Nibley City Council- 05/22/2025

once not once have these people complained to me whatsoever about weather or anything. They're just awesome. Now some improvements we've made obviously a couple years ago obviously you guys have heard we had accident west so what we've done is we've improved we put new lights on west I kind of took out a read so you could actually see it better but just not a good picture also too in the back slide and I can show you here. So what we did too, this is this will be a better one. So see that stop sign? It actually lights up. So we bought all the crossing guards signs, new signs that light up and you can see better. So that's an improvement. And then now we just barely implemented. We have two out right now. We put GoPros so if something does happen, we can get a truck or license plate that we can turn it into just because And now the the two GoPros are on actually on 3200 on with Heather and on the ground. okay. So, this is my cool slide for painting and signs. We currently paint 53 crosswalks a year every year. Um, that's not accounting the new Northwest. They're loading. We do paint over here. And we also do uh pay as well. And then uh center fair as well. That is on the left is our beautiful New York City logo. It's great. We love it. It's big. It's bold and you can see it from pretty far away. Yeah. Green. Green. Excellent. Sure know how to pick a sc. But okay, and up the streets. Um, talking about some storm water. This is this is our baby. Sorry, I apologize. Usually when I click it, it goes up too. So, with your guys's help, we were able to purchase our new sweeper. It's awesome. So what what the difference was was between a sweeper deep sweeper is that's like a regenerative air it's on air and the other one was mechanical so just a broom so it sucks up a lot more dirt and the other one you can obviously see in the back is um it has a tube so it can suck out manholes, street signs, things like that. beforehand you have to use the back for Jared's equipment and know we can still use that been very successful with this storm water obviously we see a road here that's that's dirty very common we're trying to eliminate that some more but it it did get cleaned up so this is the one on the bottom was a couple years ago that was actually really fun this was by the charter school it seems like we have one every year ducks have some kind of crane that got second storm? It was just fun. The boy was very very uh worried, but we got him all out. So that's just part of school. That happens once a year. So right here, this is a map of the storm water cach basins. So obviously you guys can read we have 1740 cache basins and then This map we inspecting all of it with the help of our public works inspector. Obviously you can tell some are green some need maintenance things like so we're going to go that clean out the sweep. So this is a fun one. This is uh this is Tom teaching all the kids love storm water if you guys caught that last night. Storm water he does. He loves that teacher. The one it's our finalized letter about saying we're okay. I'm actually it was over a year doom and for I think when we got the letter I think they had two years of storm water sank and that was a long process but I'm very proud of that letter by office and have all the the 65 action items behind it so that was a very good team effort that was not me at all that was very effort So looking back going back we had the best team that could attribute this with Tom and with all the other team that helped us going forward. So that that one's going to be no one's going to be in my office for forever. The next slide is just kind of some of the projects we've been doing. So I don't know if you guys are familiar. There's a trail behind the 10th west kind of behind the church on 10th west and you can tell there was a fence there. It got demolished. I can't say who but assuming kids cuz there's kids back there all the time. But you can see the picture doesn't do do justice but there's a sidewalk right there in the bottom and it's all sloping down. So we actually extended the pipe 20 ft so the kids couldn't didn't slip and fall in. And actually funny story is there's actually fish in kind of want to go over some final takeaways of the presentation. some successes and challenges. Success is preservation. I feel like we've done pretty good with that going forward. We we have great equipment. We're a small city. We have very good equipment. Very appreciate that. We have a small we have a great small money team. We also have a very good commodity between the public works staff. Obviously, this is so cool. Guys, if you guys don't know, this is Jared. These guys are the man of public works. I feel terrible because obviously I wasn't here for them, but I was I listen to on YouTube. But you guys won't find that anywhere else. And we enhance we preach safet. That's one thing that's that's very important. I'll tell you later on slide why we're here. It'll be bad snow this year. I think I got like two year. It's pretty good. There's some challenges that we do have staffing shortage. Obviously, it's just me and Mitch. We have a a summer help that's going to come back this year. So, there's just a lot of things to do. to a shop space. We are we are packed tighter than sardines up street shop. We have five doors and I think we have like 13 or 14 pieces of equipment. So it's either the door side door side. If you guys want to come look at it, you're more than welcome to. Then one thing too would be would be going in the future just some asset management tracking saying if you guys called and said what would this cost we could tell you right well this is what we've done prior it's going to cost us and start tracking things because obviously you guys know cheaper as usual and obviously accomplishing everything for time man time we have to spray weeds, if you have to sweep, have to do a bunch of stuff that are very important. Um, my challenge too is just as the school crossing at 3200 roundabout. We had a few name misses just takes some education. I think we need to make some improvements there next school year. This is why we're here slide that goes. So that's my little boy. I love he does that all the time. But after the second one, it's fine. We're here for a return to our friends and say that's the most important thing. I think this I think that's one of our parts here. I apologize. picture taker. But I love that picture. I have it on my I used to have on my phone just okay to be scared, but it's awesome to be see the improvement. Yeah. So, want to thank you guys. Love to hear we have a great staff. tell you this before even like the the previous employer I would no nobody on city council that's all by first name so that's pretty neat you got any questions comments concerns thank you Chad yeah in terms of um your challenges to staffing shortage do you feel like you you mostly need like for summer help or fulltime like what would be most valuable to you? Yeah, thank you guys. I look forward to uh we won't do it right now, but I' I'd like to dive a little deeper on 3200 South roundabout with you and if you want to explain, but we can put that on agenda staff obviously to do some work before we look at it. Right. Yeah. All right, great job, Jack. Thanks to you and you appreciate that. Next, we have uh for the council's consideration a resolution that would adjust a contract for Cash County Sheriff's Law Enforcement uh contract. Of course, then thank goodness NibLy City does not have its own police department. I very grateful that we are able to contract that Cash County and uh we have Sheriff Chad Jensen here to talk to us about not only that contract if if you would you know anything else that you'd like NibLy City to know about. Yeah, it's great. I appreciate the time that I you know you guys always get me to let you know what's going on in law enforcement in the valley and in your community. I think the mayor already kind of hit on it's contract time again. So I apologize it's a little late getting in front of the council but I think the mayor and Justin have seen the contract and I have met with them prior. Um, so if you the last three years, we did we signed contracts three years ago because we did a three-year contract and working on the hours of service with all communities in Italy being one of those. And this is the last year of the three-year contract. Um, moving forward, I'm just on a one-year contract is we I focus on getting the hours up closer to the ride, but I haven't done anything with what the the hourly rate is. So, I haven't done anything with the hourly rate for like eight years. Um, and in that time, we've done a lot with wages and keeping our staff here in the valley. Um, county council has been great great to my office and and paying our staff. Um, but I didn't need to start getting that the hourly rate up to what our costs are. Um, but with that, like the hours, I'm never going to come to the city and say, "We got to come up and figure out these hours and this rate and just dump that on the on the cities." Um, the cities have always been fair and we've been fair to each other and honest and as long as we're making some progress working towards that, that would be my ultimate goal for this. So the the the last thing was 5235 an hour and I'm proposing um to go to $56 an hour for the next contract year which starts in July. So what that does for your contract it's $8,300 increase 043. Next year's contract proposal is 127344. put about an $8,000 increase in the hourly rate. Um, as far as the hours go, I think we're in pretty good shape with the hours. Um, you contract for 274 hours. Currently, so far this year, you're about,68. If I average that out for the whole year, you'll be at about 1,200. Well, pardon me. That's the incident. get to the time you'll be about 180% will be about what it was like was last year. So so far this year we're at about 3 3600 hours um which is about 159% so far for the first 10 months. Last year we were at 4265 and pretty much to be about that same number. So that puts you at about 180% of what the contract is. Um which I'm pretty comfortable with what that is. Um I'd rather have us be over on the hours um than come up short with Nibbly City and not be obliged by the contract that that we have as you put us on. Um so for the one-year contract mixture I'm just reporting the hourly increase. um and give me some time to work on what that needs to look like and hopefully work with the cities and do another three-year contract after next year and and start focusing on the hourly rate. The hours with Nibi and across the county are pretty comfortable. We've made a lot of progress through the last threeear contract and I think we're in a pretty good spot. um incidents in um Nibi currently for the first 10 months we've responded to 1,68 calls for service push that out be about 1,281 last year we did 1345 calls for service in Midley so there has been a little bit of decrease in calls for service and mong with the rest of the stats I can kind of explain to where we're coming at with that so citations currently um we're at 400 for the 10 months. We'll average that out. We'll be about 672 citations in Midland and last year we were just at 400. Um there's some reasons I think why your calls for service down and that citations are up and and Lieutenant Ramirez, do you guys know Kim? um he's done a great job in patrol and rather we we messing with patrol a little bit and do more directed patrol to where there's where there's problems and be more proactive in the patrol we do rather than just guys jumping in their car and driving around waiting for calls and doing it that way. So we know problem on 800 west. We know there's been speeding issues on 2600 south speeding on the highway. I think we address those pretty to that and with that valley um% increase in DUI arrests 60% increase in drug arrests. So being proactive, I think, is having a difference in the calls for service, but it's also being proactive and having safer communities because we're dealing with problems and traffic and and those things that are dangerous to to NY city. So with that I have a few ticket majority of that increases in speeding tickets um and school zone tickets and that's where we've been focusing pretty hard this year was on those two main streets during the school times. Thank you. Sheriff Justin, did you have anything to add to that? No, I just like to say I really appreciate the sheriff's office. appreciate the relationship with uh with sheriff as well as uh number of lieutenants, number of deputies, and I think they do a a pretty great job for us and a good service. So, we've had uh I mean, if any little bump we've had, it was it was working through our ordinance and trying to make our ordinance more enforceable by the sheriff's office by making sure that you know like smock table and spillment software and our fee schedule. And it it took that's the only little bump I feel like that we've ever really had with the sheriff's office is kind of iron set that out. And it certainly was not all their fault. We had staff changes and things. So, uh, just appreciate working all that they do for us and it's been it's been been phenomenal. Just one other thing I didn't tell you about the inbound facility. Um, that was a headache for two or three years trying to get that built with picked the wrong timing to try to build something during co and the supply chain issues. It took it what was going to be a nine or 10 month job almost two years. Um, but it's been fantastic so far. Um, so far it done what I hope what I had discussions with the councils and the mayors um is it's it's paying for itself and the pet owners and animal owners are paying their fees and their fines and we're we're not happy to build the cities or anything that we come out and empty. Um, and I'm still a proponent of that. I I don't think that new should be responsible for somebody's dog that gets loose and pay the impound fees. They think I'm a pet owner and if my dog got picked up, I would expect that I would pay those impound fees and not believe in paradise or anything. So, so far it's it's been very effective and kind of self sustaining. Um, in a year's time, we picked up 32 impounded 32 animals from Nib. That's 28 dogs and four cats. Um I think that 100% at nibly is the owners that come and pick up their animals. As a whole in the facility we have about a 95% um pickup rate by the owners to come pick up their animals and we're about 100% rate on adoption. So um it's been great so far self- sustaining and I think it fixes a big problem that that all of us had with animal control and where to impound animals and have something cost effective that that's good for all of us. So, thank you for being supportive of that and and letting us work here at animal control. Thank you. How's uh your staffing been? Have you been able to maintain and keep keep staffed or is that Yeah, we've had a good couple of years. This last couple of months hasn't been so great. There's there's a couple agencies, Ogden City, PD one of them in Boxeller County. um they've done some crazy thing with their wages and it's seven eight dollar an hour increase depending on how many years of service that you have. So we've lost in the last six weeks we've lost five or six deputies to to other agencies for the money. Um and that's too bad. We that's experience and a lot of training that we've given them and experience in our division. Um, and we compete very well with with our region and life society's agencies. I'm not going to try to compete with Auburn City. We're not Auggland City. I don't want us to be Augren City. Um, and if that's what they need to do for their family, then then they should do that. Um, but we're competitive with Auburn City's part of our region we compared to. There's 15 agencies that that we look at and we're sitting about number five, three, four or five in that list of 15 with our wages and benefit package which I feel really good about. But yeah, we we have lost a few. Recruiting is getting better. I think we've uh the last two years ago we have our hiring test. We had seven or eight people come wanted to be in public safety. the last two tests we've given, um, we've had to shut it off, but 40 people, but we've had a hundred applications come out. So, there's a lot more interest in public safety right now. A lot of that to do with politics. Um, the work changes in law enforcement, not the big bad apple that it was portrayed before. And the interest levels back there, we got some great kids um, coming through the sister right now. Got to get them. So, we're filling our holes. I guess the long story short is we are able to fill the vacancies we have pretty quick thoughts. Sheriff, we do appreciate the personal attention that your deputies give to us as as their client. Um, you mentioned Lieutenant Ramirez who's a Nibbly resident, former city council member and I think a great asset to the county and also doesn't take a unfair interest in Nibbley, but we feel like, you know, he definitely supports us. Uh, Deputy Atwood and when we have something to talk about, you guys are like, "Let's sit down, take the time, and let's talk about it." that that's what I I'd rather do a little before they come and I do appreciate Justin and if there's an issue we try to jump on them and be a good partner for you to we're all successful to work together and that's it's not what we have in the valley is not very typical of what happens across the state that cities kind of get along and law enforcement and mayors get along and contracts kind of work. Um it is a valleywide effort and it works. So I appreciate the partnership that we've had with Nimi for a lot of years. Great. Okay. Uh if if we have other questions about the contract, we'll probably turn our attention now to the contract. We we'll ask the council to consider that contract. Uh we usually often look at things on two readings. First time might be might be, you know, make sure we understand what's being presented. see if there's any follow-ups. So, depending on what the council does, we uh we might do a first reading tonight and then pick it up in our in our next in our next council meeting. And we we need to have a contract, however, it turns out by the beginning of July. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That I'm not expecting to have it signed tonight. And if you need to come back or answer questions, you guys call me. I'm happy to meeting or talk on the phone. Whatever you guys need me to call, I'm happy to be correct. Thank you, Sheriff. Okay, council. We'll turn it to you then. Motion to approve resolution 16 accept. I have a motion and I'm waiting for a second. Okay, second from K. The motion and second is to approve 2516 which would adjust the hour of the rate on our contract for law enforcement and animal control. And the motion also include the waving second reading. So as we move forward with that motion that would that would be enacted tonight. So what do you have to say council? Let's hear what you're thinking. I think uh they do a good job like we talk about if we try to do it in a house it would cost a lot more than this. I don't know if one full-time person with this price even in our own city staff we do a 3% cost of living at merit so it's not too far. Thank you. Uh to add to that, there there are communities that have their own I mean Logan's big enough probably to have their own law enforcement. High Park and North Logan the North Park. Uh I feel like in chatting with mayors from those towns, we're doing the right thing for a town size. The the cost benefit we're we're I just feel really good about having this contract with for law enforcement serve. Okay. Uh if no one has anything K are you? Yes, please. So I was slightly hesitant about supporting for second reading. I'm just curious if any concerns that they would want addressed. Yeah. And certainly, K, if you want to test that theory, you know, an amendment, see see where that goes. Let the council weigh in on whether they're comfortable with way waving a second read. So, are you proposing on that? Because initially my first thought was, well, we should wait for second reading and I thought, what do I want different? What am I going to ask changes? Right. So, well, and if there are if there are things we can clear up with the sheriff or with staff uh between now and adopting or or looking at this on a second reading, we'd be happy to to take that on. Okay. Okay. Eron, please. I just was wondering in this letter that the sheriff sent to you that he mentioned some issues with that cash facing with the new finance director. Is that fair contract that we entering it to? Sheriff will you address that for us please? Okay. And do you understand the question? Is it okay? Yeah. I got that from other two and I don't mean anything any different by being with the county but we're going through a lot of changes and you've got another I just don't want my office or your city wrapped up in in changes over there. Um I'm the elected official for law enforcement so I write the contracts. I create the contracts. Um, that'll have anything to do with the with the county other than the finance piece of it. Um, but a lot of things are going to change for the better and good. Um, I just don't want my world wrapped up in in some of those changes. Next year, like I mentioned, this is a one-year addendum basically to the current contract is come work with the mayor and and the council to look at a three-year contract. Um, so we're not doing this every year. This is really just again let the county get caught back up with their new staff and their changes um to not interrupt what what I'm doing and what anything else. Is there an objection to any objection to voting on the motion which be which would be to adopt this resolution and wave second read? I see no objection. So let's proceed with voting if you call the role for Cheryl please. Five in favor on the oppos. Thanks for your service, Sheriff, and to to your deputies for coming tonight and for everything you do all all week long. Okay. Thank you. Terrific. Next, council, we've got another resolution 17, which would authorize the mayor to apply for a contribution grant to the US Department of Interior Bureau of Reclamation for culinary water projects. Justin, Tom's not here. Are you going to carry on this one? This is just technicality. We've already applied for this grant many, many months ago. We were successful and told we were awarded the grant. It's uh got held up just a little bit with the new federal administration that took over. There was a little bit of worry that things were going to pan out the way we wanted them to, but it was like kind of like wait. Now it's like go go go go. So one of the the check boxes that they need to see is this resolution. They they wrote this resolution. Basically, we're just passing it through to to have as a formality to have you guys approve it and then we'll put that and I should sorry I say this is a $400,000 grant from the Bureau of Reclamation towards our new well project. Now, there are some strings of every federal project, but these are tied specifically to test well and design and engineering and things like that. So, we've done our best to qualif make sure we qualify the for the grant, not uh not not try to hide anything, but we're also trying to get the most permanent stuff we can out of this uh $400,000 as well. We're just trying to be really intelligent about it. So, again, it's pretty well wrapped up. We just need this document signed and send it in and get moving. Okay. Thanks for that. I'll turn it to the council. Make a motion to approve and second. Motion to approve Fed. Second is our second from K. Thanks. Anything about it? If you pass this, I'll be drunk with power. Um, those flowers. I mean, it's pretty small footprint. We do have to jump through some through some of those hoops, but we're not anticipating those problems. It's a great question. Council member Lson, what did you vote? In favor in favor in favor. Thank you. Five in favor, none opposed. Resolution passes. Great. Next on the agenda, we're coming back to uh an amendment proposed for

Meadow subdivision. We spent some time on this in our last meeting. Uh, Levi, would you be willing to give us an update on anything that might have changed since the last meeting? And yes, the applicant is here. Travis, thank you for coming out. We'll obviously give you a chance to address the council, too. Yes, I have the wrong presentation up, so let me forgive me. Give give me a second here to pull it up. But yeah, I'm going to follow up on on the items that were requested. And then there there's one additional item that that uh came up just in in discussion and and is proposed by the applicant that I'll go over. Um so a as noted on the agenda the the developers proposing some amendments and these these have been to to the development agreement for Nibbly Meadow subdivision and these these have been coordinated and discussed with with city staff. Uh there were a few uh follow-up items that that I I wanted to go over uh at the request of the council. One was looking look at the potential of realigning 900 west. Uh the uh I'll I'll just show here on the on the map. So this this is what was proposed at the previous meeting. So if if you look at the bottom right hand side of of that schematic, you'd see in that red area that that was uh going to be a dedicated half road for 900 West. And there was a discussion of, you know, uh whe whether they needed to improve that or not. and and that this this approximately this alignment is uh in line with the master plan the transportation master plan but but it was pointed out that uh the alignment of the these master plan roads don't need to necessarily uh follow them to a tea uh that they're and so what is being proposed now let me so this is this is what's being proposed causes a change is to realign that that road so that you know rather than a culde-sac for the in that in that area where those homes are this would be this would be a a stub street and then there would be no need really for that half road on the east side of the development. Uh this this has been discussed with staff and and staff is is in support of this change. uh the the pro it there it doesn't seem like there's going to be any big issue for the property to the south to to jog this to uh to the east, you know, 100 ft if if necessary when the when the development to the south develops. And and it's just a more efficient layout of, you know, with for houses on this where where you don't have a a house with with a street in the front yard and and a street in the backyard. Um, and it's just sets up better better connectivity for for the future. So, we're we're in support of this this realignment. The other thing it does is it allows the relocation and I'll I'll go over in more detail kind of on the next point. the there's two single single family home lots uh that have actually already been platted and up up by the park area and they were able to relocate those down to this area. So you can see the kind of the light green color on the screen those those two single family home lots they they're able to relocate to this area because they they can fit two more lots there. So there's there's that benefit as well to uh that this would this could be additional park space. They were kind of two awkwardly placed lots and now you've got a nice kind of square uh park, you know, bound bound by streets on three sides and a trail on on the fourth side. So really good access there with with this change. Do you mind talk about that term briefly? Is that is that to use those two laws or they just give you enough room to back up the back the back slide? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Let me go. Yeah. Fire turnaround easement. So we we we approved these in the past. It's a temporary turnaround. And uh like for example, we have one currently. Um and uh Meadow, see I'm getting the names mixed up, but Brett Brett Swinson subdivision there that that he did there. There's a stub road there and and there's a turnaround Meadow Creek subdivision. So it does it does encumber a a property or two there with that with that easement ju just so a fire a truck can turn around. But you know so it' be paved there on on that private property. There's probably a few different ways that they could do this but at least on the concept plan that's what they're showing there. It is something that we've we've dealt with in the past. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's there's no need for it after that. Yeah. Is there anything else? Yeah. So just just to show again this is the overall uh development plan and then this is what this is what was proposed previously and this is what is now proposed with what's in front of you tonight. So you see how that that changes there. Um, so something else that was was brought to our attention was uh within our parks recreation open space master plan, we have we have guidance for uh what we should consider when acquiring additional open space. and and so we met as city staff with with uh our city engineer, our our parks uh supervisor and our our recreation director and discuss all these items. So, just to go over um and and there is there's a memo that goes into more detail that's included in the packet, but first of all, speaking to whether the site is suitable for recreation, both both passive and active. Uh the this site there is there's a master plan, a concept plan with with that's in the the master plan currently for this site that shows a dog park, splash pad, playground. Oh, I I don't have skate park a skate park as well. I don't have it on the slide. So, there's quite a few different amenities, you know, as as well as a pavilion uh that that are that are shown on there. and and really with the current configuration, it's pretty tight to fit all those amenities. And this would allow for more flexibility. It would also allow for some field space that's needed, even even, you know, small field space. For example, the in the in the current concept, there's really not any room for any type of field space that could be used for for any kind of kind of active recreation. And so, this would allow for that. Uh there there could be a potential additional amenities, but that's probably not likely. It's pro it probably just you'd be able to spread spread that area out in addition to with this area and the uh the Hawk Hollow property is we we could get the this kind of array of different amenities, but but spread them out with with field space as well. there. They won't just be packed in kind of a close location. That's that's what we and again it can be designed differently, but we just we just saw an advantage there where we we still have a need for additional field space and with this space we there there's a there's an opportunity to expand that that field space and and provide that flexibility. Uh also in the master plan, it looks at topographical challenges in general. what's what's being proposed to dedicated the city has little goal little topographical challenges. It really is a flat site. Um and so there's that the within the master plan it talks about prioritizing land that helps the whole city and not a single neighborhood. uh with with the amenities that are planned, these are uh focused on amenities that we don't currently have, aren't aren't serving the community yet with. So, we we do expect this park to to serve the great, you know, really the whole community, but it's also in an area that isn't isn't well served by parks. And so, it it helps uh improve the the park level of service in that in that area. Um, and it's just it's in a it's in an area that is very, as I mentioned before, it's very accessible where it's right on 1200 West and and with with C couple, you know, cross street to the north, then the south planned as well as as well as a regional trail. So, it really it will be a well-connected uh park to the community. Um it's also it's adjacent to the existing park you know that that's already been dedicated to the city and and is shown that there's a there was an within the parks uh recreation open space master plan there was there was a analysis done on which areas of the city the city should focus land acquisition on and it was a lot of it was based on how close it if it For example, if it's if it's right next to an existing park, then it scored high. Uh if it's just barely removed from a park, it's scored low, if that makes sense. So, it was focused on, okay, we want to build on the existing parks. We don't necessarily want to build a bunch of little parks in really close proximity to each other because that that's that's less efficient to to maintain. And so this area really is is a high preference area. Um the estimated capital cost and that that's assuming you know uh grass and and um you know putting grass in here and irrigation and and those things. And this this was provided by by Rod as as an estimate 100 about 112,000. That was kind of on the high end. And that that's assuming, you know, that this this really is is used as as as a field space. Um, not to say that that that would be the only thing that would go there, but that's that's probably uh what would be added to the park if if this were um acquired would be some field space since in the master plan there's not there's not much field space there. Uh and with that the estimated annual maintenance cost is about $6,000 there rounding up. So really looking through all these recommendations staff recommends acquisition of this. It really ticks all those boxes um with that were identified in the master plan with whether whether to acquire this and and feel it would be a good decision for for the city that way. Uh there it uh Nate in last meeting brought up this question about you know the the developer is proposing additional density additional 22 units. So, because the RPDO ordinance currently as currently written and and as I mentioned before, this wasn't what it was at uh when when this development was originally approved, but it currently caps density at 5 units per acre as a base and then TDR allows for additional density. This is a potential tool to to increase density. Um in this case though the the developer and this was all discussed in the last meeting has included a the within the ledger an estimated net profit of for each additional units uh each additional unit of of housing. And that's really factored into if you remember within within that ledger the the cost and the and the benefit for the developer and for the city. And that that is actually right in line with what we had discussed for a method of calculating uh development rights and and what what at least the city. Now on the private market, people could could charge whatever they whatever they will and uh you know be between the developer and a and a private seller. But as far as the city's development rights, that was actually right in line with the method that we discussed. And so in general, uh, staff, you know, we feel that's already been accounted for. It's just rather than in the form of development rights on another property, the benefit the city gets is this additional park space and the the improved storm water facilities that we that we mentioned that have been accounted for in that in that ledger that was presented previously. So really uh TDR is it it although it could be something that that could be pursued, it it really makes sense to at least with the city's development rights to uh to reserve that for a future development. Um there there could be an opportunity with future development to to do that because once you once you sell those development rights then then they're gone. Um, so we we just feel like that was already the additional density was already kind of accounted for and and is incorporated in what's being proposed. Uh, this last one, this wasn't necessarily something that was proposed or or discussed at the last meeting. Uh but but the developer has has has come forward and I I I believe there was some discussion with with uh with council member Sweden about this on with with with developer. I but but it was it was discussed that you know with this proposal of of putting all the units on one lot. Uh there was just a question of well are any of these going to be affordable to moderate income households and and so what what the developer has proposed as a way to address this is that 50% of the additional units so there's 22 additional units proposed compared to what was originally approved. So 50% of those so 11 of 11 units would be affordable to um households earning 80% of the area median income which is uh the you know right at the moderate income moderate income level. Uh there's the what is considered affordable. Well, what what we've defined it as is 30% of of the income. So, there's there's kind of a formula in there. We've we've followed the pattern of something that we put in the ADU ordinance as far as the uh the source of of the income. It's based on HUD and the they they have HUD limits based on household size and so there's there's a reference there and it's it's for the Logan uh metropolitan statistical area. So that's incorporated in there and you know the question comes up well how how do we ensure that they're doing this? uh it would require annual documentation from the developer to the city as well as the HOA if if applicable. I just had a conversation with Travis today that there may or may not be an HOA, but if there is, uh our our attorney just suggested that it it would be good to just cover our bases there. The city could do our um documentation, but the HOA could as well. Uh so this restriction is incorporated into the draft agreement. It was originally proposed by the developer uh staff added some some provisions in there to for particularly to u further define what you know what we mean by 80% AMI and what's affordable. And then the the attorneys also reviewed this and added added some language in there to uh just just to ensure that that it would it could be documented. We did put a 20-year sunset on it. Uh I guess that's just trying to be practical for how long we're really going to monitor this that we don't necessarily have to do that. That I mean we could say this goes forever. I mean I I guess if the developer is amenable to that as well. I didn't ask uh Travis specifically but that was just a number that we came up with of what we thought was reasonable. 20 years is is a while to monitor these things. So could be 50. It could be correct. Yeah. Yeah. So that's that's what we have that that's the only change to the current agreement. Yeah. This is affordable to 50% of what I think is 22 units 11 units that would all be owned by one owner. Yeah. Right. Am I getting that correct? Okay. So it's half and that was the issue that we talked about instead of individual footprint ownership with individual owners there was an advantage to the applicant to have the entire 22 unit block owned by one which meant they would be rented and then this is in response to what's up for lack of home ownership with affordable housing. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So that that is all the updates. Um I'm going to skip down to the recommendation. So it is it is staff's planning commission recommendation to approve this ordinance. Uh there there are some conditions. I crossed out a couple of these because they've been addressed. So this the one is that 900 West improvement which isn't is no longer necessary. So suggesting not to adopt that condition. And then also I guess I didn't mention this in the in the report but developer must construct bypass piping running along the park. They with within their updated um proposal there. It shows the pipe where where this where the city engineer has recommended that it that it run along. So that's that's already been agreed and and uh incorporated. So really the only condition is that developer must coordinate with Hawk Hollow Development on their findings and USA COE determination requirements regarding wetland adjacent to bypass pipe because there is there is a a with on the national wetland inventory. It does show a wetland there adjacent or and it and it may impact that that bypass pipe there on on the north side of the development. remember it was some of those were 42 inch pies. They were around that range. I'm I'm not sure I understand your question. through his subdivision. Is it going to interfere with like your long term? Like we'll have to clean that out very often. Not any different than any other pipe that we maintain and manage. We do a lot with digit. We need to put stuff to clean and it's going be a big expense. Yeah. Maybe Jared could probably speak to this better than many of us. How you clean a 42 inch pipe? Can we clean a 42 inch pipe right now? Yes. That big truck that we talked about last time, they can clean a 42 inch pipe. Uh the limitations on that is 700 ft, but we could do it. It's better to do it from one side. So 700 future limitations on cleaning it. Now there's contractors that can clean it further. Yeah. So we just have to make sure we haveish manholes every 700 ft. Correct. So from my perspective it's you know we have other pipes that are somewhat pipes that are in the 36 inch range. This might be a little bit bigger but it's nothing that's scary or out of normal. Yeah. information questions for Levi and Travis will give you a chance as well to speak speak to this. Travis, why don't you go ahead if you have something to add to that and then I know you'll be around for the discussion too, right? Yeah. What happened? Thanks. I think he covered everything. It's a little bit frustrating to go back for first reading and second reading, but I have to begrudgingly admit that sometimes it makes the project better. I think this ended up with 900 um better. It it just makes more sense. Um, the other thing is the complete continuity of the park space now. And it just happened that two extra lots fit into that area where we have the culde-sac and converting that 900 culde-sac to a through road there that it that it matched the two lots up there. So I I think it's much better for the park. Unfortunately for us, we've already put in the infrastructure there for those two lots. Fortunately for the city, you have infrastructure there. You know, you have seaterals, you have water hooked up, you have So, I'll gradually admit I think this part up. I I shouldn't I I walked away.

We'll come up with Sure. Exactly. I'm going to I just want to add a couple of things because just just the documents you may have noticed in teams a few of them have had a very recent update. So actually what's on your screen is a little bit different than what is actually in teams. Uh the the difference is that this and I I just pointed this out that some of the trails that were master planned aren't shown on this and I just wanted to be clear that all those trails are still required. So they they did put them on they did put them on the the draft that's in teams which is what would be adopted and proposed. There's there's an east west trail in particular the it's kind of on that south end that isn't shown here and they they I think it's just an omission because they they put it right on when I when I asked about it. So just wanted to point that out that it's a little bit different. private clubhouse. Yeah, private clubhouse. Yep. Um, yeah, part of it. That's that's in the current draft. Yes. Yep. too any room to negotiate that you you see maybe the council's point of view is trading what would have been a public asset for a private asset and and we know this is all the result of trading park space and storm water space and there are good things for the city that's one thing we did talk about maybe see if we can twist your arm or something I think we also tal mentioned Somebody's ask a couple. Number one, I'm glad you brought a tiebreaker tonight just in case there's a tie because I I can appeal to the one behind you there. Number two, I think I'll bring this up, but is there I saw the I saw you changing into your shirt here before the meeting. So I would like for the first million dollars that we spend on impact fees, maybe I can get a shirt. So So as the doc is by the budget that the council approves, there's certain amount of money in there for the mayor to spend on discretionary funds and I felt it appropriate for the council and planning commission to be I've heard of the team. The shirts are great. Oh, okay. But I don't think you can. You can buy one. that if this were the only hold up tonight, I think we can work out an additional contribution towards a maybe council member Larson feels like he wasn't able to have flesh, you know, extracting that. So if this were the only thing then I say you know we could probably say 30 $40,000 items both cost about pursuit and that's what I had a couple people ask that I like are we giving enough splash pad? And I remind him go a splash pad towards one and we g parking cells for for park. Yeah. Well, and it was a step tour. So to their point that what does this city need and when we first I've been on here for this is my eighth year and we're excited about landing but in the eight years we haven't developed any of it. It's just so expensive on the city level to to build this out and then when you do grants that's ask you this other one one little hiccup um back in years to try to to get a couple. So, as a as a developer, you guys, I commend you. You brought a lot of good neighbors in with their subdivisions. You do well. You work for the city. You're willing to negotiate. But I think that's the what can we say? Hey, we got a regional pond and my thinking is is the other subdivision are going to pay impact me to hook on to this. So, we'll get some more money from them because they're going to benefit from not having to take up very poor detention bottles. But I know a pickle ball or two would be a lot easier to say this is this is what the community gets in a really big hotel. But I think if I remember right part of the discussion on the original was just that what assurance is there and it really centered around the impact piece. What assurance is there that I can't remember I think it was I think it's you that was concerned that hey developing this what assurance do we have and can we put in place that will make sure that at least some of the money gets spent here and that's where that 50% of the impact fees collected in the area. So there's an assurance there and you've been collecting those impact fees. zone. Um there's going to be a pretty good war chest built up for the development of this park. And I I don't think it was limited to 50%. I think it was a guarantee of 50%. So that at council discretion, then it could be more generated from this development that gets spent on this part. Yeah. As far as the as the clubhouse is, you know, switching from public to private, it was it really was intended to be from us an option not to build a clubhouse. What happens if we don't build the clubhouse? And that's why we had the two statements in the development rates said at our option, we could either build a clubhouse or do the fee and live. The other one just omitted the option and just said pay the fee. So we were trying to follow the some flexibility but it kind of bit us in the end. So in this part two we demand all these things and it makes your HO fee go up so high that it's not affordable where a lot of these are going to be privately owned. So then you get a privately owned south of private legal clubhouse. Like I said, we got 22 units that are going. So for twisting your arm, you offer one Well, I would impact really significant the impact he's generated on the earth very so I would think that they very adult get this far and that's not including the fees that are being paid for other I would think it would be very well covered. So, we're I I said in the morning like let's just build 40. If we could lock it in there, pay that. We can say, "Hey, within the next year, we'll pay that two years. We got to figure out where we're going to put it. I can appreciate that, but I also have faith in the staff that they'll be able to figure this out and put it out to fit and get things built in in a reasonable manner. to approve ordinance with the recognition they had and then 40,000 for the football court towards fee and that's what the Thanks. You're awesome. Second. There's a second from K. So, the motion is to accept the development agreement with the addition of $40,000 to help build parts on a fee to be collected, not make you build. Should I bring that in those big checks? Sure. I'll give you I'll give you a shirt for sure. I'll buy it for 40,000. Nathan, do you have something for us? A second. Okay. To adopt the amended 40,000. So, it's about that much. Okay, great. Uh, thank you. Um, the area in blue there, um, is not getting asses due to wetland problems. Is that accurate. You can just stay up there. Yes. Yes. And no. I mean, I we can't get the the core to act. Yeah. Um Yeah. I'm just kind of curious as far societ, we are blowing that to pieces. that one of those things which I despise but is a dog park but it makes sense in this area due to the development. Um, so one thing I I would just I don't know how feasible it is to I don't think we're going to follow the concept plan, I guess, is what I'm saying, which I don't think is required, right? Um, but I, as we're talking about pickle ball courts and some of these kind of things, I think it's I don't know, relook at that concept and and make sure we're following that that plan. And I think we we are but I guess the thing I'm throwing out is one thing to consider space there for part. So is that going to be the blue the blue section then it's private? Yeah. But you're you're saying dog park. You're saying I'm saying the concept says dog park. Hate dog parks but I think it's a good spot for it. better than our concept plan. That's actually a pretty good spot for the dark bra adjacent to your walking big long trail. Exactly. We had thought of that. I I really want to tie that to tonight, but we're happy to talk about that. So, Sure. I'm going to educate you, but all these donations, you can write them all on taxes. So, And there was a statement made about possibly no HOA. If if that if we for those that are on a single lot, it it it will be managed by us. We have management content. That's all I have. Got it. So, one of the struggles because obviously Mary right the channel is very popular because I had a number of people reach out to me after this last meeting. I give these benefits to the city. I try to explain to you and maybe you could help me figure out how explain the public benefits of a regional swarm because they don't explain well enough to get one. Well, I think key point maybe hit is that $150,000 would not build a splash pad. Like it's it's money, but it was there's no I mean I think the last time we looked at the splash pad it was $400,000. That was like seven years ago. It's probably double that now. Um yeah. And so we are not giving them a splash. You're giving a bit of a fee in the loop. But the benefit of excuse me, the benefit of the regional storm water plan for us is just maintenance and headache and dealing with wet ponds having to go back reconstruct them and people don't like them because they don't look good and they're hard to mow and they're wet all the time and they're mosquitoes. So as staff we just felt that in this particular case because there's already a wetland there it be very cost effective for us to build a regional build we basically need to go stick a plug in the outlet to reduce the flow a little bit and it's my understanding that's about all the work we have to do to make this a regional pond and then it just frees up all that other area to be able to flow to that and we don't have these smaller ponds that now Rod has to go maintain. He has to water them. He has to mow them. has to take care of them. We get all those complaints and things. So, to me, in this case, it just makes more sense for a regional storm water plan. And I understand that uh people want a splash pad and if they want a splash pad, then we need to budget a splash pad and work towards it. I don't think this was a nail that was or going to ensure that a splash pad happened. Yeah, we specifically mentioned that. I said this to them because that much I got beat up pretty good on see they see us trading this benefit and in their mind only taking us and which isn't true but can you explain that to them because they just see us giving up restroom parking stalls splash lab but we get one in turn a little more grass to do is they want amenities for their kids and does a better job somehow explaining this because a number of people reach out to me on this one so people really do well that makes me hope and understand explain some of that maybe a easier to understand way for the general public because all these you got rid of the restroom called a splash pad was close to maybe somehow we have to emphasize that it was just money towards one but we can still build one if that's what people of people in this one become like we were giving everything away and getting nothing in return which isn't true but we can explain it well they still weren't very happy you know before I get to Levi one the other thing is just the increase in size of the park I think it was 30ish% increase in size so that's one thing yeah that's actually what I that's all I was going to say but I mean at the end of the day it's it's dollars and cents and it and it just it's a better it we feel this is a benefit we're doing this as a benefit benefit to the city from from a financial standpoint and, you know, from a from a long-term maintenance, from a more usable park, a more efficient park, and we can develop it, however, however we want it, whatever we can afford. I don't I don't I I I know we focus on specific amenities in the agreement, but at the end of the day, it's it's dollars and cents that can go to whatever. And in this case, yeah, it's expensive for a for the pipe, for example. But, uh, if if if the city wanted to do that, we could, you know, turn that whatever it is, $200,000 over into 400,000 and then we're out $200,000. I mean, that that's just kind of round numbers, but at the end of at the end of the day, it's a good deal for the city. We fill the whole the whole package. And I obviously was quite at the end of the day still happy. Is this discussion helpful? Do you think if you're since obviously they want some things but I think some of the people in that area right it's been underserved and really wanting I think they just see us in their mind they saw us giving something away but it really is would be true. Was it Nathan and then K or I was just going to respond to G. I had a conversation with some about this and I compared it to maybe we were left at home and we were building home. Um, it's not very exciting to really evaluate the studs andations. It's way more fun to pick all the upgrades that go kind of like the upgrades, but what we're getting is a really great foundation that we don't currently have really great for sure and they seem to accept that better. I'm not saying you're not going to have degrees, but by having a really great foundation, we'll be able to better or a really great solid basic structure, we will get more and more and still just proposed amendment to the motion or yeah amendment uh which is to not tie the $40,000 to specificity and just accept a gift due to what we're now talking about here. Like I think that sometimes if we take E in L of some something, we feel like we're giving out a thing out. It's just that we're so my my motion is to abandon just not designate just say it for park amenities. And is it park amenities on this park or how I'm just I'm not arguing. I'm not I'm just asking what the motion is. My motion is just towards park amenities here for park amenities. Okay. There's a motion and a second to amend to remove the dedication of 40,000 to pickle ball courts and instead change that dedicated to park amenities in the city. there. So, let's talk about demen. Yeah, I think I stated by this patient that just not designated to some specific I think we have a concept plan whether it's this park or different park we had. Okay, other comments on the amendment. Is anyone opposed to voting on the amendment? Seeing none, I'll ask for that vote. Those in favor of the amendment, do you all understand it? We clear. Uh those in favor of the amendment, please say I. Any opposed? Okay. We we could have given you a chance to say Well, thank you for that vote. The amendment passes. So the 40,000 would be committed to recreation but not necessarily that spend in this area negotiated for this park in this area. Yeah, put put the balls here. Yeah, I appreciate what you're saying. I want to uh thank K and Travis for taking the the portable housing approach that you did. I mean, I saw the ownership by one person on these 22 units as being a serious drawback to what would help develop a community attitude of individual ownership. Uh but one thing your solution provides is a much easier path for NLY city to in fact do something about affordable housing because if it was all individual ownership that affordable housing would apply to each individual lot and then you know now we're talking about a purchase price and so on so forth. This actually t I'm not sure if you guys appreciate this or not, but this creates 11 units of rent controlled housing. Some people don't like that word. We have a property rights guy here tonight. Uh but you know, rent controlled housing and I think we do have to do something about affordable housing. the state's going to step in and start swinging stuff if we don't really do something towards our affordable housing plan that we've laid out. And so, um, I'm I'm glad I'm glad we're taking that step and I appreciate the simplicity of the way it gets implemented because we're we're stuck with implementing with that deep restriction, right? Niboo City for 20 years would be responsible for making sure that de restriction is lived up to. Well, it's not too hard to say the area median income for the Logan metropolitan area. Is this number 80% of that and 30% of that towards rent and that's can't be rent can't be higher. Well, is city or still kind of familiar with whether it's going to be an HOA or n city? The way I understand this from training at the league, HOAs are not allowed to do deed restrictions when it comes to affordable housing. Those fall to the municipality that accepts that deed restrictions as a part of affordable housing. has been Yeah, the the HOA was was a was requested by the attorney just as kind of a backs stop if the city doesn't, you know, doesn't have the bandwidth to do it. There's someone else. There's someone else with eyes on it. But if the HOA doesn't exist, then it would just be this the city. And what is the let's talk about the benefit to the citizens of Midley with a small step towards affordable housing. What is the benefit to the HOA once it's established and built? I'm not sure they're motivated to enforce the need restriction in the first place that shouldn't fall to the city before my opinion. Anything else, Nathan? Does it make sense for us as staff in the city to uh invest in some concept plans and stuff while the developer is still building to partner and reduce costs and things like that? So that's in the budget, right? For for the for the park, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, that's the design. You maybe you could maybe speak to that, Justin? It's in the draft budget to to get started on the design for So you remember we had a little bit to begin the concept plans for that part. This fiscal year that talked and discussed and used it for the engineering of the pond and so there's a there's a pretty sizable number in the park impact fee proposed budget. that we could certainly work with Travis, discuss, talk, whatever we can do to partner up, but uh there is money budgeted to do that this this school year coming moment. Uh we have our parks director here, Rod, do you want to weigh in on that? Are you okay with where we stand? Okay, thank you. Uh, is there It looks like we've run out of things to say. So, is there an objection to voting on the on the amended motion? Seeing none, we're all clear on what it is. Yes. Cher, will you call the ro, please? In favor. In favor in favor, thank you. That passes. Five in favor, none opposed. I'm looking to see uh Justin, you're the signatory on this from what I see. And so, will you make sure before you sign it that the amendment is incorporated in the development agreement? Yes, sir. Okay. Thanks, John. Thank you. Thank you. Not sure what we're going to do if you don't come back every night. Let's see everyone have a film. Let's take that. Is there is We're on 10, which is is that the annexation and zoning assignment 2511? My apologies. That's all right. It it would just be to continue it indefinitely until the applicant uh requests that it be on the agenda again. So part of the reason it's on our agenda tonight is because I I don't like continuing indefinitely. It seems like either to fix or cut bait at some point. So I always encourage motions that would continue until a certain date. Um and that's why it's on an agenda. That's a liability of continuing on a certain date is if there's not progress and we're not ready to really get into the nitty-gritty of it when they just keep showing up on agenda. So, um I I think it's a terrific idea if the council is willing to continue this item indeed. A motion to continue. There's a motion and a second to continue this item indefinitely. Um, nothing for us to do, nothing for staff to do. I mean, I know they're working through some ideas about the RM and what would be mixed residential versus RQA and so on and so forth. So yeah, that the RM is on the agenda tonight, but uh just just to remind you that the applicant uh that that is was was part of the proposal for the annexation. They're they're working with the other property owners on potentially purchasing the remainder. uh but uh they they haven't quite completed the the you know the contract negotiations there. So we can't can't really move forward until they and until every you know everyone within the annexation area that owns the property is ready to move forward. The other uh the other option would be to just deny it and then have to start the whole thing over again, which we don't really want to do that. Yeah. Oh, and the representative is here if you want to say anything about Blaine, right? Yeah. Thanks for coming. Yeah. Blame. So, yeah, just the final uh ownership transfer has just not been complete yet. So, whatever unless Yeah, we talked about a conditional vote on it that once that transfer is completed, but it sounds like this would be a better option to to just wait until that has happened and then do a little on the annexation. Excellent. And if we forget to invite you to speak as the applicant, you we we we you have a right to do so. Don't don't let me ignore you even though you're very polite. Okay. Okay. Thanks. Is there opposition to voting on the motion to continue indefinitely? Is there a second? Yeah. Here. Thank you, Cheryl. I hope I recognized him. He just said okay. Uh same office in voting. Those in favor of postponing, you definitely please say I post. Okay, we'll make it so. Thanks. Okay, now we'll get on to 11, which is uh sorry, another look at reszoning a parcel at 2600 South, south of 2600 South from residential R2 to commercial. Uh do we have uh online? I I'll have offer you first. Levi, do you have something to on? We This was another at the I think at the applicants request continuation. Make a motion to continue this indefinitely earlier one. There's a motion. Is there a second? And I'll repeat the motion in the motion is to continue and is there a second. I see second from K. So that's that's what we're going to talk about. Yeah. And again this is from um into commercial. It's going to go commercial. He wasn't in a line. If we don't have a commercial, he'll get out of green belt, which he'll probably put back in the green belt kind of me stone bridge. So continue once you get somebody online, right? No, no. If it's continued and when it comes back, it's the That's what I'm really confused about. I mean, I'm not a tax attorney or anything else, but there's all kinds of commercial property all around town, all around Nibbley that's in rebell. You work for a title So I think that well first of all the the city has the right to move forward with the resone. The city can reszone property even without an application. We have received the application. We have applicant to have it delayed which we have done. I don't know Nathan go ahead. Yeah I propose an amendment to just put it on the next agenda. definitely. So the amendment to postpone indefinitely is to not vote on it tonight but post until with the hope that I'll make a change in Okay, let's find out if there's a second and then we'll find out why the motion is offered. Is there a second? Okay, thank you. So now if if Aaron would like to ask Nathan a question, I think that's a great idea. What's the reason at this point? So my my suggestion is to confirm what was just discussed between council member of what happens to the taxes, help the proponent. Because to me, I'd like to see it because now my ability to sell it and market it is a different value. But if the concern is just this is taxes, if it's just taxes, let's figure that out before. So timeline makes that happen. Yeah. Go ahead. So if and is this like something else? If if we pass it in here, there's still the opportunity to accept your No, we the city has a legislative right to his own property. I don't think any of us are against this being help them solve what it is concerned about. So make a decision. So I think that's a great amendment. I'm trying to figure out where Ny City's responsibility is in terms of having a landowner understand his tax implications of doing things with his land. I understand. Do you have an idea for us? Uh how we work that out? I think it's important for us to know as a city. So we just ask that question, you know, for ourselves because we seem to not be real sure and get confirmation. Yeah. And then we can know that when we go to the city and share that information. So Garrett is suggesting we have a conversation with county assessor and say what are the tax implications green belt so on and so forth of a reszone if there's no ownership or land use change. Right. Can we have staff take that? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We don't we don't necessarily need to consult with the applicant, but we can we can do our own homework and bring back what we've found out generally and we can come back and report in our meeting when we pick it up again. Well, here's what here's what we got from the assessor and here's the source of information. And if he doesn't like it, he can pull it from the agenda. He can, but the city has the right to own the property in our jurisdiction with or without the applicant's uh approval that he launched the ship. I just make sure I Okay. Yeah. I mean, this this could have this could have been zoned by the city as commercial at any point in time when it was annexed. The city could have said, "You know what? We we don't want this residential. We want this commercial. We're going to zone this commercial." Now, right from the get-go, that could have been a council decision. Yeah. Just uh let's see. Let's vote on the amendment then, which would be to change the motion to uh not continue indefinitely, but continue until our next meeting. Any opposition to voting on the amendment? Okay. Those in favor of the amendment, please say I. I. You now have an amended motion in front of you, which is pretty much a whole new motion, but that's okay. Uh we all understand what we would like to accomplish before our next meeting with staff. Thank you very much. Is there opposition to voting on the newly amended? Say none. Those in favor of postponing this item until our next meeting, please say I. I. Is there any opposition? Saying none. We'll take it up again. Thank you. Uh yes. Sorry, I should have been quicker on my question. Garrett, did the email from Joel satisfy your concern about split zoning on a law? Yes. And that and that wasn't on this item with the same. You're right. Sorry. Sorry. You're all muddled. You're right. Thank you. Sometimes the ball moves. Yeah. Okay. I think we're up to number 12 then. Uh I have a umpiring analogy to our recent efforts to increase enforcement on our ordinance. And it seems more straightforward to think that we have baseball rules that get written into a rule book and the umpire's job is to make sure that the rules are followed. That seems pretty straightforward, but it gets a little bit more intense when we actually start writing warnings and citations to citizens because they didn't know the rule or weren't aware of the rule or um they may not be surprised to know the ordinance is there, but they may be surprised to find out that we're going to start following the law. So because of that, there's been, you know, you've all had feedback from residents about a specific item or two. And so I don't know, are we going to take the blame for putting this on the agenda? I think we will. So Justin and I put our heads together and a relatively simple change to the ordinance on uh two different items. Actually, we have we're going to take the first one first and that is parking on what Justin is going to explain as an undeveloped park strip. Is that enough? Yeah. Okay, Justin, take it away. and then we'll have a public hearing after that and welcome any anyone from the public to weigh in on it. All right. Thank you, mayor. Yeah. So, this has really come up on 3200 South. We have similar issues along 800 and on 2600 South where there's no curb and gutter. It's a really wide ride away. People have been using that property for a long time through for different things including parking. And so as we've walked down this relatively new path for us to really try to get after and enforce ordinance, we've ran into some questions, uh, some bumps, some upset upset people. And so we just we're trying to figure out if there's anything we should do to try to resolve some of that. And so the amendment that is offered particularly in the 3200 South 8 West 2600 is is the definition of an unde or excuse me a definition of a developed park strip which essentially means any anything that's got curb and gutter. It's got curb sorry just even a a curb right so like a in Apple Creek where we've got the what is it called? I can't think I could do the right word. I apologize. ribbon curb. Anything that's got curb, a park strip and then a sidewalk would be defined as a developed park strip and there would be no vehicles allowed to be parked in that area. So that would free up the ability for people to be able to park in areas where there is no curb and gutter. Specifically along 3200 South is kind of a big one. 2600 South's a little less eth there's a little less room so it's even more difficult to provide adequate parking there. We'll we'll kind of get into that those discussions a little bit. But what I really wanted to to me specifically speaking about 3200 South and these three older they're the older more major kind of where Nibi really started. They just uh kind of been developed a long time ago. It it really to me comes down to what you want it to look like. And so if you're okay with the way 3200 South looks, the way it's been used, then this amendment would continue allowing people to do what they've been doing for a long time. And you feel free to chime in here anywhere you want. Please come up come up to the mic so people can hear you. You are correct. Aside from right this is just Yeah. You would have to be out of the bike for sure. There's no no question out of the bike lane. That's a good point that that people have been doing. So that that is a good point. This proposed change to the ordinance does not allow parking in bike. So the state code, the nib code, uh there's no so if there's a bike lane next to an undeveloped park strip, there's still no parking in the bike. Does that cover it, Evan? Yeah. And we've had discussions about how where and if we need to delineate those more clearly with two lines. A lot of places right now it's just a single line. So we I have asked Tom and Steve and Shet to look into striping plans for these three rows to see what we could do. But it's it's it's sort of up to you guys. Now there's al there's the aesthetics issue, but also there is some element of safety. We have had some complaints of people parking in these areas and not uh feeling safe because they're encroach on the sidewalks and and visibility. So there so there's I don't want to say there is not a safety concern. There is you can decide on the level of that but like I said it's been happening forever and I'm not aware of any actual incidents or action. Anyway, so I just I just we can blow through these pictures. This is really just to try to show you what's out there and what's existing now. So, obviously here there would be no parking in that park strip because there's a curb and there's none up anyway. But this is the east end of 3200 South looking east. Jenny's is just there on your left. So, this is one of the more developed areas along 3200 South. This is a little further west but still looking east kind of on the edge of the RGEL line development. So, a little more developed. You can see we've got a issue to deal with in the future here with the the widing and the width here and really kind of nailing down how wide we want it and if we're going to have to purchase homes in the future to to expand the roadway. Uh then we get into some of the little less developed more older parts of town. This is just west of Ander Park across the city hall. It's just on the right here. And if you notice this is a swell that we put in four or five years ago. I think this area is heavily used during heritage days for parking. A lot of people will park. There we go. The we'll park in this area. It's a swale, but it is not steep enough that it still functions for parking. So that's a bike lane. Yes, we have a bike lane area. This would be the bike lane. So you're saying they cannot park in that if if they're not in the bike lane. Correct. They can park here if they're not in the bike lane. That's the proposal. Yeah, the propos this I'm just making sure every Yeah, this would be considered an undeveloped part. We didn't really define undeveloped. We just defined developed. So by I guess by default, this would be undeveloped now. So this would be undeveloped. Further amendment as it is now. People could park here as long as they were out of the bike lane and not on the sidewalk. This is in front of city hall. This is another issue where you know currently this is so wide right now that people park here all the time but technically by the book this is a bike lane on both sides it's a continuation of a bike lane it of that's a great example. This is mostly almost across the street from work city. Now this is what this so this would be Apple Creek just across the street here ribbon curve this would be considered a developed park street there technically for this code there would be no parking in Sarah I don't think we've had any issues but since this is the backyard we haven't had a lot of people that I know of using this as parking this is just same picture that's still looking down Apple creek one thing I thought of is you you look at ribbon curve it looks pretty good when on the side. When you stand right over the top of it, it's a little less a little less appealing stimulated. So, this would be this is looking west a little bit further west than the last picture. This is where you kind of start getting into more of people have been using this area for parking. This one's a little deep right here. This is a storm water outlet in this area. This is the same on the other side of the street, I believe. I think there's another. Yeah. So, so this is a particular house to where these guys have had this is kind of really bit these guys because they used to park in this area here and this is one of the ones where it's a little tight to park in that area without having your bumper over the sidewalk and your rear bumper in the bike lane. So, they have gone ahead and are doing some work here to try to put in a driveway cuz as we one of the other codes that we're talking about is and issues that we face a lot is people parking in the front lawn. And if this was just grass, it would be considered front lawn for our definitions. So, we've had issues. That's probably one of the other big kind of contention points we've had with people is people kind of using this area, but it wasn't driveway, if you will. Our definition of driveway is paved surface or a hard surface of gravel. And so some people have gone out and dumped a couple of rocks and said, "Well, now it's gravel and it's considered driveway." So we clean that back coat up a little bit. Just said try to be a little to be free of weeds and vegetation. Yeah. And just wanted to add that per our code, they you also can't park in a driveway that's in the this is the park that's considered the park strip. The whole area between the sidewalk and the roadway is a park strip. So our existing code doesn't allow whe whether they're in the bike whether they're over the bike lane or the if they can fit their car in there, it's still not allowed for for our existing code because it's in the rightway because Yes. because it's between the sidewalk and the road. So, would this amendment change that? Uh, well, it would because there's no curb, but not because it's driveway. I just thought of that looking at the picture. Right. So, this would still be considered undeveloped. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. So, this is another, you know, something that some people are doing here are circular driveways to kind of combat their issue and they've got they don't have a front lawn here, but they have good access to their home, can get in and out and have driveway to park on. So, this is some this is a little more fluid. This is the railroad tracks. We're looking east now. This is a public works facility here. I mean, this little spot here looked appeared to me like they had been parking there. And if you parallel park there, okay, can be on the as this one in here to give Evan a job to try to track down the person that parked in his bike lane. There might be a reward bounty put out potentially, but this is a little further west from that. And I will this was before the state law changed. Just saying. And then I realized that I took a picture card, walked in front of the car, took another one, but I thought I'd leave it in the front. Same picture. This is getting down in front of the elementary school. This area is kind of one of the contention spots we've had where people have used this for a long time to be here when there's events going on for their children. This gets used actually pretty heavily. In fact, I've actually parked in this area in the past and walked down the sidewalk over to the school. Now, a lot of this area is going to get cleaned up at the new middle school. They'll be curving gutter all the way along the property for the frontage of the middle school and a lot of it will be a right turn lane. So, a lot of this parking actually will just be gone period. They are expanding quite substantially the parking lot for the school. They've already doubled the size of it. I think if I remember correctly, there's at least one more section that's at least as big as what they added, if not even bigger. So, they are putting a lot more parking in actual parking lot at the new school. Yeah. Yeah. So that that's one that is one. In fact, that's probably So wait, a quick question. But you said there will be an extra parking lot. Um existing. Yeah. Yeah, they did. I think they had somebody reach out and they were concerned for elementary or some of the kindergarten kids. you have to walk up to the school, but then there to pick up a child, but there's not a great place for people to park, get up in cars to walk up to the doors, which I guess is more of an issue that dedicated school. I had I haven't heard that. I'm not really sure. I could maybe look into that issue a little bit. I'm not certain, but I believe the reason they tore up the existing parking lot is because it's getting a lot bigger. I mean, I think they're they're expanding that quite substantially. In theory, there should Yes. Yeah, that my memory probably should have checked that before this meeting, but off of memory, I think that parking lot tripled or quadrupled. Yeah. I mean, well, yeah. So, I mean, there's there's substantially more parking proposed. There's also quite a bit more parallel parking on the new loop road because they they although we told them they didn't have to do 35 ft of asphalt, they said, "Well, we want that so that there's enough room for people to park there, right? I mean, we'll see how pickup and drop off actually functions if if they need if people are going to be queuing along there, but there's no there's no turn lane. There's no it it could be used as parking. Yeah. So the loop he's talking about is just the roadway that goes down to the roundabout now and turns around. That road would continue north and then curve and tie out to the stubborn bot. So it's not really sorry. Yeah. So, we're we're still getting ready for a public turn off at 3200 South and come down this road. Is that with the clicker? Maybe I don't know anyway dead end if you will. that road will continue north and you're going to see that pathway over time that little sub road and so that will be left 35 ft of there. So hopefully this area gets mopped up a little bit with the construction of the next school. That's the other side of the street. This is a new sidewalk we on the left side here that we just put in that connected sidewalk on the south side of the school or south side. We've had discussions on putting a c new moving the crosswalk at 8 west down to this location. We were almost going to pull the trigger on that, but with this community council and the principal, we decided to hold off and wait till we saw some of the effects of the new middle school before we made a major change. So, we are keeping that in our pocket for the hopefully pretty near future. You can see this area here has been used as parking. People pull off. It looks like maybe it's not wide enough. They might still hang into the asphalt here, but they're certainly they do want to get off. little bit of drainage problems with when you get that kind of thing. People uh puddles and things can form a lot easier. Just in that specific picture, that resident does not like people parking in front of its house because it ruins grass. Yeah, you got both sides of it for sure. And this is just west of the elementary school. So, people are using that to park there to pick up their kids. little further west. They've done some landscaping here. It did to I can't say for certain, but it did sort of look like they were using So, moving on to 8 West. 8 West is a little more challenging because the park is so narrow. Had some discussions. Uh well, there a second, but it's pretty narrow. It would be difficult to stay off the sidewalk here and out at least out of the asphalt. Now, this area right where I'm standing to take this picture in particular is quite heavily for the nativity. Now, we could just force everyone to park over in the parking lot and can walk down that sidewalk, but I don't think we've had much success with that. So, it's pretty narrow park strip. We've set this fence back with the idea of people being able to park here, but I'm not sure we set it back far enough. I have to go check it. I can't remember, but because I because when they do park there, it seems like I remember them hanging the sidewalk a little bit as well. Yeah. So, this one's a little interesting and I just took this picture because if you look at this area, my first thought was if we paint a yellow line down the middle of this. So, we paint a white fog line 11 ft wide. That should leave a bunch of asphalt here. What do we want to do with that asphalt? Do we want to make it a bike lane or we want to allow people to park there? Because now there's more room. They could be on the gravel and have the car to be on the asphalt travel lane. So, that's one of the things. And if you look at this picture, this is I'm standing in 2600 South looking north on 8 West. There is curb. It is narrower asphalt than this asphalt. This car here against the curb. Now, this car likely I mean he's given he's pretty giving himself pretty generous there pretty generous amount of room here. But it looks to me like they're open what would be a center line if you paint the center line. So questions here traffic the car park there. I think we did have a bike lane on the active transportation plan. to what it's meaning. Yeah. So, so we'll have to investigate that a little further. That one 2600 South is pretty similar to 32 just just far west houses. This is standing right on West looking east. This particular area is a problem and if you pass the budget as proposed could be cleaned up quite as heavily. There are signs here that say no pickup for students because people will park in this area and the large amount of students that come out of one time walking down the sidewalks are squished a little bit and so you you'll see some of them don't want to be in that little mass of kids so they'll be out here in the asphalt. There'll be people opening doors getting and out of cars. Kids on bikes don't want to walk or ride so slowly with the people walking so they'll be out in the asphalt. So, one of the ideas is that we thrown out the community council is widening this sidewalk to an 8 or 10 foot wide sidewalk from 2600 South or excuse me from 8th west to the school on 2600 South because it seems like once they get to 8 they kind of disperse and they go different directions. So, that potentially could lead to this becoming a developed park strip and therefore there will obviously not be parking in it. But whether or not there's sufficient room to put a curb and allow park on street parking is still a question. We haven't I haven't been able to really dive into that yet. But but we have some money pegged to put curb gutter and widen this sidewalk. And if we're going to I'll just make this pitch. I'm kind of the budget discussion now. But I mean if we're going to do it on this side, we might as well do it on this side. And really it's kind of between the tracks and west is what we look at. We have had some problems with drainage in this area because it is just gravel and it doesn't seem to perk very well once it gets parked on so often. We've gone down and and sucked holes and filled the holes back up with peg gravel to try to get the water to to dissipate what it seems to always kind of be a problem. If you do currently do you have enough storm water? That is also a great question. It has not so there is there's actually a pipe there. I know there's a crossing in the canal right up here but I don't know if there's anything that actually runs parallel to more. Yeah. So yeah, that's a great question. We got to figure out this actual drainage issue as well. And there's also a bike lane on the active transportation plan for 2600. So for what it's worth, that's not on there, but if you want to do it. So this would be this is just south side of third 2600 South Schools right just to the left of the picture. So this would be considered undeveloped and the language if they were off the sidewalk and off the asphalt I think there's room if someone can't it's hard to tell if they've been this is further east looking back west I'm standing right but u school looking west. Same area just looking on the other side, south side of 2600. This is further east. Now, this is the Elhorn subdivision area. So, they got I think you got less parking here because they're fenced back yards, but this kind of looks the same to me. It's a good hiding spot. I'd like to see Evan, are you going to give the sheriff a ticket, please? Y video, please. This This is further east. Now, looking west almost to the church on the east end. You can see these are I mean these are obviously gravel. It does appear obviously there's tracks here. People are are using this area to park. All right. So really, you know, if what are we trying to avoid? What are we what are we problems trying to solve here with this code? And and really, you know, this is none of these are in nibbly. I just kind of Google parking and park strip problems and issues. And this one's this one's actually parked in the wrong direction, but uh parking in the front yard. We have though none in my picture really talked about it, but it does seem to be one of bigger issues, but more on the side than this. I think we get some of this, but not a ton of this, right? What happened to uh it seems to be more in the spring than so this would be similar to kind of the issues that we're having here. It's like you know is that okay? It's up to you guys. The new code would probably still give this guy. It's not a Right. So, that's a bad picture, but I was trying to show the fun. I guess some of these can get pretty mucky, pretty messy. So, so that's in a developed park strip. Sure. Sure. That would be prohibited now and even with the code changes, right? For sure. And but but again I think I was mostly interested in sh some of these get mucky and that's why I think we have to gravel or Okay. Okay, so this is just a list of things that we've heard from people as we've gone around and tried to do our enforcement. A lot of people aren't really sure what the rightway is or where the rightway of mine is. They believe it's their property. Well, don't just plead ignorance to say I didn't know. Uh, another big one is, look, you've never I've parked there for 30 years now. You're telling me I can't and you're going to give me tickets and all sorts of. Another one is signage. People believe that if there's not a sign that doesn't say you can't park here, then it's okay to park there. So, we have had a lot of sidewalks blocked or at least encroached into both bike lanes and sidewalks. We again have had some complaints of cars that are bumped in. Even though it's the driveway, they do hang over the sidewalk and they're trying to be in the middle, right? They're hanging over both sides into the bike lane and sidewalk. Another big one is the student pickup and drop off. That seems to be always a problem. We did pass an ordinance and we did put up signs that I believe helped that as far as pickup kids, but there are still people that like get out, walk the school or walk back or even just wait again. Hopefully much of that get cleaned up. Trying to think the other time there's a parking issue with the school they'll park on the south side of the So, no drop off pickup signs there as well, I believe. But, but the schools seem to be a issue. They're just trying they're just there to support their kids and why would we be in mean to them because they need to be there to support their kids. Talk about 26 South sidewalk and safety issues there with all the kids coming out at once. And another one we heard coming kind of late fall was as we started was well you're telling me I need a driveway to park on the side of my house but it's winter time and I can't pour concrete right now. What do you want me to do? Sort it was a timing issue with that one. Anything else? Uh the new one I heard today was come up to the mic. You can just stay up just because we're a very popular YouTube channel to hear everything. The new complaint I received today was the blood being drawn out of the parts strip onto the road and I just washed my car is what I was told. So they're washing their car in the park strip? No, she washed her car and then had to drive through that was cracked. Okay. So that there is a lot of mud in the park. Yeah. Well, again, yeah, when it's not driveway, it tends to get mucky. We have storm water ordinances that we try to enforce with that, but it's difficult. Okay. So, are we ready to go to the public hearing? I mean, move on to that. We'll come we'll turn this right back to the council. But first, this is a chance for the public to weigh in on the information you just heard. Do we have do we have a maybe from this packet for all that we've talked about the actual words that are being proposed the or that's about parking and undeveloped park strips and front yard parking bike lanes there's no change it's just okay to match Yeah. Yeah. I added just a line that said, "Okay, so uh this is a chance for public to weigh in on that idea, that proposal, uh before we turn it over to the council. It's entirely likely. I don't do perhaps not adopt this. It's all brand new to you and there may be another reading on this. Um, and we don't have to go through the exact changes that been that have been available in the public information packet, but right now I'm going to open the public hearing and welcome the public to speak on this matter. And we have a property rights guy here, so I'm calling you out. This is a great All right. So, to me, I'm going to be quiet here real soon. This is a great chance to try to define that line between what's a community right and what's an individual property right. And I don't want to call you a bad guy as being a property rights guy. Tell us your official title and reason for being here if you would if you association of reals. And so I am part of uh our government affairs task force and one of our goals is to attend city council meetings, attend meetings in the state and uh offer our services if we can help with nature property rights related. And so on parking uh agreed it's a very uh you've got a balancing act with when a and I was here several months ago when I saw uh several citizens not exactly thrilled with their snow tickets and it is a balancing act and what uh we certainly uh as far as the association is concerned want to make sure that our uh property owners have that right to utilize their property to the best that they can but within reason of safety. And looking at uh what is being proposed tonight, I definitely understand the necessity to not have a car in a bylane and to have free flow of traffic and free flow for the sidewalks. uh we would love to see I I think in fact with what I see right now it's uh quite a good compromise. You're looking at uh being able to provide something for the uh for the property owners that uh they will be able to utilize some additional parking but you're also being very aware of maintaining a safety standard. And uh I think that this my own opinion I think this probably would please both sides. Okay. Thank you. And Cheryl, did you get name and we usually get an address too? Okay. Throw my parents address on that one. Circle. All right. We welcome you to Nibi. Any other comments from the public? Claire, you want to weigh in? Yeah. Great. Here's uh Claire Shank, planning commissioner uh from NibLy. So, please 32 me and 800 have animals that are being there access to the gates. So I'm assuming the proposal is if I'm not on the bike and I'm not on the site I'm in the ship I'm okay it's undeveloped. That's the proposal. No fat advice for the enforcement to pull in to get paid and safely and 3200 South is busy busy and so luckily people have been patient when I pack in I don't get a straight angle in the gate but it's been pretty good. So, so I I'm weighing in on that, too. If you put a sidewalk down 800 West, it limitates my So, there's no way I can park at 800 Westwalk and it's so narrow. Just just Okay, thank you. I guess I could go down marbles and pass county school district property and point on time. So yeah, I for now but just just consider that because I've been doing that for 30 years for long. So you're parking in an undeveloped park strip. You're admitting that in a in in a public forum. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Just wanted to assume it was legal. You assume exactly the safety guard is parking there too. So I make sure we avoid her. So she's parking where I usually parking across the street there. 32. Okay. Any other public comments before we turn it to the council? Evan, you you can you you don't have to speak in public. We'll welcome you to our conversation later on. If you have anything you want to say now, that's fine. And we'll invite you to be part of the council discussion, too. Okay. Okay. Uh seeing no public comment, we'll close the public hearing. Um thank you for speaking. Thank for contributing to this discussion. And with that, we'll turn the proposed ordinance over to the council to discuss. Motion to approve ordinance 2519 for first reading. I have a motion and a second from K to approve uh this ordinance draft for first reading. I I appreciate the effort again and I think uh this year like you're saying umpires our rules such that closer appreciate the compromise. I know for myself we have a lot of parking but when all my kids come home I don't but when they lived at home just barely ahead of myself I know um the city with their families growing sometimes they will have to put in permanent parking. So even this is a good compromise but again this doesn't apply in the winter time. In the winter time they cannot park there anyway. So if they do need best thank you had quite a conversation actually in particular who had been affected by quite dramatically over the years that they've lived here and I know people appreciate should this Nice. They do have space to park in the park strip without having vehicles in the asphalt in the bike lane and inside the sidewalk and they appreciate having that space available while they extended driving. Uh, one of the things that Evan brought up, which I think is from a resident, which is impactful to me, is what if somebody wanted to beautify their undeveloped park strip. Um, and then we're saying, okay, fine. You can now park your car in grass or maybe it's a garden or maybe it's it doesn't have a curb so it's under park strip but it's actually been beautified right so I thought about trying to put some of that into the ordinance and then again discussion with Justin is well you know what the city has the right to prohibit parking on any property that is owned by the city and the park strip is owned by the city of Nimi undeveloped or not developed. it's own it's in our right of way. So in that case if even without putting it in the ordinance uh let people know if you if you have a reason that perhaps it's beautifification perhaps it's whatever whatever that you prefer to not have people parked in the park strip adjacent to your house. It's not your property but you're expected to maintain it. If someone goes the extra mile actually not only maintains it but beautifies it. Well, then that's where I think the city should consider entertain the the the notion at the adjacent land owner's request of not allowing parking in an undeveloped park strip. Does that make sense? And then you would do that no parking sign. Correct. It would be signed. Yeah. Right. Because people need to know, right? Is this a is this a protected undeveloped park strip or a unprotected undeveloped park strip? That make any sense? But in doing so, would it have to be beautified just because they have a preference they don't want to park? Would you I would I would interfuse some common sense and say, you know, if we need someone on the city council, that's fine. They say, "I don't want someone parking in the undeveloped park in front of my house for this reason." Yeah. And if there was justification, I can't quantify what all the reasons might be. Munification be one. Maybe there's mud tracking, you know. Um I'm not I'm not so much in favor in a developed park strip that people say, "Well, I just don't like people parking in front of my house." It's like, "Well, too bad." It's It's the road that's part of scary, but I don't know how to codify that. I think that should be codified in an ordinance when we get to second reading. I don't know. I think but we have the right to I would say if I see a spot for some there's flowers, there's plants. They've made it look really pretty. I'm Yeah, but you're a nice person. Big trees help if they're in the way. Trees help if they're in the way. Nathan, why do strips exist? That is a great question, Evan. Please. There you go. I left it up. Um, park strips exist for three reasons. One is the safety barrier between the road and sidewalk. the vehicle traffic and pedestrian traffic. Correct. Yep. Okay. Um two cities utilize park strips to put their utilities underneath so they're not interrupting the road or the sidewalk. They need to be dug up. And then three is beautifification. Would you consider adding a place to pile snow or do we just put that on the sidewalk? Um if you put it on the sidewalk here, yes. No, I mean the city city plowing snow off of our asphalt. Yes. The park strip provides a place. Yeah. For us to put snow that comes up. Yeah. Okay. There there are on heavy snow years that um spoken the public works about when they cover up the sidewalk. Nothing we can do if you've got that much snow. So, okay. So, I I agree those are the reasons park strips make sense. Um, we also have utility rightways. They're on the other side of the sidewalk. So, I I this brings up a lot of things that I've been considering, right? And I mean, even parking in front yards, I think we have design standards and we have setbacks and things like that that sometimes just go, why do we have these? You don't want people parking in front yards, maybe eliminate front yards. There's nothing wrong with a zero park strip and a zero setback in certain parts of cities. Good examples like Third South and stuff that they're putting in has to have zero. It's sidewalk to road to like a great example and it makes sense there, right? Does it make sense on 3200 South? Um, there are, as I look at the roads that were examples today, I try to think of others throughout the city and all road jumps to mind. There are sometimes there sidewalks on there are sidewalks. There's cottonwoods that bridge to get to it. The bridge to get still a park strip, by the way, whether there's a sidewalk there or not. It's considered in our ordinance a park strip from the road. If it's in the rideway, that's a lot of our roads not even apply to rideway. If it's if it's a rideway, if it's not, then yeah, if it's private property, then a lot of property lines still go to the center of the asphalt. That's a goofy one. Yeah, I left that one off on purpose. I understand. Yeah, I'm just running through like there are some rules problematic that be and I think uh like when I look at 3600 I've grown up always being able to park on 3100 and 2600 but apparently we weren't able to right and like there are city functions that we could not have done had we not done that and I just don't like the road sizes come into factor here and I think that's maybe something to consider before is where are we comfortable as a city having park on the and where are we not and I think we have that written to a degree but I think factors in this and that's something we need to think about second is these things based on room sizes and not necessarily just are they developed but is there room yeah as Justin suggested I'd like to go out there and measure some asphalt that's on west and say what does this mean Yeah, you know, is there is there room for a traffic lane? Not where the medians are, but is there room for a traffic lane? Parking on an undeveloped park strip would not be in the traffic lane. They have to paint some fog lines, let people know where the boundaries are, not on the sidewalk. So, and I s we are designating bike lanes for not parking there. Yeah, I think a little further north right next to park we have the center medians and I don't make it worse. You cannot just we don't want parking on a street like a west. Just put a center median down the whole street. You're not going to get anyone parking on the sides. Well, I mean, we could just not change the ordinance and we could just write tickets. No, there is no parking in that undeveloped park along 8 West between the asphalt and sidewalk. Right. I I will say, Larry, that yes, that is an option. Um, I will say the more people I've spoken to about parking, the general consensus was, "Oh, I didn't know." And they don't do it again. Some of them are upset at first because they've been doing it for 30 years. But if you drive down, he still drive down 3200 now, you will notice the difference. Change takes time. And so are we writing now in for parking in an unveloped park strip? We are. Yes. Out over 100 WS per since we developed it a month ago. Leo two month. Don't Don't fall when when we switch we switch to warnings. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a few months, but yeah. And that there are people that have gone to significant expense to become compliant with our parent code. Do we want parking on 32? This is just an example process here. She has so many works.

I think you're there. Yeah. So, all those things are possibilities. Uh certainly think it might help down at public works is even just covered storage. Maybe not enclosed, but just a like a cover like a carport to park underneath. They are going to pull the trigger on. We have, again, I don't we're we should be in the shipping container business, but we've got two shipping containers that we're Rob was able to find some I think it used trusses and we're going to put these trusses across two shipping containers so that we have some of that to pull underneath and park. So, we're keeping that down there behind the facilities. So, hopefully not too many people see it. Let's put it out here. might be a little red Becky. So we are we are thinking of those kinds of options but really I think if you found a solution for wreck depending on where landed city hall would get by for a little while longer because that would open up this backside people working but yeah hopefully you solve both. I mean if we're going to do something with a recreation center hope that we would solve both problems. several years api number of years right so in the short term in the next 12 months we need something possible I don't think we need places for bodies to work right now so I don't think a portable would be the option I think maybe more shipping container there. I mean, I I personally think that we could utilize if if we're looking at a one, two-year time frame, just go rent storage shed. Got them all over the place. They're not ideal. They're not close. They're not fast. Yeah. Yeah. Good point. You could have had those on 700. Actually, one was approved. Approved val. Yeah. They never built it. They sold the property and the guy put a house on it. Oh yeah, that was south of town. Y that was in the county. So any facility as a special service district would not be a nibly active. think of I'm sorry you're not Chad using it as part of Nibbly offices. It would be an asset owned by the by by the by the district whether it's unincorporated or municipalities that are involved. And there's probably a whole bunch more staff to go along with that that would be housed in that indoor rec center. Unless they leased it out or something. Well, yeah. Were you able to look into real estate and how much that might sell for? I did, right? Well, yes, please. Look at stealing appraisal at best house next. Yeah, not quite ready to pull the trigger on that. We could we could put it in the budget as potential, but I've got other ideas I want to investigate before we pull the trigger on that. that sell. We have two. Yeah. Yeah, that uh at first she was she was kind of opposed to it until we were ready to do something else. But after she looked at the finance, I mean, it's covering itself. It's paid for. That one's in pretty good shape. It's not really hurting us. We're not expecting a lot of maintenance issues or problems with it. So So I I'm with you on that. I think that's the right thing to do there. and not quite ready to pull that trigger. Sort of subject property on the road. tax,000. We're talking about little Christian legend Believe it was just the USU sold it to us for a buffer for the coyote farm. They just didn't want residents being close to the coyote farm, which we all live next to still got a really good deal on Ted 10 grand. Got nothing for you. I think a shipping container right now is like six grand yet. Yeah.

toation here. Okay. All right. So, this is something the planning commission discussed at length for several meetings. I want to say six or seven meetings probably uh that that this this was discussed. And it did, you know, as as often does when we start working on um amendments to our ordinance. It kind of blossomed didn't it doesn't just we it kind of started as the RM zone, but it it touched RPUD and some other uh areas as well, but just in general, just to summarize what what the uh the general purpose of these amendments are. So direct the RM zone and appropriately planned areas consistent with the general plan. It's been a little bit un well it's a little bit unclear where we had this RM zone where where do we think it it should go and you know there there's a consensus and and it's incorporated into the draft that that our general plan should guide as it does with all um it should with all all zoning decisions where where uh where this where the zone should is appropriate. uh disperse rather than concentrate higher density residential development. There's some provisions. I'll I'll discuss how how it aims to do that. Courage encourage the use of the RPUD where appropriate. So with with some changes we made recently with the TDR ordinance and and some other um just some other amendments that we've made to the code. There's I think maybe an unintended consequence that RPUD is is less attractive and and developers would rather hit the RM zone and I don't think that was really the intention of what we've done. It's it's just kind of an outgrowth. So we we're trying to address that with some of these changes to point more toward the RPU and I'll I'll explain that. Um requires some level of commercial mixed use in appropriate areas. We understand you can't force commercial everywhere, but uh we feel like the RM zone should can be a zone that that has some mixed use um incorporated at least some level of mixed use. And there's some in some incentives built in to to these uh and requirements into in certain areas with these uh what what's in front of you tonight. Um there's a few changes that affect the design of new housing. Uh I'll get into primarily kind of town homes and rear loaded, front loaded. Um and then uh a a big one here is allowing for a fee in lie of open space. Uh so this isn't something we've really had in the past. So both of open space and and in the amenities that required and and really this could apply to uh other areas where we require open space RM zone RPD or open space subdivision. So that all that's incorporated here. I'll explain in more detail specifically what is is in here. So, uh, just to summarize the the draft ordinance amendments, uh, what's recommended is for the RM zone to establish a minimum zone size of 10 acres and a maximum zone size of 40 acres. So the idea here it's it's kind of a balance that the planning commission discussed that if it's too small well then then it's more difficult to manage from kind of a property management standpoint if it's if it's just uh you don't have the critical mass for like an HOA to to maintain it. So that the 10 acres that's the minimum but then the maximum 40 acres is kind of a couple reasons for that is one not to concentrate the higher density in in one location. Uh but also um point back to the RPUD for more kind of mixed housing developments for those that are that are kind of on the larger end.