Nibley City Council Meeting - 6/25/26

Yeah. I've never heard that. No.

well, legislature allowed it. They passed legislation that made these guys eligible and and allowed them to be able to charge this fee. The fee started out quite a bit higher. There was a lot of angst, a lot of panic in the state, and they dropped it even this is at less than half of where it started. Well, actually, it's it's it started even higher than that. But then the last legislation that came out was 3¢ per thousand gallons, but this is only 1.6¢ per thousand gallons. So we keep doing it back, but that's a great question that I can't answer.

So if we added a utility bill, it would be one utility bill or it would be spread out within twelve months?

So it would just be every month we record everyone's usage. So every month, they will see this fee. So if you used, you know, 10,000 gallons, you're gonna pay an extra, you know, credit math in my head and fly,

you know, like, 16¢.

Yeah. So I it's not a huge amount of money. It's just really the principle we need to know when to to stay charging us.

Yeah. I think the percentage is probably the way to think about it. Right? Because I don't I don't know how much different people use. So 1.6% increase in cost of water in the liquids space. Mhmm. 1.6 to 2%.

So let me clarify. So what are the what are the options that we have? The options are to do nothing, and we'll just pay this fee out of the revenue we already receive. Because we have a utility fee for water. We charge a dollar 25 per thousand gallons ish depending on what tier you saw and how much you've used. The other option is just add a line to the utility bill that very specifically states this is a pass through to the state of Utah so that everybody knows that the 16¢ or this 25¢ or whatever dollar 50 that they get tacked on. It's just a way of showing the residents that it goes to the state, not us.

And with that, if it's had some if it's had some utility bill, would that maybe increase people's desire to use less water?

I don't think it's significant enough to do that. That that's coming. Buckle up.

Okay. Yeah. That was the water rate. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes. It's I don't think it's just significant enough to do that. We already have a tiered structure in place so that the more you use, the higher you pay. It starts out at a dollar Right. Should know this, but close to a dollar, it's up to, like, a dollar 60 when you're in the highest tier per thousand gallons. So I don't think it's significant enough. The the legislature is talking about two fees. This is the first one. The second fee is potentially going to be a much larger fee that is intended to pay for projects around the state. Is that what we're talking about a couple of Yep. Not that best. Yeah. We don't know where that's gonna land or if I mean, there's a bit possible it won't happen, but not that, basically. It'll it'll happen. I don't I've been we don't know what that'll be yet, but they're talking about it a lot and how the state is going to come up with money to do more water utility projects. One of the if you've noted the the the board I sit on is the the drinking water board. That money is getting less and less every year because of federal earmarks and, you know, people going to legislature instead of going through the process. So every year, we're getting less and less money to give to these projects. And so the state is looking for places to find money to go build these projects. So they fired Zions Bank to do a big study, and that study's been published. And they have some different ideas about how to charge and what to charge. And it's it's kind of it's there was legislation this year that

house bill 51,

I believe, was kind of the the crux of it. It ended up not passing this year. I probably will see it get back in some form this next legislative session. In fact, you can talk to your own legislator, mister Casey's or legislator, mister Casey Snyder is kind of driving that. So anyway, we're kind of getting off topic of this fee. It's a small fee. We're just asking you, do you want us to show it on the utility bill and increase the rate, or do you just want us to cover it with the rate structure we already have?

How much time and effort do it takes to have to add it? Not a lot. And that's it. My my. Who knows? I don't know. I state so that citizens know makes the state in there. Okay. I like transparency, and it doesn't cost us more than we.

Okay. I agree with that too. Okay. Well, we got a little bit of time, but in the future, you'll see that come through cancel in that direction.

So I would tell you

Think so. As long as I can connect to this. Yeah. I think I think it's I think it's gonna work. I think it's gonna work. Alright.

Okay. We'll we'll pick up where we left off. This is introduction to an annexation agreement, also leading up information leading up to a public hearing on an annexation and also a council's discussion and consideration, I mean, that is That's just suspended. So we're kinda gonna kinda gonna

do do the introduction for three agenda items altogether,

I think.

Now it's showing the over here. Duplicate.

No.

No. It has the third. Sorry, guys. I'm just gonna drag it over. I'm so sorry about

this.

Alright. And then hopefully this works. Kind of. Yeah. Let's do that. Yeah. I'm trying there we go. Good enough. K. Alright. So as I mentioned previously, I was hoping to give the background of of this annexation and the annexation agreement that's on your agenda. The applicant's also here to fill in any details. But so this this, annexation includes two properties. I'm gonna I'm gonna show to give a little more context on the map, two parcels that is about 42 acres at thirty six hundred south fifteen hundred west. The just as far as where they're on the process, the they the council has accepted the petition. The county count this did include an unincorporated island because, there's there's one property that is between this property and the and the incorporated boundaries in Nibley. That's and it's just connected by by road. So it creates this island that is allowed by state code as long as both the city council and the county council agree to it. At this point in time, the county council has approved the creation of this unincorporated island. And then, as far as zoning on the property, the applicant has requested zoning of R 2 A for one of the parcels and then RM, mixed residential, for for the other parcel. So I'll go into that, and the planning commission has reviewed this request as well and the zoning, that's being proposed. So this is the proposed annexation plat. As you can see, the RM zone would be toward the South and then the R 2 A toward the North. So those are both about 20 acres each of of that proposed zoning. Just a little more context. You can see that from an aerial with Nittany Farms is that development to the north that that's closest to it. And then that Oak Haven development that I mentioned in in planning commission report, that is is currently going through approvals in that, kinda square parcel that's already been annexed to the city just kinda to the the northeast of of this project. So wanna mention something about the proposed zoning. When when the applicant submitted, this is what the future land use map looked like and not just when they submitted, but when staff made its recommendation to the planning commission. This was prior to the updated general plan being adopted. So at that time, it showed this area as medium density residential, and then the area to the south was commercial and medium to high density residential. The applicant, you know, at the time they submitted and this has gone through, you know, quite a process back and forth with the previous property included, and now and now was taken out. Now this this, area included. But, in general, they, you know, they they looked at our general plan at the time. They saw medium density residential. R 2 a really fits within that designation. And then the commercial and medium to high density residential, that's where they proposed that RM zone. So there was from the applicant, you know, submitting this. They did look at our general plan that was adopted at the time and up until, you know, a few months ago. That was that was the the adopted plan on the books. This is just kind of a a snapshot of the general plan now so that that detached residential is now what is shown for the entirety of the of this area. The orange that you kinda see around the perimeter, that's, mixed residential. So you can kinda see the proximity there, but, but it it was designated differently. I mean, in general, the the general plan, the terminology used is different and updated in this general plan, but it's shown as detached residential. And I'll I'll I'll explain later how that comes into the recommendations. I just wanna provide that background. So at when when this was put in front of the council for a consideration whether to accept the annexation for further consideration, the the council did give direction to before bringing this back, come back with an annexation agreement. This this agreement has been drafted with these are these are really the primary points in that agreement. And one is that the the petitioner, you know, in conjunction with development there would improve 1,500 to city standards. They may seek a pioneering agreement to seek reimbursement for future developments who benefit from such developments. So that that area as you you that that stem that that's 1500 West that isn't adjacent to the development, they would need to improve that, but but they could they could through a pioneering agreement, those adjacent those property owners that benefit from that, could, be obligated to to reimburse that developer. Also, the petitioner would be required to upsize water, sewer, and stormwater utilities at the request of the city. Really, this would be based upon our master plans. And but that upsizing would be paid for the city as as it normally is. But just putting that out there that those those water and sewer and stormwater lines be upsized. And then in the agreement, and I and this is important for you to weigh in on this, which is part of the reason I wanted to, have both of these items together is the zoning because the agreement does spell out the zoning on the property, which is R 2 A to the North, as I mentioned, R M to the South. I wanted something I wanna I I included in the agenda item report was a response. Council member Lowerson mentioned this in a in a previous it was actually when talking about the Hansen annexation, a different annexation that within our, annexation policy plan, there's a statement in there that says that we should consider, you know, tax implications, revenue implications of of decisions for annexation. So just wanted wanted to mention that one thing, staff looked at is look looking at really, what these numbers represent is existing subdivisions in the city, and it's and it's and for re for a reason, it is only subdivisions because, in general, when a property is zoned a certain way and then and then it's subdivided a certain way. That's pretty reflective of what the underlying zoning, what the development type is rather than some, you know, some of the older developments in the city that it might be zone two acre zoning, but there could be a quarter acre lot there. So that was kinda left out of this analysis. But in general, what you see here is this is overall property taxes, not just Nibley property taxes, but overall property taxes, annually per acre by development type. So in general, as you can see, commercial, just looking at commercial subdivisions in Nibley was that was that was the number per acre of property taxes. And then and and this is just on average across across commercially zoned properties and subdivisions. So and then if you look at planned unit development or there's there's some older planned unit developments and then newer ones like Ridgeline Park, they're all all kinda pooled together. You're looking at closer to about 10,000 property taxes per acre and then on and then on down. And so, you know, r two a, you're looking at closer to 5,005 thousand dollars per acre. So that that was just something that was looked at, aggregated. Something that we'll probably bring back for the next consideration, we the the administrative staff has helped me get utilities. That's something else that's in the plan. It it says taxes and utilities, and so we're working on that. But I don't have that ready to present for this one, but just wanted to put that in front of you. Now, again, this is only revenue. It's not cost. The plan actually kinda just points to revenue. When I see it, we really ought to be looking at both sides of that coin. If, you know, if we're getting a certain amount of revenue, what's the cost of that development as well? But that's what we have prepared now. So I just wanted to kinda show you where we're at on that. Alright. So staff's recommendation is approval for both the development agreement and for the annexation and zone assignment. As I mentioned, staff's recommendation was based with respect to the zoning, was based upon the previous general plan. We didn't we didn't adjust that recommendation. We're we're we're, we're we're presenting it as we originally recommended to the planning commission, but that that was the original recommendation based on on the previous general plan. The planning commission's recommendation is zone designation of r two a for the entirety, and they did and they did list that, you know, the primary reason is because of the updated general plan and the detached residential designation is more in line with the general plan. But that's kind of a rundown of of this. So my recommendation, and it would be obviously, the first thing on the agenda is that annexation agreement. Review the the terms of those agreement, of that agreement if you're as including the zoning because that's that's part of it. So take that into account and take action on that first. What are we going to agree with the annexation and then and then take action on the actual annexation itself? Because it doesn't make sense to agree to an annexation after you've already taken action on the annexation. So so Yes.

So I I agree, Levi. It's a chicken and egg problem. And right now, we're talking about the annexation agreement. That's what's in the agenda. That's what we're talking about. Annexation is discussed. However, the way I read it is let's see. One parcel can be annexed into the R 2 A zone, and the other parcel can be annexed into the RM zone. And can's kind of an important word there because prior to the full public process required to annex property into the city, the city cannot promise or covenant that the annexation will occur or if it's only described herein in this annexation agreement, will be assigned as applied as applied for. So the the the zoning you're talking about, R 2 A and R N, can be obtained. Mhmm. But to me, it doesn't say there's a guarantee attorneys. Yeah. That it will be obtained. And to me, that makes sense because we haven't gone through the full process Okay. Of determining the annexation and the zoning if it does get annexed. Okay.

So you're pulling those variables apart. That's fine. That's fine. I think I think you I didn't understand it that way, but that makes complete sense. So yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. No. That's that seems right. I the cans and shells and shoulds. Cans is different than the shells. Yeah.

Especially when there's a specific disclaimer about and and we'll get through that. We'll get through to that tonight, but we have to we have to do some things and then do some more things to do work. Okay. No. That sounds good. So maybe maybe yeah. Maybe just take that that agreement.

And then and and then, yeah, obviously, there's a public hearing for the other one. And

And then consideration of annexation and zoning. On first reading if we go with first and second reading. Yeah. Yeah. So Right. We won't we won't answer the question completely tonight, or we we could. We canceled we'll do whatever the council wants to do.

K.

K. Any questions for Levi before we took, like,

As well. I don't know if we've had an annexation agreement since I've been here. So

that's It's gonna be longer than what we've ever done.

Yeah. I mean, that's probably just reflective of the attorney's recommendation. Oh, I should mention one more thing. The draft that is in front of you has has some red lines. It has some terms crossed out. I hadn't received from our attorney a a response on whether whether he's he would recommend those red lines or not. So I was hoping to get that by tonight, but I I wasn't able to get an answer on that. So but the applicant requested to to cross those terms out. So, anyway, we kept it on the agenda. We didn't want that to hold up the discussion.

Well, mayor, what are we doing? There's not a resolution on this. So do we need what do we need to do on this or agree with this?

It's a legal document. We don't we don't it's a contract. We don't do resume. We you could you could adopt it. You could say, you could look small in all of those options. I mean, given that, it kinda depends on what the council is feeling on first and second reading of the annexation and it's all set. I would certainly recommend that you that you have a zoning agreement into place sorry, an annexation agreement in place before we actually do the annexation. But if you do it in first if you're planning on first reading for annexation, seems like the annexation agreement could come with second reading and possible adoption of the annexation on second.

Nate? Yeah. I'll give you a motion to

what's the word? Continue. Continue this item with direction from staff to, a, get the attorney's thoughts on the red line, and, b, bring it back signed by the client.

And and maybe I'll just ask a question. Is there anything in in this agreement that's missing or should be changed that could help before second reading? If any if anyone has any if you've had a chance to to look at it, if there's, you know, something you expected that might be different.

Not that I see. Again, annexation agreements are kinda new for us. I'm not opposed to them. I not sure what I'm looking for, but I I think that's why we have a city attorney to tell us what we need and don't Question for you? Yeah. Sorry.

No. No. So that's part of yeah. That's part of the motion date. Not not not to my knowledge. At least I I didn't get a response in time for the meeting. So Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I I know it seems like a delay, but I in fact, if we go through the normal process of first and second greetings, I don't I don't see how this continuation of the agreement is actually in play.

Yeah. So this doesn't Yeah. This isn't the pioneer agreement. It just says we could we could they take if they if they want to, we could do a pioneering agreement. Yeah.

Consideration and maybe even review for the attorney there on did not owe what city wants.

I just you guys know we came in once before to your point on the pioneer agreement you brought up. That's just to, you know, cover our cost of putting other things in. They're pretty standard. We're not asking for anything special. Through this whole annexation, we all we're wanting to do is trade the the land laws that we get through the county for land laws we get from New York City. Not asking for any special favors or anything outside of anything norm. Where the annexation agreement sits now, if I didn't explain, your attorney sent this agreement to us. This is wasn't drafted by me or by us. And so Right. Where do you do that? The two paragraphs that we wanna redline, I have never seen anything remotely close to those in any real estate agreement in my life. And so I thought those were pretty aggressive. It was like, wow. He's really asking us to sign away a lot of rights in this agreement. We weren't comfortable with that. We just wanna be treated like any other citizen when we can move to New York City. That's kinda where we're at then. I'm switching agreement. I asked Levi Tuesday where we were at, what after sending that back to him. He responded, hey. We have her back. We turned it by the way to get that to the city council for Thursday. So I wasn't prepared or even thinking we were that close to coming to you guys with this agreement yet. I figured there'd be a few more times back and forth with this city prior to bringing you to council. I don't feel it's ready for you guys to review. So, yes, I'd love to see a table as well.

Thank you, Dan. And, I mean, just in planting, I I ignored four or five because I figured it was just the red line. I ignored it across that part. I mean, there are there are things in number five, I think, that by crossing those off, you actually benefit Citi. Well Says says you're not willing to sue us.

I but he never sued us today and I don't find him too. Yeah. I mean, as I said, I'm all very important. I'm still follow federal state code. I'm not trying to circumvent any of that. I want to be able to travel for it. I've found out our nation works. We have to follow the laws and ordinances.

And so on on work through both with our attorney, we do have some things to fix. We we we we're we're being delayed. This is an example. This is not a showstopper for you, not a, I hope, a problem for the council. But this is an example of where we have some throughput to fix with our attorney. We should be ready by by next month. K. K. Thank you.

Can I mention one thing? We did get one written comment too. I'm not sure Talon is that that's just filed with the public record, though. It's not it's it's or do they ask for it to be read?

So we did receive an email comment, and then that was sent out by Cheryl or recorder to each of you. She did ask the the resident if they'd like to have that read. They never responded.

So, yes, it will be included in the printed record copy. Now if you want it read, that's under the council's discretion. So let's I'm gonna suggest if, you know, if we look at this, that we include it in the written record public record. You always see the copy without a chance to create it. Let's say that's good enough. And then do you guys want me to go down the list? Kevin Karsner, you're first on the list. I'm not sure if you plan to speak. Dan, you're next on the list. I'm not sure if you plan to speak. Some people come and just sign up for things.

Some some things require you to sign up before you get into this. Yeah. We let we let all the bones in.

That case in point.

So, you know, jumping off the annuciation report and this portion of it, you know, When we purchased this property, that was our goal of all city's master planning goal. We came into the city the first time through the annexation. It was like, we liked the idea. People like me. They liked the idea of multifamily there at the time, but they're like, we don't find our own multifamily code. And so we're they're like, well, can we pull off on the annexation? Can we fix the code? Or are you guys going to come in as single family and then rezone you? And, you know, the discussion at the time was that I would rather wait, help you fix your code, and then we come back in for annexation. And so that's kind of the process we went through. We waited. We met with Levi, talked to people, advised on the code, came up with a new code as you guys came up with a new run code. Worked a little bit with Levi to make sure we could make that project work. Different drafts note in a few times. And then came back in and said, okay. Now I've got my idea of how your new code's gonna work. And they came and applied. And then as you see, in the meantime, it takes a minute. Your master plan's changed. So it was never our intent to come in against the city's will and covenant. When we purchased this property, it was in good faith that we'd follow your direction that you put out to the public. And so as you're weighing in on this and looking at it, hope that there's some thought that, hey. There was city direction that this should be multifamily. This pre piece was purchased. I understand that's changed to matter how that works, but we'd ask you to see if you would, you know, really consider leaving that piece. That's what the direction you're dealing with the time you purchased it.

Riley Nielsen?

Nothing? Okay. Thanks for signing up. I got your address now. I know where you live. Go ahead, please, Tim. Give you a chance.

with this property, the ArmZone to my knowledge, I don't think there's been a project on ArmZone

and everybody so far. Right?

And the problem with Hollywood is people have kids and vets, and the Hollywoods don't have anywhere to them the pets. And so the product that we here is a front load townhome. That's what has a driveway just like a single family home, and then it has a best backyard that they maintain that has grass that can do whatever they want. You know? The kids can play back there. They can put their bets back there. And it's been a really popular product, so we're not trying to try to sign as many Hollywood payments as we can in there. We really don't think that's what the the demographic of the buyer wants. And then I was sold real estate for many years and I sold a project in Hiram. And I didn't really know what to expect when I started, but it was really interesting. It was 50%, maybe even 60% of the people that were buying homes were people I went to high school and college with that were getting their first home. They just got married. They just got a new job. So I really do believe that a lot of people that that buy these in the arms are your kids, your, you know, your your neighbor's kids, people that went to high school at the Mount Everest. So I do think there's a need, like the the economic studies said of, the youth wanting somewhere to stay or maybe not being able to afford this.

Thank you.

Blaine Hamlin representing crush Heritage Land Development, neighbors of the property.

I just had two things I wanted to cover. I think

There's a a mindset when you say high density that you're just getting things crowded and, everybody's gonna be on top of each other. But the flip side of that, I look at the higher density options as a way to free up open space. If you can utilize that same area for group or families in there, that'll free up, open space to either stay open space or for other opportunities, like they were seeing with the commercial. I just feel like when we're developing, we're looking at I'm trying to conserve the the land. And by using the higher density, that's a a good option to do that, to to utilize that space and to to free up some open or keep open space open. The other part with this annexation, I just wanted to comment that, this looks like a a key position or a key property for future opportunities within the city to the south. I know we've been working with the city, having discussions anyway on possible future developments. And, without connecting this part or these parcels, those other opportunities will not be available, or they won't be available until things are connected and and then we expand them into those areas. So, yeah, those are my comments. Appreciate it.

I'm gonna not offer an opinion. I'm not gonna tell you about policy. I just wanna ask a question that Levi, counsel, will let me. A question on zoning. K. I'm gonna go ahead. Bar two a average of about four units per acre.

Well, per gross acre Yeah.

Oh, that's

fine. Two and a half. Two and a half per gross

Per

gross. Yeah. I mean, for net, three. And But yeah. The new

multi RM that includes multifamily per the same unit gross acre. How many units?

Probably seven to eight

at at most. Yeah.

10 per net developer acre.

K. Well, perfect. And invite the public to to speak. And don't be shy. We encourage him to tell us how to think. Justin's gonna speak. Justin's gonna speak. Greg, we can always count on you to say something even though we have to to twist your arm. He's such a good guy.

No? No. No. No.

No. Okay. Then if if no one else wants to speak, we'll waive the council's agreement, we'll close public hearing. It doesn't mean that you're prohibited, in fact, encouraged to reach out to council members and continue dialing up with them at a at a one on one. With that, we'll move to the discussion and consideration of twenty six zero six, which is annexation and zoning sign. Do you have any more to say? No. Okay. Council is here as in. Do you have a motion to approve for first reading? Motion to approve for first reading and a second from Nick. K. Discussion on that, please? Tell me, we I'm gonna ask some more questions. Of the proponent, do you all have an idea about purchase price for a a buyer wherever they are in their life on multifamily attached that you're thinking about versus, say, single family, non attached, average of quarter acre lots? Wrong person got it. Can you can answer it? Well, why'd you stand up there? I'm I'm I mean, I if you don't wanna answer the question, you don't have to. Just I'm thinking about affordability. I'm thinking about what what it actually means to people. Yeah. I'm driving through to impression homes.

Yeah. Multi things. What's we're going to the lot with four eight with Four eighty? I guess one of the question is is even the biggest ones that he's talking about are smaller lots and you can fill that are six, seven hundred thousand or smaller than what you're two way of ops. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Meeting. Right. You know, meetings.

as far

as that. Let's mark the price. Yeah. It'll be good. If if we get it down to maybe from 10,000, then the first time on buying it all quicker, we're talking about the grand. And so we're not. The the whole environment, we're getting technical with more of this gap in sessions. So we're doing 300. And we bought $3,000. So we're doing Okay.

this place from 1860

so that we could do better regional planning, I would. But we have 19 individual communities in this valley. And I have shown you maps from the mayor in Heimbro saying this is it it's on the website. This is what we intend. You know, we've talked about 4400 South as the beginning and end of mid way of Hireup, but we're we're not there anymore if if we have work. So there is there is the opportunity for land between two unincorporated municipalities to go to one or the other. And then sometimes we have to live with the impacts of something that's not in our account. Not being doomy and gloomy. Those are the discussions we have had with Hireup, which we have essentially set on the back burner while we try to figure out fire. Another hard problem, fire districts. So I'll leave that. I'll I'll preface that for our second reading that we did for that one. Other comments on promoting this to second reading? Anyone opposed to voting? Seeing no objection, those in favor of adopting for first reading, please say aye. No. Aye. Is there any opposed? K. Motion carries. Slide of zero. Thank you, counsel. Thanks for coming, Levi. Appreciate it. K. We're gonna move right along then. Let's talk about item 14. This is ordinance twenty six twenty. This is a substitution for our current residential solicitation ordinance. And,

Talon, you've been doing yeoman's work on this, and we I think we've got you down as the presenter. Are you okay with that? Yes. I'll be brief, and if there's any specific questions, please let me know. I'm gonna run. So as you likely know, the difference between substitution and amending, You know, with amendments, you'll see that red line and see what's being changed with the substitution. That means it's deleting pretty much what's exactly there in that chapter and then replacing it. So this is the the code that I and some other staff members have developed on residential solicitation, kind of in response to council direction from the previous meeting held May 7.

And,

specifically, the code puts in some prohibitions that were voiced in favor by some applicants such as time of day restrictions and no solicitation signs or the like. And it does keep it a little general as per council direction for neighbors and and to go about without facing restrictions in the city. And that's generally

speaking talent.

The reason why we don't have the there's a long kind of clerical reason why we don't have a public hearing, so it cannot even be passed, you know, and waive second reading. So it will come to another meeting per

direction with council mayor, but it's just on for first shooting tonight. Right.

Well, actually, there. Please get to approve for first reading.

And then most from Nathan, second from Nathan to approve for first reading discussion. I had right off the bat, Tal, and I I appreciate your work on this. It's good work. Right off the bat is registered solicitors and persons exempt from registration need not apply for any other licensed from a registration

from the city. So a registered solicitor is someone who has been issued

a current certificate by the city. What what kind of certificate? Right? Solicitorate

certificate? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Currently, it's in the form of a badge that that registered solicitor holds. Oh, man. With the image, the name of the business, and and the lead scam so that residents know that this is not somebody in violation of our code going around. So let's say that they have met the requirements per code and have paid the the fees.

Well, let's let's then help me understand and get the exemptions from this chapter. Is the from chapter, does that mean just the five point o eight point o three o or exemptions from the entire From the entire chapter. Ordinance. That's all. So individuals that qualify for exemption under this chapter need not register.

Yeah. Yeah. So those listed in that exemption section were the so the the entire five point o eight chapter. So that's religious ones. Yeah. Religious political things, neighbors going by. They they're in the exemption. Therefore, all of 508 Okay. Other than the exemption section. Okay. Yeah. I got you.

Sorry? I'm You talked to my consumers very well.

I you saw all the different cities I had, and I spent hours and and even some personal time at home just reading a a lot of code and just trying to tailor as best I could to really cancel this design. So

Well, I I think we should have a lot. I guess I could put a sign up. K.

Other thoughts or comment. The motion is for first grade. So this is to get clarification on the words, understand the words, or any adjustments that the council like to do.

A lot of times, we save amendments.

Right? Yeah. But, like, you're seeing a section that you'd like developed or fleshed out a little bit more Yep. To come out on second reading, Petri.

Is there opposition to voting? Saying none does in favor of adopting for first reading as presented. Please say aye. Any opposed? Five zero in favor. Thank you. Let's see. Who do they have a bet with about how late this meeting would go? Alan, I think it was you. Oh, yeah. I've got an hour.

Whatever way that is cash flow. One and two.

One and two. One and two. One and two. Let's have a workshop on property along in regards to. Justin, are you gonna cover that for us? Yes, sir. Thank you.

So in agenda, I'm happy we included agreement from 2006 when this subdivision was originally constructed. Let's just try it for just a second. All of this none of this existed at the time, and this trail kinda goes back here by itself. And so there was an agreement entered into by the former mayor and the residents that own these homes along this

1080. Is that 1080? 1080. And

the agreement basically said they were allowed to use this property as their own backyard as long as they kept it up and maintained it. Now that was in 2006. We've had some of the property owners that have changed out from the original owners and the original signers of the agreement. We've had some issues with that with the attorney and some discussion about that on whether the agreement is really enforced with new homeowners or not homeowners. And and it it's it's popped up a couple of times here and there. And so I believe that recently happened with one of the homeowners. Had some questions about the property and what's going on with the property and the potential of maybe even extending the property over the trail and using some of the other trail, and it just kinda bubbled up into this discussion point. And so we reached out to the residents that were still using the property along the back there, had a discussion about what to do with the property. And at that time, for those that I'm not sure all were there, but at the time that those were there, the direction was given to kinda look into, why don't you just tie this off and be done with the agreement and and purchase the property? And so we I reached out to Patience, our realtor that we use quite often, and she went out and found some agricultural land land on the fringes of Dibley City and came back with a square foot price. We also reached out to a surveyor to see what the paperwork cost to be able to redo the plat maps and the things to make it legal to be able to transfer that property over to the individuals. And you can see in the Genet and Packer account where those numbers came out. And I presented those those numbers to the, citizens. I don't think, kind of tapered off and discussions kinda stalled at that point. And so, really, what we're here to do is just ask counsel what direction he wants to take on this piece of property. And that is currently owned by the city but utilized by private citizens per this agreement that was assigned in 2006. And so, you know, it's an old agreement. It's it's great in a couple of areas. And and my my my recommendation is to tie it off one way or another. We should probably just be done with these agreements, and and and it's not gonna get any easier. It's not gonna get any clearer in the future to deal with in the future. So I think we should just come to a conclusion of what we want this thing to be, what we want it to do, and then move in that direction. So staff is here to get your direction on what you would like to see there and how you would like us to move forward with this property. So happy to answer any questions. I know, there's there's a lot of, risks here for this particular issue. I'm happy to do anything you guys would like us to do. We're looking for direction.

Can you just clarify the box 128130 article? These are the it's just all those that's on the right now. Yeah. So Yeah. These ones.

So These ones are and at the top, 12, three, four, I've I've had the most discussion with fifth one there, kind of the bottom that touches the park. They've indicated in the past that they didn't wanna use the property and some issues with the shed and fence walls and and some things like that. So

Yeah.

So

And so that's

I mean, it's very clear what this is supposed to work. And for us to see not really feeling like citizens are benefiting and it's better just to sell it to these individuals than.

I mean, it's fair to us.

Can you any of these are the same landowners?

I mean, not all of them. Some of them couple of them are the original land owners. So better now, even further down. I love that space. You know, some of them have, like, fences that you can see through, and that's kinda cool. There's gardens and stuff there. Yeah. I think it's very clear. I mean, if you're supposed to The city should sell the land to individual landlords. Yes.

Undeveloped. Right?

It spells it out pretty differently.

Yeah. Yeah.

the actual number to the to the homeowners about this is how much you would buy who you would buy this plan for? Yeah. So in the packet, it talks about I I went there's a chart that just shows and and it's it's I just pull dimensions off of this map, so we may need to refine the exact square footage. But we had patients go out to some farm undeveloped farm field on the fringes. Restaurant. We can't can't I added a contract. No. No. Yeah. Right. This is just was just preliminary discussions based on the meeting that we had to kinda get some idea what it might be worth her the way the agreement outlined. So that that's as best that that I could come up with on how to make that determination. So so I have given you know, they've shared that number to, apparently, everybody but the one on the South, and I I apologize. I don't remember any discussion. Seen the chart? Do you know what your number is? No.

Yeah. I didn't yeah. That Well, you don't have any I just assumed $80,000,000. Yeah. Right. The total is Yeah.

So and so all we would do is the same you know, whatever the property was, square foot wise, would be the same price, and then we would actually just spread the cost of the paperwork surveyor out by one more. So it wouldn't be hard to figure out that number.

Could I ask a couple of questions on this? So if I look at this, the media's yeah. The swans live and they're talking point two one. That's a significant amount of acreage we're talking about in the backyard there for $4,800. I mean, on the surface, that sounds like a phenomenal dip to the to the residents. Okay. Just just to be I mean, the idea that land could be that cheap is kind of like, are you kidding me? But, yeah, the the survey plan recording fee of $12.50, is that for each resident who would have to pay that? Correct. See, that seems high to me. Is there a way that the city could get that?

What do you mean? Like, I I don't have a surveyor on staff. I would have to do a contract with somebody to make that happen. Yeah. We split that. We we residents put a cost.

So that's not a six minutes. I think they're gonna, like, pull the the lens will get there, please. But do we have to pay the equipment have to be filled in and it's the survey?

Yeah. That's up to you guys. I mean, I just got what it possibly

I mean, I I I I'm kinda and they're willing how you what how do you wanna split it or what you can do?

Yep. I'm just throwing out, like, oh, the land seems fair, really fair. But the survey seems

that's just a a lot of money for that. Yeah. I've been just for error. I just survey I went to was a guy that did the original subdivision thinking that he would have the files and he built it as cheap as possible just so he that came from.

Yeah.

But I'm happy if you if the city wants to pay for it. I just don't I don't know what to do with myself. I have to go contract that with somebody. Yeah.

That's what it would cost city to contract somebody just different.

all is coming.

Yeah. That's fine. We appreciate your graciousness.

We didn't get any.

I desire for with $6,000 on the. I just thought.

You mentioned

putting put down saying, hey. This is where I want things to go. Yeah. Yeah. I came out with the city planner. He said So I followed the if anyone could probably have to buy the church and just follow that.

That was Bill?

Bill. Yes. He's actually public works. We didn't have him. Public works. So so so

I kinda echo what what Shane said. I appreciate what you guys what you're doing and help us come to a resolution on this. Don't really know what is what else to say about it. It is a funny deal. You guys have have have admitted that. We have appreciated using the property. We've lived there twenty years. We've been the original signers on that. Actually, when we moved there, there was no sidewalk there at that point. I based my fence line, truck line off of the apartments that is actually lines the canal. So I went and said, that's kinda how I base my little wood fence and where we eventually put our bushes and shrubs and stuff. So I know there are some differences in property lines that's gonna make that. I think we would be interested in how you're basing dimensions off of. Where do you call the back lot line? Is it in the canal? Is it that fence line that may it's been there, obviously. So is that a legal line? I that's where you can decide in your calculations and measurements. I think there was some talk from homeowner that's actually that's house up for sale right now. I don't know all the terminology. I'll just keep it. The sidewalk, if our property would further than the sidewalk, the sidewalk would be what do you call that? There's a name for it. It's in an easement to allow for that sidewalk to go through the properties. I don't know the legalities of that. It's just another thing to consider when you determine a lot size or a property boundary. As far as property value, I think I'm I'm on board with the concept that it is of no value to to the city or anyone else, really, but I do believe there probably should be a price put on it. I think there's been some comparisons made to the other property across across the the canal there. And I think just to remember that there is no agreement signed by anyone on that side of that issue. That is the the public's property. I remember when that development went in, that was supposed to be garden area for that develop for the project. That's what it when I came here and looked at the maps, that's what that was for. I mean, you can do whatever the city wants to. If you wanna put in a dog park or whatever you wanna do back there, that's that's options. But, yeah, I I think we're ready. We're ready to purchase. We're ready to finalize this. We look at we our family looks at it as an investment for our posterity when they have this home, when we're, if that's the scenario that it has a nice sized lot and we've maintained it all these years, I would hate to see it go away, you know, after these scenarios.

And and if you were selling your property or let's just think of it that. If you're selling a property, would would you like to have this issue resolved?

Oh, yeah. I don't know. I'm not really sure how. I know how it's taken place in the past, and it's just not communicated by real estate agents. Right. The full

what's happening in the back. But if a buyer went out and had a survey done, they'd say, oh, wait a minute. Correct. Buyer buyers do those. And that would complicate the sale, I assume.

Yeah. So I I think it's basically our Where's the where's the title done?

Yeah. It's close to the 10 report.

Dying. He's dying pretty quick. Right? Yeah. No. He's taking it.

Yeah. He taking it.

Yeah. K. Please. Oh, go ahead. Just real quick. Just so you know, the numbers I show on the chart, I tried really hard to just go off the yellow lines and where the fence lines are that not including the sidewalk area or anyone. Just I tried to trace the fence line as best I can.

Which would be very difficult with HIF one, which is Yeah. So you can have some data. Yeah. I mean, you could do a similar buffer from the trail. Just one. Sorry. I apologize about

I think The surveyor. We

rely on the surveyor to refine those numbers. I guess, is where I headed. Yeah.

The other half of this one. I just wanted to say I did look this up. Even though this sounds really weird, this has happened in other places even in Utah. Open space has been sold back to private citizens, especially those that are closer adjacent to. And a lot of times the cities will pay the price of their surveying and the plotting that that needs to happen off of the price of the land. So then it makes it to where it's a little more palatable for the homeowners, but it also doesn't have to come in front of the for the city funds to be able to do a suspending a win win situation. And I do I wanna open it up if you guys ever wanna come to my backyard and see the beautiful beautiful area that my husband has created in that backyard. The agreement was is that we take care of the land and I can attest to the fact that Regisstyn has taken care of this land for twenty years, far better than any city that I've ever seen. It's my personal oasis in the back. So I would love to be able to purchase this one as a part of our home.

Thank you. I agree. Like, we're putting in charge of most land and city headlining.

I don't know. Change. So this this this parks compartment. I work with our parks department, city Saint George, and you guys are here.

In front of Very nice. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. I've cleared a.

I think there is something to be said that they have here planned and maintenance

for almost twenty years. I think there has to be some weekend into that as well. Just in context,

the other day, I'm point two one eight for a lot right now. Can't tell you about it. It was an billable lot. You'd be looking about $1.85.

$108,100,000 dollars. Yeah. Yes.

I do. I do not need the

officer building a buildable offer. 23,000.

I'll just make a comment with Tony Tuggan, lived there seventeen years. I'm not one of the original owner. I'm in a little different situation, but I do feel like I have maintained an unfaility agreement that was signed. And with the trail in the backyard speaking to that at first, when that sidewalk went in, the first two or three years, we hated it. The last three or four years, we've loved it. It's just nice to see different people from different parts of the community. We offer dogs on it all the time. Like, it is great. So what changed?

Our fence. I mean, the fence? The privacy? The private. How tall is your old paint party fence?

It's just a vinyl bench. It's almost six feet tall. It's far enough away from sidewalk. You can see over it. So it's Yeah. Work with the vents. But I mean,

I can look in your backyard. I I don't mean to. But

So you're not there. There are plenty of city property that is not accessible. The water storage thing. Like, some of these be a water forest thing, but there are plenty of property in this office.

But we would appreciate that. You need your person to give them. Appreciate your time. K. Thank you.

Oh, can I say something, Aaron? And I have been living back here. I've been And they have split equity into this. If you use that phrase, I'll use that phrase. I guess some recommendation to staff would be for me, I'd like to sell the because it's listed, the land cost. And with that land cost, have plenty of money to pay for the survey of the land. So this is not making money making this to a building and landhold with the club cost where the was on the left hand side. The front end was an $830 rather than the 6,000 within SWAN's property. That's just my opinion. It worked for Connecticut. Please.

Don't point to the locks. We have a We're the water. Yeah. Right there. Thank you.

So we came in at kind of a tricky time because when we purchased our home, we weren't there for fifteen, twenty years. We offered well, we wanted to put a fence down at all. The other was no fencing. So and so we were told that we had to do it on our property line. However, we do have a shed that's my understanding has been there for years and years and years that they were wanting us to tear the shut down. Anyways, the shed's still there, but we did put up a fence. So I guess that we don't know. We were just notified of us just a couple days ago. So we wanted to purchase the property back when we purchased the house and talked to, mainly, Levi, I have a conversation with, but we got it with Bentham. Now I don't know if we would purchase it. However, I don't know what that means for part of our property for our shed and stuff that is still on city possibly.

So we just told you that the city city property. So can I can I draw where I think your fence went? I think the fence went across the front of the shed. No. It's right a little further.

Right here. Right here. So Near right along the property, man.

Can you do that? Sorry. It's hard to

do it from here because of this

Yeah.

We'll find out. You mean, the way that the way it is kind of awkward. It's kinda weird. It just in there.

Perfect. Yeah. I I think it might be pretty easy to just move, like, the you know,

wherever the line actually is after a survey switch. I do it flaw essentially.

So now the first picture I have actually on our front view line, the sidewalk was on our property.

Yeah. So that These aren't exactly precise. I'll just say that.

Yeah. Mhmm.

That's when it worked that I didn't wanna maintain behind by. But previous event, they did do a beautiful job of it, and I told the city to take over and take care of it. They come out way back maybe six months, And they they we had actually a turf down that they had removed that now have weeds that have come up. I'm not sure why they put the turf down. But so I guess I don't I don't know where we stand. I wasn't given any type of estimate. Like I said, whether we would purchase that kind of view or not, we don't know, but it is still our property, and we do have partial property among the city property. Fires don't have a word that stands for

us. Mhmm. Yeah. That's a good question. And I and I apologize. I I don't know. Maybe one of the part of those early discussions about person, but to my knowledge, I I was told or far understood that there was an object interest in in person. So I apologize for that.

But that's kinda what it's it happens hopefully to you today.

I I I would say, though, that we do probably use is a little special. We do need to figure out what to do, whether you wanna buy or you don't. And, like, no, it's not ideal for us to have the shed the way it is to be able to to to really do much than we're doing now. And as far as maintaining it, we really just put it on the same schedule as the rest of the the kind of the moral of the space to the west there.

Put it in kind of outlet of maintenance. So

yeah. But yours yours is a little special.

Because, I mean, it is right at that. It kinda been a couple of strokes. So people walk by it regularly and Yeah. It does look good right now. It's an intersection. It's just the weather we take over, I don't have to refence it is a huge talk for us, and I don't know that I would want to do that personally. Up fencing costs a lot of money and what we want to have to refence the whole property three years later. I don't know. But whether we buy it or not something, it should be there. It's a great walking area, and it's a it's nice in person whether the city maintains it and actually does something with it. Or my husband and I decided, you know, maybe we would like to purchase it and refence. I don't know. But Do you use the shed?

The shed? Do you use the shed? Yeah. We use.

Like I said, it's it's been there for I probably will be 18 a year. I don't know. You know, you've been there. I think it's.

Yeah.

I think they're all good enough. They have it. They just live their firm. I mean

Well, I I think it's awkward to negotiate for us. And, Dan, are you gonna solve this for us? You stuck around when you put your net. You're gonna put multifamily housing here?

Not sure which way this is gonna pivot, but another way to see if you can look at the value, if you have parking back fee instead. It goes and evaluates each piece of common area. If this was not being kept by being on the other side, that would be part of that parking back fee study. This tells you you're valued there. My assumption is that'll give you a lower value in which to justify the excessive impact. Oh, you're not sure which way that's gonna tip it? It does make it lower. It might make it easier for the city council just to buy a purchase price practices and Yeah.

That you can So that monitors

the sweat sweat equity that people have done to it. It was just one of the problems when you said it back. It's a different way you said programming this. Almost there.

I just want to look. I I like your situation. Obviously, the fees that they I'd be happy to pay those and done. I would do whatever.

we take the total price. Look. Can you try the screen I'm looking at? Swan's is $4,800. The land cost whatever we agree with the land cost, let's have the city use that money to pay the survey recording fee.

That's my recommendation. So should we take that land cost 50.

We take that money and use that money to pay the recording fee. So we're not gonna make any money, but we're we're just saying thank you for doing a great job of maintaining this for twenty years. We're not losing money as a city, but we're realizing that we value these citizens. They've done a great job. They've made this place they've made the city a better place living here. Thank you. It's a win for both sides.

Plus, you're getting tax revenue from the increased

on beef. That's not I I'm not gonna disagree, but I'm gonna play the design. It'll really the agreement says you will maintain the space. Right? Yeah. This one equity stuff, I'm I'm gonna call it a a lock. Yeah.

But these people haven't paid any week from projects on this for decades. Right?

And like you just said, we will let now have to. You will. Right? So I I I I'm not saying don't do that, but I think that we can already both sides of it. Right? And that's why I think we we adjust and kinda do it, but I like what's proposed. I think we need the survey and stuff done based upon what they want to buy. So for instance, yours are super unique. If you don't comply at all, you you kind of start to draw that line, but you need the survey to know how much we're done. Right? That's where it's. So you gotta get survey on the other day for it. And then you need to have a cost on it. I just my suggestion is business.

Yeah. And I guess my only question to that is if if we're gonna start zigzagging, some people want all, some people want less, that's gonna be super difficult to do anything that I can I It might be, it's all?

I see that. The fifth law has

Council didn't approve. Just just for the record, council did not approve the second amendment. The mayor did.

The mayor?

Mhmm. Council?

Yeah. I I can look at that. On feedback fee, I think that's a good example. Yeah. I can look at that. Property across the street has been valued,

undeveloped. Yeah. It's been maintained.

Ted, did you get what you wanted, Justin? Mostly. K. Why don't we just agree on the left hand column then?

I don't that? Counsel? Well, Nathan said he preferred the right hand column, but he said he preferred the left. Do you wanna take a vote on this, or you really can't because it's just a work show?

No. No. Okay. I do.

Maybe that would extend us. No. Maybe they do wanna buy it, but maybe the the 5 or 6,000 right now is a little tough with Citi Finance.

Yeah. I actually had that thought too. What we did it over a two year period or something or three year period. I I have no objection to that.

I mean, an unexpected

That's not complicated. Buyer work. Well, I'm just I I don't have to think of it. It makes it unattainable.

USA lost for you too. Sure. Can't get read it.

I thought you said it in the. That's why. Alright. The last thing we have then on the on the agenda is council reports, and we need We missed 16. We need to. Thanks for coming out. Sorry, Ryan. But Do I need to pull something up? Bet. Anytime this There's something I need to pull up?

It's about 15.

And this year, we're 87. That's the year we're Yeah. So it's about 15.

where So probably on the

About a month ago, he chose to these two, just to be as an example, cleared the residents. When when each of the properties that we see on and categorize them into four different tiers as far as priorities, they range from

properties with trees and sports fields all the way down to

no irrigation and variable irrigation, but then no usage. And so we've taken I can show you the ET based reductions, and we're able to do two ET reductions with our e smart controllers. But with our conventional controllers, we're just taking and using and what the runtime is off of the smart controllers and adjusting it that way. One of the benefits of the smart controllers is let's see.

It's here.

The system considers rainfall, wink as the temperature, the slow time, the slow this the plant is the root depth and the evapotranspiration as well as some insights from previous years of the trip management. And so I think there's one more slide, I think. Just just hold on. Yeah. So here's a list of those properties and how we broke them out.

The council can give us input if they weren't just

adjusted as far as the properties. And then but I can't remember this one. And so that here's one of the examples of. Any questions or comments? Some of the other means that we use are are doing to reduce water and help the reduction of water is we have two people also are going through and just testing sprinklers, making sure we should make we're supposed to do. Not a watering asphalt concrete. Just for a little reference, if a little public screenwriter is leaking and it runs for about a month, it would use roughly 1,500 gallons. It would just let out. But you take a big turf head that's in one of the sports fields, and that same month of use would be a 125,000 units, which is flooded. So we're proactively trying to footing those, not only by our sprinkler crew, but our blowing crew because they're watching for those wet areas. Another thing that we're doing is we're using wetting agents, which helps the soil absorb the water better.

And then we're increasing

some of the mowing pipes and the frequency of the moat so that they're not being mowed as much and they're not causing them to grow faster. And then one of the things that we're looking at next year is that was looking at parcels that we can move turf and go to the lower water usage landscapes. There are some incentives from the state, so we're working on those things. Questions? Unless the workshop so, Erin.

So you have the parts listed in the hierarchy, but are we differentiating between the the parts strips in the Yes. So some of the bar strips that are listed on here,

it shows that they're where the trees are and then and another priority, like, with let's take the middle guard retention of the box to sprinkle the setup so that the center area, we can either turn off or just water the trees. And so those zones are adjusted so there's no water on the trees. Same way as the on our west, there's sections where there's trees. So we're watering those trees alive and the other areas where we're using the water. So those areas we look up. Remember, those are the case. Yeah. I agree.

Okay.

And you'll notice public works is one of the least water that we have. It's like gets water once a week, whereas sitting on gets watered three of the week.

So I think it's important to just note that based on we've we've been in a level two, but we've kind of been held off on being aggressive with level two until we're done with Heritage Days. And now we're done with Heritage Days, and you might start seeing more Browns Of Oz pop up. And so don't be surprised. Don't be surprised when people complain and say our parks aren't doing their job and things like that. So we you will see brown spots. Yeah. No. This is not. This is great.

Yeah. People are ready to be

be concerned. It's just the city's

method described.

Maybe just one note on I'm just curious. So are we, like, getting the complaint? Are we ever asked the citizens water a certain amount of days per week?

Or Well what are we gonna do with that? Yeah. So we're not to that point of and don't anticipate getting to that point unless we have a problem with one of our needs. If we have an electrical problem or cabin problem or an issue with one of our wells, then we will pull that some sort of trigger like that. I mean, we have mapped out a few ideas and some things. We probably need to get that nailed down so that if and when happens, we can absolutely pull trigger even. But but as long as our wells keep running, we we don't have to pay out and do that this time. And I think you're right. We would have to do that, but that might not be a bad idea

knowing that the

I I mean, it it's just we're asking everybody to cut that water. Yeah. It's That's just that might be just in the spirit of cutting back, that might not be a bad idea kind of.

Yeah. So right, mate. So so we've had some of those discussion internally as staff and

and and have discussions with other municipalities. And believe it or not, the

for lack of a better analogy,

the COVID toilet paper shortage applies here 100%. There's many the people here, there's gonna be a shortage. We're not gonna be cut back. They're gonna water them over to make sure they're so so we've had that discussion. If you guys really feel that's important, and so just to try to set that example, we can continue that discussion. But as staff, we decided

not to pull that trigger for that reason. Right. Should I answer and I agree to To to rule that, Randy, we would wanna make sense that their users could re reduce theirs by 20%. And they've been told that if it doesn't get reduced by that 20%, they'll just turn you off. Our citizens have went 15% without without that mandate. So they've done it on their own. So I think that's a good example that they're willing to to do it on their own. So they're already kinda self managed. Yep. That's where I think you

Just if I may, it just for entertainment sake, we we had the opportunity this week to go down and and visit the Ogden City water treatment plant at the Piney Reservoir. They can water from Piney Reservoir. It goes in one side of the plant, then the other side drinkable. They only run that plant for six months of the year, $2,000,000 $2,000,000 a year budget just in case somebody takes a drink of water out instead of spraying on the lawn. So it's it's all used for irrigation on lawns. And but they have to have it in place because it's the same pipes as people drink water out of. And so they have 2 $2,000,000 a year. I don't know what the, like, the annual payment on the debt is. I I I didn't pull that. Maybe it's already paid on, but it's it's amazing the amount of water that we have to create to water it. That said, it is still ridiculously cheaper than putting in a secondary water system. The upfront capital cost of putting in secondary water system, I could drill tens. So it's just an unfortunate reality.

Just just for reference,

if you would say as the parts of the room to open space, we're using around 700,000

gallons per acre of water. So One last thing,

So Any other questions that were for me?

I I would you know what? We ought to do something here. I'm talking to Justin about this. We should encourage all of our residents. And and, Steve, the numbers you gave were encouraging heading in that direction. But we should take the weather station data. You can get it off the web or go from our own weather station there by ridgeline. And we should offer an incentive to our residents as a whole to save water, conserve water based on an ET data that the the weather says you need this much water. If the if the if the weather station says you don't need any you don't need that much water and we actually see a total consumption city go down, you know, we could, like, incentivize that for our residents, give them a break on their bill at all and and and not give them the reward if the ET demand goes down, but our water usage doesn't go down. And when you talk about the amount we've not pumped, right, the other side of that, it's like a budget. So there's the expenses, but then what was the revenue? Right? What what was the water demand?

But with the schools,

you can see it probably trickle with the middle school there. We would know that much more to impress.

The Heritage Elementary just last Watery used one a little over 1,100,000 gallons in in that kind of month frame. And, some of us as staff driving by saw some sprinkler headset had broken and were just spraying straight up and mostly out into the road. And so we reached out, and the other day, they're out and and addressing those now. Don't know how much that's gonna reduce, but they are responsive to fixing some of those irrigation issues. That's exactly what I asked.

And I I think at some point, we just need to look at our our scripts and get rid of them.

Yeah. Yeah.

The LDS Church was one of the leading

customers of this technology, the smart irrigation technology, whether it was in Kansas.

So the goal here is that people can serve enough money that we have to brace the brain.

There you go. The the irony of smart irrigation, by the way, we have such predictable ET demands. You could almost just program day of year into your controller Really? And forget about wind and temperature and all the weather data. Just take a historical ET based off of day of year. Just

Oh,

I can see what she's doing.

Staff reports. Ready? Yeah. I'm now. Oh, I'm just kidding. Tara and I are was just a friendly.

I I did see. This isn't I don't know if we would open the hand for it to be in this meeting, but the 2600 Road sidewalk issue, I feel bad for how that's run down as far as the residents have someone happy with where we're at, and then look at it as such a benefit for, you know, $500,000 benefit. So I don't really have any report as much. So I just hope this gets resolved. I feel concerns can be small enough somehow. Yeah. And, hopefully, end of the day, we think every time it happens with me, it's vacation,

crowding here. I don't know. It's I I wish

it's one of those things I I say, it's too bad at 95% project. Now we have a concern. It'd be nice that we we can all ask the table before the starter.

Yeah. Luke? Yeah. I mean, Justin, just from your perspective and I know there's just to just continue that.

Thought the week was great.

So appreciate everyone that was involved. That's it for me. Thank you. Dave? Yeah.

Yeah. Thanks for letting me drive a tractor. My wife was because she was green, so we should have the same song.

And

on that, but

I don't know if we have any discussion about that. I would ask and see if that's even more or read them. Part of it, but there's a gap. Yeah. There's there's

still a gap.

It will not be completed. K. Yeah. Yeah. Just. Then I wanted to know if I can do it. I'm gonna make sure we get a code for a minute change because I'd like to revisit since we passed on that code review. And now they have a little extra since we did snowfall snowfall. We'd like to reopen that and and seriously consider doing a full code review this year. So So so instead of quite a little bit more than that, that would come next and remind us a 180,000. Yeah. Because I like to try to have a new general plan and everything, and I have the new definitions and spend a lot of time. Well, you know, compliance with them. That's just just my way off. I think.

Well, I think I have the bike park's awesome. It's fun. Right? It's fine. It's a fun day. It's It's a little hot, and then that's you know, shade there. But it's probably the beach. Bigger plan for some shade for the kids and major become awesome, which, again, is but it's awesome, and I think it's really awesome, Barb.

Yeah. Thank you, Colin. There's a temporary shakes Tasha ordered, but FedEx sent the link back and just deliver them. So I'm working with the supplier and get them here. There'll be a small shade structure there until we get the permanent one in place.

I believe chip and seal starts this week.

I just had one question about 32. She brought us up and talked about it for the middle school's baby bills. I mean, are there concerns of, like, we'll be seeing the chip and seal with with their construction still going on, or we kinda feel alright about it? It'll be done. They'll be done then. Yeah. They'll be done. That'll be paid before we chip up. So our week leaders so the hours are already Yeah. And then, like, we continue to have, like, bar struts and construction. And shipping. And we'll see. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that you've done a good job of starting to get people heads on on this. Appreciate that. Yeah. We had we had a good conversation with him. He sent over to really good job and goals, so we're pretty excited about the project for this week. I don't think we can begin until after the July 4. So happy birthday,

Monica.

That's a it's one enthusiastic. We lost. We lost

Just just wanted to, I guess, express thanks to the council. I just attended an economic development course in Denver and Colorado, basic economic development course. Learned a lot of good things there. We we had a we had a discussion today with with Mayer and and Justin kinda brainstorming where to go with this in light of the strategic plan that that we were talking about. So that's that's kinda top of mind right now.

Yeah. It was I appreciated the the briefing and the warranty sharing that with the council. That's kind of goes along. Justin? I got another one. Alan? Nope. Okay. If there's no objection, we're in the agenda. It would be adjourned. I see no objection.