Nibley City Council - 4/10/2025

seen housing costs. Yeah. Most of them most of them work. Yeah. in the pink doc page the percentage of employed population is 10.8%. So that's 10.8% 8% of the employed population here in Cash County that so even those who are working strong effort to afford it able to so that kind of housing city we've had a lot of thinking affordable or attainable housing. So, do you have any suggestions for us as a city about how we can go about trying to turn off and maintain or control affordable or attainable housing? I mean, that's a big question, but just coming from like a college student perspective, somebody thinking about this issue, do you have any suggestions for us in the city as this issue? answered. Yeah, you I my my scope is more the data. have like a specific suggestion. Keep this in mind that it's important and it is. Yes. Okay. today. And then I think that you know some of the things that we design space like being able to walk to a grocery store, being able to just our hope with this data is that ideas are thrown out issues specifically and proposals are brought up about the zoning law and all of the like direct application that you keep. how supportive a community is and their thoughts. I think the common perception is that supportive and a lot of people you can see there there's great numeric support for it. One of the things that we think people only 17.5 the death sheet but 17.5% believe that their fellow community members have the same perspective. So we have the numbers but they're so good to remember that those do exist to conceptions. Nathan, please um establish question I guess but the social work program at Utah State is going to improve it throughout the state. Was this survey just part of Cash County and that was it or have you done undergraduate work? Interesting. So it was kind of based on some students cash county and county. So guys actually it's interesting in just looking at the diversity of services in dictionaries. What will you all be doing with the data then? Is that going into a published report? Okay. And where can we find that? looking. So keep building Do you want to acknowledge any other members of your team? We have Maisy Thompson here. She's quite fantastic. is not a cure but you caused him Appreciate you coming to share this with us. Thank you. Thank you. Rod, will you talk to us next about the uh Arbor Day Foundation and uh with the proclamation to go along with that to to maintain our preity status, right? Yeah. So, specifically, what would you like the Whatever you put the tie on for the tie on So each year we're since 2011 we've been a tree was my mayor when he was mayor city since then we've done a number of different service projects and harbor dayations kind of everything from planting trees to tree. This year we're going to try both. Um Jacobson and his wife Larry are this is my brother Daryl and my brother Daryl. April 21st and then on April 26 there's going to be a tree planting at 10 to noon size of trees tree and We're going to end the end of this read this proclamation. I I think the council can read it or anyone else can read it in the packet. Um you're doing a great job. Appreciate the information. Thank you, Rod. Uh this is this is something to be proud of in city and council. You'll note that for some reason I get to sign this without your permission. So don't try to talk me out of it. Yeah. Great. I'm I'm I'm curious and I should I should ask before I probably helped with some of the planning on trees and Firefly Park. Are we doing some uh shade buffering or some light buffering from uh light in trespass? Is that kind of the plan? Or maybe I think that most of the Yeah. start growing different sizes till we get to perfect for light screening. Yeah. And you're the tree expert. Those are just going to take off and do wonderful, right? Are they going to be irrigated? So there'll be there'll be some of the wetter areas that some of them are supplemental water for a few years. That'll be great. Thank you, Rod. Any any questions for Rod or comments on the the Arbor Day proclamation? Thank you. Thank you in our city liberty. And with that uh that gives us another chance to say thanks. Uh after you give us a presentation, an update on from the parks division. Pull that up just a sec. Okay. I mean, he can talk. Yeah. You don't have to wait for Levi to just dive into it. It's up to you, Rob. Well, got to get my slides. So yeah, I know it's like close to safe. Hey, as as the mayor said, I'm Rod, parks division manager. I've been with the city for 20 years. Um, I have three great employees, Jensen, Nelson, and Steve G that work for me full time. We also prepared a yearround seasonal or year round this last winter to help us out. Um, and then during the summer we usually have between four and six seasonal employees that help us out. See, so we're going to talk about snow on cities. There 28 miles that we clear each snowstorm. Over 20 of those are not city owned that we maintain. We used this last year we started using two different pieces of equipment and that's cut our time down from 12 hours for one piece of equipment to four to five hours for the two pieces of equipment. We um use a Toro which you can kind of see the picture out of the screen working on highway this past spring when it actually snowed this year. Um and then we also have a side. We also clear snow city. We also clear the snow around this building. heritage and city parks that we clear and of the eight months there's about half a mile we have to clear with shovels and snow because um three different crews we have a mowing crew which is led by the summer he roughly 110 acres of our materials and open space. Some 46 different locations and 23 of those locations

are storm water. Um just for reference and there's also about 90 acres that is undeveloped. When I started 20 years ago, we took care of 10 acres and we had about 12 acres undeveloped land and it took one person about six hours to maintain. Um, so Braxton kind of has bro crews. There's a mowing crew, there's a trimming crew, and there's a weeding crew each week. just one set of things so they don't get bored and quit. Um, and our our mowing ranges from everything from twice a week on some properties to once or twice a year depending on the property and the maintenance spot we have. See, we also do a lot of spring clean up and fall clean up. And then as you can see this this mode that B is using is the one we got this this last year that's made us more efficient as well as the trailer that is it is being dumped into dumps that high. Yes. Scissors and dumps. Um it's got our it's cut one person out in the fall about 30 hours a week just using that piece of equipment. Um, here's some of the different levels of maintenance. We've got a storm water base that we do about twice a year. We've got a sidewalk in in Heritage. And we also have a an employee. We want to throw Joseph under the bus on dandelions and decided to take a nap. Um, we also, like I said, we do fall clean up and then quite often we find water snakes when we're doing some trimming. Our sprinkler crew is led by we have 40 with sprinklers on them. Six of those are irrigation pumps and so the other the other 34 are there's over 350 sprinkler valves over 5,000 sprinklers. um sites 28 of those are battery powered ins and so 12 AC and I'll kind of come back to that in a little bit some importance to that some of the issues we find and things we like to look for we take pictures when they're putting systems in so we future reference of what's there and it's located. We do inspections before we take them. As you can see in the middle top, there's a regular leak in the very bottom. They had to fix before I accepted found picture with the grass. There's a sprinkler that's either been kicked or just a picture of us placing flow. So to go back on this, we're starting to convert to web-based smart controllers. We currently have three of those installed by two came installed this spring. One of the one of the great benefits of that is with the technology that's taking place, we're able to find controllers that a radio control that go from a radio receiver to the controller. And that will save us on the average each year about 10 days of just doing seasonal adjust that we do throughout the year so that we're not just sitting watering the middle of July and that goes from when we turn one in May through October. And then also when there's a rain event, it takes us between eight and 10 hours each raintorm to go turn those clocks off and then go back and turn. So depending on the summer and kind of training again that can get quite laborous. And then one of the other things that that I'm working on is trying to figure out and get some definitions of what nonfunctional turf is and how we can start moving to save water. parks that take place in the parks. Um, like I said before, so most of the sports fields get mowed twice a week. They get arated two to three times a year. They're fertilized between three and four times a year. as opposed to just the other parts. They only use they use about one fertilizer application a year. Um when we prep for softball and baseball games, it takes between two and five man hours per game day to do that. the pickle ball and tennis supports. We spend about an week just maintaining them, making sure that they're blown off and there's sticky stuff on there. Just for some rough I got from there and there's about 7 30 games that take place. There are five ultimate Frisbee fields. There's about 125 games there. There's five flag football fields that are in Italy. This doesn't count the other two in or else, but there's about 75 games there. There's two baseball fields that we prep out and there's about 35 games there. There's three T ball fields that we paint at Heritage Park and there's about 50 games that take place there. the one softball field that we have and then they also use elementary. There's about 28 games there. So that comes out to be roughly 600 games at Heritage Park, 150 games at Cohorn, 200 games at Ander, and 100 games here at City Hall. So there's a little over a thousand games that are played. And if you were to have 30 participants at each of those games, there would be roughly 35,000 visitors to our parks going. So our last group we broke up into is is our buildings and Steve G is over those. We have six restroom sites and so there's 12 restrooms that we clean pretty much every day throughout April through October. There are five pavilions that we take care of. And each of those pavilions will our goal is to a minimum of pressure washing those concrete surfaces and tables every other week. Um there are some weeks where he's had do it three times a week because of the use and misuse just to have it clean for a user. He's spending roughly four to five hours daily maintaining restrooms and pavilions. One of the things that Carter will be doing is he's also going to be doing that on Fridays and Saturdays as well. So those weekend users will have a better experience. Um I've seen everything from weddings, company parties, family parties, Bible study groups and things that I won't mention. It's slowly place Aaron can probably attest to cross from it. Um we also take care of two observation towers and one both of them used quite often for exercise stations. We have classroom. We also have that we maintain. Some of those are empty daily sometimes twice a day depending in Some of the things that we experience in the park as you can see um we get graffiti. We get people breaking water fountains. We think it was raspberries on the table. Someone decided to smash the stream. Does that happen very often? It's It goes in cycles. Um the thing that's we found the most is a lot of it takes place during day. It's not after dark. So we we think it's younger kids that are doing a lot of it just being mischievous. Now, as you can see, the one picture in the bottom right corner, they've emptied the garbage can. They smashed the paper towel dispenser and then took the whole brand new roll through the toilet and tried flushing the toilet. We had a group that last summer was the filled all the sink drains full of paper and they filled the toilet full of paper and then covered the floor drains and turned the sink on and left it on. Um even even though things like down heritage he did a lot of kids and he says it's becoming more and more each each year. So it must be a group of aged kids that is growing older because as you can see there's they take playground bark they throw it all over that one gallery and it takes him anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes each time that happens to clean it up. Not only here on those they'll take it in the restrooms and fill the toilets full and the sinks playgrounds. As you can see here, um we try to shape them with this one. There are five slides in this picture. So, some of the things that we're trying to replicate that is we're planting shade trees around them. And then we also have sites. And just to let you know that this next picture is a little bit graphic of an an incident that happened this last summer in city at Heritage Park. It's a 19month old girl that was slide and she ended up at the US Secondary Burns. You can see the temperature of the slide about an hour after the incident took place at about 160°. And that's a plastic slides. That's plastic slides. Yes. And so it was facing just right and it heated up and the temperature outside was about 95°. So it just went super fast. And the mom went to help the other kid was on the the swings and heard the one scream and ran back about. So, and then we also throughout the the year we do weekly inspections of the playgrounds. We find a lot of Sharpie graffiti of just little messages. Some's more obscene than others depending on the age group. And then we found, as you can see in that right corner, a broken section could be replaced down in Clear Creek. And then each year we bring in around 100 to refill the ball protection. Um, dog use is becoming a bigger and bigger issue for my crewing. We have eight dogway stations throughout Lily Parks. This past year, we put it through 13,000 dog waste bags in our stations. Um, that's roughly 40 bags a day throughout the year. It takes us about 4 to 6 hours a week just to maintain dog stations. That doesn't count all the dog bags that they put in the bag, but I'm not group. On the middle picture, you can see where the dogs have urinated all over the grass and ski the grass as well as they their waist is on the sidewalk. Some of the projects that were accomplished this last summer were the installation of the playground at the Mstone Park as well as the outdoor classroom at Firefly. some of the the special events that we help with to make a better series. The weekly Heritage Days, there's two food trucking events, there's two movies at the parks, there's the play production along with Paradise Days, and then there's two funs that were involved with. Um, this past year we had a great year for volunteers. Um, throughout the year, like I mentioned, here in the center, the Mount Vist neighborhood spent a whole Saturday. They had, help me if I'm wrong, but there was probably 75 to 100 people there most of the day Saturday to assemble that. So, you can do the math on them. If each one of those people average two hours, quite a few volunteer hours. Um, we had a group of Girl Scouts that came in the week after the playground was finished and put in a tree there by it. And then in September, there was a national day of service sponsored by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And we had a number of projects in the city. There was some at heritage a tree planting project at Heritage Clear Creek and Mount Vista as well as a service project at Mor Farm and then a service project at Firefly Park. They are one on the left is really good. Um you can see there was the group of volunteers there at Firefly Park. the the day that we were doing the national day of service, there were seven soccer games going on as well at Heritage Park, as you can see in the background. And I want to go back to to Firefly Park a little bit. I'm very appreciative of all the volunteer hours that take place there. Um, and most of that is going to be thank to Becky Joerger and all the the work that she coordinates there. Um, she sent me from some information just um setting up the outdoor learning center and the web page that they designed for and they have over 400 volunteer outdoors just in those two projects alone. There's also a weekly group of meets there through the growing season that spends a couple hours each Wednesday that helps weed the pollinator garden. There's also missionaries from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And then there's been a couple of Eagle projects as well as a couple school class. some of the successes that we have as you can see as our current staff. I really appreciate their their expertise and their their desire to do the work and to serve them. The residents of Nibi, two of them are residents of Nibi and they understand the value appreciative of the successes we have the way they want to be efficient, get the things done that they do with the the resources they have and also the successes we have. It's it's returning um seasonal employees, their desire to come. some of the the struggles we have is is keeping track of our assets and how we can keep those at the best level. the highway and other city sidewalk maintenance. It's one of our as you can see the other things there. Getting everything done in a timely manner, hiring seasonal staff. It's just a constant thing each each spring interviewing people keeping you our users safe as well as that vandalism takes place in the Yeah, please. Thank you, Rod. Go ahead, Eric. Um, we talked in the fall right before you closed the bathrooms about battles in the captain, right before you closing for the season. We had mentioned the idea of maybe getting security cameras. Do you still think that'd be helpful? And if so, what would be the path forward? Yeah. So, as part of the budget process, we got a list of a few we're trying to pin down and nail down and decide what we want to do. The real big hang up or question about whether or not we can put security cameras in these locations is the communication network. We started with the SCADA to make sure the wells and the tanks and everything can talk to each other. And we just need to see what it will take to expand that wireless network so that we can start adding those things at the parks both for automatic locking doors as well as security cameras and and kind the same things we really have done in this building. We would like to start implementing those parks, but I don't have a dollar figure yet for what that will actually take. So, we are working on it. Hopefully should have that very soon. any you mentioned playgrounds that we have. Are there any playgrounds that you think the equipment is getting old that need to be replaced about budgeting? One very surprised about 19 years old and it's the highest used one that we have. This is the one we put the most replacement parts on and it averages about $6,000 a year in replacement parts. But that being said one of those slides is $4,000 and the last one they the company actually warranty because it only lasted two years. But do you think that's like we need to look at replacing the whole toy or parts of toys or there there's going to be a day when it's similar to actual replacement because it's outdated which is around the 25 year and then maybe Justin might be able to of this question too in terms of dogs especially dogs and firefly um I try to refrain from being a local enforcement vigilante but to our animal control do they normally just give warnings when they see people walking they depart or do they give tickets first time like nothing seems to be very effective yet that's a great question we have had issues with trying to get that accomplished uh we have spoken to the New York Times they Deputy Mir who I typically work through and have a specialized unit that he formed a few months ago try to target some of these real kind of employee issues and he told me that this is on their list and that they do on occasion go down there and patrol that. That said, I do know they get a lot of they stand next to this sign says no. Yeah. And she just continues to do it and she's been looking Firefly line states park edition just to there's no dogs to let you know blurry lines. Yeah. And it's a very popular park for people walk dogs around. And so I don't know if that's like on do we need to look at you provide a dog park somewhere else? Should we try and work with Logan to get a local dog park somewhere else close by or So I don't think those two are so best trail in the city. Just to fill in some background. It's forbidden to walk a dog lef. When you see 10 dogs, are they on the leash? So on and off and off the leash. I usually only speak up when I see people with the dogs leash, but and just background wise, these are discussions we've had encouraging nature at Firefly Nature Park is even the dog on leash or you know the concern is that that's a predatory site that will discourage birds from nesting and so on. I I'm not sure exactly how to measure the impact of a dog on a leash firefly bark. Becky, do you know the answer to that? Dear wildlife biologist, can we put you on the spot? I can. Then you have then you have to come up here and talk into the there. So there we have people I I said earlier we we have one of the most popular YouTube channels in Cash Valley and they want to hear what you have to say. So you have to talk into the mic. Yeah. Yeah. And tell us who you are. We do have an empty right now. We do have a lot of kind of feel like dogs on the leash. Oh, you're saying the dogs that we're observing on the leash. Yeah. So There's a lot of dogs. They're not. Yeah. And do we need to Yeah. That's a bigger issue. Do we need to Yeah, that's what I'm trying to get to. And I'm not I don't have a preconceived notion on that. We know that uh Stones Nature Center is building a Dibly classroom which won't won't go along with our master trail plan because the conservation on their property held by DWR Department of Wildlife Resources won't allow a public trail on that property because of the dog threat. So, I don't know. I think we're bombarded with ideas, but I'm not sure we have a solution. Was it Nathan or Kate next? Go ahead. I was just going to maybe suggest those interested in maybe talking about future. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to address that again. And you know, I'm I'm out of my area of expertise by you forming an opinion. So maybe someone at the back of the room can help us find some re resources to uh some Where did you go? You're standing in my way. Help us find some, you know, some knowledgeable resources about about the data and what, you know, what's it mean? Okay. Once you start, So that's one thing for us. Yeah. No, that's that's definitely Thank you for letting me put you on the spot. Does anyone know where I could sleep tonight? I'm going to start the process and the exact same process that you did. for is not allowed for but city others can it can be used on so city here public works some of our storm water basement it can be used on yeah so just in that time do you think that it's going to be worth it for us to do that conversion program number it takes about just off of water city it was about 10 years because we've got water sprinkers here already. Correct. Some of our other sites it would be a little bit faster when we return to our water savings. Um from the information I'm getting from colleagues throughout the state and and researchers it's about the same maintenance cost. It's just a different maintenance cost. Yeah. with the water. Okay. Did you have something that basically the same thing because that's I'll be brief if if Go ahead. Oh, just just one quick point. You spent about $40,000 on water to water. So before the next agenda then it's more water. So yeah, so we can do Yeah, we should set the example right. Yeah, I think that's so I wasn't going to ask you but so do we the the smart irrigation controllers are we using weather data? We are It is PT evapor transpiration based. So not only it's on turkey. Yeah. It's not on. Right. Right. Right. Because some of them are still on the alpha alpha PT. These are on on turkeys. So that's all about the crop coefficient and all that stuff. So you're on top. I think that's fantastic. It's amazing how much not only how much water can you save if you turn your sprinklers off when it rains. That's what's easy to see and that's what's to say, oh, why are they watered in the in the range, but the irrigation demand, the loss from the BAP transpiration from the shoulders of the summer season can vary uh to the middle of the summer season by a factor of two. And I mean if you stop and think about the hottest week in August based on evapor transpiration off turf grass if you were watering it as much as it needed to not be water limited 2 in of water per week we get 18 in of precipitation per year 16 to 18 so conservation and efficient watering methods I'm very happy to hear about that hope transpirationdriven irrigation schedules. The state is giving up to $1,500 per smart controller rebate, similar to what they do with residents where it's $100 per for businesses and municipalities, they're doing 1,500 per controller. There's one user in the state of Utah that's got over 250,000. Yeah. Yeah, by changing the the battery operated irrigation control. By the way, you have batteries in the 75 in the valves there. There's a there's a a battery pack. Oh, there's a clock right next to the So, it has a battery obviously to solid without worrying about battery. Uh, okay. Now I've sufficiently murdered. Justin, I should have clarified that $40,000 is like some of the secondary shallow wells. Yeah. So that's just the culinary which is so about a third of our parks we water with culinary 2/3 was secondary and that still cost us roughly 40,000 a year. Well, I appreciate gohead topic, but we get a lot of subdivisions and we want open space and we have those. Are you still liking that idea or is that another topic Thank you. Thank you for this. I appreciate the questions and discussion on the vandalism. That's are we we worse off than other cities or we like other cities depending because they because the vandals brag about what they're doing. conversation very briefly two days ago uh and you made a statement about seasonal employees really care at a younger age and so I'm wondering what would the idea of how we can get you people to be connected to we have youth council taking I think it's the one to 14 year olds where we don't have connectivity options for people to say this is my community and so maybe thinking of ways that we can help them to their community might help change their view of who is being vanished. Good job, Rod. How long have you been working? Started on March 3rd of 2003. Thanks. How we doing? Council, should we dive into weight water rates? Okay, let's do it. Justin made accountable. Thank you for all the assistance coming out. Hopefully this is informative. I'm kind of try to I know you guys have heard this a few times. So I'm going to go through most of it again, but if I'm seeing you guys like this, I'll try to move along make this as brief as but also as informative as possible because we know how serious of an issue this is for us to make sure that we are using the public's funds, fees, and things that come to us to the most efficient and the most effective way possible. This is near and dear to our heart. We try very hard and and work very hard and very diligently to make sure that we take care of these these sacred bonds. And so today I wanted to talk to you about the new city water rates. The history of the water rates um 97 you can see was way back at $7.50 and just skipping to the bottom of the punch line. We really haven't seen much of a base rate or excuse me much of a water rate increase since 2005. The base rate back then was 1050 and it was about 90 cents per thousand gallons. Well, in 2020, so 5 years ago, the state came out in some of these conservation efforts that you guys have alluded to and talked about doing a tiered structure and making people that use more water pay more for the upper tiers. And so we restructured the water rate, but we tried to do everything we could to not increase the water rate. So, we included 5,000 gallons in the first tier or that we what we would consider the base rate and we kind of changed things around. We we did increase the the the usage just a little bit, but it generally designed that rate and not increasing the cost to the citizens. So, we really haven't seen a increase in the water rate since about 2005, about 20 years ago. And in that 20 years, obviously the dollar has changed. We've seen record amounts of inflation even just the last few years. But for this from this research that I was able to do, you can see on the bottom graph there about $1,000 today or excuse me $1,000 back then in 2005 is worth about $600 today. So a little more than half, but we've definitely seen the dollar inflation impacting the effect system. What's kept us alive is the fact city as new people come in more people paying the system. So even though our costs are going costs are going up and dollar values going down we're able to make that up because we have more city. So growth has really sustained the water system and keeping that water rate for the last 20 years. Today we have about 2,300 homes paying into the system. Back then we only had 16. It's almost four times as much paying into or many homes paying into the system as we did back then. Increase in costs. The we kind of break these into a couple different categories. One is operational cost. What does it take to actually operate the system? And we're you guys are familiar with the salary. Salaries have really gone up over the last few years with cost of living adjustments and pay for performance. the worth of work study that compensation study that we were just able to do last a few months ago to kind of reset try to make sure that we're doing everything we can to be paying our very valuable employees what they should be paying setting that comparing that to market trends comparing that with other cities across the state of Utah as well as Idaho making sure we have ranges set and that based on experience and training and things that our employees have had resetities salary position. So salaries is definitely one of the bigger issues that has caused an increase in water system. The other one is water meters. Water meters are our bread and butter. That's how we get a lot of our funding through the usage and we meter them. Make sure we people are using there's some conservation issues behind that. So water meters are very important to us and so they're they're necessary. They're very expensive and their costs have gone up and up and and Jared and I were having a difficult conversation to understand and we'll have again in the budget when we start talking about that water meter line. That water meter line is going way up. Most of that water meter line is covered by development and that's a key component that I want to make sure everybody understands as we go through this and I'll hit on it again and again. We've done everything we can to try to make sure that development is paying for impacts to development. We are trying to make sure that those costs are covered by them. And so as this water meter line even though big a lot of that is just new meters for new developments and so they are paid for with the building permit. So even though it's a big number there's a bigger number or the same number that is revenue that comes into the system but there's still a gap that needs to be covered as these meters run out of life. They're usually about 20 to 25 is what the market sales people will tell you. We're seeing closer to 15 to that window of when New City started using these water meters and reading these water meters with the new technology to drive by. We get a bunch of new meters back then. We're seeing those start to fail. So our the the gap between repair and replace of water meters is is growing every year to replace and to fix these meters. Is that making sense? So that line is big in the budget. It's scary. Most of it's covered by development. Some of it's covered by repair and replace that we need to make sure we're taken care of. So we make sure we'll get in proper billing. We know we have the data to show we're conserving and not conserving and where the water's going. So me water meters have just gone up and up and up on cost. and they're becoming more like iPhones and where they're very proprietary and like you can't fix certain parts of them anymore. They used to come in three or four pieces and you could replace one or two pieces that need to be replaced but they're kind of one unit now. So when those start to go out, it's a whole new meter instead of parts and pieces. So water meters is one of those items that's gone up. Water testing and meeting the state and federal requirements continues to grow. all all the we're hearing about hopefully all the if all the things we hear about happen and that we're supposed to monitor and watch and and this just gets bigger and bigger and bigger. Lead and copper was the last big one. If you guys remember, we had to do a bunch of money towards inventorying lead and copper, making sure we knew where any lead or any copper in our lead lines, lead service lines. If you remember Flint, Michigan and the mess that was a few years ago that the EPA and the feds have really come down and pushed a bunch of stuff know that that was big and expensive. It's going to continue to get big and expensive. As that moves on, they're going to start requiring replacement of those things instead of just knowing where they are. We're going to start mitigating some of those things. There's also on the very brink is what is called PAS. It's they call them forever chemicals. They're tiny tiny particles of plastic that once they're created, they can never be destroyed. and they're they're finding it everywhere and so they're testing water now and there's a lot of discussion and angst about what the feds are going to come down with on PAS and so we're expecting to see that in the next few years. So these federal requirements continue to grow and grow and are costing us more every year. Water share assessments, the canal companies are raising their assessments and we have a lot of those shares as development happens. We collect those shares and we convert those shares into drinking water, but we still have to pay for those shares. And so we have to pay these companies for all these shares that we're using. So those costs have gone up quite a bit. The other one that you'll see in the budget, the water department is administrative transfers. What this is is because of the size of nibbly, a lot of things are shared. A lot of our accounting, the audit, the utility billing, a lot of our employees are shared across different and multiple departments. And so what we do rather we try to split hairs when all those things and charge each of the enterprise funds which are enterprise funds are the water the sewer and swarm water that technically supposed to act like they're in the business. Revenue comes in and expenses are covered and you try to mix and match those funds that come in but this is administrative transfers is a way to take money out of those funds and put it in a general fund. Cover things like our utility billing specialist Lindy that sits in the office that spends a lot of her time making sure the utility bills are right. So many So the all those things you'll see that are kind of shared amongst the different departments of the city is what we call the administrative transfers. It's pretty vast and I can show you a list that continues to go up and up and up as as costs increase with all all sorts of things. Bank charges has actually surprisingly gone up quite a bit. Just their ability to charge credit cards, make it convenient and easy for people to pay their utility bills is becoming a challenge and becoming more expensive. So there's a lot of those things that are are just increasing cost costs, excuse me. Insurance, a lot of our insurance is based on our salaries. Working with comp insurance is based on what your salaries are. So every time we bump and move our salaries and our insurance, but we haven't we've got that number for what that's going to be this year, but we're just expecting that to be a bigger increase than we usually see because of the salary reset that we've done. So there's just a lot of costs that have gone up and gone up that really tied to just operation cost that to run the city water system. This is a page out of the budget. Just highlight real quick all the numbers. You can see that you know each line has gone up just since 2018. You know between you know 35 to you know this water share is all the way up to 67. There is one bright spot with our power. Our our our water operators, Jared being chief amongst them, is very concerned, very particular about how we run our wells, very smart and intelligent about when we turn them on, when we turn them off to make sure that we getting the best power rate. And we have raised that power that line item in the budget. That's not quite some time just because of their ability to work and manipulate and manage the when the water wells are running. We don't see those expenses go. So that's a gold star for the water. That's bu fast. I'm sorry I'm like losing my slow talking to you. I apologize. This is the administrative transfers. I know you read it all. Just just trying to show you the detail we try to get into. We try to break down all those costs. We make sure that we're doing everything we can to and distribute those costs equally amongst the different departments that need to be charged for those. So we have operational costs in the system but we also have capital needs. We have the need for growth and to be able to handle the growth and and manage those and I already alluded to the fact that we do everything we can to try to make sure that development is paying for development. So if I could just may hit a couple things on this slide. The big one that we have coming up is the new well plant to drill into well to provide water or source. It's kind of the technical that we would use. But that project right now is projected to be about 5 and a half. The vast majority of that project will be covered by development. There is some small percentage that will be covered by the rates and that's based on state uses based on how much water we have we have magic calculations very specific about what you how much impact fees you can spend on that calculation we stay to see us with source. So that means that the existing customers need to make up that small gap when the rest can be covered by impact fees. I don't have an exact split but I assure you that the vast majority of will be issued by develop the others that come with development are lines as we grow and as we annex and we have new areas constructed in the city oftent times we're able to go in and negotiate with these contractor to pay for and upsize in their line because as they come in with lema laws and development rules and laws. They're only require so much. They need the hand. They need to pay for their development. But if they're the line that goes through their development that could serve other people and make our large system pressures and flows work, we can pay the difference between upsizing what they would need to pay for an 8 in line. we can move to a 12 for a fraction of the cost of what it would take us to go back in in 25 10 20 however long it would be needed and replace that line or to install another line. We're able to just cover that cost difference. And so we try really hard to watch that. We budget money for that every single year. It's haven't had to spend a lot of that money because we've been able to handle do it through other means and there hasn't been as big of a need. But with some of the annexations and the things we're talking about now, Tom and I are again something that we try to make sure is cover the developers for those things because it is development that's needed causing the system to continue to get bigger and bigger and bigger places. So the other big one, this 640 railroad crossing is when we did Mount Vista, we did some preparations with a line that runs west out of Mount Vista would need to go underneath the railroad tracks to tie on to the big line we put in 640. So it's a pretty small gap that needs to be filled, but it's expensive to go underneath that railroad. And so we have that plugged in. We keep plugging it in and then oh, we're not really at the point where we need it need it. So we bump it back a couple years in the model and the plan. So you know that is coming and part of it is when we redid or excuse me when we redid the asphalt on 3200 South and redid the roadway we abandon an 8 in line 8 inch line that's in 3200 South. So now there used to be a 12 and an eight. Now there's just a 12. So where east west water movement is not quite as free flowing as north south initially if you will east and west has got some challenges and hiccups and we're fine but eventually as demand continues to grow and grow that east west movement of water becomes more and more critical there will be a point where we need to make that connection excuse me uh some of the other system improvements that are coming that are not really devel But they're just existing issues and existing problems that are going to cost us a bunch of money. One of them is the Yates Springs. Just today, mayor and I were discussing with this is the springs down on a hollow road that was contaminated back in 2015. We have not used that water in the drinking water since 2015. When that happened, say issued what was called UV island or which means to use that water, you need a whole bunch of super testing and likely have to build a surface water treatment plant to be able to use that water. So the water really just wasn't worth the amount of water. So we develop a treatment plant and so we just got sitting. Now recently we've done water and be able to use that water out instead of having so it's just kind of sitting out there where the spring discharges and flows into there discussing whether that's take care of everything is taken care of what we can do like a giant mess if we could just cost us. We'll figure that out soon. Uh we also have some pretty good size projects need to pay some divers out for quite some time. So we would like to contract with some they call them disinfect sanitized and they actually will go with scuba gear go in clean out the tanks take out all the sand and all the stuff that's been flushed in the tank over the years. They also do inspection for integrity. That's not something new. So we south of the well we have just water system we just the other water that we put in the system to make sure that we have the 2 million that the state requires. So we've talked about the PRBs, excuse me, the arrays are pressure reling valves. We have two they're very sophisticated actually very sophisticated and simple in theory and exploration. They're pretty difficult to dial in make sure they they function properly that need to be replaced. They're anywhere between 10 to 10 to $20,000 to replace those valves and a couple other things, but the other the big money I believe is to read the water master plan and really nail down our plan for the future and obviously we've had a master plan in the past, but in the last five, six years, New City staff has changed. We have some very competent, very professional people who have strong opinions the water system and how the water system operate. So I would like to do a very comprehensive water who plan on kind of jokingly sort of jokingly told these guys that we're going to do this plan. They're going to seal it in blood with their thumb print because once we get this plan in place, it's no more discussing about talking about what we should do. It's go time. We got the next five, six years planned out and starting board projects instead of talking about what's the best thing. That's a pretty big expense to do a a solid good master plan. Probably in the hundred to $150,000 to really nail good. So that's a big expense that's coming. And the the beauty of dropping the money on them to spend that amount of money is because at that point we're able to redo calculate our impact fees and go through all those steps and checks and boxes and all those things to make sure we can to make sure the development is paying for development impacts. So any there's just the big things covered by development. There's a good chunk of that stuff that's not a development take care of. So what we do is we throw that information into this spreadsheet. This is a we financial model. This was originally constructed for us by Z's public finance back in 2018 I believe. Since 2018, I've just been watching this to see where we were coming in and how we ended up and really just a projection of where be we had the growth we had with the projects we needed and really just tries to forecast where you're going to be. And and it gets really important when you start talking about needing to pay for a loan. And the banks and the division of drinking water looks at this model to make sure that you are financially stable and that you can they provide you with the loan. You have the ability to pay it back. You have the ability to operate your system. And so we really tried to fine-tune this thing. Looked at all of our expenses. We looked at all of our income. We looked at uh the growth. We looked at need to hire employees. We took a guess on how so bus is crystal ball. But as we do those things and we try to put all those projections together, it was apparent that we did our do a little bit of a water rate adjustment. So as we've done that, you know, there's a couple different ways to do that. The water rate is broken into two components. The base fee, but also the usage fee, which we kind of hit on a little bit. clear understands the difference between those two and the impact fees. So how do we which one needs raised and the answer is yes they all need raised. We looked at the base rate to begin with. The base rate is something that everybody the new city water system has to pay every month. What do they drink a cup of water? What they do? They have to pay this base rate. And with this base rate they're giving 5,000 gallons with the base rate. Once you get over 5,000 gallons you start usage charges. talk about those in just a second. But for the base rate, industry standards, try to get your base rate up into the 55 to 60% of your operational expenses. $1550 base rate set at about 48%. And so staff would recommend trying to bump that up to get it to more the 55 60% of our oper operational expenses. And so we need to that how it how fast we increase it pretty $2 a month base rate for base rates which is kind of our bread and butter vast majority base rates are every base every town has a base rate and there's other so that really so we also looked at you know trying to move that up $2 a day next fiscal year and then a dollar a month every year they're put us out in 2250 put us I think it's 58% of our costs operational cost dollar a year something increase this year be 1750 next year $1850 next year will be 1950 next year 2050 that make sense We also looked at the usage fee because usage fees can be a very productive tool and enforc encouraging conservation. And the whole idea is that the more water you use as you move up these tiers you pay for that same block of water. So 0 5,000 gallons again that comes in your bas 5,000 to $40,000. It's currently you pay about a$15 all the way up to once you get over 100,000 gallons, you pay a $135 per thousand gallons that you use. And so we looked at that. We started with kind of how aggressive do you want to be with that? Who do you want to get back the most? Because if you're low users on this this lower increase in the usage, the population showed about a 10% increase to people who don't use a lot of water to the people use. So we went all the way to high. We bounced around. We came in and staff really focus kind of came in on this level of substance if you will on changing those base rates because it was fairly deep to low high users. And the bottom line is there's just there's just not that many high users. there are sometimes but I mean you think about the schools the church USU a few businesses uh and so you know really impacting them and upsetting them making them mad didn't seem like financially the smartest thing to do for the system so that recommended medium level aggressiveness on the tier structure and actual meter readings from was a couple years ago. It wasn't it wasn't last year but maybe the year before. You can see that the average water bill over the year $39 with the new structure put in place that bumped it up to $44 or $5 per month. You average that out across the whole year. So everybody tracking that makes sense there. So just a couple of tips, you know, just food for thought is one of the things that the that somebody wants to basically need to bring They their water bill needs to be about 2% of their medium adjusted. So Nimby's medium adjusted gross income is $76,000 that we would need to almost triple our water rate for us to be considered a heart like need given getting and a lot of the cities that come through are meeting that threshold and we're just not in exactly why historically just good management cheap water low power not long transmission lines just just blessed with a system that honestly is not extremely expensive to operate. So you can see like we're just uh we it's going to be tough for us to go at least the division of drinking water and honestly most other agencies and side yards costing with this new rate be about that 250 up to 400 bucks a year is what a average normalsized lawn in New City is going to cost you this new rate. This is just a quick comparison of other base rates in C County. You can kind of look down and see that 1750 low of those those base rates. Hyum's pretty close. However, I had an issue secondary pay their secondary water system that's basically charged by the size of block and you get as much water as you want and exactly how meter. So, you know, people see the the 696 in the base rate and think they're cheapy, but when you factor all that in. So I imagine years seemed as well, but by the time we get up to 2250 in 5 years of other places in C County, the usage rates are more difficult than North very on discuss with them behind need the capital bond. They're trying to push that off by enforcing or encouraging conservation by charging very large usage rates. I think they were the ones that And then just for fun, uh, other places around the state, you can see we're quite a bit cheaper than all of those things, all those places. And my favorite is Park City. If you want to compare Park City, the average city in the winter time would be paying a month or 90 bucks a month for use of the water system. So the discussion just a little bit, make sure everybody understands what we talked about there. With this rate, I have models into that water rate alone of $3 million. And there's places we can go look for that, but usually the cheapest is with the division of drinking. They have a what's called state revolving loan fund. So long that they loan money and then they collect revenue from interest on the ones they given out in the past as well as they receive a bunch of money from the state better years. So just kind of entity that I sit on water every four months sit down and listen to these guys come and pitch their projects. So likely that'll be the cheapest solution. But what I'm asking what staff is asking you guys tonight is I fail. I shouldn't put this in the resolution that you would offer staff to go apply for that $3 million. Once we go apply, we will bring back the world of purpose and do all the final polishing and touching up and give you another opportunity to approve that before it actually would take effect. But I am looking for an amendment to the resolution to authorize us to go apply for that if that makes sense. The other thing I mentioned is that because of our need adjusted gross income so low it is extremely difficult for us to go get free money. However, we have been successful in two occasions of getting two grants. One from the excuse me division water resources for $750,000. So staff was making security grants. Now just yesterday we were having some discussion about that and federal government and spending and so we had some questions and we're a little nervous about the $400 because the Bureau of Reclamation is federalized and whether that's going to jeopardize the 750. So, at some point you may have to make a difficult decision of moving forward without the 400 so that we don't lose out on 750. I'm hoping not representative Snider try to make sure those all line up and all that works out. But I did remove that $15 million from the model and we will squeak by with still applying for the $3 million loan, being able to pay for the loan, pay for operations, and collect the impact fees that we need to do to make sure that we're covering these costs. So that makes sense there. And other than that, I appreciate your opportunity. I know this is a difficult thing for you guys to do. It's a difficult thing to weigh. It impacts everybody's lives. We appreciate your consideration and we appreciate the attention that you've given to this and the direction you've given to staff as worked through this over the last few months and appreciate so much your support and all that you do for us and happy to answer any questions you may have. Questions before we actually get to a part of our agenda called the public hearing. I'll talk about that in a minute. This is a presentation to help council and help our citizens understand uh these issues before we give citizens a chance to speak to the council on this topic. So any clarification from Justin? Okay, thank you Justin. That is some serious work and so as mentioned uh we we will conduct public hearing. This is a specific place uh in our agenda and a specific place in our process where we invite the public to speak to us about how would you like us to raise your water rate? Well, is that what you said? Yeah, that's I I'll just boil it down to that. And of course, that's not what people want. Uh but we are we are here to listen to the public and give us your thoughts on water rates and what Justin's presented and loans that we have to go out to secure and so on. So um there is a signup sheet. You don't have to sign up on the sheet. I invite anyone who would like to come forward to the council and make their thoughts known. What are you all doing here? Well, someone getting paid but I'm waiting for the shoe to fall. Okay. Uh the public hearing is open and seeing no citizens coming forward to address the council, I will close the public hearing. Thank you. And with that, we turn the discussion over to the council to consider the uh resolution in front of you regarding Motion discuss. Yes. Thank you. A motion to approve resolution 2511 increasing N city water presented off the long grant is made. Okay. Thank you. Norm can you all work on some word smithing for us? I might give it to you. I'll let you have you you want the the amendment to authorize application to flow, right? Are you okay with this then? Um, let's see. I probably would I tell you what, Norm, before I get a second, could I talk you into approval as is and while they work on word smithing, we can do that as an amendment to the main motion. Is that your motion then to approve the 511 as presented? Is there a second? Okay. Thank you very much. So, let's talk about the motion and we'll work on the amendment. Let you guys put a lot of thought into this. I see public reach out and want to know why it's going up. If if it's going up because of all this growth and why aren't they paying more? I appreciate Justin spend the time to kind of explain growth is is paying for a lot of it still have

some nice to see that we're still cheaper but it is I put in a newsletter article I'm just going to mention this briefly this the point of this end of this newsletter article was to do two things one it was to show that we live in a desert. We actually live in a desert that is incredibly blessed with water. Ironically, we're bless we're blessed with water because we have some mountains surrounding our our aid uh climate in the valley with snow that melts and gets percolated through the soil and comes down as runoff. and we can replenish aquifers and pump that water out of the ground and irrigate our grass and do all those other things we do with water. But if we if if you were to collect all the water from an average size roof in Nibi City, 3,000 foot roof for 6 months from April through October of the irrigation season. So you can set up some rain barrels and collect all the water in your gutters, put that into rain barrels and then apply that to your landscape for irrigation instead of paying nibbly city. the usage rate that just the cheapest usage usage rate that Justin was just talking about the desert we live in and I'm going to say the value that we actually get from Nebly City for water the the reasonable price you would save yourself $2.52 a month by collecting that water. We live in a dry landscape and not only that, we can replace that what doesn't fall from the sky with a city service that's worth $2.52 if the equivalent amount of water from the roof is $2.52 a month. Now that's about two that's about $15 a year. And you know to demonstrate even though the water in Nibbly City is and compared to other cities reasonably priced you said $240 to $400 a year that people spend on irrigating landscapes. Is that about right? 250 to 400. Yeah. So anyway, um we can't live without water and we live in a dry place. Thank goodness for mountains and snow. What else? Go ahead, Garrett. Would you ac no? That is the value of the water that you would collect in those rain barrels. So now listen, I don't want to I don't want to give the wrong impression. There are people in this town and I respect them very much who are very conservative-minded and they do collect rain in barrels off their roofs because they know it's the right thing to do. And I agree with that. That's a very uh important, very valuable conservation approach. Uh, but it doesn't pencil out when you when you you can't buy one barrel for $15. That's you you guys knew Ron Hell Stern, great guy, helped us get Firefly Park started and stuff. When the state first allowed people cuz all the water that falls on the state of Utah is owned by the state of Utah and they let us use it for beneficial reasons. when the state first allowed people to collect rain water off their roofs for irrigation. Um um Ron did a great presentation on how to set up a rain collection system. Ron's very conservative minded. Good, good. I'm glad we're like that. But I told him those numbers back then and he said, "Go home." because he had a room full of folk people that were interested and good for them. They were interested in buying materials questions. So Justin, do you have an idea of the range of what interest rates? Great question. That's that rate will bounce depending on your medium adjusted gross income, but typically it's it's been at about two and three/4er. I expect it'll be a little more than that in the near future. So I'm I think in my model I put 3%. But that's what I'm expecting in the just shy of three to three and a half hopefully. But that's a great question. system possible for them to help us in that master water since they're already doing some of that feasibility study. Uh potentially we'll we'll put out a RFP and they're more than welcome to apply for that RFP or to submit a proposal and they may have a leg up on some of the stuff they've already done and we'll definitely factor that in and consider that for sure. But the work that gets done on that or got done on the study to do the well and tank is certainly available to anyone who would Yeah, for sure. I mean that's our data. That's our I mean we own that. We pay for it. So, but you bring up a good point because when we started this, we were looking at potentially moving forward with a well and a reservoir. And it's just really not feasible right now to do both. And not just financially, but honestly to get, you know, staff really nailed down on where to put that and how to do it and whether it's in the lower zone, whether it's in the upper zone really affects the cost. So that's why we really want to nail that down and really look at those costs because truthfully this this rate I I like I said I believe will get us by for the next five years and take care of this project but I'm I'm a little nervous about the next project in roughly I mean we're we're if you ask the state we're behind they want it done yesterday but realistically we're probably five years out before we'll be able to collect enough and be able to move forward enough. But I am nervous about whether this rate will cover that next project. Uh norm can you or anyone else this could come from any member but was so inclined. Can you zoom that up for a moment? Good question. Oh, so there's a potential set of words to try to accomplish I think what you were after and it could be anything to do inclined to offer an amendment. Yeah, I'd like to modify amend my motion to include staff is authorized to apply for $3,000 loan purpose of 23 million instead of Okay. So, I have a motion to amend and a second from Garrett. Thank you. The motion is as uh as shown on the screen. Thanks for real time word smithing. Yeah. If I could point out one thing. Yes. Please. Yeah, this the resolution shows this started being effective May 1st. That's completely up to you guys. If if you want to change that date, it's I mean it's fine. You can you can do what you want. You can start that when you want. It's not going to make an incredible difference. It would be nice to go to the state and say, you know, this is the adopted rate and this is why with the financial model, but uh it's up to you guys. Okay. Thank you. Let's uh let's deal with the motion on the motion to amend that that has been offered. Think about some other is the is the statement of authorizing city staff? The attorney recommended it. I I talked with Eric Johnson our we you know we mostly deal with Joel but in his practice is Eric. Eric is really a financial bonding expert. That's his game. And he recommended get a resolution of approving this application and then go get all the terms. We'll bring those terms back. We will have a public hearing on accepting those terms and give you the opportunity to accept or reject those terms. I'm get I'm getting the feeling that you'd be willing to vote on this motion to amend. Is there an objection of of doing that? Seeing none, let's take a vote on the amendment. Those in favor of the amendment as proposed, please say I. Any opposed? Okay. So, now we have an amended motion for the council. Like to add an amendment of my own case. Uh it's just in the number two reads a little confusing. Uh I think clarity would be if we said the monthly base rate shall increase by $1 each year for the next five years as currently might sound like it every month. that that I wrote that down because I was so suggesting just the monthly base rates shall increase by one each year. me. This was hard. I liked the more aggressive rate, but I appreciate Steph's explanation of where we get where we're at. That's good. Um, we'll point out in five years from now, we'll still be lower than most in this county and we'll be like 50% those outside the county. Although, it's kind of neat. never really doing a good job balancing what we need and not charging more than what we need, right? the increase is the delta delta here each year and it it's in that's consistent with thoughts where I get feeling worthy to vote on this Any other thoughts on the amendment? Seeing none, if you're opposed to voting in the amendment, let me know. I see no objection. Let's vote on the amendment. Is it clearly up there? And can you see Yeah. It said next five years. Go ahead. This is the next uh the next five years. Okay. With that clarification, I'm going to ask general consent to make that the motion to amend. Saying no objection, let's go ahead and vote on that amendment. Those in favor, please say I. Any oppos? Thank you. Another we have another amendment on now. It's too bad. I mean, we're getting hit with the increase just right. off. Yeah. I mean, weather fees and law enforcement fees and water rate fees and I'm going to make a long list. I warm water's coming and you know these are these are things that we have cities in the first place. We provide services to people that can't provide easily for themselves. cost money and when costs go up and all that. Okay. Does anyone have anything else to say? Is there an objection to voting on resolution amended resolution 25-11? Seeing none, Cheryl, will you call the RO for us, please? In favor in favor, thank you. Got that. Five in favor, none opposed. Motion passes. Justin, thanks for all your work on that. Tom, I know you're a big part of that, too. And keep the keep the water coming. Thanks. I have a feeling we could get through the hyum just a feeling we can get through the the hyum library fee increase. There's a fee I left off a second ago uh before we take a short break, but I'm willing to take a short break whenever council is so implied. Okay, let's do it. Uh so next we have uh resolution 2512 contract with city for library services. Uh, we've talked about this before. This is the second time. This is our second reading. And I don't Let's see. Does anyone have a I'm going to catch up. Is there a presentation on this? I don't think there's a whole bunch of new information. Nathan, you asked about the original contract. I think that's been provided. Uh, are there are there any other things staff wanted to add? Yeah. Yeah, my only comment was that in the box I messed up the first cell and the increase is closer to 50% not 34. I noticed that the other day was not very happy with myself but other than that nothing okay. council norm motion to approve resolution of city services. Thank you very much. We have a motion. Is there a second? Thank you, Kate. The motion and second is to approve the contract hyum city. you. Just a couple of questions mostly for staff. I think um so thank you for the original agreements. I understand it's basically an annual contract by just setting there that I saw. Um if we wanted, we'd have to Yeah. written out with the time six months to the new contract. It used to be 30 days, now it's six months. Yeah. So, if we do not agree to this, we would then immediately give them 30 days and it was underneath contract. Um, does hire have an out of service rate? $75 non-resident library rate per year per household and we're currently paying that source of income general fund is tax and sales tax sales tax and property tax put it in order right sales That's and or 60,000 is general fund income a million dollars a year. Agreed. Yes. It's weird cuz like water rate that we just increased is like minuscule percentage wise percentage increase small compared to the amount in contact is the yeah I had I had concerns at first but I think the residents are still getting a deal it's still cost we should and they're sounds like they're not willing to kind of adjust the fitting for households. So I think clarification of the questions asked tonight I'm I have less hesitation. So yeah I mean if you guys if if council will build me I'll spend a couple of sentences. The the biggest change to this contract is we have been Nibbly City has been paying a usage fee to library to to Hyram's library per household based on the number of households that actually use the library. And Hyram is now saying we'll just charge every household in Nibi by a certain amount. It's a smaller amount than the amount that that we were being charged per household for those that are using it. When it's all said and done, it's about a 50% increase in library fees. Yeah. Year one. In year one and then it goes up by 7% each 7% each year, right? And we've talked about alternatives and made hire mad. I mean, not mad, but just poked at different things. I we didn't mean to make them mad. I know they've listened to our council meetings, which I very much appreciate. We we're very much appre uh uh we love having a great neighbor like Kyum and we appreciate the service that they're extending to us. We just looking around at what it costs to do stuff. um in the sorry talked about um that someone will be appointed on to the board the high the library board but just to clarify the library board doesn't actually have any legislative power it's an advisory board to the city council but we that's part of the new is that the nibly city government would choose governance would choose are representative to the advisory board of the library. It was before they just picked. Yes, they picked someone who went to the library. It's good to have someone who's interested in libraries. I think it's just one from Nibbling, one from Wellsville, and our staff and a city council member. Yeah, I'm not 100% sure about that. So, I think this school year would be a good time to do that instead of the first of the year. It looks like they have four city representatives, one nibly, one city council representative's been good neighbor. really do a lot. They share the cost of the court system, the fire and a bunch of other ones. So, we're actually still paying less than their citizens are. So, I think if this passes, if we can do something like our website and give a link that people know that they have access to library, the QR code link and I know they have a lot of online when they came and talked they're going to increase the online books available. So those that don't visit Earth and they can still use that and take advantage of what

I think a little bit sarcastically when Hire came to help us talk about this a little bit sarcastically we said well we're going to take on a big public service campaign and flood your library with newly residents since everyone's paid. They said great. So we should maybe just take a take a a note that we we should do some polling service people. Okay. Thank you neighbor. Yes. Since this comes out of sent any other comments? I did feel ready to vote. Is there an objection to voting? Seeing none, uh the motion in front of you is to approve resolution 2512 approving the contract with city for library services as presented. Darl, will you call the role please? five in favor. None opposed. Motion passes. Resolution stands. Again, our thanks to hire for being such a great partner and such a great neighbor. Very much appreciated. Let's I'll go to the library together. All right. I'm going to see if there's an objection to taking a fivem minute break before we get into the next batch of agenda items that are sort of related. No objection was

uh how is the time flying? 851. Let's call 8:50. 4m minute break at 850. Okay, we'll come back to order. 2014. This is a discussion and consideration of 2512. This is a reszone application in the vicinity of 2600 South from residential R2 to commercial and this is the first time we've uh considered this. Levi, you going to do it for us? Oh, wait a minute. Let me I think I saw that Al was online proponent, right? Are you also speaking proponent? I am. Okay. We'll give you a chance. We'll let Levi do the introduction and then you know we'll we'll give you a chance to I know you and I'm trying to remember your name. You're with the county finance. West. Okay. And and somehow I'm going to need help from staff. maybe watching for a raised hand from Al or something to uh know that Al wants to speak remotely. Do that. So, are you okay? And if I and if I don't uh Theia Al, you can just chime in. We should we should be able to hear you. All right. Uh yeah. So, I'll give a quick introduction to this uh item. Uh so the the applicant is uh requesting to reszone this property at at 1500 west 2600 south from its current zone uh designation of residential R2 to commercial. It's about a 7.8 acre parcel. And just for orientation, that's uh it's it's on the southeast corner of 2600 South and Highway 89 91 just north of Triage Farms there. So, as part of the application, there's there's a number of questions we we ask the applicant. Uh what is the need for the proposed zone change? It's for the commercial developer wants this property for development. Um what the public benefit is is for commercial opportunities. They've they've indicated that it complies goals of the general plan. Uh why why the anticipated use is appropriate for the surrounding area. It's next to Highway 8991. and then they've indicated that there's there's sufficient infrastructure for uh to support development for that type of zone. Uh when it comes to staff's recommendation and and I'll get into the planning commission recommendation as well, we uh primarily use the general plan as as a guiding document as a guidepost for for zoning decisions. Uh the future land use map designates this area as commercial and medium to high density residential. uh some of the goals that are that relate to this land use goal one uh I won't read all of these word for word but really speaks to it it speaks to encouraging different types of development and balancing different types of um being being thoughtful with regards to commercial residential light industrial uses uh land use gold 2 it really just speaks to using the future land use map as as guidance for for zoning decisions. And then commercial and economic development goal two is to create and maintain a sustainable economic base for Nibi City. They'll provide tax revenues and increase local employment and convenience of shopping and back. And then going down to principle 2A which is under that goal to improve, diversify and increase Nibby's tax base, seek revenue growth from economic development activities to mitigate re residential property tax increases that may be required to offset increased level of service costs. So commer commercial commercial development you know in particular when there's uh when they are generating sales tax uh not only do we do we get the property tax benefit but also the sales tax benefit of of of that development. So, so there is uh a greater fiscal impact generally with with commercial development um compared to residential. So planning both planning commissions and staff's recommendation is to approve this reszone uh with with the following findings that the proposed commercial zone designation is compatible with with the commercial and medium to high density residential designation of the future land use map and the reason would support commercial economic development goal too to create and maintain a sustainable economic base for nibbly city that will provide tax revenues and increase local employment and convenience of shopping. And the there was a public hearing held uh with with planning commission um you know as required by by state law and uh the for for this particular item other than comments from the applicant there weren't there weren't additional comments made. Okay. Thank you. Do you like Wes or Al, would you like to add anything to that before we give it to the council? I I don't think so. Um, you speak so we know we can hear you. Can you hear me? Thank you. Um, I apologize everyone. I think Joel gave me this cold. So, I apologize because I'd rather be there in person just kind of walk this thing through. We appreciate you not bringing it to Nib. I don't get sick, but someone gave it to me yesterday. Kind of them. But the two parts on this and I give it a little bit more update in here is we are um we're still trying to work um with the ger. They're still trying to put the plat map and and the thing that um the commercial developers both Stewart and Bill said is they'd like to see this just get started and then give them some time to to they need to you know a few weeks to kind of finalize some things before everything. So they they asked we go ahead and you know go through the first reading which which I agree with and then then we get some more direction from them as they go forward. Um and and they have some challenges in there that they're trying to work through and get things done. And so so that's that's the status where everything's at right now. Okay. Thanks Al. And so again, for folks that aren't here every night, um we often do two readings. The first the goal of the first reading is to make sure we understand proposal. If there are questions about what the proposal means or additional research to do, uh then the council can ask staff to in to do that. Um, in addition, the council has the authority to wave the second reading and adopt it the first time it hits our agenda as you a motion from Norman. Thank you. Yeah. Motion to approve ordinance 2512 as presented for first meeting. Okay, there's a motion and a second from Garrett. That motion and second is approval of 2512 for first grading on this reszone from residential two are two halfacre lots to commercial discussion please. Yeah, I got it. No, my problem is with our current use chart and things that are permitted and not permitted and conditional. Specifically, car washes and gasoline stations are not conditional. Some others that I think maybe we would rather see are less easy to acquire. Um, so I know that the application to men I know that we probably are not allowed to change before second reading or it would just be based upon what the ordinance was at this time. Right. Any any changes to the land use chart would have to go through planning commission. How not entitled by the land use chart when they receive a reason they receive standing according to the land use chart. I just asked Lee by this question. Tell me if I get it right. They receive standing on a project proposal according to the land use chart. So sorry you got my mind. Oh yeah. Does that answer the question that we were going to ask? Okay. And wow, you understand that? Am I clear? Yeah. And I maybe can add a little bit if I if I may. Go ahead. Um and I know this goes into the second part. So, um, Stuart Thne, I emailed this over just now to to everyone there. And it talks a little bit about both logs, but from Stuart Thane and from Bill and Stuart says, "Al, after reviewing the existing plans for the north side 2600 South, I believe that you need to zone the triangle PCs of Heritage Drive to residential. The layout efficiencies on that parcel are tough and you only get one solid pad and the others would end up going to non- retail type uses. The existing retail that we have been working on and the 7 acres on the south side of 2600 South is where we need to put the retail pad users to do due to I feel this is going to be the main retail intersection for retail in this trade areas. Hence we've been working on it for such a long time. Any questions let me know. That came from Stuart from Bill. He writes, "And again, I sent this email over to just now regarding the reszone meeting tonight. I would like to think that the proposed resone allowing for town homes to be built east of Heritage Drive and commercial south of 2600 South would be desired regardless. The property south of 2600 South is better as commercial and developing the land along with the shopping center provides the best route for storm water. So that's that's what they've been working on and putting the whole two together. So anyway, just a little bit that they're looking at having the retail pads on that on this parcel here. Um, and would be much more suited to be able to to have retail outlets such as the fast food or something like that is what what I have heard. So anyway, okay. So, I I just gonna clarify. I might have to ask you to come back to some of those statements because we're we're actually considering two different proposals tonight. The one that's in front of us tonight is to reszone the piece of property that Levi showed us south of 2600 South. Correct. And then at uh soon on the agenda after this one, then we'll talk about other reszones, correct? Potentially in the area. Right now, council's clear talking about R2 to commercial on that triangle piece below 2600 South. Correct. And and just a point in there is I mean they they wrote their information together. They combined it and so I wasn't going to sit there and try to separate out their statements. So don't anyway uh any reason no one to not just go to second or some more time and follow procedure of taking one at a time. Okay. It's a good place to do it. If it doesn't sell, his taxes will go up. Hopefully, you'll get eventually it's going to go commercial at the landing area. Just Yeah. Awesome. Thanks. Ready to vote? Are there things you would like staff to research? Uh, more information you'd like before we have a second reading. Like Norm said, I I'm I'm I'm seeing that first reading instead of waving second reading is because I'll asked for it. Okay, that's fair enough. Any opposition voting first reading, we'll just do voice vote. Those in favor of uh resolution 2512 on the reszone for first reading, please say I. Any opposed? Okay, we'll bring that back to our final. Uh next we're on to item 14. This is another reszone application in the area. This or oh sorry this is our RM. So the because RM is very special uh uh in terms of that zone. There's a couple of steps we have to go through. First step for us to look at is to modify what parts of town the multi-use residential RM mixed residential would be allowed. So, that's what we're going to think about first. Okay. Thanks, Levi. Thanks. Yeah. And the background information that I provide in in this presentation really applies to both uh both of those items. They uh they're really interconnected. So, I'm not going to rehash everything twice. Uh oh, I'll I'll just provide the the background of both, but the the applicant has u they they did they submitted a reszone application from commercial to mix residential for a 5.2 acre portion of of parcel 03227 uh 00002. And I I should note that just recently uh there was a lot line adjustment on this u so so the images you see on the screen and and the lot lines that are shown are are a little different now. They actually align more with uh what what the applicant's proposing and hoping to get from this as far as um so so they're they're a little different but the the area the area is the same. So, we don't really need to get into that too much, but just just for if if there's some confusion there with with the parcel numbers, I'll I'll orient you with with the area that we're talking about on on the next slide. Uh so, yeah, the re the reason that this item is in front of you is the RM zone only allows spec very specific areas to be reszoned to RM. And so in order to get that reszone uh this this uh consideration for for adding this area to the map is needed. U the applicant uh the the concept plan the applicant has provided a concept plan that that reflects a portion of an existing preliminary PLA application that is uh currently under review. Staff staff has has reviewed it. We're currently on the, you know, the third review of this. Uh, but but it can't move forward, at least as as proposed, until and unless this this reszone were to be approved. the the property was recently reszoned from R2 to commercial on June 8th of 2023 and it also includes a portion of an area that was uh last last year approved uh by by planning commission well and I believe city council as well through planning commission city council for nibbly marketplace concept plan. So again, back to the applicant statement, the the need of the prozzone change to residential to join the the residential RM zone to the east. Uh the public benefit is to create more firsttime home buyer housing opportunities. This complies with the goals and of the general plan again pointing to housing opportunities. Please explain how the anticipated use is appropriate for the surrounding areas. have RM zone to the east and commercial to the west. And this question about public infrastructure and if if it's sufficient for for the property and the applicant road heritage drive needs to be built for the commercial development that needs to be coordinated with Nelson Farms the commercial developer and and the city with tiff in parenthesis. these goals uh that are really the same of what as what I already talked about in the last item because this this area is in you know close proximity. Uh it's this is just north of of the the area that that was on the last agenda item and the future land use map. It it shows commercial and medium to high density residential. Some goals to think about is is balancing a mix of commercial residential housing and light industrial uses and carefully plan for for growth in in suitable locations. Uh use the future land use map as as uh to to make these zoning decisions. And then commercial economic development goal to uh create and maintain sustainable economic base for newly city will provide tax revenues and increase local employment convenience of shopping and I I should have put it on the screen and another goal I did include it in in the packet there there is a goal in our moderate income housing plan to consider additional areas for for the RM zone. Um, so that that that would that would be in support of our moderate income housing plan. So looking at the some of the considerations here, going to talk a little bit about staff's anal analysis. So you you can justify that both the existing zoning of mixed residential I I put R2, but that that's a typo. mixed residential and um and commercial are consistent with future land use map. Uh the general plan encourages a mix of uses and at this point there's very limited commercial uses in Nibbi. So additional commercial development would support commercial and economic development goals. So really the this decision in front of you is is is is a balance is a lot of decisions that you you make of uh trying to provide commercial opportunities in the city and the benefits that come with commercial as well as you know housing opportunities. the just to orient you a little more the the red area there is is is what we're we're talk it's approximately the area we're talking about the proposed RMZ zoned area and then and then the uh tan is the current RM zoned area little more context and as you you can kind of see in the background the proposed development so this is really what the uh what the developer is is proposing if this were to be approved to to be located in that in that site is town homes as as part of that that town home development to the east. Uh this is this is the what was previously approved as a concept plan for Nibi marketplace. you can you can see the commercial development that that was proposed there. Uh and you know it's understood that that plans change and and diff there's there's different proposals that that are being uh discussed. You know nothing's been presented to to the city yet. But but one thing to keep in mind is at least at this point in time, a year ago, it it was um at least presented that this area was was viable for commercial development. Looks like I repeated that that slide. So what was that? Yeah, go ahead. Just as a side note, commercial zone does allow up to 10 units per acre residential with the caveat that there's 50% of that area designated as commercial. So you not only get 10 units per acre potential, but you also get um the residential, but I may be mistaken if that's not in the town center. It's not the town center. Yeah, I just wasted my time. It's okay. Sorry, John. Yeah, sorry. That that is applicable. That is applicable in the town center area, but but not for this area. Let's reszone it to town. So I think it can be said that both the existing zoning, the commercial and the proposed zoning, you you can definitely argue that both are consistent with the future land use map. The the general plan encourages a mix of commercial, residential, and light industrial uses. The moderate income housing plan includes a strategy to consider areas to resone for dens densities necessary to facilitate production of moderate income housing. Um however there are limited areas in Nibi to support viable commercial and economic development and that really is a gap in the city for uh creating a complete community as we as as we've kind of tried to push toward that. And so trying uh and you looking at the opportunities that 20 2600 South and the Plant Heritage Drive could provide to support access for commercial development. Um along with its proximity to to Highway 8991. Um and then commercial development potential is is apparent with with the recently approved concept plan. Again, I understand market changes and there's there's different uh thing factors factors that go into play there, but but there there there is apparently uh some development potential for commercial in that area. So both uh planning commission and staff's recommendation for this this item item number 13 was is to deny uh the the ordinance to to change the the RM zone to allow for for this area as well as you know jumping forward to the next item just just to kind of put my kind of a bow on my presentation is to recommend denial of of the reszone itself with the findings really. The reason I I say those both at the same time is the findings are the same and that's that's the existing commercial zone designation is compatible with commercial and medium to high density residential. Uh the reszone may limit the potential to attain commercial and economic development goal too to create maintain a sustainable economic base for nibbly city. They'll provide tax revenues and increase local employment and convenience of shopping. The recently approved concept plan for commercial development on the property and its site context demonstrate a potential opportunity for commercial development that would be less likely if reszone to mixed residential. uh Nyx here from the planning commission as well if if if you want to ask about their you know the the planning commission's uh discussion and we we can get into more detail there but you know these these types of themes and items were were discussed at planning commission Nick do you want to make a statement or do you want to be available for questions or both be available okay thanks we have the planning commission recommendation appreciate Uh, Professor Al, would you like to add to that presentation? Well, I think let me let me walk through a couple things because Levi brought this up. And so, back there, the reason we we zoned it commercial to begin with was because the ger wanted his store situated in a certain position and then they they've come back since then and they want it rotated differently so that they have more visibility to 2600 South. And so that's that's the issue in there is why you say well why did we zone it there? It was because it on the first layout map that was that was the purpose in there. But you know in the last council meeting mayor you asked me you said you know if if Bill and Stuart said hey look this is not going to serve you would support us in this. And this is their comment. The existing retail the layout efficiencies on that parcel and we're talking about this parcel here are tough and you only get one solid pad and the others would end up going to non- retail type uses. So what Stuart has done here is he's gone out and he's checked with he's got several entities that are ready to go on this thing. They're ready to go. But as they laid out the pad between him and the commercial developer, they realized that there wasn't that interest to go that far away from the highway, you know. And he makes a comment. He says, "Everyone wants to be right next to the highway." And he added further, he said, "If we had to keep that commercial, it will sit there because nothing will be done with it." And he said he said the only thing I could even see remotely even coming in there is some medical facility. But he says we're not even around a hospital or any any other services. He says so why would someone even come that far away from anything else to do it? And he says and so you know his point was the layout efficiencies on that parcel are tough and you only get one solid pad. I mean this is the state's top commercial developer Steuart thing and I think his word has something here and and so you know for me you know whatever I want or anything like that I think that is something there of value and say okay you've done this you know 100 times you know what you're talking about the layout efficiency they're tough and if you can't sell them we just sit there and do nothing with it because we can't do anything with it. And so that's the problem. And then he adds, existing retail is better on the south side of 2600 South. So I go back to Bill and what you asked me for, mayor, was I think the proposed resone allowing for town homes to be built east of Heritage Drive and commercial south of 2600 South would be desired regardless. He says, "Yes, this needs to done because he says we can't develop it." And I to Levi's comment there, this when they originally rolled out that that uh proposal back there about 18 months ago, two years ago, this was going to be phase two. So phase one was going to be north, this is going to be phase two, and then phase three was going to be the southwest side. But they realize that they don't have the demand for that that and you know to Stuart's point you know he says if you know I can't sell anything I can't get anything developed I I don't have anyone there that will buy that. So, if no one's going to buy it, it hamstrings us and we can't do anything with it because we just sit there hoping that some golden night will come down the road and and maybe it will will go. But that could be 8 10 12 years down the road. So my point here is you got two people that really know about commercial development and I think the award needs to be honored and say gosh they're work trying to work this deal out for the city and we don't need this property here to be commercial to make this successful. It's not going to help us. We can't buy it. Bill's not they're not going to buy it. So what do we do with it? And so that's that's the thing is is both Bill and Stuart and you brought it up mayor. You said as long as I got Bill you would be an advocate for us. Bill said it and Stuart said it you know what let's put it into residential and let's make it work and be very productive because then you got more households so they can sell the the the u the different parcels on the commercial center. So there is really good demand for the parals there. there is really good demand, but to to go from, you know, basically roughly 16 17 acres up to 25 26 acres, that's a lot. And so that was their point. So anyway, I'll shut up. Yeah, I have I have lots to say, but I'm going to hold off till I find out if this is for first or second rate to get into the heavy lifting. Do you want to add anything to that? Um, I would just say when it comes to uh commercial develop having I was a controller for five or six years for commercial developer. Getting an anchor store is key to seeing any additional commercial development occur on the property. Once you have an anchor store and there's much more interest in in potential pad sides being developed. So right now this proposal clear this proposal has nothing to do with the the main pad. This is in fact the area around the main pad that you just mentioned and the opportunity for additional commercial development around the main pad unless we reszone a residential. Oh, that's that's great. All right. Thank you. Hey, mayor. This is Joel Nelson calling. Go ahead, Joel. Hi. Um, I'm uh I'm really want to emphasize that we're trying to be partners here and we've engaged some very intelligent developers and and um um things as we've discussed a number of times have changed over the the many months we've been working on these things. And indeed, as it's been stated, things change and this request fits within the uh approved uh uh designation. And and I just asked that uh there'd be a little consideration of what? trusting us, working with us, instead of just ignoring everything we seem to have to give opinions on about how we can develop this um because there are so many parts that that are not seen that Al is dealing with in in the background. So that that's just my comment. Thank you, Joel. All right, council. I'm going to turn this to you and it will be very important I believe for our debate. Go ahead. Yeah, make a motion to approve first reading. Okay, we have a motion to approve this modification to the RMF for first reading. Second from P discussion. Yeah. When did the value adjustment change? Just a few days ago. Okay. together. It's just a race versus two which stage coach and this split zoning single person just I don't know what it is. It just rs me. Yeah. Yeah. And I think I think there may be a statement in the agenda item report that should require, you know, them to all be on one parcel, but that's that's not really necessary at this point in time. Um because they've already they've already done that if you choose to approve this. But but I mean a lot line adjustment they can move lot lines around however they please as long as they meet as as long as they meet our regulations on setbacks and zoning and those kind of things. So th those those can those can shift around a good here. Yeah. So I think that Tom kind of alluded to this, but this is just getting me back to glad because proof that it might not be what we want and we really don't have a high density zone. We don't um and I think we need a better we either need to modify that RM or we need to get a better zone for what we would like to see in these areas like this. I have a question of and this is why first reading is though this zone does not currently require a percentage of commercial or specific design. commercial. Um would be all commercial with some is there any residential allowed right now? Not commercial to be like a split where there's residential above and above current time. Yeah, we we discussed that a lot. The planning commission discussed that a lot. I mean, there used to be actually allowed residential applications allowed Marshall, we probably want to revisit what made the state go out. So, my question is to staff and attorneys and such, can such a requirement that currently exists in the town zone similar be required in a development agreement which is required I mean any of that can be folded into a development agreement but but the RMS RPDs yes but you're right they they do require a development agreement but it but it's but it not unless the applicant requests that the city can't really push the developer to, for example, add add commercial if we don't have a standard for it. The developer can request it if it's if and if it's something that isn't in line with our code, if we if the council and the planning commission goes through the proper process, you can approve it that way. But well, RM RM does require a development agreement, but the planning commission is actually the approval authority for that, not the city council. because the the development agreement and and until you start putting uh provisions in there at the request of the applicant that aren't in line with the city code, uh there's really no reason for the the city council to weigh in on it because it's an administrative approval. Yeah, go ahead. So just for clarification, are we saying that if it stays commercial zone, it doesn't allow residential, but through a development agreement that could be negotiated to allow residential in the commercial zone? it if if the de I mean if the developer if the developer proposed it but I I I mean they haven't indicated that they're all of the steps including commission and legislative decision by the council to approve that development agreement that it would take to the equivalent of changing the ordinance right so that would take it from a uh a a administrative decision by the planning commission to a legislative decision by the council, you know, because you have to go through all that. And maybe real quick, just to address your your comment before the RM zone actually does allow a mix of uses of it doesn't require it though. So you can they could if they chose vertically mix uses like like you've you've but they're not indicating to do that. We we don't require that. I think we've seen in pictures. Someone the proponent can tell us you're planning to follow the proposed residential application you've shown us or are you gonna reszone it from commercial to go back and put commercial uses in there. Anyone can answer that that wants to I'm saying I think you have made it clear you want town homes. So I apologize I'm some of the words I'm I'm not hearing everyone on the council but I'll try to answer this best I can. So, the plan is absolutely to put town homes just so we can get going on the on the residential piece and you know, I've talked to a couple of council members. You know, something came along that said, "Hey, look, you know, maybe we want a a lot here on the, you know, corner." Now, Stuart's saying that that's not He says right now, he says we're going to get much better opportunities on the south side of 2600 South, both Steuart and Bill. But, you know, is that something we could sit down with the the council and Absolutely. You know, if there's ideas down the road that come in. Um, I'm not opposed to that. One other thing I'd like to bring up real quick since I know it. Um, when you put residential areas in a commercial zone, it really limits uh possibilities of taking out mortgages because there's all kind of additional stipulations. it would be really hard to do. So, I just want to being in the mortgage industry, that is one thing that, you know, I've had to deal with it a couple times and it's just it's a mess. And so, anyway, cuz they want residential homes and residential residentially zoned areas. And so, anyway, just to clarify on that. So, yeah, you know, we want to we want to be good partners like Joel said. Nathan. Yeah. So, I I see this as evidence that we need to make some changes in our ordinances. Uh from the comments just made, I think this is a great opportunity to sit down with both this proponent and others and identify what barriers exist for things like what I just talked about. There's one area that we allow this kind of thing at stone. It's right here and that's it. And I think it's we need to make a new one or we need to make changes to RN which I know they're working on. But I just see this as an opportunity. So yeah, I I I'm that's what I'd like to see between one and two is asking this proponent what are the barriers? They're open to what I just talked about, mixed residential and commercial use in this specific lot in question because I'd be very willing to zone this to a existing zone or a future zone that allows that almost actually requires it because it makes sense. It's a it's an awkward shape. not gonna get like a pad or anything, but if you mix it with some cool unique designs, I think we could actually have something pretty neat. I guess I'm open to that. I just don't know how much the proponent is up to it. Sounds like they will see number two. Let me add a little bit to that. I'm not I'm not going to get into heavy policy discussion with the legislative things that I think we should be thinking about. But I will say this about the RM zone and I will say this about what Newly City has done with this proponent. There is only one area in this town that is zoned to the highest intensity residential use. the most intensive use, the most intensive residential number of units per acre. There's one area in this town we're talking about that now this recently there's only one and it belongs to this. So we have you know come aways with this component. I don't think there's uh I'll I'll wait for uh I I won't say that we have not worked with proponent but so far they're the only ones that has RF. So what does that tell us about our familiarity? That's why the planning commission's you know trying to figure out what is actually going to do. Is that really a tested zone? But there's only one and it's on the parcel east of the one that we're talking about that's already zoned at I think it's 15 units per acre but that was that was through development agreement annexation agree agreement just a different different thing there. Yeah, that proponent left Logan because of the requirement talking about doesn't mean that it's not good for anyway. Uh I think we're going to get to the nitty-gritty of mess when we get to the second reading. So the motion is for first reading unless we change that. I'm going to I'm going to shut up about my own opinions and what I think as a legislative branch or legislative body we should do. I post the voting for saying no objection. Let's do it. Uh, voice vote. This is to approve. Say it again for me. Item 14. Item 14. 25. This is to approve ordinance 257. I started being moved to the book. Uh, for first reading which would modify the RM back. Everyone clear. Any voice? Those in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed? Okay, motion passes. We'll bring it back. So, the next thing on the agenda is really just a formal followup, right? Because our end is such a special zone, one that we don't have experience with that requires this extra step, so on and so forth. We can change the map, but that doesn't actually change the zone of the of the area underneath the map. So, this is a proposal to change the zone of the same area. Am I correct on that, Levi? I'll give you a motion to approve orders 258 for first. Motion to approve. I'm not going to repeat it until someone second. Thank you. Got it. Now, we have a motion in the second uh to approve 258 uh reszone in the same area that we're talking about for first reading. Discussion, please. I'm going to call for a vote unless you're opposed to it. Okay. Anyone? All those in favor for first reading on ordinance 258, please say I. I. Any opposed? Okay. Fine. Motion posts. Thank you very much. Okay. Uh I think that takes care of you, Wes, Al, and Joel. You're welcome to stay and see what's going on south of you. That's the next thing on the agenda. I'm going to dive right into it. You guys good? Good. Okay. This is Okay. Thank you. Thanks. This is ordinance 2511. Annexation and zoning for three parcels uh down between 1,200 west and 1500 west uh going to about 4,000 south. And this is this is actually we talked about this before. Yeah, this is second reading. Agenda item 16. I think it says first reading. Oh, okay. It's in the back. This is first right here. Okay, Levi. Yeah, I I'll be brief on this one. Uh there there were a number of um items that that the council asked staff to uh discuss and consider and do some research on. We we've started that. We've engaged with the um with the both applicants. We had a we had a good meeting with them to talk about, you know, looking at the road and ways to improve the that road, specifically 1500 West and the gap between where NibLi ends now and where where it will pick up if if this is approved. and uh the the applicant is doing some more research on on costs of of and and what they could potentially bring to the table for that. So, we uh as as staff recommend to continue this item to get get that uh information to you. It's not it's not quite ready for you tonight. the applicant has has agreed that, you know, they're okay with waiting those those additional 3 weeks for for that. Uh so so yeah, kind of uh we hope we hope to bring you more information at the next meeting, but if if you have anything additional you want uh to to bring back or or anything else, you know, we're happy to if if you want to discuss any of that, but but in general, we we ask council to continue this item. Uh we appreciate your work on it. Um there there were some sticky wickets to get through when we looked looked at that the last time. So it's not surprising that Tom and Levi are still trying to figure that out with with proponent with the developer. So it's up to you Garrett been good partners. Yeah, they're they're trying to find a solution I think is what you're saying. Y make a motion to continue. And is that motion until our next meeting? Okay. Thank you. Second from we have a motion to continue on this 25 until the council's next meeting. Discussion on the motion to continue. Keep it up, guys. Okay. Thank you. Those in favor, please say I. Any opposed? Thanks. That's the end of the stuff. Good job, staff. Good job, council. We do have We do have Yeah. Nothing to report other than I had a grand baby until Well, and I appreciate having they come do presentations on our parks. I know they do a lot that we don't give credit Yeah. Please pass that along, Jerry. phone watching. Nathan, how about you?

Um, I I think I'll just say that uh I'd like to schedule some chat about ordinance enforcement and relationship with the sheriff's office questions there. The other thing is um west day I had some citizens call me about a unique experience where seems to be a biker gang of unidentified youth and like mountain bikers that are using the uh islands as well as the barrier for a stun bike park. uh the reflectors were being knocked off. Uh he said that it was about um 40 minutes of him waiting for them to clear the intersection because they're filming each other, etc. He got out, asked him to move and just kind of felt helpless. I explained like, did you call dispatch? Like there are things you could do here, but so I don't know if we just can communicate with the sheriff. Know this warmer weather. Maybe I know they're patrolling that street already. It's about 6:00 p.m. but still in daylight hours. Just kind of a group of individuals that off the road was theirs. So he waited in a vehicle at the intersection for 40 minutes according to what I told you. According to what was told to me they were there. There was another vehicle that they're intersection guys. What are you doing? We need to get that bicycle pump correct made a bunch of tax I don't have an action. Yeah, just the conversation with everyone us appreciate Cheryl forwarding a lesson on Right. It's just always great to have Oh, Frank Smith. Yeah. Yeah. It's It's just always good to have people write in share. So, I actually uh I may have blown it if I did. I'll wait till the next meeting. I asked Frank if he wanted that uh put in the public record and he said sure. So, I don't know if it goes in the public record for this meeting. We didn't I mean he didn't say he wanted a red. He just said it would be fine if it was in the public record. Question. We talked last fall about those nature center. There were a couple questions and so pretty sure. I'll double check. We have we came to I know how people want to Yeah. So, my Justin and I met with school administrators and um they readily I'm not sure what I said in my email. I'll try to remember and say the same thing. um to each of you individually. Uh and and and they they readily understood that it's a council decision to wave or reduce either impact fees or uh uh review fees from Nibbly staff and I told him and I think I told you in the letter, let me know. Right. I just wondered if you had multiple people tell you they want I have had no one okay say they want that doesn't it's not a final decision they still owe us the money I assume they haven't paid it yet it's a lot of money uh the last thing uh I was going to bring up was just had someone tell me today that speaking of gohead stuff they had gone biking with their kids down I think down 12 west I don't even that they had got several flat tires so I wondered if maybe in our share about things that we starting And uh so we I mean you know what the you know what the resolution is. Yeah. And Okay. Um I I'll I'll admit that I've been negotiating not negotiating. I've I've had discussions with staff about stuff, but I don't want to talk about it in a non-aggended item. So, it is what you guys adopted officially. I don't know if there was additional talk or something that's moving forward on that. I don't know why is uh and then wondering if there was a plan next week for the training that was ongoing. Cheryl, are you going to cover that? you guys ready to plan a carpool right here on spot. So, it's uh mayor, council member Larson, and Watch for my I think we'll be a little You can work it grass just make it worse. I just want to know. Yeah, I'll I'll have to follow up with it. Find out. Um Dustin, I talked to you about stuff earlier. Thanks for working through that. Um I don't know you guys probably someone opened that and letter thinking water and water quality heat fast. There's a webinar that we might want to pay attention to. I'll just let you keep it. Thank you. Uh I think I want to talk about anything else. Levi, uh just wanted to thank the council. I I had the opportunity to go to the National Planning Conference, the American Planning Association in Denver this last last week. Great conference. Uh learned a lot there. Denver is an interesting case. It's it's close. It's in our region. I I learned a lot about how they've grappled with modern, you know, affordable housing and a lot of different issues. So, thanks for that opportunity. And and at the same time, um Evan was able to go to the Utah um Ordinance Compliance Association conference uh which was held in Wendover. And he really he really enjoyed it. he he really just wanted to say that he that he appreciates that opportunity to go there. Um they he he got certified as as a compliance officer while he was there, studied in the evening and and took you know took the test on the last last day. So, um, learned a lot with Justin and I had a good talk with him on on things that he learned and and kind of tied into that network and I don't think anyone one from the city has ever been tied into this this kind of code enforcement network. So, it's it's good to kind of broad broaden that and get that education. Thanks, Dvi. Uh, Justin, go ahead. I don't have anything unless you got questions for me. I've just been absolutely par in this budget and this water rate. So, anything else? Opening questions. Try to drag this out for another hour. 1200 West J. Thanks for bringing that up. Just some of the things we've done at staff. done speed studies on there to have taken vehicle counts and they're personally measured like distances and things just make sure that all the intersections were in compliance with MUTCD requirements asht requirements which are the basis for guide or the guide to the design and build trying to find something wrong with it because I just can't find anything that's out of compliance. On that note, phase five is out of bid. This extends from just north of 2500 South up through the Firefly Estates subdivision. It will add the same bike lanes. It'll have the same concrete mounds. And then it also extends with the bike lanes south of 2980 south down to near the the roundabout. But let's have a bid. I've scheduled it. So bid opening and stuff, we have enough time to evaluate the bids and bring forward a contract to city council May 1st for consideration. We'll have a recommendation for you and it'll most likely be low bid unless there's some math error or a reason to doubt the qualifications of any contractors. We did make some tweaks to the concrete mounds on the design. In this case, we shifted them back a little bit so they're more in line with where the jersey barrier would go. And I also lowered them four to 4 in. So instead of 6 in mountable islands, they're going to be 4 in tall. Much more palatable, we thought, but it also help with some of the public concerns that we're experiencing. Any questions on that? All right. Ridgeline Park haven't given up on construction of that. Next week I have a meeting on the 15th with the US Fish and Wildlife Service. So they are the governing authority of the protection of the you ladies dresses. They're coming on site. They're going to walk the whole site with us and we're going to have the opportunity to describe how we're going to protect this. It's an orchid. um they've asked most or they haven't officially asked, but it's most likely that they're going to ask for that area to be put into a conservation ement. If that's what it takes to get this park done, I'd really encourage the city council to consider that. Is there just get a head nod? Would anybody be opposed to preserving and putting that that land into conservation easement? I don't know who would hold pardon. We would have there is a fee. It depends on who holds that conservation easement. If it's Nibbly City that we ruin, but if if they wanted to the Department of Natures or Who's watching the hen house? Yeah. Still grass or anything? Can you still use it in any way for space with a trail or anything. So the conservation ement would describe what's allowed through negotiation for service. 18 wetland area. Maybe not quite that much by the 2/3 of the total park. So in this particular location, the entire wetland area is considered suitable habitat for them. It's going to it's to me it's going to be key as conservation follows. Exactly. So, there's more to that. And uh but I think what this allows us to do is get this project moving forward hopefully. And if it everything goes right, I anticipate construction starting in September this year with completion toward June of next year. Both phase one and phase 2. We have a phase 2 A and 2B. We applied for a grant to help us with the cost to construct phase 2B which is the bike park and phase 2B is the perimeter track and jump line. We've already got funding for the phase 2 A which is the interior bike parks and stuff but anyway good news there would it be helpful if council mayor comes with that meeting I can invite anyone that would like councilman will be in St. George, it's on the 15th. It's kind of mid morning toward lunch. Let me check. Yes. What day you guys go down? It's at 10:30. It'd be on site. Oh, yeah. And this is start the fishing game. Yeah. Yeah. Your plan started sometime in May to June. They said it shouldn't take long. I conservatively I'd say the end of July, but about two budget. I already had the opportunity to work with Aaron on a pedestrian crossing investigation and analysis on 3200 South. This would provide a crossing from Ridgeline Park to Ander Park. looked at three different locations, vetted out the pros and cons of each ones, and through some iterations and some really great conversation, we decided on a location that goes on the east side of 340 West that crosses through toward Andrew Park. It would take up about four or five of the the handicap parking stalls and an additional couple other ones. So, we're looking at possibly removing everything west of the the big telephone pole that sits there, the power line that sits there. And then because of some visibility issues with the actual flashing beacon bar, we had to find out a way to move it toward the travel lane so people could see it so it's not 20 ft off the road. So, we discussed the how to do that and we came up with an idea of just tearing up some asphalt, putting a planter box in there, mounting that right into the traffic. It would also because it's such a long or wide road and long length of to travel for pedestrians, we decided that we put a center and it would act as an area of refuge for travelers to grow in there. So it'll be a a three beacon installation with vanity right in the middle planter on that south side. Three points of activation of the beacon. Three. Yes. Yes. On one end, the middle. So we're hoping to have designs rather quickly. It's something outside of our staff's resource that we really can't get as well. Get back. I don't have a timeline for that. Hopefully by the end of the fiscal year, we can have it. Lastly, and we I've ordered some street lights. We have about $8,000 budgeted in this year's budget to look at street lights at various locations. Turns out we can only get about two and those two actually exceed the $8,000, about $8600 if I remember right. We selected two locations along the highway. There's some really dark spots at some intersections along Highway 891. One's at 2600 South. Should have been done when they did the road. It didn't get done, but there's danger there. So, we're going to mitigate that with a light there. Then the other one is it's at Heritage Parkway or excuse me, Nibi Parkway. It's right by the Young Trailer Shop there and that'd be another location that we'll have that in. We're working through work orders with Rocky Mountain Fire, but as soon as we get that all done in contractor, they should have those in this summer. Now, so I I bring that up just as we're working in this budget year. If there's more locations that you're concerned with, let's have those discussions so we can get that added to this shoot budget. And if you have those locations, let us know what what those are. We still have Aaron, we talked about an additional location for one more crossing. Just think about it and get with us when Good point. Good. So, I'll keep you posted on your pass. Thanks for your help on two. Thanks for your help on that. I don't know if you want to share anything with the council on how that went. Unless you have questions. Hey

Joe seasonal over the last few days we have six

additional applicants which is good. A lot of those applicants have been by other work groups before or so we're getting the feeling that NI is a great place to work. Something we haven't um the interlocal agreement for election services showed up in the cash county today and it is not going up down especially if we get abuse because a lot of that contract is based on postage. Um and uh the the ordinance passed by the council um changing the the delinquency fee fees. U Wendy then had a letter to those individuals that we considered delinquent and um she we've gotten this response. I'm just going to read this letter from dear Mayor Jacobson and city council members. I an update regarding recent changes maintained with city code 15.02. 2.0. Yesterday we resilience changed their to since yesterday have paid. This is a fantastic start with strong step. Let's get back. So, there's been a lot of excited excited talking and they just wanted me to express their appreciation of your school. We wrote the letter that went out with the delinquent bills and explained maybe explained the change that we adopted and all that. Uh just a reminder, Saturday uh 19th will be our spring clean up here. Uh conveners will still be taking load. So be open from May 81 out there take care of them. The way you said garbage bins and metal bins and green waste. No. No. Individuals take their green waste, right? Okay. Is the metal bin a recycle bin? That's a dump drop that will go to the recycle bin. That's Thank you. So, um I just wanted to express one thing to you. I'll give a presentation tonight that I feel like really emphasizes what public works what he did, but not all public works. You know, we have a high performing staff there. So, I just really want them all to be recognized because what he put out there for you guys to see essentially four guys take care of that's a lot of work. So, and every other department has that same responsibility. So, I just I thank you for the support that you give us to allow us to bring these people in that make this efficient for us. So, thank you. Who Who would you like to see next? open water told Jared to get ready as I have I told him to get ready tonight first. Okay. So water water I can switch to if you like. Yeah. I just want to thanks for being I did have an impact on ground stuff but like I saw change. I didn't know you guys got done if not message from Tom but that was so I think I got cleaned out right as I first came and notic back up again all man through that area so when we unplugged that was a 10in line it boiled for two days there was that much water that was released I mean it was boiling so so if I could clarify that maybe So we have some land drains that run across the property from the subdivision that Nate lives over to the west to the Slooh. Some of it goes through out through Maloof and then there's weed there. We've always heard about or thought there was this other that heard rumor can't we never found the end of it. We never did anything more to investigate it. But the the one kind of the big main one was back in 17 when all that flooding when the had that anyway uh you know we unplugged it then because what happens is the the water moves through these uh pipes and the trees get their way into the pipes and and it was like completely plugged off. So the pictures are amazing that you'll see they pull the root ball out that's 40t long and this big around that should be on YouTube. Yeah, I agree. Words. So the Maloop one, we've been we've known and we've had troubles and we we've kept it clean, but but but Steve went out and actually found the other and had similar experience with the other one, got it cleaned out. So now we have two very functioning landings that run in the area. So yeah, that's a great And what's the effect? We still have two pump all the time because they so it's the amount of water in the basement get those on the GIS. and we extended. We we

actually out in the slooh the pipes are out in out of the vegetation. So hopefully we can put a 20 foot piece of pipe on It's a little different here. It is a little Yeah, we dyed it. Tom put some dye in it. This is what's really crazy is dye come out of outlets in the park. He put it in the park and died come out in two hours. I don't know. I told you this. There's queen. I had gone below it in the excavator and I had a dam up here just face the side. He's going to get a piece of rebar and hook it up and then pull this roof to the whole wall. Well, the excavators

below my life to get out so fast. That was intense. We made it. All we saw was the monkey trying to put the cork back, you know. All nights. Yes. like vernaculars time. up. Yeah. I think we should have public works as our next presentation and thank you Steve. Uh Nick, do you have anything for us? Hey to a journ.