Hyde Park City Council Meeting 12.10.2025

We wanna welcome everybody to our Hyde Park City Council meeting for December 10. Appreciate you coming and having an interest in the city. The first item is our councilman Osborne will be offering a prayer and pledge

on our thought. K. Thank you. I'll take a prayer tonight. Our dear kind heavenly father, as we gather as a council tonight and as citizens of this of this city, we ask for thy blessings to be upon the actions and discussions that take place here tonight, and we give thanks to thee for this country we have to live in. And, we honor those that have sacrificed so much to allow that to take place. We, once again, give thanks in thee for all that we have, and this we do in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Will you please stand and follow me in the pledge?

I pledge allegiance to them. I

Thank you. Thank you. The next item is to approve the minutes from November 1218. Let's start with twelve. Dave, do you have any comments? I do not. I just No.

No comments.

Having none, I'd like for a motion to approve the meeting minutes from Sure. I'll move that we accept the the minutes

as presented and written for November. Oh, and eighteenth? And the eighteenth. You you Alright. I can suggest twelfth first. Okay. I thought I heard you say both for but for the twelfth. Move that we do that. Yeah.

And Stephanie, do you have a second? Yeah. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed, nay. Motion carries three zero, recognizing that Tiffany and Kurt are not here at this time. Let's go on to November 18. Dave, you're good? I'm good. Stephanie? Good. Garett? Look for a motion to approve.

I will make the motion to approve the minutes of November 18.

We got a motion from Gail. Is there a second? I'll second it. Just second.

Any more discussion? All those in favor say aye? Aye. Any opposed with a three zero. Next item is to improve the agenda that we currently have. I have no changes. Marcus, do you have anything on there or council? No. If not, we'll

I'll move that we accept the minutes for tonight. The meeting agenda. The meeting agenda. I'm sorry.

March 9. March 9. Yeah. And I'll second that. Got motion from Stephanie and second from Dave. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. And you oppose with Dave. At this time, we will open it up for expecting the. It wouldn't it wouldn't go on. K. I could I don't know how to we'll open the city council meeting up for anybody who has anything to discuss that's not currently on the agenda. So we'll open it at this time. Having none? Oh, come on open. See what stops on the 450 North.

Seventies and 450 North. And and I've got a report that I was gonna provide here in a minute on that. Okay. You can update. Alright.

Please. I think they were thinking of leaving, mayor. I don't know if you'd feel like you'd want.

And so we have that. Any other comments on any other topic? Having none, we'll close that, Mark, and I'll turn it to Dave to address that. Okay. Be happy to.

So the Rowlands and others were here on October 22, the city council meeting, expressing concern with speed. In fact, we had some pictures of some buses exceeding the speed limit there that they provided, and a real issue with visibility concerns because of the the slope that's right there west of that intersection and people coming down there pretty quick. So based on that, we talked about it last month and a couple weeks after that in our in our city safety meeting. We asked chief Goodrich of the North Park Police Department to go take a look at it. He did. He expressed the same and agreed pretty much with the residents' concerns that there were some visibility issues there. And then I've discussed with Sunrise Engineering, and based on the requirements of the manual on uniform traffic code devices, they support establish establishing making that intersection a four way stop. And without going into all the details of why, but, you know, as you go through that manual, there's various warrants or criteria that they base that on. One is issues like visibility. You know, another thing is that according to our master plan for transportation master plan, 700 East is really the main corridor, especially now that it's been improved and goes through there. 450 North is the minor road. And in most cases, generally, the manual recommends that the major road not have the stop signs as it has right now. And so there's several reasons that that Sunrise recommends going ahead and making that an all way stop. And then I would suspect that in coming years as 700 East goes through to further development and into Smithfield that that those stop signs will likely come down. And so,

I don't Marcus, is there anything that I'm missing in that? Or Yeah. And just to add a little bit more detail, so the recommendation from Sunrise was that it would be a temporary four way stop pending the 7th East Coast through. As the council is probably aware, Smithfield City and Hyde Park City are jointly working on engineering for the corridor to connect the two cities. We don't have a timeline on applying for grants for construction money, but we are starting to engineer that road. And so when the connection to Smithfield City is made at that time, Sunrise recommends that we'd go with, you know, having the stop signs on four fifty and having 700 be the priority for traffic. Recognizing that temporary means for several years. Right? Right. It will probably be a few years until the city has some grant money, or maybe a developer will put that in. We're not sure yet. But then the problem comes back. No. Because it's because the problem right now is 450

North going east to west, which is the minor road, is where the issue is with visibility Yes. Because you can't see that. So when 700 goes through, they're always changing it and putting stop signs on 450 North, which are not there now. They're not there now. We will we will put them there, and then the stops on 700 East will come up. So this is, in my mind, is kind of a a way over the next years to transition. People have gotten used for years of kinda blowing east west through that intersection. They'll be stopping now. The visibility will be much better for everybody going through there and the residents that are backing into the the road there. And then when 700 goes through, then those signs will come down. So, you know, it won't be this big change all at once. So, I mean, I and because we're changing traffic pattern, my understanding is that that that requires an approval by the city council. So, you know, I I move I don't know, mayor. That, but I think

we put the signs up. When when it's approved, we put the signs up and put bags on them to let people know they'll recognize that there's a sign there, and we'll put it out in the city newsletter that y'all have seen the bags. Bags are coming off in January. So

so I'd like to see those signs then, in that case, mayor, get put up sometime in the next couple of weeks or next next week if we could put a bag over it for a couple of weeks and then come one January, and and we would announce that and mention that in our city newsletter, and the and the bags come off. I mean, I don't know if there's any reason to to wait any longer than that.

Council, do you have any discussion on this?

I agree.

You agree? I agree also.

So I I have three agreements and and multiple agreements here, and and we'll have all the disagreements call in mid January. Melinda Melissa, would you take would you take them, all the disagreements?

She'll be in a new job by then. I understand. So they'll be doing that. Alright.

Hey. As long as they're doing that, I'm sorry. Can they do the one on 04/25 on fourth?

That's four which ones? Four hundred east. Four hundred east. You on four fifty north. That four way south. Four fifty north. Four fifty north.

Yeah. Hopefully, that concrete is gonna be bored any day now, and that's gonna happen. Well, the fun part is usually this time of year, the ground is rock solid, and so we have a whole list of winter maintenance projects we've started on. But as we can all see, the ground is very soft still. So, yeah, we're not usually still doing sign installations this time of year. But, yeah, I can talk with public works about getting those on number one for next week.

Just warm I mean, I understand that we already have the signs, and they're sitting there, and they're getting rusty, and no one gets to stop at them right now. And, you know, it's been a year or so, and we've got this nice warmer weather. And

Thank you, Marcus. Yeah. Oh, you're right on

that. With that, we'll move on to the staff and mayor and council report. Marcus, let's start with you.

I do not have a ton to report. That's different from the last staff report. I apologize. I did not have time to prepare my usual document for you. One update that you all might have seen, I did end up applying getting our grant for our trails and parks master plan submitted today. The grant application, we applied for a $100,000 with the Citi match of 10,000, which is less than we had budgeted for. The match requirement for the grant ended up being a lot less than we thought. So we will see.

When do we find out?

Typically, they the grant closes this Friday, and they usually review it in January, and they start contacting people in February to do interviews. And then in March, they'll let you know if you got the money or not. So Okay.

Yeah. Anything else, Marcus? No. Gail, do we have anything? No. Stephanie? No. K. Of course.

I wanna thank Stephanie and the youth council, first off, for this wonderful Christmas gathering that you had downstairs last week. Was it? Yeah. Week and a half ago. So it was fun. I think that all those who came had a great time, and I talked to quite a few people there that had never been there before and came and enjoyed themselves. So keep up the good work, and we'll be looking forward to more of those in the coming decades, Stephanie. A couple other items. The safety committee has also put together over the last couple of months operating procedures to kinda guide our efforts, and it's about the the 98% completion. I will send that out to everybody in the next day or two, and so the intent would be to get that approved next month, but just start thinking about it. Well, I was hoping that Kirk and Tiffany would be here to hear this. I'll put it in an email, but our we we currently have six people serving on the committee, the mayor, Gerald, and I, and then we have three residents, But we would like to have up to three more residents. So my request is that amongst us and anybody out here that wants to serve on the city safety committee or know somebody that might want to that

Or it would be good as a a ball and told.

I think so. Yeah. And I'll send that out. And if anybody has any questions, we meet once a month, and we we do things like what we just did here. You know, when we hear concerns about, you know, street crossings or this or that, we we deal with that. We try to take action on it. So, anyway, just like to let you think about that. Marcus and I attended yesterday a Utah division of outdoor recreation meeting, and they discussed all the grants that are available for parks and trails and all this and that. And and a lot of these grants can go towards trails, and I'm really excited. And Marcus is saying, slow down. He's like, you know, walking the dog or slow down, Dave. We can't get them all. We can't do anyway, some of those grants are due in the coming month. Most of the grants require matching funds, but in lots of cases, if you get a federal grant, you can use that as a matching funds for some of the straight state grants, or if you get a county grant, you can use that for matching funds. So there's lots of ways that you can use those grants to help offset. I mean, there's there's thousands, there's millions of dollars out there just waiting for us to to use. Marcus has already submitted the grant today for this transportation and parks master plan. Thank you, Marcus, for doing that. The survey we took this summer, our parks and trails survey indicated about three quarters of the residents are interested in obtaining easements on our canal trails. There's about 10% that don't want that to happen, and and I I hear that. At the same time, I would like us to move forward and individual by individual, property owner by property owner, see if we can't figure out a way to, you know, whether it's fences or shrubs or something, help get everybody on board. And so with with that in mind, I'd like us just to to move forward and look at some of these grants that are available. We don't need this UDOT Master Trails plan to tell us that we have canals. They're not going anywhere. Lots of people want them. Lots of people use them. So I don't is anybody against giving Marcus something more on his plate to do and and the staff and start looking at applying for some of these grants that can help us get some of these easements? The the only

and it's a big one is when you apply for a grant, they want you to submit your for the trails and that they want you to submit your active transportation plan with it,

and we just applied for a grant for that. But we do have a master trails pension that we've had for years that I would think that that master trails plan, you know, shouldn't have to wait for a

In some regard, it can work, but not like the BOC. That was a state mandated level. K.

So is there any concern, like, let's say we get a grand to put a trail through here on the Middle Canals. Mhmm. They and so we get this grand that's designated for that, and then we go through and we try to obtain these right away through there and we can't get them all. And then does that

Yeah. We would just have to forfeit the grant, or how would that work? Well, I think we'd use the grant to do as much as we can. And if there's some property owners that just aren't going to allow that easement, We, at least at this point, have an 80 or a 90% solution, and we just I don't know that we have to report back, and I I'm you know, this is new business for me. Yeah. Yeah. But we have used it to do what we wanted to do. We've got as far as what we've gotten with it. And then, you know, the homeowner moves, whatever the case may be. We say, hey. We'll use I don't know. Maybe some of this grant money we can use to buy shrubs or put it in a fence, or we get a, you know, a we do donations, which I'll talk about in a minute, you know, from to get people to, you know To accommodate To donate Right. Absolutely. Preserve their privacy. Absolutely. You know, I I I understand that, and, you know, we all have that. You know? And, but I also hear 75% of the residents say, this would be great and wonderful. And I I just love Hyde Park to be, like, number one and start having upper and middle canals and and urban pathways connected and all of our parks connected and and just you know, I think that would just be one more thing that Hyde Park would say, here we are. Look at us. You know? And, I mean, it's not just that. It's it's the health of the community. Mhmm. It's getting people out now under bikes and with strollers and just, you know, walking. They propose to walk with their pro. Well, you're right. So, anyway

Well, we do. I I hear what you're saying, mayor. It'd be better if we had this active transportation plan, but I'm kinda thinking Well, the other so the map we have would potentially work as a master plan, but what they're also gonna wanna see is detailed execution plans, so to speak. So, you know, we're we you've bounced around a lot of ideas, which is great, but we probably ought to settle on one or two approaches that we're going to take and then specifically request the money for that. Because the outdoor recreation grants, they want projects that are ready to go ASAP. And so, usually, they ask for a lot of details on trail construction. When we did our Bonneville Shoreline Trail Grants, they wanted to see cross sections. They wanted to know, you know, on show on our map where things were going to go. Mhmm. I know on the on our canal trails, it's all kinda laid out for us already. But if the city's gonna potentially be offering incentives to residents, we probably should figure out what that's going to be, and include that in our description if we're gonna apply for one of these grants. Not not all funds in the park in the parks funds.

Well, they're they all have colors on them. Right. They can only be used for certain things. So well, I'm but, yeah, let's we need to move forward on on doing that, and then Marcus submitting that grants one of those steps. There's certain things that we can do Right. And we certainly can take action on those. Some things need to wait till we get the results of a plan,

but there are certain things we can. And that's what I'd like to do. Let's let's start let's move forward on what we can. And, Marcus, you've got my number. You know where I live. I'm available all day tomorrow. If you got any free time next week, I'm here. Not going anywhere over the holidays. You know? Anyway, I'm I'm happy to help with ending all that. Okay. Along the lines of the parks and our trails, there were, again, a vast number majority of residents that said they would be willing to pay more in property taxes to have improved parks and trails. There were also some who said, no. Thank you. We're paying enough. And so I have talked with the mayor, with Dania, with Melissa, Susan, others on the staff, and have proposed rather than going forward with any kind of discussion of a tax increase, but offer an opportunity for donations for anybody. So all of you out there who said you'd be willing to raise your taxes rather than raise your taxes, I just invite you to pay whatever you would have been willing to pay and increase taxes to just make a donation. And so the the plan is to have on our on our website a place where people can go and they can donate whatever and, you know, we're gonna maybe you know, if you donate a thousand dollars or more, we'll we'll have you put a in memory of grandma and grandpa plaque on the bench or the, you know, whatever it is that you want your money to go to or you just say, hey. Just go towards easement. So, anyway,

there'll be something in the newsletter this next month? We ought to run by legals, find out the legality of doing that on the billing.

So we did we we can't put it on the utility bill, but we can have, like, a spot on the website for people to go donate, and then we just put a message in the utility bill saying you can go here to donate. So it won't be a separate line item on the utility. It'll just be a, hey. If you'd like to donate, go to this website. And Dania's prepared

donation receipts so that people can get a receipt for their donations and use that for their taxes. So I think we've touched the bases to have this go forward and and make it happen, and so we we'll we'll get that started this next year. Last item, I would really like to see us as a city council be a more proactive this coming year. I think we do a good job, and the staff does a great job of listening to residents and residents' concern and taking action, but I think we could do a better job of being proactive and represent the interest of the citizens as expressed in the city's general plan. There's about a 150 goals and implementation steps in there that I don't know the last time any of us referred to one of those or used one of those or talked about any of that, and, I just think, you know, we owe it to the residents to to review the plan and do our own internal audit and provide a provide a report, you know, and use that. It also is a way to establish priorities for the coming year. We're gonna start talking about budgets in a few months. So I'd like to see us in January really do a a a a dive into our general plan, talk about priorities to help set us up for for more success in the coming year or so. I don't know if if anybody would be against meeting as many times as we need to next month to to to do a review of this, and I'm available pretty much any day. So I know, Gerald, you work, and, you know, and the staff has things that they have to do, but I'd like to move forward with that if we could, mayor.

Okay.

If you're if you're free next month. Might find some days to do that. You never know. My life anyway. And and I'll be done. Thank you everyone for your patience. Thank you.

We weren't certain on this, but I'm just gonna bring it up. And then if as we get through the answer for it, it would be in our January city council meeting. But Melinda Lee has agreed. Her term would be up in the end of this month, and she has agreed to continue serving. Oh, great. And I'm not certain if you're reappointing, if you have to have a proven consent. We'll find out. And if so, we'll do that in January. And then I spoke with Gerald. Just trying to get some more council members with the experience. And Tiffany will be doing this in January as well on our first meeting. Tiffany would then be moving into the mayor pro tem position, and that is done by approving consent in January. No meeting on Christmas Eve unless you want to.

I won't be here.

You you could call in, though. We can meet with that, Marcus. I mean, you are important. You're not that important. Well, we we just won't meet.

So

Just don't expect a staff report to say that. We'll move on to

our action items, public hearing to receive citizen input on ordinance twenty twenty five dash twenty five. Consider ordinance, adopting the Utah wildland urban interface code. So I know Marcus is on it, and Brian's here to deal with questions. Marcus, and I'll turn it to you. Yeah. I can give a little introduction before the public hearing.

So this is a requirement that was handed down to us by the state. The state legislature approved a new law in the legislative session earlier this year that required all municipalities to adopt an ordinance and a map to establish a wildland urban interface boundary line. And what that means is municipalities are establishing a line and saying everything beyond this line is considered the wildlands. And if there were to be any development in the wildland area, they'd be subject to more stringent fire protection building code that is included in the ordinance. We are adopting the 2006 wildland urban interface building code rules. So that's a piece of the ordinance. The thing that we have done, the state in their law, they were gonna give a map to all the cities saying where this wildland urban interface should be. When they published their draft map, there was a lot of pushback from cities saying this is not where the wildlands are. They had very interesting ideas of what was the wildlands. Like, for example, about half of Hyde Park was considered in the wildlands. And it was pretty similar across the entire valley. And so there was big push from elected officials and city staff back to the state saying, no. This isn't realistic. And so the state is still working on their map. In the meantime, the requirement still stands that the city has to adopt a code by January 2026. So since we don't have any guidance from the state, we have decided to establish, essentially, the Bonneville Shoreline Trail Corridor as where our wildland urban interface will be. That is a firebreak. The city has been working on that for a long, long time. Smithfield Fire has been reporting that to the state as our contribution towards wildfire mitigation plan, and so we felt like it was a natural place to set the line for the wildland urban interface. Now this comes with a qualifier that when the state publishes their map, we're gonna be required to adopt whatever they publish. But in the meantime, to meet the requirement of having a January 1 ordinance adopted, you have what is before you tonight.

I know some of the mayors in the valley have been right on top of this. It's pretty absurd where they originally came up with the lines. Birch Creek Golf Course was, you know, in the Wildland Empire area. Pretty obviously created by somebody that's never been in our valley. So we'll continue to watch and offer our input to our elected officials out of state. So in the meantime, we have to have this. So let's open up the public hearing for this at this time. Please come forward and speak tell us who you are and and keep it within three minutes, especially you young lady.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. So first of all, thank you for using the BST, and I hope and pray you can keep the state at that boundary. I feel like there are people at the state level that want to turn Utah into California. H b 48 and this code are part of that, And I feel local municipalities have a duty to fight the state, the state map to make sure our existing houses are not in it to start with, stay out of it in the future, and delay it as long as possible, which sounds like is we're at that deadline. This whole concept sounds like it has noble intentions on the surface, a greater good type thing that I'm telling you from experience. This is all about money and control of private property. First of all, there are mandatory fees if you are in the zone. Being in the fee zone will reduce your property value. Second, if you don't pay your fees, you will have a lien on your house. They can turn around and sell your property if you don't pay those fees. And they start the fees low. To avoid public backlash. They never stay low. They increase them over the years. Second, you have if you're in the zone, you have intrusion on your private property to assess your compliance. You have to let the government come assess you. Oh, if you don't want them to, you can pay a higher fee to keep them off your property. Again, it's all about money, or you can get a private assessor to come and make that assessment for you. Insurance issues. This is probably the biggest one speaking from experience. And I skimmed over HP 48. It has all of the framework in place to do what California did. First of all, if you're in the zone, you get insurance increase, then it doubles, triples, quadruples, ends up six times what you were five years ago. Then they start saying you're gonna pay six times your premium and we'll only insure 80% of the value of your property. 70, 60, 50. Within six, seven years, you can't get insurance, and you're going to the state and other places. So insurance issues, building costs, and retrofitting. Existing homeowners have to comply. So anyone that falls in that zone is gonna have to switch their landscaping if they don't keep it that zone. You have to clear vegetation, create fuel breaks, and they call it defensible space. I've lived where they enforce defensible space. They regularly come around to your property, send you a letter. This tree is too big. This tree is too old. Take it out. This is made of wood. You need to switch it to this fireproof stuff. You don't do it. You start assessing getting fines. And after so much time, your fines are still there, but they can do it themselves with government, and they charge you the government fees for it. You still owe the fines. Increased construction cost, new additions, new builds, including remodels over specific value are gonna fall under this. It intrudes on private property rights, your landscaping, it mandates certain vegetation, and and also to be a certain distance from your house. I don't wanna run out of time. The regulatory and administrative burdens on local and smaller municipalities is huge. First, we're gonna have to go through our zoning and find all the conflicts. There's gonna be a lot of conflicts with existing ordinances and the, wildlife code. Mapping's an issue, enforcement challenges. It it takes a lot of significant local resources, for inspections, mapping, and ensuring compliance. Again, it's all about the money. So thank you for making that the BST, and I hope and pray that you have the strength and power to fight the state and keep that our existing line. Thank you. Thank you.

That was Charlene Williams. So Yeah. For the minutes. She had enough to say she didn't have time to say her name. Thanks, Charlene. And, Ty, your house would be in the fire zone.

Well, it it would have with the old line what they proposed. Any Now it's up along the Bonneville Shoreline Trail, but the original map that got published, anything above Northeast was in the danger zone.

Yeah. Exactly. Right.

And Yeah. Yeah. It's just when we really want our residents, if we're in fear, we will put something in the newsletter with everybody's contacts down at the state legislature that they want to take over land use for the state. And we think we could do it better from here than they can from Salt Lake. So that's really what it is. They take over. Any other comments? Having none, we'll close the public input and turn it to the council.

I have a couple of questions. It refers to a code official throughout this. There's a lot of requirements for a code official they've gotta do and a lot of power. Who is the code official? Who would be is it you? Is it the mayor? Is it Brian?

Is it the fire I mean Most of the references are about the building code official. So in our case, it'd be mister Darren Hancey, our building official for the city. Because a lot of this goes back to, as mentioned in the public comment, regulations about people's homes. There's more strict requirements on what type of materials they have to use. I do believe some of those references could also be the fire departments, whatever the local fire department is. They also have an inspection officer who goes out to the home to do those annual inspections. Now at least that's the idea.

Because there are a lot of different things, and Charlene mentioned some with, you know, landscape. I think it's gotta be 30 feet away from your structure, and so it has nothing to do with building and then, you know, so forth and so on. So I was just

Right. The the other fun part about this is the states kinda got the cart before the horse because they have this whole program that they've outlined that all the cities have to adopt, but, really, they don't have any money to do it. They're kind of counting on the fees they generate from this to pay for a lot of it. So, yeah, all the cities have multiple complaints about how this has been handled, not just where the line has been drawn. But, unfortunately, where it is a state requirement, we kinda just have to adopt the code where it is. Our city attorney gave us this version. He helped several cities create Okay. State code compliant ordinances, and so this came directly from our city attorney. Okay. I see things in there, like, no open burning.

There are exceptions if there's established, you know, fire pit kind of stuff. So I'm thinking that we need to be thinking about this come springtime maybe, and, you know, we've got some picnic tables up there and some areas that maybe we need to establish. You know? But you still need to, I think, have a permit even even for that. Mhmm. And then, yeah, the the building requirements, there's a lot of new building requirements. It's it's as if there's this new zone It's like building zone. It can open land. Right. In the city. And and so, you know, there's there's property owners that, you know, have parcels up there in the canyon, and I guess I'm wondering is is do we inform them? How do they how are they informed that, oh, you know, the house that you thought the cabin you thought you were gonna build up there sometime on this side of the hill, you're now gonna have to do x, y, and z. Is there how does that work? Yeah. I mean, the by state code, there's no

I don't believe there's any noticing requirements. We don't have to let people know if the city wants to. I guess we could do some kind of messaging campaign to let people know. The positive note, if we're if this is where the line is going to be, this is well beyond the service area of all of our utilities anyway. So even if somebody wanted to go build a cabin up there, it would be very, very difficult for them to do it.

But there might be somebody who just wants a you know, their their dry cabin, you know, of sorts and use a generator and solar and, you know, haul their water in, but they would still have to follow all of the requirements of this code. And does this get does this end up in our general municipal code? Is a

If Yeah. If it encroaches on the city limits, it does. Right. So it'll Yeah. This ordinance will end up in the city code. It is numbered to go into our city code. That's what I was wondering. Okay. Thank you. That's all I have.

Anything else, council?

What we need to do is just make sure the citizens follow the rules on fireworks.

That's the biggest That would be helpful. Yeah. Would

be good. I guess the one thing I'd say is I moved here when in 1968, and fire hasn't really been a big problem.

Well, I and maybe Brian can speak to this if I misspeak, but I was having a conversation with the Smithfield fire chief, and he said the fun part about the hillsides in Cache Valleys, it's a lot of grasses. And so the few times we have had a wildfire, it burns through really quick, and then it kinda just you know, if we can go establish a fire line, it can get under control pretty fast because there's not a lot of great fuel sources for the fire to live on up there. And so overall in Cache Valley, yeah, this isn't as big of a concern for us. Knock on wood. Right? But, yes, because of the state requirement, we are presenting the for the council to vote on tonight.

I I would say it would be a concern for homeowners for insurance. And as Charlene said, follow the money. And the state will assess a fee for every house that's in there, expect us to collect it, us to take the beating, and send them the money. And we get the beating for what they do. So we need to stay on top of this and make sure that not only our voice, but residents' voice and Cache Valley's voice is heard. And I know that there's quite a few mayors that are doing that.

Do we know when this is gonna come up in the legislature?

So, yeah, the the initial law has already been passed. I know there's pressure from several organizations to bring the law back for some modifications in this next session, but we won't know if that's gonna happen until they actually start the session and and number all the bills the bill files, I should say. But, yeah, I mean, the the deal's already been made. It's just now a lot of the municipalities and fire departments across the state are saying, hey. There's problems with this we need to address before we actually start assessing fines and fees on people, which is one of the reasons why the state pulled their map back, their draft map, and are still working on it. Every month, they say, yeah. We're gonna give you the map by the end of the month. And then at the end of the month, they're saying, well, we're still working on it. So I think now they recognize there's problems. I would not be surprised if there was a modification to the original bill in this legislative session. But for now, the requirement stands. We have to have an ordinance adopted by January 1. So So do we preemptively

alert citizens and have them start calling now, or do we wait?

Oh, anytime any resident wants to call our state representatives, I say they call them. That's that's great. At Casey Snyder They might wanna start Casey first. He's the representative for the he's just for the system. Right? This bill. He was the sponsor of this bill. So and he he lives down on the South End of the Valley. So South end of his address or his phone number or anything, but you can find it online.

Yes. He's the sponsor is

I'll give you his email. Part of it lives in Cache County. Yeah.

Yep.

We've had this frank conversation.

Yeah.

Okay. Counsel, do you have any more comments on this?

I don't.

If not, I'd look for a motion to either approve or I'd rather not continue it. Approve or not approve. 2025Dash25. That's, something we have to have for next month.

Yeah. I move that we approve and adopt ordinance 20 dash 25,

the Utah wildland urban interface code. Got a motion from Dave. Was there a second?

I'll second it. Second from Stephanie.

Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Motion carried three zero. The next item is similar to what we'll have on next in January. Several people, even council members, were involved in the interview process for, the treasurer, and it came out unanimous that, Melissa Jacobson was the person to take that position when Susan retires. So if if she's here, if you have any final questions

I think it's too late, isn't it, Mary? Yeah. It is for her. And and we know where she works. So if we have them, we know where to find her. So we've been informed approved consent.

So that's just a thumbs up? That's true. Alright. We we have approved consent in the council. Right. And that gives her access

And because of the nature of her position, she will have to be officially sworn in in January. So we will do that at the next Yeah. City council meeting.

Yeah. K.

But, yeah, with the proven consent, we'll move forward with her continuing her training for the position and preparing to take over for when Susan Bals retires in January.

K? One thing I'm gonna go back since Diane is not here yet. Donya, were you able to come up with a rough idea of the amount of grant money we've received?

I emailed.

Oh, let me just want to

Mayor, as part of that, will you there's a second part to that appoint Melissa Jacobson that the bank needs a thumbs up on too. Oh, that give her access to To give her access to the financial accounts itself. Yes. That's Oh. The bank sync.

So is the city council okay with that? Yes. And Yeah. Okay.

I guess. Well, there it is.

So Holy cow.

Mayor, do you want me to summarize the grants?

Well, in

Where I gotta open that document up completely.

But, also, since Dan is not here yet, the next item on the agenda, mister Meesam, is present. So if we wanted to move to that as well, I'm sure he could come up and present his item. Yeah. So

just for this last calendar year, where it's just over 5,800,000.0 for the city and grounds in 2025.

Sounds like we've got something to shoot for next year. Start off with that with some parks grants. I'm surprised with the four year total. That's great.

Do you wanna announce the four year total for the public record? Good good job, grant writers and mayor. And Yeah. So tell us It's Pat Pat the mayor on the back because I think a lot of this has been work that he has done. Our total amount of grant funds and this is for all sorts of different things for road projects, infrastructure projects, and master plans, sorts of stuff. Total amount of grant funds the city has received since 2021, $17,800,000 of grant funds.

Great. Wow. So that's

She asked me that question. How much do you think you have? Like, oh, email in.

People are gonna start asking why we even have property taxes in this town with all that grant money coming up. It was off. Don't get any ideas out there, please. Yeah. Alright. Let's

I gotta get back here to the agenda. Let's go ahead and move on with Tye Mason. Tye, have you got something you wanna Yeah.

Right. Actually, I could talk about trails. You know, the house mentioned a little bit, you know, about trails that we just need to follow-up with that. That might be a good test case, Marcus, to what would cost to put the gate on turnstile there. It's just with it. Because the big concern is, like, Robert Jones like me.

Three weeks ago, I had a canal A little louder. Could you speak in the in mic for those of us hard of hearing? Three three weeks ago,

a DoorDash guy tried to drive down the canal and went in the canal on my property in the house like, there at the house. So, I mean, there's liability issues. There's, you know, just not a canal. So that's you know, we need to get a gate and a turnstile there to keep it open, but that's what property owners are concerned about. So that's you know, we can talk about. So that Sounds like we have a property owner already willing to provide an easement on us on the Yeah. Just need to work on it. So but that's not why I'm here tonight. Oh, okay. It's gone. It's gone. So, Marcus, could you pull up the the the map of where we're down there? So I don't I don't know if most of you know me, but I mean, I've I've been a business owner here in in Hyde Park for many years. Camp Chef was my business. We have our our main building facilities just down it was 75 West, and it's 300 East now, like, with with all the changes. I mean, there's been a few changes with with the the current owners of Camp Chef and that we built a new office building for the Camp Chef and a warehouse facility there. But and so I've got two buildings there, the original Camp Chef building and then another warehouse. They're both about 50,000 square feet with about 10,000 square feet of office space. And I visit a little bit with the mayor and with with, David. The the original building is about 25 years old, and it was actually built as a soccer sports facility before I purchased it and converted it to a warehouse. When the buildings went empty, I mean, I sought to find a tenant and but it's a little bit slow right now in the warehousing for various reasons and economic. I've had a number of people come to me from the community and from the Valley saying that we need more space indoor space for soccer, lacrosse, baseball, volleyball, basketball, and it's just on a real premium. The high schools are maxed out. We now have five. I I think you guys see what the growth curves are there. So I've made a commitment with a a a group of other people that we would convert these two top buildings into a sports facility. The top building will have turf in it, has turf in it now to serve as soccer, football, lacrosse, softball, baseball, mixed use facility, and so on. The the the building just south of that, it does have pillars, but it worked out at a good size. We have seven basketball courts that can be converted to volleyball courts. We've had the wrestling coaches come to us from the high schools. They wanna store their pads and roll them out. There's just there's just lots of uses here, and I and and where I don't have kids involved in the athletics anymore, but I was just surprised the number of parents who have come to us that if you have kids involved, you know, the challenge that it is I mean, these volleyball parents are driving to on the other side of the hill for practice. Same thing with basketball. You know? So we we see I I see this as an opportunity to put something in the buildings, but also of of a a good community thing for Hyde Park. These two buildings would represent the largest indoor sports facility, North Of Ogden. And so it's a big commitment, but the the people I'm working with are committed to it. Anyway, we've run into a few, you know, issues with the properties. Some of them are old issues that go back as far as twenty, twenty five years with the way the subdivision was put together. And we're also trying to meet some parking regulations. I am hoping to get in front of the planning and zoning next week with an argument about that load, and I hope I can be able to do that. We've been working I've been working with Mikkel, and I spoke with Mikkel again earlier today, you know, about the parking load there. And I I think she's working on some ideas. What I would like to ask tonight is I talked to the county. The one issue that we had, mayor, that we talked about a couple of weeks ago with the annexation issue with the county, which is kind of a a messy thing both for the city and Yeah. The the church. You you're familiar with that one. Yeah. So, anyway, every on on my end, the the the little bit of property that we picked up there, all the paperwork has been filed, the fees paid. I spoke with the county today. They said that's now in Hyde Park's We got it. Thing. And we're gonna

and it's set to be We'll consider that petition next city council meeting.

Next city council. Yep. Alright. And and and and I'm assuming there won't be a problem with that, Mark. It's the wrong thing. They're and so what I because time is kind of of the essence here. I I don't wanna wait four more weeks because because this has been going on for a while because that ties up that piece of property. I can't include that as part of my parking load to service the buildings. And so so that's an ask if if if we could you know, if if Michael would work with us on that saying, yeah, that's gonna happen. It's just a matter of time. But can we start, you know, looking at our design review to do that? So that would be a big help to us

to help get to get our planning and stuff done. So I'm somewhat aware of this. I've talked to Ty a little bit. I don't know. Maybe, Marcus, if you could just so we're all on the same page here. There's some concerns about the zoning and commercial versus industrial and what our code says about how many spaces you need per square feet and so forth and so on. And and Ty's bringing in a a business unlike anything that we really have in town, and so it doesn't really meet the code. So, anyway, would you just help all of us kind of be on the same

Yeah. I can give an update, from the city staff perspective. So the the fun part about being a member of the city staff is we have to look at everything in black and white. We don't get to dabble in the gray area, or at least that's not what we're supposed to be doing. And so the problem we've had with this from the beginning is there is a code requirement based on the size of the building and the general commercial use. And all the iterations of the parking plan that we have seen just haven't quite met that code. And so there's been many iterations of the parking plan. As far as I understand in discussing it with Mikhail today at the last DRC and after some discussion with. Tie on the phone today, it sounds like that we've reached an agreement to make sure that the parking is good to go. And so we don't really see an issue. I know we're putting together a planning commission agenda tomorrow. And pending any unforeseen circumstances, the plan is to have this project on their agenda. So I don't necessarily see this being a problem for Building 1. I think we've got that resolved, the city staff. Now when you come in to do Building 2 and create a second facility, there probably will be parking problems at that point. Our parking code is interesting because at the bottom, there's a section that is it says if none of the things in our parking table match the use that you're looking for, you can work with the city and the planning commission to create a parking essentially do a parking study for your particular use for your building. And so that's something that we have discussed and talked about. When Building 2 comes in, could we could work with the planning commission as part of the application for Building 2. We could get a parking plan put together that's specific for the use. We did encourage mister Meesom to perhaps operate his Building 1 for a few months once the approvals have been granted to do some get some data and figure out how many people are actually coming to the site. And that could help inform the parking, the parking study that we'll do for Building Number 2. So there's,

on the other side of the mountain, there's there's many or several communities that have a a recreation activity type zone, and it's different than commercial. Commercial, you you know by historical data how many people are actually gonna show up and shop at one time to fill up a parking lot. I kinda look at this recreational. They're they're only gonna get enough to put on soccer fields at that time. That they're not gonna have, you know, six teams waiting in the queue. Similar to an LDS church or any church, we may have three or four awards meeting in there. By no means, if they all show up at once, we don't have sufficient parking. So timed intervals of what they do is paramount for success. So it's it's a different type of parking that we don't take into consideration in our commercial. So it it certainly could propose something different. Right. I think they've got a plan going forward now, and everything's everything. It's just I think Ty is pointing out of holes that we have and

and some things that he's Yeah. It's just a there's, you know, some challenges and some some problems. And that's what I I I appreciated Mikhail calling today. We could talk a little bit about the Carlson property because I'd like to set that aside because that's a that's a different problem that involves another property owner, Marcus. So I just don't wanna do that. I mean, with that, and that's a twenty five year old issue. So I don't know matter if you were aware of that that particular problem. I mean, we would need to connect the parking lot with the Carlsons. And and but that just creates problems for the Carlsons. I would just have to put up a barrier there every time we have people there to not park in their parking lot. Then I'm not a good neighbor. So anyway but but and and Mikhail was, you know, open to that discussion and and tabling that until we get some more information of what we're doing. So, you know, I'd appreciate. That would be great. And and I have been pulling together some parking study information. And and you're right, Mara. We we can control the flow into the building. Our software will have crossover from this team comes. They'll have twenty minutes so people aren't parking on top of one another. I mean, there has to be and and our software for scheduling the fields will be designed for that. And and that's just gonna make it better, you know, user experience. Yeah. And and Quick question for you. Do you plan on holding games in that building? Well, we did we don't have there there's no stadium seating or anything. The the biggest event that we'll have are probably some tournaments Oh, okay. That that come in. I mean, we'll say, like, the volleyball teams. I mean, they'll have occasional tournaments. And we visited a little bit again with Marcus about how we can mitigate that because I have some other properties around this that that especially on weekends that we could open up to, you know, have another 100 or so. And and And that would be in the second building. Right? Which is gonna That would be that would be close to the second building and That's it in a couple of months. With the the property owner behind us to acquire more property, but they're currently in a It's a mess. A a mess. So I can't execute on that. So you see, there's just some there's some things that are not allowing me to

I just practices are a lot different than games or tournament. Yeah. And that's exactly. And this is this is really designed

as a performance training practice facility. I mean, it it's not like a a a public facility where everybody's coming. This is gonna be very focused on high school athletes, and the middle school athletes, and college athletes coming here to train. I mean, that's kind of the the business model that we've built for them. And but but, again, to to make this financially viable, I mean, we've gotta provide a place for, say, the club teams, the volleyball club team, a girls club team, where they can come and practice two or three nights a week or whatever, and then they can participate in a tournament maybe once or twice a year. You know? So we'll have this smooth flow and maybe a couple peaks, smooth flow. And, but like I said, I think our our software, the way we're planning to do this will be a, you know, a way to make it work. And and I just think it'd be a great asset to the community. And we just, you know, we just need to work with this. And this is one of those things where we need to work with the city because it's it's a city asset. This is gonna be a good economic driver, I think, bringing people to to Hyde Park and and it will be a good thing. So I I think

And talk.

I know that between Rec Neutral. NUU, Aggies FC, there's well north of 30 teams that are fielded just from Hyde Park kids. Yeah. And they don't have any place to practice in the winter. Yeah. So it's a a it could be an asset, as Ty said, to our community for

the people here. Okay. That's what I was saying is that I'm I'm open to solutions, and and Marcus just just call me on end of this. I'm I'm like Dave. I'm available. I'll Well,

make it happen. So And I'll actually let Ty go first. So if he needs to meet with you tomorrow, I can wait till Monday.

Sure.

But but I so I don't know if I can get on the planning and zoning. I'll kinda have my parking arguments ready for this coming week. Mhmm. We can't do it in January, but but, anyway, just I see. Just time is kind of at the essence here because we're losing contracts with these teams because they have to lock up space. Right. Yeah. And that's done.

So Thank you. Okay. Anything else for me? Yeah. I appreciate it, Tyre. Yeah. Thanks, Tyre. I got a couple of questions, Marcus. So I just wanna clarify. So next week going to planning zone, is that specifically then to address a different parking standard for this type of

No. So the reason why the plan needs to be presented, the planning commission meeting is because they need to approve the site plan. And then the site plan is what gets attached to business license, building permits, etcetera, etcetera. They wanna do a couple upgrades to the building. And so we need an approved site plan to move the rest of the things they wanna do forward. And that's been the hang up is the site plan has been missing the parking requirement. But like I said, if Is When I talked to Mikel today, it sounds like it's been figured out, and we're gonna have a positive recommendation to get this plan approved from the planning commission. So is that the only part really

that needs to be settled is the parking?

That's the biggest problem that Mikael has as a planning and zoning lens. There may be other issues that need to be resolved with a building permit, but that is yet to be determined if there are any. So Let's so can

because they didn't meet last week, so Ty couldn't go last week before coming to here today. Mhmm. And since we're not meeting for another month, is there a way that we could approve

Oh, the plan the city council doesn't approve site plans anymore. Yeah. Okay. So the the planning commission would approve it, and then, like, a week from tomorrow, we we can have him Okay. Well on his way with all of his plans. Just information mostly for us. Yeah. It Ty got on the agenda a while ago Yeah. Back when this was a really hot topic. But I think in talking to Mikael today, it's been resolved. So Okay. Now when Building 2 comes around, we're gonna have a whole new set of problems, but we basically advise them, let's keep everything very separate so we can move you along Yeah. Okay. Any permits, and then we'll solve the crises

as they need to be solved. And as a city, we need to start addressing a recreation type code that would have a little more latitude than conversion.

And I suspect if Tiffany were here tonight, she'd be thumbs up. She's pretty well supports those recreational things. So Yeah. Okay. Well, Ty, I guess you get to

build that that you've seen. It's all an excuse. I mean, it's not just warehouse. It's just not manufacturing. Right. If you go to Northwell, there's there's a warehouse. There's something, you know, a a big shipping stuff. There's maybe Big Sativa, but then there's a a a a, you know, a a JADIS three sixty or a I mean, it's just it's just an excuse. And so that's, you know, that's how how we do So, anyway, so I'll be prepared to do a good discussion, Marcus. Again, if you don't mind, just call me at my number. Alright. Thank you, Nick. Thank you, Ty. Bye. Bye.

Alright. We're gonna we'll bring go back to our report for our 2025 financial audit with Diane.

I think it's been so flexible. We had a couple presentations tonight, so I appreciate that. Yeah. I'm Diana Cannell, and this is Cody Glenn, and he's our audit manager. And we bring our staff out here into the audit, and Dania is so good to get everything ready for us and works so hard year round. We communicate all year round on any, things that come up that we need to. So just really appreciate working with her and all of all of this financial staff. So I'm just gonna give a couple financial highlights. Please let me know if you have any questions or if you wanna go into something more in-depth. But I'm gonna start you out on page 19. Oh, first thing, you'll probably notice our on our audit report's a little different. We're now Ritchey May is our company name. What is it? Ritchey May. Okay. And so we have, we we just joined in with a a larger group, and so we've got offices all over. And, we're we are the exact same team that you've always worked with, and so just new name, new email, same people. Alright. So I'll take you on page 19. This is, the city as a whole, all the funds together. So when we look at how did you perform this year versus last year, your total assets ended at about $52,000,000, and that was about a $5,700,000 increase over last year. Most of that came from your fixed assets, your capital improvements that you did within the city. They were a net increase of about $3,300,000. And then also you'll notice that in accounts receivable, you had a really large increase, and that was due to the grant receivable with CMPO that you were doing. So that really increased over last year. If you turn the page, you could see there are your liabilities and equity. Your liability so your assets went up 5,000,000. Your liabilities went up a 150,000. So great. That is we love it to to track that way. Just very minimal over last year, which means your equity went up $5,500,000 over the year, which is great. You could see on the next page, on page 21, the change in net position would be equivalent to, like, your net income. And for all the funds, it was about $5,500,000. Interestingly enough, the same increase almost as your assets. So that's great. If we look at your revenues and expenses on page 23, here, this is just your governmental funds, so general capital projects. Here, we can see revenues pretty consistent over last year, just an increase of, like, 274,000, but your expenses went down 369. Now expenses in these funds can really fluctuate year to year. It really depends on the cap the expenses you have for, like, capital projects in any given year. You may bring in revenue, hold it up for a little bit, and then do the ex capital improvements later. It's it it can all be a timing thing. So, nothing worrisome or anything there. If we look at your net income or revenues and expenses for your business type activities, that's water, sewer, stormwater, there, we would expect it to be consistent or trending up if you're seeing a growth in population. And here, your net income, if you look here, it actually went down, and that's so it ended at, like, 900,000 for the year, and it went down mainly because you can see that you had in other or non operating, you had some grant contributions last year that were 1,500,000.0. So that's why it went down. It's not that all of a sudden you're seeing a decrease in your revenues, not because you're you're not. You can see there that revenues held pretty close as did expenses, but in that non operating, it went down due to the grant. Couple of areas in the footnotes that I usually just point out that you may wanna look at, page 47. Here's, kind of a roll forward for your capital improvements, your capital assets. You can see how much you pulled in and the different funds. And then also if you, continue over there, you can see that you have, like, your debt on the next page. And those are just some of the big things that happen with, you know, municipalities, your assets, your debt as you're continuing to provide services and improve infrastructure. So that's finances on a really high level. Do you want to discuss anything more in-depth, or, do you have questions on anything that happened during the year? I I'll I'm just gonna take you then to the very back on page 81, and this is where we do our findings. There were two state compliance findings this year. The first is on fund balance. The state mandates that you your general fund, unreserved fund balance cannot exceed 35,000 of your current revenues in the general fund. This year, you ended at 41%, which was about $410,000 over the 35%. So recommendations to bring that in line first, you may naturally be using those funds this year. Right? If you're not, make a transfer to a capital projects fund so that you can kinda use that in a future year. There's no restrictions on your fund balance for capital projects. They know that sometimes you have to save for multiple years to do some bigger projects. So as you're doing your budgets, just make sure if you need to, you can transfer some money over in Yeah. I've I've already spoke with Dania on this one. She has a corrective action plan, and it involves you, Diane. She always does. She's always got the plan, which is great. The other bud the other finding we had was pretty minor. You were at $64,000 over budget in your storm or your sewer fund. So on there, just make sure, again, it comes back to budgeting. Make sure you're budgeting for the things that even may not have hit yet but are done within the time period. So you may not get a bill till July or August, but if the work was done in June, gotta pull it back to June. So make sure you're budgeting Set with this one. For those things. Is that that's what I the first thing I was thinking is

has to do with the cycle of the month. Yeah. We just yeah. Yeah. To do better at That's that's probably what it was is is the cycle of the month is what threw that off. We get.

Well, twin d comes and clears out our

our Yeah. Sewer,

but we don't get a build for several. I just missed that in doing an adjustment. So it was yeah. Okay. It won't happen again.

I I I'm not losing sleep over either of these, and I hope you don't either. They are state things that we have to report, but I feel very confident that they'll be resolved. So

I'm and and I appreciate I I expect when auditors come in, they in my former profession is I want them to find and make us better. Putting these findings in perspective, we had too much money in one account.

That's a good problem, I hear. And And I would be much more worried if you didn't have enough.

So, yes. And the other one was just because of work performed and the billing cycle that it happened in. So I think Donya does outstanding work.

I concur. Donya does a great job, and you're very fortunate to have her. Yes.

But you still only get one chocolate.

Oh, ouch.

I just did. You can have the whole box. Thank you, Dania.

K. Counsel, do you have any questions for Not here. I was just gonna ask Dania if there's anything that you learned, the highlights. How do you sum up that budget year and if you if there's Yeah. Do your own horn if you if you want to. I think it's crazy. The last few years, we have had so many grants,

so many grants, and I think those are always a challenge, challenge to wrap up at the end of the year, a challenge for these guys to go through, to make sure we've done it all right. I mean Right. Grants are really a challenge. They're wonderful. They get us all the roads we have, but they're definitely a challenge.

Okay. So I I will have to say with the ARPA funding especially, we had a lot of people pulling their hair out with that. But it just like Donya says, it's wonderful to get the money on an administrative side. It is a lot of work Okay. With with every grant you do because you're doing all the grant requirements and you're submitting all the reimbursements and you're you're having to track it based on on all the restrictions. It's it's a lot of work. It's fantastic to have the money and be able to do those improvements or services. But it on the administrative side, just remember,

it does take a lot of effort on the Oh, when the city runs on the fiscal year of July 1 to June 30, County, where we get a lot of grants, is on the calendar year. And if you're talking ARPA, that's a government fiscal year. So, yeah, she's she's got a lot of flags out there, and she's she's juggling. So

she does very well. She does very well. I'll try to remember that, but I could forget by morning. The extra work that

If there's nothing thank you, Diana. Just a side note. Yes. Michael says hello.

Is he in town? No. He is in New York. Would you please tell him hi for me? I would. He used to work for us, and it was we really enjoyed him. We were very sad when he left. So He said he didn't make a very good

auditor, but he makes a a better financial planner.

And, yeah, I thought he did great. I just don't think he loved it.

No. He didn't. Yeah. But he loved you. Oh, that's so sweet. Thank you.

Thanks. Alright. If you have any questions later, please reach out to us, me or Cody. I'm happy to answer anything at any time.

Thank you. Right? Thanks.

And thanks for the chocolates. You're welcome.

Sorry. We didn't get to talk this time. The next item is to consider ordinance twenty twenty five dash twenty four to amend our HPMC code. Marcus, you wanna review that, and then we'll have a Nice. Discussion on

it. Before we're ending that, we need a public hearing, or is that We already held the public hearing of the planning commission. Planning commission. So this is was one of the more controversial public hearings that we've had in a while. The ordinances in question tonight are 12 dot one fifty dot zero one zero and twelve dot one fifty dot zero two zero. Both of these ordinances deal with water dedication, or as the state likes to call it, water exactions. Some of the comments that we got at the public hearings, well, I think the bulk of the comments were from some local developers who felt like this was unfair, and this was something they didn't want to do. The change that we're proposing is currently in the code. Hyde Park City requires every development project needs to bring some sort of water rights to the table. The water rights that the city has are being gobbled up quickly by development. And so we have an option where either you can bring water rights or pay a fee in lieu, and then the city can go out and hunt down the water rights for you. As you can imagine, almost every development project we've had since I've worked for the city, they've been more than happy to hand us a check and let us go find water rights. Because that's happened, our water rights are being depleted very rapidly. We still have, enough to cover all the development that's coming, but by our, napkin math, I'll call it, we're we're not gonna meet our master plan goals, which said that we'd be set for the next twenty years. We figure if we keep going the way things are going, we'll have single digit number of years left of water rights. And so the change being proposed tonight is to remove the fee in lieu of option for developers and say that everybody adding additional connections to the city water system needs to provide some sort of water rights. Now we still have in here the option they could bring canal water and the city. You know, we can take that to the state and get that converted, which we're going to be starting one of those processes in the new year to see how it goes. But the big complaint from the developers was it's a lot of work to go track down water rights. And I said, I know. I've been trying to do it for a while now, and it's really hard. And so we want you to do it instead of having to spend our time doing it. Some of the supplemental documents in box, which you may or may not have time to look at, the state has conducted an audit regarding this exact thing. They went and visited with something like 200 communities in the state, and they surveyed about a 100 of them on this exact topic. And they found in their survey results, 45% of the communities they surveyed said they do have some form of the same thing. And of those communities, the majority of them, 65% ish, were communities just like us who are growing quite fast and need help keeping up with the water demand. And so this is very much something that is done all over the state. This isn't unique to Hyde Park, and it's something that if we wanna keep allowing the growth to happen, then the developers need to start bringing some water rights because ours are going to run out soon if we don't make this change. So this this is something we spoke about here at city council, and

we asked the planning commission to do because of the very concern that we have. The water rights we secured is not only for residential, but we need commercial and light industrial where we wanna have we wanna be able to support the businesses when they come as well. So this is something we asked for, and now you have it before you.

I was just gonna ask her. We where are we on a forty year water plan? Because I know that's what the report here talks about that and so

I don't have all the figures of our forty year plan in front of me. It is part of our water master plan. If you wanna take a look at that, part of our water master plan was updating the city's forty year plan. It talks a lot about our existing water rights and our goals for acquiring more water rights, but I don't know the details of it right off the top of my head. It was it was in the

in the water plan, but things change when we get a spurt of a thousand, you know, units. And so

Yeah. I and what I think what you're referencing is in that audit, that was a big concern from the state is every municipality should have a, what, a forty year plan, which is separate from, like, an infrastructure master plan. K. It's specifically towards, like, water rights. And we do have one go fifty years. I think we can. Right. So our infrastructure I'll call it the infrastructure portion of the master plan. We do have a fifty year outlook. The forty year plan is a specific plan that deals with water rights as a whole, and it's included in our master plan as a element that informed the analysis, but it's technically something that's separate that the state requires every city to have.

And that's what I read is it appeared that that was gonna be something that we would have to do, and that's kind of the question. If we don't have this forty year master plan for water, is that something that then

Right. So Sunrise Engineering helped the city make one years and years and years ago. And so for us, when we did our water master plan update, they already had a lot of the data, and it was pretty it was relatively easy to get that updated too. So that was updated with our 2023 water master plan. So we are current on that. I believe. Okay. Now the mayor's right. We've added a thousand units to our pipeline since then. So Right. I I I argue that all of our master plans are now outdated to a degree,

but, you know, we're doing the best we can. So my question is is if water is so hard to get here in this location, then, like you said, maybe we don't want any more development, Marcus.

Well, this is one of the ways that we're making sure that it's responsible. You know, we can't stop people from using their property rights to develop their property, but we're making sure that they're doing the due diligence to bring the city the resources to provide for the Yeah. Their development. But is there just not water to be had? That's the It's out there for money. That's the secondary problem to this that as the state legislature, we're hearing lots of rumblings that there's gonna be a lot of talk about this exact issue because of the state audit that happened. And that's unofficially, that's kind of what's happening across the state now is a lot of municipalities are starting to fight over water resources amongst each others. It used to be there was plenty of water to go around. All most of the property had water rights attached. Developers would bring it. Cities would incorporate it or cities would go out and buy a bunch. It's getting harder and harder to find, and the state is not exactly issuing a bunch of new water rights. I mean, they flat out shut down any new water rights from Salt Lake Basin. And so, yes, it's it's a secondary problem of this that eventually the state is gonna have to look at total inventory of water rights and say, you know, enough is enough. We can't issue anymore or else the Great Salt Lake is gonna disappear. But right now, they haven't done that. And so we have to respect people's property rights, but we also have to be responsible stewards of the natural resources. And so our response is the same response many cities have had, which is if you wanna exercise your property rights, we're gonna add an extra step to that process. I think it's important to

the is there water out there? Yes. We looked at some. There it's expensive real expensive now. But the big thing is is why why should we send spend city resources, time, and effort trying to solve a developer's problem? Don't make their problem our problem. The state said you have to have all these housing plans. We have them. State hasn't released any new water to cover them. So this is just throwing it back on the developer.

Just Well, it seems like they really want to send all water down to the Great Salt Lake. Yes. They do. Yeah. And it's interesting. The local developers that came to the public hearing

said that water was really hard to find, but, you know, some of these cities where they have this, they're getting hundreds of homes approved in these cities, and those developers are finding water rights. I know down in I I know somebody who's working on a project down in Iron County, in a small town down there, and they had to go find water rights and they found them. And you think water's hard to find out here. Try finding it down in the desert in Washington and Iron County, but they exist. They're out there. They're just hard to find. And and like the mayor said, we've spent enough of our staff time trying to figure out where to get them from. We wanna put the burden back on the developer to do the homework.

So is it gonna be like, we've approved some big subdivisions, and they haven't got the water. So are is are we gonna have our policy where they have to have the water up front? Yep. So that's what this does is it basically requires when somebody submits their preliminary,

plat application, if it's a subdivision or a site plan or something, they have to include a section that talks about how much water their project is going to use and how many water rights they're going to bring and what type they are. And there's even a provision that we've put in here that says that the city can require the developer to take them back to the state and get them transferred into the city's name with the division of water rights. Yeah. It's we've we were pretty thorough in this update. That that

from what I've seen, I I think it's it's an easy one, you know, to to prove this. So I I can't remember if if we talked about it or and I can't see it in there, the application of this to commercial developments.

Can you remind me? So this applies to everybody. Now the rules are are different depending on what you are. So for residential, it's based on essentially per unit count. If it's a commercial enterprise or something else, we do a different way of calculating. We do it based on equivalent residential units. So the commercial developer has to come to the city and say, you know, I've got two bathrooms in my building, two drinking fountains, and and it's gonna use this much water per day. And then our engineers and their engineers do a calculation. They figure out how much it is, and then we tell them, okay. You need to bring this much water rights. And we do that with any nonresidential use. It's I mean, even churches are gonna have to do it, hospitals.

Everybody's gonna have to do it. Everyone. Okay. And I I see you're not And I'm sure it was in here. But So the line will be drawn when we

implement the code. Anything after that Right. Being submitted. Those that have been submitted still have the option to the old way. But if they haven't submitted and in our process

Okay. I see. And and you're using that in your calculations for we'd have single digit left.

Single digit years. Years. Okay. If if we keep going the way we're going, we estimate we probably only have five to seven years left of water rights if we just kept giving them out to everybody like we have been, which means everything will come to a grinding halt way faster than anybody may. Quickly vote to stop doing that.

Let's do it. These are the motion. That's a motion.

I I move that we adopt ordinance twenty twenty five dash 24 amending Hyde Park municipal code 12 one fifty Dot010 and 12Dot 150 Dot020.

Got a motion for Dave. Is there a second? I'll second that. Got a second from Stephanie. Any more discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay. Motion carries three zero. The next one is, consider adopting Hyde Park policy for AI.

This is a fun one. Yeah. So I've been to several trainings about gen this is specifically for generative AI. So this would be something where you use a prompt to say, you know, like, create a picture or create a document or something, or you're using an AI program to generate a product. All the trainings that I've been to say that a city should have a policy in place because of all the misinformation that can happen with AI or, you know, if it's not checked by a person, it's usually full of errors or it could include copyright protected material. And so I put this together with some help from the city attorney trying to establish some boundaries for how the city uses AI. I'll be honest. Most of our employees are using AI in some form or another, but this just puts a boundary line around it. Some of the highlights are, we're gonna be doing an annual training for anybody who can use AI in their profession position. We're going to have explicit approvals for people to do AI. One one of the options is we're gonna have a list of approved programs. The other one is, you know, people want to use AI, just wanna have something in writing saying that we're okay with this person using AI, and they've attended the training. We're gonna have checkpoints to make sure we're not including copyright protected materials or sensitive you know, we're not putting people's personal information into the system to generate something or sensitive information. And then the other thing is we're gonna make sure that anytime anybody's using AI, we have a human being checking and double checking any outputs that come out before we use it in something like announcement to the public or as part of a, you know, draft policy or something?

Well, as as I was reading three section three, I didn't like it until it got down to creating a list of generative AI. Mhmm. And absolutely do it as long as we have that list. Right. The the

the this policy that I borrowed from another municipality It was originally just section a, and I felt like we are small enough as a city that, you know, we're work enough with each other that if we could just generate a list of approved programs. Some of them were reputable reputable ones that we work with now. I mean, we're already okay that our employees are using those programs, and so that was a way to potentially not have as much as administrative headache for me Yeah. Trying to keep track of everyone who's using the AI. So glad you noticed that.

And so this was not created using generative. Well,

I'll be honest. Just I I borrowed this from another municipality. They may have used AI to make it, but this this was

yeah. My edits to this was strictly for me and the city attorney Yeah. Without using AI. Okay. It it look good to me. The one question I was wondering about is three a obtaining approval. Is that kind of a one time thing, or is that every time they're gonna you know, they must submit a request and receive approval prior to using an AI tool for work related uses? For a particular

type of work. So we we

I'm looking at that like a one time thing. Okay. Like, Dania, I know we've worked on several different programs to try to use AI for meeting minutes. Mhmm. And so the way I picture it is if she gets a new program that she wants to try out, come to me. Let's look at the program. We figure out, oh, yeah. We want to try and use it, and then we'll have some sort of form or something where I write down, yeah, you got permission to use this program. Makes sense. Okay. And there's and I would think just because you've been approved for

a specific AI on building inspection doesn't mean that that same AI can be used over in Dania's world. We need to find the applicability and what kind of information you're looking to input Mhmm. Just because it's it may not every AI doesn't fit every aspect.

Right. And, you know, right now, most of the Citi employees are really only using one program, which maybe will remain nameless, but I think we all know the program I'm talking about. And so I'm not terribly worried about this. The bigger concern for me in adopting this policy is setting the rules for, like, copyright materials, having checkpoints with real people looking at the material, just making sure that we're still you know, we're not just telling AI, make me, you know, something, and then we're throwing it out to the public. We had a funny example that we had hanging up in our office for a little while when we were trying to make some posters to advertise our park survey. We used an AI program, and some of the things it was spitting back out on us were pretty ridiculous. So we kept a few of those to remind us all to double check your AI work before you just post it.

Okay.

Anyway Does this need a motion? Yeah. We need Yeah. So we're looking for a motion. A lot of our our city policies can just be approved internally, but this is one that I felt like I needed to present to the city council because it's it's gonna apply to everybody in in the city. So for our our city staff.

Can I make a motion that we adopt the generative I AI policy for Hyde Park?

Got a motion from Stephanie. So So second? I'll second the plan. Second from Daryl. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with aye. Motion carries three zero. Next item is to discuss a policy for adding items to the city council agenda. This came up because a resident wanted to get on the agenda, and he'd been told by some of the office that he could be on the agenda. And that's not the way it works. And and they're coming to you explaining the problem that y'all can't solve Mhmm. When it needs to be solved at a lower level. So

Well, another example is our one of the presenters we had earlier tonight, mister. What he was requesting is more of something that needs to be resolved with the city staff and the planning commission. It wasn't really a city council problem to fix. And so this form would also help us kinda figure out if an issue is something that city council can address or if it's more appropriate to address somewhere else. And that so, yeah, dual purpose. Number one, making sure that everybody's following the proper procedure. Well, I should say the the public are is following the proper procedure to get on the agenda. And then number two, making sure that the things that show up for the city council are things that you can actually do something about, and we don't just sit here going,

thank you, but we can't solve that for you today. Council can always request something on there. This is typically for someone wanting to get on city council agenda. Mhmm.

And this doesn't change anything about citizen input? No. Citizens can still come for citizen input. Yeah.

So you've got you created a form like this.

Yeah. It's not great. It's a draft. That's why it's called

draft. So

he's just going to discuss it now, bring it back in January. Right. So I'm looking for input from the city council. I I've talked about this generally with the city attorney, and he's on board with it. I haven't reviewed this exact form with him yet. So I'm just looking for some input from the city council. The there's a con a concern has been brought up with this first bullet point about who should be the one signing this form. Mhmm. So by state code, as far as we can tell, there's nothing explicitly saying that, like, the mayor has to approve the agenda. That's just the way that we've always done it in Hyde Park. We have meetings, policies, and procedures, but that manual also does not explicitly say the mayor approves the agenda. That's just the way that we've always done it. And so I don't know if we need to talk about this first bullet point and say who is gonna be the one to He doesn't need to do that. Who does?

It can't. Yeah. I mean, at some point, I mean, I trust you two to do the right thing, but somebody at some point in time has gotta say, yeah. This is it. Cut off and, you know, all the legal requirements and notifications

and Right now, yeah, the mayor is doing that. Yeah. So But I'm okay with that. Cities all sorts of cities have all different ways of doing it. Now what the state code does say is that the city should have some sort of policy saying who approves the agenda. And so right now, it's for us, it's the mayor. Now I've got in this draft form that this request needs to be approved by the mayor and one council member or two city council members, but then the request can still be denied and not even end up on the agenda if it's determined that it's not appropriate for it to be there. So just because somebody gets this form all signed, like, let's say Dave and Stephanie meet with a neighbor and get this form all signed, the mayor still might see it and say, you know what? I don't feel like it's appropriate for the city council to address, and then it doesn't make it on the agenda anyway.

See, that doesn't make sense to me because then why do you get our signatures if the mayor's just gonna say, well, Stephanie and Dave don't know what they're doing. Sounds like he's now the approver

of it. Right. Well, that's part of the discussion we're having tonight. So how how do you wanna handle that? And one one thing I would like I think we gotta add to that is notification back to the person that wanted the meeting if Mhmm. If they're on it or not on it so that they know. We can do that. I guess that's a yeah. That's let me go back and rephrase my question. So if somebody goes through the trouble of filling out this form, does that mean they're automatically in consideration for the agenda? Is that what you would want?

No. I think somebody still has to have the conversation whether that really meets the criterion to be on the agenda. I'm wondering about time requirements for publication of our agenda, how much time it would take for the two of us to get together if the mayor's seeing the dentist somewhere. You know? That Yeah. I'm just I'm the the the timing, the coordination. Hey, Gerald. What you do? Hey. Let's stop by the office and have a conversation. You know, I just Right. Well, they have to have it seven days before.

Yeah. Right. And then the last bullet point is if it's turning after the deadline, you can't even be considered until the next agenda's being prepared. Right. But

but is it do we have to publish the agenda? Remind me how many days? So if it's a public

hearing, then we have to do at least ten days in advance. And it and this typically isn't probably public hearing kinds of No. This is meant for Yeah. Somebody who's like, my neighbor's chickens will not stop making noise all day long, and I really need to come to the city council about it. And take more than three minutes. And most of the time, we would just encourage them to come to citizen input. Right. But some some people want extra time with the council. And so let's let's say that the city council wants to hear them out about their chickens. So they would fill out this form, get it signed, and then the mayor would say, oh, yeah. This is really important for us because right now we're discussing the animal ordinance. So let's hear them out, and then we would put them on the next agenda. But it's not we don't see this as being items that people are gonna show up and say, I demand a public hearing for Right. For my concern. And I think that's good because that I think it's good that we allow that to happen.

That way, we don't get into the give and take and try to solve someone's problem or have a discussion when someone comes up during that open citizen input open mic time, the citizen input time. And, you know, we fall into the old trap, but we wanna answer and and fix it on the spot where we really need to take it now for consideration and go fix it in our committees or the staff or something. So I think it's it's okay. You know? We ought to allow some way a citizen can come in and and take more than three minutes when we do that. I'm just, again, going back to the timeline here of when that has to be published because we ought to have that submission at least a couple days before it gets published so that two of us or the mayor and one of us can get together and have the conversation and make the decision with a day or two prior to publication of the agenda.

I yeah. I publish everything on the Thursday before. And so I don't know if we want that in there, but Six days. So that's so what I was thinking is about a week prior. Before. Yeah. Week prior would be

tomorrow. If we were gonna do this, I would say, hey. If it's important enough to come talk to city council, require nine days or ten days so we have a couple days to you know, you know, by Monday or Tuesday of the week prior to our Wednesday meeting. Yeah. Yeah. So it gives a couple days. Figure out whether or not it's actually put what we Right. Yes. Yeah. We need a little time to The theory is this person would come to the city office, say, I'm really upset about the chickens. And we would give them this form,

and maybe they sit down with one of the city staff, and we talk about it with them. We decide, hey. This actually is pretty important. I'll sign your form. You now have to go get some signatures from the mayor and city council, but you have to have it turned in by Wednesday because Thursday, we publish the agenda. And so in our minds, they would go do the legwork. They would go talk with multiple people. They would turn in their application. And then when Donya is making her agenda Wednesday and Thursday, she has all the applications, and then she presents that agenda to the mayor to say, you know, these were the ones we got applications for. Do you want them on yet or no? Great example. I I had an email

of somebody upset about trash billing or city bill. I got an email. I'm not sure. I think, Garell, were you on that email? Oh. I can send I don't do billing. It's like, okay.

Right. Like, that's a that's a billing dispute, and it's something that they need to come in and work with a billing clerk to figure out their bill. Up to a person that doesn't

the person that works in billing works for me, but I don't do billing. Right. All of it at the lowest level or at the right level. Don't don't bring a planning commission or a building inspection issue to the city council.

Right. That's weird. And, you know, we're we're hoping it saves the community time because, like Yeah. Ty sat here for an hour, got up and spoke his mind, and I'm sitting here going, I think your resolved already. There's yeah. Yeah. It's been resolved. There's nothing And so then, you know, now he's wasted his evening. He hasn't wasted anything. This is great. But he spent his evening here with us instead of being about whatever other business he would like to do.

Because the council didn't make any decisions, and it's still resolved.

Right? Right. So are there any specific recommendations or comments on the the acknowledgments? We'll go with the acknowledgments. Like Yes.

K. For me, it wasn't clear in the first bullet that they would be required to get the signature. I had this feeling that they came in, submitted it to you, and then you contact us and say, hey. We've got somebody submitted. Would you come by the office and take a look and and have this conversation? So I would just want that clarified to say by signing, the applicant acknowledges their requirement Got it. Or something like that. Their requirement to obtain approval by the mayor and a you you if you see what I'm going with. So one thing too I would like is

if they're required to come to us to get a signature,

we're probably here for the very first time. We don't have the other side of the story. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's hard for us to say, oh, well, of course. Yeah. We'll sign it. Well, that's the idea about having a city representative sign it. Because when they show up at your door with this piece of paper and they say, yeah. I I you need to sign this for me. You can look at it and say, oh, they came and talked to Dania about that. I'm gonna call Dania and see what's going on with this. I mean, if you wanna just sign it, you could. But happening pretty often. We don't we don't get very many requests for people to be on the agenda. Like Dania said, typically, when somebody comes in and says, I'm really upset about something, we'll say, we'll come to citizen input and let us know about it. Right. Every now and then, there's somebody who is usually upset with me or, you know, whatever, and they wanna come talk to the city council and vent about it. And those people will request to be on the agenda because three minutes is not enough. And those are the case we get maybe one or two of those a month. And Okay. That's the case where we would say, great. We're very excited for you to share your feelings. Before you do that, fill this form out. And then feel like this form would be

a detriment to them following through with that, and maybe in the meantime, they would settle down and maybe be willing to just chat?

You know, the purpose of this form is to make sure the issues that are being put on the agenda are relevant to the city council. I would say of the requests we get for people to be on the agenda, 80% of them can be resolved with the city staff in the office. We sit down with them and invite them in, pull up a map, or, you know, open the bill Yeah. Spend twenty minutes, problem gets solved. But for the odd chance that it doesn't, we feel like this is the way to really filter those out. Yeah.

I I don't really feel like the form would need to be approved by the mayor and a city council person,

or do you feel like that's The idea was we if we had two signatories, then

it was just the more eyes on it, the better. Yeah. I I kinda like that. I mean, it it requires some due diligence, not just coming in and complaining and being unwilling to sit down with someone on the staff and to resolve their problem, but they're gonna come in here and, you know, keep thing company for an hour before they get to, you know, come up and speak. And by requiring two people, they're gonna have to come and introduce themselves to one of us and and describe the issue. And they knock on my door, and I've never met him, and it's the first time I've heard him Unless I'm you know, it's my you know, if it's something new to me, I'm gonna say, okay. Thanks for coming. But before I do anything, I'm gonna talk to the staff. I need to get some information on it. I wanna learn about it and Yeah. You know, I'll call you in the morning or tomorrow or give me twenty four hours or whatever it is. But I think it it now takes some responsibility on their part to really say, yeah. This is this is important enough that I'm gonna go knock on in the mayor's door or his office or one of our I I just I'd like that sec now that I understand better the purpose and why and that their their responsibility.

Maybe the more times they share too, the more they calm down. Yeah. Yeah. Just the heat out of it. Second set of eyes that gets to ask the questions,

and maybe it'll be the same questions that staff asked them, and they're just gonna start hearing the story and some possible solutions, and it gets fixed. So Yeah. I think a couple of the tweaks and make it one page, you know, and just formatting and Mhmm. Clear up a little bit of the verbiage. I I it'll be worth the effort to take a few more minutes and have it available for the few times that might be needed. I think it's okay.

Move forward with it. Yeah. K. I'll make those tweaks an overview with the city attorney, and we'll get it back on one of the agendas in January.

The last item, annual advice and consent for our planning commission chair. Mike Moses has been in there. I wanted to and he'll tentatively been in there depending what I can commitment I can get from Melinda Lee. So right now, looking for an adviser consent for Mike Mose, and maybe we'll be doing something different on our first council meeting. Just wanna get more people with experience in that. So to rotate that. Yeah. So you're saying to replace Michael with Melinda? No. Right now, it's gonna be Mike Mose.

And if it changes, we'll come back with a new name. Okay. You're just he's doing it now. You just need to get this for the coming year approved, and then we made okay. Yeah. The the planning commission ordinance requires that every year, we're supposed to do advising consent of

the chair, whether it be a new person or the same person. Just the code says every year, we're supposed to do another advising consent to set the chair for the year. First of the year that name will come up, whether it's in January or December. That might happen. Okay.

Well, I have a consent here, but no advice.

Well, is there a motion? I move that motion on this. Go for it. Stephanie's got a motion to approve. Yep. Yeah. We don't we don't need the motion. Just a discussion item. It's it's another thumbs up.

There.

Seeing three thumbs up. Oh. Maybe maybe six. Don't you, I never asked you,

do you have any quest any input that you wanna give to the council? I have no. Any anything you wanna say? I don't. No. I when we went staff, I I glazed right past you, and I'm sorry. No. But thank you for all you do for Yes. Helping finances.

Marcus, do you have anything else? Yeah. My last item is, I've been hearing from some city council members that we may need to spend some more time reviewing our plans, or maybe we need to do some training on some things or review the codes. It's not just Dave. I've heard it from other people. And so I was thinking if we if the council's amenable to this, the county council at all of their meetings, they typically have a work session with the meeting. And I would like for us to maybe consider having a work session attached to maybe just one of our meetings per month. We plan on coming in at six, taking some time to review the general plan or talk about budget items or, you know, review tricky parts of city code that we're trying to rewrite. But just have a time where, you know, we notice it publicly, but we can just sit down at a table and pick apart whatever problem that we're being faced with.

And it can be used for is discussing the topics

of the upcoming city council. There should be an open meeting. Right. Well, the work session will also be an open meeting. But, yeah, you you can't you can't vote on anything. A work session is strictly to brainstorm, discuss ideas, and plan for the future. Yeah. But, yeah, the mayor's right. We we can't if there's something on the agenda, we shouldn't necessarily be having

a work session about that thing. Would you be open to that? And it would it wouldn't be, like, oh, we need to find something to fill the meeting with. One meeting a month potentially could have an hour forty five minute or forty five minutes for a workshop because we have something present.

Right. I mean, we've got the request to review the general plan. Don, you and I are gonna start putting together preliminary budget numbers here pretty quick, and so we may wanna bring items to discuss with the city council that we're looking at putting into the budget. You know, there's there's a lot of things that are gonna happen in the next few months. Spring winter and spring are really busy time for planning and setting priorities. So I would just like to propose to the council that we plan on doing that.

I'm in favor of that. Yeah. I'm Yeah. I think I think that's great. I wish we we had more of those, in fact, and it's not just here. You know? And I'm looking down, you know, at Geryl and Kirk and, you know, that we could just sit and talk about the direction the city is taking and and those kinds of things. And So, Dave, I'm taking a bunch of time off

till the end of the year, so So I'll just be like you and wondering what to do. Okay. Well, this is a yeah. Let's do it. So, you know,

let let Marcus know that when you're available and, you know, if we're sitting around a few of us and you're gonna be around for the holidays, I don't know what if you're you have to burn No. You you have any beat user lose leave. The timing's really poor because I'm here next week, and then I'm gone until the New Year. So Okay.

Alright. Anyway, yeah. Council, does anybody have anything else?

I go ahead, Stephanie. No. Go ahead. I was gonna make a motion.

Oh, so I actually wanna look at you. So in all of my full page of notes from earlier, I forgot to mention that that Tiffany and I have been meeting with the, Cache County School District. We've had two meetings. We meet once a month. And with the incoming principal, she is currently the principal at Summit out in, in Smithfield, and we've had five or six residents, parents attend the meetings, and so we've been talking safe routes. And we'll meet again in January. We've got two or three more meetings to go. We're really gonna get down, and we've started putting pencil on paper and identified, well, you know, Main Street has sidewalk, and 2nd North has sidewalk, and they kinda go that direction. And 450 North has sidewalk coming this way and going that way. So we're identifying these these routes and potential crossing guard locations and some of those kinds of things. So more to come on that, but I just wanted to let you know that lots of good input from from parents out there, and it's it's coming along. My concern is we have yet to do anything with the middle school, the new middle school, you know, which is gonna have kids walking past Gerald's place down there. Yeah. You know, we're gonna have kids walking every which direction going this way, going west, you know, to see the ridge, and they're gonna so my thought is, you know, we we have the same locations for the crossing guard. They just have kids going both direction perhaps. So, anyway Yeah. Things are moving along there, and we'll have more to report in the future.

And is the school district going to be more cooperative?

You know, they told us that legally, they cannot pay for sidewalks, etcetera, etcetera that are on city properties. So that's part of at least that's what I'm hearing. So if if we've got something else in writing, I'd like to have that for our next meeting. But in any case

I had a I had a good lunch with the superintendent, and he wasn't as thrilled about that statement as the guy that delivered it. So

That's really good to hear. So Okay. Well, go ahead, Stephanie. Say it. I'll make the motion. There we go.

Got a motion to adjourn. Is there a second? I'll second that. Not a second. No