Joint Meeting Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee & Steering Committee Meeting

Thank you.

The weird way that it's it's no country. Oh, isn't it? You're just gonna see them when I sub the other. Of course. Yeah. That's it. Man. Oh my god. I smell it. That's not.

But I'll get started. I don't need to be recorded. Yeah. And it's before the meeting. Everything. Right? So we're continuing with park maintenance. It's a little slower now that I'm down. I just found out one of my last two seasonals put in his two week notice.

Yesterday, maybe ending tomorrow.

That's a fast two weeks.

Here's my two week notice, and I can't work the next

week. I guess the school schedule is just getting a more volume search for that. So I'll be down to one, two hours a day for those. And these are the young ones that can't drive, so we'll have to shut them. But things are slowing down for a couple weeks, and then it's gonna pick back up because the leaves just start falling. We've started Justin and Steve have asked me to start blowing that sprinklers about a month early. He should have stopped like, stopped losing it much water. So we've started with stormwater ponds, and then we'll proceed with the bigger parts towards the October, which is about normal, depending on weather. And then we've been helping with quite a bit of support with Chad and their events the last few weeks trying to get them set up with things. And as always, my to do list is way too long. Get down. And then we're working on our fall, weed spraying, aerating, fertilizing, get things ready for a while. So I found that it's the most effective for my weeds for it in the fall because of all the perennial weeds. I can wipe them out in the fall, and then it gives me a little more time in the spring to do other things before I have to pick spring for the ones that germinate in the spring and so it's come up. Because a lot of your dandy onions are really not craving anything. These are not all of them are producing falls. So and then aerating, we found out that back here is very hard. I could only get my aerator aerator in about three inches in a really soft spot. Most functions only go in about an inch and a half.

On the. On the.

Yep. And that's mostly because we stripped all the topsoil, and it's basically just the body that's there. And so trying to get some air and some other materials that have to go. So it took a couple of years to really lift up the spring to life. And that's kind of the reason why it's a yellowish green instead of a green green because there's lack of nutrients in the root system now. They can't get very deep. There's not very many nutrients in the quality. So it's kinda sealed being there. It doesn't get some aerating. We have to break it open. We don't roll up with the freeze thaw cycles and break it open and help get moisture and and air in the environment. We get we get more interest in. So any questions? Any idea? Any update on this right field might have ended? No. We still have the time to go. We've gotta cut the asphalt out. The or the there originally was the power pedestal, and I believe in about 30 feet east. K. We've had a lot of time to cut the ass all that, expose that, and see if that's what I've got. If if not, we're not sure what to do with because it's yeah. So why am I in the end? The whole point. Yeah. You know, like, I can't get in there at seventy. It was it was probably dark in the computer. But yeah. That one was pretty hard. Thankfully, it's a bigger ball. It's not a softball. Yeah. I was gonna say it's it's only a couple of weeks forward. I wouldn't let anyone provide you. Because probably the software that's thousand case of business. So okay. And then Just a moment. Just a sec. Let me go back

to try now. Okay. And then

two weeks ago, we had the National Day of Service project. One of the projects was we planted floating on trees down at the discourse. Here's some of the participants. There were about thirty, thirty five people that showed up down there. I was told Becky had roughly thirty, thirty five people there. Firefly, I don't know too sure.

And, yeah, I'm fired.

Okay. And then there was I was told about this around the people showed up to the Morgan's farm, and then there was just a handful of your. I don't how much how many donations did you end up picking up on the various locations?

So I didn't get, like, the full count. There was this whole quarter over here just as you come in this front door. Like, there was several clothing items and food items. We had put a couple of drop boxes at Heritage Park that morning just with the soccer game so that community members who want to donate can donate. And there was probably one of those containers that was mostly full between the two that we dropped. So a good number. A good number of donations both for clothing and and food. So

Yeah. Cool. It's alright. I think So it's your turn, Curtis. Andy k. Alright.

Well, apologies that you get to put up with me tonight instead of Chad, or you're welcome depending on how you look at it. But I'm happy to be here. Thanks for letting me come and talk at you for a little bit. Just to give you a couple updates, just wanted to go through a few different things. It'd be a little bit quick fire, but happy to answer any questions as well you have. So first and foremost, just wanted to remind you about the Nibley FIT, volunteer position that's open now. So if you know of anybody that would be interested or willing to be a TA or Nibley FIT instructor, they by doing that, they will get an automatic free Nibley FIT pass for the year as well as each quarter. Just like serving on this committee, they don't have a free entry to a race or a youth sports registration. So if you know somebody, please pass the word along. That is a good question. I am not a 100% sure. I think so. Yes. I believe that is the case with it, but that's a good point. So I would I would say yes, but I'm also not a a 100% sure on this. So so moving forward, these next few slides, just things I know that, Chad brings us up on a frequent basis just to let you know how we're growing with our youth sports programs. It's cool to see over the past several years just where we're at. This is fall soccer, and, again, we're continuing to grow. Fall soccer is definitely a lot smaller than our spring soccer program, but that's been the case just as long as I've been told. So I guess it's going out of that. And then for flag football, also growing there as well. We were curious how, things may impact us with just the promotion with the Friday night flight that's going on and also hiring with their hiring and running manager, but we're still growing and participating. It's people excited to have the kids be able to come and and play in in the sport. So, yeah, there's a quick little report for you for fall sports that continue to grow. So is that I I heard it. I haven't looked at it, but I've heard it. I've been day.

It's crazy. Oh, wow. But the difficult I guess

So it's it's pretty Mhmm. I do know that they only have games on Friday nights. Right. Right. So we'll keep trucking along, right, offering it and also continue to grow. I think I think I think it's the Will of Hartfield. Anyway but, yeah, it is in London. Yeah. Adult coed volleyball is new this year, and the only thing just want Chad wanted me to just express, I have not been involved super with this, but we maxed it out. We had full eight teams, that we were able to get with that. So it's been it's been cool to see that response happen when it was little bit last minute that we decided to do, but it's cool to see that there's interest for for adult sports.

It's been fun. Oh, okay. Nice.

Awesome. I will definitely pass it along, Max. So thank you. Good to good to hear. So alright. Just Chad wanted me to just go over just a couple of things with these next couple of slides. This is just the survey that's been been going on to get interest from the community about what kind of programs they're wanting to see both youth youth and adult. We will be closing it soon. He didn't let me know on the date specifically, but just wanna kinda get a little bit more feedback as well before we close it off. But so far, this is just to kinda let you know what the responses we've got. So for youth programs specifically, these are the higher ranking or the the higher interest responses that we've got, and archery is leading the way. So we know that the the good thing that this brings by doing these surveys is we know that if we start doing a program, there's enough interest that we can make the program work. So it's really cool to see this, response as well, for these different programs, and we're excited to see how how this is gonna look moving forward. Forward oh, these are just a little bit more in-depth look for the youth survey. So if you're curious on where the ranking was for some of the other programs that was indicated as well, but, alright. And the next one for the adult programs, again, just moving forward and just seeing some of the interest with this. We did the adult coed volleyball. Again, this year, we just talked about, but these are some of the responses we got for adult programs as well. So pickleball, huge huge interest there. Right? And then volleyball, hiking club, these are just some of those top responses, know how we can be able to adapt and include more of our community in recreating. So questions on any of those? Alright. K. We'll keep on quick firing then. So just a recap from our movies in the parks of the Incredibles two, huge success. Had some great character interactions. As you can see right there, The Incredibles family there. But just really good community response, had some awesome activities, so it's an awesome awesome experience. And then, likewise, How to Train Your Dragon, was also a really good response that we had there. Couple of things that we were wondering, maybe some of the reasons why this was a successful as well as one, it was a brand new movie out, so re recent release, and then also, just the fireworks that we had to reschedule from, excuse me, heritage days that took place afterwards. But great response from the community. Activities were hopping the entire time. Again, great character meet and greets there. I think we're grateful for those volunteers. And, yeah, good turnout. A lot of people stayed for the movie as well. So yes, Kendall. Did it start a little early?

Yeah. Because I'm like, where is the movie? That's there.

You can just close your eyes.

So yeah. And then, like, you need a full on blast. So it needed to be? K.

Yeah. Angry.

Gotcha. So I'll take that back to you, and that's a good note for us to just keep in mind. Movies will be full of. Right? So Yeah. Oh, no. Thank you. Because, again, like, if it if the movie that starts with a dark scheme, right, we wanna make sure that people are able to view it. So oh, and then just like this was the school contest. For those of you that are not sure, I'll just do a really quick recap. So we invite and try to get volunteers and make it a school competition with the schools in our area and to help us out in our different events. And, this is just the results from that. So Thomas Edison came in first place this year. Ridgeline is second place. Heritage, third. South Cache is fourth. These are just number of volunteers and volunteer hours over the course of the time. So, yep. Scarecrow fun run was this past Saturday. It was great great event. It was a little early than what we've done in the past, but we got a good response. The registration and the participation was not right where it was yes last year. So definitely wasn't a huge gap in there, but not as high of of participation the year before. We attribute that probably because we were also competing with the Logan marathon, that same day as well as, some different high school homecomings that were happening as well. So so there's some impact there that we're anticipating and why. So things just take forward, but it was a great event. It's fun. I think that was the fastest cleanup that we were out of there that we ever had with that race. It was pretty nice. We're done by 11:30 in the morning. So, anyway and then just wanted to spend a few minutes on this. This is Becky. I know he's heading this up and just appreciate any spreading the work you can for this event. It's just this nature and conservation event. We're gonna do some tree planting, but it's on Thursday, tomorrow, 05:30, and do need to RSMP so they can know with what to do for pizza. But please spread the word, if you don't mind, so we can get a good turnout there. Super grateful for the work that Becky and and her efforts do for this as well. So just checking my notes, making sure.

You you mind if I add a little Oh, absolutely. No. Please do. Please do. If you have three five is the important organization, each other.

So you have a team? That was a number. I actually have that. They could be at least

a

I know how much trees cost. For

these. This do we need to coordinate to make sure those are in the ground?

Theirs would be taking hold. I'm just supposed to work. Oh, there's Who's taking the hold? Volunteers. Volunteers. Mhmm.

Marco, you got You got tomorrow. Right?

Oh, there you go. That's a councils during that time.

And then

it's pretty good to use with the natural. Down in Salt Lake City. That, yeah, I really would like to see that. But I think that could be really neat. We worry about I mean, this this is really an effort to make sure that we didn't name a park after something we destroyed, which is and typical of subdivisions. You know? But Fireflies Park, if we we don't really know what it takes to make Fireflies happy and we know lights from. So that's what the trees are all about. It's a shield. It's from Clear Creek Clear Creek. Clear Creek. So the trees are actually integrated, but it's a shield Firefly area from traffic lights versus vehicle lights. Vehicle. And then I would I think it's

I think it's Yeah. It's kind of to block the party where they come unclear.

Is the goodness. There's no shine in. Yeah.

Was my understanding.

So anyway Yeah. I think the publicity is a little late getting out on this. So as Curtis said, they they treat it outwardly. They like it when they get recognition. They're doing the. So if you can do anything to drum up business and break.

Thank you. Hey. Just, also, if you're excited about it or not, it's coming. But we do have our we do have our annual I know. Taylor. Right? Oh, we got our annual decorating contest coming up starting with our Halloween decorating contest. Registration is open now. If you would like to judge, you're welcome to judge. If you would like to enter, you're welcome to enter. You cannot do both. Chad wanted me to emphasize that. So just as a heads

up. So Conflict of interest. You're right. So,

just moving forward, just to let you know, on the fifteenth, and there is a little bit of a mix up on this miscommunication that took place, we are gonna be hosting our ultimate Frisbee showcase game again with Riverhawks and the Mustangs, their high school teams. It is October 15, but it's actually at 06:30, not at seven. So done. Right? Ash is the gray. Yeah. I'm just gonna be quiet. I'm pissed off. Hey.

Yeah.

And then just keep on again with holiday decorating contest. We have our Christmas decorating contest coming up as well. Same rules apply as the Halloween decorating contest. You can enter or judge, not both. But information will be coming soon about that. Live nativity, again, at Morgan Farm, is gonna be taking place with that. We have the dates. More details to come. So December. And then just looking forward, we do have some of our dates in 2026. So just as a information, long way in the back of your mind, we'll be bringing it up again, but we do have the Hopsicle. So the March 28. Heritage Days five k, the June 13. Scarecrow Fun Run, we do not have that date yet, so that will be coming. And, also, Heritage Days, June 13, the '20 Yeah. '26. Please.

Just for the minutes, Nate Lauerson is on Zoom. Oh, nice. Whitney Ward is as well from VCBO.

We need to

Oh, really? This isn't part of the This is all

Delete up. Yeah. It's alright. I promise I'm almost done. So

But then I Yeah.

K. Did you need this one too, Cameron? I think. Yeah. I will do. Yeah. Totally. You're good.

Delivery is on the plan probably. Yes. Yes. Correct.

Alright. I'm good. Alright. And, yeah, that's it. So questions on recreation report? Okay. Well, I'm gonna take that silence as being able to move on. Okay. Yeah.

He's not the other coach he coaches the two teams, so maybe his bags got mixed. But in his older bag, he had two sides of the falls. So I don't know if his bags got mixed up. Trying to be We played Aggies. The league grade Aggie. He also played.

Third form, Grayway. And forth. That's right. K.

And then what was the other PD? Raiders? Yeah. Raiders. He didn't He did he didn't say that this this. The Aggies band had the two different sides of.

Oh, okay. Okay. So the other coach has the Aggie bag, and it's got two different sides now? So it's.

Right? Yeah. Yeah. Or should it go?

Yeah. I need to. Okay. You just said that is back at 2 u for $2.02, but for

calls. Yeah. Alright. No. Thank you. I'll get with I'll give you John about that. So thank you.

I got a look at it. I was like, is it birth certificate? Right. Yeah. Well, he went for a hot, like, a hot pass. We had three kids around him when trying to explain. Like, it wasn't even a It wasn't even a

question. Holy cow.

No. Thank you. I'll I'll check-in with him so he can make sure.

I did. I'm not using his circuit on his voice. No way. No way,

That's something.

How does that make you feel that you have passed? I see. You know what? I'm I'm used to

it, my dad. K.

K. Well, candlelight belief. Yeah. Yep. K. No. You're good. I just wanna make sure I wasn't missing something.

And we'll go over here. Sarah Anderson. Not here. Josh went out to the he will be late, so we will put the time in when we should. Manny Levis? Here. Yep. John Hayden. We're missing. Listen. K. Is not here yet. Jason? Here. Keith? Here. Yeah. Like, you're having nine with your native son. Council for And then we have in place of Curtis and Levi. Takes two people to replace Jack.

We're here as part of the steering fee part of the steering fee for that. It's how I'm Correct. Correct.

Perfect. Okay. We need to approve the minutes and the agenda. So I am accepting which.

I will know and my intel brain, they go by me and says, break. And you approve. But last time I was proven wrong, you next time I accept.

Most minutes. Do I have a second?

Sorry?

John, you seconds it. Do I have all in favor? Say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Madam's agenda or have agenda approved. Have a comment period. There's no one on. Did she have a comment? No problem. No problem. We just okay. And then new action items. Here. Oh, but I can kind of speak to that one, actually. So volunteer for Founder's Day for the. I went and helped out a little bit with Chad for that. It was good. It was pretty slow when I was there, and then I left, like, around twelve, and Jack said it picked up a lot. So but it sounded like it went well, got good response. There were some Wellsville council members that were there as well. So. Alright. And then most of the rest of us did two political candidates in surrounding communities. So John, we had Mendon and Hiram. We're even able to talk with them. Josh at Millville and Providence. I am Paradise, and I cannot if I think it's probably what Chad said. So Cool. No surprise there. It's Okay. And then he didn't believe in Kendall. I still work. And then Chad and Rod having a conversation with officer Atwood about enforcing log code changes in regards to motorized vehicles and other safety issues to also talk with city council after that. Yeah. But I do I I have a comment on that subject. I went to have a soccer soccer team, and the coach had a golf cart on the field, and he drove right up to the field with his golf cart on the grass. I saw it.

What? For soccer. For soccer.

They just they live behind Clear Creek, and they would drive to Clear Creek. They drive to Heritage, and they drive on the grass. And then we wound up changing bills because the other bill wasn't being used and it had darker light than the golf cart right across. And I was like,

you're a coach.

Anyways and then that then there was an ebike, and then there were there were kids on, like, the motorcycle. So I texted Jack, and he texted Justin. And by the time we figured out what to do, the two big contenders had already gone, like the ebike and the motorcycle. And then I was just gonna mention to the coach afterward, and then he left fast while I was talking to the parent. I'm like, well, that was a big fella, but now I know what to do for next time. It was just one of those crazy things of, like, where is so Yes. Yeah. We talked about this a little bit or less. We just kinda brought up, is this a problem we need to address? And then we do that. So I have kind of a nappy around, and then people and I'm gonna try to get this. I wondered if we've thought all that time with our sheriff's our sheriff's office and maybe coordinating with the elementary schools and maybe even South Cache, it'd be possible or necessary to do an assembly from a maybe at the sheriff's office, either one, inductee assembly, and they can talk about what's the what's the state team, what, like, community. And our community members themselves will say, this is what we helped you. This is what it looks like. We save the community. This is what it looks like. We save on electric vehicles. Yeah. Here's some of the base road rules.

I don't know. Differently, we talk about pedestrian. They that risk on the sidewalk. Is that what you're talking about? Oh,

Yeah. Yeah. No. But Yeah. You you because we might adhere to we've taken brain ribbon leak, which is pedestrian safety and learning all those things, and RED ribbon leak, which is your drug and alcohol, and we combine it into one big huge safety. It was next week. I'll just it's a thing. Okay. The next episode. Yeah. But because I know it it you know, it's it's totally. Right? Right? But I do like that.

You'll see in the building. K. If you talk to an approach, that's all. I think that doesn't end right now. But in this stuff, we all see it. They just do. Right? But if we know, love love it. And what's the worst? And, like, the latest is

the schools could still throw that out in emails to yeah. There's there's a community update. Yeah. I totally if it's an email or something, some messaging coming from the sheriff's office, my whole Mhmm. With the. If we see these well and broken, we're gonna start and talk to you and let me know what groups are. And some of them call are in person too.

But I think so I mean, school. Most of the kids serve

in school that he does.

Middle time. Yeah. Middle time. Opposite time. And doesn't the

I like to ride motorcycles really.

Still peeing. Yesterday. Today. I mean, the kid happened to be the dude at least 35 an hour and just

Yeah. So in the neighborhood then.

Yeah. I think Well, my so, yeah, I'm not sure

we're reviewing your actions. I'm not That's true. I'm not just I have lots of ideas Yeah. About Yeah. 15 pedestrians from motorized travel. And I have to counsel about this. Thank you. Again, maybe we'll I'm not sure. On, like, scooters. So even even even I don't buy schools. Even the. But that's public plan, and this is how to use a grid. There are lots of there are lots of things we can do to be heard. Yes. So we can process the blocks and such and problems that it really puts down to how we enforce those. And so that's that's what we're worth. And maybe you can come back to us. You know, so we have maybe you can understand the pedestrian.

I was I was gonna say it to we we have talked about this a lot in the past. We've heard from, like, a lot of people. So we we had a lot of conversations about that, and it's kinda, like, kinda got to the point of, like, this is as much as we feel like we can write many than we do. And that's kinda where the action of the party was that will came from. Right? So think revisiting it with with the guy the city in Butler will be really good at doing some I'll reinforce some of those energy business.

And I do think it's for separating the safety issue on sidewalks from the public vehicles in the parks. Because there there is the safety issue as well, but it's also broad on the agenda.

Yeah. That's Yeah. The broad is willing. The research he did was awesome. He did the same presentation. He is it very applicable to the sidewalks that represent? It's it's the leverage you need between thighs and speed and then the.

Maybe not tomorrow. Yeah. I have a.

For some reason, it is.

Hopefully, it's the same place. Okay. We're waiting and then waiting very patiently. Number five, indoor recreation, feasibility study, market research summary, summary, namely, how wide that collected and recommendations summary presented to the cash counter steering committee for consideration. Whitney is gonna be presenting from VR, DCBO, and and we'll go to that point.

And, Whitney, do you wanna share your screen?

Yeah. Maybe test your audio real quick. Yeah. Yes. I would love to. And can you hear me alright?

Yes.

Excellent. K. It works for you? I just sent a request.

Oh,

here. Just a sec. Okay.

Excellent. K. And let me make this presentable here. Alright. Can you all see my screens?

No. Let me

yeah. Yes. Now.

Okay. Excellent. So this is a presentation that we shared with the steering committee. It's very much a work in progress, but we wanted to share it with you guys just so that you can see the direction that the project is going and the conversations that are being had as the countywide study progresses. And Chad did want me to share some of the market analysis because, again, I think it's resulted in some good recommendations that align with the work that's happening on the South Valley Recreation Center as well. So for the presentation, we've got, again, an update on the countywide market analysis, the discussion around recommended facilities from a countywide perspective, some potential locations and amenity distributions that are being considered, and then next steps, both for the county study as well as conversations, with you all for the Nibley or the South Valley study. So for the county study, of course, we were looking at the sports and recreation market for the entirety of Cache County and, again, about a population estimate of around a 147,000 people. And it was important to note here that Logan is the single largest city with a population of just over 58,000 people. And so it's important to recognize that population density or center from the county perspective. There was an analysis done of the recreation facilities that were available both public and private, and there are a broad range of interesting facilities within the county that are some level of public partnership. And so the Smithfield Recreation Center is a partnership between Smithfield and Cache County School District. There's the Logan Community Recreation Center, which is, again, a partnership between Logan City and the school district Logan School District. There's the Hanson Family Sports Complex, which is an interesting partnership between North Logan and the Hanson family, and then the Eccles Eye Center, which is really a community facility that's getting it has partnerships with a nonprofit, with the county, with North Logan, with some other communities. So, again, broad partnerships to to help operate that facility. And then there are we did note some additional facilities, Cache County Senior Center, Cache County Event Center. Even though they're not traditional recreation facilities, they are community available facilities. And then there's the Elite Hall as well as the Smithfield Civic Center. So, again, a broad range of of facilities that have interesting levels of partnerships and then, of course, a good range of private recreation facilities. And then it was also good to note that there are four pool facilities available in the county. So there's the Logan Aquatic Center, the Mountain Crest High School, Skyview High School, and then the pool at the USU. We also did just a high level drive time analysis out of curiosity to start to understand how these facilities might be serving the county or not. And what we heard, pretty loud and clear in both our South Valley survey and our countywide survey is that people really don't wanna drive further than fifteen minutes to get to a recreation facility. So out of curiosity, we looked at a fifteen minute drive time from the Hanson Family Sports Complex, and you can see that that actually encapsulates quite a bit of Logan, and it gets a little bit north up into the county, but not as far north as you would like and really isn't covering much of the South Valley. We then similarly looked at if a new facility were to be provided in the South Valley, how might that serve the county and what's that fifteen minute drive time? And that one does a good job in hitting most of the South Valley. Mendon is a little bit further away from that, but you can see we're really missing the North Side of the valley there. So that was sort of an interesting analysis of existing drive times within the county. And then we also looked at how many facilities should you have within the county, and how many do you have currently. And so this is an interesting analysis. It looks at the National Recreation and Parks Association data from populations across the country or from cities across the country, and it looks at how many people on average does a facility serve or how many, for example, basketball courts do you need per capita. And so this was looking at you know, typically, for recreation centers in a community the size of Cache County, there would be one recreation center for every 57,200 people, which would result in about two and a half recreation centers needed to serve the county community. And right now, you really have one in the Smithfield facility. We're not including the Logan Community Rec Center in this any longer because of the very limited public access that that facility has today. And going down the list, you would have 1.2 senior centers. There's one in the county today. You would have 1.3 aquatic centers. You don't have a publicly accessible aquatic center. You would have 1.4 ice rinks. Again, you do have one ice sheet. And then going down into courts, you would probably have about five to six publicly accessible courts, whether they're multi sport courts or basketball courts, one competitive pool, and then a one leisure pool, and at least one walking and jogging track. And we'll revisit those numbers just for reference. The other thing we looked at is the square footage of publicly available rec facilities. And so right now, you have the Eccles Eye Center, which is about 56,000 square feet. You have what we're calling a unicorn in the Hansen Family Sports Complex. And this one is a unicorn because most communities do not have a full size indoor turf soccer field. And so it is both big in comparison from a square footage perspective and rare. And then we have the Smithfield Recreation Center, which, again, is still a joint use facility with the school, so there is sublimited access to some of the facilities during some times when the school needs to use, for example, some of the gymnasiums. And then also looking at a point of reference, looking at population densities and how much square footage of indoor rec is provided. Provo City, you can see, is about a 115,000 people, and they have a 162,000 square feet of indoor recreation, which is about 1.4 square feet per per per person. Lehigh is the lowest at about point nine eight square feet per person, and then Orem and South Davis are sort of blanking the the other ends with Orem at 1.37 and South Davis at about 1.6 square feet per capita. So on average, in our market, we're seeing we typically see between one and one and a half or two at the peak square feet of recreation per capita and, on average about 1.34 square feet. And so this is something just for us to keep in mind as we're looking at the total square footage of recreation provided. We don't wanna over provide recreation. We don't wanna under provide, and we wanna make sure we're allowing for growth as the community grows as well. And so, ultimately, the countywide market analysis absolutely found that the population size should be supporting multiple indoor recreation facilities. And in reality, right now, you have one. There you have a medium age and interest in activities and wellness that the health and wellness components would be well supported by the community. The median household income and I didn't show this slide, but Cache County is lower than the South Valley when it comes to median household income. So when we did the South Valley analysis, we found that there was a higher household income, a little bit more disposable income to use for sports and recreation programs, and more of a willingness and interest in paying for it. The county was a little bit lower on the whole than the South Valley. And then, but we still note that there's a strong market potential for almost all recreation and sports activities within the Valley. You have a lack of indoor courts, and this one gets argued by folks that say, but we have all of these courts and schools that are readily available to us, and that is true. You do have a lot of courts available in schools. We are generally seeing a trend of schools not being as excited about sharing their court facilities for a range of reasons, whether it's they need them for time for their sports and athletics programs, their concerns about safety and security in the school, their concerns about maintenance, staffing, things like that. So that is something that that we're grappling with there. And, again, there is a very much a lack of indoor recreation and leisure aquatics. So while you do have aquatics in the Valley, they're all geared towards more competitive swimming programs versus leisure swimming and family oriented swimming. Any question on that before I keep going?

Whitney, I noticed you're not including the aquatic center. Is that just because it's an outdoor swimming pool, so we're not counting that? Yes. Because it's seasonal, it's not quite hitting that need for year round leisure aquatics.

And then this is just a reminder of the countywide survey takeaways from the request. So, again, top three priorities from residents, swimming and aquatics, adult sports and rec and fitness, and youth sports rec and fitness programs. And for dry recreation, we're looking at indoor court space, open access cardio, weight lifting, indoor track, and indoor field sports space. Again, consistent desire for flexible event spaces, and, that ten to fifteen minute drive becomes a strong priority. So this is just a reminder of those recommended amenities that we looked at a couple of slides ago. So when we look at this, again, there should be about two and a half recreation centers, a minimum of one, if not more, aquatic centers. Your ice rink is really interesting. From a national perspective, you should be doing okay, but you all are your ice rink in the county is booked from, like, 5AM until 1AM. It is running consistently. And so there is likely a need or a potential need for an additional ice sheet sooner than national data may indicate. Again, a shortfall of courts and leisure pool facilities. And so at a minimum, based off of the county size, you should have at least two, publicly available recreation centers, one indoor leisure pool or aquatics facility, six publicly available courts, and one indoor track. Now this is another differential where the community request for indoor field sports is higher than national average.

Okay.

And so what we're recommending, again, at a minimum, is one new aquatic center now with the plan to expand that and provide two aquatic centers into the future and also to plan for one additional ice sheet. And we would recommend that that ice sheet be colocated at the Eccles Ice Facility for all of the benefits that come along with locating, having the scheduling, the staffing, the rental, facilities, the locker rooms, etcetera. Right? We're also recommending as we look at distributed recreation facilities that no indoor recreation facility should have less than these kind of amenities that are listed here because these are the elements that are needed to serve all communities and all ages. So we would recommend, a minimum of two courts, if not three. If you want to host tournaments, that might need to go up to four courts. Again, if you want indoor fields, that would be in addition to this as well, but a minimum of two multi sport courts, an indoor walking and jogging track, space for open fitness equipment, and weight equipment, both cardio and weights, two group fitness studios, one party room or community room at a minimum, administrative space, and locker room space. And so, again, we're just looking at kind of what are those bare minimums that we would see at recreation centers distributed within the county. And then, we're starting to look at what does this mean from a square footage impact. This is still very much a work in progress, but we're starting to think about depending on how many recreation facilities are provided that impacts how much square footage each facility might be able to accommodate from a, financial capacity perspective. And so with that, we're now diving into geographic distribution options. And we have sort of what's happening now and then three distinct options that we've been looking at. So what's happening now is each city is figuring out how to meet their own recreation needs, and this is where this broad range of partnerships have emerged from. And so indoor recreation is distributed across communities. Private providers are trying to fill the gaps where they can, but some of those gaps aren't being filled such as aquatics where it's just too costly for those private providers to be able to accommodate that need. And, ultimately, if this trend continues, you would likely end up with three to five new recreation facilities within the county. There would be a South Valley facility. There would likely be a new Logan facility. There would potentially be something to serve the communities in the Far North and something to serve the communities in the Far South. And what happens here is you end up with a lot of individual community spending on recreation and duplication of services, but also perhaps an inequity of services. Because now one city has this and another city has that, it's harder to have joint use agreements to get people back and forth between the facilities when you get to this large number of public facilities. And so, ultimately, what we see is this ends up with a lot of duplication of services and inconsistent services within the county. So we're not recommending that the county continue in the way that it has been going from a recreation services perspective. So the first option that we're looking at is what we're calling the the single one stop shop recreation facility. This would be one facility with all of the programs and amenities collocated. You would go there for ICU, you would go there for indoor turf, you'd go there for swimming, you'd go there for everything the county has to offer. The recommendation would be this would be collocated likely in North Logan because that's where these other unique amenities are located. The challenge with this is we're not hitting the community needs and desires of that fifteen minute drive. We saw in that fifteen minute drive analysis that we did in our market that we're not hitting the needs of the South Valley with this option from a proximity perspective. So the benefits are, this is a really efficient option from a constructability and operations perspective. You have one place you're putting all of your dollars in, and it's operated efficiently. The pitfalls are that this would be too far away from many of the communities to be useful, and access and accessibility would be a challenge. And then this would also need to be operated by the county at this point because it would be one large facility that would require sort of the tax base of the county to help support it over time. So the next option is essentially splitting the county in half conveniently along Highway 89 for the sake of population discussions. Right now, about 50% of the county population lives North Of Highway 89, and 50% of the population lives South Of Highway 89. And so the idea here is that you would have, likely a new recreation facility in North Logan and a new recreation facility in the South Valley. And these two recreation facilities would be funded through a recreation district approach. And so it gets a little bit challenging on the North Side of the district with Smithfield having their own, but we feel like a recreation district is the the right approach, based off of the number of households, the population density to really be able to support and foster these recreation facilities. So, again, some work to do in conversations in the North Side Of The Valley just as you guys have some work to do in conversations on the South Side Of The Valley if this is the preferred alternative. The Can

I look at so I I just I don't wanna lose what you just said about splitting the county? Right? That's that's a big deal and something that we that we certainly have thought about with our own study. I just without the tracking of that, I think it's Highway 89 on the East Side of Main Street Of Logan is the dividing line, but I think that's Highway 30. 30.

Oh, thank you. I will I will fix my nomenclature.

It's easier to say highway, but that takes Wellsville into the North.

Thank you.

Right?

Yep. Yep. So the line is correct. Just

The words the words were not correct. And then the the real pitfall here in the challenge is it's splitting Logan.

That's a pitfall? You know? So sorry.

It's it's it is uncommon to split a city or a community

in You can gerrymandered here. Right? Yeah.

When it take longer to drive to the other side of that particular city, then They just need to have Anywhere in the the city. As an alphabet.

Find out.

It bears at least noting.

Yes. Yes. And that's that's why this makes sense, right, potentially, is because from an accessibility perspective, from a drive time perspective, splitting Logan across 89 And 30 does help sort of accommodate that more that additional access. It also, again, enhances the potential tax base associated with those two recreation districts and the facilities that could result from that.

Or you just tell them they get access to both facilities.

Well, Whitney has another option. Yeah. I didn't even do a survey of presentation.

Larry, you are welcome to give it at this point. But that is the exact point that there is now an option three, which is if it becomes too much of a challenge or it's not viable to split Logan in half, there is a third option that looks at a three facility solution, a North Valley solution, a South Valley solution, and a Logan solution. And, again, from a population density, it's interesting. It's about a third, a third, and a third within the county. So you're about 55 53 to 58,000 residents in each of these three areas. And what you would end up with here is a North Valley facility, again, location to be determined. A lot of good conversations to have there, a South Valley facility, location to be determined, a lot of good conversations to have there, and a new facility in Logan. And so this is where the size and the amenities of the facilities may shift and evolve depending on which of these alternatives are ultimately recommended within the study. Because as we start to spread that recreation square footage out across the county, it may result in some smaller facilities or some more specialized uses in different areas of the county as well. And then the big conversation is where does the aquatic center go? And it may come to be we've been recommending because the North Side Of The Valley already has some great amenities in the Hansen Sports Complex and the Eccles Ice Arena. Our recommendation is the aquatic center should the first one should be located on the South Side Of The Valley. And that's not to say that there couldn't or shouldn't be a second one located either in Logan or on the North Side Of The Valley in the future, but our thought for right now is to get an aquatic center, and that it would likely be as a part of your project. So these are the three options that are being discussed and considered. There have been no formal recommendations made. There's a lot of good conversations happening around these right now. Any questions on that?

What is the small existing rec center in the center of Logan? That little blue dot, what does that represent?

That represents the small access that Logan City residents have to the Logan City Recreation Center today.

And

It is not limited. I don't believe that Logan City works. But it's in fairness below.

I'm still a developer. They don't ask the city. But it is loading ramps and with very limited access. Correct, Wendy?

Correct. Yes. And you'll also know that the North Logan is a midsize dot, and that's a midsize dot because they actually don't have most of the traditional recreation programs. They they only have the Hansen indoor sports facility, and then they're sharing and effectively sharing the school district gymnasiums. And so they have sort of a hybrid program that they're running really effectively out of North Logan, but not out of a traditional recreation facility. And so Smithfield is the largest dot because they're the ones that have the closest thing to a traditional indoor community rec center.

Can I ask a question?

Yeah.

On option three, the potential recreation center in Logan, is that, like, theoretical location, or is there a a suggested location for that?

We do not have any formal location selected. These dots are very much theoretical at this point for all of these. The once the preferred alternative is selected, we'll start looking at different site location options, and we'll have to have a lot of good dialogue with different city leaders just like you guys are gonna be having dialogue with your surrounding communities to talk about, you know, as we come together, what properties are available, which ones are a good fit for a recreation center, and then what is the recreation center that could fit on that property. And so that's actually part of our next steps for the Cache County study is to continue to do stakeholder engagement to have some of these conversations with city leaders just as we're doing with you all to understand the benefits and the pitfalls of some of these options. And then we'll start looking at some more specific sites to evaluate and how different facilities might fit on those sites.

And if someone from any other entity ever asks you a question like that, you can say that exact same thing and end it with, for example, we think Nibley would be a great location to go.

Perfect. Nibley has identified a lovely site that would be a great home for a recreation center.

So waiting in the county steering committee meeting, talking about these three options. Sam's Logan, by the way, who've been was it's not at that meeting. And don't say anything that you can't say because the county is your client, and you're talking about the county study. But we we've definitely the the folks that were at that meeting said, see, we'd like to see to narrow this down to two options instead of one. And option one was the least favored. Is that except for this meeting, is that public knowledge? I don't know the answer to that. Everything's going up in the air right now. I I mean, not putting things down. Is everything in the air?

Right now, I think all of these are on the table. Nothing has been formally removed. I will say from conversations that we've been having broadly, option one is not a preferred alternative for a range of reasons, one, from an operations perspective, and two, from an accessibility perspective from what we've heard loud and clear on both the South Valley and the broader Cache County surveys. We think that people want something closer to home. And so that that, I think, is a big hesitancy for option one.

Plus it would require the county to add a new I'm using their words. Right? Mhmm. New department make new staff that they don't have. We can argue about whether this is a proper function for a county level service or not. But we've heard even in the steering committee. I think there was a hesitation from the county to say we're gonna solve those problems on account worker basis. Now I said too much. You're nodding your head. Is that a you mean agree?

I you what what you are expressing, I think, is what I heard. But, again, that is a limited representation from the county. So we'll we need to take this through the process. But I think option two and three from the discussions that we've been having are more in line with what is more viable within the county.

And this is a recommendation from a contractor to do a feasibility study. In the end, it'll come down to the county council.

Correct.

And similarly, with Nuuly's feasibility study or whatever that might turn into, it will come down to a county council sorry, a city council or a number of city councils starting the process at least.

Correct. And that's that's sort of where you guys are right now. Right? You're in an interesting and an exciting place where as a city, Nibley has made a commitment to start forming or start the work to form a recreation district. Correct?

Nibley City United done that. The city council has started that process. It's a long process if you all are interested. The first thing that happens in fact, the South Ashe County School District exists. It exists in the municipal actually, the potential for it exists in the limited to the jurisdiction of Nibley. So

That's South Cache Hill Recreation.

Sorry. It's a recreation district.

Okay. Good. I was like, this is you're starting your own school district?

Sounds good. Let's do it. Then there's, like, process. So the first thing that would happen the next thing that would happen for Nibley's efforts is to in order to create a special service district, there'll be an advertised public hearing where the council will hear from people about pluses and minuses of forming this district. And then there's a long period of time when people can protest the formation of the special service district, the bar is pretty high to stop it at that point. So then this the Nibley City Council could actually create history. However, if it just stays as Nibley, the taxing authority will lie solely with Nibley City Council, which is we we don't need a district to do that. We have a city to do that. If it goes beyond the police boundaries to include other communities, then there has to be a referendum of voters to elect the board that has taxing authority. And if the board wants to build something, it doesn't have any money to build it. There's another referendum to to the citizens inside the the district to borrow money forged building debt.

And so okay. I was just gonna say, as I understand it now, you all are in discussions with neighboring communities to see if anybody else is interested in and or willing to jump in and and help pursue this recreation district more broadly on the South Side Of the Valley.

And I'm happy to bring you committee members up to date on that, at least with two communities, Hiram and Wellsville. So I have lobby Stephanie Miller to put the the mayor of Hiram to put the same thing on a city council. Hiram city council meeting that the Nibley city council has done, start the process that would enable Hiram to join Nibley in a special service district for recreation. Stephanie said, we're gonna wait and see what the county does. And then I sent her Whitney's presentation on that you have all just seen about where the county may or may not go, but that's where the mayor of Hireup is. Now there's just like with the city council, there's there you can outflank the mayor by by talking to council members to get something out of the agenda. The discussion with Wellsville immediately so I talked to John Wells, the city manager. She had most recently talked to John, and they're willing to put it on a city council, but it's more, like, for information. Well, how what is it gonna be? How much is it gonna cost? And what's it gonna have? And we're in a way fighting, you know, a chicken and egg problem because we can't answer any of those questions until we know how big and who's involved in this group. So it's it's a little bit of an iterative process. I'm going to continue to say, hey. Let's have a how about in your city, you have a big citywide meeting, do a public advertisement about welcoming people's input, and let the council decide whether you start this process, which means they need to stop the same resolution that the Nibley City Council has. It doesn't create a district. It just starts the process and it starts the conversation and allows dissent and lets people, you know, speak to that. But let's say, bodies kinda just let things you know? They don't have a right to be pushing them in as hard as we get to manipulate. Mhmm. They don't understand.

They don't have much time. And it's complicated

by an election year. So, you know, we could talk about whether it's best to do this before a municipal election or after an old municipal election. I'm not trying to take over your presentation, Wendy. Just given the latest efforts, I'm trying to pull out of meetings into this into this special service district.

No. You're you're right in line with what I wanted to talk about or wanted you to talk about, honestly. And so the the last thing that, Chad and I have been talking about is where are we in the process with the Nibley project? And we're right in that chicken and egg where we are ready to get going on looking at concepts and sites, but we don't necessarily want to do that until we maybe know who's interested in being a part of the rec district so that they feel like they can have some buy in to the conversation. Now that may change if you guys feel like you're not getting, the commitments that you want from other communities and you wanna continue to move forward with a concept that's specific to Nibley City, then we would be happy to do that as well. But right now, the discussions as we've been having them are, let's see who else is interested. And if they are interested and they do commit, let's bring them to the table to be a part of that concept development and site selection

process. Yeah. And when when we eventually form up this special service, because we would go with the assumption it's more than just in this city, you know, then there's that referendum vote. And it's an up or down vote of the citizens to elect the board with tax aid and power. So the strategy I think is, well, don't talk to the councils into doing something in the special service district to get it started. Unless you think that citizen, you're behind in on survey data that we have, that's that's a good bet. But still, you know, it's a good bet. We define the the status is we get the district form or the county takes care of it either way. And then we either elect a board that can tax the assistance of the district. Not in the county's case because that already exists, the county council. But if the county's gonna build something, they're gonna have to borrow money and just like the special service, have to borrow money. So that success is to get to that point, in my opinion. That's what we're shooting for.

I agree.

And that's all I had. By the way, we're gonna have a public hearing. I think it's I think it's not three weeks, but it's about four weeks from tomorrow. I would guarantee to ask the systems and interview whether we should do it for the special service. And I won't pretend to tell you what you should say, you know, what committee you're on so I can guess. Public hearings are not just about showing up to complain. Public hearings should also support people that show up with opinion about we think you're on the right track. Certainly, the city council were

Yes. His interest is valid as knows. And if you all have connections,

I'll explain with the councils. I think that's about to that. They they no. I don't know. Where is it? How big is it? Don't

be it. But in each of minutes, it'll be bigger.

Yeah. It'll be bigger. And, hopefully, box this amount of survey says people that survey says. That's a group. Okay. That would be a and then find the the location that would serve the special service district depending on who's in it. Now people can join special service district once it's created, by the way. Get in and do it after the fact. But we need to we need to find a critical ask here

if it's at home. And well done to get the ball rolling within the valley. So you guys are doing a lot of the heavy lifting by being out in front of it.

Do you maybe do you have any idea on when when you will make the recommendation to the county council, and then who knows what they would do with that recommendation. But if we get a we're gonna wait and see what the county does. We might have to have a plan to deal with waiting for the county.

Yeah. I think that we're going to it's gonna be at least three months out. There's some work that needs to be done in terms of, stakeholder engagement, community engagement, a more valid voter based survey, to complete those sort of recommendations before the final goes back to the county.

Yes. Okay. And while it seems like we're a long way from the 2026, referendum possibility, we need to be getting stuff done in order to get on to a ballot in Yep.

Yep. People would like to know what they're voting for even if it's just an idea.

Yeah. I think this is a long, long, obsessive trade side of the district.

Excellent. Any other questions or thoughts?

Nathan, you have anything for us? It's not my show, but you have anything to say in here, sorry? 378.

I believe the public hearing's October 16.

Right.

And we as a city need to keep being the leaders and moving this forward. I what and to get everyone on board. But I think that was all well said already. So

Erin? Yeah. Anyone else? Whitney, I'm not taking over your and sorry. Again, well, I'm not taking location.

Yeah. No. It's it's been again, it's been really interesting to work on the projects and see where where they're starting to kind of connect.

So it's it's been good. And thank you guys for having me and for your time. For the county because they at least know where the county is. Yeah. So There's still options to divide the county, but at least they can say, well, these are the county boundaries. We don't know if you've done this.

We don't have that much power.

Good. Yeah.

I know I know there's been a a lack of success, I guess, in getting some of the other communities other than Wellsville and Hiram interested. But is is have there been any discussions of trying to get this in front of the other communities, Providence, River Heights?

We in folks. But, yeah, and then then branch out. They're Robinson said, we'll watch you for the one. So we said, yeah. We'll see how close we'll get this done. Then I changed her mind. Melville hasn't shown any of this. They have other other things to do. They might finish the sewer

and I I just don't Finish the server.

Server instead.

I'll have to oh, I'll report. Okay. Few £100. You can be brief at meeting for Sounds good.

So is there any more discussion for us? Anyone wanna comment on the past, like, on the on the three options? And I would say option two is probably that's for me. I I would say option two. Can I

if anyone have any to say it pretty much aligns with what previous discussion on that? Yes. Yes. And I

Without Not that I I just like. But I think I am writing writing between three versus two. It's just thing. Yeah. So three. And Logan still has access. It still has that ten to fifteen minute time access even with just two. If it's option two or three, at that point, then does the county exit that conversation? Is it the South Valley?

That's creating Yes.

But we could create the South Valley without the North creating a North Valley. Right? Right. So even option two would still result in on the South.

Exactly.

Yes. The the only difference would be whether or not some of Logan City residents are a part of your district or not. That's the big delta. And, ultimately, as the county grows, honestly, it's likely that there are gonna be three recreation centers that are gonna be well supported within the county. But, the the question between two and three right now is what's the tax base for the South Valley, and does it include households from Logan or not?

And perhaps whether Logan is going to this, like, their town institute.

So that's what you're gonna say. We'll see what happens today. I can't imagine Logan very I got it. And even even in November,

I know that there'll be a big enough change

to get them displayed. Like, I I think we're probably realistically talk about. I do too. I I do. I often do better, but Yeah. It may happen. It helps with a little bit explain. It helps us with an attack deal. Yeah. It helps us with an axe pad, but it doesn't it brings up all of the complications that had to deal with Logan plus the complication of half of Logan. Yeah. It's just.

So I'll just I'll just throw out here that one of the great things about what we've proposed, at least what Nubly City has made a public, resolution for is that these communities can can can carve themselves into pieces. Right? And so Logan Logan has the ability, and the citizens have the the right to then say, yeah. We like the split at 30, and we're cool with being part of of the South or being part of the North. But then those citizens get to vote on whether they support the way the boundaries are drawn up. But the boundaries do not have to follow completely the city boundaries. They can they can divide themselves where they need to. So I think that that's what I like about the flexibility and us just moving forward and pushing forward because as the mayor said, other communities can join as they need to and and decide what those boundaries need to be, but we need to get other communities to start doing that.

We can divide the unincorporated part of Cass County as well. Right? Mhmm. The option two or three includes unincorporated parts of the county. Not a huge population, but there's a a strong engine bin just outside of

paradise symptoms. And the

other thing is as two or three sort of work their way through, if option three is the recommended option, again, with this study, we can also plan for growth. Right? So we can plan what we can afford today based off of today's population base, and we can plan to be able to expand that facility as the community grows and dollars become available in the future as well.

So and I think that's Kaylee with me. Thanks for yeah. I think no matter what, we're not gonna get everybody on the boat, no matter how good the job we do, there's gonna be folks that are gonna say, yeah. We'll wait and see what happens. Nobody will say, wow. We wanna be one of the cool kids too.

Registration comes from.

Yeah. I know when CVTD was formed, they talked to everybody, at least kind of in the urban core in Wellsville said, yeah. We're out. And every everyone else from Richmond to Hiram said we're in, they somehow got everyone to

agree. No. No.

Right. But I'm just saying it it could be it could be one community. It could be multiple communities that say, yeah. We're we're good. We don't we don't wanna do it.

Yeah. It can have. It's not like the the requirements on that. A city that we can't create city islands.

And I apologize. I've gotta jump off you guys. Thank you for your time. Thanks, Annie. Thanks. Have a good night.

Right? Where do you get other communities involved? Try to define a and then talk about what is it, where is it, how much does it cost? We can't go to the voters without those clearly defined, and no one votes for.

I don't know. Yeah. We have some.

Blank check.

Yes.

This is great.

Okay. I think we covered number five.

What what's the well known thing? So Yes. Eve

Yeah. The mayor. I said, if you want me to be back there. So it's excuse me, the 2020 census? I'm just comparing what the area may look like. So right here. So yeah. Like like, everything that, like, Larry and Rosario was talking about, that's really what covered those other slides. But Chad also had this to just kinda have a little bit of a visual of what that could look like if we were to get some of these other communities that are on the South End that we could serve

So we need a little in comparison. East Wyvern. So if we stop that one Mhmm. Yeah. That's in East.

Yep. So you got Nibley. Correct. Yeah. So Nibley, Millville, Higher And Paradise, Wellsville, Mendon, Providence River Heights. Exactly. Yep. About a third. So for each. Yeah. So yeah. So just this is a visual, and then just additional information that already covers both.

K.

Perfect. Thank you. Number six is that this discussion and consideration of recreation and election season, exploring if and how recreation, including indoor food or should be a political discussion point for candidates and constituents inside and including appropriate action steps for committing the vote.

So

the election's coming. We've kinda taken our some of us have taken action items to reach out to different communities. So do we make it a political discussion point? Do we encourage, like, mil mil? Do you talk with Darcy and be like, hey. Maybe anyways, I don't know. I know I just read that. Any

any suggestions? I I can speak a little bit. Chad gave me a little bit of a briefing with this. So, hopefully, I can do it justice. But was I got a couple slides just to show what he was explaining to me with that. So the first thing is just he just, like, recapping, and Caitlin can also speak to this because she was there with this with Founders Day in Wellsville. Excuse me. And just like Caitlin already mentioned earlier, like, it was really good. Like, there's a lot of involvement, especially sounds like after Caitlin had left. Right? But but, no, like, there are several, like, great support from the city council from Wellsville to help out with that, to be accommodating, lot of community involvement, just asking about it. And it really came down to what Larry had mentioned as well about wanting to know some of these answers. Right? Like, where is it gonna be? You know, when? What's the cost? All these types of things, which kinda can't answer right now until we kinda have a are you with us or you're not type of a thing. Like, who's in the boat? And that's just kinda what Chad was bringing up, for example, in this next slide is that there's all these different meet the candidate opportunities. And the point that Chad is explaining is we could maybe use this as an opportunity to communicate with individuals that are in those communities that we know. That if it's something they're interested up, to encourage them to go to their these Meet the Candidate nights and ask them about it. Like, where do they stand on it? So that they can also make an educated and informed decision on who they're gonna vote for and if it's somebody that may champion this or not. And so that's in a very small nutshell and not as good a job as Chad could have done. That's kinda just what he's wanting to bring up with this and just kind of that perspective of an opportunity we might have here.

Yeah. And, I mean, Nibali is on the list for a reason. Right. Right? This is the the Nibali council has done has started the process, but there's some question coming up.

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I think that there's there's good information to be found in NITP in terms of this selection on this topic.

Luke, do you mind saying what your thoughts are on this?

So I responded to the survey. I'm I'm for you know, we have a membership at Sports Academy. It's where I like to work, but it's inconvenient because, like, like, you know, things outside of town. But a little bit like the product center, it's nice for a couple of months out of the year. But, you know, one of the things we have is the earnings to the 25. I could be brave if there was something else. It would be the center of it. That is an actual fence

that will always provide opportunity for them.

Now I think the selling point to that is people understand how to pay more for the policy. You know? So you you it's you're very afraid. You're gonna nail down with the cost of it. This is you can tell me. And even if it's a scaled pack tracking system, you'll pull out of the pack and build it and maintain it and grow it by wherever it may be. So I just think that's a selling point. And, you know, especially in data, we're talking about the pandemic. I know we've talked about this area. You know, the small neighborhoods kinda give you less areas to to

Yeah. I can report on my action as well. I think it kinda ties in. You've already got to meet candidates. I've already determined that. I did talk to Daniel Grange as well, Ryan Zollinger, who's not up for election, but also got some feedback from him on why they didn't push the survey. And it was I've talked to Danny and Ryan separate, and I talked to them together. I talked to Darcy briefly. They wanted to review the question because they felt like too many surveys were tailored to where questions are words with whoever's whoever's putting out a survey is tailored to to receive or to have the answers that are designed. It's a bias. Yeah. Yeah. It's self selected. So, yeah, that's kinda what they did out by. People are doing people stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's not enough options of of holes in the certain so they just they fell at least those two felt that and they've been able to be part of deciding what this question might look like, that they even want to push it more. Dan mentioned, hey. Leave me on limited government, no access, and I I kinda got sent to the I mean, that's hardly enough. The negative feeling towards, you know, towards the city government. Dan said himself talking about I tried I tried to get an idea of the two that are running for mayor. One is reelection, and I didn't get a good sense of that. But Dan even confirms that Darcy would be the one that's more in in favor of indirect. And then another comment was made as maybe sitting in a push for candidacy because of that. And I I don't I don't think that's what we can. You know? So

We we can and I told them Yeah. You gotta be careful with that. Damn. Don't do that.

Everybody get

ask questions. Yeah.

So but then he rather than I talked to him. Not Yeah. And I think that's and I told him it's more so the for the connection that we had with Neil Miller and Thomas who can't help. We can't sway their But you did. Stokes and Jeff have to be 45 times about being involved in the sign sign. Right? No. That's right. No.

That was more Ryan.

Okay. Ryan is very much feels like it should be Ryan in the email of the source academy and if the market drive it the market demand better than, you know, so and it should be private. But but there are some discussion about probably coming back, some of the PPP that we're talking about. So made some connections there and and some discussions and got that information which should be easier. I think that pretty well covers it.

For me, though,

I think I don't know the other two, I think. And I didn't get a good feeling for the the mayor as well as the one that joined.

River Heights doesn't have a meet the candidate, so the question mark can go away. There's no election. They don't it's unopposed. So Who's the winner? It's Blake. Right? He's appointed after Jay. Jason. Yeah. He was on council.

Mendon,

that's not a wise meeting file. Oh, there you go. It's probably a wife. Yeah.

Someone moves on. We will be on.

Do they find the people even filled their their council?

One of my friends.

The last conversation I had with them, they were concerned about if they didn't be able to have a seat belt. Because they weren't gonna fill all the seats. That would be, like, 50% of mail bills is is new candidates and 50% is is between.

So do we need any kind of action items with this information? Do we need to be attending these meetings at candidate nights? Anyways, I know you guys are just waiting to volunteer to do more volunteer work. I just need I have a cup, and I should bring it every time that says like it is funny. Yeah. I know. No. I'm just gonna remind me to not volunteer.

I think that I mean, it it is I'm not a political analyst, but if I if I was if the Nibley mayor of election, then cancel the movie again. I if I put myself in the dispute, I mean, it's in one hand, a candidate, like, may do better if they just don't thoroughly state what they want to do. Most people. On the other hand, would be nice, I think, as a candidate to distinguish yourself and say what you you know? I mean, I know what you guys did to me four years ago. Right? And I actually felt maybe it's my fault. I felt a little bit caught off guard when you said, well, will you build us an indoor rec center? And I said, no. Because I don't have that authority. I will do my best to create a good proposal that will let the citizens of Nibley. Now it could be the citizens of the special service district, but build a local, but it can be good about decisions made. And and so if you let me, Kendall, I think my suggestion for you guys is to not go to directly to candidates outside of Nibley. This is just my just my feeling. Because they will say, you're not even voting in the election that I'm in. Why are you bugging me? However, I think that you all represent a powerful network as you have, you know, kids that are involved and they so if you can, like, generate an inner team out in in Ash County for this idea, I think that's where where where you all could could help.

Friends, family. I know you mentioned how how many of us are in how many group meetings, and so it can be just they get involved, but we can't just one of these four cities.

Yeah. And you'll even have to tell people that you're not filled. Say have you talked about indoor rent bin? Have that stuff in.

I think for a lot of people, just discussing something out loud helps to formulate an idea that is probably already there, but we'll formulate without the discussion. It's it's hard to live in cash value for more than one winter without having at least some thoughts in here.

Two or three winters ago?

Last one or what? Yeah. Right? It's already it's getting good. It's getting good. It's getting good. It's getting good. It's getting good. Thanks, mother nature.

So I almost feel like we can get a sense of what the communities like, the candidates if we had that question at the meeting candidates, what's your feeling on indoor rec with but maybe from one of their own citizens and not necessarily us. So, like, I know people in Millville. I know people in Providence and people in Midway. But, like, if if we knew people that, hey. Would you be willing to go here or I'll go with you and ask this question? And that way, they're all answering it, and one of us is there to then report that. Maybe he hasn't actually I would probably say with the lady.

But talking to friends before, say, hey. Hey. Bring this up. Going to listen.

Absolutely. Maybe. Not not like, just going to listen to the answers. Like, you're not putting your you don't come to meet the candidates and not say a word and not even write your name there. We just go list the answers. It's the next meeting and to name on script. Yes. Right. Questions are written on this. If not, put in a basket. A question? Yeah. There you go. Let's put your name on this.

I'm gonna track here.

You counsel.

I am not.

It says Cheryl.

Submit questions to Cheryl. You gotta email Cheryl. I need a QR code, but

hey. There's some there's some there's some caveat.

I'm not available. Anyone? I can plant the seeds as the mobile boats. Maybe they ask the place to send that questions.

Here we go. I do not see as many questions

for me. Spring Creek.

Yeah. Do we need to have ours in a bigger? Yeah. Yeah. Bridgeline, Spring Creek.

So our city, are on YouTube, and you didn't expect it reached. So then probably would mean the Canvas be the same. Yeah. And it doesn't do all city apps data? No. To do that if they want.

So I highly recommend watching it in real time. Let's say if you feel like two x. We got Yeah.

You you can go to your question.

Any meeting. Any meeting. Yeah.

If they if we if we can get those quite well, we've already gotten questions in the hiring list. If we can get the question in the other two days, and then we can review those meetings just to kinda get a feel of where we can have influence. Maybe? I don't know. You guys could say no and take them on.

Well, the bottom line is we will give you the right answer on this because this direct your process. Right? We will. It's not a matter of lobby. I mean, we need to make a sales pitch. We need to have a proposal that makes sense. We need people to get excited about it. We can do all those things completely within legal and within our spirit of law, you know, to do that. But in the end, this is a direct diplomacy question so that people will decide if they're able to pay more taxes. So that's kinda cool. I don't know if it was to say about the ticket clients of the people. So

Anything else? Nope. Alright. Moving on. Committee member. The courts. Nope. K. Number eight, discussion of the integration of action items. Hayden, did we have have any new action items? We don't believe so unless we want one for talking to to go to.

We don't assume what we're talking about. Yeah. That's just part of

That's right. So just the the moving ones for you. Perfect. Our next meeting is October 22. And then the one on November, we'll be early because of Thanksgiving. And at Christmas, we don't have a meeting because it and then there's the the Christmas party for the city is gonna produce a rate. To know, November 19, I will be out of town. So Josh, he gets me out of time. Good. Or if you're you said that day, you can actually use the wrestling.

Wrestling is in full swing.

So Yeah.

What is it?

So if if your availability on the nineteenth becomes questionable, let Chad know because if there's not gonna be a form that there's not gonna be a meeting. I'm not saying he's not, but if you are. Okay. I'm expecting to close with you. What?

What do you think?

John motions to close with me. Do I have a second? Oops. Michael, say hi. In your post. Hey. 08:30. Thank you.

Hey, Chad told me this.