Hyde Park City's Zoom Meeting 9.24.25

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We wanna welcome those or they or him to our city council meeting for September 24. We're going to start the meeting with the council member Fowles will give us either opening thought or prayer followed by the pledge.

I'll offer a prayer, Mayor. Okay.

and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thanks, Dave. Never had that.

Well, thank you. You you deserve it, mayor, and you need it. And so That's not the only time I would pray for you. Well And I'm sure it's not the only time the rest of us have prayed for you. I just

appreciate it. You bet. I finished

today. It's been a long three days. For yeah. And

looking forward to my next one. So

when I say looking forward, I mean, not really. Right. We we all know you're You're not kidding. Sarcasm and all the rest of that. Yeah.

But thank you. The first item on the agenda, I'm gonna say it now. I let the chief know that this was a small agenda and that he's had some things going on and then said his family is more important. And so I said you you don't need to come. Don't come. So the first item on the agenda is to accept the meeting minutes from September 1016, the workshop. So council, do any of you have comments? Let's take September.

Nope. No comments. I'm I'm good with Yeah. Not for me.

Do you have any comments on the workshop? Okay. So if no Yeah. If not, I will look for a motion to adopt the meeting minutes from September 10 and September workshop.

I'll motion that we approve the minutes as written.

Got a motion from Tiffany. Is there a second? I'll second it. A second from Stephanie. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Thank you. The next item is to approve the agenda. We have no I I know of no other changes to the agenda. If you don't, I'd look for a motion to approve. I'll to move. Second. Got a melt motion from Gerald and a second from Kurt. Any discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Motion carried again, five zero. The next item is to open our city council up for resident input. I always say resident because we are residents of Hyde Park. We're citizens of America. There we go. Questions and comments to the mayor of the council. Please review your comments or or limit your comments to more than no more than three minutes. It's a time, a place for a person who wished to comment on non agenda items and items that are relevant to the the leadership in the city council. Items brought forward to the attention of the city council will be turned over to staff, and and hopefully, we can provide a better response rather than just trying to come off the cuff with a response as we sit here. If if we have questions, if there's only one person, then we'll close the input, and you could discuss and perhaps ask more questions if you want to better inform yourself. So we'll open it up at this time for resident input. Having none, we'll close that portion without the the chief's report. Dania, do you have anything that you want to report from the staff?

No. And Marcus didn't leave a staff report. So Okay. I was gonna say it's yeah. If you got the staff report,

I'm not sure what I want to discuss on the CRA. They are gonna come. Yeah. Pardon? Because they are gonna present the Yes. We we met with a business light industrial group this last week, and we are putting together more questions that we have for, I think, council, you know them as back 40. We're putting forward questions that will either go probably go to them on Monday, and they'll they'll turn around and get us some responses

as best they could with the information they have. And all council members can submit questions? All anybody have questions, and we can submit them more.

Okay. Perhaps email. I I will I will forward you an email that we that Marcus has started. And if you want to add anything to that, please respond to the council and Marcus on those questions. Marcus is gonna be the focal and get it to Sean Mill, who's the economic development person, and we'll go through that way. But got a pretty good start on some questions that we are curious about. They may they may be able to answer perhaps 90%, some stuff they don't wanna it's not that they don't wanna disclose. I just don't know that they know their answer yet. Mhmm. So, anyway, we'll have that. And they will be coming probably, it might be the second meeting in October. They'll probably travel out here to to meet and discuss with the council at a council meeting. So or perhaps we'll have a meeting before that. But, anyway, that's that's what they want to be able to do. Other things as far as input, it's tentatively that I've been told a date for asphalt on Center Street. I'll give you a time mid October because they seem to struggle hitting dates. But I'll I'll tell you that. I'll I'll Where What's the last reasonable time that you get asphalt? So there there's two answers to that. We have a required minimum ground temperature that it must be and rising before they can put asphalt down. And the batch plants close when did they close last year? Mid November?

Something like that. So there is a little

Yeah. Okay. Mid November. They can shorten that too. Certainly can. You get a cold snap and they get a frost in the ground. They're just gonna be hard for them to get the frost out of the ground.

I drove down this today. Well, that's a long ways for me to get close to even finish.

Yeah. Yeah. So there's that. I'll make you aware of we had a water leak in the line on Dave's Road where he lives. That would be we had a water leak. It was repaired, and then it leaked again. And by leak, I mean,

not quite Old Faithful, but it was coming up quite well. And and then it leaked well, and then at Old Faithful again and again. So it's been four times since Monday. Yeah. It yeah. In four different places.

Four different places. One of them was twice in the same area, so five leaks. But But Right. Yeah. Did are citizens losing access to water during all of this? Are we turning their water off? Dave and I actually helped knock on some doors to before the guys were shutting it off to tell them to fill up their sinks and their tubs and stuff. So they're very appreciative. They're very good and understanding, but I think this needs to be a lesson in our process in that that road was reasphalted. New asphalt was put down. I think the in the ten months that Charles was there, we had new asphalt put down. There wasn't an assessment of the infrastructure that's underneath that. So we got a brand new road that's gonna have patches all over it. So in the future, before we move forward on any overlays or grind and replace, we, as a city, need to have an assessment of the infrastructure that's under it. And either if we can't afford it, we move to the next project, and we save money to replace that infrastructure because the amount of I think we're gonna go ahead and replace the infrastructure now, but now we got half a road that is spent, five repairs that have been spent, man hours, materials. And we this road will be the most expensive half road in the city.

So That services, what, eight or 10 residents? Eight or 10 homes. Yeah. So In fact, mayor, since you've mentioned that, I know of two roads that we've resurfaced this summer. Yep. Right? And

did we look at the infrastructure before we did that? I I can't answer that for positive, but I I'll put lunch on it and say no.

Okay. So but I'll probably ask the question of you offline somewhere sometime. So, like, mayor, what's the process

that we've we've we've got in place? We need to have that process. Yeah. Okay. Good. So that should be it's a hard learning curve, but nonetheless, learn from our mistakes, either we're bound to repeat them. The other one, major thing in this we we've got the grant information proposal ready to go forward. Marcus is gonna make that, with the help of Josh. That presentation has for Wolfpack Way is will be on the October 6. And then the grant awards are later well and I say the recommendation for grant awards are later in October, and then it's gotta go to Cache County Council for approval. That is a is a big one. We also had a contractor on the well house knocked down a power line. And I got the news from Ben while he was repairing the roads. So and I was told that it was secured inside the pickleball court. So I was more than a little shocked when I got down here, and I saw six people playing pickleball. I I was, yeah, I was concerned. Had to make some calls. And between the time that they notified Ben, I guess Rocky Mountain was on their way down, and they had disconnected it at the top of the pole. Thank goodness. I was I wanted to go talk to him, but I was afraid to go out there. As I can say, when I was leaving yesterday,

DWA was putting padlocks on all of the gates, so they were locked. I saw the padlock

locked on the chain link fence over here. Like Don't don't touch the fence. And it's Mhmm. I oh, I didn't dare touch fence. I had no idea. And but there was no injuries. That was the first question I asked. Nobody was injured, but, man, they're the communication that they or the lack thereof Mhmm. You know, is troubling. And so that'll come up at our next Tuesday construction meeting with Josh probably should do it, not me. Because safety is just yeah. It's frustrating. And then the other thing is tomorrow night, meet the candidates, 7PM. Come, and we got three great candidates that are out there that are more than the big thing is we have people willing and able and wanting to do it, and that's that's what's good. That's what benefits the community. So and don't wanna lose my agenda. So the next Mayor, just real quick, would you mention

the surprise meeting that Tiffany and I got to attend yesterday afternoon about the USU and the landscaping? That effort Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Since we didn't know anything about it, we thought we were gonna learn something, and we did learn. They they learned that they were guest speakers.

Presenting the information.

Just because they're all gonna be engaged in that in the next couple months. And

so if you recall, Visionary Homes has procured Lois Farley's property, and they've given a grandiose idea for the development and about a two acre park in that area. But we're trying to determine what type of park it would be. So Visionary engaged with USU landscape architecture department, and they came here as a little workshop to try and understand what it is the city would like to see in this park. And if you know where this this park property in that if you remember, Lois Farley's property, there's a little drainage area. So we're looking I think the consensus says is that we're looking for something that is different than all the other parks. There's parks that have soccer fields and play structures. This could be a good I I say nature and nurture where you can have learning opportunities with some of the landscape of what it does and how it how it grows. Maybe it's through native and things like that. It could have learning and growing that way, and yet it's big enough to still have a pavilion. And if they're gonna do play structures, perhaps it's more if you've seen them, the composite logs and and rocks and let kids play on those kind of things. We found that we have this nice play structure structure up at Middle Lions Park, but we needed a rock retaining wall up there to hold back that hillside. Kids play on those rocks almost more than they play on the play structure. So so it you know, we want them to think out of this box, but we also told them of challenges, cost, maintainability. What were some of the other things? Some of the things we like in parks where parking becomes an issue.

So Talked a lot about. And and Mikkel was part of it, and and mayor Tiffany and I had a lot of conversations about what the mayor's talking about. Something different, something, you know, more nature oriented perhaps and not just the same thing that we can have or we do have in all of our other parks and really just kinda we we gave them so much. I don't know how they're gonna come up with it, but they're gonna come back in a month with some preliminary ideas. Ideas. Ideas. Some concepts. And then two more meetings after that as they continue to work it. And then I guess what? By December, in a semester, they're gonna have six different proposals and present them and let us, I guess, pick the one we like. And They'll they'll have them up at the university, and and they'll probably

we did that with Rendezvous. And if you recall, we got heads these these people, we we told them, what would you like? You know, we built we're building a city for people that it's not us. We already live here. It's for the future. It's for kids. It's for youth. And know that you recognize you're between a middle school and a high school, and they could use it as a learning opportunity. There's a lot of things. Look at North Logan and see what they have. Look at Smithfield, see what they have. What don't we have? And when people we know the parks are end up being a lot of funds that go into parks, and they don't generate they're not a fund generator, but they are a quality of life generator. So when people even outside of our community come to Hyde Park in the future, we have retail and and any type of commercial or food industry. They'll be visiting within the side of the confines and perhaps doing their shopping in Hyde Park as well. So we shared with them the survey information. I think that has a lot of good detail if you dig and mine it correctly. A lot of the challenges that we have in the parks have to do with maintenance, which has to do with staffing. So I think that's some of the low hanging things that we can tackle. And I think there's we I've been speaking with Tiffany about some opportunities of how we tackle some bigger items. So it was a good meeting. It was a good meeting, and we certainly not opposed to they meet they met, like, at 04:00, I think, and we'll probably have the next one at 04:00. And I don't care if we put it as a public meeting just to so that we can have all council members that want to attend, can attend versus just having two. Not a lot of people wanna attend a public meeting at 04:00, but if we put it out there, at least we're following the state law. Yeah.

So Merrick, do we have a do we have a document that already shows our maps of our existing parks? And

In future

I think I that document? I have students that are texting me, and I was like, I'll get you all of that information, but I didn't wanna recreate something where you already have. In our general plan, it has existing parks. It doesn't have what what is available

within the existing parks. I created some stuff

back when that just shows an overlay. Here's our parks. Here's kind of our holes where we don't have parks. I let me I'll find that, send it to you, and maybe that's enough. And Yeah. A little It's just like I can put it together, but I just thought if That little slide presentation I had that listed, you know, how what the amenities are in each park, we could send that to them. K. Yeah. So sure that Make sure you got that, Tiffany. K. The things they don't have is the the things that we planned already down at Lee Park

on the west side of the concessions in that area where we're getting two more pickleball courts, and they don't they don't know of what rendezvous presenting, and we don't actually know. We I've seen renderings, but until something's agreed to, it there's nothing. But

And I encourage the kids that I talk to to reach out to council members or near with questions if they they might reach out to us. They It doesn't have the like, the

although it's platted, the linear park Right. Exactly. Near subdivision and how we want that to go along.

2nd West, I believe that is. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. So it yeah. It it if does yours have that on there? It it doesn't. I could add that to it. Because that I that didn't come up yesterday, but I thought about it like, oh, yeah. There's gonna be a park across the street of of so a park, you know, across the street pretty close to that that's gonna have some things. So think we Go ahead. We get some we make some connections with this group of kids. They're gonna be here next year as well. You know, my our nephew is one of them that's going through this, that was in that group. And they might be willing to work on some projects, you know Oh, that's with the same that's a good point. While they're in school. Yeah. If that moves forward Yep. In the next year and Yep. Yeah.

K. So the next item is for a public hearing and then consideration of resolution twenty twenty five dash 14.

Correct. Make one quick comment. Certainly. Right here on the corner, there's a bunch of ants. Would you let somebody know them now? Yeah. I would have to say them. There was a bunch of them, and they'll be in here if we don't take care of them.

Yeah. So we're gonna have a public hearing in consideration of resolution twenty twenty five dash 14 and a resolution amending the fee schedule to modify the sports field, rentals, subdivision, land use, and development fees. Donya, could you pull that up? The he put it in two, and I I sure like it to be side by side, but he put it on two pages. But if you pull up that first page of what the red line copy is

That one.

I hate having a public hearing that nobody can see, to have a public hearing on something that they don't know about. So there's there's a lot of changes, and I'm I'm as we go through it, I gonna offer something for potential consideration. But you'll notice that the the subdivision plan review fees, most all of them are changing. And you'll see in column d that says the that those are new new prices or perhaps renamed. I would one that I draws attention to me is and we're not ready to we're ready to go ahead with the proposed changes. But on line 15, culinary water in lieu of shares, some many cities in the valley are just flat out requiring developers to bring water, culinary water. They have to bring water rights. And that's that's what they're requiring because that becomes a variable. We might can get them at one rate this year and next year, and it's gonna be something different. So we'll be revisiting this or we're gonna go behind. We're gonna go under on it. I think we can certainly approve it as this now, but I really think the city ought to consider it would take a code change, and we ought to consider having developers bring their water. Perhaps there's a percentage that could be in water shares out of canal or secondary, but this is culinary. Mhmm. And until we can crack a code on converting shares to rights, I think that's something that we need to be thinking about earnestly because I know many cities in the valley already require that. So

So with the new name changes, are those changed throughout ordinance as well? Won't those affect our ordinances where they're renaming some of these? On page two,

if you look down there, that's what it is cleaned up.

But I mean, throughout our ordinances is are they going to be correct? Like, so it's correlating to the ordinance that that

are those name changes being applied? Are they implemented for would or do we have to go back and revise codes to change the name of those?

We may need to look into that, but I think

I think most of these are just relevant for the fee schedule. Schedule. That's why I was wondering if that was anywhere else. Okay. But but if you go back in the code and it says something about

you need to pay an inspection fee. Well, we don't have an inspection fee anymore. We have a subdivision inspection fee. So I do think it would be good to That's what I was to take this and go back. That's what you're asking. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And the That's what I was thinking. It can be needed. Council, if you would if you approve this, then we would put the tasking onto Marcus to report out on that exact thing for next council meeting. But now that we know Yeah. Go ahead. I was gonna say now that we know that what they are, if you look down, there's development review fees, other fees under there. And then there's the if you look down at the bottom, there's residential for all parks reserving nonresident. And some of those are just new, but they are on the second one on the clean sheet. If you take a look at that one, it'll have the new proposals in there for parks, baseball fields, soccer fields, things like that. So those are the proposals. And, Dania, if you would scroll down to the I think you already did. Yeah. Scroll to the bottom. To the bottom. Okay. Because when it's open to public input, that might be where we get public input. So let's go ahead and open it up.

And I do have a Question. Amanda asked me to read something from her too Yes. As part of the public input.

Let's let's open up the public hearing Okay. And let's have it done so at this time. Okay. And who is this from, Diane? Amanda Ralphs. Okay.

Thank you for taking the time to review my letter during the public hearing. Although I was unable to tend attend due to scheduling conflict, I appreciate the opportunity to share my concerns and suggestions as a resident of Hyde Park. I am grateful for the work the city council and city staff have put into the recent changes for filled reservations, helping me as a resident understand the changes and your willingness to be open to input from the community. I would like to request the option of hourly rental fee for field use in Hyde Park in addition to day rates for weekend and week weekday and weekend use. In the in resolution twenty twenty five fourteen, specifically the field schedule for field rental, the weekend rental rate is 100 per day, which averages ten to twelve hours of usable field time throughout the year, or about eight to ten dollars per hour. Since weekends are in higher demand, this rate makes sense. However, the weekend fee averages out to a higher hourly rate. For example, at Lee Park Fields next to Cedar Ridge, fulfilled access on weekdays, August through May, isn't available until around 4PM due to school hours. In September, that allows for only three point five to four point five hours of usable fill time, which becomes even shorter in early spring or later fall. At the weekday rate of $50, this comes out to 11 to $15 per hour depending on sunset. Many soccer leagues and families only need fields for single game or practice on weeknights. While Saturdays often host multiple league games or family gatherings, weekday evenings are typically used for one or two games or a few practices. Allowing hourly lent rentals would give residents and community members the flexibility to reserve fields only for the time they need. As a team manager for my daughter's soccer team in the last two years, I've experienced this firsthand. Our team, along with other soccer and lacrosse teams, use Lee Park, Cedar Ridge for practices. Sometimes a full field, other times we're shared fields. If I reserve the entire field for a night, but our practice or game lasts only one to one and a half hours, I've effectively paid 35 to $50 per hour while holding exclusive rights to the field for the rest of the day. This prevents other teams from being able to use it. With an hour hourly rental option, multiple teams could share the field throughout the evening, each paying only for the time they need. By attending city council and planning commission meetings this past year, I've learned that one of the most effective ways to create new codes and policies is through flattery, borrowing from neighboring cities that have already found successful approaches. Today, I personally called several Cache Valley cities to ask about their soccer field rental fees. Each of them offers hourly rates. North Logan offers a $10 per hour per field. Smithfield, $25 per hour or $1.25 per day. Logan, $10 per hour, $40 per four hour block or $60 per day. Hiram, $20 per hour for practices, 40 per hour for games, or 100 per field, I'm assuming per day. I didn't call Nibley or Millville, but I found on their website they offer 100 per season per team for practice reservations if the team calls the Millville field their home field. If the purpose of the recent changes is to allow more residents and community members access to the access to the fields, I would recommend an hourly rates to the week weekday and weekend rates. This would ensure the fields could be reserved for just the time needed, whether one or two hours, while keeping them available for others to use. Residents, community men community members, and leagues could choose to reserve shorter time slots or reserve the entire day if needed, ensuring flexibility for all and ensuring they have the fields for when we want and need them. I believe offering offering an hour rental option would benefit both the city and the community. It would make field use more affordable and accessible for families, leagues, and residents while also allowing multiple groups to share facilities more efficiently. Thank you for your time and consideration. We should have timed you. You should have. I would have.

Who could have You're ready to put that It's good. Amanda's been great coming here and being involved and appreciate that. Do we have any other comment? Mister Guymon?

So my name is Kristen. I am NUU is a local nonprofit. We provide soccer opportunities for 1,400 children in the Valley to play soccer. But as the president of Northern Utah United, I am most proud of the future citizens that we are creating. As a club, we raise over $25,000 to provide Christmas to those who are in need with a 100% of the proceeds anonymously going to families in the valley. For the past two years, NU has had my senior seniors receive the Susan Matson Scholarship Award for the service they provide to the community. NUU relies on and wants to be a great partner of Hyde Park City. As shown by the grant money that NUU secured for a portion of the Cedar Ridge Fence, also shown by the $10 per gain paid to the city without being asked to pay anything, which has happened for years. When the state association schedules games, they are scheduling teens all the way from Manti And Price to come to the city of Hyde Park to play. The state association schedules by March 1 for games that, run through the June. When needing to reschedule games, it's not a simple team from Brigham City that we are rescheduling. A recent comment that was made about a problem with sprinklers and working overtime, The visiting team had drove from Pace in Utah, left their homes at 06:30 and 8AM to be here for a 9AM game. The sprinklers turned on at 8AM, which had never happened before. An overzealous coach reached out to the mayor, which I apologize. I personally called Brett Knight and worked through the proper chain. Ultimately, the game had to be canceled, having upset parents and costing the club over $500 to reschedule. I don't know of another time that we've asked for extra support. Regarding the proposed fees, looking at the surrounding municipalities, the proposed fees are double or triple those of all other municipalities With, echoing Whitman, Mandaset, North Logan is $10 per day. Smithfield is or $10 per hour. Smithfield is $25 per hour. Logan City is $10 per hour. Millville is a $100 per season, and Hiram does not charge us to reserve games, being that we provide the goals and we do paint the fields at both Cedar Ridge, Hiram, and Blackhawk. If you and you you if and you use required to pay the daily fee that is more costly than all other municipalities and the liability of what happens on those fields after the one and a half hour gain, then we would have to have the field go unutilized rather than a first come, first serve for any club or community member as it is right now. I ask that the city council reconsider the weekly day fee that was proposed, look at an hourly rate so that unused hours can be used by whoever. This increase in fees will be placed directly on the back of the citizens of the community who are already feeling strained at this time. Thank you. Thank you.

Since there's nobody else here for comment, we can close the public comment portion and then open it up to questions from the council. I will tell you that I know of three instances where I've personally been called because of water and bringing in I can't get somebody from Idaho to come down, our employees that live in Smithfield. While I appreciate that they paint the fields, they paint the fields for them. Our budget is $250,000 approximately for our parks. So I I don't think it would be a good thing to get into how much somebody how much someone spends on the field because I don't think anybody's gonna come close to what we do. We did have a great conversation with some people that I believe were representing NUU. When they came in, there was three of them, representatives for NUU. We had a great conversation, and I thought we had a good working discussion about hourly rates. And I we certainly can have that discussion. Tiffany, you've had some

discussion as well. Yeah. I have had multiple calls on Saturday mornings when I've been at the gym about water issues and issues with the field and concerns. So I do think scheduling is important. I thought I wasn't in on your conversation. Who's there? Oh. With the three people. Dave, were you there? Kate. Melissa was there. I think it was city staff, Mary, and yourself.

I when Amanda

she was here I was not there. No. I I that was Marcus and city staff and yourself. Okay. But the information that I, Melissa, shared with Dave and I is that they felt like $25 an hour on the weekday was fair for that weekly

rate for that weekday rate. We we shouldn't have to have them pay a a daily rate for, you know, a September soccer game when they're that's that entire day is school, and they may get one or two games in in the evening. So you would like to see an hourly rate. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Some of them were in that 10 to 20 range, and that's the biggest thing, I think, on the on our parks, is we don't want to inhibit kids from playing. We've only we've had some scheduling issues, and I explained to the people that came in that we're not the only ones on that waterline that comes down there to it. There's chemical treatments. We have to work around the school. That becomes problematic. We've only had once or twice where we've had other organizations or families want to schedule. Honestly, the if I were a soccer coach, I would just go with the first come, first serve and not pay an hourly rate for practice Oh. For for practices, but you wanna ensure that you have the games. That way, if we have a set schedule, we can figure out our watering around that. But we're not the only ones on that line, so we don't get the water

whenever we want. But we can figure out maybe we have to skip a day here. Or coordinate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So is that why we water on Saturday? Because my thought is let's just never water on Saturday, and then none of us will get phone calls. I got a phone call the the first Saturday I was sitting on the city council, and I was like, let me call somebody. I have no idea what Yeah. Is going on. So so that Because we're not the only ones. Mhmm. So do we have water turns

then? Or We we have them, but if we we can set a priority on that. So we can say, no. We have to have certain days to work around the schedule, not only of school. What what happens when we chemically treat the field? When do we chemically treat the field? And we don't want people walking

their animals through there, children playing on it, and things like that. So Is that, I guess, also with with school days that we don't water it in the mornings typically Yeah. When school's in session?

Is that part of There's there's challenges that way with the school. But, typically, in the spring, when school's in, we're not getting water until April 15 or May 1. So that's Right. We're not looking at a big time frame there. Kids are, you know, maybe a month, and we might be a month and a half. School starts mid August or August, and soccer will end October. Is that right, Chris?

Last day is the November.

November. November. That I thought their schedule was.

August. The last game is the November. The contract that we bring Logan City for the Blackhawk says that no games after October 20.

And there's there's also provisions for storm events, isn't there? Correct. So

by the March 1 or the August 1, we can flag on that. Yeah. So I I for us is this the city of Logan tells us what days that are available. We send it to the state association, and the state association has software that inputs the games. Right? So we can block out whatever days he needs to block out. Okay.

Are there games on Sundays?

There is There could be. League games,

but they do not participate in state of the issue. Because I'm just thinking sounds to me like that's the day to water.

If you can water Saturday, just wait till Sunday if there's never a game there. I think the watering schedule can be figured out. Yeah. Okay. As long as we have If we have their schedules, we if we have a Reservation's made. Yeah. We can figure out the watering. I don't think that's a problem.

Every season will cost I don't seven to ten years. I don't think that that's accurate.

I I don't think that we have any record of it is what I'm saying. Just the research that I've done, we have it we do have your current schedule, which we appreciate, but I don't think we have any past records of games. And Maury might have yeah. He might have kept track of them. I don't know. But he didn't convey that information to the city. So

big thing is we want kids to play the fields. I don't want them to go unused. Right. And and they 1,400 in the valley. Well, I'm gonna tell you probably at least a couple 100 of them are from here. Yeah. Well, I

Oh, no. No. I

teams that participate on the whole What's the name of that new team? The one with the There's a lot of them. White, green, and blue No. I see. Blaze. That's the one.

Yes. So Yeah.

No. That's and I don't think we want to do that. I don't want to see kids in the park.

We

so the the big thing is is kids are playing.

And why we want opportunities to schedule the field so that kids do have opportunities. Because I know from a sporting like a sport family, finding available fields so you can do your activity can be limiting, especially

in the valley. We've we've only had one one or two scheduling conflict. There was a family that wanted to schedule schedule, and there's that one. And then there's a Hispanic team, but they typically would go Sunday, I believe.

So we we moved seven days every single seven days. But we understood the problem.

So I think the big thing is is be able to get a structure so that we can do this. There's more and more kids. We're having more and more families here. The probably the ugliest site that I could think of is having a completely empty field in completely empty park. They should be out there in it. So figuring it out. So we need an hourly rate? Mayor, I I do have a a question

only because I happen to randomly sort of knock on Maurie's door about an hour ago, which is why I'm late here. Yeah. And he asked me the question that I didn't have the answer to, and I told him that I would ask the question. Why the change? Why are we changing the fee structure or adding fees that we haven't had, you know, for however many number of years that they've been playing on the field? So okay, so first many decades apparently. So that's my question is, why now the change essentially?

Get get some structure to it so that we can we know what's going on within the park so we can schedule ourselves and whoever's wanting to schedule the park. Typically, it's only gonna be NUU about 95% of the time. If they're scheduling it, then we could tell them what's going on so they can schedule around us. We've had some conflicts when we bring the a weeknight, the sprinklers are on. I'm bringing people in on overtime Okay. To to work that. I don't know how to shut those off. And so we're let's just resolve the problem so that it can run seamlessly through, you know, Chris's group and our city staff, and it's not impacting the kids

when you got a 100 people down there waiting to play soccer and parents work on thing. America, can I interrupt? Go go ahead. I I just think it's bigger picture than that. There's multiple groups that don't know how to reserve our fields. So we went through, let's come up a way with a way to reserve our fields. So and you you anybody who wants to use our fields has access to the opportunity to reserve in our fields. And then maintenance of the fields, the cost, we haven't been charging. There's been wear and tear in our fields, and we're not recouping any money to help cover those costs. And that goes back to our park discussion the other night at our workshop where we're getting the money to take to do these things that need to be done. That's part of the reason why this is happening. I know it hasn't happened in the past, but we can't do things like we've done forever because we're a growing community, and we don't have an excessive amount of More greater than to do what. So there's a lot of reasons why

why now this is happening. I'm gonna chime in too. It is also already in our fee schedule that is a $100 rental and a $100 deposit for those fields. But we haven't known Forced. How as a staff, we haven't known how to control that because a citizen comes in and wants to do that. So we ran it for it, and then we realized that they're already being used, but we didn't know they were being used.

So we're just trying to get something in place so that everybody, including us Right. Knows what's knows what's going on. So so, also, part of that answer is what you did some research on cities and the number of population and how much park space they should have and how we're so under that level. We're gonna have just higher demand as we continue to grow, so

get some structure. Okay? So people have the opportunity. And if there's any of you that uses our fields as majority of the time, that's great. But just we know what's happening. Everybody has an opportunity to reserve fields if they want. It's all handled at the city, so we don't have an outside person that's coordinating it and not communicating to the city.

So the on so the online reservation system is somewhat new then? It's fairly new. When did we start it? Like, a year ago? Think we have soccer's on it. This We we don't. We're getting their their ad has been working on it. Now. And so Yeah. That will be so nice. But that's been part of the issue. Somebody's Yeah. Paid, reserved it, but every other people show up because there's no way to know. Put it in the notebook.

Not paid. Or not even paid? Not paid. Yeah. It's mostly the the tournaments are always paid for. Yeah. Yeah. They have always paid for. One one thing that I would say is

this any fees that are collected for parks are they're coming in with I'm gonna call it the color of green on it. So that's going back into parks. That's that's where it goes. Yeah. It goes back into that main main maintenance and everything, it goes into that. It's not roads. It's not sewer or anything like that. It's parks money. So, hopefully, our soccer fields will be nicer in the future.

One, we have been paying for years. Once that hasn't talked about all those checks, we that wasn't required. We're not requested. We just did it as Okay. To exchange our partnership. We have the most of those checks for the last five years. Currently, it would be a first come, first serve. So we, again, have local teams that are playing on those nicely. And that would cause us to have to reschedule referees and teams if somebody wants to be coming out that can't hold up.

Yeah. I I don't see All of our builds will be able to be reserved, I think, is the consensus that we've had. That was a city staff was under that impression that we were gonna keep that open, but we've revisited that. And I think that they all will be for reservation opportunity. I would do. Even the

four on four or or even middle lions, we there's a spot there that that can be utilized. So it's

I want kids in the create more space. Right? That's a goal.

Do do we have an idea how often the fields are used by families or residents or non NUI or I guess just organized soccer clubs, whatever it might be. Do we have any?

Say that. When we do have childhood leagues, people are locally, and it is not AU. It is all of the clubs that are local that all participate. There's also a lacrosse field that we work well with that is next to us. So it's not even to say that it's any new teams. Right. Could be anybody.

Yeah.

So your your field that is to the Northwest and your build is to the Southwest on that on that build is not any new teams. That is a league that we host,

but it is teams from every club, anybody who wants to attend. Your at Legacy Park? Is that Here at At the Cedar Ridge. Those those north. Okay. Yes. Yeah. But I I will say that I have seen

sports utilizing the first come first serve. I've seen the little league football teams out there practicing. I've seen lacrosse kids out there practicing. I've seen Frisbee, football playing, things like that. And I think the more demand that we have on them, it gets that structure so that they don't have somebody driving from Pace in Arizona and coming up and finding out this feels occupied by somebody else or anything like that. So I I think that is helpful. During the week when after school, when they're wanting to do Little League soccer and practice, I I used to coach that. Having areas that are open, you don't need to have nice if you have a field that's got paint on it, but you don't have to have it. That's what cones are for. So they can practice any flat spot. But I so down there, I think what we're talking about is the weekly day rate, and that really I think a line that should be added there, weekly day rate, that's probably pertains more to summertime between May and August or mid August, I think, of a per hour or per game because a game is gonna be more than an hour. They're gonna lead up into it, and they typically it's usually, like, an hour and a half, I think, Chris, or Hours and a half.

August to the October and the April

to the May

is the biggest part of How many games do they have a night when they're on the week. On on a weeknight when school during school? Two at most.

And then it's just all in person.

So

So if there's two games on a weeknight, Smithfield charges $25 an hour. That would be the same as our charges that. Logan is $10.

I think they're anywhere from between 10 and 25

an hour. Phil was the highest of 25.

Logan City is 10. North Logan is 10. Millville is a $100 for the entire season, and then Ironwood is a and then Ironman is much worse.

So and, you know, you can have a a weekly day rate during school, and it's, you know, $15 a game or something or $10 a game.

My my personal concern would be the different fee you build for the entire.

Is is that true, Marika? Because for instance, if I reserved a pavilion and then things changed and I didn't show up and somebody comes and gets hurt on the pavilion that's not related to me I don't think it would be injury. I think it would be damage damage to the field, damage to the pavilion, damage that that's when they would be accountable for what

happened on the field. And I do think that's a fair point. I I would think if somebody is doing

if there's personal injury, they're gonna reach out and touch everybody that they can.

So

It's the equipment or Yeah. Concession stand damage. Yeah. This this got damaged. And if it wasn't inspected because we didn't know that they left and we didn't inspect it till later, they could be accountable. Only rent.

Right. But what what difference would it make if it was rented for three hours, they all leave? Does that mean someone from parks and rec has to be down there when they leave at 07:00 tonight to make sure that the fields are a okay? Or you show up the next morning and there's a problem and you don't know whether it happened before seven or after seven when they were there or not there. I I don't know what difference it makes, guys. I don't think that's been an issue. We cross that bridge when we get to that. I don't I don't think

that has that hasn't been an issue, and I doubt that Logan City goes in and inspects after you leave anyway, and they're No. Yeah.

No. No. To you for to the city where we do sign contracts.

So although we in lines 44 through well, through all of the soccer fields or baseball, perhaps there's even a a more fine tooth on that. May maybe there's a weekly rate during this during nonschool summer hours if they're wanting to reserve it. I would think if I've coached little league soccer, I I wouldn't be reserving it. I'd just be setting up cones and playing somewhere. But somebody else may be have reserved that area, so I may have to play off over by the pavilion.

And we have discussion.

That's We're working on that. We're doing that as well.

I think I think a easy solution would be a weekday hourly rate.

And I I think I would agree with you, Tiffany. That sounds to me like the sticking point right now is that we pay hourly rate and, you know, I'd I'd rather it be used as the mayor said by anybody and everybody. And if they're willing to reserve it, you know, a month out so they make sure they have a place. You know, I never had an issue when I was, you know, a dad's soccer coach for years because we had a place, and it would be very frustrating to show up and not have it. So I'm okay with with an hourly rate that's more in line with the other cities. And at least there's some income coming in to help maintain it, which is better than having them just somebody showing up, you know, using it, and there is no

income that's helped pay for maintenance. The first come, first serve option. But if you want to know that you can have your breakfast or your game that night, it would need to be reserved. And I think the hourly rate should apply to the baseball field and the soccer field. So yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We that's something we could add.

So maybe we And they would need to be build that. Yeah. They need to be brought up to be a conversation. How do you work it with these other municipalities if they have an hourly rate and your games are an hour and a half? Yeah. You usually have the warm up side.

So what has happened is I'll just once again, going back to the contract. We go through and we total all the gains they have our schedule. We total all the gains when I deliver a check like they have here. And then if there's any rescheduled due to weather or something like that. And then there was they need the check by November 1 for the fall season and by June 1 for the spring season. Right? And then for Cash Cow, we always reserve it, I believe, in January, but that, I mean, the policy matter.

I'm I'm just wondering. So they they reserved for two hours, and it's probably a two hour by the time we start to finish setting up goals. And, you know, we're herding the cats around trying to get the game started. I just wondered if it if it was a do we go by an hourly rate or per game?

It would be more beneficial if we went for them. But Well, you can't you can't need hourly for scheduling.

Yeah. Yeah. You need that. It yeah. The the challenge yeah. Yeah. I I get that. I I was just thinking, man, if you if you went $25 a game, then but then you still might be challenged by somebody saying, well, it doesn't say what time you start.

So some of your younger games are gonna be short. Some of your board games are gonna be long. Right?

Chris, what when do players, teams tend to show up in the afternoon or evening to start warming up? When's what time do you normally schedule your first game? At five? Okay. Okay. Thank you. So it's possible that on a if I'm doing the math here, mayor, it's possible on a weekday that from 04:30 till dark, so early I mean, it could could go for four hours, give or take. 04:30 to 08:30, But but rarely to certainly three hours with hour and a half days maybe in warm up. So

that would that

I'm seeing 10 is the lowest and 25 an hour the highest. Zero is the lowest. Well, zero is the lowest, I guess. You know, some people don't charge at all. Others are in the 10 out $10 an hour and for 3 to 4 hours on an evening to get in a couple games and warm ups. Smithfield has the Millers or whatever, EA. Yeah. You're you're looking at still 30 to $40 couple games in an evening, which isn't that much less than the 50 that's being proposed. So

One game. The discover kids, we're only there now.

Yeah.

Which is very possible. Very common. Yeah.

Right? And a fair point. I think that yeah. And you you could come in, and then maybe the lacrosse team comes in or the Frisbee team in those spring and fall hours, I could see that maybe getting higher usage from different groups if we split it into the hourly rate. Yeah. That makes sense.

And and then it allows for greater use from

whatever time they get there till the sun goes down. Yep. And And neither Yeah. People operate on first come first serve or nor they need the field so they reserve it. Okay. And even we do have capacity to pay for ultimate football or ultimate

football or or ultimate first name for football or, you know, we do have a task if that is ever a meeting. And that's saying it's totally us. Yeah. And that's something to explore in the future.

Like, if that is a a service that you offer and something the city needs, we can talk about that in the future. But right now, I think at heavy use is like lacrosse and soccer. Yeah.

I wonder if we do a compromise and do something like $15.

That's what I was thinking, 12 to 15.

15 an hour.

What do you guys

Yeah. I'd probably yeah.

The way it makes it affordable and you can maintain the field so that they can be better quality,

and that's a rate we can apply to every field we have. So baseball, lacrosse, soccer, any future fields, we can apply that same hourly rate across the board.

So if we charge for a soccer field, does that mean we should be paying for to paint them?

Paying what?

To paint them. Say, hey. If you wanna rent the soccer field

I think Yeah.

That was brought up Well, then that was scheduled, but it got delayed from rain. And they brought that up that if we bring that in, they they can get a gaggle of people that would help us disperse dirt. And one of them even asked about, can we plant some seed down there where it's been abused? And I'm like, long as it's not, you know, June grass. Maybe they provide the seed. Yeah. Yeah. And your guys can go smooth. We'll provide all of that. I mean I mean, just say we're saying here soccer field rental. Okay?

So, anyway, that just seems strange that we're gonna rent a field, but we don't paint it and because that's an expense. Was it

The gold range of 4,000 to 4,006

thousand dollars a gold net. Yeah. And we haven't paid for those either. No. They put their goals down, but I don't have a problem with we have parks money. You can move your goals, and we'll provide our own goals, and then they're is But then but then the fields would be a lot more to rent. Yeah. But I'm just saying then cover I don't know that I mean, I appreciate that they're your soccer goals and that everybody's using them. We also can provide our own soccer goals that everyone can use. I don't know that that's It's not like to the discount or into the pricing. I don't think that's a factor in my mind. They've been sitting there a long time.

We did offer I I know where you can get some great sturdy pipe for sappered oils for free. Just come haul it off.

One one other Exactly.

Anyway, man, man, there's just money in the waters. I guess, like,

man. Are we a higher rate than $15 an hour? Because we have to have our public works going out and painting the lines and preparing them for the weekly games and the weekend games and And they're they're already overburdened.

They're already overburdened. They can't do what we need them to be doing already, so I don't think we need to add anything. Are you guys are you guys okay to still keep painting and

and We'd we'd be painting them with a water base.

We do every Monday. Right? Mhmm. And we do we use a machine to do it. Yeah. Mostly. Yeah.

Yeah. So, anyway, I just

I'm I'm

Oh, Right? Yeah. With Blackhawk, we do remove them at the October and bring them up at the October and bring them out in April, and that's more for needs of their consideration with the water issues. Oh. With the school district, we have changed for. We do project goals and that's throughout the year so that there

Yeah. Okay. Peter?

Sir?

One of the things that that concerns me is the fairness. You know, I don't wanna pick on you right now. You're organized. You know exactly what you want, where you want it, and you can get it in the thing. And the the next person comes in and says, oh, I didn't know that or I they're all taken. I mean, how do we how do we treat this fairly?

I I think it's first come, first serve. Well, it it's Yeah. But it it's still Also My point is

if I'm well organized, I'm gonna have the edge because I know exactly what I'm doing. Mhmm. And I'm gonna come in, and I'm gonna take everything I possibly can. And I'm saying that's that's hope that's not okay. But but I I just feel like we

Up until this point, we have not taken everything. Have we had have we had problems there? At this point, we have not taken everything.

Dania, do we have people coming in and saying, oh, it's not fair?

No. I mean, we've had seriously, two people in the last year have even

asked to rent the soccer field. So, no, it's No. This isn't not a problem. They're not This isn't a problem. Right. And I think that, you know, we'll advertise. People will know when our website's up and going that you can log on and reserve.

And And with this when we when we rent those, can someone go online and look and who's see when there's Should be able to see can't right now, but They they We're getting to that We're getting yeah. It'll be the same as our city

reservations, our building reservations. That, I think. Plus. They'll be able to see it. Yep. So They they may have a learning curve, but they'll learn. Oh, yeah. They'll learn the next time.

You can say you only want games on the field on Tuesdays and Thursdays or Mondays and Thursdays, Fridays. Right? If we know what nights you don't want the games on, we can ahead of time tell the software that you don't schedule on those nights, right, if that is the concern. Or if you wanna say Mhmm. We want the second Saturday of every month available to anybody, then that's your that's your your your profit. Right? Again, I don't wanna take away opportunities for kids.

So I mean, I'm looking at that. I think if if we start having more and more people wanting to reserve parks, then that's something that we may, you know, say, gosh. We wanna keep these nights this night open for, you know, the potential of people. We've had multiple you know, 15 requests have come in in two months to reserve parks, and they're all booked up with with all of these soccer. So I think that's something we tackle when we get there. This. And I I have no problem with Legacy Park. Utilize everything you can for soccer or lacrosse or football. Let's get kids engaged.

Use the space. I want you to know that I understand phone calls too because when I first got on, I I kept getting them. And it's it's frustrating when you don't know who, what, where, like, water. And that's another thing we need to tweak. Yeah.

So maybe I better learn how to do that.

I can walk over there. Walk over and do the sprinkler. Yeah. But you wouldn't take care of? You'd be or tell.

Maybe.

Yeah.

Yeah. The mayor and the police chief and I worked out well with the parking. Right? Yeah. We've provided signs around the the ground parking lot, letting them know they should not be parking in emergency lanes.

And yet I still see cars parked underneath the no parking sign.

I know. I I I It's a reading thing, man. Actually a tournament. So I wanna just say one thing about that new fence. I really appreciate that. I just knew at some point, some of the kid was gonna get hit because It was a matter of time. It would've it only takes them five seconds for their parents to turn, and they'd run out there and chase them off. Driving by, you just can't see him. You know? Well, that is

Mhmm. Yeah. And I much like I can't remember the participation. I it it was NUU got us a grant. I I don't know if it was a forty, sixty or something, but I know that they they did that. And it's I've my kids played down there. That was a fright for me as it should be for anyone. And we're we've been fortunate that there hasn't been something.

Spell that I may suggest you would go to the next slide.

Look at a what?

This is long.

The Oh, well, we're hoping that that ravine that the berm stops some of that. But yeah.

Are are you thinking for kids, but also for soccer balls going out that way? Yeah. It's

kids chasing balls. And and if I can since since it's been brought up, is I was gonna ask the question. There's a lot of cars that park along that road when there's a lot of empty places. So can can we put no parking along 250 East here and and Legacy? Because with without cars there, you'd certainly be able to see easier a ball coming over the hill and a kid coming. With cars parked there, you don't have visibility for anything. So money on stop signs. What's that? You used all the money on stop signs. Well, you're you're you're well you're welcome, mayor, and this and the residents. Thank you for and, Dania, for spending the money on stop signs. It should be. I'll pay for the no parking signs. No. Annette, you can put that on record. I'll pay for them. I'm not gonna pay 9 just $650 for black holes, though, but I'll pay for the signs. It's it's a it's a it's a pretty good deal, dude.

But you you're right. It we need to do that. We're just Hyde Park City has a different speed there, and going by a park, it should be 25.

I mean, I I saw a car last night parked so that you come out of the traffic circle and take that turn. The car is across the white line halfway into the road and I passed that same car. Yeah. There's there's dozens of parking spots in the parking lot. So anyway Yeah. Park. Mhmm. Yeah. And and they're not gonna be in and out of cars and all the rest of that if the cars are not there to begin with. So that's a whole another point from fee schedules and how much then getting back to if it's an hourly rate and

Okay. So I'm coming back to the fee schedule. If we if we do an hourly rate of 15, like you recommended, what does that look like on a weekend?

I I don't I would say during the week.

Do you just still wanna keep it 15? Because it would do you want a half day rate and a full day rate? I mean, what does it what does the weekend look like? Do you have a half day? Do you have a full day? Do you have an entire

park? It's Oh, no.

Just a majority of the day. Would you say keep a day? Which I mean, you're are you getting into So that's six hours

and times $15 an hour is 90, which isn't too far off the $100.

So maybe it ought to be Just the the same amount, and then there's no if, ands, or buts about I wanna change it to an hour. I would just say if you have most of the day on the weekends, it's a $100.

And and do you have how many fields you got that we got down there, Chris? I've got two. Two. We got two. One legacy.

You know the old field, which is top of yours. Yeah.

But we are we work but that is a whole another ball of wax. Because we still maintain that whether it's school property or not. Well

employers.

We have an we have an agreement with them as What what if they come in for

one game or two games on a Saturday? Then it would you know, at an hourly rate, it would be fifty or sixty minutes on Saturdays.

I just yeah. For for a weekend, a higher price room. Like a half day rate or something on the weekend. I don't know what I'm wondering if they if they They're gonna get more use on the weekend. Do you have a a rate for

weekend if you're gonna take all the fields for the day and whatever the day means from 08:30 till 04:00?

So for example, it is $75 per field per week day today.

For the weekend day, which is not far off from what we are at. We're at a $100 a field for the whole day. And

That's That's what we're trying to do. And that's what our current rate is, $75?

No. We don't have. We don't even have 100 for the whole day. It's a 100 for the whole day. Which I don't think is that far off.

To to go to $75 for the whole day? I don't think I would change it. Just leave it at a 100.

And then I'd be ready for

the weekday. And that's per each field? Mhmm. That's that's soccer and baseball.

We're across all fields for NHL.

Field for reservation. Okay. And then that brings us to the deposit.

How Chris, how does the deposit work in most cities? Can it just roll over until the end of the season per day? And if there's damage?

Like, I'll be honest with you with Logan City, we've been doing this for decades again. And so with with Logan City, we just have a year to year contract that renews automatically, so we don't have to sign a new contract every year.

Yeah. She does.

I haven't seen. So

there's something

because I would be fine with even a payment up front of a deposit per field that we held for the entire season. If there was damage, we would reach out to you. You might have to replace the portion of the deposit that was charged. Like, I don't know. In my mind with property management and real estate, like, that makes sense to just hold a deposit, not have you pay a deposit every time, but hold a deposit that carries forward until there's damage that we would deduct from the deposit that you would have to replace. And that would carry forward till the end of the season, then we would refund it to you. Right. Maybe a lot more. Yeah. So that something like that makes more sense. I do wanna say, if you ever

ever give a call about somebody calling you about water, I'll give you my cell phone. I will end it right away. If somebody is driving side by side that is an any usual aligned person, I will hit it right away. Right? Don't as the president, I wanna know. Right? Because that's not the proper chain of command. Right? And nor should they feel like they should be able to call you on a Saturday morning, right,

about a spring room. Well, this is this this is a small town, and and everybody service. It's like Cheers. Everybody knows your name. Right?

And And we're okay with that, but it would be helpful to be able to be, like, have a point of fine time.

If there's ever anything like that, I would love to hear it because the piece

I I know he he spoke of Logan's contract, and and I'd prefer a contract that would be it's it's similar, but it's you know, maybe we have a a four year contract, and then you're able to with two year mods or additional four year mods because you may want to change the structure of that contract at in in in eight years. So if you can change a mod, meaning an extension, so that you can you can still have it and still not be coming in every year. You just it's kinda like what we did with oh, who did we do a contract with where we have extend a waste management? I I think waste management got a five year contract and eligible for for two additional two year mods. So

I was gonna say, I think it makes more sense on a yearly basis. For for and we can we can do it yearly.

Yep. We we understand that as real. Right? And so to be a good partner, we would prefer it to be something that could be renewed every year without any disparity.

But we can make changes. We can make changes as long as that happened in January.

Right. I think what that's a better approach is a yearly renewal.

So back to this, we have hourly rate rates for weekdays. Do you want to consider well, it probably comes out about the same, just renting all fields on a weekend for soccer all day instead of a $100 a field. Is it is it something else, or you just stay with what it is? I think we just stick with what it is.

That's this We also like to have There is up until now, we've had a kosher we'll call it kosher kosher we'll call it kosher relationship with the lower cost group, but they we've been told that we can't step on that. Right? They also have to understand that it's

Do you have the contact information? Yeah. Do you have contact form?

I I know somebody that has a son that plays on that lacrosse team. Maybe she's here in town that Yeah. We can Where is that filled at?

North the north end.

Yeah. It's the beach. Just north of the middle. The very far north end? Yeah.

Because that would be the same rule. First come, first serve or you reserve it. Yeah. So and you guys could practice on it if they haven't reserved it. And so we just need to make them aware as well.

And at Legacy Park, I think we need to look because I've seen where there's a big field outline, but then you drive by and there's four small fields set up with goals. So I don't know how many fields or if we have numbers for fields, it would have to figure out in the reservation system and maybe numbers on goals so you know which field it is you're on. So however, that works in the reservation system. Just need to label every field, and we can go we could go walk And then build up. And say this, this, this. I I've always thought that one could go

East West on the north end of legacy. I know the challenges of East West, But I I'm wondering lacrosse is more apt or football or something like that. They don't have the highest

should be filled around so that the wear and tear is more evened out. Yeah. But lower cost did not want to participate. Right? And so we did discuss shifting bills, right, to Yeah. Allow the wear and tear to even though. So but I also caution that we wanna take that into consideration also. We don't always want one bill to be in one spot.

Right? But Yeah. And and I think that's a great point. Guy, Amanda. And that could be that can be Oh. Like City led and Is this a stare down or something? That needs to be city led with input from groups like NPO or La Crosse where we maybe meet The city decides where the fields are gonna go and if they're gonna be moved,

everything go off and not not the user of it. It's yeah.

Assets still this stuff. Right? Right. Where you just label them. Say this is build one, build two, build three. Yeah. Yeah. Build one. Can be interchangeable. Yeah. I can do change the Yeah. What if they would

Right. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. I knew

I had one song that one song that was heavy into soccer and the other one into lacrosse, and I guarantee you lacrosse is gonna be harder on the field than soccer.

Yeah. Alright. I kinda feel like this is turning into an interview meeting. And and the fee schedule. Let's let's meeting. I I have

Great. I would motion that we add an hourly rate to the fee schedule. An hourly rate. Yeah. And $10 an hour. And what would you like the deposit? Soccer field deposit is 100 per day or by contract. Or what would you like Say or by contract. That's a good that's a good I would motion that, that we have an hourly rate of $15 an hour, and the deposit stays the same at a $100 per the fee schedule or by contract as negotiated with whatever group we're negotiating.

Can I ask I guess I could ask this later, but the daily rate for Saturday, do when they make the reservation in the system, do they just schedule do they just schedule every hour from eight till from sun up till sundown? I mean, you'll have to figure that out in the soft think that's yeah. With the

they'll we'll have to figure that out, but it'll be, I imagine, either by hour or by day. Okay. Right. You've got that option. That option. Yeah. Okay.

I I would so moving on from the sports, I hope you took a look at Yeah. Some of the other ones. Some of them on preliminary plat and final plat, those those fees were going down with on on those. And then an additional like, a townhome, they're they're keep adding on different things. So there's those, the change on the culinary. Although that's good, and we certainly can do that at this time, I would say that we certainly need to consider changing it to where you're not gonna buy out. That that leaves the onus on us to find water, and I don't know that we're gonna find it for that price. Merrick, can we change that in the fee schedule? And then just like these other we're going back to look at the names. Can we address the ordinance at the same time to correct it? Or do we need to correct the ordinance first and then change the schedule? That one is by code, so that would be a change differently. This one is just by the fee, and it tells them to go to the fee schedule for this. But, yes, you're absolutely right. That one is in code. Yeah. So We need to take it out first. K.

And I I agree, mayor, that we ought to increase that because I'm of a mind to say that no matter what a developer pays, the future owner is gonna end up paying that increased fee. Yeah. Right? And we may we may still not and you still don't have the water. We you gotta have the water Yeah. No matter what the cost is. You could and and and the developer, I would think, doesn't really care what the dollar sign is because that's just gonna get passed on to a per lot price. Right? Right. I mean Yeah. Yeah. So it doesn't cost them anything. It's gonna cost the future homeowner that wants to move into Hyde Park an extra dollars per lot rather than bringing water the developer bringing the water that the city really needs. You know? And that eventually probably gets passed on to the end user the same, but I think

Okay. It's better

for the city to receive water shares than to receive a dollar amount. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Mayor, what I talked to Marcus a little bit yesterday about this. Could you explain just for the record why the fee changes and how they were determined and why we're making some of these changes? I mean, I I kinda got from Marcus, but for the record or I could say what it is that he told me. I I

Go ahead.

What what I understood Marcus to tell me is is they actually, when and just in general terms, and if Marcus is here, he'd certainly do a better job. But as they actually looked and he sat down with Mikkel and they looked at the processes and it changes some of the processes around to make it more efficient. So in some cases, the fees are going down because the processes are more efficient. In other cases, it costs more than what we've been charging and the time that's involved with doing that. So they've actually sat down and looked and tried to figure out how much time each of these processes that we're charging for takes and, you know, looking at really what it costs the city to do this so that there's a there's a reason Mhmm. And a rhyme behind the fee rather than just, oh, it's kinda sounded good when we established the fee. So it really there's there's good reason behind why some are going up and some are going down. I mean, that's a There's there's that, and and oftentimes, it's

repeatability. They're building similar. So that that that overall look is the same look Yeah. Hopefully, with different facades on it on the fascia, but it's going to be the same repetitious thing over and over. And so there's economies of scale Yeah. At play as well. I felt really comfortable with the explanation that that he and Mikhail and staff have looked at that. And I would as I said, the water Except for The water is a concern one for me and line 11. On the new on the new one, which is that's that's new altogether. I'm thinking that's low because If we have as much time as what the city is spending on working through these, It's taken a lot of staff time, a lot of there's a lot of heavy lifting going on before it ever goes to DRC. How many times have you been into a workshop with with Rendezvous or been into a workshop with Visionary and coming into having staff do the thing for the parks here. So I'm I'm I'm okay with approving it now, but I think we might need

to fine tune that one, Donya. Yeah. I I did talk to Mikael today earlier about number the extraordinary review fee, the $200, and I really like that because it takes this is what it's trying to cover is people just show up in Mikael's office after she's told them what she needs for another review when they haven't provided any of the things she's requested. And so this fee is to hope to eliminate

a little bit of that so that they'll show up for a review. Serious and Yeah. Yeah. We had one developer up on the East Bench, if you recall, and I might have that he he came to the city council or planning commission expecting the city to plan his development, and I always throw out that he he's been there 22 times. Man, he's going back to the well. He he's utilizing our engineers that our residents are paying for as his consultant. We are not the consultant, and then that's that's a challenge.

So So is that what that fee is? Yeah. Something different than already exists Yeah. For this

Okay. Yeah. So if they call and schedule another review, she can say yes, but it'll cost $200

to do some Okay. I'm I'm fine with that one. The development agreement, I don't wanna make a an off the cuff oh, it should be 2,500. I I wanted some thought put into it as to how much time that the staff is utilizing to do these things. Have we brought Sunrise in on it? Well, they come in at a $160 an hour. You how many hours have they spent? So it's

Yeah. Okay. I And that could be different per development agreement, really. So maybe the Based on acreage.

And then You know, number of additional charge. Number of units or acreage or something. Yeah. Yeah. So

I'm not proposing any thought any change on that, but I think we need to have some more thought into that. We could keep it as what they're doing. But I think I think that's short chain change in the city on that. Because I Did did I misunderstand

something in our last meeting? We we were having a hard time how funding some things to have people come in. Are we allowing for that in these adjustments? Because if we gotta have somebody come in and clean on Saturday or take the trash or I'm talking about when they rent our facilities, not our field.

So

I I was the one thing that we didn't have the money for, I thought.

No. We've got money for facilities. That's a that's our facilities here, and I can give you I think you were in on that when we're talking about some of the the workshop where we talked about some of the challenges. After we get through this, I'll give you some information on that. Okay? So so with the proposed changes that we have on the hourly rate And the The weekday hourly and the deposit. Any other discussion? If not, I would look for a motion on these changes to our fee structure.

But my motion to change the hourly rate to $15 an hour at deposit? I thought we did that. We did that motion. So does that exist? So It's already been So out there. There's a motion. That would be in encapsulated

in the approval of this. To your discussion. So And everything else, I I would You're making a motion? She Okay. I motioned her. Now Tiffany's making an emotion.

I'll second Tiffany's emotion.

We got a second a second from Dave on the motion to approve the free fee structure as amended. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any any opposed with nay? Amanda, we could only get through half your letter because it's limited to three minute. I'm just messing.

We read it before we came. No surprises.

With that, to answer your question, I reached out to waste management. And there's rather than having the black beauties, they have bigger trash cans or four yards, which would hold eight of those black beauties. And they are locked on the top so that you can only allow garbage waste. So they don't somebody's not going to put their old mattress in it and a dresser or something like that. So I've I've got Amanda's on that, so she's looking into that to see if we can improve that Lisa. That

You have Melissa doing that? Who'd I say? Amanda? I was gonna say, I don't think Amanda's looking into the trash. I got Amanda and then jump off. To another side. Thank you. I understand.

Thank you, Amanda. I'm sorry.

Melissa's on that one so that, you know, maybe we have less less black beauties and more of these, and they can hold everything through the weekend. You know, if they can hold eight of those That sounds That Those things I don't like this. So So you ran away. It's a it's a small square dumpster that that they would bring. So, anyway, that waste management and and Melissa is is working that. But if she needs to reach out to Amanda, she can. Have you got anything to add, Dave?

And Dave, as I'm looking at Kirk. Kirk. Kirk. Kirk. No. I don't. Four hundred east to four fifty north, and I've I've made Marcus aware of this. And I know you're in the process, but that's gotta be weeded there when you stop at that stop sign there. Coming going west?

Yes. Down the hill. Yeah. The cruising property. And

and and sometimes you pull out and there's a car coming. Could the the weeds We have our code enforcement that we should stay stick on ours. Working on that. So

Okay. Hey, Gerald, have you got anything?

I just we got a few more potholes up on our road up there on where worst ones live. I got a text and a Yeah. I I received that same one. And So, anyway, I I think, you know, we don't feel like we're really ready to redo their own, so I think we ought to try to get those filled in for them. And even though they're not gonna last, but they will get them

down the road a little wide. Can we make sure that gets on the maintenance list? Because I I know they they try to record all of the places, but it's usually driven by complaints. Yeah. And it really is. So the the big one that's down by you that goes into your neighborhood

What's that? Interesting. Oh, I can give you the 575

East and 300 South on that, somewhere around there. It is

284 North, 575 East. Oh, so yeah. North. And I sent this on to Marcus too, but that was the address itself.

Tiffany, I was gonna ask you something.

Well, can you But That I can answer. Well, well, I don't know if you can answer. Like, what is it? We've got the the front porch. Yeah. I was gonna say, can I put a plug in for the front porch or activity that's coming up for our senior group? It's November 6 from ten to noon. We're gonna have a cooking demonstration. We're gonna have a small activity growing home growing mushrooms that you can add into your recipes and not gonna say edibles. Everybody looks at me bad that way. But it'll be really fun, and I would like to see anybody who's available come out and to spread the word. And then we also I'm gonna plug my next activity that's gonna be on National Seed Swap Day, which is the last Saturday in January. But since we're all saving seeds now, save extra so you can share with your neighbors and we can make it more accessible for people to grow food in their gardens, and we're gonna start a community garden. We got a lot coming up Jeez. From our Healthy Hyde Park community. Healthy Utah. It wasn't just for a plaque on the wall. No. We're doing some good thing. For a way of life. Yep. Thank you. So I don't know. We got some other things coming down the road. But And I'll tell the council the target audience is you. Please tell me if you're available. The target audience

is you.

Tiffany, are you gonna are there some handouts for the front porch that we can We do have a flyer, and I can bring some and leave them here at the city office if you wanna share. Oh, yeah. I could text them to you, and you could send it. I'll text it to the council, and then I'll leave some here. We have a wire hanging in the window. Okay. Great. Yeah. If there's some That would be awesome if you guys would pass the order. People I think could could really

I think so. Benefit from that. Newsletter too? It's in the newsletter. It ran last month and this month. Yeah. Okay. Newsletter, I'm learning isn't the best way. And,

you know, there's some older people I know that would need to come out here, and they're not gonna be getting to the we are gonna go knock doors and deliver them to all the senior people that we know with the youth council. Do flyers. Yeah. They're gonna help us just after they're after they're done with their scare house. And Yeah. So we'll do that. We'll get the word out that way. Right. But I also would like to get it into like, if anybody has connections at the Catholic church or in wards or anywhere l any other group that might have that target group or where people could pass the word along. So if you know of anybody, I've I have sister Mary down there. I've been into the Catholic church quite a bit. So if you have a contact Yeah. I'll Yeah. Let's go down there and let them visit with them. Down there. K. Very good.

Sister Mary? I think it's sister Mary. Yeah. She's been there for, like, twenty five years. She's an institution. Mhmm. Stephanie. Sister Stephanie.

So meet the candidates night tomorrow night. I am gonna be a little late, but Tiffany is going to cover for me with the youth council. I've got three kids coming for sure that will help, and you will

also be there to assist them. Better be. If it's like, I'm gonna lean on Don yet.

And then, yeah, we're working on our Speak Alley and That's and say yeah. And save the day for our Christmas hometown Christmas festival December 1 this year. We got Charlie Carter. Santa. Is that in the evening stuff? It is. It's at 07:00.

Yeah. There's caroling, Santa, fire truck, the Grinch. Yep. Some of those all show up. Treats. And Grinch is at bay. I'm kidding. It's a bonus. Dave.

The first.

Nothing. I know that everybody everybody's sitting. That's good. No one's gonna fall over. Okay.

Wasn't ready for that. I will be out of town for our eighth meeting on the eighth. So, Gerald, if you're here, appreciate it. Do you have a dentist appointment? A dentist appointment somewhere, probably the eighth somewhere around Nova Scotia. So I hear they got good dentists up there. They really do. I'm going with that socialized dentistry.

Yeah. Good luck with that, man. Alright. It's pretty soon you'll just have to go to California, apparently.

I'll look for a motion to to end our meeting. I'll make that motion. I'm a second from Stephanie, and the second from Tiffany. All those in favor, say aye.

Aye. Let's go.

Okay. Thanks for pointing that out. Yes. I got a doctor appointment. That's what it I think it shows up as a dentist appointment. My god.