Nibley City Council- 10/16/2025

>> This is pink, chair of the plan, chairman of commission. So we had a joint meeting last meeting um for the US presentation. Um and afterwards the only thing really I wanted to bring up was we did do another workshop on the R2A open space neighborhood and that um had some good discussion and I think or I'm hoping during this next meeting which is this week we can get get more finalized with a recommendation to the council there. So that's something we're continuing to work on um and hope we're hoping to have complete like I said for a recommendation so very soon. So, um if there's anything else u specific to that workshop or anything in general, please just um council, I'm going to ask you to spend the rules just for a minute because I have this certificate of appreciation staring at me that I was going to share during the public comment period and I got involved in listening to the other stuff. So, I'm going to ask you to suspend the rules to reopen the public comment period for about 30 seconds. Is there is there uh consent to do so? Okay, I'll do I will do that. So, uh this is a certificate of appreciation from project valor. You remember project valor needed to have a modification to their conditional use permit at the trailer park to accommodate veterans housing. Project valor was added. Well, first of all, that conditionally permitted modification was made by the council and um I was very impressed with the interaction the council had of listening and people that came to listen to what's going on uh with that proposal. So, thank you for that uh from me. And then also you added project valor which again is about providing transition housing for veterans from active duty into uh on active duty. Added project valor to our community support our our community uh partners list. So thank you for that. And they held a 5K as a fundraiser. Um, I got to explain the public hearing process to the people that were more anxious probably to run the race to listen to me. I was brief and so project would like to give this to the city in appreciation for your help on their project. >> Do that and that will put us back on the amended agenda. Thanks for letting me do that. Okay. Uh, so that takes us to number we said 6.1 meant 5.1. >> We meant 5.1. So with with council's consent we'll go to 5.1 with 1200 west traffic. Call me. Thank you. You and there are questions that were asked. I know you're taking notes uh during public comment period. If they get answered during discussion, we'll do that. If they don't, I'll try to bring us back to those. >> I can just take us really just really briefly. We had a little bit of discussion about what you guys wanted to see at this workshop. So, we weren't exactly sure what to prepare as staff. So, we're happy to answer any questions or dive deeper into anything that you guys would like us to. We didn't repair or repair a slideshow or anything, but we just did want to mention uh since the last discussion about this, we were given the year and we were told it was okay to make minor adjustments and things. So, we just wanted to go over what we have done as staff to the street since that meeting took place. And real quickly, we did put we added additional tapered ends to try to open up visibility at the intersection, specifically at the crosswalks. Now, there's tapered end on the protection wall in both directions. So, that was the first thing. Uh, we did go ahead and install reflectors. We've had some not the greatest luck in the world of those sticking and staying on, but we tried to put some reflectivity on the wall. And if those they're basically stickers, if they're if they don't end up working for us on top, we may have to, you know, add some stuff on the side and try to maybe screw them in or some things. But, we did try to put some reflectivity on the wall. We'll continue to monitor that and make sure that that stayed in place. We painted very clear stop bars back near or out of the negotiated space mayor likes to call it just to make it very clear where cars should be stopping. We painted the edges of the mountable islands with reflective white uh paint and that's something we'll have to continue and maintain. It doesn't last for ever. So, we'll keep doing that to make sure that there's reflectivity on those little islands as well. Let's

uh we have conducted some speed studies and have some data on the traffic in that area. And just as a it was already mentioned, we did make some minor adjustments in phase five construction with those mountable islands. We held them. They're not quite as high as they were before or 4 in instead of six. And we've also slid them back to try to line the toe of the island up with the protection wall. And so those are really the changes that we've made since the last meeting. So other than that, we're just happy to have any be part of any discussion that you would like and answer any questions that we made. >> Okay. Thank you, Jeff. Tom, do you have anything to add to that or just be available comment during the workshop? It might be interesting or it might be useful to know where we are with base five. There was a lot of comment near Firefly states. So they just poured those concrete islands this morning. They pou the infill around their we curb area. So right now they're all tented up. There's barriers everywhere. So it is very narrow, much more narrow than than once it gets open. I my measurement was about 25 ft between the that's about 12 1/2t lanes which is pretty normal. It's a the travel lanes are actually 11 ft so there's a bit more room between those ones and they're a lot shorter like Justin said. Um the barrier should be complete this week and then the striping isn't in place yet. There's there's the bike lane that's striped. So none of the the lane delineation is in place yet. That's supposed to happen tomorrow with weather. We've been pushed back about 15 days with weather and some other construction items. So we're a little bit further behind than we thought we'd hoped. We'd hoped it would be done by now, but it's going to be another two two and a half weeks till we get there. So I I am here for with any questions I can though. >> Great. say two afterwards. Does that mean till but it's opening and you're will be working on it or will be closed for a few weeks? >> So the the north south travels they'll be closed. They're going to open at park to >> so east west travel will stop but that intersection will be enough for that east west. >> Is it too early to share speed data or >> No, I have that. We take we've done two speed studies. Um let's see. We it's it's averaging between 33 and 38 on the 85th percentile speed. That that's that means 85% of the cars are doing 38 or less. The maximum speeds measured were between 73 and 56 miles an hour. What we found was as toward the ends where the barriers aren't in place, the speeds were much more excessive than where they were in place, if that makes sense. So these are on the on the tail ends where right now it's unfinished that it's in the phases that we're working on right now. So, and it could have been a random motorcycle or something as well, but um on at 2500 South right in the middle of everything, it was 56 miles an hour, but toward the upper end, it was 74. So, another thing that I looked into was crash data. There's roughly four crashes over a 5year period along the corridor. In 2020, there was only >> 1,200 west. >> Did I say 1200 West? You just said the corridor, right? >> 2600. Yeah, the 1200 West corridor. Sorry. So, in 2020, there was a an injury accident at 2800 South. In 2021, there were two accidents, both with injuries, one at 2980 South and one at 2800 South. And then there was one injury or excuse me, there was one accident at 2980 South in 2025. And that was after we opened everything and but there was no injuries. So that I don't know if that makes any sense that there were the other three accidents were injury involved and this one once those traffic caling measures were in there's no injury. That might be something to consider. Just a clarification on that. So the accidents in 21 were those vehicle or vehicle pedestrian? I was only looking at vehicle. Okay. Those were just all those numbers were just vehicle. That's the only thing. I'm going to put you on the spot. This is really not directly related, but maybe as close as we get to a controlled experiment on some of this stuff. Do you happen to have vehicle speeds on 1200 west south of 3200? >> I haven't asked for that. And this is a workshop. >> I do have some and my recollection it was in the 45 mph range if you remember it was probably two years ago I did that speed and and we reduced the speed down from 50 to 40. >> Right. So if I remember correctly it was right around 40 45 by mon workshop but we don't have any speed data prior to the installations that is currently like you right like it's we have qualitative but we don't have something similar here right >> not really it was it was virtually a half row there was no there was Nothing's there. It's down the way that that's finished out right now. >> It was not a through road. The council knows what this is done. This has been on CMP for a long time. It's going to connect iron to the cash low building cash air 210 which it's going to be a straight shot or a curvy shot. >> Okay. Uh there was I guess a question about snow removal. We did have snow removal in the initial phases. If you guys want to address that so that the public that >> Yeah. So I actually get to clear snow through those walls and down the bike lane. The bike lanes are wide enough to run a pickup truck. I run a John Deere little yard tractor. It's kind of bigger than we see a mower, but I get to clear all those things through. It took a little bit of practice, but I'm learning every piece of equipment. >> Okay. >> I never I really had driven that thing before. So, I'm learning at the same time as I was >> about um snow removal and the complication of the mountable curves. >> Yeah, that I'm using that tracking >> using that on that on the mountable curbs. Yeah, the crosswalks, the the negotiated space, the curbs, everything. >> Yes. >> Okay. And >> we we tried other pieces of equipment. I think they had a K Cabota out there. Those kids get here type of hand. I think that was just a little too too big of a piece of equipment. This this green John Deere seems to be working good for that. The plows were able to fit through the once the mountables and through the street and push it through without any issues. >> They use >> the snow plows. They were able to plow through all of that. I mean, you did the bulbs and the walkways, but the roadways, regular snow plow was able to go through. >> Yeah. The first storm I read that they cut through the bowl, the first bulbs, I think they clipped one. They made some adjustments and it's been okay. Can I just clarify? Tom does that for fun, not because he has to. It's a high paid. I mean, it's all hands when it gets the snow. >> Licensed public licensed engineer out whatever whatever it takes to get the job done. I think if I'm not there, I'm here playing on the sidewalks around city hall. >> Yeah, I help do the ones out here, too. It snows. street. You talked about this briefly a month or so ago after our neighborhood being brought out about that east west crossing for school where this is a true street. What is the plan for crossing east and west on the Negley Park Avenue? >> Yeah. >> Um the the plan is just the crosswalk. Um we haven't gotten into the big details like like you're asking. There's that hasn't been through. So there's not enough traffic data to really analyze it. In order to get a a school safe crosswalk, it has to meet certain conditions. There's got to be at least 10 kids in that crosswalk. It has to be on a SNAP plan, which is developed by the principal of the school. And there there's a couple other minor things, too, but there is no that's not shown on a SNAP plan. >> Uh SNAP means >> it's a safe routes to school plan. It's every principal of the public schools works with this with UD do to develop a SNAP plan. They they update it every year. There's supposed to be some public input. There's supposed to be some involvement with the community and law enforcement and community panels and things. There's a process to get that accomplished. Not saying that it can't, but it it to be able to put a school safe crosswalk in it, does need to meet those conditions. Matter of fact, the state mandates that you remove them if they if through further studies that they don't meet those conditions. Say boundaries change or fewer kids are using that crosswalk, you're supposed to remove those from your your uh crossing. So from the crossing we did right here, by Park, is that considered a safe school crossing or is that just something? >> It is not. So if you'll notice, a school safe crossing is one that looks like piano keys. They're parallel with the travel lanes. The ones down there, we shifted them to make them high visible then, but we put them diagonally and then we put the stop bar on either end. The effort there was to make it more visible because that just a long wide road. We just wanted to bring some some uh attention to that crossing. Amazing. Was that something we can consider on 12 West? >> For sure. Yeah, for sure. Does the snap plan also feed and snap process safe routes to school also feed into the decision uh regarding crossing guards? So crossing guards are a little different. Um it does need to be a school safe crossing and then you have to do a study and basically based on the number of it's called gap time between vehicles. There should be enough gap time for a person to clear a lane and not have to worry about a car. So, it's through study and measurements and timings and things. It takes a little while, >> but it's possible we can study it once once the traffic stops. >> Okay. >> And and that's how we got that reduced speed school zone on the younger ones. If you remember the the tragic impact with the pedestrian, but that we responded and we started studying that and we were right on the cusp of not qualifying, but through some engineering judgment and some uh meetings with some peers, we're able to determine that it did meet it and we put the flashing yellow slow 20 mph or so. Certainly flags like we've done at Heritage Elementary don't require all that. The orange flags. >> Yes, please. >> Yeah. I heard people in the public comment mention or ask if there was a think you made a four-way stop. I wonder if you could just talk to like what's what are some of the processes behind considering stop signs a two-way versus a four-way stop. And >> that was a great question. So the MEC city is a manual of uniform traffic control devices and it basically governs how you how you and and control traffic both temporary during construction as well as permanently. So the the default method is you put a yield sign or no sign at all and then through study again based on the number of vehicles in one direction or the other then you can determine if one direction or the other stop sign and then through further study and delay and it's all gap and delays and things you would study that again and determine if there's a four-way stop. Again, we don't have enough data because it hasn't gone all the way through, but this being on the the master plan, the regional transportation plan as a as a primary corridor, it was determined in the design to switch the sign from north south to east, west, south. Tom, do you mind this where we got funding to pay for a lot of this road? is that part of it to have it through this stuff. >> Yeah. So, and Justin will have to confirm the financials, but in phase three, four, and the five, which is currently under construction, we're right in the $4 to5 million range for the total construction cost. The roundabout of 3,200 South was phase one and two, and I believe that was another three or four three million. So, I just lost track of what my house was. 8 7 8 million. >> Most of that came from the council of governments. The city came up with 8% of that to do the road. The the council of governments through state sales tax on excuse me state gas tax. Some of that's distributed to the county and then we compete for those funds and and help build the road. >> Yeah. I I'll make a minor correction. The Council of Governments makes recommendations to the Cash County Council to fund transportation projects. And the revenue source is a voter approved 2007 quarter of a percent sales tax, local option sales tax. So there's gas tax for BNC roads, but the the council of government's recommendation, we're going through that story right now actually uh to figure out what to do. This year is at an all-time high in part because we went to twoear cycle on funding so it's averaged about $7 million a year 2000s and this year it's 17 million. But that's that's where the funding came from. It's that voter approved local option sales tax uh to implement the le transportation plan. And so to that point, just how important this road is to other governments that they're willing to spend that much money on they didn't get to go through. >> Yeah. and it's been on the hash metropolitan planning organizations master transportation plan for about 30 years. I mean that's when I that's when I sort of got involved in this mess of local governments. It's been on there for that long. It's been on the city transportation plan for that entire time. It's it's it's a road that um is viewed as a a way to first of all um mitigate congestion in Logan on Main Street because it gives people a way to get onto 10 West and travel in a north south route that's parallel to Main Street. Wasn't part of that funds too with the bike path and and the didn't we get extra we get extra points for active transportation though and therefore u higher scoring bigger chance of being we weren't funded for all that would get up to 8 9 million to 7 to 9 million >> it took us a couple tries to amendment a few tries and they council governments recommended it in phases but um starting at 3200 south and moving north. >> All right. Um, I heard one comment Rick mentioned he saw a car instead of going to the middle intersection turning skirt the island and go the other side of it. I'm wondering if you've heard any other incidences of this happening and if we have a like what are our thoughts do we have a plan to help try and mitigate that or get cars to teach the correct way to do it if it's confusing or >> so there was a couple of um we could even do one of two scenarios that I'm on the tail end of south end of the phase 3 four the bike lane ended and there was two or three barriers and it looked like a lane that you would date. I I think we had barriers and people kept moving them so they could actually use that as a turn lane. Um now those barriers are they should be complete with this this phase. So I think people may still be using those. The other one that that it may be is the distance between the the concrete bulbs and the sidewalk or excuse me the crosswalk. So between the barrier and the bulb, there may be enough room for someone to come through there. We could put ballisters or something >> a ballard that could block people from doing that. That kind of scares me though because someone hitting that really do some damage in a vehicle. >> Is a ballard candlestick looking? >> So ballard is is probably an 8 inch round diameter steel casing. You sink it into the ground and fill it with concrete. So it It doesn't move, >> right? >> We could do a candlestick. >> We could do a candlestick, too. We could do a delineator. There there's plenty of options for >> But the the ones that we use, people kept moving them. >> In this new phase, when the bull valves been moved back, would they eliminate that by moving those bulls back when you touched? I still think there's room between there to allow for the crosswalks going east. So that it's about the same narrowness as what would be if there was a car waiting to, you know, queue in queued up in that intersection. There's just the same amount of room for someone to go in between the bulb and the and the barrier in some cases where the crosswalk is. comments. Eventually, we'll get to a point. >> Get ready to tell me what our next. >> Yeah. Just for sake of one of the questions I wrote down that I heard a couple of times during the meeting. U does anyone like this? And um I've had over the last year conversations where um citizens have said that they appreciate it. I think most of them are active transportation users of the space or their kids walk to school like Thomas Edison. Um some of those they have expressed to me usually more privately because there's the intimidation factor of going like the odd man out I think sometimes in public meetings. But I think I just wanted to address that. That was the other question I had is has anyone told us that they're not displeased and there has been feedback that's and and I received the same read them out but they're not here to speak and I do receive personal correspondence with folks that feel it is hard to speak out against in favor of something. Um, I I'll pontificate for a little bit. I I understand and I hear the concern about the speed of cars and I would invite any member of council to come if you don't get the opportunity to watch the speed of cars on Highway 165 on a long straight wide road that passes through Midway. a posted 45 mile mph speed limit. A tin sign, you know, is is as as you know, doesn't do anything to control the speed of cars unless you have active police patrol like every day out there citations. What controls the speed of cars is uh when drivers drivers drive at a speed that they feel safe. And I drive 45 to 48 miles an hour on 165 and it it's easy for me to tell that there are a whole bunch of cars going 65 to 70 on that 45. So as we have you learned as we look at this uh the old way of designing roads was to make them long and straight and build safety margins into those roads. But turns out that increases speeds because people feel safer and drive faster. And then certainly the severity of accidents decreases speed contributes to the severity. Um 165 I think is a great example of a long straight wide road and people go really fast on that route well beyond the 45 mph speed. I'm encouraged by a 35 mph speed study that we have so far. eventually will evol the posted speed limit to the design. Go ahead, Tom. To the design speed of 35 for Clark West. Is that correct? >> No. Yeah, that's a good point. These speed studies I referenced earlier, that was when the speed limit was posted at 25. >> Yeah, >> we recently removed the 25 mph signs and posted at 30. >> Oh, that is that was last week. >> Last week. Okay. It might have been the week before, but >> and so I would I would like to see us, again, I mentioned maybe it's as close as we can come to a controlled experiment. I'd like to see us do speed studies on 12 West south of 3200 South that don't have traffic column versus I think we have an intuitive field for that. We have an anecdotal measurement on that. the van speed studies on 12 west north of 3200 cell with the traffic flowing and see if we can see what difference we measure if any. >> Yeah. Especially with the speed limit switch. I'm super curious. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I I think with increased residential development, by the way, I think um 35 south of 3200 south is probably the appropriate speed. I know we bumped it up cuz it was more agricultural at the time, but things are building out there. So that would be again more of a okay posted 35 posted 35 with and without traffic question. >> Yes please. >> I heard me mention in public comment that he saw Bren who's a deputy also man on buses on the shoulder. wondering if we've talked with the sheriff's office about their thoughts about speed or lack there of a shoulder if that's an issue for them. Are they concerned about that? Um or we don't know if we could follow up and ask them. >> So, we have spoken to a couple of deputies. I believe I have an email from a deputy that forward to you guys a while ago. And >> this was from our discussion a year. It was a little after >> was it after? Yeah, I remember at least I we've never gotten an official statement out of the sheriff's office and I guess that's something we could do if that's something you like is to try to get a hold of but the the feedback we got from that officer was very potent. I did observe, while we're on that topic, I did observe a van that had a flat tire. They were coming southbound. They just gone through the roundabout on 2600 South. Realized they had had a flat tire. Next pulled off into the It's a new intersection that's going to serve Heritage Parkway. They pulled off there, came back later. They were changing the tire and they backed out. But so there there are sufficient pull outs every 600 feet or so. If there is a if you need to pull over for a police officer to get a ticket or a fireman, they'll you just stop in the middle of the road. They'll go around you. I I don't know that it's a huge issue. I know it's something people aren't used to because they're used to those wide shoulders so they can drive fast and look at their phones as they're driving, but it's just something different. Uh when I I was between council and mayor and learned that we were going to incorporate active transportation on Topener West and specifically a a separated bike lane, a separated bike lane. My my first concern was what do we do about the contention between cars and bicycles? at intersections when bikes between intersections are out of vehicle traffic and then oh once they're in vehicle traffic and um the mountable curves are actually a way to eliminate that intention in part because um when driving the intersections with mountable curves it eliminates the what I tall as I ride my bike, the infamous right hook. So, I'm riding my bike 20 mph on the edge of the vehicle lane. The car passes me and as soon as they pass me, they forget about me. They forget that I'm there and then make a right turn. They don't see me because I'm back here in their blind spot. They don't see me and and uh they make a righthand turn into me. the intersections the way they are uh with the malable curbs make the vehicles face the bike path as they make that right or left hand turn. So it may seem that they don't do anything. Um they are there in favor of the active transportation part of this in and out of traffic for uh bicycles and these are not experimental things that we're just trying. These have all been approved by the Federal Highway Administration. I appreciate local feedback on it. Thank you. Um but we're not we're not experimenting the case and we heard from you know the certified traffic intersection engineer during the August discussion on this um as to where the research came from and why they're built and how they're supposed to work. That's my last one. Um, I wonder if you guys could just help jog my memory. In was it June we made we made a decision to make the base five mountable islands down at 4 in and further out? Um, can you remind me what did we have conversation about the mountable islands that were already in place on both? Were we leaving those as they are? We weren't making changes to those ones. Correct. To modify them. We haven't been given that direction yet, but that's certainly something that's in the back of our mind that could happen if you would like it to >> and there was a cost estimate to doing that. And I think the council decision in that time by uh let's make those modifications to the phase five see if they're still see if they're more accepted, less accepted, still do the job, don't do the job, right? >> And do a comparison between a slightly modified knockable curve on the mid note section to the section. Is that the request

based just finishing or not quite finished? Um, in order to do a comparison between the old style, old design and the new design, we would need some time. So, I guess where I'm going with this is kind of like next steps forward. Um, I mean maybe we can have a discussion about what we feel like is an appropriate timeline to look at and compare those two different sets of demise. I just want to go drive it. Open it. So, I'm going to go drive cuz I mean that I've driven that stone bridge multiple times and and it's in the car. You still cross that medium just a little bit late and that's just in the little Honda that I have. So, uh I'm anxious to see what the new design. Soon as it's open, I'll drive it. We'll be eating a day. I'm driving a scene that helps me make that turn and feel like I can do it without crossing the mountain thoughts. >> Well, I think like all of us, we were hoping the road would be open and have some time for this meeting and it's there. I think also where we look at those look at the crossing guards and I think as soon as it's feasible to do a study do that where it's at especially where 10 to 22 kids and good priority >> I think this is engaged part of what Norm just said but um as someone who has done pickup of the school of there's definitely a lot of kids using the bus from the lesson's house all day at those pickup times. Well, they have those pick up times. Um, but as part of what just said, have we started to engage the principal in the process as well starting then and doing what what she needs to do to designate it if so that we does that make sense? Is that part of that same process? >> I it it could be for sure. I I've met with her just giving her updates on the construction activities and the closures and things. Um I haven't gotten to the point that >> hey you need to create a SNAP plan. I don't believe that that school has a SNAP plan and I I I'd have to look and see if charter schools are eligible for a SNAP plan. I don't know. >> Yeah. Well, I do some research on it. >> Right. Because if they're not eligible for a snap plan, then how how do you even go back and make an intersection? >> Exact. Exactly. Exactly. That's that's a I'll have to do some research on >> just one quick tidbit if I may. Mayor, >> please. >> Uh there was just an interesting article on KSL today. Mayor alluded to the fact that we're not the first one to try some of this stuff. So, it'd be interesting, you know, for anybody. I'm curious if anybody read this morning, saw it. It's kind of ironic that it happened this morning, but I'd encourage everybody to go, you know, go take a look at that. Go read it. >> Is this the Yeah, actually brings up a good point of like the goal, right? If if neutrality of mobility or safety is is a goal or if improvement of safety is a goal or if then the impact on behavior mobility, it it's it's good to think about like if if we do all this and we feel like we've only obtained like neutrality but it feels safer like we did the right thing. But it's interesting to think about that article. Okay. So, um there's no votes tonight on anything. This is a workshop for the discussion. I appreciate you all coming to speak to us. I appreciate the council's thoughts and comments on it. Um, I will gladly take direction from the council though about what to do on a future agenda. Yeah, it seems like it would be appropriate to bring this up on the agenda either in 3 weeks or 6 weeks. I don't know in what format, a workshop or an actionable item. I don't know, but it seems like we need to have on an agenda so we can discuss in a public format again. >> Yeah, I agree with that. >> Yeah. Um I mean does that seem helpful to have another workshop again like or is that not going to be helpful just to discuss again? Well, I think in my opinion if you ask yeah I think that as you know the reason to have more discussions is when we have more data and I mean that's I hope data drives the discussion right so with 13 beta having the discussion on the other hand I don't want to give the impression that um if there's something to be done. Let's do it right. Uh if we if we aren't at a point of making decision, then let's definitely not make a decision. But again, but if if council wants to do something, tell me what they're going to do and I'll put it on the agenda. I have to be as you know, open public meetings act. We have to be very specific about what decision we will make that time. Right. >> Um you can ask me to do a public hearing, ask staff to do a public hearing. We'll do that. Um there was no requirement the first time we held a public hearing. There's no requirement. You know, we we held we went through this a year ago. The number of public hearings we held on the design of 1200 West in the process of receiving uh COG funding, right? It was around three basis. Those were required public hearings. But we can hold public hearings anytime you want. We can continue public input, constituency, council member for that's always an option. And we can continue to hear public comment on the public comment part of this without an agenda. No, that doesn't give us permission to discuss policy like we're doing now unless it's on the agenda because uh all of the residents of Nibi deserve a chance to talk about and if we're going to make a decision all of the residents of Nibi deserve a chance to know that we're going to make a decision and I'm preaching to the choir. You guys know all this. Am I uh taking away your open public meeting act training on the agenda? Okay. Well, >> maybe that might say as soon as we get a plan for crossing guard or something like that. >> We'll take care of that. We're on it. We'll do it as fast as we possibly can. We don't need an emotion for that. >> I mean, we're on it. >> And that doesn't mean just >> we'll get with the we'll get with the principal. We'll get books and study and figure out what triggers need to be pulled and what we can and can't do and make it happen. >> This does charter school have a school community council like regular school. We'll find that out. >> Yeah, find it. It is a little bit of a unique animal. >> So I school community council is a big part of that. Yeah, >> that's a fair. >> Yes. >> Yeah. So one suggestion I think that would be probably our next action besides that is which possibility of the changes to the current bouts we're going to be that something we talked about about um I don't know if we have the data or but I think it's the one that we're going to find out first about a possible change and so I'd say I don't know if six weeks is is appropriate or not but I would say by January maybe some snowfalls etc we could maybe bring this up again specifically talk about changing the already placed walls to what's if we prefer B five let's do the graph so I think that would be the next action so I'd say that's January we we we address that any data or information that we can glean it's a lot of it I think is going to be qualitative like said maybe he drives it once or twice he's going to have his feelings on it I'm have to bike it a couple times to see if I like it. >> I think that's the maybe the actionable. >> Okay. >> And you know, get a hold of me. >> Yeah. >> Outside of the me chat, tell me what you want to do. Um, if I feel like it needs additional support from council members to make it valuable as time for the council, I'll g the council and, you know, try to do what council wants me to do or the try to allow the council the process to do what they ought to do. >> That's great. >> Okay. Uh, if there's no objection from the council, we'll call item 5.1 complete. and move on to item six. That's a public hearing ordinance 2532. This is an ordinance providing for the compensation of department heads of niche city. Justin, you sure help us on that? >> Yes. Thank you, mayor. >> As you're all aware, a couple years ago, the state legis passed a law that requires us to post annual salaries of all department heads. It used to be just statutory officers, treasurer, mayor, councilman, things like that. But it was recently changed so that even department heads now to me to be notified and uh this resolution pass on salaries. Now we've come a long ways in the last few years with adjusting employee salaries. I'd like to again just reiterate how how much I appreciate our staff and how awesome I think our staff is top to bottom. I put our staff up against any other city staff out there and hands down I'm confident that they just do an amazing job. And so we've done everything we could to try to compensate them as fairly as possible. And in this today's environment, it's difficult thing to do. And in this case, in this uh auction, our recreation director was offered another position. And so at another municipality and mayor and I had a lot of discussions about it. We're very proud of our recreation program. It's by far the best in the valley. We think it's fantastic and we want to hold on to that. We want to maintain that. So, so we uh talked about that and discussed that and are willing to make this move to our recreation director's salary so that uh we continue with what we've built and move forward with what and continue to grow. So, happy to answer any questions. >> Thank you. Uh questions before we open the public hearing. Seeing none is Chad means see if there's a signup sheet to speak at this again. Don't have to sign up. We welcome your your comments whether you signed up for it or not. >> Is it 32 or 31? >> This is 32 >> 2532. >> Thank you. So, nobody signed up, but certainly welcome you to come forward and address the council on uh this matter. Please, please, >> this is something I can positively talk about. Um, yeah, I I agree. can meet for the record. It's just it's just for open public meetings just who you are, where you and they and um so I just Chad has been amazing. How long have you been here? >> 10 years yesterday. >> Yeah. 10 years. And it's been we left here 16 and he's done amazing job. Um, also he's the he's so well works so well with everybody in the valley and also the um I mean North Logan just copy taking notes out of what Chad has already implemented. So I really for this uh motion. Thank you. please. >> Glad to see you stand up and speak to us. You spend a lot of time with us. Thank you very much. >> Greg Anderson, one quarter, sir. Um, yesterday, this is really unique in my office and I'm I'm a relative rover with C-21. And in our office, we were talking about some things that were related to RECA and the annual rec center. And as part of that, uh, my colleagues had some neighbors that were looking for a house and they refused to be in any other city other than Italy. And the reason was for the recreation program. they absolutely uh would not consider another city because quality of the program uh agreed from the input that I've seen through buyers wanting to come into Italy uh recreation and the recreation program is one of the reasons they wish to be here. Thank you. Thank you. going once twice with that then we'll close the public hearing. Thank you for your thoughts and comments and turn it to the council's discussion and consideration. And if nobody has anything to say, I would love to hear a motion and we can still talk about the motion after you make it. >> Nathan, I'll make a motion to approve. >> We have a motion and from Nathan and a second from Aaron to approve ordinance as presented 2532 say >> and that motion includes I think that was Aaron. Is that part of your second to to wave second reading? Okay. So, it's a motion includes to wave second reading. Uh, discussion. I get the feeling the council's ready to vote. >> No, please. Yeah. >> Sorry. >> No, you're good. Um, just uh No, I appreciate Chad and all that he does. I think that it comes to a a point too that a position is only worth so much. So, I appreciate we we kept this here. I was, you know, my favorite bus system and I think the saying is sometimes we outgrow our position and we keep feeding them to keep somebody money here when that's generally not the point. And I don't know if that's that's not what Chad's doing, but I think with that all positions, there's a value to it and sometimes we just outgrow a scale or maybe our qualifications. So we need to keep that in mind too and I think we do good. So if we do this and then we continue our cost of living at 3% I mean that's uh I don't know it's a lot of people that don't make that much or close to it but do a great job in their field. So so I just thought you know we gave a lot of thought. So yeah thank you. Anyone else thoughts? Anyone opposed to voting? No opposition. Since this is uh to wave second reading, chair, will you please call the council member? >> In favor in favor, >> in favor >> in favor, none oppose. So ordinance passes. Thank you for that discussion and thank you to your votes. Next, we have the public hearing that would propose to amend parking regulations for non-motori equipment. This is ordinance 2531. Uh, Levi, are you going to introduce that public hearing before us, please? >> I will. And Evan's here as well. Um, a lot of this I'm I'm going to give Evan really all the credit on this one. He's he's done research on this and just in his his observations with conducting code enforcement, seeing some of the issues and the and the complaints um that we've heard from from residents. That's really kind of the genesis of this as well as uh uh communicating with with other communities and with the um OPMA. What is it? OPMA the state it's it's a state ordinance. um compliance association. They uh so a lot of research went into this and and I I'm just going to go over kind of the um what what's being proposed and why it's being proposed. So we've we fielded uh over the years complaints and observed some issues with with uh parking of non-motorized equipment. Um, so non-motorized equipment, unregistered, not inoperable vehicles within the public ride rightway. You know, these they they often are are viewed as and and we've seen in instances where they're they're really a hazard for for road users. Um, they're, you know, difficult to see at times. And, you know, this includes motorists, bicyclists, someone on a scooter. Um, and I'll I'll I'll go through some images here. Um, oftent times they're they're more difficult to see at night. Um, so the the other issue other than just kind of the potential safety hazard that that they present is of the the enforcement is really difficult with these vehicles. we we can't really ticket them because we don't know who they belong to in in a lot of times if they don't have a lot of times they don't have a license plate. Um so we can't if it comes to like if they're breaking other ordinances for example if they're more we have an ordinance where they have they can't be there for longer than 48 hours but even if they are uh we we can't enforce it the same way that we do with other vehicles. So we'd have to go basic um straight to um pursuing impounding but that takes quite a bit of time to to get to that level and so enforcement just becomes very difficult. Um the proposed ordinance would prohibit the parking of non-motorized equipment, unregistered and inoperable vehicles in the public rideway. And I can bring up the specific ordinance if you want to talk about it, but just wanted to show some examples up on the screen. So here's here's one. You can see so pretty low profile. This is they're really common. A lot of people we'll just say that they're they're common to to see these on the street. A lot of times they're left for a long time. Um you know these utility trailers out on the street probably for convenience. they're they're left and and we often get complaints. Oh, I couldn't see it or it's it's in my way. Uh which you you can kind of see why. There's just a few other examples here. Um here's this one. And I think Evan mentioned that wheelbarrow was there for quite some time. And and you know, you imagine at night that could be pretty difficult to see. Here's another example. This is this is an example. At night, you know, a lot of these are black, right? So, you can't A lot of these utility trailers, you come up on them and and they're they're pretty difficult to to see, you know, as opposed to car that the amount of refle reflectivity is kind of varies with them. It's not always a trailer. Sometimes people drop their um maybe it's a moving box that they put in the road or maybe it's a a snow plow or some other equipment that they drop in the road. Um so our our recommendation is is to approve this ordinance. We feel it would both in you know improve safety in in the community. uh it would it would make it so that we could enforce and more more effectively the ordinances and that's really the reason for this. Evan, I don't I don't know if you want to add anything or if that pretty much covers it. if you had any questions or >> just two children this year run into one of them had to be lifelinded to primary children's because the fracturing his leg was still um the other kid hit him on an ebike destroyed his ebike broke his arm was good 32 eblink. But yeah, the reflectivity and not being registered to an owner makes it really difficult to enforce our laws. Can >> I ask a question? >> Please do. >> Just to clarify, um the ordinance is that you can't park there for more than 48 hours. Is that the change suggested? That's our current our current ordinance is is that with any vehicle what's being proposed is that you would not be able to park non-motorized, unregistered or inoperable vehicles on the street. Period. So >> it is more restrictive. >> Yeah. >> as currently written. Yes, if you want to if you want to make modifications, you know, definitely get into that. I I would suggest getting into that in the discussion, but that as as written, yes, it it wouldn't be allowed to be at all. Correct, Evan? Yeah. If one day actively moving wood chips into their yard, that still would be not >> Well, this one I don't know if it was the greatest example because this one I believe is connected to that trailer. >> It isn't. Okay. >> All right. >> Yeah, that sat there a long time. I guess is in this in this specific instance. Yes. >> If a trigger is attached to a vehicle, it is considered registry to that vehicle. >> Only when there is a detached from a vehicle on the street and trailers over a certain size, not a single act. So, it's I think it's gross vehicle boy single. So, >> okay. >> License. So, so I think you know there's and again we kind of get to the public soon. Um but in terms of clarifying this um go back to the limits if you would. Perfect. >> Uh, so I guess I'm looking at >> I I can pull it out. >> So that we know exactly. These are good questions. Unregistered. That's what I'm looking for. It's It's unlawful to slower than that. See if I get there. Non-motorized equipment parking prohibit. This is Yeah. Number four. Yeah. Uncoupled trailers, snow plows, so on. Okay. Let's uh if it's okay with council, let's go to the public hearing and then bring it back to you for discussion. Okay. We'll open the public hearing. Any member of the public who would like to speak to the council about this proposed change in the ordinance, please come forward. >> I really appre Sorry, my name is Amaner 1090 West 2260 South here in Nibble. Um I think this is a fantastic ordinance. I think there's a lot of good and safety that can come from it, but I don't agree with it being a blanket statement of never being able to park those unmotorized vehicles. I think restricting that to hours after and after sunset before sunrise would be very appropriate, an appropriate compromise there to allow people that are moving or working on the sprinkler systems in their yard that I spent so much time on this year already. Um, giving people an option to still work um, on the roadside by their yards, at least during the daytime hours, I think would still significantly improve the safety of the city while giving people the leniency of being able to get the work done. >> We just have planning commissioners and staff left. So, thank you. Uh, so I'm going to close the public hearing unless you want another crack at it. Okay. Oh, I'm good. Thank you. Thanks for thanks for sharing that with us. And with that, we'll move to the next agenda item and turn it to the council. Um, Ammon, you may not know a lot of times, most times our default is to take things in two readings. So the first reading is to get acquainted with the topic, ask questions, let staff know what kind of information we'd like to have before we get to a second reading where it's officially adopted. And then sometimes we think we have all the information we need and then actually the second reading. So depending on how this discussion goes, it might be first reading or second and especially how the motion goes. So on that week we single out snow plows or just with clouds. I don't know why that's pretty random just to say no how I has that been an issue. >> Evan was some of this um language borrowed from some other examples from other communities as well? >> Yes, this particular one was taken from Yeah. Okay. So we could I mean we could amend that. I I think it it's I think it's just meant to be an example, but yeah. >> Yeah. >> Thanks. Uh question for Levi for me. Evan, how how does how does this ordinance make enforcement on unlicensed vehicles any easier if we still can't identify who to write a citation to? >> So, I've gone through this with the sheriff's department several times. Um, if you can get a VIN number off the trailer and it has been registered in the back street to track somebody down that way. Being that Utah does not require that, it goes straight to the amount process. So, when I call the sheriff and say, "Hey, I can't find vehicle." They can't find the owner of the vehicle. And I go through a 7-day process. The may go through another 7-day process. So, it's a 14 to 21 day process before we can get that vehicle impounded. It gets impounded with the VIN number and when you call to report your trailer stolen, it is in the sheriff's department's stolen and they can tell you that it was not stolen. It has in fact been >> right. So, the VIN number may not help us locate the owner until they call in and report a stolen trailer with this VIN number. >> Correct. >> Okay. And this this ordinance by making it prohibited means we can impound it immediately if we Okay. They'll still get they'll still get the $48 warranty. It will still receive a citation because you can site a VIN number. It just doesn't go to the owner. So, the citation goes on the vehicle, but who gets it and when they get it, if they pay, we have no way to track it. So they'll still get the 48 hours, still get the citation for 72 hours, and then it'll be tagged. Vehicle is tagged to tow and by the end of the seven days, it's gone. Does our contract with the Cash County Sheriff for law enforcement include this type of service? It does not. The sheriff has to do their own process, but Levi and Justin and I have spoken about this. It is within our ability to inbound and I set newly city to be on the sheriff's field and registry so that we can impound without their assistance. So, Nibi City would be impounding the vehicle. >> Correct. And it would still be registered with dispatch. >> Okay. >> But it would be Nimly City staff towing it away. >> It would be >> it would be a to be a towing yard tow truck company. We would just we we would dispatch them instead of going through >> to do that >> and have basically the way it is now. You know, the sheriff kind almost acts as a middleman between us and >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> and the Yeah. the tow truck. >> And actually, the sheriff doesn't tow stuff either. >> Right. Right. That's what I'm saying. They They're really just doing the same thing we do, which just takes more time. >> Okay. We parked on the new side or the opposite side. Do we still have it tow? >> It would have to be on the south side, I believe, because the north side's in Logan. So, we we we wouldn't Yeah, we wouldn't enforce that. But if it was on the south side along Firefly Park, then >> the vehicle I really >> has he Yes. >> On what charts on ours overnight parking? Okay, >> good. Thank you. >> Has he paid the ticket? >> No. Well, almost good >> uh we recently approved purchasing the new software and hardware. Are you using that already? >> No, ma'am. We want a six six week implementation period from >> I just wondered if that would be is going to be necessary in order to be able to accurately track the warning period versus citation period like will that be helpful? >> Yes, that's hugely helpful. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> By the way, as of this afternoon maybe this is still in the works. We don't have them today. They're courtesy notices. >> How's that sound? >> I didn't come up with that was

here. Thank you. So things on this. So, I mean, honestly, this is definitely reasonable. I have this tail in these trainers cuz it's so dark sticking out. It didn't have any refer over. So, I appreciate that. Those black trailers just stuck out safety hazard. I hate that we even have to wait seven days because that's seven days of like danger before we could even get that fixed. I guess part of my example though is if where do we want them to park these? Because if we don't want them to get on the street, they don't let me park it under grass or in your yard. We kind of saying you have a trailer somewhere. >> Okay. I'm clear. >> The funny thing is that they're not straight away. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> they're finding a spot for them as we enforce no win, >> right? But they found a place for him, I guess, is Evan's point, >> we have like some stickers or something. We get a smile on that reason. What about our courtesy notices?

>> Yes, please. Um, I had that question. I'm not going to ask that question anymore. Uh, it was. So this is more about number five not. So um when I read number five it is also not as written um under the 48 hour window. It is immediate. >> Is that what >> correct? Yeah. Yeah. I guess we didn't we didn't get into this one as much. the >> um mechanically inoperable vehicles as well. Honorable. So just I'm just pointing out the wording of this >> mechanically and opera includes driver's not limited to flat tires but grease >> I think that there's a misconception of snow so we're thinking of the vehicles they were just >> all I'm thinking even even the caring car It's a flat tire and we park it in this parking lot. We are violating this as written. That's all I'm pointing out because it is a publicly um space that we are looking. >> Yeah. So that's just one thing that we need to address in the the wording and and it comes back to there should be I think the reason we have the 48 hours of restrictions I think it's because of situations like this it felt like we probably allow people to park things for 48 hours because they may have a flat tire or they may just stay for two days what may be and so not having some grace for a flat tire or not permanently inoperable vehicle I think is important as normal nothing is ever fixed anythingable >> so I think that a 48 hour limit on at least the inoperable vehicles is in our best interest. Um, I didn't understand the impounding part because I was going to say the same thing about the trainers and and non rest equipment, but understanding that process now. >> So, you think this would take longest seven days now to get a trailer on the road. That's >> correct. >> And right now, you said it takes almost a month. Sometimes it took us 32 days to get the last one. It was parked illegally left curb and abandoned and it was 32 days between myself and the sheriff to get it removed. When I first observe one parked legally, then they chalk the ground and then 48 hours later they'll get that warning. Then 48 hours building the citation marked. So >> So a 40 hour warning extends it by even two more days. >> Great. >> Yeah, >> I think um I think that's a good point on inoperable vehicles. I under this um unregistered though I I do I do think it's helpful to not allow unregistered vehicles because it becomes difficult to um uh to enforce. And really if they're unregistered they probably ought to not be on a public street anyway. >> Okay. So >> if they're unregistered and inoperable then we might throw in uninsured part >> right >> we can't we cannot deter the insured >> that's that's not the main >> yeah our current definition of mechanically inoperable includes anything that's prohibits lawful operation I we determined it. So I I guess um unless we want to word smith from the bench tonight, my suggestion is a second reading. >> Yeah. >> So I will make that motion. >> All right. Sorry. So from my understanding unregistered trainer to the point that you know anything was made if you're working on your yard and you've got it stuffed unloaded it's it's parked in front of your house on the street but you're unloading it under this new ordinance then it would be unlawful right >> if it's uncoupled if it's if it's connected to to a vehicle then that's allowed but if But but if you drop the trailer into the street, >> if it's four tons of grain, they take you taste the movie just feels like it's strict. I like his comment about just live during the day. It's the only the main issue I had almost stayed the night because it was black. There's nothing reflected on that during the day. having to be the same issue. Is there a way to allow that during the day and then you know move or something because I don't want to keep people from being their do stuff too being so restrictive but I guess they can make it so they never uncouple it you know but I know that happens because they can sprinkle pipe and all sorts of stuff and I know >> probably worked there for three or four days before I get it all emoted and So I I think Mr. House made a great suggestion. I'm I'm glad we're thinking about it. Um in the case where we have four tons of ground, >> I think Mr. Ammon's suggestion was that the prohibition with coupled unlicensed trailer would be only at night time. So if it takes you 4 days to unload this gravel, you're still going to have to hook up on onto it every night and move it. Right. So working with >> I mean I appreciate the daylight nighttime difference in safety at the same time. I mean if are you going to drop the trailer pull away and leave it there during the daytime come back the vehicle up move it somewhere for night time for safety and then pull it back out to that spot. The worst scenario I can think of is do you use your truck for work and you pick that up and you got there with you get it all done but you got to use your truck to get to it from the park and everything vehicle you would uncouple them to do that and come back so you would couple in but >> yeah um curiosity it's it's anecdotal um the accidents from from kids that ran into trailers. Did you tell us what what time of day they were? They were both in the They were welcome back. Great one. Okay. Um I had a motion, but it died for lack of second. But you need a motion as you know. We can continue to discuss lots of these things. I I'll second the motion. Nothing new regrett motion has died for blanking the second. So it has to be reade first reading. >> Okay. We have a motion from Nathan second to approve from first reading. Can you all do we need a summary of things you know to think about with the staff recommendation perhaps uh before we get to second reading? some some pros and cons of daytime, nighttime, some pros and cons of inoperable vehicles that could be temporarily allowed. Uh what else we have? I think you would pull apart unregistered and not legally not lawfully prohibited operate with in I think they're the same like unregistered >> just as in the definitions. >> Mhm. And then of course um if if if staff you know wants wants to in include those changes we can also make amendments when it comes back for certain >> I guess uh more of a discussion before the to think about at least for the next time is I don't think we need the specificity and overreach of where we should tell them to store their equipment. I don't care if it's in a commercial rental storage unit >> or private. I I think that can just be removed. We just don't want it on the street. >> Oh, I see. You can tell me where to store myself because I can figure it out. I think my suggestion is going to be that vehicles get a 48 hours. But we got to think about if we're going to have enough or something else that's true, right? You make the point that the city. >> Okay. >> So give you >> Seeing those in favor of passing the first reading with the considerations to be brought up at second reading that they have mentioned, please say I. >> Any opposed? Okay. Thanks, councel. Uh next I ask you to take a look at resolution 2531. This is appointing a niche city representative to the cash mosquito abatement district. You guys know what that district does. You you you know their role. We also know that our representative to that were passed away which we appreciate greater service both to CBT connect and the cash and so it's it's not a happy time to be looking for a replacement. Nevertheless, that's what I'm asking you to do to give consent to appoint team Randy Fezer to the Castle Bait District. I have spoken with Randy. I cold called him on it last week and we chatted for a while. I gave him, you know, pointers to the cash mosquito abatement district website and details on uh the responsibilities of serving on the board, so on and so forth. I've conf I've uh confirmed with Randy that he is willing to accept Greg's uh appointment with so I'll turn it to you ask for your confirmation on this appointment motion to pass resolution 2531. Okay. and just a resolution. I'm not sure if we said first or second reading, but I waving second reading, but I appreciate >> Okay, second reading. >> Okay, I have a motion from Garrett. Second from Aaron 2531. I'm appointing a representative and waving second reading. So Randy would be immediately available to be on that. Thank you. um you served on this hit. How heated might one of these meetings get or aggressive could the conversation be? >> The gas mosquito evadement board. It's a very unique board. It's I'm trying to How do I How do I point out the uniqueness without sounding funny about it? >> Did you fit in? >> There are and this is not this is not making a judgment statement at all about how people run their lives. Um, there's probably about half the board that requires paper mailings of minutes and agenda and information on on the board and that's fine. The the the clerk who, you know, deals with that very well. Um there was a small mutiny on the board when the state when they were when they were informed that state was going to require them to take training on their responsibilities as an oversight board. But in the end they the MUD died and they complyed to training. those out of my training similar to the what you've seen I'm sure um they're generally very docile meetings they're very short they're very docile there's there's an excellent I believe with Richard Richard it's they're excellently staffed Richard is a school teacher he's got time in the summertime to devote a whole bunch of effort to this he hires uh college kids that are well trained. Richard goes with the conferences. He's up to date on best management practices. He's got GPS on his trucks so he knows where they've been. He's got animometers on his trucks so he knows that the wind speed is appropriate, you know, and not and when it's not appropriate to be outspraying. Uh, in my opinion, the uh the board the the need for strong oversight because it's so well staffed, as long as Richard's there or someone like Richard's doing as well as they do, the need for oversight is just because we do need oversight on anything that collects property tax. Um, the most heated that I saw uh the board tackle while I was there was the fraud risk assessment and it was kind of like why we have to do this because the state says we have to so that was the controversy then I think Randy will fit very well I think he'll perform well >> um and that's that recommendation >> this pur curiosity and attract a little bit speaking with character individuals. I was genuinely curious. >> I think Randy will speak up and we know Randy and I think he'll speak up and he'll he'll speak respectfully and and uh there are other people like Randy on that board that speak their mind when concerned and I think they deal with that. Let's see where are we have a motion and a second discussion. Is there any other discussion? Okay. Any other comments? Is there opposition to voting? Seeing no opposition, Cheryl will ask you to call the role on this, please. >> In favor? >> In favor. >> Thank you. Got that. Four in favor, n oppose. Council, thanks for the discussion. Thanks for the decision. >> Yes, sir. >> But we're so close to the end. Yes. Objection. Recess until let's call 8:35. No objection. Let's do >> and we're up to item 11. This is resolution 532 that would amend the city's consolidated heat schedule specifically addressing trash solid waste collection to the land. Justin. >> No, I can go. I can do it. >> So, I'll first apologize. When I first wrote this resolution, I just took kind of the main garbage fees, which are the 96gallon can, the 60-gallon can, the blue can, and the green can, and had everything adjusted appropriately. And about 2:00 today, Talon read through said, "Hey, you forgot all these other fees that I I apologize. I forgot about which are not normal every month fees. There are things like garbage can drop off and pick up and a lot of obviously fees for misuse, overfilling and things like that. So those are everything that's read there is those extra kind of fees that go along with that. So everything that was changed today was is track changes. You're welcome to it was and not in the packet that you reviewed throughout the week. So I sincerely apologize about that. They're not super critical or used very often. So if you wanted to just NYX all the track changes, you're welcome to do that. It probably will probably be fine till we redo the consolidated fech schedule for everything else in a few months. We try to do that every December January time frame. So you're welcome to do that as well. It break the bank by the other one however due to the or the other ones in black I should say that were were in the packet that you had time to look at and review over the last week. Those are timesensitive. Per the contract that the Cath Waste Consortium has with Waste Management, they are allowed to do a cost of service adjustment according to CBI. And the mayor could probably speak more to this than I can, but it is scheduled to start and begin October 1st. So, in order for us to be able to recoup the cost of this increase, we will want to wave pass at least the black fees today or take a small hit and it it won't break break the bank either. But if we want to be ahead of it, not subsidize that at all, make sure to approve this tonight. So, any questions on that? Claire, >> that's all I had. >> Thank you, Justin. I I think the only thing I would add uh the cash waste consortium met on Wednesday uh to consider a contract amendment with waste management. I won't get into the discussions of that because there was only a small part of that uh amendment to the contract that has anything to do with fees. However, we did discuss the increase in fees that are already built into the contract we have which is traced to the trash and wastewater uh trash and wastewater um garbage and trash collection. Did you know there's this there's the Bureau of Labor Statistics actually tra track tracks the cost of living the cost of living uh CPI for specifically trash trash collection. Um so there were people in the consortium that including me before the meeting that questioned uh 5.1%. It turns out that August to August it was not 5.1% it was more than that. So I just kept my mouth shut. There was 6.5%. I didn't keep my mouth shut. I said it's in the contract. They they have inflation built into the contract. Really don't had a way to not pay this. So on one hand, it'd be nice to run a business. Norm, I'm sure you would agree that had inflation built into it. Um, but it also it's part of what happens when you grant a monopoly to that's what governments do whether it's a utility service or trash the service. It's kind of what you have to do to keep up with inflation and not rebid the contract in the year by so there's other changes that were discussed but I will we'll talk about you will all see those at some point. >> How much longer is on the contract is it like >> one of the things that I'm being discussed. >> So there's three more years on the contract. >> Yeah. Um, now I'll get into a little bit. Um, there's a waste management has exclusivity on temporary rolloffs like construction sites. >> People have asked for that exclusivity to be waved and management has come back with uh, yeah, we'll do that, but we want our 5-year extension on the contract. So, it' be 2033 before this contract. So >> it's good leverage. >> Yeah, it's leverage. And I >> I thought about customer service issues with our staff um with waste management. the consortium voted to accept the contract and send it to the really don't know what our options are in terms of being a lone wolf in terms of getting out of sourcing and the cost of collecting trash is considered that will come back to >> well the answer is three years or maybe eight Oh, uh yeah, just some uh more clarification from staff on it won't break the bank. Maybe more of an estimate if say we were to not implement this till November 1. Good question. I probably should have calculated that um but I didn't. We could probably scramble here if you'd like me to. >> Oh, >> no. >> So, our annual and this is we try to do this proportionally. It amazes me. You gave me the numbers, Dustin. Amy gave us the numbers, but we pass through about $750,000 a year to waste management. So, if we're a month late in getting the fees implemented when they're increased to Newton City, right, it would be 12th of 5%. >> 750,000. Is that fair math? >> I can't do it in my head. $750,000 a year by 12 >> 62,000 a month >> and 5.1% of that times 0051 is $3,000 3200 okay and by the way um this was part of the Wednesday discussion there are cities that said they can't get this done uh before They're building in November and it's just not going to happen. I was talking to a city manager. I said, "What do you mean? Your mayor just ran a meeting, but Oh, am I telling you who?" Okay, your mayor just ran a meeting that got this amendment authorized by the associate effective August October 1st. So, it's October 1st. I mean, there is some chance, but I think this counts a lot to try to get the it if you're going to go along with the cost increase, I don't know how you don't go along with this contract, make it effective for October 1st. And if other cities can fight the fight that says, "No, there's no way it's going to be November 1st. We will piggy back on that. Am I making any sense? >> Will other cities be able to do that before we send out our bills? >> Uh, I can get resolution on that before the bills go out. >> The only reason I'm thinking about it is that just making citizens aware they wanted to make changes, right? Like if I I don't think a ton are going to do it, but like if I look at this and say, "Well, now I'm getting rid of one of my cans." They don't have an option to do that. They're going to get post bill for what we've already done in October, right? >> Yeah. But they've also they've received that service in Octo forgot that I was going to mention. We we do charge 10 cents per can for an admin fee. So when calculating this, we took the 10 cents off, increased it by 5.1%, and then put the 10 cents back on. So we increase our ad. >> When did you say we're going to go again? January. >> Yeah. >> Sorry, what was the question? >> We we try to bring the entire consolidated fee schedule >> in in in around January. We have started talking as about it as staff and are discussing those fees now. So you're looking about $3,000 a month. >> Motion from Nathan, a second. Is there a second from Nor? Thank you. And that motion is to approve the product two waves. >> I put in the request that when we consider the consolidation fee, the council consider whether or not additional cans of certain things such as trash or recycling or green waste should be half the cost or more. I I I think that there's we've talked about this before about incentives and we're stuck with the original costs, but we can do different things with additional costs if we feel we want to. City >> and city just eat some of that cost >> either easily it's more. >> Yeah, we we can charge we charge what we want. We can we can charge what we think is fair for whatever goals we're trying to achieve, right? It's federal. >> So I just encourage think about that for when this comes up >> in January. So >> So they going to do green waste again next year or is it too early? they are uh what this with with this 5.1% increase now part of the amendment is all about green waste but it's about roll off green waste we would have to become a city that doesn't offer hard cur herbside green waste to do rolloff green waste and I see it it's on a it's on to all it's very expensive in my for two reasons. One it can cost can be controlled if you have some if you pay an employee to monitor what >> because when it gets contaminated it gets hauled to to pay it to you via the land bill not fee. Second of all, unless you have a city staff member compacting what's in the rolloff, you're hauling 90% there because someone throws a big tree in there and the rolloffs mostly full two big trees for the different tree and I'm the guy that gets in there and jumps out on the tree to try to compact it so I can get my stuff in and that'll be another retirement accident and they may not find me till they dump me yet. And I actually will be the landfill because I will be the contamination >> like a movie. The uh but the greenways I have a previously some truck tree to your point it cost me with a full limbs was $25 and at the landfill for greenways and to dump it with grass it had some branches was $96. Um are you serious? It's a pretty size dump truck. >> So, okay. So, >> it's not your pickup. >> No, it's a sixfooter. >> Well, do they weigh it? >> Yeah, they weigh it. They charge it for weight. That's what it cost. >> So, for your bins, I can see that with that >> for the rocks. >> Yeah. >> And that's just mon green ones without rocks. >> Yeah. And and we can do if if the council will choose, we can do like even though we have cards, you know, greeting if we can do special >> clean up days and pay the fee for that >> put out the the roll offs for a day and monitor it for a day. >> Not not telling us we'll do that. I'm just listening. Okay. Any other comments, thoughts? It's not 9:00, but I think the motion was to wave secret wave. >> Any objection to voting? Seeing none, we'll ask Cheryl to please call the role. Council member in favor. >> Yes. Council member in favor council member >> man >> and and that's why there may be a delay in implementing these because they were supposed to notify us of these fee increases lines before the increase. So we may get our our residents may get a reprieve while while we work that out contractually and you know council think about it long term you know maybe we buy garbage truck >> usually make our own land >> uh you know that we have a bunch of property right here. >> Do you want You want it on the north border though. >> Justin, tell us tell us you know this data hitting fees or dumping fees at the landfill in Cash County relative to other counties. >> I don't know. >> It's a factor of like three higher in cash >> really. than any other county. And it seems like the correlation is to whether the county owns a landfill or whether city owns land. >> It was dirt cheap in St. George. I remember that. Yeah. >> Right. So >> Washington County wasn't serious. It's like $189 a month >> for for what >> for for uh the service. >> No, go back go back to that chart. >> I I know. Sorry, >> council cut me off. We're uh I closed it just >> full cost of that service >> Yeah. >> Have they ever proven that they built? >> Yes. >> Yeah. The cash can only enter the breeze with the one when we're negotiating is contrasting. >> I don't think we're using. >> All right, let's move on. Let's talk about broad risk assessment. Oh, I I treated this as if we had already done it. So check by 253 fraud risk assessment. Uh thank you mayor. If you want to pull up the actual assessment. >> The fraud risk assessment is a tool that the state auditor's office uses to check on and make sure that we have best practices in place. Scroll down to the kind of the red and green. Yeah. Right there. >> Right here. Top one. >> Yep. So this is just a scorecard basically where they have a list of best management practices to reduce fraud and the the risk of having fraud in your organization. So this is something that uh we as staff take very very seriously. There's nothing more important to us than making sure that the public's money is held in in trust and used the way it should be and do everything we can to make sure that there's as little possibility for fraud as possible. And this is just a score scorecard that we put together. They ask us to use and turn in and have you review, have you look at and have you officially accept. And so we've always had a at least in the last month of memory perfect score on the scorecard. We work hard to make sure that that happens. One of the things that we do is have an internal audit and we just started implementing that about three or four years ago. We kind of rotating through council members. Garrett was able to join us for a few hours this last week and so I was able to do that. So I I'm curious, you know, your thoughts on, you know, how you like that, what you thought about it, what maybe you learned or if there was anything you thought we could improve on and just kind of your thoughts on how that went with also admitting that Garrett and I need to still hook up and talk about a couple of items to kind of put a bow on and finish it off. But maybe if you don't mind just give an update. >> Yeah. >> We really do have an incredible staff. You know, they have procedures. I mean, any of them was not available. They had step-by-step instructions on how to do each of their different jobs. You know, it was very impressive. One thing I got out of it though, after talking to Sage about the major pay of dog registration, we should just count on dogs. I mean, seriously, it's believe how much time she puts in her brain she does, but wow. I mean, how long dogs? Yeah. And then here, yeah, is way on top of things. >> The way she has it, they're so organized. I mean, I wish I can get everybody in my office to have a set of procedures and everything else so that someone else could pick up. Um, we do take the fraud very seriously on who holds the checks, can they assign the checks. I mean there's so many different crosses that it has created a couple of issues when people are people are gone trying to get people that had to call the mayor in you know to make sure he gets some stuff um because they've taken very seriously that whoever holds that can't sign it and signers can't hold checks and different things. Um, it made me much more. I was very impressed with with our staff and just the way everything is so detailed. We're lucky to live that. >> Yeah. The easiest part of being mayor is signing checks. This doesn't happen very often, right? >> And because we have such great staff. >> Yeah. Okay. And >> they explain exactly what the check is for. show me the invoice, you know, the whole nine yards about >> I wish there was why we owe this person this this business money. >> Yeah. >> I mean, they're great. I wish there was a way to stage company nightmare. >> So, you got any ideas or other than I mean feel free to outlaw, but I don't know how that'll go. How how do you feel about that? >> I thought it

>> Yeah. I think I think the thing that we need to define better is is there a specific height we should going we should be going for and and where should that apply and where is it okay to say h there's no height limit. >> Well, I buy lawnmowers based on what's the maximum height. How high can I set my lawn mower? >> And it's somewhere between four and six inches. >> Yeah, I think it's about five. Yeah, >> I'd be careful of getting too much detail. I mean, every time we write it too much and force a lot. I mean, we're not a HOA. You're just trying to I think focus on the fire focus on the safety visibility. >> But, but enforcing it is very difficult if we don't define it the way it is now. We I mean we get complaints and we and then we and then we go h well >> so so maybe >> it becomes so subjective >> the needs to be well defined but it doesn't have to be incredibly restrictive >> right right that's that's the balance >> I think I think people yeah not too restrictive but I think the same people that complain about the weeds or they complain about they got too many neighbors they complain about a lot of people complain I just I just make sure we have our focus you know yeah what we're I know I have my working hire to keep busy, but I got weeds around and I mean there's the time that everybody's busy. I just don't want something. >> That's why I f I think focus on the health and safety fire hazard is visibility hazard cover. >> Yeah. And I think it's going to be difficult in some of these agricultural areas like >> you're not I'd be shocked if you got him to do anything. It's going to be us. It's going to have to go down. >> Which we can and we can charge him for it. have to cut it down charge for it. So that'll make him really mad service every year. >> All right. Well, >> it's clear. Is that clear? focus on um uh safety and well fire and encroachment rights avoid >> right if we yeah so I mean I I think we'll be careful about being too restrictive and I mean I I talked to a colleague down and they were doing code enforcement in um vineyard which is an a community that's grown a lot and yeah they spent a lot of I think they have like a 4 inch three or 4 inch limit they spend a lot of time measuring people's grass and I don't I don't think we necessarily want to go there but >> um >> yeah so that that yeah if you don't want to go I mean we're willing to go whichever direction obviously we're we're we don't have a strong opinion about this one way or So, we just we're we just wanted some direction from the council. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Beauty is hard to define. >> Okay. Sounds good. >> Okay. That was >> Yeah, it's not the worst we've ever gotten. So, say that >> we two out of 15. This is uh what we've all been waiting for and we've already eaten our popcorn. >> It's the Cheryl show open and public meetings. >> Oh, wait. Do you have >> Oh, sorry. Sorry. >> We'll send you the >> Sorry. >> Thank you. Sure. Click on the link and I'll have to wait again. >> You guys have to get this train. >> Yeah, it's going to be on the next agenda. So, you guys are good. >> This is the best legislation that Utah has ever passed. Wonder if they had to I wonder if they did it >> though. The state auditor's office did not have the 2025 um training on YouTube as they usually do >> which means they're trying to push us to the to do this um through their website or their out of compliance with themselves. Yes, it is a new movie. So maybe they need to order themselves. Trying really hard to put in my passwords. Okay, if you can see from this, um, I took the training and I got 100%. There's my certificate. Um, and with Mayor Jacobson's request, you do have a test at the end of this training. >> I bet you can pass it. >> What do you want? Are they are they required to go and log in? >> No. off the bus. investigations. developed. And for the plug Okay. Oh Really fast. Um, >> do any of you feel like you've picked up something new this year? >> the uh including of presentations and documentation work? >> Yep. Perfect. I do spend a bit of time kind of trying to track down some presentations at times and if I annoy staff or any of you about, hey, can I get a copy of that presentation? That's because it's being printed and put into the meeting minutes. Um, I also wanted to note that when we do have a closed meeting, and it absolutely has to be called a closed meeting. It can't be called an executive session. It can't be called a closed session. Has to be a closed meeting. Um, there were there was a recorder um in an entity to the north of us that got uh in they're sitting a little bit of hot water because they had called it something different. two words were very important. The judge ruled the me the uh meetings out of order because they were um called something else. >> Seems like there are more justifiable reasons than there used to be to have a closed meeting. Is that just my failing memory or have they added to? >> They have not added to. I think they've just expounded on what those reasons are. >> Okay. Um and um we discuss this quite a lot and every um city across the state seems to do it differently. I fully believe we are compliant with closed meeting law. I don't feel like we do anything underhanded. We always advertise. We state the reason why and we do not go into close s we don't put the the blanket statement that the council may go into close session on each and every agenda which is debatable whether that should be allowed or not. Um, so if anyone else wants to talk about what they anything new they learned, it's like school. >> This isn't new, but I appreciate the responsible for making sure we following this daily. We trust. >> Yes. Like this body will make sure all the meetings are posted in the public place. I don't double check that, but I do trust that you do it. Thank you. >> Absolutely. Thank you. Um, so here's your test, and if you have really good eyes, you can see the answers. Um, which of the following is not a justification for closing a meeting? to discuss the character, competence, or health of an individual. To hold the investigative pro to hold investigative proceedings regarding allegations of criminal misconduct, to interview a person applying to fill an elected position, or D to discuss pending or reasonably imminent litigation. I was going to have candy bars here, but you have a whole bunch sitting behind you. So, does anybody want to Garrett, what's the answer? >> B. >> He is correct. It is C. You cannot um have a closed meeting in order to interview a person to fill an elected position. Smithfield City just had to fill a position last night. Um I haven't spoke with my counterpart over there about how that went, but they had 16 um applicants submit. >> Um regular open and public meetings require 24 hours notice. The public notice includes the meeting agenda, date, time, and place. notice is posted at the Utah public notice website, the public body's website, and in a public location such as the location where the meeting will be held. Is this true or false? >> True. >> It is true. Thank you. I don't This is the easiest test you'll ever take. When a public body or quorum, also known as a simple majority, meets to discuss an act upon upon government business, is it considered a public meeting? True or false? It's true. A majority of governing board members attend the same church. I love this question. Maybe in the same room at the same time. What should they do? A. Have some governing body members find a different church. B. Make sure enough governing body members will not attend the same week. C. Provide notice of a public meeting. Or D. Nothing that spell falls within the chance or social social meeting exception. >> D. >> D. I I do not >> and I I'd certainly trust the council to hold yourselves accountable that you're not having secret meetings to discuss city business and discuss how you're going to vote. I I really feel like our council is very aware of these requirements and you hold yourselves to the highest standards and we have staff really appreciate that. See? >> Oh, yeah. Um, a recording must be a complete and unedited record of all open portions of the meeting from beginning to end and be labeled with the meeting date, time, and place, true or false. Um, interesting. Um, we do break our recordings up into sections because the public notice website will only accept 200 mill megabytes before it will reject the file. So I will typically stop the recording at 2 hours at a very sensible breaking point where it's obvious that that nothing has occurred in the recording so that I can house those on the public notice website because if we can't house them there, we do have to put them on a in a storage place where we have to pay for that storage and provide a link. So um that's >> we just limit meetings to $2. Sounds great. >> I think the state of Utah is trying to tell us kind of money. Somebody needed to say it. >> There you go. >> YouTube count. >> Yes, YouTube would count, but to get that posted to the public website, it would be significantly too big. So, that was true. >> It already is. You record YouTube, they say they're >> guaranteed. Yeah. >> The governing body may not take any vote during a closed meeting unless it's a vote to end the closed portion of the meeting and return to open meeting. True or false? True. If a new topic not on the agenda is raised by the public during an open meeting, the governing body may discuss the topic. However, final action may not be taken on the new topic during that meeting. True or false? >> True. And that was kind of a new provision that was um spelled out. I believe was two years ago. Um, within three business days after approving written minutes of an open meeting, make make approved minutes in any public material available at the Utah Public Notice website, the entity's primary office, and the entity's website. True or false? True. >> True question. >> Everything's true. >> False. >> They need to do like the driver's test. Trick questions. And that was the last um question. I consider you all 100% completed. I will email you your cert certificates of completion on Monday. >> Congratulations. >> Thanks for the training and the popcorn. >> Um oh also it is National Bosses Day and you guys are all bosses to all of us. So I brought popcorn for that reason as well. Thanks for being a great group of bosses.

Okay, thank you, Cheryl. Terrific. Can't wait to get my certificate or I can hang it on my wall. Raymond first. Garrett, do you want to start us off on council and staff reports? >> Sure. Already discuss

again. Just going to reiterate, you know, he tried eight different times in my she just worried so much. Yeah, it was great to be able to spend time with him and I think that name break that uh I was curious about being you don't think of cities and tales since I was going to be able to attend my lines when I just kind of recap what some of the major points for know if there's any boomerang to be doing

and I just want to reiterate that it's starting to turn and when it snows I do want a ride in snow plast to see how that works and if there's things that we can change to help make that safer and better that's it >> thanks Okay. Um, we have a new library in our city. It's at Morgan and it's about this big. It's a little free sharing library >> and it's very cute. So, drive by, go and borrow a book, take a book. It's up by the community garden. And on that same vein, thought I was in Centerville City a few weeks ago and one of their big parks, they have a big uh little library, meaning like, you know, this big. So, there's a lot of books in it and it was fully stocked. Was great. diagramraph said. Um, I wondered if we could maybe have a discussion possibly outside of this meeting about are there some parks in our city that we could add more of these libraries to? They're very cheap and fun and a great way for people to share books around the neighborhood for kids to share books as they're walking by playing in parks. So I bring that up to some staff members outside of >> Yeah. Do do details. Do we have a structure that we need to build it waterproof? >> Um a lot there are lots of one at Morgan farm I built. You can just buy kits and they come you know you can buy metal ones with metal roofs. They have the glass emo so that they're weatherproof. Um, usually you usually just stick them on like a 4x4 post in the ground. Uh, I mean they're not they won't last forever, but they'll last for years. Um, so there's a variety of style and hardiness levels and would love to look into that more and maybe get some suggestions. >> Oh, you just be looking for a project. plans are going to keep. >> Yeah, a lot of time I mean you can buy them fully assembled or you can I mean if you want a service project for a group of youth you can also buy a kit and let them stand it and paint it and it different ways to go about it. >> Cash is talking about getting out of the library installed together. >> That's another reason I was thinking about this. They brought it up. Yeah, they have their budget meeting next 28 where they're discussing that further whether they're going to keep the Cash County Library in its current form or change it or get rid of it. >> But that's all. >> Thanks. Thank you. Um the resolution we passed that would have had us do a public hearing today service district also included the words for a reasonable time and so I don't remember our plan is since we didn't hold it today I assume still as we talk to other entities and cities you can do this in your recording you answer the question just an idea of what we're planning and if you need to include when and where. >> Great. >> Uh Samuel, I've been talking to a few of the county council representatives about the budget and how do we save the library concerns there about seems like public safety is one of the largest things. And I just brought up the fact like we pay county taxes for that also. So the city pays a service fee. So, I just had a lot of good conversations with them. So, I encourage you if you have thoughts on I think they it's a hard choice that they have to make. Um, that's it. >> Yeah, I was able to go into the league and my wife says thanks for letting her come. She's able to come every time. It's tough to take off work and do by yourself. So appreciate that. It's good that made it topics that they had were what you mentioned about housing low cost where they can get money from and short and growth and and I said you do one I thought was good where they're trying to expand and stuff and they brought up some different areas. I had uh several people said thanks for the crosswalk on 800. That was very appreciated for them. And then um I think that's it. I won't write on the book. So it's important if you think of it, let us know. Okay. Uh my I always try to find one thing to take away from the Utah League. I am con I continue to be inspired by increasing the government's role in providing affordable housing. And so we had legislators address the league that talked about, you know, this year the big push is the state should help build infrastructure. In the past, it's been all the problem with affordable housing is municipalities aren't entitling enough lots. I think the Utah League came together approved that's not the case. Last year, affordable housing was limited by available financing options. So, the state was involved with helping developers finding financing options. This year, it's help build infrastructure. And I think my concern with hearing legislators talk about that. And I think the problem with affordable housing is giving affordable housing to the consumer. And no offense, Greg, to developers and you know, you guys and real estate agents play a very very important role in this whole thing of providing housing. There's no doubt about it. But we need to do things that get affordability to the customer instead of increasing profit margin for the people that make that house possible the people the developer. So in coincidentally some of us went on a have we not had a meeting since we went to the >> Neielson >> development county. It was an inspiration. This is the company that >> uh is actually making a difference on affordable housing as far as I can tell. Building 350 units of really nice houses on 3500 acre lots by the way. That looked pretty big to me. >> 4500 square ft. >> I think they had some smaller. >> Yeah. 3500T0000. >> Yeah. and we toured a house, really nice house, a really nice houses, and they're selling those things for around $400,000. Now, I believe the key to getting affordability to the consumer is through deed restrictions. And I think that, in fact, I pitched this at a some listening session that was at the local pretty well. you know, how do we how do we make things affordable? Well, we need to get it to the consumer. And if the legislature or the government is going to help build housing by subsidizing infrastructure or something else, by golly, that should come with the restrictions. And that's how the Neielson family make this happen. They received uh a break from Wever County to build affordable housing on dedicated open space. Well, it was dedicated open space. uh it wasn't developed open space like a park or something, but we said yes, if you'll build affordable housing and if you'll charge $400,000 for a unit and if you include your your affordable housing in Did I miss the number? 364 was the entry level. I meant the two stories were 39. >> Yeah, I was being conservative because I didn't really remember the exact number. Oh, it's me. Same material on handles. >> It was well done. But it was all it was it was all done through their business mantra is to not make it on profit margin but instead make their uh living on quantity which sounds like exactly what we need to do for affordable housing. But again it came with deed restrictions. So I went to a session Justin was there uh to hear South Jordan and others talk about the Park City, you know, they have affordable housing projects. South Jordan was very proud of a project they had done uh with deed restrictions that limit first of all for a possibility of uh workforce housing. deed restrictions that limit uh owner occupancy or require owny needed restrictions that limit appreciation of the so it remains affordable years right limit it to 2% anyway um I I kind of pitched this to this table of mayors too many mayors sitting at this table last night at this listening session and I would have thought that every one of those folks would have been against bigger government. But in fact, what we're talking about when the government gets involved in housing, especially when the government gets involved in deed restrictions, we're talking about an increasing role for government. And uh it's amazing how people got on board with that idea. Now, South Jordan spent a lot of time talking about like 12 units. Hey And so that's my take away from the leak. Um, and you you do this with development agreements and I've had my own fear of development agreements versus ordinance, but the development agreement has to has to has to be part to enforce the de restriction. That >> was probably my biggest shock discussion was to spiral into one. I developed an agreement. Yeah, it takes too long. We can't this has to be done >> which I was shocked. >> Well, it takes a long time to write the ordinance and then the beauty of development agreement. It can be context specific. >> Yeah. >> And the other takeaway I got from the Nilson discussion was cities if you want to make affordable housing and this is like a bait and switch. I'm not sure it's fair. Zone at low density. >> Yeah. >> And then densify it so that they can buy land at a low price because the low density is uh uh less worth less. >> Mhm. >> And then densify it at the development agreement stage. Now people that live next to that might not like it. >> Yeah. like that was supposed to be zoned this and now once you're doing this thing to so I think an infill project that might be different >> okay >> is those numbers do they equal the definition of the affordable housing act is 360 of the affordable housing >> yeah it depends on the area median income so They do >> for 80% AMI about there >> 30% including utilities median income >> it's around 2,000 a month really which seems high to me but >> I couldn't afford that right Okay, >> I think I'm good. I just just thank you for the opportunity to go to the league. I I don't know if I have a whole lot more to add than what was already said. I I did I did go to a again on the topic of housing. I I went to a session on some communities that have done some innovative things with with their ordinance for housing that was pretty inspiring. kind of going above and beyond just the state requirements which I think we've done in in Nibi as well in different ways but I mean Ephraim was there, Mil Creek um talked about things they were doing and I forgot who the third one was but so interesting takeaways there and things we might want to consider. Um might you Cash Summit? >> Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. The Cash Summit is uh coming up. Format's a little different this year. It's a little expanded. They're going to be doing a tour um as where uh I don't I don't quite know exactly the sites they're going to be visiting, but there's there's going to be a tour portion and then kind of an evening training on Monday. And then um and then the next day is kind of more the traditional format from about 8 to 3 um of of the the conference there. So if any of you are interested in all or a portion of it, please let me know and I'll get you signed up. Love to have you there. It's it's you know it's not not too expensive or anything. And I I think other than it being a good kind of training opportunity, it's also a good opportunity to uh network with some other communities around the the valley. So just let me know. >> Thank you.

12 West. I don't know if you have any questions, but I gave you an update kind of during the workshop there on the well. They're down to 400 ft. Not on the 12 West. Well, they're down to 400 feet, but the crew got sick and they haven't been drilling at all this week. So, >> were they drinking the water? Good question. They're expecting to take the next two weeks after this week to get down to that 600 foot level and we should start seeing some development of that. Well, we had a meeting with the designer of the wellhouse and we're hoping to have a bid package ready to advertise for construction bids in January of next year. Hopefully get that constructed throughout next year as well. And then Ridgeline City Park or Nibbly City Center Park, excuse me. I've been coordinating with Daryl Anderson Construct DWA. We're still refining final scope and I don't start date yet, but they are convinced that they'll be able to get most of it done through the spring before our July deadline for the new ladies transfer protections. I've also been communicating with the ARC, which is American Ramp Company. They're building the bike ramp with that. We made application with you or I can't remember what the grant application, but we're hoping to get that second phase of phase two. $600,000 to help with the construction of that phase two and have that all done. >> Phase two of the bike track. >> Phase 2 B of the bike. Thanks for that. Any questions for me? around 7 o' um the election is November 4th. >> Is he gonna wear Is he coming in uniform? >> I hope so. >> That'd be great. with the guns. >> They'll be moderating and then our council will actually be assisting in the question selection. Um uh election day is November 4th. Ballots have started arriving in mailboxes. Um Mr. Feer was very concerned about receiving his ballot and I didn't verify that he's leaving. It's Tuesday. I'm sure he was. He's good. Um uh I think we do this every um municipal election year, but we do need to hold an additional meeting to canvas the election. Cash County has asked that we hold that meeting on November 18th, which is the day before the deadline to canvas the election. I believe that's a Wednesday. It be very very short. It's just you acting as the board of canvasers have to accept the uh results of the election. the 18th. The 18th, Tuesday, I went wrong direction. Um I'll I'll send out a couple of proposed dates and if you'll just get back with me about which ones, but the county has asked that we hold that on the pen. Um remember our stupa November 6th. Um which council members have been to that? I know Aaron has. Was it? It's good food, right? That's so much food. Yeah. Well, it's it's just our staff that we kind of like and it's really look forward to each and every year. We are going to throw in data data privacy trend because that is a big requirement data privacy >> exciting >> section of our state but that that'll be like an eight minute train. Please join us and enjoy some exceptional food. bring muffin in because you're gonna want to try all the suits and that's way to get smaller. >> The sixth. Yes, that's all. >> Oh, truck. Maybe Justin has that. >> Yeah, that one's on my list. Trucker Tre is October 30th, 4 to 6 at Heritage. If you remember, our public works put that on last year. They just bring out a bunch of equipment and a lot of candy to give out to kids. So that will be happen in Heritage this year instead of here. Uh to answer Nathan's questions about the indoor recreation, we do apologize. We had a misunderstanding and communication with our attorney. We missed some trigger windows that we needed to hit on having the public hearing tonight. So we're rectified that we have schedule. We have public notices going into the newspaper and we should have that public hearing at the next meeting. So we we apologize for that. That was Turns out that it's extra notification on both spirits. Yeah. >> So, we we apologize against that. And on other related news, we did go Chad and I went to Wellsville City Council meeting just this week. We had a great discussion with them, explained to them where we're at with the whole study, where we're at with our resolution, and they indicated that they would be willing to discuss and consider a resolution at their next meeting. So, we're going to get with Eric and try to make sure that Eric can make that meeting and help them understand. Chad and I did our best, but it's better to hear from Eric and so they know for sure what they're doing and what they're getting into. So, moving forward there with Wellsville and I there was a meeting here that Oh, yeah. Go ahead. We posted that for everyone, especially people who might be running for positions to come about. >> Um, another quick one, the Nibly Spectacular Tour, the recreation department's Halloween decorating contest is in full swing. You got hopefully a flyer there if you want to participate in that and go take a look at the the decorations going on there. There's an interesting development going on with the state of Utah and charging fees for water usage. There's been a lot of back and forth, a lot of discussion and kind of two fees. The first one I don't think is a train that will be able to stop. It's rolling. Likely uh not going to be able to be stopped is 3 cents per thousand gallons. They want the us to charge our residents to send to the state to continue the drinking water division of drinking water programs. Making sure lead, copper, back tees, all the programs that were required to have good clean safe drinking water. They are concerned about the feds cutting their budget and not being able to keep those alive. So they are pushing forward with a three cent per 1,000 gallons of water. I believe all that's left is for the governor to sign it. Uh it's pretty far down the road. The other one is much larger. Uh it's looking for money to actually fund projects. So, this was a result of House Bill 280 that was passed last year and the year before really kind of I can't remember if the number changed or what, but this has been going on for a little while. This is our representative Casey Snider that is uh ahead of this this bill and they had a draft. So, it's still a draft study put out by Zans's public finance. They would like to see 60 cents per thousand gallons. >> That's pretty big. >> And and we currently are at a dollar. >> Yeah. We're kind we're about a dollar to a$150 per thousand gallons and then we want 60 cents for every thousand. Now that money is to go into a big pot that's called the unified water infrastructure plan. There will be a board of directors that decide who gets that money. It could be used anywhere in the state. They are recommending in the study to keep money local. So each river basin will kind of be its own little bucket and you know we would pay into the bear river river basin fund and that money would stay in the bear fund. So in this area to use for water well that now that's water and sewer projects but they're going to charge it based on your water bill. So 40 cents for the water 20 cents for the the sewer. So, that's that's really bubbling right now. That's hot off the press a week ago. Uh, if you want to get involved in that and get learn about it, feel free. I can send you a draft of the the the Z's public finance report if you'd like. Uh, the other thing just as we talked about early, you know, we really do have such an amazing staff. I hope that you guys take the opportunity to show that appreciation whenever you can. If you have the opportunity to say thank you or see guys out there working, I know they'd appreciate it and we can show that. Any way that you can show you appreciate how awesome our staff is, I would I would appreciate because I can only say so much and they get sick of hearing it from me. So, if there's any chance you have that opportunity and with that, we've had a few kind of incidents over the last little while in particular, but never never hesitate to send a citizen to me. I don't know why some I don't know why citizens don't seem like they willingly come to me to handle issues or deal with things. But please don't hesitate. If there is a citizen that's just pushing and pushing and driving about something, by all means, don't stop talking to them, but please feel free to include me. Help. Let me try to help and do whatever I can to solve that problem or to ease their issues and do whatever I can. Uh now with that said, our entire staff is has that same desire to help and do everything we can, but it's it's important that we try to keep I don't I don't know what else say other than chain of command. Just please make sure I'm in the loop with that what's going on so that I can help understand things and make sure the prior priorities are happening in order. staff sometimes they're going to jump if you tell them to do it and it might not be the best case and best situation to do. So, I'm just asking, you know, kind of reminding everybody to please, you know, keep me in the loop there. Make sure I'm CCed on things that go to the staff so that we can just kind of keep it organized, keep it straight and all on the same page. So, I would just really appreciate that. And my last thing is that I will be gone for a lot of November. I'm going to be leaving November 12th and likely gone for two, maybe two and a half weeks. So just be aware of that. I should be in and out of phone service. I have a satellite transmitter that'll text and things like so I won't be completely out of service, but just know that I won't be around and easily accessible. So that's all. Any questions for me? >> Thanks, Justin. Anything else for the council? Seeing that the