Nibley City Council- 5/28/26

I'm moving to the right of I'm moving out first baseline to try to get into that angle and then she went left after she crossed the plate probably to try to not hit me. Yeah. And, you know, I'm looking at second base, and I'll it's a boom. Laid out flat. I'm glad there was no play at second. No. Okay. Look. I was I was being No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No The correct time and the correct place before we call the Nicholas City Council meeting on May twenty eighth quarter, I guess it's my turn to try to do some opening ceremonies. It's interesting when different parts of our lives cross in intersections, and I wanna tell you about recently, I went to a college of engineering and industrial advisory committee meeting. So this is a requirement for the college of engineering to be a president. They have to have people in the industry help them set curricula, help them create students that, will come out of the College of Engineering and be a a viable value for the engineering society. The dean started the meeting with what's on the top of your mind. And there was lots about people that are still practicing engineering. I'm tired of engineering. They should probably keep me off the court. But when I started, they they had these talk about with the uncertainty of business community and just, you know, stuff that private companies and public companies deal with. And my concern was I'm worried that we are, as engineers, not being effective in helping policymakers make calls. And I'm not gonna talk about as I and I didn't then talk about any specific examples or take any side on issue. I'm not I'm not even gonna say a single topic that I think engineers are not engineers and scientists are not bringing physics into policymaking because it will it will separate. It'll it'll make a bipolar discussion right off the bat. And we'll we decide and say, well, the engineers decide still don't know what we're talking about. And others, I would say, yeah. We have to pay attention to that, and we're not. There was an example, though, in local news that came up recently. And I'm gonna I'm gonna show maybe why engineers don't make good policy makers by trying to explain that to you and see how long you hold that holds your interests. Data data center in Box Elder that has been hot. Right? I believe there's a fundamental problem with both sides both sides having the physics be part of the policies. I think that the proponents of that are slow coming out with talking about what the physics and what the science and engineering say the impact will be. And I think the other side is actually using lack of knowledge of physics and science to trying to kill the deal without even explaining the science. Great example, newspaper from Salt Lake City that I like to read had a whole article on. This data center is going to consume nine gigawatts of could consume nine gigawatts of power, which is twice the total electricity consumed by the state of Utah in one year. So that's a nonsensical statement because one is a unit of power, the rate at which energy is con converted or consumed, and the other one is a unit of energy. Now if I tell you that I have a 750 watt motor on my bike, my electric bike, that doesn't tell you anything about how much it cost me to ride the bike, what my carbon footprint does on that bike, how many gallons of gas I could be putting in a car to ride that bike because the impacts to the environment, the impacts on there there was a there was a talk about heat islands in this article, so on. Those are all concerned with how much energy will be consumed by that. So but telling you I have a a how to use a car. 300 not my car. A 200 horsepower car, this is gonna tell you how many gallons of gas I use or how much it costs to drive that car unless you know how often I'm using that car. It's a lot and so forth. So the engineers need to do a better job. Tom, I'll get to you in a minute. Yeah. Don't be I'll see you later. Now I'll come back to Natalie. For us, we need to have the right size pipes. We need to have the right size roads. We need to have the right size traffic configurations. We have the right size safety. That's all those are all engineering decisions. And I would say, Tom, you do a great job. This isn't about you tonight, but thank you for the great job you do with helping us as policymakers bring physics into the into the discussion so that we can understand. K? Still looking at him. So I'll stop talking in. What does it say to the pledgeables? I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America

and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible,

with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. And with that, we'll call the May 28 Midway City Council meeting to work. And, let's Randy, we start us with a roll call, please. Randy Smallen.

Yeah. And Scott.

Aaron. Aaron Mann. Larry Jacobson. Levi Robert, City Planning.

Justin. Justin.

Carol Ronald, please.

Just to introduce city staff, we have

We have city treasurer, Lee Ealson, public works director.

Chad. And you're Chad. Right? Patricia. Thank you. It it it's like, you know, you can see people every day, and when you say their name and

Who is it?

We don't have video today on YouTube. Correct?

No. Yeah. Just but we do we do have audio well, we have audio and then whatever's on the screen. We just don't have video of the of us.

Yeah. So if our founders and followers on YouTube think we look different, it's we'll have what's on screen and the audio. Counsel, let's talk about minute meeting meeting minutes from last meeting. Adam, maybe if you've had a chance to review that. Okay. Motion to approve. Okay. Motion from Nick. Second from Randy. Thank you, Cheryl. Great job. Appreciate it. The motion is to approve minutes from our last meeting. Any discussion? Seeing none of those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. A for tonight's agenda. We did publish an agenda for the public and for you that has changed. Since then, you could you could you the agenda that is in front of you tonight and on the board doesn't mean it it it adds a library board employment to the higher library. So that's one change. And then we removed the 1200 West. What safety safety discussion from the consultants we have working on that because they're not able to to come tonight. So we'll pick that up another time. And I'm going to suggest another couple of changes. Thank you, Levi, for helping point this out. I'm going to suggest we remove items ten and eleven from tonight. That's zoning agreement and also a zoning request. Tell me if I get it right. The proponent has the problem request for the zoning to R 2 A and has to not have it.

That's correct.

No. Oh, it's still for us. We we talked about it a bit. So you can leave it on the agenda if you want, but we probably won't speak quarterly time on.

Is there any commentary to that or if it's not commentary?

Not not really specific. They just requested to withdraw their application.

Because they realized they couldn't do

Well, yeah, they did they did they did say that that they realized they couldn't do an open space subdivision with R 2 A, and they they wanna look into doing open space subdivision. There are two. So but that's

So that's not on tonight? That's not on the agenda.

We don't yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, that's a little context, but it's at the end of the day, they just yeah. They went through their application.

If that's all through, that's a that's a great step.

Thank you.

And approve, Ravi. Okay. Okay. Motion from Eric. Second from who needs Eric? K. Thank you. Any discussion on the motion to approve it or not? Seeing none, who's in favor? Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? K. Unanimous for in favor of no opposed. This is a chance for public comment. We appreciate it if you're here to speak to us tonight. We do have a couple of public hearings. If you're here to talk about something related to the public hearing and if you can wait for the public hearing, it might be better for the council to hear that in the context of the public hearing. But that doesn't that doesn't eliminate anyone from coming up and talking to the council about anything they would like to discuss, hopefully, germane to Nibley City. Anyone like to address the council? K. We'll close the generic public comment period and take a planning and zoning commission report from.

Yeah. So the planning commission held a joint meeting with city council, and it was it was on residential zoning. So there was there was good discussion held there. There's some questions on, you know, which way to go, but but they're good good ideas and a few points of research that need to be done kinda following up on that. And we can we can talk a little bit more about it potentially during the budget discussion on on what direction to go there.

Yeah. Those are the that was a joint meeting as you said. Say council, and I appreciate councils all there. Both counts. I just wanna see if they okay. Staff reports. Steve, you wanna talk about public works? I'm not actually giving me an email tonight. Just the office needs tomorrow. It's the public works appreciation food truck roundup. So hope you guys some fun activities and engage the community

and explain.

And if you have a chance to go out and do those scavenger hunts,

we're typically like and get a little

prize in mind to get get them all done. So under the gals of the food, we're treating. So following up website. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. I'm getting a deal of information for a bit. A little thing or some of the things that public works does is. Yeah. Next thing is so with a lot of consultation taking place across the state of Utah, you're involved or clean by that. This is the staff. He really has come up with today to help us look at our property to help conserve water. We're happy to share all information with you rather than I'm through all of this. I didn't think you'd like to see it, but so we decided that we're in phase two. So phase two is just a moderate shortage, and then we broke that down into tiers. We have a tier one, tier two, tier three, and tier four. So tier one is, you know, our athletic bills, things like that, but, you know, it's still day after, but we will reduce the water rate to 70 to 90% on this. So they'll still be actively playable.

There's a there's a list of them that we have that we can share with you as well.

Tier two is high end tractor graphs, demand gathering places. So this here is reduced to seven to 80%, and you could see some grass spots. Grass still came dormant in the summertime even though it's dead, it's still it's still fine. Tier three is low use and passive turf grass. So this is gonna be reduced 50 to 60%. So we, you know, we could cease discoloring there. Like I say, there again, we have these broke down into what areas it's competing. And terrible work or low fiber or this is an actual arm pillow. These are really gonna get it in So it would sure, you know, so we don't fire this. So I think this I'm gonna I'm gonna jump in to see how long we wanna talk about this because I'm an off damsel at all. I think this is a great example of physics in being put into policy. Right? Physics are we've got a little water here. There's only so much water. That's the reality of the physics. We have to admit that. Now how how we deal with that lack of water, I think, becomes a policy discussion. Right? And and you've helped us talk about some predefined tiers that can be implemented. And we we can go on about it tonight, but I'm wondering if the council's interested in hearing about in a in a future agenda if it's not too late to be talking about it, what some of these policy discussions are, and some of these mitigation strategies are because of the low low snowfallage. Is that interesting? And that doesn't mean you couldn't ask Steve questions now.

Yeah. I think that's very interesting, and I think it'd be important. I and I think people are gonna naturally

say, why is the park brown? Right? Like, I think it's getting ahead of the two of just get some information out there on the buzz just to help alleviate some questions. So if you're gonna get asked Yeah. We've we've been

we've been putting things out on Facebook, which you can't proceed about out of space. You know, what we can do to,

know, minimize

and help with this. So what's been our pulse is we can educate the citizens of

they don't have to be green to be

to be the grass service for us to enjoy. And that's kinda the direction we're gonna go with. That was just encourage them, maybe change some of the habits that we have. Change some expectations. Okay.

I didn't actually read there, but I heard there was a Herald Journal article about higher ups in his past. I mean, they can be red and eat single one in their other one. Was that correct? Then we finish that. So, I mean, I I would love that for this conversation about we're talking policy,

what policy you would set from our citizens as well, not just. Yeah. It fits right in.

That's a call to see if that's something that we

want to apply to BioMoxiti or

Yeah.

Physics will broaden that. It's a lot of things we have. Yeah.

So

And and, Steve, I think it's actually leadership to cut back on the waters and lead by example. That's why I think I have a problem with Mark's looking a little bit around the sense. I mean, I I don't have any whatsoever for nimbly heritage days. We can get that a little bit over there with the. Yeah. We're gonna be

up to a lot of time. We're gonna you know, the areas that we're gonna be involved with. Well, those high traffic areas that are visible.

Thank you, Justin.

Thank you, Steve. Justin, let's talk about that for an agenda. Okay. Yeah. I'm pretty good to my alright. It'll be fine. So Thanks, Justin. Thank you. Next, we have a consideration for the council resolution twenty sixteen. This would be consenting to an appointment of Nibley City's representative to the higher library board. Paul, we all remember Randy might be new to you. We can get a representative. We are allowed in the city by contract. We're allowed a representative to serve on the higher up library board. As I understand it, the board is a recommending body to the current city council. Nevertheless, it's nice to be in the discussion. So Andrea Mon has done a great job of serving Nibley over a number of years. And tonight, I'm asking for consent of Jan Leachman. It's two n's on Jen, so we probably ought to fix the resolution that way. We'll we'll be Jen, I'll let you reach her her qualifications.

A librarian at South Cache

class at the USU on libraries. I think she'll be do a great job over it.

Verify just real quick. Because it kinda happened so fast, I didn't get the opportunity to invite her to come tonight for you to meet her, but she certainly would be more than willing in the future when she gets her feet on the ground and knows what's going on a little bit to come back and give report and update. So just because the short notice wasn't able to get her here tonight, but she would have liked to have been.

Yeah. We'll look forward to the report.

Mary, good morning to the group. Religion twenty six sixteen.

Motion from Eric. You for for approval on,

twenty six sixteen, according to Jan to the hiring library board discussion.

Just a question, please. I mean, you were you served on the board prior to this Or no. Have you ever served on this board? Excuse me. This is a confusing topic. I'm actually recently appointed to the county county library

Mhmm. Which is the county library is shutting down. Right. And so if if you wanna kill something, I guess you My question

Simply, is this is this person that's sort of on this board? Like, I mean, they they're their information gathering, maybe they're getting everything. Like, what typically do we get

throughout the year to understand? Like When when I talked to Jan, it was for her appointment that's a great question. I I said, I think your job is to help HireVim make the best library ever made because our business benefit from that as a as a user of that library. And I said, yeah. There's political stuff going on about, you know, the a recent change about how we paid the fee to the library, to to the higher library. There's there's a moving foot to figure out what to do with the building in Providence, owned by Providence that was operated by the county. And if there's you know, that obviously is a hole. And going to a couple of county library board meetings, there's people very disappointed to see that county library in Providence go away. I told Jen, I I sought her pass to help make the best hiring library that'll benefit Nibley residents and let us worry about the politics. Let us worry about the house. And let us worry about what it's you know? I I think she should be in a she should be in their gung ho. Let's make a great library. And, you know, at some point, we're gonna we have a contract in place for the next four years, the entire library. So that's that's there are ways out of that if you want out of that. We can talk about ownership. We can talk about ownership. But I think those I don't think those are the discussions I need to have Jan take to the library board. I'm looking forward to having those discussions with Jan, but with the city council. That Yep. Is that what you're after? So, yeah, all those things are great policy and great to talk to Jan about, I think, her job on the board. Okay. Any other comments, questions? K. If there's no opposition to voting, seeing none, we'll vote on adopting 26 of Steve. Those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Under any opposed? Four in favor, not opposed. Thank you very much. Okay. Little more physically. Every year, we consider a resolution to establish a lot of fireworks within Italy. Justin, I'll let you instead of not here again, I'll let you set up this if Yeah. Can we maybe back up? Do we need to waive a second read on that last one?

I think that was included in the motion. The resolution.

So I'm gonna ask the senate to reconsider any opposition to reconsidering, and that means we can revise the adopt motion.

K. Motion to approve resolution twenty six sixteen. Wave second reading. Thank you, Cheryl. Thank you, Nick. And

and we can't we can't leave Erin out of this off. I I was the second to the twenty six sixteen. Now we have a dollar roll. And they say bureaucracies are inefficient.

Vanderland, what is your in favor?

In favor. In favor.

In favor. Yeah.

So that's the motion that will stand. Thank you for your votes. Four in favor, none of those.

Now we're ready. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you. So every year, the county is required to pull up the map of areas in the county to them. Fireworks have been prohibited in. So this is a pretty normal standard thing that we do every year. Historically, we have just made the highway our boundary and said every anything east of the highway is prohibited. So that's what's being presented for you. Happy to have any discussion there

about it, but pretty pretty standard.

So Is there a reason why we're gonna just make this

resolution as finding and perpetuity?

That's a great question. I mean, we could look into that. Just make the fifteen minutes every year. Yeah. That's a good question. I'll look into that.

I haven't asked people not happy about the council adopting incident test. The discussion went, why are we being penalized for being east of they're not my neighbors. Someone else. He's still at highway. And I said, Millville and nobody else does this. We looked up the Millville resolution, and they do do it. He's still at highway because it's a recommendation really from from someone who knows more physics about buyers than I do. Probably it's also has broke. So that's a great question, Al, Shala. We can find out. No problem. And, I mean, if if the recommendation from who's making the recommendation?

The fire county fire? UE or somebody? Cache County Fire Department. Cache County Fire. In the past, I haven't even talked to him about it this year just because we we just do it and turn it in.

It's like if they change the recommendation about where the prohibition would start and that it probably wanna bridge that. So that's that's the thing in here.

Just for clarification, this is all fireworks or just hearings? All fireworks.

Yeah. And I've discussed in the past about how do we enforce this. It's very difficult to enforce. It's more about saying liability if somebody causes a a bad hire. The other night to put out the citation. Yeah. It deems. Make a motion

to approve resolution twenty six twelve and Porto's second reading.

K. Motion from there. Second from Nick. You pick up. The motion is to approve the twenty six twelve prohibition on fireworks City and to waive city. Any obvious for voting? Let's do it. Please call the roll. Thank you. Been talking about and taken recommendations from the planning commission, revising location, setbacks, etcetera, etcetera, about existing buildings.

So leave it. Yeah. I assume you just want an update from from first reading. You're happy with an update.

Yeah.

Yeah. So I, based on the discussion and the fur during the first reading, made some adjustments to the language. There really isn't any changes to the policy. It's just the way it's organized and and just just added clarity. So, for example, there just there's a there's a suggestion to kinda separate the accessory buildings that require a building permit from those that do not require a building permit. So within the section there and I I just I just pulled up the the language on the screen. There's there's those two sections there and then just sub bullets on what applies if they do or if they do not require a building permit, which it it was a little bit confusing before. You know, I think that was pretty much it that staff changed. I know there were some other there were there was other discussion from the council, but there wasn't any specific direction or motions made on other potential additions or subtractions from this. So that that's what's in front of you today.

Yeah. I'm thank you for taking our discussion and doing this Yep. To the text. Turn it to you, counsel.

Eric? I I sent this one. I didn't send it to him to leave. I don't mean it. So let me just call it through this

b one. Mhmm. It has a 15 foot. Right?

Then we go down with the chart. Well, it says 20 feet.

Is that a contradiction or

clear?

No. So the 15 feet is the threshold at which you're required to get a building permit. 20 feet is the maximum height. Period. So for for for an access for an accessory building in general, the maximum height is 20 feet. If it's over 15 feet, you need a building permit. So that's the difference between those two thresholds. I know there was some discussion on bringing this chart into another chart that's in the it's in a different section of the code that that isn't in front of you today, but, you know, we could we could do that if if you think that's appropriate. I was just reminded of that when you pointed to this chart.

Yeah. That's not what's in front of us. We could is there I don't remember well. The land use chart that talks about setbacks and all those other stuff, does it refer to this section of code on accessory buildings? I'm catching up, Garar. Yeah. I can pull it up. I

I don't know if it points to this section of code, but it does speak to setbacks, and I think it might overlap on the height limits as well. So I can I can pull that up real quick?

Garrett, do you understand that it's in the May 15 and you think it's clear? I was just gonna see what

is there an error on the chart? It's verified.

So So which which text are you referring to? B one?

Yeah. B one's at 15 feet down in the bottom. We were remember, we're hoping to specify the meltdown. But that table was for building accessory dwelling units with building beds.

Yeah. So b one says accessory buildings in excess of 15 feet in pipe. Must be painted building. And then independent of that, the the chart says the maximum building height for accessories is 20 feet, and it's different depending on your lot size. Right.

Yeah. So there to to the question before, there is some overlap with this with this chart in nineteen point twenty two. It doesn't conflict, but it does overlap with with that the chart in in nineteen twenty four zero six zero. So and that's this height maximum accessory buildings. I don't I don't know if that's really a problem. It's in two places. They say the same thing different ways. We we have to remember to change it. Yeah.

Yeah. I think the task for what we're trying to do is people want to put a tool shed in their yard. They wanna follow the law. They wanna follow code. And test this. Could a person that those in Italy pick up our code and understand code?

Right. So it's on three a. It says accessory buildings that do not require building permits shall not be built within the mid and front yard setback. But, Brian, where are the where does it say the back and side yards, or do we need to do you have to go to that other chart to know how far would the fence to the backyard would put?

So there is no restriction on the side yard except that you can't direct water from the roof onto adjacent property.

So it's granting permission without explicitly saying what's required and what's not allowed, but it it and and this isn't a plan. So it's you know, the expectation of somebody reading this is, well, I don't need a billing permit from another part of the code, and the front guard setback is enforced. Doesn't say anything about side guard rear yard, so there's no restriction.

But it doesn't

quite say there's Yeah. You could add you could add a statement that says there there is no minimum setback.

That's the point we're so we still where put this shit here in the middle of my yard.

And and that's because we'll outside.

Yeah. This is less restrictive.

Mhmm.

But you could add that if you don't think that's clear. I mean, it is to me, but I'm I'm looking at I'm looking at this every day.

25% of where you are. We we care percentage of this. It seems like a formal thing to try to figure out with this.

I don't I don't know if I do, but that's up to you. That's been in code for a while. It wasn't what Thirty years. Yeah. It it in my experience, it hasn't really come into play because of all the restrictions on setbacks. Yeah. And and, generally, in Nibley, most most properties have quite a bit of rear yard. If you actually measure the square footage of the rear yard, it's it's quite a bit. And and there's already restrictions on the size of each accessory buildings on this chart. So, like, if it is a smaller like, let's say it's a quarter acre property, they can only build a thousand square foot building anyway. So I don't know if it's necessary personally, but it it is one more thing to have to try to figure out. I I can I usually in in reviewing these because I, you know, I review the zoning clearances for these? I usually come to the conclusion really quickly that they're not covering 25% of the rear yard. But

if Right. No. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

And just have have one more layer of either difficulty frustration.

Yeah.

The reason I dropped it. We had an open space in, like, the tool shed or something out there.

But that was the whole point of the townhome. She didn't have to have it. I didn't have to have all those too.

I had a tool shed in the townhome I lived in.

Listened about that, Lomen. You have something to say. I just was looking at the the chart

in that week. And I'm trying to picture a 20 foot tall shed on a lot over at Rich over here. Point five acre lot. Right? I just don't know. The scale just seems a little bumpy. Twenty twenty foot tall shed on a small lot. Zero it says zero to 40,000 square. Basically, zero to 8.32

acres. Does

it make sense that we allow a 20 foot tall shed on an 8,000 square foot? That just seems like we kinda talked a little bit about this in the last meeting where I feel like this is a good positive direction, but then also you have to think about, like, the papers to an extent, right, where it's like now is this 20 foot tall shed gonna cast a shadow on somebody's garden. Right? And as then as lots get smaller, those outlets get greater. What if it's a five by five Well that's 20 feet tall? Yes. That I think are square feet. Yeah. I'm just I'm just wondering, like, is there an is there an appetite to try and include more breakouts from the zero to 4,000? Let's do a step. Like, maybe we could put it in small lots of 12 feet tall.

It's So to be clear, if someone wanted a 20 foot high accessory building, the building permit would be required. Yeah. Okay. Building permits required, but it would be not there's side difference. Yeah.

Right. That does And that's gonna be 10 feet. So if it's over 15 feet in height, has to be 10 feet That's right. Yeah. From from the side yard. And I think that does mitigate that.

Yeah. I'm right on the that scale of me.

You

know? Yeah. Not the.

It's pretty close to the other.

Yeah. And the house is the house in general would be 40 feet in height in pretty much every zone.

Yeah.

Balance. Bring it to the smaller box. Yeah.

Okay.

It doesn't matter. We can't ask. We can't ask.

Let's tell me the. And if you wanna approve early in the police report and

for a second meeting.

Second. Let's see. We did a first reading. Well, this is for second reading, but as as presented without without a. Thank you. K. Now I have a motion to approve as presented. I'm preparing my second, probably, and discussion on at least You know, maybe if you could offer an amendment for I'll I'll give you some words on the first thing we were talking about. You guys can decide whether think we actually needed three a. Perhaps. You don't have to write it down yet. See what the council says. But I'm allowed to make a motion to amend, so you know what I'm talking about. I'll go ahead with the motion to amend. There are so add this sentence on three a. There are no side yard and rear yard setback requirements or accessory billings that do not require a rebuild for that. It's Or it is redundant. It's maybe else or maybe enough. Is there a second on the motion? K. So motion from me, second here. Let's talk about that amendment.

Like, I'm all in favor of being cleared for our residents. So I think that's that

that was and then, of course, you know, wordsmithing from the bench. So so read three again in its entirety to make sure you're okay. Any opposition to voting on the amendment? Seeing none, those in favor of the amendment as on the screen, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Great. Thank you. Nick, what do you wanna do about about fifteen,

fifteen? I I just yeah. I just closed the question. Yep. Fair enough. I just think anyway, we may this just may be a thing where we don't have to tell you anything. Right?

We picked our PSS. Yeah. And this is probably why coordinates ends up being kind of conservative. It's because once it's in code, people will do it. And and then you can change the ordinance when you have to allow those up legally nonconformal use that was in place when the shared money. Okay. Any other session that's is there anyone opposed voting? Seeing no opposition, let's do the role, please.

Council member, in favor. Council member himself?

In favor. Council member,

In favor. Council member, In favor. Council member,

In favor. In favor.

Thank you, sheriff. Thank you, counsel. I appreciate Levi and Planning Commission leaving me out on that. Four in favor, none opposed. Motion passes. Okay. Let's move to your first public hearing. This is on what's a required public hearing if we're going to change compensatory compensation of elected officials for department heads of municipal city. So before we open the public hearing, Justin, do you have some introduction

for us? Yes, sir. Let me use a second poll out Yeah. Or 13. This one? Yeah. You just scroll down to see the chart. Okay. Perfect. Alright. Thank you, mayor. As you recall or may recall, previous to two years ago, this used to be a requirement for council members and a few appointed officials. But a couple years ago, they've changed this law, made it so that all department heads and managers within the city salaries need to be part of this presentation, part of this ordinance. And so that's why some of you may remember it's a little expanded from what it was before. And so what it does is it sets the maximum allowed salary for each of those positions within the city. And this does not necessarily mean that this is what they are getting paid or will get paid, but just that it sets the max that they could be paid. This max was determined off of using the worth of work study that was approved two or three years ago where we paid the consultant to come in and help us analyze every position in the city compared to other positions across the state, of similar sized cities. And I can resend that data to you if you would like to see that spreadsheet. But multiple cities, multiple positions across the state and even Southern Idaho where we would compare this position and entry level position as a baseline for that position. And once we have the baseline set or the minimum, we established a 55% range. So for easy math, if the base was a 100,000, the maximum would be a 155. Did I say 55 or 50? Sorry. It's 55. So the max would be a 155 for that position. And so that's how the, minimums and the maximums are set for each position at Nibley City. And then what we've done as a policy at upon his recommendation and and, my recommendation is what we're trying to do is get people to the midpoint. If we can get people to the midpoint of that range in a five year window ish is kind of the what he termed as the golden handcuffs where you're paying people sufficiently that their desire to look for employment elsewhere is diminished greatly. And so that's what we're aiming to do is try to get everybody to where that midpoint is with this with this system and with what's set up. This does get us pretty close. Another year or two, we'll have most everybody at the midpoint or slightly above. So I think the total average between these and all of the other positions in the city, the average pay for performance rates this fiscal year is proposed at 2.6%. I think the model I showed you two and a half years ago had three. I'm not sure if that was a rounding error or if we're just a little bit ahead, but but that's how this was set and how what it is based on. So happy to answer any questions you may have. This also does include the COLA. So this includes the COLA and the paper forms.

Yeah. I see the mayor's not getting a pay for performance increase. Right. And it's a it's a little goofy because

we've decided sorry. I know I mean to cut you off there. It's a little goofy because we've said also said in policy just recently that colas we enact in July and pay for performance triggers in January. And so the the impact to the budget is a little less than what's shown here, but I want but I don't want to approve a higher salary than would roll over to the next year and not be approved yet. Does that make sense? So it's it's aimed high. It's set at the high mark. Even is that making sense? Am I clear?

Yeah. I won't repeat it then. Please. I mean, I think it's, you know, Katie, that point. I didn't do a debt to my occupation.

That's a big deal to get the big point. I get that. Is there a a rubric that is in place for each employee to reach worthy paper performance? I mean, is that is kind of assumed by the lawyer or is it, like, here's a measurement tool that you can

that you need to check off to receive this? So we what we sat down as a team and came up as a management team, and we came up with what we call core culture concepts. And we have interviews did I say that right?

No. What is for the commerce.

Core core

core Core culture conversations. Something very close to that where, essentially, we're sitting the supervisor and the employee are sitting down on a quarterly basis to have a meeting and have a discussion about at least one or two of those core concepts. And then at the end of the year, we reevaluate, look at all of those, how those plan, and kind of set at that point a recommendation for a percentage on the raise. So it's not super structured like a checkbox list that they have to do to get the raise, but there are these conversations and this improvement that needs to be shown to do so. Does that answer your question?

Yes. Okay. Thank you, Randy. With that, if we need more information before we go to the public hearing, let me know. And then and then save for sure all kinds of discussions about the policy maybe after we hear have a chance to hear from anyone who wants to speak about it there.

So so get or go ahead, Harry. I just need one question. Do we have a list of minimum and maximum

range of these positions? Yeah. I can show you that. It definitely exists. If you'd like me to bring it up on the screen, it might take me a second so I can.

Okay. Okay.

Any other information type questions? K. With that, Ben, I will open the public hearing and invite anyone who would like to speak to the council about this matter to come forward. Dwight, just don't put a date. Appreciate you being here. You you don't have anything to say. You found this public here. K. And there was a sign up sheet, but signing up is not required to speak. If you'd like to come forward, now is the time to do. Alright. Without a comment, I'll close the public hearing and then turn this same topic to stat in the form of a resolution to discuss calls. Well, let's see. To the staff. This is where the council sits there. This is where the staff sits. Thank you. To counsel. Speaking to my we're just having a discussion, or would you would you

Let's go. Motion.

Motion. I'm happy to start, you know, if you wanna start a discussion and move down the shop a little bit before you make a motion. Either way. Either way. Thank you. Since since since this is up for for first reading, it does help to have a motion to know how far it's going to get if if you make a motion to make a motion. Which which which is fine. We have plenty of time, Justin, right, to make this first reading motion.

Yes. We do. If you do

you can't pass the budget, though. If you decide to pass you can't pass the budget if you don't pass this. But but you could do all of that. But it's up for first reading as well. Second. Okay. Yeah.

So would you like to see the minimum and maximum, or would you like to see Yeah. Percent of midpoint?

Yeah. Just got a title.

Sorry. I don't. I just have names. I can tell you

titles if you like.

Yeah. The interesting one to me is the column k. That's highlighted was the the percent of midpoint. You can see that most people are slightly above that or getting really close to it. It's column k that's highlighted.

We've narrowed it a bit in that. I mean, that's about our things. It's kinda hard enough in what we do. Okay. No matter where they're at.

Well, the again, the idea is two to 5% a year to get into the midpoint, and then after that, substantially last at one or two. There is a few employees that were behind because I didn't go through this exercise before we passed this ordinance last year. And so those few employees actually kind of are at a disadvantage for the year and got a little higher of a bump this year than everybody else. So but the idea was to stick to the plan as close as possible. I don't know if that answers your question or helps. Again, this doesn't this is just showing

Oh, yeah. It does. Never mind. I

better push. Please go ahead. This is a this program for Nibley

was passed via an ordinance versus with the council. Is that what you're saying?

That's a good question. I don't know if it was passed by a resolution or an ordinance, but it was

presented and discussed and

No. I I don't I don't think the council is bound by this. Right. This was a strategy Yeah. To Yeah. Just to just take your pay It's not even the pain for it to to find the right level of compensation

or Yeah. Bully. I'm just I'm just clarifying myself as, like, it's like a law thing as far as, like or is it just a strategy? Yeah. Strategy. It was a lot of you guys. You're right. I knew that.

Please. I guess I could continue. I mean, I talked to Justin about for at least 50 some over the past couple of weeks of waiting, we do this and and talking to other people and other agencies, the state and county, city agencies that I know asking about that. Because one of the questions I didn't really ask last year is is is a call like something that's expected every year? And and maybe you wanted to ask that. You know, I remember very often at meeting, like, You said, no. It's not expecting that. It kinda seems to me that it won't be everything I've talked to in every way in government. Paul definitely seems to be pretty normal. I got on transparent in Utah and started comparing some of these things, you know, with your soft media, other cities and stuff. And I was a little surprised. I mean, for our mid twenty world to the mid twenty, but compared to the other city, we're either doing a better job there. Very little higher than some. I'm surprised with ex Smithfield. Then we're hiring some of those areas. I mean, they have they were, like, double the size of this. And so and then the other thing I was asking you about earlier is is there is there a cap, which you told me, yes, there is. Because that was one of the questions I have is is there ever a cap, or does it just get to where, you know, we have 2 and £300, you know, on the same over time. But, I guess, inflation determines more of that.

Yeah. As far as the pay for performance, yes. There that cap is capped. Yeah. But it the without the range moves with the colon. The the range? The range moves with the colon.

Yeah. And then all of the concern you know, this is one that I just found, Jessica. I think I had slept. I mean, I had headaches trying trying to wrap my head around all of this and raising taxes in a time when, you know, you know, the school district's raising theirs. We had to raise all the other fees, like water and garbage and everything else because that's all about it and all the contracts. I mean, I I know I've talked to a couple of elderly people in our city, and they're just really feeling pinched when we just add to this, you know, because it's just in what way, you know, do we go, okay. We may not sell our house because we can't pay the taxes. And maybe that's not our concern. Maybe it's just you can remove it. This is a really hard subject because we really appreciate staff and love staff. They have to do a great job. So it's really hard that for me in in my mind to balance this whole thing because it's so foreign to me until I came to the city council. I know I deal with this in planning commission because it it it doesn't exist in the, like, the private sector work that I've been. And then they there's no such thing in the call. And so I've been you know, I reached out to at least at Cytiva and Thermo and Epic Farms and these are the been trying to present

all work there. I'm like, okay. You guys did.

How do you guys do that? You're all to get the formative space, basically, and just have most of that semiannual review in which you can bump your heart rate if you did a good job. Or if you did a new job, meaning responsibility is increased, obviously, you need to pay differential. And so I I'm really struggling with this because I really don't have people more to raise taxes.

And

Yeah. I think the unfortunate part about that is in according to the tax impact statement, yeah, the COLA is part of the tax impact because that's what's flexible. The real problem we're having is our fire and our nine one one and our shares contract and all those other things. So if we didn't have a fire issue going right now, we'd probably even be talking about a tax increase. And there's

actually

that's what it is. It's just unfortunate. Right? There's things we have to pay for, and that's what I had built into the budget and things that are potentially possible flexible. That's what's kind of before Easter night. So, really, this thing kinda takes care of two things, and I don't know exactly how you wanna split it apart or if you can split it apart. It's kind of a cart for the horse or egg and chicken thing with the budget. You know? The current budget is built with the pay for performance, but not oh, excuse me. The the current budget with the tax increase that you guys have seen includes both. So if if we say just no thanks on the tax increase, nothing, then the 3% cola would come off of that. Does that make sense?

What is the to to your point, I'm trying to divert from the sum of what I what I wanna see is the sum, I guess, of column the last column, the annual increase. Now that includes COLA and performance. Yeah. They're kind of 3% COLA, two and a half percent average Yeah. COLA. Performance. Okay. Okay. I think just 12 yeah. Sorry. I don't have that's in a word document on the spreadsheet. I don't know. It's stupid. $40,000? 50? Where you at? Just in the kids. I'm trying to set the I'm trying to I don't want anyone to set sell the house either, But I also understand that we have to provide fire protection for that house, and we have to provide EMS to people that fall off their bikes and need help in the time of a medical emergency.

I think it's 81.

81? Let's do that. Yeah. That's good.

Okay. I pay us. I was only halfway there. So 81,000

is the annual increase, probably about half that is. Cola, probably about half that is. So thank you. That's a good number to have. If we look at the details of the budget, you know, we're we're going from we're going we're going from we're increasing to a hostile fire protection by a factor of three. We don't have a choice. And we're and and we have been getting a good deal on it with, you know, to our friends in Hirev, they've been they're correcting what has been a incredibly good deal for us, and that's also the case on EOS. So, you know, we're going from about we have $354,100,000 dollars increase to protect people's homes from fire to provide EMS. The just, you know, talk about things we have to do.

And and, you know, the only thing I've been talking to different entities, I think that seems to be flexible based on the city and county and call out because that definitely varies depending on who you talk to and which and and which kind of entity.

That's security. Oh, that you know, in Japanese.

Oh, I guess I'm just curious about finding a pick up three. We had three last year. I mean, it's I think it was a couple of it before that.

So this is a spreadsheet that was put together by the the HR Association across Utah. So I don't think you can zoom in on those. Kinda see what other cities

are doing for I mean, to zoom what was in

there.

The colos look like that. I think they're ranging from, like, two five up to six five. The colo and then Merit. Merit looks

like it's going too fast. I can't see. Sorry. I was gonna go to the top and then come back.

North Logan's figure. So at the end of hey. It's cold. At the end, it it's tied to the consumer price index.

Right?

So at the end of April, the consumer price index, which measures inflation, for the last twelve months was 3.8%. So if we talk about cost of living increase, then you look at data to say what was the increase in the cost of living, and that's what the Bureau of Labor Statistics tracks in terms of inflation. So For someone to say that there is no inflation, it's wrong. And we're all building it. Yeah. And and I and I hear that. I'm not gonna go any further on it. But for someone to say inflation and affordability has been solved this war

So this this is what you're Just a couple of questions or couple of thoughts. This one? You know, nobody is in the city. Many English room can make a lot more, you know, kind of, sadder. I do believe that. I think sometimes and I'm I'm new to this. I look at this and just say, I just need a couple of questions. How often do we offer up to a 5% raise a year? We help them. It's my first program. So how long do we do this? I know kind of all of, I think, should be absolutely standard. We should not have we should always be we should do with inflation minimum. I do believe that. So how long do we do the the five

week whatever we said? Again, so it depends on where you're at, where where your money so every single year, we look at we've only done this too. Right? Every year, we look at it. Are they less than the midpoint? What does it take to get them to the midpoint? If it's more than five, like, they're getting they're getting about five. Okay. And and it just depends on until you get to your midpoint is when it starts to slow down. Now I can tell you previous to that, and the reason we implemented this is because the system we had before this was 5% pay for performance every single year with the cola. Till you reach the cap.

Yep.

And that was I mean, we were seeing I mean, I know this looks like a lot, but we were seeing much higher percentage increases back then, and that's why we've implemented this is to try to curb that. And and and we're kidding. We're getting close to the point where, hopefully, that starts to slowly back down. Like I said, the model showed 3% this year. We're only at 2.6. Next year, it shows two, and then I think it's one after that forever.

And that does make sense. I think as as a citizen, you look at this and you say, wow. They're getting a 5% raise. Well, it it happens in where we're increasing the taxes percentage wise substantially. And it's the optics. It's just an optic. It doesn't look great. Yep. And so I wanted everyone to do that race. I do. And I think everyone in this room, they're doing a outstanding job. So it's just an object thing. It's just that sense to struggle.

Yeah. Yeah. I understand that. And and from from my personal I totally understand that. I totally get that. It's unfortunate with the way that things out. But for for me, there is no greater asset to us than our employees, and we have an amazing team that absolutely is fantastic. And and I I have I I'll stand up in front of anybody and argue whether our team is worth it and whether they deserve it because they do their their every they're fantastic, and they go well above and beyond doing what they're supposed to be doing. And I just I am unabashed about asking for this.

And I appreciate that. And my little bit's not here probably have a really new setup. So they are awesome. And we'll keep reports to that. For years, I watched Chad with wonders with the youth. I watched my kids grow up in that. I want Janet to receive his raise. Okay. And Steve and everyone. So it's just an object thing. It's a little I struggle with that knowing asking a lot for the citizens percentage wise. Now for my property taxes, the nettlety portion is not that great. What is the 18% of national property taxes goes to debt relief? It's not much, but it's something. And then so I just it's just a look.

I think for me, this is more of a it's a parallel way of big education thing for me. Like, my version of audio is the same. And mine, I work for everything. But, apparently, I need better HR reps. If this is a standard thing for a SME and how like, you're telling us, you guys have done your research and this is the model that auto needs to know. Right? Correct. Yeah. It's just kind of important to me, this kind of architecture. I think I need HRs. Nathan said Honestly, Nathan said this. Like this.

So Nathan works for the university. He said he said his exact same thing. Yeah. He's. And

so when I was reading this in the beginning, it's like, wow.

It seems like

pretty aggressive. Right? You call around and, you know, make them, like, not just the the the architecture that's sitting the dots for the for their structure. Yeah. It's internally I mean, look, this is a hard discussion, right, for us up here, obviously. And I'm just trying to figure out, like, the checks and balances of, like as we, you know, as we continue to grow as a city, obviously, that's just more work for staff. Right? And and just trying to figure out, like, what's a good sweet spot of, like, you know, how much have we grown? Is that more is there a more purpose? Is that just a consistent workload? You know, to try to understand kind of what you're seeing on your end for and maybe just accepting the inevitable that this is just a typical thing for a city, and it wasn't it's just jarring for me because I work in government. I just have a totally different like, absolutely opposite end of the spectrum experience. Just for a certain excuse myself. Right? Yeah. So, yeah, it's just been it's more of, like, just trying to understand better what makes sense for Neli. Obviously, again, we appreciate it every year. Great job. It's not it's not discussion about people's character or word ethic. It's just you know, as we are we're up here, we're having the these conversations with empirically stuff. Right? It's it's up here. So it's it's just I think an education thing for me personally, just maybe just having to somewhat get a fact that this is just standard out for how cities go. You know? And my first rodeo was up here, like, my budget.

But that wasn't this one for a minute. Just because we work for a government and private sector. And, yes, inflation is real. We understand that they don't do much for that. You just have less buying power every year, and that's happening. And I know a lot of our citizens, they're like, so why would why should cities have to get that when we don't need that? And we're gonna pay more taxes, we're already not getting an adjustment. I mean, I've had this conversation with dozens of people. And you're right. It is it is a politic. And I have to sell it because I'm in the same boat. You know? We we have the way it is here. Most of all, they're a lot more than I did. I've been in my industry for twenty six years. And so

I mean, I mean, some of that. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I

Deal with this with all of these tools with the majority of. And so that is hard because it is it's a really poor discussion. And

sorry. No. Go ahead. Interviewing next to me.

I think we're here. I'm saying, I mean, I haven't been paid or raised in ten years. This was At home, state of the mother, I believe, I'm gonna pay Yeah. 20,000. Yeah. I think that's a pretty high cost to turn over if we turn over, and Jeff probably speak better than I can. But, I mean, on that chart, we're looking at one of our employees have been here between, like, two and five in their positions for two and five years. It does not I think there is a big cost to hiring people in Rock. I'll speak to this. Every summer we hire new kids to help out with parks, you gotta train them. They're not very effective for the first few weeks, and that costs money. And so I think there is a lot of benefits to, retaining employees, because there's huge training costs and HR startup costs. Anytime you have hired a person, I think a lot I mean, there is a benefit towards saving bookkeeping and maintaining people just for longevity and and economy of scale better.

That's that is the pros. Right? The pros of this is to remove and try to hold on to your employees. The problem is you have a lot of. So if I jump in, first of all, I misspoke the consumer price index at the end of March. The last twelve months ending in March was up by 3.3%. The consumer price index at the end of April was up by 3.8. The cost of energy increased by 18% for the last twelve months ending in April. So it's not 3.3. It's 3.8. And I despite what you may have heard from private industry, I have been in these discussions in private industry. And one of the differences between the discussion here at Nucleus City and the discussion where I had a career was this was a board level discussion. As a member of the board, I got to participate in that discussion, and management was not part of this discussion. And so if you're asking the board of these companies you cited, you might I don't know. You might get a different answer from the from the board than what you get from management or what you get from people that are not in management, but employees. The kinds of discussions that we had where I had a career was we started with what was the consumer price index rate of inflation last year. Okay? That should be the average increase that we give our employees. And we will make that the average increase, some being higher, some being lower based on

individual performance.

And that's where the manager gets involved, but the board didn't tell managers how we decided what the average increase should be for employees,

which is what we're talking about here. This is a board level discussion.

And we did that for a while, and where I had a job was not known throughout Valley as the highest paid paying employer by any means. And and after we followed that process for a while, we realized that people were leading the company. Important people. Everyone's important, but we felt the loss of some key employees because they because they were not on the chart that Richard. Showed us about where people in the middle fall. And so we we, as a board, then modified we said, on average, we wanted individual supervisors to make these decisions about who got increases and who didn't get increases. But on average, where are we according to this industry salary survey? Are we ahead or are we behind on how much people get paid with similar jobs? And we found out we were behind. That's partly why people were leaving. And so then the cost of living was one discussion, and then the next discussion was how much additional increase do we need on average to get caught up to the rest of it. And I had nothing to do with the details of this, whatever it was that the consultant did. That was that wasn't involved. But but the but the process was so similar. And what I was exposed to and what I was a part of as a board member in practice. So it all the difference is how transparent we are in this discussion versus the discussion the board had in private when talking about compensation for a quote.

Justin, what's the minimum percent that we get for work to work?

One or two. Okay. One or two. Yeah. That's just what we programmed, but that's it could be zero. If we have an employee that doesn't and we're not happy with it, it could be zero. Yeah. For sure. There's no guarantee that if anything, it could be zero. We budget, plan, and look ahead and try to figure out and try to guess of what people are gonna come in at, and that's what we budget for. Yeah. Then then if I think of that, I wanna say it's two. Yeah. I think it's a minute too. I could

it's one or two. So if we get an employee to the midpoint, they still get an over a word increase? One to two. Two. And then Boise about this. I I was surprised to this boy after I told him what his annual is. It's gonna be. He says, you just cut my salary because that didn't keep up with the place you've done. And I said, figure it out.

That's fair. I'm hoping much you would have to spend with me.

I said, and and he went, and I was just not saying I see him go because, I mean, I should've thrown his spine and probably fired him for lack of performance. He wasn't that bad, but he was on the edge. I said, yeah. Do the math. I encouraged him to leave by not keeping his salary with cost for the community. It's harder. It's hard to spend other people's money. That's what's so hard about but, you know, we as board, as city council, we're not we're not spending the company's money. We're not spending the shareholders' money. We're spending the citizen's money. And rightfully so, it's very, very hard to spend the citizen's money because we have taxing authority. If the company I worked for didn't do well, the shareholders would would, you know, suffer from that. The employees would suffer from that. But the company I worked for certainly had no taxing authority to say, well, we're gonna make this much. We're gonna have this kind of revenue no matter what.

Do we have time to talk about the budget at our next meeting, or is there a crunch you can pass the budget to them? No. We you have time. It could but it needs to be passed at the next meeting for sure.

That was my question.

Figure out word of operation, Jared. I'm I'm trying to exactly figure out where I mean, item 50, and you you all can help me with this. Three two fifty. That's a resolution acknowledging the filing of the tentative budget. So item 15 is not adopting the budget. I think that is how they want us to work. Exactly. But it is we are being told by the legislature words have to be

this. But in its own intents and purposes, the final budget as we have had in the past. It kinda says, this is what we're gonna operate on. This is what we're the other weird thing and why I've had this conversation show is is that we're we're bump ahead of work usually ever because of the way they change the schedule, and that's why it's so goofy in my head. So even let's just say for a minute, you guys decide to, yes, pass this budget, and then we this is kind of just quick side trip. We actually have to operate on a budget without the tax increase until August 28 when we have the truth of taxation hearing. And so '21? '27. Sorry. August 27 is when we treat the taxation. So we will be operating budget minus these next agenda items, taxing bags, and have to keep that all separate.

And perhaps that's the meaning of the word tentative because even if we adopt an official budget like we have to have for the beginning of our fiscal year Yeah. It's still tentative if there's a tax increase because we can't make it the real budget until we go through a truth in taxation hearing Right. Which we've already started that process, but we have to do that. Yeah. And as we've said, we've kind of done this as a worst case scenario

with hopes that we would get clarification information from the county that there was gonna be this whole fire voucher thing. And if that happened, like, we would not even be looking at potentially. There's so many questions in the air. Like, we may not even need the tax increase if the whole fire voucher thing came through. Now that doesn't necessarily help citizens. They're gonna be paying fire district instead of the new city, but we wouldn't be raising taxes.

You guys understand that part? That is a nuance of this straight debt. The county has leading charge to say, look. You citizens have been paying county property taxes, county general funds. Some of that expenses of that general general fund have been going to fire protection for cities through the county. So the county's talking about not doing that. That's $290,000 to Nibley City Fish. If we receive a voucher to help us pay for fire protection that citizens used to pay to the county for fire protection. Right? So it it makes Nibley City look great if we get the county to lower their property tax by the amount that they then will hand out a voucher system. Right? The fire district will be collecting the tax, not the county, and then the fire district will hand out that bounce voucher to the citizens, right, according to the property value. That's $300,000 check written in Nibley City to help us provide fire protection. So Nibley City comes out ahead. Justin is saying, we're writing we've you've written a budget that says, we don't know when that's gonna happen. And until and because we have to go through these things with truth and taxation or you you you can't do a tax increase until we know that the county council is actually going to do what we're talking about. I mean, lowering the county tax rate to make up for what the county was collecting for buyer. But then the citizens still have to pay that amount because they're now paying into the fire district, and then the fire district passes to Niddly City. Niddly City comes out when the citizens of Niddly pay the same amount of tax. It's just to a different.

Yeah. There was one search scenario in the early that it changes so frequently in the early days where we could have not raised taxes and eliminated our $5.50 a month EMS fee, But we just don't know yet what happened. We just don't

We just The problem is the county is six months out of phase with the city's fiscal year. And Yeah. So they have to worry about things. On the calendar year, we have to worry about a six month interval. The approach here is to be worst case scenario because if they if these things don't pan out, we still have to pay the bill.

And if they do pan out, then Then we can

change the amount that we're increasing taxes. Right? Or not increase taxes at all if they pan out well enough. I don't think we'll get there. I mean, because we're, I mean, we're technically on salary increases here. We haven't we haven't raised taxes. We haven't raised newly city property tax for four years? Three years? Three or four? In the last three years. Last three years, we have not had a newly city property tax. Well, the consumer price index has more stock without us. And and I think yeah. We're in a context of bigger budget questions, but this all folds into

you're okay to for this yeah. That's just

For all the things that the legislature, I believe, wants to do to make it harder for cities to increase property tax like set a maximum, they didn't do it. It was it was it was there. It didn't pass it. Maximum amount of city could increase property taxes year over year. It just encourages cities, which is not a bad plan, to keep up with inflation each year. The property tax, truth and taxation process has no inflation built in. Unless we go through truth and taxation, increasing in property values won't chase the dollar amount that Nibley City gets for property tax. Sales tax doesn't work that way. Income tax doesn't work that way. All of those taxes have inflation built into an increase in tax, a proportionally increase in tax to the inflation rate.

One other just nuance, this is a little bit of a side trip again, is we've set a key priority in building the budget to not depend on growth so that we don't have programs and systems in place that depend on things being built for income. Theoretically, we could just say, sure. We're gonna have the development pay for fire, and we wouldn't have to raise taxes. But if development stops at some point and we didn't have all that income, then then we would have zero choice. We would have to raise taxes at that one. So, you know, we're always trying to find that sweet spot on that balance. And Austin Powell and I and Amy have sat down and had these conversations about how do we show the right amount of growth in our budget to not be tipped too far on one scale. And, I mean, that theoretically is an option. You wanna give us that direction, we could tip that scale a little more. I don't recommend it. But

No. I think if we had conversations about just the cost of big business as a city, I mean, it goes up. Like, services only cost more. That's why it should be. Things just cost more general. It's it's difficult to come to the reality, I guess, that, you know, doll or a little bit of bread tomorrow is gonna cost more than it is today. Right? That's just it's a cool logic of that economics since May 26. Right? So it of course, cost of services are gonna go up, and people have a hard time with the property tax discussion and taxes going up everywhere in general.

And it's a difficult

concept to come, you know, to the reality of it. But brand new, the property tax system is, like, the small stable system in place. Right? And you talk for entities to operate under. That's just the parameters that are

are properly today. Right? Yep. And a reminder, that property tax that is the most stable part of our budget is 5%

of our total operating budget. It's only five.

So raising that 5%, 1%, which equals a 20% property tax increase. Yes.

5%.

Well, wait for by the way, I got a great pie chart for that. That seems low. Okay. I would talk about that. I am confident well, I mean, again, since I mentioned about I'm confident Nibley City will receive $280,000 from the Fire Institute and formal voucher that help us pay fire services, which is the amount that the county will reduce proper tax rates because the county won't be correct. Yeah. They they still need to do some stuff with wildland fires and fires of the little kid and stuff like that. Perfect. Looks like dollar per dollar. But I'm confident that 21% increase in property debts, we won't need because we are confident I'm not assured Fireworks so that's the vote on that. I'm sure that the county council has to vote on that the newly city will receive $2.92. It's about $300,000 voucher to help us pay for buyer services that used to be paid to the county. And the good news is I actually know what we're getting into that money now instead of it goes into the county that model our wire and code stricter.

But to get that, the cost goes up. Right?

Well, we we are we have been getting way too good a deal, and the cost is gonna go up no matter what. If we're both EMS and Fire. Gonna be it might be the first of the year on EMS instead of halfway through the year, but Tyrone has told us what is I don't mean that Tyrone has told us what is cost. Well, the the alternative with county is as much as what Firebase by those Firestones. And the EMS is gonna go up no matter what. So we just been getting too good a deal. And I bought it and bought it and bought it. But, anyway, I don't think it's gonna be a 21% increase in the property taxes when it's all set up. Part of the part of the whole thing for this voucher, by the way, is you can see the inequity when everyone in the county pays the county for something to do with fire service, including Logan City. And Logan City, by the 1965 act of the county council, is excluded from the fire district and excluded from the county fire any any count receiving any county fire services. So Logan City is facing about 1,200,000 to the county for fire protection, and they have their own fire department. They don't get a dime in protection from the county. So it's not a zero sum game even though a a $300,000 voucher sounds like a great deal to Nibley City, and the county lowers property tax by that amount. The county will not be lowering property tax by that same amount because we have we have to make up for $1,200,000 shortfall that Logan City has meant double tax on. And the state auditor knows This this can't do that.

That falls back to the agenda. I'd like to make a motion to approve ordinance in twenty six of seven for first reading.

K. We have a motion. Second. I had a second. May I have a motion? A second to approve 26 o seven. Then I I think that discussion on motions.

So I just have one more question. Yes. Listen. So this list of employees, I'm gonna have to assume, just based on the work and chart, these are probably on the higher end of our pay scale of employees. If we keep

sliding the scale up,

how does that fit with, like, the bell curve? We'll just keep max extending the maximum higher and higher. That doesn't how does that fit the bell curve model, like, where you sit? It doesn't just shift everything basically in place forward. Because you're saying we're gonna raise the maximum.

Only the cola. The cola part will raise the minimum, which then recalculates the maximum and recalculates the midpoint. Yeah. Yes. So the cola affects the range, and that's why you got you're trying to keep people out of the

If you keep giving

colas or just stop giving colas, you should reach your max if you stay in the same position for twenty five to thirty years. You would reach max. But I With a colas just look at the last five years, that's not very real if If if we stay on this trend. Right? Yeah. Yeah. The trend of 2%. But even with the the with the cola, you're still cola just shifts things, and then you have the paper performance moves you per your midpoint. So you will still top out. You still will get to the midpoint. You still will slow down to a one to 2% raise even with the cola.

But the cola is just kind of its own thing separate on top of. Right. That that was my question is we just keep sliding the top of higher priority.

With the coal? Yeah.

Forever, I guess. Right?

Yeah. Just to to whatever the and and you and you you reassess, we would what we would do is every probably in another two years or so, we would pull all that data again. We'd plug back into the spreadsheet. We would compare ourselves to other municipalities in the state and in that Southern Idaho and and then recalculate what that minimum should be and then see where people are. If they're way above the midpoint at that point, then, you know, our, you know, our pay for performance, they're really in a tank. You're not gonna see that those that even be an option necessarily. But if we're still in line or or if we're low, then now we're even paying more, but we're trying to compare to others to make sure we're holding that minimum, like, average across all of those to calculate our ranges.

Yeah. The alternative to the call is to redo the salary survey. Yeah. Right? Then I think they're asking for that way. How about calling?

Two years. Two years.

October of when? So I I think that needs to get through the

every month. Yeah. They they recommend it every five years.

It's a very capitalistic approach to labor. Oh, sure. Yeah. You know? And they don't have a problem with you need If you wanna go on to employees, you need to pay them what other people are willing to pay them.

I think it's yeah. Yes. I think as long as we're letting that process bear out, well, you know, what is the market into?

Yeah. For sure.

And that's the important part of how this works. Yeah. Absolutely.

I think the best thing you can do for an employee is have them not think about compensation. I mean, their total compensation, the the the the reason people do the work for the employer, they have compensation as a part of that, but it's also about how do they feel when they go all at at the end of the day? How do they do they feel like they're making a difference? Do they do they do they see their their rare do do they see their their rare advanced? Do they see more responsibility? Do they see more account? Do they have a a chance to perfect their skill? Those are the things that drive people. But, unfortunately, how much money they take home is easily measurable, especially in the government because here it's all out.

Yeah. I I mean, I I think it's very important that we, like Frank said, inflation's real. At the end of the day, you don't wanna be be losing money by staying in that labor.

I could, like

never mind. I'm just trying to reduce my personal experience away from this. But, yep, I think that's great. I'm just trying to figure out, is there a balance at a minimum we're still getting that? Right? And it's sure I mean, once again, the difficult part that we have here is just respecting the time here. Well, right, it makes sense. I've been having that conversation.

Oh, that would be

educating friends like that. It's not easy.

K. Are we ready to vote on this for first greeting? So do you know if that's for those in favor of advancing as presented, the twenty six zero seven? Asking for first greeting, we'll say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Three in favor, one opposed. Motion passes. We've got and let's Cheryl and Justin make sure that we, you know, we stay on track for the calendar schedule.

Yeah. We went over it today. So k. Yeah. You will have to approve by the next meeting.

Before we start the next public hearing, I'd like to take a short break. Any objection? And it was let's take five. Thank you. Thank you. Next, we have public hearing. This is a resolution for city council acknowledging, first of all, the applicant attempted to budget for fiscal year prepared by the adjustment budget officer that includes a tax increase. It's important that we see. And the whole idea of saying that there's there's other things on the agenda about advertising that their I think the budget includes tax increase, but it's really about talking about this budget. Yes, sir. So you gave us a great presentation last week. I don't know who's listening online, so that's where the disadvantage. Yeah. So it was making complicated. Greg, you were here. And I'm sorry. I I don't know who you are. I apologize for that. And we'll give you the whole nine yards if oh, I saw Justin was talking to you. Maybe he was telling you and you don't want I'm not gonna get involved. Yeah. Thank you for coming out. Yeah.

Well, if I can put it this way then, what I what I would like to do, since you all did suffer through my two and a half hour presentation last time, I would like to skip quite a bit of that, maybe focus a little bit more on some of the questions and some of the capital project needs that we have in the city, and then answer any questions that you may have. For any of the public that may be listening on YouTube, I would just, you know, ask that you go watch the last YouTube recording where the whole two and a half hour presentation, or my office is always open. If there's anyone from the public or the council that would like to come in and talk about the budget, I will talk until you're green in the face about the budget. This is my baby. I live and breathe and diet for the last month and a half. And so, I'm happy to talk to anybody about it anytime. So, just throw that out there for the public. So and you all as well. So with that, is that okay, acceptable, or do you want another two and a half hour presentation?

We'll go and watch the last YouTube. Okay. Alright. Well, I you wouldn't do it again as well if you get it the first I I probably

I probably would not. But, maybe for the sake of the property tax increase, I will just touch on it here. But, also, remember, there are following agenda items that are very specific to talk about the tax increase, but this will give you a kind of a general overview just just quickly to make sure we're dotting our i's and crossing our t's. So I'm gonna skip around for a minute.

Find

if you remember,

12 or 13 different funds. The tax increase really focuses on the general fund. The things in the general fund that are covered are streets, parks, recreation, administration, elections, city council planning, some non departmental stuff with things that are shared across the city, such as building payments, software is often shared, accounting services, and those kinds of things are shared. And so the general fund has many, many different sources of income. And these are these not the right ones? This this chart shows the revenue into the general fund and the different sources. You can see that the two biggest are property taxes and sales taxes. Sales tax comes to us, basically, a formula based on population. Everybody in the state pays sales tax, and it's distributed. State distributes it back to us for a formula based on where that sale was made or if it was an online sale where the final product was delivered. And if that's in your city, you get a little bit more taxes. But, otherwise, they take that fund in general terms. They cut it in half, and then they distribute it by population back in the city. So most of our revenue from sales tax comes from the population distribution portion, not point of sale. We've had a lot of discussion about trying to do economic development and doing things that will give us the ability to receive more sales tax so that we can hold our property tax down. But in general, bedroom communities without economic development suffer a little bit and pay a little bit higher in property taxes than than comparable cities that have the sales tax component. So, again, we wanna focus in on the

property tax portion of this. Can can I just show him Please. This is the 1% local sales tax. Correct. It's not the 10% or six and a half or seven seven baked. Those go elsewhere. This is the this is 1% of that. Yeah. 1%

of the sales tax goes into this pot. Some of the half of that pot is distributed based on where the product or was sold or point of sale, and the other half is distributed by population. So that's where we get most of our sales tax. Sales tax projections don't look super hot for growth, and so there's a very small, I believe, 3% off of memory increase in projected sales tax coming into the general fund.

Sorry. I'm off. Just take a minute on it. Please go ahead. I don't understand that because we're talking about 3.8% inflation in the last twelve months. If the prices of everything went up by 3%, sales tax has inflation buffer built into it. So there should be an increase in revenue from sales tax if Unless people just quit buying stuff. Of 3%.

Exactly. That's what we need to do. That's what's built into this budget. Yeah. I I guess we're not we're not expecting a great economy where everybody's gonna start buying more. Correct. Right? We're just basically saying inflation, we're gonna receive about 3% more. That's what we've we've conservatively plugged into the budget. Thank you. Okay. This is the one this is the chart I wanted to start on with the general fund revenue and the different sources of money that comes into the general fund. The big one is the taxes, and the two we've already touched on are the sales and the property taxes. These other things that charges for service are things like garbage, nine one one. They're fees that we charge our citizens and turn around and pay somebody else. Trying to think of the other what the other big ones are. Garbage is the big one. It's pretty substantial. Administrative charges is also a big one. This is a a source of revenue that comes from our enterprise funds. Our enterprise funds are water, sewer, stormwater. Think of them as their own separate business. We have to keep the books separate. We have to keep the revenue separate, the expenses separate. But as I mentioned earlier, software is shared, accounting is shared, building is shared, some salaries are shared. And so we have a spreadsheet that breaks out impacts to expenses that kinda are for the entire city and not just for the water or just for the sewer, and that's a way for us to pull money out of those accounts and bring them into the general fund. So you can see it's a it's a it's a good chunk of money that comes to the general fund, and that helps pay, again, for things that are kinda shared for across all of the city and those enterprise funds. So that's where we get most of our money for for the general fund. And then back to the taxes, we have the sales tax, and the property tax makes up a big deal of that. Now there's been a lot of discussion about the raising taxes and what that impact is gonna be. So, again, I'll touch on it here, and then we'll retouch on it again in a minute. But what we're showing is some estimates on what we think here sorry. Our current property tax rate is point o one three eight, and we are currently receive about $1,100,000 for for that rate for the taxable value of Nibley City. So with some growth, and that's a whole another discussion that I got 10 slides in the back for, we think we should without raising taxes, we should receive about $1,150,000 this year in our property tax. So we are requesting an additional $250,000, which would bring our total up to $1,400,000 into the general fund from property tax. So that is an increase of $250,000, which is 21% increase of our property tax revenue. So if you look at the overall picture, our property tax is about 5% of the entirety of our revenue to operate the city. So we are this $250,000 is a 1% increase operationally, but it's a 21% of the property tax slice. So, again, we're gonna You're you're counting fees.

That's that's the total pie. Everything.

All sources of income. Not just taxes. But Yeah. All income. Fees, utility fees, water, sewer, stormwater, 911, garbage. Sick. Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, overall operational of the city, we're asking. It's it's it's actually less than 1% that's rounded is the increase. But but when you talk specifically about property tax line, which is one line of our 25 lines of revenue, it is a 21% increase. So jump back to that slide. And so what that equates to for a resident is that if you have a primary home of a market value at 500 495,000, which is the average market value of a home in Nibley City per Cache County assessor's office. And there's some change actually on that in the actual impact statement The slide didn't so I didn't it doesn't match exactly exactly. I think there's a few 100 there. But in the impact statement, it is down to the dollar that the county asked us to have or get the county reported to me as the average. So what that means, if that's your primary home, you're gonna pay $81.67 per year than if we don't raise taxes, which equates to $6.80 per month. So if your home is valued at 250,000, you're half that. So it'd be a $40 a month increase or a 3 change dollar increase per month. Now the average business in Nibley is worth 1,500,000, so that is a $451 a year increase or $37 a month. Excuse me. So that is property tax. Maybe we'll hit maybe I should have pulled this up. We're talking about this. As you can see, this was the worth of work where we started. The yellow dots are where people were. You can see the few that were below the minimum. We were again trying to get everybody's close to midpoint within, you know, five years. This if everything happens and is approved per the last resolution I, again, apologize. I should redo this chart so it looks the same and better. We just haven't done many time. But you can see that those square dots are at or a lot closer to the midpoint. So we're getting to the point where we wanna be. Pay for performance there should slow substantially down, and you shouldn't see that part of the budget being drastically increased. And, again, it's 2.6 on average this year. Now if you look at this chart, just to be clear, because with the tax increase, we are also adding an additional employee in the streets from the stormwater department. So you see the that increase there, total increase is a little higher, but that's not because of rage wages. That's because we are requesting an additional employee. K. I think with that covers what we need to as far as the tax increase goes, I would like to now talk about maybe making some amendments to what has been proposed to you and proposed to you and some questions. I know you received an email from Levi with one question we had this past week where we learned we didn't get a grant. So I guess we'll I should just start at the top. So I felt, obviously, a little sense of question about the back truck issue when we brought up in the sewer department. And, really, what we wanna try to do is kinda set some guardrails there for when is the right time, the most efficient time to roll the back truck and sell what we have and replace it with a new one. And we're just looking for that most economical point to be able to make that happen. We're fine not really including it in the budget. We're still gonna fish. We're still gonna go get quotes. We're gonna look at what we could get out of the truck we have now. Well, how much is a new one? And if the if the numbers shake out to be what we think and or is a good deal, we will bring that back to you and amend the budget at that time. If if if you're more comfortable with that, we're perfectly okay with that. We're we're not saying need and have to have a new back truck. And this will give us the option to kind of separate it, make it a more of a specific discussion. We can give you a whole presentation on the value of this truck and how often we use it. I know we had a brief one about you know, we used to spend $80,000 a year. Now, if we sold it for those guardrails, it'd be closer to 100,000. But when we were spending 80, we had that truck in Nibley City for two weeks. And we have this truck in the city for the entire year, and we use it for an unbelievable amount of things. If we were to contract that out for what I mean, I can't even oh, it just wouldn't make sense. We would pay for the truck immediately. So, anyway, we we're fine moving that. And so, removing that from the budget if you would like. And so I here's here's maybe a procedural question, mayor. The budget has been presented, so any modifications or changes will need to come in the form of a motion to amend. So we can make a list, or we could take them one by one, however you would like to do that. And Amy's gonna help me keep track and stay straight on Let's make a list. Okay. Yeah. Let me cancel.

We're getting ready for a call. We're not actually in a council discussion yet. Oh, yeah. Good point. So let's make a list and, you know Okay. We're gonna have to edit line items in the budget when the motion to amend stand for motion to amend. Right? Yeah. So let me let's ask to be very specific. Yeah.

Okay. Well, I'll just I'll just burn through it right now then. These are the things that we need to talk about and and just make some decisions on. The vac truck is certainly one that we're fine, you know, pulling out of the budget, bringing back to you if the numbers come out proper the way we want. The code modernization project is the one I mentioned with Levi, where we had anticipate receiving a grant for $95,000, and so we had anticipated an expense of a $125,000 to pay a consultant to go through our code and modernize and try to consolidate and eliminate and do those kind of things. And so, unfortunately, we were not successful in that grant. And so we need direction from you guys on whether you want to, just pull the plug on the project or if you wanna move forward with the project and understand we're not gonna get the grant, which, at that point, we would need to move this from general fund into capital projects. And that would bring in if if that was to happen, the general fund would have a savings of about $25,000. So we need some answers on that. We also have an issue with the Clear Creek Pond. I don't know if anybody noticed, but it's been dry for about three months. There are friends to the north, did some piping and did some work and drained that pond and feel they have zero responsibility or zero care that we now have this problem. And we have feel like we've done our diligence on trying to regulatorily go after them and haven't had any success. So if we would we need to decide what to do with that pond. If we wanna put the pond back the way it was, we gotta put in a a concrete structure with basically create a little weird dam kind of control structure where we could fill the pond up and drain it with one or two. That's gonna be in the 10 to $20,000 range. A couple of little ones, well site, storage down by our well site. You know, as we got a lot of piles of dirt, we're continually getting tighter and tighter at the public works department property. So we'd like to move some of that stuff down there and build some bins, if you will, to try to be able to store material and keep it separate so that we can use that effect effectively. We've had some discussion about 2200 South. This is kind of a medium priority to low. 2200 South is our northern border we share with Logan City. There's been development on, like, there. There's been some half roads and patching of asphalt, and it's just not in great shape. And we felt like we could do some work there to kinda bring that up to the quality standard that, we would like to see in Nibley. We're looking at about 50,000 there. Again, and kind of meeting priority. Some cameras at the 640 Well site to augment our security system. And then I would like to have some discussion about the pedestrian safety projects. We have two lines in our capital projects budget that have just kind of been there, $100,000 each. One is for active transportation, and one of them is for pedestrian safety improvements. And we don't really have necessarily projects packed for those. So we're fine leaving those numbers what they are and coming back to you with projects or if you're fine with us deciding how to spend that money on what projects. But there typically, we've had guidance on how to spend that money, and right now, it's just a empty bucket that's got some money in it. So those are the question. We have one more I added that's not on it for some reason. We had a Rocky Mountain Power I don't know why I put this on there. Rocky Mountain Power came to us with a what do you call that? A conservation program to go in and do a bunch of controls for power savings, energy savings at the public works facility. And it was a cost of, I'm Steve, 20 ish thousand dollars. And there is an estimated 22 to $2,300 a year savings in in power. And so we'd like some direction from you guys on whether you'd like us to do that or we're we're we're not. It's just kinda we've done a similar thing with all the streetlights a few years ago. It was about a five year payback. Been watching that, Amy. Right? Making sure our street light bills well well, they came way down from where they they they went in there, replaced everything with LEDs, and that cost us, I think, a $100,000. But our bill went down annually about 20. So I think we're coming up on five years, and that should be paid back. So it's a similar kind of program where they're just trying to make power more efficient and if that's something we wanna invest in. So $21,000

is the total cost of the project. $21,000 is the total cost cost of the project, but we're taught Citi with their incentives that are gonna be past us $500,000. Yeah. So it's a $2,000 a little over $2,000 a year cost savings. It takes five minutes, three years probably. We're actually changing lives controls, holding on, ringing at all, the internal.

Rockman was doing a lot of this.

Yeah. Works and sound wise and people to do it.

I forgot the 11. Thank you. That's why I was thinking it was a five year payback, but the two and twenty wasn't adding up. So $11,000 out of my pocket. So those are the things that I would like to talk about and discuss.

So being on that list, an amendment would be a reduction in expense. Is that true? Except for the okay. We we we What modernization? The modernization Is that should it? Or is that not on the list? No. All of these are increased cost.

Increases. Or increase? Yes. Except for that one. They're all increased in cost. There's a goofy issue with the code modernization right now is pegged, and this is another kind of a a goofy game to play is should that project be paid for out of the general fund, or should that project be paid out of capital projects? I've tried to do these planning projects to we we tend to do one fairly sizable one every year, and so I've left those in the general fund, things that are really repetitive, things that are more of a one off, like the compensation study, for example, that would come out of capital projects. So in this case, I had in the general fund. We can't afford it in the general fund if we didn't get that grant. So we need to move it out of the general fund and pay for it out of capital projects if you want to push forward with the project, which I know sounds goofy. But taking out of the general fund, we subtract $95,000 in revenue, and we show the $125,000 expense. So I said that's wrong. So it's both ways. We get the 95 no revenue and no $125,000 expense for a difference of that amount. Sorry. Those numbers are close. They're rounded. So there's actually an increase to the general fund, but a decrease to the capital projects.

So if you remove the backdrop, reduce expense, then it becomes a good time to get this to to make this expense on the back on the backdrop. We can't have a we we can't raise taxes to do that. No. VAC truck will come out of the super fund. Absolutely. Irrespect,

irrelevant to the tax. And sorry. I should have made that clear. Some of these are all of these, actually, the only one that touches the general fund, the only one that will have any impact on tax increase is the code modernization. Everything else comes from a different envelope being the sewer fund, the water fund, and the capital projects. Increasing those costs in those funds.

Well, the the carriers to feed, you will get the funds based. Capital projects doesn't have a fee,

which transfer money Yes. Surplus money from tariff fund to capital projects. I gotcha.

So that's all the presentation I had unless you guys want me to start over and I mean, I could talk about how property taxes work and growth and I didn't I I didn't give you these. I quit at fifty four last time. I have, like, 73 slides.

Okay. Like Oh. Dang it.

Okay. Well, that's all the presentation I had then. Let's see. That web presentation

from the last meeting is enough to pull the public hearing Okay. On the proposed budget. So with that, I'll open the public hearing on this entity budget. We we can we can make you come up and talk. No. I can't. Oh, actually, I have a resident who is not here who asked me to read a statement for the public hearing. I'll give first choice to folks that are here, but I will happily fulfill this resident's desire to have this entered into the public records. So go ahead. Please. Okay. This is a statement from Mariah Smith, and she didn't include her address. We'll have to get that for the record. K? And it goes like this. I approve the money Nibley City directs for its parks and recreation. The parks and rec committee does an outstanding job maintaining the city's assets and improving them in direct correlation with how citizens desire the improvements. Their efforts make Nibley a great, lead, desirable place to live and raise our property value. They create opportunities and spaces where citizens can connect and uplift their health and well-being and standard of living. While working through the budget on tonight's meeting, please remember the citizens of Nibley value our parks and recreation. And that's a statement from Bryce that we raised.

Let me quickly ask so you can all help me remember, especially Cheryl. When we do the truth in taxation hearing, we have to allow online participation. Help me remember that. Thank you.

Mhmm. We'll post the Zoom link instead of the YouTube. Nope. We don't get Zoom bombed. Yeah. We're fine. We're fine. I've I've seen what happened, Will. That's It happened one time.

That's all it took for us to not do this.

Yeah. We it's better now. Playing.

But we were there.

I'll I'll add one thing to that if if if I can do it now or wait till you're done with public hearing.

Not sure what you're gonna say, so I'll let you decide.

Based on that comment, one thing I I this budget has been pretty tight. I mean, people have asked for things that have been told no. And specifically, our parts rec department, there's a need for more help, more labor. If we're gonna continue to do the things that we do at the level we're doing it, they could use some more help. And we've had Chad and I had a bunch of discussions about that. Can we get it done with seasonal? Can we not get it done with seasonals? Do we need another full time employee? And, you know, they definitely would prefer an additional full time employee, but I just could not make it happen in this budget with all brief everything else going on. So so I just wanna pack that on to her statement that, you know, everybody knows the values, and they are hurting. It's difficult for them to do what they do. But if we could find an additional $80,000

somewhere, we could depreciate another employee, but I just don't want to do it right now. Any other public comments? Joe, are there any things that I have to say, or is what you have in the agenda sufficient?

That's an agent.

K. Thanks for doing that. K. Without a comment, I'll close the public hearing and move right along to resolution in 2016, which would be, first of all, acknowledging the filing of that tentative budget for fiscal twenty twenty six, twenty seven, and that that tentative budget includes a tax increase. Maybe you have to say some things too. No. That's that's good for this. So, counsel. And and as you said, we can take this to the deadline and adopt this at our next meeting Correct. For for sake, I mean.

There. I have a few just, like, grammatical things, suggestions. I'm gonna go ahead and go back to that list. I don't think so. I should've just, you know, inside the foot. Page 38, there's a label over the picture. It says it's, like, packed up. Movies are in looks like moves in park. Age 55. Says develop mutual aid agreement with surrounding jurisdictions, but that's in there twice. That's the one of the goals for their yeah. In the 26, 27 department goals that will be what is listed. Okay. On page 60, it said the last goal on the accomplishments list says explore the best. I think that's supposed to be one of the goals, not one of the accomplishments. Maybe soon there's Okay. Okay. Keep them coming. Let's save page down at the bottom. It says so for the four year plan goals for next year twenty fifth 20000 to '28. It says finish phase one of the indoor rec facility. Wondering if that should say finish phase one, the concept of the indirect rec indirect rec indirect rec facility.

That would

that would be nice if you'd be there. Yeah. Page 64. So sidewalks are included in streets. Correct? There are street purview. Street park purview. Yeah. I just wondered if we should who wanted to include any sidewalk project in, like, accomplishment? So the sidewalk project that we're starting from Nivea Elementary overpaid West. I don't know if that was, like, significant enough to be considered an accomplishment. But we haven't actually started that project, so maybe we don't put that yet. But maybe it's a goal.

Okay.

Okay. And on page 71, At the top of page 71, there's a chart of house removal. I'm just confused about that. Is that one of our rental homes that we're talking about? Is that happening, or that's just maybe happening?

So a number of years ago, there was a question about the integrity of the roof and what amount of work needed to be done on the roof and Possibly. Yeah. Yeah. And so we plugged in numbers just in case we had to pull that house down, and we have not even really came close to that decision pulling that trigger. However, that ginormous tree that's right there behind that house is was broke up in that wood stone a little bit, and we have recommendation from at least one arborist of getting a second recommendation, but they think that tree has come down. So that's gonna be a pretty pricey tree to bring down, go into the house plus the power lines right there. So Rod's getting close to take that tree down. That money might be spent on a really good tree, not the house.

Maybe it was a treehouse. Yeah.

I was like, they

hopefully, she didn't fall on the house. Yeah. They're Two birds. Well, there's two residences on basically that house, and we would hate to see any sort of issue with that.

So Okay. So

No. That's just a contingency.

On page 72,

this is that should've done this. Remind me where Nibley Farms.

Nibley Farms Park is the strip between Zondor. It's like a weird strip. I get one from the parcel here. Kidding? Yeah.

Where is this? I can leave this page. Right? Maybe maybe open tab. Okay. Tab. No. Don't. Yeah. Don't leave that page. How do I get enough tabs? Right there. That. I don't know why it does.

It says right oh, it says right here between the two subdivisions.

It

is all kind of lumped into one.

It'd be that

You would include the park space at the Nibley Meadows development, the city parcels to the west, and it include that area.

What page are you on again? Sorry.

What is the is it impact fees? Or It's the was the

major account products.

Yeah.

If we're if it's included in the concept of bids that we're getting right now, why we when we have the kids around the separate part.

Sorry. I don't have the PDF handy.

I don't like to see my error. Next,

What's the total number on it?

On the date and just list the benefit of it.

The benefit of it. Okay. Yeah. We'll mop that up. Page 72 top of Nibley Meadows Nibley Farms. Yeah. I'll mop that up.

This is

the storm, like, the session. And just remind me, though, on the budget between last so last year's budget was $6, and this year's budget is 60,000 in the appropriate fund balance. Can you just remind me what that increase is for?

Is yeah.

Can you be clear, though? Is it stormwater revenue, or is it the impact fee?

On on page at the top of page 92, this is the stormwater revenue Okay. Chart. Thank you. We're gonna ask about the appropriated fund balance. Yeah. Yeah. We're we're saying.

Right.

K. So

yes.

And why is it not balanced? Needs to be balanced. And why that number is not balanced? I gotta check on that. Why does that not balance it?

You mean

on on what? The stormwater revenue. This on the beginning cash balance and then the reserves or whatever, there's the surplus deficit. There's $13,000 there. Is that that should be zero. Yeah. Let me let me let me figure that out. Basically, though, what this says is that we are pulling money out of our savings account. So we receive revenue in stormwater in a monthly fee of $8 a month per house. $8.08 $8.25, somewhere right there. $8 a month goes into this fund. And then but we are so when that happens, we are expected to receive about, well, $300,000 for that plus another $100,000 for or $40,000 for inspection fees. But even with that, because of the expenses that we're showing, we gotta pull $40,000 out of our savings. I of the extra slides, I have a great thing about appropriation and reserve fund, but it's it's how you balance. Every single envelope or every single fund has to balance. And so to balance it, you either pull money from your savings or you put money into your savings. So if we're appropriating, that means we're pulling money out of our savings to do something, to accomplish the list of expenses that we would like to accomplish. And, really, the big one is

we have

do we didn't we have a cost to do the disc golf?

Was that for the retention plan?

The discovery number? This is a great catch because I feel like something's wrong. We have $50,000 in our capital outlay equivalents, but we only have I think I got an extra zero in there. Should be 5,000. Right? Didn't we have 5,000 for the modifications to the disc golf course? There's, like, a box and some Still have some design

for that too. 50,000? I think there's 5,000 in design. I don't have a cost for that because we never finished that study.

Okay. Well, right now, the way this is built is we have a $50,000 project to do modifications to those pawns and with the hopes that well, not the hopes. We're gonna design it so that making those modifications to those pawns will reduce the need to upsize a pipe underneath Highway 8991 and save us a bunch of money, like hundreds of thousands of dollars per the master plan. So right now, we're just gonna have to be paying the $50,000 number, and that's why we're pulling the 60,000 out of our savings is to accomplish that and a couple other little little things.

I think you explained that a lot. That was a great example, but thank you. Yeah.

Yeah. I I can show you that after if you'd like the whole it's a weird concept that you have to balance, and you either appropriate or there's a reserves expense on the expense size, which just means you're putting money in your savings.

It's it's here in budget.

Yeah. I'll ask a follow-up on the revenues in the department we were just talking about. So this is this is an enterprise fund. It's getting those funds. You're worried that it's not balancing the revenue's balancing. Was it on sewer water? What are we Silver water. Okay. Because it's same on sewer. There's $7,000 surplus slash deficit. Is that in the PDF? Oh, that's in the PDF. Yeah. I don't know why that 7,000 on every one of the enterprise files. Really? So if you find the problem, you'll fix them all. Yeah. Something's goofy there.

I cannot tell you why. Those should be zero. They should balance. So I'm off on my revenue and my expenses in each one. And my suspicion is is it's tied to the interest estimate Yeah. Because that changes every time Amy puts current balances in. So I'll bet you that's it. But I'll

Yeah. Well, so we can fix that. Yeah. I mean so the revenue shouldn't be zero. We need positive revenues. So what are you balancing revenues gets to not have it come out to zero? Expenses. In another chart?

Yeah. In the chart next page. Yeah. So you guys are gonna make me do it.

There you go.

I got a whole I'll run through this as fast as possible. K. Budgeting one zero one. We're gonna move this out. We had just as easy money. We got an account balance in our wall here of a thousand bucks. So now we're gonna make a plan for the year. We've got revenues, and we've got expenses. We got a job. We got a birthday money, whatever. We sell car. We got some revenues. Right? We also have expenses. We got food, gas, and everybody knows you got a new fishing rod. So our revenues are $200, but our expenses are $350. They do not balance. Right? This was a scale. It'd be tipped. So you have to balance it by appropriating a $150. So that means we took a $150 out of our wallet. If you look to the right there, our account balance is now $850 or less because we appropriated a 150. It goes the opposite way. If you buy a used fly rod, which you know is crazy and would never really happen, your expenses are only a 175, so you've got an extra $25. But in your expense line, you have to show $25 in a reserve expense to make it balanced, but that means your wallet went up $25.

Used to drift. I was sitting in my garage, so I can't park the garage.

The the the the the the repair.

Getting repaired. Is he doing the repairs? The new one? No.

Matt, you're.

Well, that would definitely tip the scale. Let's just say that. Does that is that clear? So in every single fund, right, your general fund, your class c fund, your capital projects fund, your water fund, your sewer fund, your enterprise funds, your park impact fees, your sewer impact fees. Every fund has to balance, and you balance it by either pulling money out of your savings or putting money into savings. That's what those two words mean, appropriate and reserves. And they're just lines in the in the charts. And I'm embarrassed that we missed that those issued balance.

Well, the impact fee funds balance, but

the the service

accounts don't I have balance. 7 or 13,000.

Okay. Yeah. We will I hope that you would include a motion to correct the balance, and I apologize. That was a one zero one error mistake. If I could, I should have done this long before now. Let me just throw out and thank Amy. Amy puts a ton of time and a ton of effort into this whole process. Really appreciate all she does as well as all the department heads come in and have meetings, and we talk about every single line. We talk about revenues. We talk about expensive deals, things. Everybody puts a fair amount of time in this, but Amy puts a considerable amount of time into, number one, making it look really nice, making it presentable, understandable. A lot of the extras and a lot of the the stuff that makes budget special is all aimed. So great big shout out to Amy and her efforts and all that she does. And every single year she's done this budget, she has received the GFOA award for budgeting, which not very many cities bother with or care to even try. So Amy does a great job. So thank you, Amy. I should have said that before now. Sorry.

Hey. I think it'd be great if we had a motion so we'd start working on that. Yeah. I'll make a motion. Yeah.

Right. And.

Let's say for the final reading again.

Yeah. And then we can continue until the next meeting. Yeah. Yeah. For final reading. K. So your motion is to adopt the tentative bunch of tests, you said, and we can work on

it. Second

motion from error, second from me. How about if you I don't have to lead you along. How about if you make a motion to amend all that stuff?

Yep. Yep. Yeah. I would make a motion to, yeah, amend all the grammatical changes as just suggested, and can I include the imbalance and as well as the correct imbalance that we've balanced? If you were clear. Yes, sir. Clear response. Yep.

Yeah. We have a motion for that amendment. Second from Randy. Thank you. I can see you were there. Discussions on that? No. Those in favor of that amendment, that set of amendments. Please say aye. Alright. In the post. Thank you very for doing that. And let's take I suggest we take your list one at a time. Can I still okay with that? And let's let's go line number. Is that easy? That's fine. So we go exactly

Let's do this. Or is it better?

You can just do it. Now I'm sorry. I just spent my number in the budget.

Account number.

Oh, account number. Account number is. We can get the account.

So the first one would be the vac truck. This comes out of the sewer. K. Both the the revenue would be settled fixed assets, which is $52.38 $6.90. That would be changed from 300 to 0. And the corresponding expenditure and account 5272740 would go down by $650,000, which would leave $2,500 in the capital alley improvements for some locating equipment to help us with our blue staking. So neutral cost 650,000. We're thinking we could get around 300,000 for the so is that what you're after? Those two account numbers? Yeah. I just thought, look,

Maybe you can find it in such a what what my what in the accounts for? 5272730.

Nope. 740. 74.

Okay. So we don't have the detail of what the actual you just told us some person what the actual backdrop would how that would change it. Yeah. But we don't have that detail. K. I don't mean that in a bad way. So, counsel, what do you think? I mean, I'm all for using up and wire it out and find the right time to replace it. But on the other hand, this is not related to general fund. It's not related to tax increase. It's it it it I mean, if we leave it in the budget and expect you to come back to us before you pull the trigger on anything, then

it doesn't really change the game plan. Yeah. We we would make that commitment to you. We would not pull this trigger without coming back to you if that's what you would like, which we're happy to do that.

I mean, you you pull it out, you're gonna have a a bigger surplus in the sewer fund. Yeah. I think you're gonna have to spend some day on a back truck. And I you know, you guys will know the best time to you you've been marching already. You'll know you know when we need to do this, when the best time to do it is you come to that decision, you come back to the council and say, now's the time to spend the money,

and it's over our purchasing policy. I'm sure you've done that. Yeah. You know, I don't

think. And and by leaving it in, when that happens right, there's, like, there's no real legislative. It's just saying, hey. We're ready.

Right? It it's a purchase approval as opposed to a budget. Budget. Budget.

Mhmm. Are we reading that right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm happy to have you handle it however you want. The the point is is we just wanna stay on top of it and be ready if a weird opportunity should arise. Sometimes they'll do weird incentives. Sometimes maybe we're crazy lucky and get a slightly used one that comes on the market that we could upgrade. Part of the problem is at the same as your your personal card, you go through a dealer or you go through a private sale. The last trip, the reason we decided to pull that trigger and move it was because it was a a city in Cache Valley wanted to buy it from us that we thought was a great price. And so we talked it over with the council, and and that was part of the decision in pulling that trigger. So we're gonna fish for that.

We're gonna talk to the, you know, the dealers and just come up with whatever the best deal is. And if if the and and we're completely fine

running this thing into the ground if we can't get those things to work out. But this piece of equipment is very specialized. It's very heavily I don't know. I I we're, like, used and beat up abrasively. I mean, it's not a gentle process. So these parts wear out, and they're very expensive to fix. So you really don't wanna get into a situation where the parts are costing you substantial amounts of money should turn it over and then on top of it. We've got a very 90 budget.

But that's maybe better than the answer. So let's say we leave it in and kind of just the situation just does not work. It's we pull it from me. At the end of the year,

what does that mean?

It just means The not paying? Yeah. Nothing. It's just the money's still there. Appropriate, but do a thing. We don't do that thing. We don't have to move it to. It just stays there. We decide what to do with the next year. Either it stays there next year or we're not all gonna do. No. No, sir. In the sewer. Yeah. But it doesn't get absorbed by another.

So it takes a motion to take it out. It doesn't take a motion to leave it in. Should we move on to the next one now? Yeah.

So the code modernization project was a gateway to hire a consultant to go through our code, look at places that are duplicated or things that are antiquated and things that haven't been looked at for a long time, maybe contradict each other, and really just get some help to look at and modernize our subdivision code specifically.

Well, yeah, sub subdivision it's a subdivision and land use code. And And on top of what Justin said, that that's a big part of it. But we just went through a general plan process, and there's a lot we're just seeing a lot of conflicts in what we say we want to do and what our code has. And so it's really taking a really hard look at it and, looking at even just structural changes of of our code. Pretty pretty big I think what we've been doing for several years is Band Aid fixes. This would be more like surgery, I guess, going through and really pulling things apart and reevaluating, the code. It's it's been a long time since we've done that. So we've added a lot of things. We've we've modified things here and there, but this is really looking at it holistically.

Can you talk about the grant and what we're expectations of the grant on? Yeah. So the grant, we we put in for a Udot technical planning assistance

for $95,000. The with expected match of 25,000, so that was a 120. We could we didn't get the grant, and that was going to be for this coming fiscal year. So if we if we got the grant, it would be you know, we could start spending that money July 1. You know, we can apply money yet that we thought that's coming No. No. We don't. I I need to I need to find out why we weren't we didn't get it. I've I've got some speculations, but I I need to I need to talk to him and find out why.

The grants for.

9095. And it's a competitive process. You know? There's it's across the state, the communities for a a variety of different projects. This is the only real brand of this type across that I'm aware of, like, across the state. So it's it's pretty sought out there. And we've got it three times. This is our fourth time going for it, and we didn't get it this time. But

That's the point to be essentially.

For the for the scope, I I think it's reasonable for the over the scope that that we outlay. And it's it's more than our code. Just that that that was a cliff notes version. It's also our, commercial design standards, our transportation design standards. And so and let me think if there was one other thing. So, yeah, I mean, it's a big project. It's a big and it's it's the engagement that comes with it. It's not a consultant isn't going to just make these decisions in a vacuum. So so there's a process to go through. There's probably a there's a public process. There's a pretty heavy process with the council and the planning commission looking at different scenarios. That all costs time and money. Yeah. There's expert you know, there's a lot of expertise on the back end. There's the legal expertise. There's looking at impacts of, you know, the economics of different decisions. So there's a lot that goes in that that could go into it if we really wanna take a hard look at it. And we feel like it's a good time to do that just finishing up the general plan.

So this is a good example of in a budget, there's a there's a bunch of grants that we've got Yeah. That we show ex expect to receive the revenue. And there's a corresponding project with that. And if we don't get the grant, we don't pull the trigger on the project. This one just happens to be perfect timing for us to ask you if you would like us to do that, which is why this is kind of unique situation. Timing generally doesn't work out quite like this. So that's why we're asking you right now. And, again, there's options. You know? I mean, maybe, you know, Tom can speak to, you know, is this, like, a must do priority? Is this a meeting priority, goal priority? Like, how maybe just talk to is this something we should spend the money on, or or can we afford the time to try to get the grant next year?

I mean, I think that's a that's a definite option. Do you wanna try again? I I think that there's a lot of reasons why we should do it now, but is it does it have to be done now? I we we could try. Do you have do you have any comments? I mean, there it's just it's one of those things that I feel like it's long overdue. Right? And and at the same time, it's good timing because of the whole process we went through with the general plan, the momentum. We've we've gone through this is the direction we'd like to go. We could we could wait a year. I'm not I'm not saying that you know? And if and in that year, we can continue to work on things and, again, Band Aid things and research and come up with with with different approaches. But

Good question.

Yeah. Mhmm. Is it Is it advised to do a altogether, or can we break it down, like, land use codes, then,

you know, roads, transportation, design, and, like, the second phase. Maybe not have to spend all that money.

So I have a cost estimate to update our our street's design standards, which would it it tells us how to build roads. It tells us where drive accesses are, where how wide there'll be, how the separation of those, the distance between intersections, things like that. The cost estimate is about $25,000. The timing for that in this fiscal year is perfect because we're going through the transportation master plan updates. So once we get that up and running, we can simultaneously start incorporating these these design standards as we progress with the master plan. Again, that's about $25,000.

Which to clarify, we had planned on spending some about that much of our own money on top of Grant. Correct?

Yeah. Can we get a line number on this? So that's where that will show up. Right? Yeah. So it is line number

1068.

88.

What is one minute? That's something. It is the planning and building in the general fund. Yeah. Yep. So sorry. I don't know. But it's 68310. Yeah. 1068310.

It's

a shit. 56.

Can I maybe can I take the mic for just a second? I think one reason to do it now, we are constantly one thing I one thing I really like about Nibali is we are constantly updating our plans. It is really difficult as staff to to manage multiple projects at the same time, multiple master planning projects. Tom might might attest to this. If we don't do it this year, we'll it'll probably be time to update another one or two or, master plans next year. It it just becomes more difficult to manage, as staff as well. I thought that's I guess that's one other consideration to think about is is we are continually updating master plans, and this was the one we're planning you know, the project we're planning on doing. We're gonna have another one next year. We kinda have a schedule on that. So if we put it off till next year, that's just kinda competing with something else that we're trying to do. Because it you know, the only constant is change, and it's not like anything else. Any other need slows down. Right now, we're we're working on transportation. We're gonna be back to talking about our parts master plan other other master planning project. So

With this kind?

That's part of it.

Yeah. That's Part of it. One years for this

job. Yep. 60,000 of it is to finish off the transportation master plan that has started, and 3,000 is for the one sixty five joint corridor study that the county wants to do that we've been hearing about for a few years, and then we have a $10,000 kind of standing number for any grant writing. That's what makes up the total $1.93.

And then if we decide to do the the or we're talking about the the addition to the one ninety three? No. No. No. No. The vacant. That's already vacant.

Yeah. Yeah. The difference was is that back on pay general fund revenue, grants, which is right there. This line right here, this 95 would would go to

zero,

which reduces the amount of money in your general fund so your tax increase would have to be bigger if you left it here. That's why I'm saying if we want to pull the trigger and do it, we really should move it to to capital

projects and not leave it in the general fund.

Is that something we would be at the point in budget?

Yeah. That would that would that would be a motion that we would look for. If you want to do the project and file forward knowing that we're spending a 125 of our own money and no grant, then I would need a motion to move this project to the capital projects fund.

So so

based on your professional opinion, what do you recommend me to?

I would wait.

I would wait and see if we get to grand next year. And I know these two are probably not gonna be happy with that, but I I wouldn't I would wait and but what that means is you may be out. Either they're gonna be super overworked and trying to do two or three national plans at once or you delay your rotation a year. And now, you know, you're out six years until you get back to the stormwater one that we just finished, which sometimes happens just because that project takes that long anyway. Planning's a funny funny world. But if you're asking me, I I would I would wait. For me. Yeah. I I I pull the project. I pull the revenue and the expense out. Now to Tom's point about the transportation design standards, I mean, you could leave 25 in there. Essentially, what you're doing is you're kinda doing a change order to the transportation master plan and add in the $25,000 in scope to what was already what was the total before? Just under a 100,000. Yeah. So we were a 100,000 ish. We've already spent 40, so we were gonna roll 60. We could change that 60 to 85. And and Tom, if you can do that less unhappy with me.

Yeah. I I think the the road sign standards, it's it's good time to do with the road transportation plan, you know, or if you're gonna say, well, that's what this street should be, and what what is that? So what is that? Right? That's what these standards are. It's gonna be a minor collector. It's gonna be the the cross section of the street. We're talking about defining those redefining those cross sections.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. That all it also means, though, that you may have issues over the next year with development. Well, it says this and it says that, and we'll just have to deal with those. That's my question. Development agreements, a lot of

yeah, I think right now, what we're seeing is because our code is the way it is, that it's not very reflective of economic realities and expectations and what our general plan says we should do. We, a lot of times, have developers come in and say, hey. I wanna do this. There's not really a place in our code to do that. So let's negotiate. Let's have a discussion. Let's have a lot of meetings about that, and and we come up with a lot of development agreements, exceptions, and things. And I don't I mean, I don't think that's ideal, but Cliz will continue. So the

the ones whatever the number is, that's the the whole case. Right? What what is the commercial part of that in terms of dollar amount if that would be? Because if we just focus on residential, that's gonna take a year, and then we might reach the point where maybe we try to get the grant again, if the grant can take care of the commercial.

Yeah. And I wouldn't say it's definitely residential and commercial, but it's just it's other things too in the code.

Because, I mean, my my thought, right, we just do this general plan. We they have very robust residential infrastructure. Mhmm. I would wanna know what the cost is just Just for them?

Maybe you don't have the time to do that. I don't know. Because we're just focused. Yeah. I mean, maybe we could do it for, you know, 2025.

I I don't know. If we just wanna focus on that and we want to get some consultant help on it and not just try to do it in house, Maybe maybe that something something $2,030,000. I I it kinda depends

the scope of what we're doing there. Yeah.

That is another option. Just give us a number. So get down what you can. Yeah.

Yeah. You know?

What I'm what I'm personally learning about, all these planning processes, they all.

Yeah. And I was I was saying, you know, it's

these plans, god, it's crazy. Yeah. But so you're doing consult, I guess, actually.

Yeah. It is it is tough. It's tough to swallow. The one thing that I can glom onto why they are important is because your impact fees are, I mean, heavily reliant on your master plans and being current with your master plan. So if you don't have current master plans, you don't have current impact fees. And Sure. And I would like to see the possibility of using impact fees to pay for master plans, but I got told no. That was not acceptable. Either me or the accountant. I'll leave no.

We have some CAB grants, though, for those ones.

Yeah. I think absolutely it should qualify, but they disagreed with me. I mean, that's the whole point. The whole point of a master plan is to deal with growth. Yeah. But you can't use the money that's given to us for growth to plan. Yeah. No. Maybe we maybe I could press that issue. I don't know. It's a possibility.

Because that's what

buying the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As I'm saying that out loud, I don't know this one. This one's different. Sewer, yes. Water, yes. Yeah. When you think about This one is more about development. Yeah. Yeah. Private You know, we plan. Right. Yeah. That's a little different.

Yeah. This is private development.

Aaron? So we would do, keep money in this fund for to finish the transportation road road design study that you said '25, and that would come out of the 120,000 slated for this update. So it would be, what, 95 less

less ninety five years. No. Just yeah. Remove the grant. Remove '95.

Yeah. I need to budget to draft that one at $95,000, keep $25,000 in there for our assignments and banner

updates and waiting here to apply for the screen again. K. We have a motion.

From there, second from Randy. Are we clear on the proposal? Okay. So let's see. The other the other side of this, we're we're reducing the expenses, and so we would be

Yeah. I'm fine with that. I'm clear with the motion, what needs done, and we'll balance it By putting more in the general fund? Yeah. Okay. Basically, your general fund will see a $25,000. No. $95,000 reduction in revenue and a $95,000 reduction in expenses.

Yep. K. Discussion? Those in favor of the amendment, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? K. Thank you.

What's next?

Clear Clear Creek Pond. You guys wanna do that pond.

If But you don't have this as a line item suggestion

in the It would be an additional capital projects

project. What what it what's the worst case scenario for you?

It's a muck hole Yeah. Unsightly. I'm surprised we haven't had an offer, honestly. I've had one person reach out to me and tell me they wish to follow back. I reached out, but that's the only person that's ever even reached out to me. I reached out to Tom Bernhardt in the neighborhood. I'm like, hey. Go fill this out and find out what people want. I came back and was like, hey. It's pretty mixed.

Yeah. Didn't know that much. What's the what's

the big picture implication if we just fill it?

As soon as you fill it, you're No. Not not fill the water or fill the land. Fill it here. Like, put the whole oil. Don't take it.

Fill it what? Yeah. Fill it. So you'd have a bunch and you could either pipe it, and then you would just have, you know, grass that was out of the pipe. You could leave it an open ditch where it's similar to through to the south of there through the subdivision where you belong back. Those are your three options.

But filling filling it in and creating a canal and cost maybe just as much money as creating a little dam. Right? Yep.

Yeah. Beavers. It's very

possible. I mean, we likely could do a lot of this ourselves and and save some money there.

Public works already got a lot of play, so

might be a good winter project if he wants to do that. I just couldn't I just couldn't get a good other than going door to door, I didn't have to pay for, like, getting a good feel for what at least the neighborhood wanted. But I'm just shocked absolutely shocked that I have not had complaints about what it looks like right now.

So I've I've only heard a couple of complaints or comments on it as well. One was at the parks and rec committee meeting. It was several months ago when one of the residents asked whether it was gonna happen. At that point, I didn't have a plan. Since then, I've reached out to a contractor that gave me the the cost just to put the box into it and reestablish the pawn. You if you want numbers on piping that and filling it in, I could probably.

I mean, the land hold on. I'm going anywhere. So long term, then you can end to the pond, leaving them for a year.

Is it is it always 50? That's 1,500?

Yeah. Unless we do something, it's just the way it's gonna be. It's just a little trickle through the middle. I mean, eventually, maybe it's fills it with cattails. Maybe what's the the frag bodies?

Heavy frag. I think Is it burned, or is it just flat and getting depressed? It's depressed. Yeah.

Who do we have to thank for this? Our friends do the North.

You tried to welcome to Italy.

I'm trying to figure out what they did to make me just a smooth dry up. They north. They lowered the drains, what they did. They they piped

along 800 West and then east along 2200 South and did the way the the elevations of the pipe changed the drill. I I don't know the exact details. So there used to be a seat for something to fed this now? No. No. So, historically,

the water went under 2200 South, hit a ditch, and they get diverted for canal water and and irrigate the field to the just directly to Oregon. But primarily along 2200 South hit 89%. Yeah. That ditch along 2200 South is kind of elevated, and it's filled in over decades of use and neglected. It was it was overgrown with cattails. Once they planted it, it just

always Yeah. They lowered the flow on it a bit.

And So they stole our water. They broke it down. Yeah. Then I I reached out to the Army Corps of Engineers. I went to the floodplain managers, the state of Utah was talking to the state engineer's office as well, and they just said it's nothing they could do about it.

Well, I'm inclined to recommend this to prolong, Not put it in capital projects until we get more feedback from the next few weeks.

And even if it's midyear,

we can move things around in the capital projects and it'll take opening the budget, putting this project, but we're not. I think to put it in listed as a capital project, there's an expectation we're not quite ready to put budget. That's my how how long has it been like? I have not been there for a while, so how long have it been like? I first heard about it just before the holidays.

Like, the current Like, Thanksgiving, Christmas holiday. Yeah. So it's been said, like, once. Yeah. And and I've watched it a little bit. It it'll fluctuate if we if we get a rainstorm or something. But it really there's not a lot of flow left. There's two cart, I think, that are still there. Jeepers are leaving

them. There's carp. There's carpet in there.

There was goldfish at one point.

I think that was a question.

I mean, mosquitoes, I mean, it's just how does how does the reduction of water affect the mosquito population?

Good question.

I mean, is it

I know it's on the mosquito wave maintenance radar to treat, But, typically, it's been flowing. So to our knowledge, hasn't been a source of mosquito growth. What?

It's pretty slow, but it is in the way. It's

so it's a great question. I know I have good good solid answers. I would imagine that, you know, this as long as it's on the radar of the mosquito abatement, I don't know what make a big difference on the area. So they'll do a lot of abatement as far as pre what's the right word I'm looking for? Like, larva technically, larva before they become larva cy. Larva cy. Exactly. Larva.

So

if as long as it's on their radar, they've got a number of things that they can tackle with. When I was on Mosquito Maidenboard, I was shocked at how well maybe it would be better than I did.

It's a well run group. If you like. Alright. I'm gonna give you one more chance to okay. Otherwise, we'll move on. Yeah. Let's move on. Yeah. Well side Yeah. So this is a did that really well. I think I should be acquiring any model benefits. Sorry, Dan. I do see that. No wonder they're yelling at me at.

So so, again, this is to kinda just do a little bit of improvement down by the wellsite to build some stockpiled storage things and try to just clean that up a little bit. The 6,000 would likely be probably half capital projects, and then we take some out of the sewer and some out of the water.

Yeah.

Yeah. Six forty minutes. Yes, sir. Down there where we got those fairly large piles of dirt.

Except for motion.

I do.

Well, may I make it for you?

I'd like the motion to include $66,000 for well site materials and order $6.41.

Thank you. I have a motion from Aaron. I'll take it from Garrett. And they say I include 6,000 for site, trail storage, discussion, and divvy it up out of the accounts as Justin described.

Right? Yes.

Is this is this to make it, like,

more efficient towards like, what is it? It's the movement allowed of our public works facility, to be honest. Oh, well Like, right now, we've got these kind of places where we stockpile road base, topsoil, other things, and you kinda set out to keep them separated so they don't mix. Some of that, not all of it, but some of that now is that public works. We'd like to move all that down there and then really just kinda do some other cleanup projects and try to make the place look a little nicer. What this addition? Like, you're hiring somebody? No. It's at all BS. So we're we're buying, like, those concrete blocks, like, three by two blocks, those kinds of things. It's just part three. Yeah. How did that Did I say anything wrong there, Steve?

We'll be bad at all. Okay. So Yeah. I'll just ask you.

Public works is out of room. They need space. Yeah. Yeah.

Any more discussion? He goes in favor of this. Please say hi. Hi. Hey, Kaye, what's this one? 2200 South Improvements.

I'm gonna let Tom, do you wanna take this or Steve, do you wanna take this? It's kinda Steve kinda started this conversation, but this roadway here between our friends to the north, 2,200, We've had some development in the area that has kind of redone parts and made the road look nice. We have an r section already done some improvements and put in some curve gutter and improve the asphalt. And this is kinda just to tie up a patchwork and make this a better roadway than it currently is. Lidya, you wanna add to that, Steve? Yes. Just literally right there on our line.

If they're, like, putting the curve out of there, real inspection right there really fast or hopefully, we'll do it in there. Kind of line, but, you know, fix it on, like, as well as rather than just a three bunker pass. We'll keep going there all the several patches there. So that's what that's what is as well.

So it's almost a betterment to this development going in. We just wanna push it a little farther.

That's what

state donated. Which which p? That piece that you're on? Yeah. This piece right here. We on that. Correct.

Not the red. Just this.

We paid our tech void. Yeah. Sure. We turned that off. So who what what's up with the what's up with the piece to the west?

Page two. Twist. So the piece of the west is phase three of Fireflies. So that That would get fixed when they built that. And and they've been working through working four or five five. If they're able to describe it, but it kinda we haven't heard much about it for a while. But back to the road improvements, we like that money in that account. So when they do the improvements there, we can just capitalize on that. If you remember when we extended 10th West and connected that to metal, we had a streaming deal that just be in a position to jump on it. Once they start there, we can work with them and be improved. It's probably right there. We'll save a lot of money on mobilization and other costs.

So it's 50,000 just for 2,200 adjacent to Niddley City Park That's not already done with Fireflies Park. It's basically reconstructed that whole thing, half of the road. Right? But the developer, when they develop that to the left, Mark, the west part, they should have paid for that. No. The governor's gonna pay for curb and gutter, like, three or four feet of asphalt from this point Okay.

All the way here. We're just asking to extend to the center line of road vehicle. So we're paying for extension of asphalt across these two properties

to try to clean all this up a little bit.

I also think I forgot to say this could easily come out of class c once.

Perfect. Let's

see. I'm gonna go after

the part. We don't have a plan

to

update Fireflies bar to include sidewalk into that section or anything. Right? Was our plan just to let that let the grass grow back up in that parcel?

So with two new development agreement with Fireflies states, they're they're all looking work where the city

Oh. And then if if it's a ranch,

trails, but some trees and frogs. So that we we look at the plan. We we're comfortable getting it meets our a massive plan. We did it at Greengrass Park Or Beach or

But

it's it's in conjunction with phase three. So So will it be have a separate meeting in the firefly part?

You're right. So, like, the money I mean, if we can really just take it out of class c funds, it's it's agile. It's available. It's there when needed. If they're mobilizing asphalt products, we could jump in at that point. Is that true? We we yeah. We just need

we just wanna hit and I'd like to see it written down somewhere in the budget that, yes, we can do it and then not be delayed by can have it come back to cancel. That's fair. I mean, we love you.

So we can put it in

the road account. Yeah. It would be $11.46 50. We would right now, there is $660,000 in that line. 600 of it was chip sealed based on our InfosReid's software that told us what and how to take care of our overlays to keep them the best. As you recall, we didn't spend much money at all this current fiscal year in anticipation of this project. And so there's $600,000 in chip sale. We also have $60,000 in there to redo ADA corners around town. This would be adding $50,000 to that to do 2,200 south improvements, which still should leave us with an ending balance of about $2,000,000 in the class c streets fund.

Pardon? I mean, when Chad was talking about chip sale and stuff, I realized we were talking about a $600,000 project towards the end. It's like, what? Okay. Class c. Alright. I mean, this is what the class c money is supposed to be. Yeah. And the higher gas prices are,

higher class c is class c is based on square footage or lane mile. I remember the formula. We every year, we turn into the state of Utah how many miles of asphalt we have, how many dirt roads we have, and we anyway, that's kind of this formula. And then when you pay at the pump, they take the taxes on that and distribute some of it to this situation. Is it is it fair to say, oversimplified

description of this is we're gonna spend

well, I would be able to we're just gonna piggyback on target. So it's gonna actually save. Oh, yeah. If we were to come in with a moment this is very similar to us upsizing a mark. If we were to come in and do this ourselves in a later date, it would be substantially different than this.

Project funds

for the group to output

improvement. K. Move the motion. Second. Garrett. Let's go. Let's go. Any discussion on that? My only question is when gas prices go up, doesn't the state gas tax stay fixed? I'm not a 100% sure. I think it's

cents for, you know Is it? 28¢.

It's not a percentage.

Okay. Sounds wrong. I apologize.

That's what I'm talking about. A tax that doesn't have inflation built in. And we're talking about a huge inflationary on gas and energy, but the but the gas tax, the state license is a base. 35¢ a gallon or something. So that's better. Okay. This is a security camera. Oh, let's go. Close the papers, Adam, please. Alright. I'm gonna we're voting on. K. It's unanimous.

Number six is just some cameras that we would like to add to the system of the 640 Well site. One would be inside the generator room. This would allow us to more quickly respond if the power was out to start our well without having to bring a body to the site. This would do it's supposed to and if we tested it, it works, but we're all still pretty leery about firing that generator without getting eyes on the ventilation system to make sure that the ventilation opens up because that thing runs pretty hot. And we we actually had an issue when we very, very first we're constructing the well that that thing ran all night long, and those doors and the ventilation didn't open up. We're lucky we didn't burn the place to the ground. So I still have anxiety over that. And so we it this just put a camera in that room so that we could visually see that everything was in proper order before we hit go and fire up the well without having to send some to the site. The other one is would be on the outside, and we'd be looking at this storage public works stockpile type ER that we've been discussing already. So it's just a couple of extra cameras. This would all come out of the waterfront.

Take a motion to approve the $4,000 for extra your cameras at 640 Well Site.

We have a motion from Aaron said, Nick, $4,000 for security and operation in this discussion. I'll have you please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? We've done this. Thank you.

K. The last one is whether or not you guys have specific projects that you want us to focus on on pedestrian safety and active transportation. Historically, we have pegged a $100,000 for the last few years in those accounts and then had a list of projects. And we have, like, completed all those projects that, have been in the budget anyway. We just signed a contract for the last one, which is to connect the Hock Hollow subdivision to the roundabout, which will give us a continuous sidewalk along the south side of 3200 South, for for Quietaways. Is that connected? Connectors are still gap? No. That is the we can accept five. Yeah. So outside of all the way from 165 out to, like, 15th West on the South side connected. And it's not a piece that's gonna happen from development. You know, most of the stuff that we've got is coming in through development minus a couple of spots, but this will be one that development's not gonna fix this problem for us. So, mainly, that one's about to we just signed a contract on that. It all should be done by July 1.

Yeah. They just we just had a free construction meeting today. Your rooming, right, new ticket. Yeah. He's saying that they're gonna be done by the June 15. Cool.

So, you know, we've used this money to do the crosswalk at Ander. We've done it to do sidewalk projects. I know we've had some discussion about doing another crossing at 3200 South And 1500 Westish. But at this point, you know, we're just looking to you guys for do you want us to bring projects to you and just peg a number, or do you want us to give us projects? How would you like to handle those two lines? Or quite frankly, we could just cross them out if you want. So we got two lines, $100,000. Yep. Both are capital projects.

And we also have state streets for all demonstration, 280,000, which Levi, you can help me understand this, but I wouldn't be surprised if the money for the demonstration projects lead to bigger expenses here instead of fewer expenses.

Yeah. That that's definitely a possibility. I don't know if it would happen the this next fiscal year based on the schedule we're looking at. It's probably those probably won't be deployed until next spring is what we're looking at, and then we need to evaluate that. And but there but I will say I mean, we we recently went through an active transport act active transportation plan process, and there's a lot of projects in there that we could tackle even outside of the safe streets for all scope. I think we could wait on for, you know, evaluating those kind of intersection and crossing improvements that are in there. But, I mean, there's there's a lot of other trails and bike lanes and other things. So

Mary, I believe you are working on a process to gather public input, and maybe we can just put some money aside and just see what bets out through that process. I'm not sure what an important thing with that. Yeah. I'm

trying to put that together. I got excited. So I tracked a little bit the last couple weeks, but we're coming back to it. And it's a process outlined in active transportation plan, so I'm not making it up. I'm of the opinion that I mean, safety is pretty important to our balance. And Justin, I think, made a great comment about if we're transferring money that we didn't expect, which we have done over a number of years into capital projects, that's largely the result of growth we didn't plan let's say not plan, didn't Palatine. And I think that's a great place. Pedestrian safety, kid safety, bike safety is a great place to spend the money that really the the growth caused the problem.

We were

we were the niggly of thirty years ago, we wouldn't be worried about the sale of the salt. So I'm I'm out of the opinion that even if we don't have the projects listed specifically, that two lines totaling $200,000, I don't want to see it stay. And if we don't come up with projects because we just don't need it, well, then it'll be in the capital projects. Fund. We'll spend it on some of your capital. Now it's real money. Don't get me wrong. This this is $200,000 in the capital projects fund.

Randy? I'm just gonna say that certainly a a big topic on my mind is always the potential to see, you know, getting out of some bridge and crossing those kids crossing the street, pointing to school, the middle school, coming next year, the elementary school. Whatever we decide to do there, I know we need to do something hopefully to get them cross safely morning and afternoon. Hopefully, there's a flashing yellow or something we could that's a project that we could really focus on.

Yeah. And 85,000 for this rapid flashing RFB or whatever. Right? I mean, it doesn't go that far. I hope Yeah. I hope there's a whole bunch of projects we could do for a little bit less than $85,000 a piece, but that's partly how it was that piece that is out. So and then the other one may ask, slash line there from Thomas Edison across the 12. And that's in our study. Yeah. That's what's been area, right, with the the consultant's doing? Yes. That's what I was that that one info. Yeah.

As long as it's on the line, I mean, it's it's a concern. I I really agree about the middle school opening up, but no longer will be buses. They can have kids. Kids always speak only school. Yeah. You know, I mean, that's it's a lot of kids crossing a very busy road.

Yeah. I think it was the so we're just looking at the increase in traffic counts on that road. I mean, both west is turning into what we thought it would turn. You're absolutely right. It's it's

so it's hard to get on. Okay. It just is. Even without the, you know, the violence, it's like, it's tricky.

There's a lot of cars on that road. There'll be more. So it's up to you guys. Either there, honestly, it'll be seem usable. We can't get into this side that what objects I appreciate that. What else do you want me to tackle? The Rocky Mountain car. Hey, man. It was like a year. It's a 100,000. Yeah. I mean, wow. Because I changed it to 10. So it's 40 per pound. $605 to be paid. That's okay. $1,699.00 8. It's a savings of $2,188.00 2 per year. It takes us five point three years to get back. It says to to apply and we still need other books. Why? I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I'd rather yell at my bride about not turning the.

And how that how's that going for you? Of course.

Sorry. Yeah. We've had a capital project. It could come out a lot of capital projects. Probably the easiest we could spread at sewer water capital projects if you'd like, but I it's so small. I just tell take it out of capital project.

What do you mean? What do you

I'm on offense with this one. I could go either way. That's a show literally paying for. Yeah. We definitely are seeing them return on street lights. And this one, I assume, is not a guarantee. It's just whatever the power they expect to be saved is kind of a guess. So this one would look fluffier than street light ones because street light ones are they're they're just

not. No. But Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just Yeah. It doesn't matter how much they use. Yeah. Thank you, man. And walk through thank you, man. Walk through all the buildings, so all the parts will be getting switched out as well. I'll be asking more energy emission plus the controls. So

I think this one's up to you. It's almost like just to show the public you're trying to conserve energy or you're just not interested. I to me, this one's not a huge deal when we're together.

Steve

Steve. I would say it's up to you. I I mean, we don't get a lot of public, you know, public works. Yeah. Right?

Mhmm. So this is in the Public Works Building where, like, how many people are there throughout dating? Just me. Just you. No.

No. I will do it through. Purple lights on.

It's true. They need so much traffic coming in and out. And half the time, it's Austin and one side of the building

But this is for all buildings too, not just the public. Not the same office. It's for the big shops. I believe they put photo sales inside. So if you're utilizing say, open a door, all of a sudden your light is flooded in from those big doors, and the lights will turn off. You know, it's kinda that kind of stuff. It's just it's for the whole facility, not just the aux.

How much, like, how much is the what is fancy lights cost for you, Blake?

How much is that? What's this one cost? Yeah. Like, if whatever goes bad, an opportunity to toggle system. They're just LEDs. Right? Yeah. There was LED lights. It's a new LED fixture, so I would suspect it'd be much fun at all. We have all It's more on the controls. Yeah. I know. They have these Yeah. Yeah. There's there's photo sensors. There there's motion sensors. This is the most common one.

I'd imagine these are gonna be motion sensors.

They like to they like to really doesn't set up the lights with them down automatically to

believe it's not all dead now.

It's a different device. Is Rocky Mountain Power putting something in at the beginning? Are they making an investment as well? Or just all It's just us. Okay. So they're the 9,000 they have a $9,000 $959,986 cent. So they are giving us $10,000

if we do this. Yeah. The $41,000

project, we're paying 11. That's all okay. So there's something in the container. Yeah. They can get me down. We're out. Well, we only have two meetings to go after this.

So let's start over this.

Okay. Let's decide. Let's miss this part.

This part. $10,000. Right.

So, Sure. I'll try it. And can you mark that again? No.

Ben's not on. Levi tried to be too efficient.

Budget to this bucket. Yep. There's a motion. Second, from Randy. More talk. Those in favor say aye. Alright. Bye. Bye. We're getting tired, but we're making progress. That's the end of Justin's list. Well, so then I'll just tell about maybe the next appropriate motion to submit the.

I'll make the motion to continue budget to our end meeting. Yes. Motion

from Aaron.

Second from Nick to continue this budget tentative budget session to our next meeting. Discussion? Seeing none, those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Actors. Four zero one. Taking out extensions. No. Okay. Now we have some bookkeeping to do. Item 16? Yes, sir. Hey. Dustin, take it away.

This item is just to alert everyone that this taxing entity intends to increase or that this tenant okay. I'm just gonna read it. We are making a statement that the executive officer or budget officer of the taxing entity, which is Nibley City, intends to state in this public meeting that a tentative budget includes a proposed tax increase. And now I will make that statement that this tentative budget for fiscal year twenty six twenty seven includes a proposed property tax increase.

So you did sixteen and seven? Yeah. That's sixteen and seventeen. Don't need me. Sorry.

So now if you'll allow me to move on to 18, I would like to make available and give a give a presentation on the property packs impact schedule that you guys saw last meeting. If I can get there. So, basically, this is a description of all of the departments and how this requested tax increase of $250,000 will be spent. And, again, anything on this list will not be able to be spent until the truth of taxation hearing in the end of August. And so to summarize the property tax impact schedule, our current rate is point zero zero one three eight, which is brought us in $1,100,000 this fiscal year. We're expecting or estimating with growth to be receiving about 1,150,000 next year. And so we're with the request, $250,000 that would increase our proposed revenue or property tax to 1,400,000 or a tax rate of point zero zero one six eight, which is an estimated increase to 20 of 21% to the property tax revenue line in our budget. What that means for an individual home is that a average cost or average market value home at $495,518 would be $81.76

a year.

For your nonprimary, it would be $148.65 a year. And for an average business value of 1,500,000, it would be $451.64 per year. And then to summarize each department, this increase will cover the cost of living adjustment or COLA that we have discussed earlier in this meeting. It will also cover a estimated $126,000 intentional savings rolling that money into the capital projects fund. It will also add an additional full time employee to be split between the streets and the stormwater department, And it covers the cost of some park equipment. Then I would need Ron to tell me exactly what it is. But last year, we bought a piece of equipment called a Ventrac, and this these would be attachments to go on to the Ventrac and the area and the mower, which would allow us to mow side hills on trails and ditches and some things like that. And that is all of the impacts as except for when you just gets goofier to the admin fees because all of these things go up. It reduces the ad. How do I explain this? Based on these impacts, the admin fees that come into the general fund would go down a little bit. Draw a serious blank on explaining that better. But it impacts the the admin fees that I talked about earlier where we're taking money out of the funds because some of these positions are impacted. A lot of sellers, some of the non departmental stuff, those expenses go up a little bit. So we take a little more out of those funds to help pay for those things. So in the end, it increases our property tax line by $250,000. And that is the required stuff on tax impact schedule. I also threw on here just for the summary for some of the other larger impacts to the budget that we need to make sure we cover and really don't have a lot of choice. Biggest being a fire contract with Hiram City, being an increase of 262,000 from fire protection, law enforcement, IT services, accounting, things that we contract with, we're estimating fueling. You know, fuels going up through the roof. Fortunately, we get a lucky issue to have a lot of snow plowing, but who knows what's gonna happen next year. Banking fees are going up just based on sheer number of transactions we make with the growing population. Our insurance expenses only went up a little bit and then just kinda general other inflationary increases. So wanted to point out also that Thursday tonight, we had a public hearing for any interested residents, but also we'll be able to have another opportunity during the treaty taxation hearing on Thursday, 08/27/2026 at 06:30PM at Nibley City.

And so that is my presentation

on the property tax impact schedule. And I believe number 19

would be a resolution adopting this schedule,

then you would want to do this for first reading.

May I ask a question about these additional things we need to cover with the the list that starts with fire protection? Mhmm. So, you know, that's that's $300,000 in that in that list. And we're advertising a change to the general fund increase of 250 at 21%. Why isn't it why aren't we advertising a 50% increase?

We covered it with other lines in the budget, other fees. Here you see that. Yep. That's all. So for sure, it's just gotta be covered up with other Genome Fund revenue sources

k. Which In other words, if we don't do the truth in taxation, still an option. We don't get this we don't increase taxes by $250,000. We can still meet these obligations on the list that's on the screen. Yes, sir. Yeah. Okay. And I know we've talked about that. I just wanted to be clear about okay. Now we can move on. Unless you have anyone else has questions for Justin. So now we're on to resolution twenty six fifteen. Yes, sir. Alright. Number 19. Yep.

I think you're doing that too. Right? You have anything to say? No. Nothing that. This resolution is basically just says what this impact statement says.

That's what council said. Just to do. Right? But acknowledging that, you know

Yeah. You're kinda taking ownership of this impact schedule.

K. Council resolution twenty six fifteen is before you.

I'll make a motion to approve resolution twenty six fifteen with.

I have a motion from mayor, seconded from Nathan. Thank you. To approve twenty six fifteen for first reading. Any discussion on that motion? Seeing none, those in favor of a first reading, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously. Thank you. And item 20, Another resolution. Sir,

I'm gonna briefly explain this one. This one really these next two are basically acknowledgments that things have happened in today's meeting and that dates are set for public hearings and such. So these are just new kind of requirements that we're making sure i's are dotted, t's are crossed with the potential of raising taxes in August. So this first one really acknowledges that the intent statement happened that we were gonna that it included a property tax. We made a statement and that the schedule was printed and available to the public, and that's it.

You can see the resolution. Ready for a motion when you are Motion to approve. Resolution number six thirteen. Motion to approve for first reading from next item from Garrett. Discussion, please.

Does it mayor, the council would please waive the second reading on this. You will see the same resolutions at our meeting. They just need to be adopted at each meeting.

So because we do first and second, we have to do this in every meeting. We're essentially waiving first reading in every meeting. Yeah. Sorry. I'll ask consent for an amendment that waives second rate. Do we have consent? Fairly not. I just had a discussion included in the end. It's just a a great miracle fix that it's been more resolved again.

On the resolution twenty six thirteen, which works, says we're resolved.

Treat all of that. Didn't it? At least I did. I I haven't last night. I've done that before. Let's see. I'm gonna Let's do let's do the first consent. We have to say, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So now you have an amended resolution before you. Clear? Since we're waiving, it's a resolution and we're waiving second reading. Cheryl, we call the roll, please.

Council member Melverson, what is your vote? Yes. Council member Matt, in favor. Council member Mansa. In favor. Council member Ken Smith? Yes, sir. Council member Spalding? In favor. Thank you.

Five in favor and unopposed. Thank you, counsel. Onto item 21.

So this is just another acknowledgment resolution that says that we did all these things, that we intended to make the statement, that we made the statement, that we set the date for the truth and taxation as August or, excuse me, August 6630, that, public has been properly notified per state code. Do we have notified both the state and Cache County that we intend to raise taxes?

K. It's for you.

Motion to approve resolution twenty six fourteen with the second first or Wade

second. Deneck, second problem. Garrett has to approve twenty six fourteen at waive second rating. Oh, I had I had just a question on item number one be it resolved. It's a tense case. Let's see if I can get to it. I'll just start. Nibley City Council agenda included a separate item listed on the agenda that notified the public that the Nibley City budget officer's city manager Justin Mah intended to make a statement. Can we say that Justin Mah made a statement? I mean, you intended to. By golly, you did it. Are these words from

code? There is the statement of intent on the agendas, so I believe it makes sure that that statement was also included on the agenda, so I believe it's on purpose.

Okay. So he did it, and he intended to do it. Okay. He didn't do it by accident. Yeah. Yeah. We straight copied these. Right? I mean, this is Straight copied. From what the lead told us to do. Any objection to voting? Well, let's go resolve there as well by consent instead of Resoloft By consent. No objection. No objection. Okay. I have no objection to voting. So you can just call the roll.

Council member Larson, what are your vote? In favor. Council member Lauerson, what are your vote? In favor. Council member Mann, in favor of council member Maxwell? In favor. Council member Mann, in favor of council member Nassau? In favor.

Council member Spald? In favor. Thank you.

K. Thank you, counsel. Thank you, Cheryl. Let's do counsel referrals. You know, we were just, like, first week. Five days, you know, eight days of Okay. For the first twenty items. Oh, number of items are being here. Six seven nine at best. Mhmm. But yeah. We had a good discussion. Alright.

Randy, do you wanna go first then? I have enough. You know, maybe it's a question with Heritage Days. Is there any is there any need to counsel the Elven system in the activities?

Yeah. Thanks, Branske. There's Chad.

Hey. Great question, and thank you for that. Harry and Zeith, always a nice time and time. Great opportunity to connect with the community. You should have a flyer under the guidance next to your agenda and everything else. In terms of your participation, we really do like to have you you can dinner. I believe I had mentioned that last time. We'll have you in a break. If you'd like to volunteer otherwise, there are places where you can you can submit that as a volunteer. Five k k is a great place to volunteer. I know some of you like a lot of family activities in activity stations just to have a chance to interact with the the community. But, really, wherever you'd like, we fill in with other community members. I'm trying to think how hard in the brochure. Oh, yes. Yeah. This is a very important one. Tom has been a and has a job with managing the the bike park project. The grand opening is happening on Monday. Happens to be my birthday, which is exciting also. So we would love to have all of you there if possible. We're counting on mayor Jacobson and saying a few words, cutting the ribbon. Bring your kids. We're gonna do mayor, if it's alright, we're gonna ask you to leave a bike parade. Can you hear me? We all in private term, people will follow you best. And please burn your virus. You can get the experience of sleep.

Make sure you have helmet with that. Helmet has. No. You buy it. Is that is is that Earl? Nope.

Nope. Sorry. E bikes are loud. Yeah. It's not motorized. No.

It's gas motor

which includes, like, e motorcycles. Yeah.

Can't slide my tractor on?

I don't know. Drive it to me. It's

let you know we can We're gonna do the ribbon. I have, like, one time. What are you thinking?

It starts at 6PM, and so we typically

after that.

6PM, we'll start with a few words from the mayor, cut the ribbon, take take some pictures, and then lots of fun activities happen after that. We've got bike shops and boats, high school mountain bike teams. Yeah. It's it's something you wanna talk to scam. And then I don't see it. It's supposed to see people there. Yeah. I think that really covers it.

Do we have serving duties on community there lately? They've just taken care of it. We just take care of it. Including

drinks. We've actually got drinks by a sponsor, but something was gonna be ending with us now. So you're over there.

Yeah. Who's that?

Yeah. It would be helpful for us to know if you need a closure. So it's it's city staff and city council. Public officials will be wearing a nice. Most of you we have, I doubt that landing in New York. It's the red. Yeah. The red. Okay. So we'll we'll grab your sizes and and get one that.

Yeah. Can you quick hit what sponsors we did get? Just who are the crowd? I'm quick.

If if you don't mind, those. Okay. Including that. So a couple of things that are different and then sponsor each other that is no. So my the bike partners are doing a different thing. Horrible is also another experience that is doing different. It's just a organizations that that's running the Horrible for us. You do pay for it, but you have a chance to win. Anyway So that that should be we just kinda promoted as soon as they give us a link. The other exciting thing is we're gonna try drones, though. Providence has done this. The challenge with the drone show is they're very expensive, but they're fun and unique and different. The other cool thing about a drone show is you can more easily recognize sponsors. So there will be four sponsors in the drones, though, And the group sponsors are Cash Valley Bank, Nibley Towns, and Godfrey Orthodontics and Visionary Homes. The the fun thing about Godfrey Orthodontics is we're launching the drone show, run their hard and we're working on the design of the show, but it's probably gonna be something like dog breed orthodontics in in lights and an arrow laying down and maybe a big smile. So he'll be thrilled. He's likely to support that again. We would love for you to to be there so you can experience the drone show. And if you could also talk with your friends and neighbors and associates and say, hey. What did you think? Because we need to know if the drone shows something we wanna continue doing or if we need to go back to a fireworks show. There's some great things about a fireworks show. There's some great things about a a drone show. Fireworks shows are less expensive, but more work on our part. We've got fire. We have to notify people, and somebody would help with that. We have to manage a follow ups and a message. So we're excited to get feedback from that. And I think that covers here today's let's see. Graham, coloring contest. So here's a fun thing. We used to hire an artist to do the coloring contest page. We used AI in an intern. So save some money there, and I think that covers it. Oh, and the sponsorship total as I reported to Justin, in part because of the drama show, I was I was able to get a significantly more money in sponsorships. So he should be getting in somewhere around 15,500 for Heritage Days when in the past, it was, in a good year, about half that. So that's that's a good thing. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. And and we could potentially go for more, but I've gotta get to blowing up the event. So, the thing that I promised it, the only other thing that I would mention just in terms of in terms of report just quickly is that we have gathered plenty of data on youth sports and adult sports their adult programs in part driven by a master plan in the. We're exploring what people want. We're also gathering data on performing arts, opportunities, or community theater as well as outdoor rec and and conservation programs. So you will see some of those things at Heritage Days just that we're trying to gather some data there. I think that's it.

Zachary doing a drone show instead of fireworks. Instead of yeah. I'm I'm only confused because it says the youth dance is after the fireworks. Okay.

Why did you come on that? Because I missed it.

You can say where is the fire? What's this throw thing? We can light some off. Yeah. It's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it

we we appreciate you improving

not only the budget and the rest of the spend of the the. Good job.

Yeah. They improved. By the way, the terms of people tell me we can't add an error technique element to. I don't know what that looks like. And I think if we were to do that, I would wanna go watch one first. But that adds some pizzazz and excitement. But you have to bring all the fire and then follow-up some of the.

That's it. Okay. Do you have anything else on your report?

No. That's it. I think I can understand. If you don't mind, I'm gonna go accept today. It's it's something tomorrow. Oh, and then it like I mentioned, but please join us at the future ground up. We're recognizing really the unsung heroes of Nibley City that keep everything running for us, including parks that that we play in. We appreciate all their efforts. We Steve and I had a a great planning app. We've kinda added some fun things that your kids will love. So so please join us there. Great food. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Anything else, Randy? No. Nick?

Here?

Actually, all of the I have was I had a line that I was gonna ask if we can even take a tour of a line of contract. It's kinda where Randall may connect with.

See where it's going now.

Give me a call and get you out to bring your bike or get you out to act.

So you're safe?

That's true. We've yeah. We did it. I don't wanna go into that. We did it. But we've we've done some testing on it. We've had city employees and their van.

We even did a test run with a a

electric motorcycle.

Just let him run it, and he

he said he had a fun time. It was wasn't as dynamic as he hoped. It's it's just so small and tight turns and stuff that even a full blown motorcycle really can't get going that fast. So there's other there's one other thing that Chad is not even aware of this, but there's actually a timer, a a virtual timer that's on here. What you do, you scan a QR code, download this app, and they'll time you as you leave as you start the pump track and when you finish. And it it it keeps score on this on this track itself. And anyone that downloads it, their their score is is added to it. And there's a the top finishers list that that he maintains, so I won't see you at the top.

So do you try does do you try to know about this? No.

We first

control. Our insurance company. No. We have this plan where there's this.

Let let me just add one more thing on the back of this. I and and Tom didn't make me aware of that timing. This is my thing that's fun. That's called game and buying an experience, which I think will increase the the activity that usership. But because of that and other elements and the fact that this is unique, we may be able to get the contract for naming rights, bike park if you're here. We're we're having some conversations with a couple of, bike shops that we think may move forward with that. So just a heads up on that. But we would bring that proposal to you if you're interested in naming the bike park after election. Will be the money. Yeah. It would be ongoing money for ISA extended or something like that.

Thank you, Sarah. Aaron?

Nate and I met with some residents,

live in the neighborhood in.

And I had this great conversation with them about concern, different concern that they have. I'm gonna start with the canal. They're concerned with that. Right. Well okay. Maybe. The so a few different concerns they have. I mean, the main part of the issue is they're having some miscommunication between themselves and the developer, Jake Thompson and us. And so they're not getting answers that they feel like they want to get from the developer, and they are asking for RL to get those answers. Primarily, there's some spaces, like, in it's a cul de sac. I will get the exact address of the cul de sac there. But the cul de sac in the at the end of the cul de sac opens up into a community pathway trail Okay. Connects to Virtual West. And so they're past wondering means, like, who is in charge of installing and maintaining the park strip? That's because you have to walk over the park strip to get to the community trail. And who is in charge of installing and maintaining the little bit of landscaping on either side of the trail between the trail and the fence, things like that. So they're wondering who's responsible for those areas. They also were wondering if they can get in the rent or the park strip along 12 West that the developers put in trees, but then in between the trees is just weeds. So they're saying, well, but this is doesn't look good. It's just weeds. Who who's gonna is is that our job to put to trade this out or developer's job? Or do we just leave it as weeds? So that's something they're wondering. And then they also were wondering just as far as speed limit and it's basically that they're in hold of your ride where the speed limit starts to slow down further than that road between higher than our tenth. And so they're just saying, well, cars are just flying as they come past our houses and we're really noisy. We're wondering if wondering if we can push the slower 25 mile speed limit further south, just that way, towards Ireland because they want cars to be driving more slowly as they come past their homes. So they come intimately and not be going 50 if they go past any of this. So those were the main points that I got. I'm quite sure of it now.

Yes. So I actually appreciated.

I'm on the market for that.

That's that's useful.

There's similar to the road, there's quite a bit of space that it was there.

There

was this phrase. Appreciate that and WorkWorks and all that. But I think that we come in conclusion and

some changes there. A little bit of a fuzz or someone else have there's

a a grade that's, you know, saved by standards. I think that's what they built to the minimum for, but there's definitely a risk there of

coming off that sidewalk

along quite a few feet into the ditch at the highest point there on Southwest. So I think we need to look at some kind of fence or barrier similar to what we have from 3050 or something different or more unique. But that's basis. So I I know what we intended, but I don't know if it's achieving that purpose. Correct? And it's still new to that, but I think we need plans. We'll ask on that that canal and that rail that are more beneficial to the community that

would sort of stuff. We just told them that we would check into it and start engaging, and I think at this point, start engaging with what what we do there. So I know that you know Tom and how it works. So and I think that's it. Yeah. And for about Jonas and Paul. So it's okay.

Did the fence along the trail come on? Yeah. Is that unresolved?

Well,

then we're saying some of the residents were there just the fences.

Families who were there. They were mentioning, like, well, you know, we did our research about what type of fences required. We went ahead and paid the extra money to have higher visibility, and then we have other neighbors who've gone ahead and done the less expensive route, which is less visibility. And so they were wondering, was there accountability? Do we get reimbursed for putting in more expensive fences?

Okay. So Yes. Yeah.

I have a code, Could you

Nathan? I'll just remind everyone the challenge I gave.

I don't know if you, you know, you have to do the agenda, but it's to to read the annexation plan and talk a little bit about how to get more from that. Probably an update from that. Just a reminder of Yep. We're doing. Yeah. I see. It. K. Thank you, Justin.

You've heard enough of me.

Yeah. I'm good. A lot of development going on, but I won't go through one by one.

Yeah. Just real quick.

Aaron mentioned the 2600 South Sidewalks hasn't started, but Monday morning, it will. But I put door hangers on each of the homes, notifying everyone their projects got in. And Justin met with I thought everyone but I guess apparently met with both of the property preser.

And

I thought they were all aware of it. We're we're I'm I'm fielding questions and meeting with the homeowners as well. Anyway, Monday morning, that's going. Justin also mentioned the 3,200 south sidewalks that have connected me with Meadows to hello? They're gonna start that Monday morning, and they hope to be done with that by June 15. The bike park, we already mentioned and the well. We're back drilling the wells. And then the Is the base or the The crew remobilized. And today alone, they got about 200 foot of screen from 600 feet to 400 feet as they drop that down. So I don't expect the the remainder of the development to take that. Let's see. Erin, I'll address a couple of your comments. The Cul De Sac Trail is state lodge recently changed in November 2025. So, typically, we were pushing the maintenance of the trails onto the property that were adjacent to those trails. And it's really clear in code in in the state that was any sidewalk in front of a home that would be from the property line through the sidewalk including a brochure. That's all the responsibility. Nothing's changed there, but it seems that these other areas that aren't associated with an actual street, like the brochure and stuff. And so unless there's a development in place, that maintenance falls to the city. Now we're we get a lot of these. We have all these connector trails if we have a block that's over 660 feet long. We also have the trail that connects out of a cul de sac. They're getting more and more, and staff isn't getting more. We're we're still have the same amount of staff, but we're the maintenance is going. I I ask the council to consider what what you'd like staff to do on either do we enter into a development agreement with each one that puts the burden of maintaining those trails on the adjacent property owners or an HOA? Or do we wanna revisit that and maybe make some changes in our code to to reduce the amount of of this asset that we're that we're going to maintain? Just just something that we're constantly struggling with, the the the park strip, the the maintenance along the sides of the trails. It it's all inclusive. It's just adding and and compounding with every subdivision on it. So I just ask counsel to give us a correction on that where where possible. And then the speed limit, it when Nathan called me or when I got the email, I we put speed counters out right away. We collected them through about I think it was seven full days. Eighty fifth percentile speed is fifty fifty miles an hour on the south end, just right at the Nibley County border, and it reduces down to 45 miles an hour up toward just south of the the landing into the roundabout. Just close to the speed limit, I don't know if it's gonna change anything. All that's gonna do is criminalize people that are just feeling they're driving the speed that's comfortable. I think with this transportation master plan and the update to the street's design standards, perhaps we start looking at something that self regulates these speeds so we can incorporate maybe something like we did north of the roundabout.

Yeah. Because residents actually brought on that. We'd love to see some traffic

problem. Yeah. It it's just so wide. Rob, why would you did you ask him more than Sounds great. You should ask him about this in council first.

NASA. They have to offer. Mhmm. Rob is asking. It's just so light. Oh, it's good. And there's nothing that really sold it down. There's nothing nothing on the sides that really

keeps you aware of your surrounds. You're just difference there. So I'd moved to driving that, but we we use a youth. At 84 there.

Speed of it.

It it would be more like I think it was 55. Yep. Reduce it to 50. Anyway, five. Those that help them can help convey that to the next of the

But but new standards don't affect that room. Right? We need to figure out what to do with that.

It's still Right. I mean, the developments are already closed down. Standards affect new roads.

The the

new standards will affect new development when they build the roads. Right. But what we can do is maybe plan to help me do the capital projects,

money. Yeah. Plan it. Yeah. The improvements. That's what I'm getting. Yes.

Good. And then I I gotta give a shout out to Amy as well. She's been slammed with all this budget thing, and rants are due right now. I spent about four hours with her today, three hours with her yesterday. She's just killing it. She pushing me into a level I'm uncomfortable with because she's naive. I I just wanna give her a shout out. She's too great.

I did helping her with that with those full shirts. So if you will just text me if you your size and if you increase their surname size, if you need a different size, that's Please just let me know. Staff is having a culinary contest. We decided to include the city channel until that. We will be putting these outdoor community dinner and putting the community vote on the best one. So we keep, like, meeting you with color and contest that we have this meeting. I can park one for you. And then I'm in the middle of onboarding our last seasonal employee. We've got a great staff again coming back this year. We've got lots of returning employees out of the week. I didn't have school get out because his work hours are gonna increase quite a bit. The only faculty we won't have yet is we have two, employees that have done an extended leave for a couple of years that will be coming back to the end of June, beginning of July. But if you do see our sales workers, give them a shout out. We really try to incorporate them into our team so that they'll box you and return them work works again. And we found that we are engaging them enough that there's interest in working in the public sector.

Excellent.

Any last words? K. We've come to the end of the agenda, and we will adjourn the YMCA council meeting. And only two more meetings to go, Greg. You sticking around? You don't. That's good. We'll give you a correction. Thanks for coming out. You can go right into it, Cheryl. Okay. Call the CRA meeting. So we're on first. Yep. This is a community reinvestment agency meeting. I called to order. We have the representatives of the board of the CRM, Randy Spalding, Nick Kentzka, Garrett Mansell, Aaron Mann, Ethan Larson, and Larry Jacobson present. I ask the members of the board to consider the meeting minutes from 06/26/2025, and I would take a motion.

And a motion to approve the minutes, man.

I have a motion to approve those minutes. Second second from Nate. Thank you very much. Discussion on motion to approve minutes? Let's see. K. Seeing no discussion, those in favor of the motion to adopt the minutes, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? It's unanimous. Thank you for that.

And, Mayor, I just wanted to clarify. It's just around 80 of the minutes. We don't necessarily need a vote. You can ask for a general.

Okay. Well, I can ask for consent anytime I want. I can ask for consent on a food agenda. Consent on tonight's agenda for the CRM. Seeing no objection, we have approval of the agenda. Next, we have resolution c r a twenty six zero one. This is a resolution adopting the budget for the upcoming fiscal year.

Where'd my mic go?

Oh, there you go.

Yeah. Thank you, mayor. Just to make everybody aware, the community reinvestment agency, again, is a separate legal entity is just described by the mayor. The budget is included, however, in our city budget geologists reviewed and looked at. The newly item of interest in the budget this year is to potentially expend some funds on professional consulting service to fill out a report

to state.

So the state of the project that was moving forward in the CRA is still a little bit of limbo. County believes it to be nonexistent, but we have some reason to maybe argue that. So we might be doing that in the future to kinda see what happens with the current project that was set up and kinda planned out with the Malouf project. So yet to be determined exactly what happens there, but there are really not much to talk about here. I don't know. Maybe some expense in reporting.

Thank you, Justin. And I looked at that budget. I can't remember what we might be anticipating on expenses there. It's about $4,500. Yeah. Thank you.

K.

The resolution is before we cast to adopt.

It? Yeah. We're we're we're I might launch to approve resolution CRA 26 01.

We have a motion from Garrett, second from Nathan. Thank you. To adopt the CRA twenty six zero one resolution of adopting the budget. Any discussion on that motion? Where do you stand at tread and water? How long would it be?

That's a good question. It's a significant enough expense that probably next year or two need to fish a cup of eight. Yeah.

And we've we've had ongoing discussions on that very topic.

Haven't got a recommendation.

I mean, we're we actually Justin went to battle against the county and say no. We we didn't trigger the period that we would start measuring the increased value in property tax and therefore generate a tax increment funding sold. Yeah. It's a difference of opinion. Certainly, the county can as Justin said, it considers it dead. There's another interested party. And we've not you know, there's some there's no reasons or promises we have to get up. So Yeah. Okay. We have the council has committed $500,000, but it was predicated on a number of things that have not happened won't happen in the state and CRAs as I see it. So we don't. I I mean, it was the taxing had earned the tax increases before we before we spent money on the tax on infrastructure. Am I missing anything? Thank you. Anyone that was involved? Seeing no opposition, and I don't know if we have to call the role and CRAs. Argumentarian says no. Those in favor of adopting the budget for the CRA for the next fiscal year, please say aye. Aye. Anybody wanna oppose? Motion passes unanimously. Thank you very much. We're at the end of the agenda for the CRA, and so I will adjourn the meeting without opposition saying none of the. I call the meeting of the Municipal Building Authority to order on this date, May 28. If there is no objection to ratification of the 06/26/2025 meeting minutes, we shall consider them ratified. Seeing no opposition, they are ratified. And I also ask consent to approve the agenda for tonight, which is limited to adoption of a budget for the NBA. No opposition. We'll we'll all work through that agenda. First item and only item is resolution MBA 26 Dash 01. This is setting the officers of the Midway City Municipal Building Authority and adopting the twenty twenty six, twenty seven budget. Justin? Yes. Like you said, very similar story. Not much going here because

the billing is paid off. We just paid off this billing. So the the building. We building. So that that reduces our debt to, right now, sewer only, but we are anticipating very near future globally the long water well, roughly 3 to $3,500,000 water. So, anyway, the as far as the Municipal Building Authority goes, there really is no anticipated expenses or revenues. Budget is just gonna sit there as an entity for a time when I need to build another building such as a rec center or a buyer station or a public works building.

Okay. So the resolution is before you was I supposed to call a roll on Michelle? Oh, yeah. Nice. So this does name the board and officers, and there's not a lot of savings. Zero in zero one.

Zero seven gate. Make a motion to approve resolution NBA twenty six zero one.

Move a motion from Aaron, a second from Garrett for approval of m b a six zero one. Any discussion on that motion, please? Seeing none, is there opposition to voting? Seeing none, those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously. Thank you very much. We're at the end of the NBA agenda.