Recreation Service District Informational Workshop - Possible South Cache Valley Facility
2026-04-10
It was about four years ago when I came to the parks and rec page in Nablus City to sort of a unique to Canada thing, and they said, will you build us an indoor rec center? I said, what's an indoor rec center? Because it's not something that I certainly didn't have on my my radar at the time. But since then, we have heard from many residents in Italy that they're they're tired of driving through Logan, and it seems to be getting harder and harder to drive through Logan to get to soccer practice at Corian Memorial or even worse during the day. So as a as a response to the the desire for indoor rec space, New York City Council took on the task of doing a feasibility study to find out at what scale we might do in indoor rec center, what amenities might be included, most importantly, how we would go about paying for it. And in the process, then we soon realized, of course, we knew before we started that if it's Niddly City by themselves, then there'd be a certain scale and a certain number of amenities that we could offer. And if it was Niddly City in cooperation with other jurisdictions, especially jurisdictions south of the county, then
It was about four years ago when I came to the parks and rec page in Nablus City to sort of a unique to Canada thing, and they said, will you build us an indoor rec center? I said, what's an indoor rec center? Because it's not something that I certainly didn't have on my my radar at the time. But since then, we have heard from many residents in Italy that they're they're tired of driving through Logan, and it seems to be getting harder and harder to drive through Logan to get to soccer practice at Corian Memorial or even worse during the day. So as a as a response to the the desire for indoor rec space, New York City Council took on the task of doing a feasibility study to find out at what scale we might do in indoor rec center, what amenities might be included, most importantly, how we would go about paying for it. And in the process, then we soon realized, of course, we knew before we started that if it's Niddly City by themselves, then there'd be a certain scale and a certain number of amenities that we could offer. And if it was Niddly City in cooperation with other jurisdictions, especially jurisdictions south of the county, then
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We get on here. I'm not gonna spend a lot of time talking here if you're promising. So what what kind of what kind of coalition might we put together in order to do something more? Yeah. Let's keep going. I wanna I wanna get to and so we we have with with the pressing of the legislative bodies in the cities above, we have surveyed their residents into self selected survey and found enough interest in and, actually, I've had enough questions about if we do this thing, how how what's the process? You know, what's the legal process of how do we go about that? And so that's really the goal tonight. It's not to decide, are we going to do a special service district? It's not to commit anyone. It's not to sell anyone. We really need to do this thing or don't need to do this thing. It's a what if kind of scenario we decided in the South Part Of Valley to do a special service district or indoor rec. What are the legal legislative and direct direct democratic processes that would establish this thing? Because it's all about the details. Alright? So we have Eric Johnson with with us. Thank you very much. You can come on up, Eric. And Eric is a attorney with Yellow Horse and Thompson. See, I'm already didn't give you top billing, but and they they work for Midland City. We're very happy to have their services. And so Eric will talk about some of those details about how this thing could come to be. The city's on the bottom half, by the way, full disclosure, you all know this. The cities on the bottom half are also being surveyed in addition to the cities on the top by the Cache County Council's decision to also do a feasibility study from a county wide perspective. So the city council has decided and that that we would freely share any data that we have, any information that we have from our own surveys
We get on here. I'm not gonna spend a lot of time talking here if you're promising. So what what kind of what kind of coalition might we put together in order to do something more? Yeah. Let's keep going. I wanna I wanna get to and so we we have with with the pressing of the legislative bodies in the cities above, we have surveyed their residents into self selected survey and found enough interest in and, actually, I've had enough questions about if we do this thing, how how what's the process? You know, what's the legal process of how do we go about that? And so that's really the goal tonight. It's not to decide, are we going to do a special service district? It's not to commit anyone. It's not to sell anyone. We really need to do this thing or don't need to do this thing. It's a what if kind of scenario we decided in the South Part Of Valley to do a special service district or indoor rec. What are the legal legislative and direct direct democratic processes that would establish this thing? Because it's all about the details. Alright? So we have Eric Johnson with with us. Thank you very much. You can come on up, Eric. And Eric is a attorney with Yellow Horse and Thompson. See, I'm already didn't give you top billing, but and they they work for Midland City. We're very happy to have their services. And so Eric will talk about some of those details about how this thing could come to be. The city's on the bottom half, by the way, full disclosure, you all know this. The cities on the bottom half are also being surveyed in addition to the cities on the top by the Cache County Council's decision to also do a feasibility study from a county wide perspective. So the city council has decided and that that we would freely share any data that we have, any information that we have from our own surveys
And, again, that's just a bigger scale that I have a lot of questions of. The reason I'm standing up here is because we will have a forum of the Nibley City Council within minutes. So I won't call the meeting to order of the Nibley City Council until Eric Manor, a a third council member gets here. But we also have a quorum, I believe, of the Nibley City Arts and Right Committee. So will you please handle probably me to work, tell us who's here just for the minutes because so this is an open and public meetings kind of thing.
And, again, that's just a bigger scale that I have a lot of questions of. The reason I'm standing up here is because we will have a forum of the Nibley City Council within minutes. So I won't call the meeting to order of the Nibley City Council until Eric Manor, a a third council member gets here. But we also have a quorum, I believe, of the Nibley City Arts and Right Committee. So will you please handle probably me to work, tell us who's here just for the minutes because so this is an open and public meetings kind of thing.
This is Kendall Welbilt. Kendall Welbilt. You're just being rude. Sorry.
This is Kendall Welbilt. Kendall Welbilt. You're just being rude. Sorry.
I call to order tonight. Say everyone or just who's here? Just her.
I call to order tonight. Say everyone or just who's here? Just her.
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There. Okay. So John Dean is right there. Katie. Go play myself. We have
Hey, And Maddie. So there's five of our nine.
Hey, And Maddie. So there's five of our nine.
So I'm good? Okay. You're in order. And it was like there's nothing worse than standing up in front of a group of people and trying to remember the names of your own kids. So with that, Eric, I'm gonna turn it over to you, and I will interrupt you if you will allow me when our quorum and status for the city council. Are there any other towns in need to call a public meeting or okay. And so we yeah. Okay. Then we're on the same boat. Scott, if you'll just, you know, ask for the mic, and I'll give you we'll give you a chance to do that. Eric, are there any other things that we can do then to get you started? You'll tell us about yourself and Yeah. The instructions
So I'm good? Okay. You're in order. And it was like there's nothing worse than standing up in front of a group of people and trying to remember the names of your own kids. So with that, Eric, I'm gonna turn it over to you, and I will interrupt you if you will allow me when our quorum and status for the city council. Are there any other towns in need to call a public meeting or okay. And so we yeah. Okay. Then we're on the same boat. Scott, if you'll just, you know, ask for the mic, and I'll give you we'll give you a chance to do that. Eric, are there any other things that we can do then to get you started? You'll tell us about yourself and Yeah. The instructions
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Thanks. Just a little bit about the so until the church retired, I was or until the church left. Of course, I don't know. And and with COVID, and if I turn 70, we should be able to retire. So I didn't get a say. That's all that's all I can say. So my undergrad degree was from UIU in physical planning administration. I used to do useful things. I used to work in hospitals keeping all of the facilities together. I followed the footsteps of my father. And I picked up an MBA while I was doing that, and then I sat for law school. And I, you know, I still I still remember when I told my dad I was gonna go to law school. I was disappointed. I was leaving, you know, his his field. And he said he said, you know, he said, I guess it's okay. He said, I heard that there's really only two attorney jokes after all. I said, yeah. He said, yeah. The restaurant. So that was kind of a a a of my introduction to law. I was well, when I when I got to law school at But when I when I got to law school at BYU, one of one of the other students, he he told me, he said you know, he said his name is Greg, and he says kind of in the evening, there's the two of us, and he said, you know, so nice to get, you know, not just and things like that. It's really nice not to point you out. And remember when I went and I I opened my grade report, and I opened it up, and it was it was three days. So that's just a little bit about myself. Let me tell you about some of the projects that, like, this are projects that try to bring multiple communities together in order to do something bigger and larger than otherwise could be done. I'm working with Price City, Carbon County, Carbon Water Conservancy District, Price Water Water Improvement District, Price Water Irrigation Company, and others on a a reservoir right now. It's projected to be about $250,000,000. They want to go to the reservoir there to help their water sources. It's important to have full council support in doing something like this, and I'll tell you why. Because if you create a district like this with the idea of, hey. That district will be its own revenue generator. It will impose its own tax, and so it's not continuing to buy off of the underlying communities. Okay? Twenty five years of of doing elections. If you don't have full support, those elections fail, you can you can. And so if there's, then the the Huddl picks up on that. And it's always difficult to get any tax measure through. The average Joe is like me. And if I see something that says, hey. You wanna increase your taxes? The answer is not. K? And so it has to be a project that has a lot of attraction and also a lot of support. There there's there's really two types of issues It's it is I don't know why the legislature did this. At one point, they called them local districts and special service districts. Now they call them special service districts and special districts just so you couldn't confuse them. Okay? But but there's there's two different processes. There's a lot of similarities between them, but there are some important differences between them as well. But But for both, you know, every city that would be within would, have to adopt resolution saying, we wanna we wanna create this district or we will be part of it. K? Also, it doesn't matter which the two district formats you use. There has to be a public hearing to inform the public and their support for the recreation district. Also, for that district to have a tax base, there must be an election. It's just no way to do that without the public saying yes. We need to be positioning the tax on this. We want this. Okay? And does it doesn't matter which the two districts you use. You have to have that. And I would imagine that that district, however, ends up whichever type of district it is, I look at in order to move forward with the industry. Steps to create your recreation issue.
Thanks. Just a little bit about the so until the church retired, I was or until the church left. Of course, I don't know. And and with COVID, and if I turn 70, we should be able to retire. So I didn't get a say. That's all that's all I can say. So my undergrad degree was from UIU in physical planning administration. I used to do useful things. I used to work in hospitals keeping all of the facilities together. I followed the footsteps of my father. And I picked up an MBA while I was doing that, and then I sat for law school. And I, you know, I still I still remember when I told my dad I was gonna go to law school. I was disappointed. I was leaving, you know, his his field. And he said he said, you know, he said, I guess it's okay. He said, I heard that there's really only two attorney jokes after all. I said, yeah. He said, yeah. The restaurant. So that was kind of a a a of my introduction to law. I was well, when I when I got to law school at But when I when I got to law school at BYU, one of one of the other students, he he told me, he said you know, he said his name is Greg, and he says kind of in the evening, there's the two of us, and he said, you know, so nice to get, you know, not just and things like that. It's really nice not to point you out. And remember when I went and I I opened my grade report, and I opened it up, and it was it was three days. So that's just a little bit about myself. Let me tell you about some of the projects that, like, this are projects that try to bring multiple communities together in order to do something bigger and larger than otherwise could be done. I'm working with Price City, Carbon County, Carbon Water Conservancy District, Price Water Water Improvement District, Price Water Irrigation Company, and others on a a reservoir right now. It's projected to be about $250,000,000. They want to go to the reservoir there to help their water sources. It's important to have full council support in doing something like this, and I'll tell you why. Because if you create a district like this with the idea of, hey. That district will be its own revenue generator. It will impose its own tax, and so it's not continuing to buy off of the underlying communities. Okay? Twenty five years of of doing elections. If you don't have full support, those elections fail, you can you can. And so if there's, then the the Huddl picks up on that. And it's always difficult to get any tax measure through. The average Joe is like me. And if I see something that says, hey. You wanna increase your taxes? The answer is not. K? And so it has to be a project that has a lot of attraction and also a lot of support. There there's there's really two types of issues It's it is I don't know why the legislature did this. At one point, they called them local districts and special service districts. Now they call them special service districts and special districts just so you couldn't confuse them. Okay? But but there's there's two different processes. There's a lot of similarities between them, but there are some important differences between them as well. But But for both, you know, every city that would be within would, have to adopt resolution saying, we wanna we wanna create this district or we will be part of it. K? Also, it doesn't matter which the two district formats you use. There has to be a public hearing to inform the public and their support for the recreation district. Also, for that district to have a tax base, there must be an election. It's just no way to do that without the public saying yes. We need to be positioning the tax on this. We want this. Okay? And does it doesn't matter which the two districts you use. You have to have that. And I would imagine that that district, however, ends up whichever type of district it is, I look at in order to move forward with the industry. Steps to create your recreation issue.
Yes. So we're recording this, and that's the need to formality of microphones. Yes. I'm sorry. Brian. Yeah. Go ahead. Eric, if you're okay with Yeah. The mic. That's very good. Thanks.
Yes. So we're recording this, and that's the need to formality of microphones. Yes. I'm sorry. Brian. Yeah. Go ahead. Eric, if you're okay with Yeah. The mic. That's very good. Thanks.
If this is created so Brian is from the province. If this is created by a resolution or or an ordinance, what happens if if you go through this process and the and the election is a decline? So now you have an entity possibly created with no tax ability to that. Norify the the entity, the district, or is the district created or is the district not created until the eleventh two first?
If this is created so Brian is from the province. If this is created by a resolution or or an ordinance, what happens if if you go through this process and the and the election is a decline? So now you have an entity possibly created with no tax ability to that. Norify the the entity, the district, or is the district created or is the district not created until the eleventh two first?
For special districts, there would be an election to create the district. Right. And then if you to get a tax, that was created. You then have to have a second election to to have the people approve the tax. Okay? For special service history, you can create a district with an election. Then to oppose the tax, you must hold that much. Okay? And so that's that's one of the key differences between the two is when you have to have a budget to create a new deal. And the question was, if the people decline a revenue source for the district, we can just
For special districts, there would be an election to create the district. Right. And then if you to get a tax, that was created. You then have to have a second election to to have the people approve the tax. Okay? For special service history, you can create a district with an election. Then to oppose the tax, you must hold that much. Okay? And so that's that's one of the key differences between the two is when you have to have a budget to create a new deal. And the question was, if the people decline a revenue source for the district, we can just
But the district is sorry. Paul, question that. The district is created with the with the council, and and those steps create the district, and then the district wants to be able to tax or not. So the district's created Yes. Right. But this council's district created not letting money. That's right.
But the district is sorry. Paul, question that. The district is created with the with the council, and and those steps create the district, and then the district wants to be able to tax or not. So the district's created Yes. Right. But this council's district created not letting money. That's right.
The election, is it just a simple majority that makes it pass makes it a tax Yes. And that's overall. Let's say there's five cities. Overall, it's but, significantly, everybody hates it. I know that's not the case, but everybody hates it. Nobody goes for it. All the other city could do, so majority goes into place. It would it would go into effect because
The election, is it just a simple majority that makes it pass makes it a tax Yes. And that's overall. Let's say there's five cities. Overall, it's but, significantly, everybody hates it. I know that's not the case, but everybody hates it. Nobody goes for it. All the other city could do, so majority goes into place. It would it would go into effect because
it's more than 50%. Yes. Okay. Yes. And that's that's why the district is created so that it isn't City by city. City by city.
it's more than 50%. Yes. Okay. Yes. And that's that's why the district is created so that it isn't City by city. City by city.
Was my question. Was it your city overwhelmingly voted no, then but if the majority voted for it, then you would still be, as a city, still in it? Yes. Mhmm.
Was my question. Was it your city overwhelmingly voted no, then but if the majority voted for it, then you would still be, as a city, still in it? Yes. Mhmm.
Now if it is it is possible for areas within addition to move them off, just because once you're in, even if it didn't start and they'd never be out, no. That area could lose the law.
Now if it is it is possible for areas within addition to move them off, just because once you're in, even if it didn't start and they'd never be out, no. That area could lose the law.
So in other words, every city in the district needs full council support. You get one city that does not have full council support.
So in other words, every city in the district needs full council support. You get one city that does not have full council support.
With the railroad project, they initially thought about including San Juan County I'm sorry. Grand County as part of that. Grand County initially said we want in. That's a case by case basis. Great. Okay. Let's move forward. So, yeah, the whole public hearing from the public. You you inform the public how to protest the creation of the district. Okay? There's for one of the cities to create a district in in pushing that process. Yeah. So now how much you wanna do it the You need to indicate that one of the cities that, you know, that that, hey. We're not we're not planning on doing this without the key. Ourselves provide
With the railroad project, they initially thought about including San Juan County I'm sorry. Grand County as part of that. Grand County initially said we want in. That's a case by case basis. Great. Okay. Let's move forward. So, yeah, the whole public hearing from the public. You you inform the public how to protest the creation of the district. Okay? There's for one of the cities to create a district in in pushing that process. Yeah. So now how much you wanna do it the You need to indicate that one of the cities that, you know, that that, hey. We're not we're not planning on doing this without the key. Ourselves provide
this service. That's what we want for this.
this service. That's what we want for this.
Now if if the district all falls apart, that'd be changed. But in the district creation process, that would be the steps. So for a special district, there must be an election simply to approve the creation of the district. It's a two election process for a special service district. Sounds like it's the same thing, but it isn't. But it is. And I mean, they will have the same powers to do essentially the same things, but they have slightly different steps in creation. For special service district, you can create that simply by city resolution, and it can be created now. The public has a chance to protest. They will provide the city council if they want to, but you don't have to have an election just to create the district. Okay? Once the district is created with the inner funding source, it must call an election to impose taxes for operations and for capital construction expenses. K? And that's that's where the rubber gets to go. Right? That's where we really know if people want it. Questions? Concerns?
Now if if the district all falls apart, that'd be changed. But in the district creation process, that would be the steps. So for a special district, there must be an election simply to approve the creation of the district. It's a two election process for a special service district. Sounds like it's the same thing, but it isn't. But it is. And I mean, they will have the same powers to do essentially the same things, but they have slightly different steps in creation. For special service district, you can create that simply by city resolution, and it can be created now. The public has a chance to protest. They will provide the city council if they want to, but you don't have to have an election just to create the district. Okay? Once the district is created with the inner funding source, it must call an election to impose taxes for operations and for capital construction expenses. K? And that's that's where the rubber gets to go. Right? That's where we really know if people want it. Questions? Concerns?
Thank you, Eric. We we've talked about individual municipalities. Is there also a chance I don't know where this would go, but a chance to include unincorporated parts of Cache County? Yes.
Thank you, Eric. We we've talked about individual municipalities. Is there also a chance I don't know where this would go, but a chance to include unincorporated parts of Cache County? Yes.
Yes. Unincorporated county would be part of the issue that they choose. And it's the same process. The county counts the it's a council. Right? Yes. It's a council. Yeah. They would have to do the same thing as city council. Yeah. Mhmm. Even if it's not in the entire county. That's exactly right. Yeah. They can they can say just this area is going to be in. And, you know, you draw the circle around the area that's in and the park is in. Let's go to the next slide then. How is the recognition issue to be funded? Initially, obviously, in the creation process, the district isn't in existence and doesn't have any funding sources. The cities have to you know, there there's a a priming of the pump that has to occur where each city has to, you know, put in a new group. If it is a special district, there's two separate elections would be required to create recreation district and authorize taxes. If it's a special service district, only one election is required to authorize taxes. I assume the recreation district would also charge service plan for its recreation services. Cost to get in the pool. And, also, public private partnerships can be explored with the the private planning supplement and public funds. And let let me give you an example of what comes to your home for us here. So I live down in Utah County. My my son was he got him in gymnastics because he was incredibly active, so, anyway, one of my neighbors, they had an older son. He's 12 or 15. My son is about I can't remember six or seven. And, anyways, this 12 or 13 year old boy And, anyway, this this 12 or 13 year old boy was in gymnastics. And so my wife said, you know what? We should get our son in gymnastics because what he's this will explain the whole story. First of all, he's adopted. So all of this has nothing to do with my gene pool. Okay? And he's also half a ocean. And so he's he's never been on the growth chart, weight or height. He's always been very small. And but, anyway, we got a new gymnastics. He he he was state champion here in his age group, and then now he's gotten into boulder rock climbing type stuff. Right? And he's he's really big into that. And the other day, he called me up and said, say to dad, I think I have a day to go. I'm like, yeah. Sure. I'm like, yeah. Sure. And so I go down there, and I get in the gym, and I look around, and there's this bouldering gym. There's a CrossFit gym. There's another gym that I asked him. I said, well, that's that's kind of like America Ninja Warrior type of stuff there. And then there was a fourth gym all using the same parking lot. Basketball players. And my son was like, oh, yeah. They're just they're junior high and high school age kid basketball teams. They're just using that thing constantly. Okay? These are all 100% private. Okay? But they've made a little bit of a over campus there that they all they they kinda all share the same parking lot, and and it just at the time. And so when I when I talk about a public private partnership, a rec district could be the landlord for such a concept. Okay? They wouldn't necessarily run each of those different gyms, but they would be the landlord providing space, and then private businesses would come in and say, okay. I want this type of specialty gym here within this campus, and then you have the shared services in the. So when I say a public partnership, that's that's kind of the type of thing that comes to mind. So questions? Thoughts?
Yes. Unincorporated county would be part of the issue that they choose. And it's the same process. The county counts the it's a council. Right? Yes. It's a council. Yeah. They would have to do the same thing as city council. Yeah. Mhmm. Even if it's not in the entire county. That's exactly right. Yeah. They can they can say just this area is going to be in. And, you know, you draw the circle around the area that's in and the park is in. Let's go to the next slide then. How is the recognition issue to be funded? Initially, obviously, in the creation process, the district isn't in existence and doesn't have any funding sources. The cities have to you know, there there's a a priming of the pump that has to occur where each city has to, you know, put in a new group. If it is a special district, there's two separate elections would be required to create recreation district and authorize taxes. If it's a special service district, only one election is required to authorize taxes. I assume the recreation district would also charge service plan for its recreation services. Cost to get in the pool. And, also, public private partnerships can be explored with the the private planning supplement and public funds. And let let me give you an example of what comes to your home for us here. So I live down in Utah County. My my son was he got him in gymnastics because he was incredibly active, so, anyway, one of my neighbors, they had an older son. He's 12 or 15. My son is about I can't remember six or seven. And, anyways, this 12 or 13 year old boy And, anyway, this this 12 or 13 year old boy was in gymnastics. And so my wife said, you know what? We should get our son in gymnastics because what he's this will explain the whole story. First of all, he's adopted. So all of this has nothing to do with my gene pool. Okay? And he's also half a ocean. And so he's he's never been on the growth chart, weight or height. He's always been very small. And but, anyway, we got a new gymnastics. He he he was state champion here in his age group, and then now he's gotten into boulder rock climbing type stuff. Right? And he's he's really big into that. And the other day, he called me up and said, say to dad, I think I have a day to go. I'm like, yeah. Sure. I'm like, yeah. Sure. And so I go down there, and I get in the gym, and I look around, and there's this bouldering gym. There's a CrossFit gym. There's another gym that I asked him. I said, well, that's that's kind of like America Ninja Warrior type of stuff there. And then there was a fourth gym all using the same parking lot. Basketball players. And my son was like, oh, yeah. They're just they're junior high and high school age kid basketball teams. They're just using that thing constantly. Okay? These are all 100% private. Okay? But they've made a little bit of a over campus there that they all they they kinda all share the same parking lot, and and it just at the time. And so when I when I talk about a public private partnership, a rec district could be the landlord for such a concept. Okay? They wouldn't necessarily run each of those different gyms, but they would be the landlord providing space, and then private businesses would come in and say, okay. I want this type of specialty gym here within this campus, and then you have the shared services in the. So when I say a public partnership, that's that's kind of the type of thing that comes to mind. So questions? Thoughts?
Corey, hello, Sydney again. Alright. So, Eric, is the process the exact same if the county, if it wasn't a group of cities, but the whole county would say we're we're gonna do a special service district direct the recreation district. Is the same process done with all the city type and buy off on it, or can they just put it on the ballot? I mean, they did the the open space bond. I know that's a different thing, but that that did not go to the cities for approval. It just was on the ballot.
Corey, hello, Sydney again. Alright. So, Eric, is the process the exact same if the county, if it wasn't a group of cities, but the whole county would say we're we're gonna do a special service district direct the recreation district. Is the same process done with all the city type and buy off on it, or can they just put it on the ballot? I mean, they did the the open space bond. I know that's a different thing, but that that did not go to the cities for approval. It just was on the ballot.
If the cities if if if this incorporated areas are gonna be taxed, then with respect to city councils have to buy in. Alright. Thanks. Yeah. The the the county only has voice over the unincorporated areas.
If the cities if if if this incorporated areas are gonna be taxed, then with respect to city councils have to buy in. Alright. Thanks. Yeah. The the the county only has voice over the unincorporated areas.
Just to make sure, Corey, we're answering it. I'm I'm understanding the question. So forget about us forming a special district or a special service district. What if Cash County as a whole, as an entire political jurisdiction, decided they would take on something like this as an entire
Just to make sure, Corey, we're answering it. I'm I'm understanding the question. So forget about us forming a special district or a special service district. What if Cash County as a whole, as an entire political jurisdiction, decided they would take on something like this as an entire
is that the question there? If they're gonna use one of these two districts, then for each municipality, the city council would have to agree to the meeting.
is that the question there? If they're gonna use one of these two districts, then for each municipality, the city council would have to agree to the meeting.
I presume the county could do that in a tentatively, though. Right? Not special services or just accounting run facility, accounting program. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That
I presume the county could do that in a tentatively, though. Right? Not special services or just accounting run facility, accounting program. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That
that is an alternative. Correct. If the county was not creating a district, but just saying, we're gonna do this in the county's main director without creating initiatives. Yes. It could. And they could increase their taxes. And they could tax us. They could increase their taxes as they can at any time to increase their house. Without a vote? They have to do the taxation. They can do that. Alright.
that is an alternative. Correct. If the county was not creating a district, but just saying, we're gonna do this in the county's main director without creating initiatives. Yes. It could. And they could increase their taxes. And they could tax us. They could increase their taxes as they can at any time to increase their house. Without a vote? They have to do the taxation. They can do that. Alright.
So the county, if they said, we want the track center, the truth in taxation means they can increase our taxes without a vote. Is that correct?
So the county, if they said, we want the track center, the truth in taxation means they can increase our taxes without a vote. Is that correct?
That's that's that's how any that's how any city or any county increases taxes without a vote is to go through truth in
That's that's that's how any that's how any city or any county increases taxes without a vote is to go through truth in
And so they could do that for a recreation?
And so they could do that for a recreation?
They could increase taxes, and they could apply it to a recreation center. Yes. They could. Perfect. Sorry. Well, they have to do it in four counties. They could to create a history, they would have to give you the thumbs up. You're okay.
They could increase taxes, and they could apply it to a recreation center. Yes. They could. Perfect. Sorry. Well, they have to do it in four counties. They could to create a history, they would have to give you the thumbs up. You're okay.
Would it require an election to borrow money on the faith and credit of Cash Cow? That number is Yes. Yes.
Would it require an election to borrow money on the faith and credit of Cash Cow? That number is Yes. Yes.
So when you say faith and credit, that's a general obligation bond, which means there is an election.
So when you say faith and credit, that's a general obligation bond, which means there is an election.
Thanks for letting us just bob around. Those are great questions, great answers, Sam. Yeah.
Thanks for letting us just bob around. Those are great questions, great answers, Sam. Yeah.
Is that about the end? Do I have more?
Is that about the end? Do I have more?
Yeah. Let me see. Other slides I have. Any any Darby, Mendon. Just wondering, would it be the same amount per household across each each city that would be involved, or would it be a percentage per city?
Yeah. Let me see. Other slides I have. Any any Darby, Mendon. Just wondering, would it be the same amount per household across each each city that would be involved, or would it be a percentage per city?
If if the tax if the district was created and the tax was imposed, where the tax is imposed is on taxable value with property. Okay? So it is not per household. It's the the taxable value of each house.
If if the tax if the district was created and the tax was imposed, where the tax is imposed is on taxable value with property. Okay? So it is not per household. It's the the taxable value of each house.
So my house could be charged a different
So my house could be charged a different
No. Rate than the name of? No. No. No. Not a different rate. A different amount. A different rate equals uniform. Amount of tax varies depending on the tax.
No. Rate than the name of? No. No. No. Not a different rate. A different amount. A different rate equals uniform. Amount of tax varies depending on the tax.
Could you maybe just go over the pros and cons of the two different ways you've talked about?
Could you maybe just go over the pros and cons of the two different ways you've talked about?
Sure. So a special district, the one that has to have an election to be created. That, in my mind, I is primary comment of that with Goldman because elections take time and and, you know, you just you you're giving yourselves two hurdles instead of seven one. With the special service district, you don't have to go through the election process to get it created. But the the the law does not anticipate multiple cities creating a special service district. And so there's certain powers that cannot be delegated to the district that you have to go back to the city councils in order to get approval for. And that would be calling an election for anything to do with tax. Anything to do with tax, whatsoever. The two is the actual provision of the Utah code that says, hey. If you're a special service district and you want to, you can convert into a special district. Special district So you could create a special district without an election, and then after it's created, you can decide, hey. Let's convert it into a special district so we don't have to go back to the city councils and ask for the mayor anymore. And the the district is this morning. And so there's there's a a method to do that. And and and first of all, if you don't want another main artist, that would be the the course I would recommend. Start out creating a special service district that doesn't require an election. There are public hearings or the public if the public doesn't want it, they can say they they can file a protest. If there's not a protest, then we can't move forward. Okay? So they're still protected, but then you get created and then you can decide, okay. Do you wanna keep the modern AI approach or do you wanna and and convert it into a special district? So I don't see that. Yeah. Yeah. In at least city parks and rec. On on the conversion, I assume, although that's required by a colleague? No. No. Right? Yes.
Sure. So a special district, the one that has to have an election to be created. That, in my mind, I is primary comment of that with Goldman because elections take time and and, you know, you just you you're giving yourselves two hurdles instead of seven one. With the special service district, you don't have to go through the election process to get it created. But the the the law does not anticipate multiple cities creating a special service district. And so there's certain powers that cannot be delegated to the district that you have to go back to the city councils in order to get approval for. And that would be calling an election for anything to do with tax. Anything to do with tax, whatsoever. The two is the actual provision of the Utah code that says, hey. If you're a special service district and you want to, you can convert into a special district. Special district So you could create a special district without an election, and then after it's created, you can decide, hey. Let's convert it into a special district so we don't have to go back to the city councils and ask for the mayor anymore. And the the district is this morning. And so there's there's a a method to do that. And and and first of all, if you don't want another main artist, that would be the the course I would recommend. Start out creating a special service district that doesn't require an election. There are public hearings or the public if the public doesn't want it, they can say they they can file a protest. If there's not a protest, then we can't move forward. Okay? So they're still protected, but then you get created and then you can decide, okay. Do you wanna keep the modern AI approach or do you wanna and and convert it into a special district? So I don't see that. Yeah. Yeah. In at least city parks and rec. On on the conversion, I assume, although that's required by a colleague? No. No. Right? Yes.
That's right. That's a little surprising, isn't it? Wow.
That's right. That's a little surprising, isn't it? Wow.
Not the answer. I was expecting it. Okay. Well, that yeah. That's simple. And I guess a tangential but separate question. When we talk about protests from the public, what is that mechanism? Is that filing form or hopefully it's not picketing outside of all It's a written protest. You don't have to have a Mexican flag to do it. It's okay if you don't. No. It's it it it should if if you submit something in writing saying, hijack, I don't want it. And if there's enough of those, then it removes the discretion from the city council to move forward.
Not the answer. I was expecting it. Okay. Well, that yeah. That's simple. And I guess a tangential but separate question. When we talk about protests from the public, what is that mechanism? Is that filing form or hopefully it's not picketing outside of all It's a written protest. You don't have to have a Mexican flag to do it. It's okay if you don't. No. It's it it it should if if you submit something in writing saying, hijack, I don't want it. And if there's enough of those, then it removes the discretion from the city council to move forward.
Can can you speak to the governing body how those individuals are put in place or elected for both options, the special district and the special service district?
Can can you speak to the governing body how those individuals are put in place or elected for both options, the special district and the special service district?
You can choose. My recommendation would be with a with a multi entity district is that you have the underlying communities each have a representative in the community. And that you would have you would require the representative from each underlying team to use the right data official. And there's there's there's certainly reasons under IRS tax codes that you wanna do that. They if if your membership is made up by elected officials, you get better treatment in the case. And and so that that that that's what I would recommend. So each community gets one they appoint one another official to the member. And the alternate would be one. You you could have an election. So the instead of instead of the underlying city appointing one of the council members as mayor to work, you would create the district. You would divide the district into what what we talk about what we call districts. Okay? And and you would say, okay. So each district is to vote on their representative to the board, and so your board members could be directly elected to board instead of having elected officials instead of having elected officials appointed. There is a third option. It's not not what I recommend, and that is you set it up where just let's say each city can appoint, but it doesn't have to be an elected official. They can when when when the district board does not have elected officials on it, it's not in the same in in in different situations, it's just not being the same. It's not even the same powers.
You can choose. My recommendation would be with a with a multi entity district is that you have the underlying communities each have a representative in the community. And that you would have you would require the representative from each underlying team to use the right data official. And there's there's there's certainly reasons under IRS tax codes that you wanna do that. They if if your membership is made up by elected officials, you get better treatment in the case. And and so that that that that's what I would recommend. So each community gets one they appoint one another official to the member. And the alternate would be one. You you could have an election. So the instead of instead of the underlying city appointing one of the council members as mayor to work, you would create the district. You would divide the district into what what we talk about what we call districts. Okay? And and you would say, okay. So each district is to vote on their representative to the board, and so your board members could be directly elected to board instead of having elected officials instead of having elected officials appointed. There is a third option. It's not not what I recommend, and that is you set it up where just let's say each city can appoint, but it doesn't have to be an elected official. They can when when when the district board does not have elected officials on it, it's not in the same in in in different situations, it's just not being the same. It's not even the same powers.
So what would the time frame look like between the two options of two elections or no elections creating that service district? Because that's what our citizens' Nibley is like. We want it now. Mhmm. So
So what would the time frame look like between the two options of two elections or no elections creating that service district? Because that's what our citizens' Nibley is like. We want it now. Mhmm. So
And and and whether Nibley or otherwise, I would probably make this comment that they didn't build the four year children in their house. Okay? They these things take time. They they take time, and so you have to be fairly dedicated to moving it along in order to get it done or it otherwise, it it languishes and, you know, then then it gets done. It's so now it's just. But this year, you you there is still time to get on the ballot for an election to create a special district in November. Okay? Everybody decided to hit the go button, then you can have an election on that in November. The deadline is, which I don't recommend getting up against, is sixty days before the election. Each of the underlying unions would have to say, go for it. K? You want that at least sixty days before that, which would mean, basically, you got June or July to decide. K? Then you would be created. The the election would be Canvas. Canvas would be effective sometime, you know, Christmas between Christmas and the New Year, usually the forty day Canvas period expires. And so then you can go to the lieutenant governor and say, hey. We passed the election, and we should return the district early next year. K? And then once the district is created, it could then call bond election, which can be held in November. And so that would be as soon as you could have a a funding election with the November 2026. K? With the Special Service District, we'll have to go through that first hurdle of an election, but it's too late to get to create the district, we have to go through a a hearing process and different things like that. You know, that process is too long to get
And and and whether Nibley or otherwise, I would probably make this comment that they didn't build the four year children in their house. Okay? They these things take time. They they take time, and so you have to be fairly dedicated to moving it along in order to get it done or it otherwise, it it languishes and, you know, then then it gets done. It's so now it's just. But this year, you you there is still time to get on the ballot for an election to create a special district in November. Okay? Everybody decided to hit the go button, then you can have an election on that in November. The deadline is, which I don't recommend getting up against, is sixty days before the election. Each of the underlying unions would have to say, go for it. K? You want that at least sixty days before that, which would mean, basically, you got June or July to decide. K? Then you would be created. The the election would be Canvas. Canvas would be effective sometime, you know, Christmas between Christmas and the New Year, usually the forty day Canvas period expires. And so then you can go to the lieutenant governor and say, hey. We passed the election, and we should return the district early next year. K? And then once the district is created, it could then call bond election, which can be held in November. And so that would be as soon as you could have a a funding election with the November 2026. K? With the Special Service District, we'll have to go through that first hurdle of an election, but it's too late to get to create the district, we have to go through a a hearing process and different things like that. You know, that process is too long to get
So, basically, for either special service district or special districts, funding is not gonna be on ballot until twenty
So, basically, for either special service district or special districts, funding is not gonna be on ballot until twenty
November twenty twenty. Alright. But I have a set separate question if I'm correct.
November twenty twenty. Alright. But I have a set separate question if I'm correct.
Each municipality would represent or get someone to represent their city, and then those elected people would create they would do make the decisions about who's hired to run this facility and things like that. Yep. Okay.
Each municipality would represent or get someone to represent their city, and then those elected people would create they would do make the decisions about who's hired to run this facility and things like that. Yep. Okay.
Yep. So this is as limited parking related to
Yep. So this is as limited parking related to
Three, four, five, all the cities represented tonight decide, yeah. Let's try this.
Three, four, five, all the cities represented tonight decide, yeah. Let's try this.
with some help legally. Right? We would then invite those cities to have a vote in their own councils to pass this resolution. I'm talking about fastest track here, not the yeah. Let's say three or four pass those. That that's fine. Right? And then as we get further and closer to maybe Von, it's easier to just add groups to that through a similar process. Or or is there a different process there? It's like, you know, maybe it was not ready yet, but everyone else moves forward.
with some help legally. Right? We would then invite those cities to have a vote in their own councils to pass this resolution. I'm talking about fastest track here, not the yeah. Let's say three or four pass those. That that's fine. Right? And then as we get further and closer to maybe Von, it's easier to just add groups to that through a similar process. Or or is there a different process there? It's like, you know, maybe it was not ready yet, but everyone else moves forward.
There should be in in the process ways that we can add the district. Right? The process to add is the same as the process to create. You just go through the same process for that area, and there is a lot of truth to sort it over right hand. But people are not so interested in doing the work until they can smell the red meat.
There should be in in the process ways that we can add the district. Right? The process to add is the same as the process to create. You just go through the same process for that area, and there is a lot of truth to sort it over right hand. But people are not so interested in doing the work until they can smell the red meat.
Justin Mon, Yiddly City. I'm trying I'm still trying to wrap my head around just a little bit, the funding and the abilities of each district. And so, obviously, to go to to pull a big amount of money, you need to have an election or have a bond. But does is either the can either of the districts charge a property tax?
Justin Mon, Yiddly City. I'm trying I'm still trying to wrap my head around just a little bit, the funding and the abilities of each district. And so, obviously, to go to to pull a big amount of money, you need to have an election or have a bond. But does is either the can either of the districts charge a property tax?
Not without an election. Not without elect either one. Yeah. Postal election for two purposes. One is through operational expenses. The other is for the capital expenses.
Not without an election. Not without elect either one. Yeah. Postal election for two purposes. One is through operational expenses. The other is for the capital expenses.
Okay. I guess what I'm trying to the Long
Okay. I guess what I'm trying to the Long
Beach. Okay. Well, I'm trying to bring it back to examples we have in this valley of districts. And we have the water district that was there was an election to create the water district, cash water district. Now it's a district, and it has the ability. They just raised taxes this last year, right, through the truth in taxation process and are charging a property tax.
Beach. Okay. Well, I'm trying to bring it back to examples we have in this valley of districts. And we have the water district that was there was an election to create the water district, cash water district. Now it's a district, and it has the ability. They just raised taxes this last year, right, through the truth in taxation process and are charging a property tax.
Yeah. But but to for one of these districts to start the taxing process, there must be much more operational as well as for
Yeah. But but to for one of these districts to start the taxing process, there must be much more operational as well as for
Right. So we did have an election for the with the water district a few years ago, created the district. It just kind of existed. It was funded, I believe, by Cache County for a number of years, and then they just started charging a a actual property tax through the through the taxation process. So we had one election, created the district. They haven't gone for a bond needing a second election, but they are charging a property tax. Is that fitting one of these two that you're
Right. So we did have an election for the with the water district a few years ago, created the district. It just kind of existed. It was funded, I believe, by Cache County for a number of years, and then they just started charging a a actual property tax through the through the taxation process. So we had one election, created the district. They haven't gone for a bond needing a second election, but they are charging a property tax. Is that fitting one of these two that you're
trying to That would not fit one of these. So for certain types of districts, there okay. So historically, the way this happened was up until about the nineteen thirties, there were no issues. The county, cities, and towns. And then in nineteen thirties, with some of the economic struggles, the legislature, some of the first that they created were the metropolitan districts that. And these initial districts were challenged as constitutional. Utah Supreme Court said, we're okay with it. Since that time, there's 30 something different types of districts to create. Obviously, there are it it it and when it comes to water, sewer, and some other special purposes, then they're they're handled a little bit. Okay. They they have different rules. But we're a recreation issue. Okay. Thank you.
trying to That would not fit one of these. So for certain types of districts, there okay. So historically, the way this happened was up until about the nineteen thirties, there were no issues. The county, cities, and towns. And then in nineteen thirties, with some of the economic struggles, the legislature, some of the first that they created were the metropolitan districts that. And these initial districts were challenged as constitutional. Utah Supreme Court said, we're okay with it. Since that time, there's 30 something different types of districts to create. Obviously, there are it it it and when it comes to water, sewer, and some other special purposes, then they're they're handled a little bit. Okay. They they have different rules. But we're a recreation issue. Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. I'm not sure about the relevance at this point, but it gives me a chance to quote David Church at very. And I'm I'm not advocating for
Thank you. I'm not sure about the relevance at this point, but it gives me a chance to quote David Church at very. And I'm I'm not advocating for
district that requires two elections or a special service district that could get off the ground with one election.
district that requires two elections or a special service district that could get off the ground with one election.
However, David said, win graciously and lose quickly. And it's possible to me, in my mind, that two elections let us actually find a test of ours for, you know, our citizens, our residents appetite for this. So even find out how residents actually feel about that. Now we see the Whitney, thank you. You're gonna you're gonna do a great job of collecting statistically valid data. I'm still waiting for So I mentioned to you, I mean, for the definition of that on on a
However, David said, win graciously and lose quickly. And it's possible to me, in my mind, that two elections let us actually find a test of ours for, you know, our citizens, our residents appetite for this. So even find out how residents actually feel about that. Now we see the Whitney, thank you. You're gonna you're gonna do a great job of collecting statistically valid data. I'm still waiting for So I mentioned to you, I mean, for the definition of that on on a
our status. Okay. We have our status. And we all know what that means.
our status. Okay. We have our status. And we all know what that means.
But being said, the path is resistance wins. I'm gonna get these backwards. It's the the special district does not require an election. Correct?
But being said, the path is resistance wins. I'm gonna get these backwards. It's the the special district does not require an election. Correct?
Special district requires the election to create a special service district.
Special district requires the election to create a special service district.
K. I've over had my talk with my last question. If we create a special service district,
K. I've over had my talk with my last question. If we create a special service district,
what is the timeline associated with them converting it to a special district? Code does not mention the time frame. Does not say there's any penalty time that has to be a special service district before it can convert. So I checked. I I was like, there I have the same question. Yeah. Gotta be there. Gotta be. No. It's not. So so, hypothetically, you create a special service district in your next meeting in your next meeting, convert to a special district
what is the timeline associated with them converting it to a special district? Code does not mention the time frame. Does not say there's any penalty time that has to be a special service district before it can convert. So I checked. I I was like, there I have the same question. Yeah. Gotta be there. Gotta be. No. It's not. So so, hypothetically, you create a special service district in your next meeting in your next meeting, convert to a special district
and then move forward without the other mayors and put something on the ballot in '26 for taxation.
and then move forward without the other mayors and put something on the ballot in '26 for taxation.
My name is. I'm with Providence City. I have a question from my mind as we're discussing here. So we're representing several cities here. So my view is necessary to test the water in their cities, but there's one deal I think in my head. Right now, it's out of the election by adopting a resolution. District, what is the status of the whole district till everybody gets their work done, kind of, back together?
My name is. I'm with Providence City. I have a question from my mind as we're discussing here. So we're representing several cities here. So my view is necessary to test the water in their cities, but there's one deal I think in my head. Right now, it's out of the election by adopting a resolution. District, what is the status of the whole district till everybody gets their work done, kind of, back together?
First question is always, who's getting in the vote?
First question is always, who's getting in the vote?
The governing documents of the district. Do we create bylaws? Do we what what does that look like? Yeah. So,
The governing documents of the district. Do we create bylaws? Do we what what does that look like? Yeah. So,
typically, we've been and I'm I called with Air BC today on this. We just created special services for that. So they don't have the same power to adopt audiences, the city gaps. They do adopt those, you know, issues. I'll I'll say this. For political purposes, your citizens are gonna ask, how is this district gonna be controlled? And so you have to know upfront how it's gonna happen. As a legal matter, the district can't create rules and regulations until the district is served on by the new.
typically, we've been and I'm I called with Air BC today on this. We just created special services for that. So they don't have the same power to adopt audiences, the city gaps. They do adopt those, you know, issues. I'll I'll say this. For political purposes, your citizens are gonna ask, how is this district gonna be controlled? And so you have to know upfront how it's gonna happen. As a legal matter, the district can't create rules and regulations until the district is served on by the new.
So the quickest and easiest way to get it quick would be out of private fleet.
So the quickest and easiest way to get it quick would be out of private fleet.
Potentially, the the issue is, can the public bodies prime the pump, so to speak, to to there's a there's a word I wanna use. To reduce you you you gotta get there decades sooner if you reduce it than if you just leave. You don't you don't have a population based that we have in order to let that just happen in the private sector. To do something like that, you you need to. But but but, yes, I'm I'm all all over having private wealth except for certain things. For example, swimming pools will never make money. That's gonna have to be on the public's time. Okay? And some other things, surprisingly, you can get enough support that that it can actually do private business. And and you wanna find that sweet spot when you you do some of those. Sorry. I I just can't help but poke David Church. What is the role of local
Potentially, the the issue is, can the public bodies prime the pump, so to speak, to to there's a there's a word I wanna use. To reduce you you you gotta get there decades sooner if you reduce it than if you just leave. You don't you don't have a population based that we have in order to let that just happen in the private sector. To do something like that, you you need to. But but but, yes, I'm I'm all all over having private wealth except for certain things. For example, swimming pools will never make money. That's gonna have to be on the public's time. Okay? And some other things, surprisingly, you can get enough support that that it can actually do private business. And and you wanna find that sweet spot when you you do some of those. Sorry. I I just can't help but poke David Church. What is the role of local
municipal governments governments? It's to David would teach us. It's to provide services to citizens that they cannot easily provide themselves. And so maybe that question of private versus public is a question of that. What you know, if if it's if it's gonna be handled I'm I'm a believer that if it's gonna be handled, you know, by the private entity, Government doesn't need to be involved. But I don't see private entity, perhaps perhaps I don't see the private entity having solved this problem yet. So then we get to the point of inducing, sparking, catalyzing the whole thing as a public entity.
municipal governments governments? It's to David would teach us. It's to provide services to citizens that they cannot easily provide themselves. And so maybe that question of private versus public is a question of that. What you know, if if it's if it's gonna be handled I'm I'm a believer that if it's gonna be handled, you know, by the private entity, Government doesn't need to be involved. But I don't see private entity, perhaps perhaps I don't see the private entity having solved this problem yet. So then we get to the point of inducing, sparking, catalyzing the whole thing as a public entity.
Yeah. I'll tell you a little story on this one. So West Of Ogden is the city of Clinton and West Haven. Okay? And their their their neighborhood city's neighbors are not incorporated. I'm not quite sure. But there's a couple of highways that run East West. They're maybe two miles apart. Clinton is on one, and West Haven is on the other. Yeah. This happened a while back, but I'll I'll remember. So West Haven is talking to me about, hey. And over in Clinton, just one, two, three miles away, they had developed two corners of their intersection. And that's a screenshot. And so, you know, they're they're talking about the estimate. I still remember the council member was was like, well, Clinton didn't do nothing, and they got that development over there. Why should we do it? And I, you know, I said, well, you know, that's that's another one. And then, I don't know, about two months went by, and they're still kind of chilling on that. I'm not sure what they're gonna do with this case to cancel. And I had to write them a letter, and I said, okay. Look. I I consulted with you. You haven't paid me any money. You know, I've never had actually entered into a full engagement with you, and I'm writing you now to tell you that I I don't represent you. Okay? Well, I have to write this letter because Clinton called me, and they were ready to take action. And they said, you know what? We want to develop the other two corners on our intersection, and we we wanna create a redevelopment agency so that we can reduce businesses to locate here. And they got completely built out, and they got all the commercial and cool city of Dallas. And and and so that that goes to the point of just that that that inducement can, you know, really cause things to happen, but without it, it doesn't. That was an uncomfortable that's the only time I've ever written a potential client and said, I don't know who's this person is. That's funny.
Yeah. I'll tell you a little story on this one. So West Of Ogden is the city of Clinton and West Haven. Okay? And their their their neighborhood city's neighbors are not incorporated. I'm not quite sure. But there's a couple of highways that run East West. They're maybe two miles apart. Clinton is on one, and West Haven is on the other. Yeah. This happened a while back, but I'll I'll remember. So West Haven is talking to me about, hey. And over in Clinton, just one, two, three miles away, they had developed two corners of their intersection. And that's a screenshot. And so, you know, they're they're talking about the estimate. I still remember the council member was was like, well, Clinton didn't do nothing, and they got that development over there. Why should we do it? And I, you know, I said, well, you know, that's that's another one. And then, I don't know, about two months went by, and they're still kind of chilling on that. I'm not sure what they're gonna do with this case to cancel. And I had to write them a letter, and I said, okay. Look. I I consulted with you. You haven't paid me any money. You know, I've never had actually entered into a full engagement with you, and I'm writing you now to tell you that I I don't represent you. Okay? Well, I have to write this letter because Clinton called me, and they were ready to take action. And they said, you know what? We want to develop the other two corners on our intersection, and we we wanna create a redevelopment agency so that we can reduce businesses to locate here. And they got completely built out, and they got all the commercial and cool city of Dallas. And and and so that that goes to the point of just that that that inducement can, you know, really cause things to happen, but without it, it doesn't. That was an uncomfortable that's the only time I've ever written a potential client and said, I don't know who's this person is. That's funny.
You know what? Once once I started building, I I think that was was a little minor. Well, thank you for having me up. You know, I I work with a variety of your communities on this, that, and the other, and I hope to continue to do that. And I I I see that, you know, that it's still in the exploration stage, and I can see, you know, basically,
You know what? Once once I started building, I I think that was was a little minor. Well, thank you for having me up. You know, I I work with a variety of your communities on this, that, and the other, and I hope to continue to do that. And I I I see that, you know, that it's still in the exploration stage, and I can see, you know, basically,
Yeah. I'd be happy to hear all the slides to all of you. And, Tim, if you can share this with your counsel and staff and whoever might need that.
Yeah. I'd be happy to hear all the slides to all of you. And, Tim, if you can share this with your counsel and staff and whoever might need that.
And, Cheryl, I don't know how complete of minutes, three minutes, or our meeting would be happy to share that with you to the communities. Okay? So we have a list of attendees, which I would just send over the master and send it. Eric, thank you so much.
And, Cheryl, I don't know how complete of minutes, three minutes, or our meeting would be happy to share that with you to the communities. Okay? So we have a list of attendees, which I would just send over the master and send it. Eric, thank you so much.