make sure we don't lose your your question.

Because there's Check your mic. Yes. Who you are? My name is John Pierce. I live here in Nibley 3138. We just moved. So give me a second.

Nibley is great. We'll find you.

South 1250 West, just down the street here. As we're going through the numbers, I didn't see any projections of population growth. The data that we're using was 2020 census. Yeah. What does that look like in in relation to funding providing funding for for this future future effort? I think there was another question, but I forgot. So we'll we'll just go with that one for now, and thank you.

Yeah. That's that's a very good question, and that's something that, we discussed with VCBO. I believe and I wish our city planner was here, but I believe Cache County grows 2% per year. And this graph graph happens to kind of highlight that. And so that's that's a consideration in terms of how do we accommodate that, you know, looking forward inside of a facility, but then that also creates potentially some more funding sources if we have more people. The the other thing that I might mention that I forgot to to point out is there is cost in waiting. The longer that we wait, the more expensive it is to create a space. The last time I remember a turndown in the construction was 2008, I believe, which is quite some time ago. So that's that's definitely been something of concern, that we've discussed in the parks and recreation committee at least. So I'm gonna have to I remember my my question. So my second question was

with the flow of traffic. Most of the traffic flows into the city through the South End. So is there any way to capitalize, or is that taking into consideration when we're talking about a rec center? Because people are gonna be coming by it. It's not necessarily every living living on the North End, it's coming through the South End to get to the larger population base of South. So how does that weigh into what we're doing? I mean, to me, it makes sense. I don't have the data that that's gonna draw additional people on the way home or going someplace, stop by the rec center, have a good time for a few hours, and then go home. And, I came late. Sorry. I just wanna chime in one more thing. My kids are inactive actively in, sports. I have three kids that play water polo, but they also swim. And we're at a lot of these other rec centers all the time, especially in the winter, and they are packed. People are using them. My sister lives in Springville. She lives right next to the rec center. She's there every single day with her young kids. It's I know. I just I find it hard to believe that this could be a loss for the community. Maybe financially, there's more considerations. I I will grant that, but overall health for the community, I I can't help but think this is a real win. Thank you.

Chad, I can address his first question about location. If you think of the school board, they're a public entity. It's Nibley City or I mean, school district. I always get anyways, we're a public entity. With public like, they're building a middle school in the middle of Nibley because that's where they own land. And they're building their middle school and elementary school on the North End because they already own the land. Nibley already owns land. And so when we already own the land, then that cuts down on the cost. Even though it may not be right on the highway, you may have to come off just a little bit to get to it. But, yes, the location is is key, and but it's where do we own the land? If we didn't own land, where can we acquire land? So that's part of that consideration as far as location.

I think I see somebody else waving at you. I will say that site selection is a part of this study, and so that's definitely going to be explored.

So I just wanna drop a comment on on on the land issue. The comment that I've made and and I've got a my boss is from back east. Sounds weird right here all of a sudden. It's just really loud. You could step back, and it'll still pick you up. That was weird. Anyway, so my my boss from back east, but he lives here in Nibley now. He the comment that that he and I were bouncing off each other the other day is I I'm coming to the thought of this needs to be something that can be a like, a community center, not just like a recreation center. Where's Main Street in Nibley? Can anybody answer that question? Is it 165? Is it 3200? Is it 800? Main Main Street is 165. Yeah. It it Nibley doesn't I don't feel like we have a character. We don't have a a place that we can call our own in Nibley. If we do something like this, that can be a community center for us. It it to me, it it gives us something to rally around. Right? Like, we do the we do the parade down 800 West, and but that's not that's not Main Street. Is that Main Street? I don't know. Is this Main Street? It it feels weird. That's why I feel like this gives us a heart.

Thank you. Yeah. Recreation centers can definitely be an anchor. I think Justin wants to say something to that point.

Not exactly to that point, but to the point of having discussion as you think about as you decide versus small versus big district or or whatnot. But just crunching some numbers here pretty quick. 35,000,000 bond, if we ain't wanna aim high at $20 per household, is a annual payment of or just over $2,000,000 at about 400,000 to 500,000 operational cost. That is 10,500 homes. Need to pay $20 a month to cover that annual payment, if that makes sense. So that's about 4.4 times as many homes as Nibley City has in it right now.

So I'm tracking. Does that make sense? Mhmm.

He said current numbers. Yeah. So you can see the need for cooperation with other communities just based on those those rough numbers. And I think that answers your question specifically. Right, Michael? Well, kind of. Because what we do when we say that,

and this is what we talked about before is we're talking about a cost that in order to fill what we believe we want right now, within the control of the number of people that want to use it and will therefore not feel like it's overused or they can't get in because there's too many people, we're over four times the cost of getting that. So by lowering the cost, including more people, say we get Hiram and Wellsville and Mendon and River Heights and Millville and everybody else jumps on, well, now we've lowered the cost back to where we think it's okay, but we've Out of time, the number of people. And so we're we're now at a a facility that doesn't fill the needs potentially anymore. It's

just that that mismatch of what we say we want and how much we want to use it versus what it's going to cost, what we're willing to pay. Yeah. And where is that balance? And I I guess related to that question is if we went on our own, we know and North Logan knows this very well. Yep. Everyone's going to want in even if we have a nonresident fee, you know, for teams or individuals coming into a facility. It it would be utilized

extensively. So I think we have proof of that everywhere. Right? We've we've talked about this a lot, but no matter what we build, there's going to be more interest in it than what it can actually support. Right. So the question is what where do the charges then represent that interest,

and what does that actually mean for the people who are paying for it? Unfortunately, we have Ballard and King to help us navigate that, and they've done that countless times. So yeah. Great point. Great questions.

Was there another comment over there? Yeah. Yeah. It please.

I'm Sandy Goodlander from the Cache County Council. One thing that I wanted to make sure when we do our county study and that I think you guys should be very clear about with your residents as you'd go through this process. Like, they're saying they would pay an extra $20 a month in their property taxes or whatever to build something like this. The other component of that is every recreation center government owned recreation center in the state charges a fee to use it. Do the residents really understand that if they pay for it with their property taxes, they're still going to have to pay a membership fee to use it, a family membership fee? I was just at the Provo Recreation Center. Their city built one. Today, I went down there, and there it's about $500 a year, $5.50 for a family to use it. So that that other component of that question, would you pay this much in your property taxes? But do you also understand that there will be a fee to use the facility to make sure people understand that so they're not shocked. Like, oh, wait a minute. I said I'd pay for it. You're gonna charge me to use it and and just make sure that's understood.

So I think that's important. Yeah. That definitely has to be clear. And that that happens when a bond is presented, that folks would have those numbers. You would pay this much in your property tax. We anticipate these being the fees for membership or daily use or nonresident use based on the pro form a that Ballard and King puts together. Yeah. Critical piece. Thank you, Sandy.

Okay. Anything else? I think we're good to move on to our next agenda item. Recreation indoor recreation feasibility study. Next steps and timeline discussion and consideration, reporting back to stakeholders, visioning and concept creation, focus group considerations, funding mechanisms, including the consideration plan for public private partnerships. Go ahead, Chad. It's a lot of stuff. Oh, man. It's a mouthful. Those are some big words. Yeah. It's alright.

Alright. So we'll we'll jump into this. I checked this timeline with Whitney this morning, if she's still on and and has any other feedback about this. But this is our current timeline. It it may be adjusted based on what we just learned about special service districts if that's the route that's determined we need to pursue. We we've finalized I'm gonna put quotes around that. Data collection. Clearly, people want to make their voice heard, and they've continued the conversation. At this point, we're reporting back to stakeholders, and that includes surrounding communities. It includes the school district. It includes youth sports, teams that are interested in long term rental scenarios. In April, basically, next week, we'll explore facility concepts and hopefully narrow that to one in May. Once we have that single concept, as I explained to Aaron, we will be able to put numbers together in terms of what is it gonna cost the property owner in terms of property tax, what will it be for their membership if they choose to purchase that, and what would it be if they decided to just come, you know, on a daily basis and and pay the daily fee? In August 6 on August 16 is a is a firm deadline. That is when we would have decide if we're gonna put together a bond language. Again, that may be modified depending on special service district. And then, the election is in November, and so that would be on the ballot, potentially, for participating communities. And that could be just Nibley. It could be Nibley and others, depending on the direction we decide to go. So that's general time line. So what does reporting back to communities look like? Obviously, we're having a discussion today. April 2, VCBO and I will be in Wellsville, May 1 in Hiram, and May 8 in Mendon. The others were working out a schedule. If Millville, were to request information or or got curious about what we're doing, we're happy to share, the information that we have, with them. But they've declined it so far at this point. So that's that's the local areas in terms of the South End, in terms of reporting back. Reporting back to the school district, again, we'll talk to the athletic directors that that we've had discussions with, coaches that have been interested, as well as youth sports programs that have reached out to us and provided some of their their feedback and expressed some of their interests. Really, the next step, and this is where we lean heavily on BCBO, is that visioning piece, and they have tremendous experience in this. Lots of recreation centers under their belt, including the Provo Recreation Center that Sandy mentioned, and actually worked there. That's where I started my recreation career. But they're gonna look at, hey. How big should this be? What amenities do we need in it? How does it flow? How does it fit together? And we really have the best of the best to do that. We've already talked about Ballard and King and what their role is. One very important thing, especially in our current environment, is looking at the cost to build, and that is a challenging thing to to put your finger on in the current economy. But Construction Control Corporation has a lot of experience in that. So those are next steps. As been mentioned, the plan is to do focus groups with at least the seniors. Depending on the direction that we go, we may have other conversations with performing arts, with aquatics folks, and perhaps others, but those are potential next steps to kind of refine some of the questions that we have. We need to figure that out, that indoor outdoor pool if we're gonna pursue it. Did you have something you wanna share, Justin, or are you just waving? Okay. We're telling Erin bye. Erin stepped out. In terms of funding mechanisms, and this is really kind of a summary, but these are the most common. For community recreation centers, the most common funding is a general obligation bond. We've already talked about membership fees. One thing that Provo City does very well at is pursuing corporate memberships with businesses as a kinda health and wellness benefit. A facility rental can be a tremendous benefit for a facility. In Nephi, they built something called the Hive, and they pay for all of their operational costs with, I think, three tournaments. And so we could explore a model like that potentially even on our own if we had the right funding in the right facility. However, we have to consider access to the public. Already been mentioned, sponsorship, naming rights, donations, grants. In terms of travel and tourism, they would look at funding something if it if it's a facility that would accommodate people coming from out of town. We've talked about public public partnerships. I don't know that I personally would recommend that based on what we've talked about other than long term rental agreements. Sharing a facility is difficult. Public private partnerships, we have become acquainted with lots of opportunities that we hope to kind of hone in on and better understand how they might fit, and I'll explain how that might work. So the reality is with, and we've mostly been ex been approached from youth sports organizations that may wanna collocate, with us or utilize facilities as well as others. But the idea is we put out a request for proposals, and my colleagues in Arizona have done this and other places. And we asked them, if you build a facility next to or near ours, what would the percentage of public use be? And, generally, we get credit for land that they put that on if it's on our public land, and we we look for a win win in in that case. So, quite honestly, there's a lot of opportunities here. It's just a matter of what would be the best one, to contribute to the community and and complement what we might wanna do. And that's really it. Any questions for me before you have discussion?

Is it Perl's getting tested?

He said the battery's dead. Any questions, comments for Chad?

I have a sorry. I have a question, but I'm trying to look at the surveys, and this might be more for Whitney. It reminded me of the the various surveys that were available. Wondering what the response has been from private businesses as well as I'm trying to remember. There was the there was the public one, and then there was businesses and then youth sports, or is that the same one? Nope. You're exactly right. So we had a public survey.

We had great response. We had about, gosh, 25 responses on our youth sports programs, and the majority of the folks from the various youth sports organizations are interested in renting space in the facility. We had, one or two folks who responded to that survey say that they might be able to help support some upfront costs, but for the most part, the respondents wanted indoor recreation space available that they could rent to use for their youth sports programs. Unfortunately, on the business survey, we did not get a good response rate. I think we had one response, and it may have been Chad testing it out. So That's a favorable physical therapist that was interested in I I presume that he I think he did complete that anyway. Yeah. Okay. I'll I'll circle back and look at that one. I think that that one was a good opportunity. We did have some really good conversations with potential businesses in our stakeholder engagement that I think were were great discussions to follow-up on. And so we had sort of those those three distinct surveys. We had the businesses. We had the youth sports. And then at the very end, we did add a survey for groups that were not youth sports organizations but community groups that might be interested in using the space, and we do have a handful of responses there. I need to circle back to that one. I have not looked at it in the last two weeks, but I think that there were three or four responses on that survey as well. Yeah. I did find the page, the other director survey that was not athletic or sports, but, yeah, that's good feedback. Yep. And then the other thing that we did talk about at the end of this process that I did want to note as well is if the city does decide that they want to, form a special service district and go to bond, we have discussed, the potential of doing a statistically valid voter based survey. And that survey what we have been doing is very much a open community input serie or survey. Anybody with a link can jump on, take the survey. They can share it with folks in their household. People can provide feedback on an ongoing basis. It's very open and accessible to the public. A statistically valid survey would reach out to specific voters and, voter groups within the community, and it would very clearly, as we had talked about, talk about the, potential facility, the cost to construct the facility, the cost to operate the facility, the ongoing tax impact, and the membership costs for that as well to gauge interest, in whether or not folks are willing to pass a bond. And so that's something that would make a lot of sense prior to going to bond just to really be rooted in the perspective of the community once they have that additional information at hand.

Thank you.

I guess one thing that I might mention is for both of these bodies is if there's any direction in terms of how we might proceed moving forward as a staff, we we just appreciate that. So far, it's been just keep going. Don't stop now. And and if there's another message, we'd like to hear it. But, otherwise, we'll just continue with what we've been doing.

Yes. Umpire. Umpire. We need to session now. Yeah. For sure.

So I I appreciate, Whitney, so much how much the help that you have given us on trying to figure out this question of scale. So thank you so much, Chad. You understand that. We've talked about it tonight. Sandy, you're here trying to help us figure that out. The question of scale the question of scale. What can we build and what can we afford to build? Right? So when I this is why I don't get invited invited to parties anymore because I'm I'm just I'm just a worst caseer. He is the engineer, umpire engineer. I don't know. But I'm just thinking, what could screw us up? What could screw us up? How do we You're a realist. Yeah. And I I I'm I'm getting the feeling that we may be going into a referendum still answering the question of scale Because we I'm not sure how to ask a black and white question of the voters to say, would you pay this much money to build this facility? And by the way, it's gonna take this much money to operate the facility. Therefore, we anticipate this kind of fee. But it it may not be that black and white of a question. It might be that I you know, as a voter, I envision that there's going to be a pool for water polo, and I'll vote yes for that. But if the surrounding communities, right, don't don't get on board with us, then we might be still trying to figure out scale. Right? So now we can't afford to build that, and then people that voted yes for something conditional on it being that thing are now disappointed. I don't know if that you know, what that does legally to the to the referendum and everything else. But I'm trying to if I put it in a nutshell, I'm trying to figure out how we because I believe these referendums have to be very simple. They have to be very direct. They have to be very black and white. Would you pay this much money to build this facility? The question I'm trying to figure out if we can ask, or less money to build something smaller if other communities don't get on board with us or more money, you know, to build something bigger if Whitney, do you have any experience on that on how we can actually go to a a referendum on that question of scale still being on the table?

So in all of the work that I've done over the years, we have never gone out to the public for a referendum or for funding without understanding scale budget and tax base. And so the first question is who which communities want to participate in this? What is the tax base? Knowing that tax base, we work with bond advisers to say this is the amount of money that could be available from that tax base based off of the feedback we've gotten from the community. And then as an architecture and planning firm, we then say this is the size of of facility that you can get for those dollars. And so I think those three to your point, Meredith, those three questions absolutely need to be answered. Who's who's the tax base? How much tax potential is that?

Making sense when I worry that it's not a guaranteed tax base? Because, I mean, I think maybe maybe we ask the question. Everybody every community maybe the question is every community has to say, yes. We're on board with this in order to do it. Or or you know the communities who have said yes,

and that becomes your special service district. Right?

Well, we may not know what communities actually say yes until their voters go into a a a ballot team session. I mean, we we can survey. We can know we know what we know, and I always worry about, as I said before, what what what are the voters actually going to approve? Right.

So we are already behind because we don't have a special services account and we need to vote on special services

Well

on this next Yeah. That's a great question that Nick brought up Nick Kinska brought up is, you know, do we do we have to do a vote of do we have to do a referendum to form the special services? We have to figure that out. I don't know. Now we're getting into attorney stuff, and I don't wear that hat. So we have to figure that out. And and that's all about the timing. Right? We we if yeah. I think we've covered that. We need to figure that timing out. And, I mean, I would love it if there's just we know that we can ask the voters a black and white question. Would you pay this much money to build this facility for this and pay for this many years? And then if Hiram says, no. We're not doing it. What do we do then? Right? Build something smaller for less money, but that's not what people voted on. Okay. I'm I'm I'm I'm not trying to be pessimistic. I'm just trying to figure out how we how we get this thing done.

I what's the I kinda counter to that. What's the risk? Like, we put it to a vote. They say no. We dissolve the district. I mean, is that really all that happens? I mean, those who want the rec center maybe don't get it, or we get something smaller. We put it to another vote of, well, then are you willing to pay this amount for this facility? Again, if they say no, then there's like, it just there's not really a the negative is we don't get what this room clearly wants, but I don't necessarily see that there's, like, a we don't lose much

by Yeah. Great great points if I understand right what you're asking, Caitlin. So first of all, just from a practical point of view, elections are expensive, and it's gonna cost us money to do an election every two years. But it's not an it's we do elections every two year municipal elections every two years anyway. But I'm not sure that we can't iterate on this question of a referendum very many times, Number one, before people get tired of it is, like, we said no, and why are you still asking us? Right? And then if if if if we don't understand if we don't get the answer on this November, we we could ask a different question next November

sorry, two years from November, and it just takes a long time. You know the demand. Sure. You know, and so Yeah. I my thought is, though I mean, yeah, maybe we ask twice. Maybe it's just once. If they say no and it's a resounding no Yeah. That's kind of our answer. And maybe we say, k. Well, indoor rec space, it's not gonna happen that that way through taxpayer money.

And I think we need to talk to an attorney about what if we get three communities that say yes and one that says no. Yeah. And the people in the communities that voted yes say, wait a minute. I voted for that. Mhmm. I voted for a pool. And now you're telling me you can't afford to build a pool because only three communities voted yes. And I we kinda talked about this in a previous meeting, I feel like, where

it was kind of an all or nothing. So if one community didn't, then or I guess it was it wasn't by community. It was by percentage. So maybe one community didn't, but it was still the majority of people. That's kinda what I remember talking about is it was, like, an all or nothing

type deal with whoever was voting on it. Is that correct? First of all, I'm a best case scenario person. You know that. And that's why we balance each other. On average, we got it. And Justin and I have had conversations about this. And we're we're right there. And it's we make a great combination. But I think Whitney answered it. We would not put that in front of the people until we know already what that base is. So if there let's say there's four communities we approach and one drops out and says, you know, we don't wanna go all the way to bond with you, then we would adjust that that center, that design, that ask to match those that are that are voting on it. Does that make sense? Do do I have that right, Whitney?

Like, we have to have that tax base fig figured out first before we put it in front of them. Yeah. But that's a decision of the governing body to put it in front of the citizens. And if the if the city council of Hiram says, no. We're out. Then we know we're out. But if the city council of Hiram says, yes. We will put this on the ballot. We actually don't know if Hiram is in or out until their citizens vote, and then we count the citizen votes.

But it's not because Hiram citizens predominantly said no doesn't mean that the bond doesn't pass. Right? It's a general Okay. Obligation bond that requires a majority. So if of the citizens that are in that district, those who

voted voted against it, then it doesn't pass. If the majority vote for it, then you get it. Right? So it's an all or nothing like we talked about. Mhmm. Yeah. Get about jurisdictional boundaries is what we're saying. The jurisdictional boundary is the is the special service district that was either created by a vote or would be supported by a bond. Okay. Yeah. We had that very specific question. That question before, and I will give you credit for being consistent with anything.

Well, that question has come up, and, yeah, I'm glad we can understand it.

I have one more question and one more opinion to kinda mix into one. It wasn't until I actually took the survey because we've I mean, anytime you think about a rec center, you probably think, oh, for sure, it's gonna have sports courts. It's gonna have basketball courts. But if you I don't know. If you think about how many basketball courts are in Cache Valley if you considered the schools and the churches, and I can go to any any basketball court anytime I want if I know the right person, I guess, given access to the to the to the building. The company that you were talking about, I know that they is that the same one that we've discussed previously about evaluating the needs?

Ballard and King. Yes. Ballard

and King? Yeah. And do they consider, like, the schools and the churches as

public access or no? I think I know the answer, but Whitney will answer it. Thank you, Whitney.

The answer is it depends. So churches typically no because it's limited to who can use that facility. Right? It's not considered public use. The schools, it would depend on if the schools have a program or an opportunity where the public can rent the space. But they'll they'll evaluate the existing market, understand how many courts are available, and

are those courts really available to the public or not. Or is it like you were saying, if you know the right person and is that then really, you know, publicly available? Publicly available. Mhmm. Because, I mean, I know it was an example, but when I went to the landing page for the survey, and and I think you showed it on one of your slides, there's 30 basketball standards on the example for a community or rec center. And I'm just like, no. I I wouldn't I would have said no way to that if when I wouldn't pay for it because it wouldn't serve necessarily my needs. But that's just that's just my opinion, and that obviously doesn't override

the the results of the survey. So And, you know, the other thing that we do see, especially with community recreation facilities, is there's then a basketball program, right, or a volleyball program or whatever that thing is that let's say it's like a junior jazz that needs a certain number of courts to operate. And that's another consideration is how many courts do you need to serve the programs that you're also offering from a recreation perspective. So it's a combination of what's in the market, but also what programs or services are valued by your community.

Yeah. And I forgot one of my questions, but you you reminded me. And I guess one other point is I I don't know how many people when they think sports court, they think, oh, yeah. I want a place to play pickleball. But if I'm gonna play pickleball, I don't want it on a basketball gym floor. I want it on a pickleball

flooring. And I don't know if that was separated out in the survey or not. So pickleball was separated out, but it was also considered one of the court sports. And that's always a question that we get into as we refine the project is what what are the sports that are being offered in that gym, and what are the finishes or the flooring that's most appropriate? And Chad and I were joking before the meeting. The Clyde Recreation Center that has that blue floor that we showed a couple of different times, they specifically went to a sport court instead of a wood floor so that their community could get broader use out of it. They could play pickleball. They weren't worried about if people brought food in to the space versus a wood floor is something that you need to keep a little bit better eye on to make sure that it's well maintained over the years. And so that's always a great conversation. The basketball enthusiasts want wood. The flexible youth people want sport court, and we can resolve that later.

And last one, and that's the one this is the one you remind me of. Chad mentioned junior jazz. Is that program then not gonna be able to utilize the Logan rec center. Is that included?

I've I've asked both Logan and the junior jazz director at a conference that I attended. So junior jazz will be significantly reduced and is likely going to be just Logan residents and and maybe even limited leagues. That's in part what drove us to explore the question because we knew that they were servicing us for that program. In fact, at one point, they said, Chad, please take this over. We have all of your kids from Nibley. And, anyway, we take their soccer. But yeah. So junior jazz will be impacted significantly, and and I don't know that the high school programs could fully assimilate them based on access to the courts that they have and when people would want to or need to play. So there's definitely a deficit there in terms of junior jazz, and junior jazz is very excited about the possibility of another space in Cache Valley to accommodate their program.

Yeah. I think the sports or the high school basketball programs really favor the the competitive. And if you play during even their rec time, you're playing their competitive teams. And so I I think junior jazz is just definitely a good service to the to the community.

So Heather has a comment towards that. Sorry. Can I just speak to for a mic if if that's alright, Heather? Sorry. I have my kid. Yeah. The Well, your The YouTube recording needs it, though. You can hear me from paradise. I'm sure.

I just to speak a little bit to the pickleball, but and you talk about public and private sector. I think that's where you really get some great cooperation and some partnerships because where you you know, especially if you're, like, a serious pickleball player and you're like, I don't want the multi sport court. That's not gonna work for me. You're going to your private sector. And as you start to work towards with public and private sectors and, you know, your three point o's, your beginners, they don't care if you have a multi you know, they just wanna come play and exercise. There may be some seniors who aren't as interested in, you know, competition. But then you have a partnership with, you know, private facilities that are for your four point o is your four point fives that actually wanna play on Sport court. Right, not a not a general use sport court. So that's where you start to get these cooperations in with your facilities. Just really quickly to speak to speak to pickleball, Green Canyon has a club ran by a really fantastic family in the valley that are huge into pickleball, have some pro players in their family. Mountain Crest is starting theirs back up and looking for a place for their pickleball club to go. Again, when we talk about spring sports, you talked about, like, only basketball. You're talking about tennis needs courts. You're talking about sport or, you know, baseball, softball. Any spring sport is looking for an indoor facility starting in, you know, December. And even I mean, I my kids my daughters wrestle at Mountain Crest, and we're in freestyle wrestling. Well, now we're competing with every other, you know, boys volleyball who just got sanctioned. You're you're you just constantly are competing with somebody at some place whether you're in season or out of season of sport. So you really have some great partnerships with private facilities as they come up that can then also service your community members. But right? The rec center serves one need. Private serves a different need, and they can work really well together. So

Thank you, Heather. We discovered that as we, toured the Farmington facility. Justin and I walked through that, and I've been through that several times filled with pickleballers, and they're the ones, twos, and threes in terms of play level. And then there's a private facility that takes care of the next level experience. And that's in general what a community recreation center does. We we offer the introduction, the basic experience, and the private sector goes kinda next step or next level. And that's generally reflected in the fits and finishes of of a facility. Great question, though.

Alright. We will adjourn our city combined city council meeting at this time. To do that, or does that Kendall do that? Does she show you Do I can do that or do I I can give it back to you. I don't care. I don't know. This is my first real meeting. We just elected Kendall. They just elected me last month. They were all I'm so glad we did.

Great job. I'll just accept general consent from council members present to adjourn the portion of involving city council. Seeing no objection, city council's adjourned.

Thank you.

Thank you. You're welcome to stay.

Hey, Winnie.

So it is 08:30. As it says to resume regular Nibley Parks and Rec Advisory Committee meeting, which would be a report on the spring summer sports. How fast can you do that, Chen? I think I can do it in five minutes or less. Should we try it?

Do we Let me find it. Do we have to motion to go longer? We just go longer. I think we use emotion. It's it's up to you, but probably a good idea to motion. Yes. How would that be?

No. We never end at 08:30. What are you talking about? We don't but we're like, hey. Let's talk about this next time. We we keep Not once. We push things.

Yeah.

Just always. Alright. You ready? Should we fire through it? It it's up to you guys. It's Who knows? I think the timer just started. I'm good at distracting, but I think I know why they had us up here is because there's an election this year, and they're looking for do I nominate I nominate?

No nominations. None.

Alright. I'd go.

Yeah. I'm setting a timer. Ready, set, go. K. Let's go. So Royalty Academy pageant is May. It looks like good numbers. Newly chosen theater still open in terms of sign ups. However, the speaking roles are taken. I'm sure. Indirect, that just wrapped up tonight. A 119 purse or excuse me. Super Start Soccer just wrapped up tonight. A 119 participants. Great program. T ball starts April 9, and we have significantly more participants this year compared to last, but not quite as many as soccer. So doing well with that. We have over a thousand participants in our spring soccer. We're breaking records. You Utah State was here today to do a coach clinic. They'll be here to do a player clinic later in the season. People love our program. It's already been mentioned, but just really doing well. One thing I might mention, it might be on another slide, but roughly half, depending on the league, come from outside of Nibley City. So it's something that we might wanna consider as we get short on fields. This is what the growth in spring soccer looks like, just spring soccer. I imagine we'll exceed twelve fifty next year easily. Fall is always less, but growing tremendously. This is what the growth last year looked like. We're likely to continue on that trend. Participation in in softball, t ball, baseball, so far at three fifty, we're working through waiting lists. In general, these programs do not grow tremendously. They they kinda maintain a status quo in terms of participation, limited in part by availability of fields. High school softball, still open, and it will be open until May 11. So if if you know high schoolers, I encourage them to participate. We do have an end of season party. Ultimate Frisbee opens April, so does Nerf Tag. Well, Nerf Tag at the April. Great program. That is a public private partnership. Duck and Dodge offers the program. We do the the registration and really works beautifully for both of us. Youth cross country, great program. Opens April. We have a lot of soccer players jumping into that one. Season July through August, three meets. Youth council will open in April, and we are we're pretty good with soccer referees. We could always use more depending on their availability. Definitely need umpires. We're also looking for recreation specialists in the terms in terms of pickleball and youth cross country to support us. Yeah. There is mayor Jacobson behind the plates, and we're also hiring field painters like we did last year. So if you know someone that's available during the day, during the week, they like to get paid to walk around and get some sunshine, we'd love to have them. Hopsicle Run, April, this is an opportunity for you to volunteer. Sign ups are going very well ahead of where we were last year. Heritage days, we've talked about this, but save that date. Another opportunity to volunteer. Questions? I broke a record, I think. Yeah.

Three and a half minutes. Where

do we find to sign up to help for events?

Totally. I I can send that to you. So I believe on the Hopsicle Run, there is a a little button that you can you can click on to sign up. Okay. It seems like you've done that before. You've helped with a fun run, but I can send you a direct link. I know that's probably easier. And the heritage days one is not set up yet. Okay. But there's usually a form to fill out. Usually a form on the event web page. Great question.

I was gonna joke around. I brought my son here to to show that they honor the signs that are on the fields that do not get on. They actually went to a friend's house and weren't willing to play at the park, which I was like, just go play. It's fine. It's dry. But I did notice that there

the the soccer's out there. Are those signs gonna be coming off soon? They will. Yeah. So I've I've been told, that fields will open in April. So we just did a clinic today. We're checking out Coach bags, and so April, Rod will let us out on the fields. I know this week's great, and I know it's the weather's gonna change again. So That yeah. That's really the issue. This weekend, it changes significantly. We have the same situation with the pickleball courts. We'd love to open them, but as soon as we do, we'd have to close it. Other questions? Alright. Now it's your turn. I give you two extra minutes.

Number seven, committee member reports. Does anyone have a report?

I have a couple. I have been hosting global team members, one from Austria and one from Singapore. I took her to Morgan Farm, and she said that was the highlight of her trip. So I did share that with Mike and Roxy Christiansen as well, and they said it makes it feedback like that makes it all worth it. So, Justin, thank you as well.

Pretty cool. I worked at This is the Place, and foreigners absolutely loved seeing a wagon.

That was a highlight of their entire trip to The United States Of America. She got I thought we were all cowboys. She got selfies with about every animal that she possibly could, and the cow licked her as she was taking a selfie. Oh, wow.

Experience. Good job, cow.

Good job. That was awesome. And then I'll say this every every meeting. Residents would love a soccer goal at Clear Creek.

Send you the form.

Thank you, Chad.

Actually, goals will be set up at Clear Creek this year. We have games playing there. Nice. So

No excuses, Eldon.

I have a quick comment. As far as it'll affect our community is the school board school district. It will be changing boundaries. Oh, wow. We'll be changing in our area specifically well, even anyways, they'll be changing elementary boundaries and secondary boundaries. With Logan School District? Nope. No. No. Not with Logan just because we're getting this new middle school. And then with the magnet school, with the DLI moving to Spring Creek, they will elementary boundaries will shift. So just within Cache? Within Cache. Okay. Within Cache County. So our our school district, North End will be affected too because they're getting a new elementary school and a new middle school too. But Nibley will be affected. So magnet school is official? Yeah. That was official a year ago. What's your comp? A magnet school. Oh. Deal the Spanish program and the French program will both be at Spring Creek Elementary. Elementary K. Together with no no other traditional English classes. Interesting. So that that school will house those two languages. So and that's that's a community thing, but the school district will be moving boundaries for

there are lots of stuff. In case anyone's wondering, I'm very disappointed in your news.

Me too. Me too. I'm I'm not I'm trying to be neutral, but I don't like it either. I am not neutral. Oh, the smile. Sorry. That's why I tell my kids, sorry. I'll give you a hug, but sorry. No.

They're not community they're not a member report, but Sarah needs a raise after tonight,

all that type of thing. She was sitting here. I was like, oh, I can't say anything because she is, like, typing a million. Sarah, we have you backed up with Cheryl also.

So we've got you backed up with Cheryl. She's done the recording. Because I was like,

I'm getting all the information. And I am a little curious if there was a and I I wanted to ask Whitney, but I also didn't wanna prolong the meeting more than I already have was I was curious if there was an influx of responses after our last meeting because I know we made a big push to get the word out, and I know I shared it in every GroupMe that I felt that was appropriate. And I had a lot of people actually, after I shared it on Facebook, started the converse it kinda helped start the conversation even outside of social media. So if you have that, it's it's not a huge deal. But, anyways I I can look that up

while you guys are finishing. The one thing that we did notice is that mass texts sent out by cities seem to create the the biggest spikes. Yeah. And then there was also sustained activity when there were very active social media posts. Yep. But and we can actually look at the exact date if you ever were curious, Josh.

You don't and you don't mind negative feedback because that makes your posts more

Yeah. It drives more activity. It really does. They're like, oh, there's one crazy guy on there, but the rest all like it. So Boyd's not crazy. You just maybe haven't met him.

Are we still recording?

We are still recording.

Love,

boy.

He's a neighbor to you guys, I guess. Right? Yeah. Yeah. No. We welcome any comment.

Alright. Number eight, action items review, Sarah. I don't think any I mean None. There are none. It was just mostly informational.

Yeah. There was an action from last one. Item there? Yeah. There was one, like, the one to make sure you why didn't you put it on here? Hold on.

Oh, from last one? The beginning, we review action items. Right? Right. But it wasn't on here. That's why I missed it. It wasn't on the there was no thing of action items.

Yeah. Because it's below. They they asked me to move that to our section of the meeting.

It was to ask for a budget increase for their royalty, the Niddly royalty next year. That was your only action item. Item. That's it.

Oh, so that's that review right now. That's not I just think that's Okay. So number eight is discussion or number nine, discussion, consideration of action items, assignments moving forward. And that's the one where So eight is last meeting. Nine is This meeting. This meeting. Correct. Mhmm. Mhmm.

So we're gonna hit everything on the agenda. Just

First time in a long time. Alright.

Next number 10. Next meeting will be April 23. Put it on your calendar. Chat will remind you the day of or maybe the day before.

Calendar invite well in advance.

Alright. Do we have a motion to adjourn? Yes. Motion to adjourn. A second? A third. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? You get to clean up. Meeting adjourned. That's it. That's a great question. Let me check that right there. Oh, there we go. I was like, what?

I'm not in the still don't know how to say it. Kendall. Thank you.