Hyde Park City Council Meeting 6.24.20269

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Wanna thank everybody for showing up and coming to our June 24 meeting of a Hyde Park City Council meeting. There's many people here. You would think we were talking about chickens or something. It would fill the room with that, but glad you're here. We're going to have our opening prayer of thought and pledge by council member Atkinson.

Start with the prayer. Our heavenly father, we're grateful for the opportunity we have to meet this evening as mayor and city council and staff and community to discuss the items that are before the city. Help us to have clear minds and ears that are open to hear different opinions and thoughts and to proceed in a manner that would be most beneficial to our community. We're grateful for the country we live in, the for the freedoms we enjoy, and for the rights that we have to exercise and act on our be on behalf. We pray that thy spirit will be with us through this meeting that we might be mindful of the decisions we're making. We are grateful for our many blessings, and we ask these things in the name of thy son, Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Please stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance.

Thank you, Tiffany. I will say, especially at this time of year, but we should do it all the time, be be very grateful for the freedoms and the liberties we have. It seems to me that recently, we've had the World Cup and everybody's united. And someday, we'll go back to all of us being our normal selves and gathering together to hate the Dallas Cowboys. But, right now, I like the unity that we have in the country, and it seems to be something that we should have all the time. The next item of business is to review and amend or approve the meeting minutes from June 10. Alright. Thank you, Tiffany, for taking that. I had an extended dentist appointment in The Bahamas.

That's right. Sure.

So, Curt, do you have anything?

Tiffany? I do not have anything. Stephanie? No.

Her her date. Did you make okay. Nope.

Having none, I would look for a motion to approve the meeting minutes from June 20 or June 10. I'll make the motion. Got a motion from Kurt. I'll second it. And second from Tiffany. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay. Motion carries four zero. Please make note that, council member Osborne is off on business and excused at that. You have the meeting agenda before you. Having no other amendments to it, I would look for a motion, if you have none, to approve the agenda. I move that we approve the agenda as outlined. We've got a motion from David. Is there a second? I'll second. Second from Stephanie. Any discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay. Can can you under is it You can. Can you understand me? Okay. Sorry. My speech is starting to go on me. At this time, we open it up for people to bring up any item to the council, that's not currently on the agenda. And we'd ask you to try to keep it to three minutes. I think I know the one what's going to be discussed, and they're very significant and important to in the present and the future. So, we'll open it up at this time and turn it over to the residents for comments. Larry, this would be you. Or Same. Same. Oh, come come right up. Yeah.

Well, I'm here because I wanna talk about fire fireworks restrictions. As you all know, in 2024, we had a fire up at Greystone. That's where I live, if you don't know. And someone's fired shot fireworks off around midnight up the hill and downhill towards my studio and toward Wheeler's. It was just a miracle that we got that fire out. It was really a scary thing. The fire marshal told me the next day another ten minutes, and I would've lost my studio, maybe my house. So and that was a dry year. 2025 was the driest year, driest summer on record in Cache County. There are two of the years that are drier overall year, but but it dry. And on the July 4 that year, someone shot fireworks off just right below my studio, and I happened to be out in the yard and saw him do it, and I yelled at him and said I'm calling the police, which I did. And a lot of neighbors came out and tried to catch the guy. He got away, but but the law was there, but they don't follow. Some people don't follow. So my thoughts are that this year is drier than last year. I think it's gonna be the worst driest year. So it's three years of drought. So the grass is really dry, not just above 400, but below 400 as well. And those fields are just as dry, so I think you should consider maybe banning fireworks this year completely because, you know, I mean, if something gets on fire, look, you know, there's there's thousands of acres burning in Utah right now. So, anyway, that's just my thought. I just would like it. Certainly, I would like to have the neighbors be vigilant and pay attention to who's doing what because we gotta keep an eye out for this stuff because it is really scary stuff, and and it's dry this year. So that's just all I wanted to say. But if you don't ban fireworks over over the whole city, I think

it's a mistake not to do that. Thank you so much. Thank you, Larry. Yeah. And the council can re respond after we finish this public session. And now we've got some young men here to discuss something at a very opportune time.

Yes. Thank you. First of all, I just wanna thank you all for your service to this community. I've been here for six years now. Name, please. Yep. It's Kyle Nedrick.

Thank you.

And my kids and I love to go to the skate parks around the valley. My wife's taken them to hire them tomorrow back. And I also love the skate park and grew up in a community that had a skate park. It was actually built when I was in, I believe, eighth grade, so I started skateboarding around that time. And I just know that it's a really safe place to keep the kids off of the, you know, public public and private properties. It's a great hub for activity, staying healthy. And if I need to get signatures, I'm happy to, you know, kinda go around the neighborhood and and ask people if they're interested in in supporting that. So however I can help, just know I'm I'm here for that. So I I talked to or emailed Marcus, and he said there's, like, the active transportation and parts master plan that's kind of being formed right now, but you're still looking for a contractor. Is that right? It's out it's out to RFP right now. Yep. Okay. Yeah. So just I just encourage you to kinda include that in a a skate park. Keep that in mind when you find the contractor. So I have a letter here as well just kind of highlighting some of the the benefits of a skate park and a potential location. Zach Shepherd, he's the owner of Direct of Skate Shop, in Logan. He thought maybe a good place, would be Legacy Park. That's just kind of an an idea. But, can I just give you the little spam? If I can email you as well, that'd be helpful.

And, yeah, if you can email it, then it can be attached to the meeting. Yeah. I can do that. Thank you.

I can email all the way to I'll do this.

Thank you.

Thanks. Thank you.

Thank you. If you have any questions for me,

I have about thirty second seconds or

I I take it you got

you brought the muscle to Yeah. So convince us. Yeah. I don't wanna come up and share your thoughts. None none of them have broken legs either.

Well, sure. You're welcome to come up and and and share your thoughts on this. Like to hear from the youth. We often build parks that are designed by us old people, and we'd much rather have youth involved in the thoughts of it.

Yeah. My name is Leo Gilbert, and I've spent a lot of time around skate parks and skateboarding. And I really have seen nothing but positives. I grew up when I was young, we'd go me and a couple friends would go ride our boards over to nearby skate parks. So I think it's really valuable that proximity for these younger generations to be able to go skate over to skate parks with their friends. And, I think skate parks are a fantastic way to build community, and they're great for mental health and physical health. So, strongly for a skate park. It's really been cool to see how much a skate park can benefit a community. So Well, thank you. Yeah. Can I ask a question? Yeah. How many,

skate parks are there in Cache Valley?

So there is four now. So you can go to those all of you go to those probably you're you're familiar with. Yeah. And it's been really cool to see the new skaters that have emerged with each skate park. The Providence one is the newest one. And, I mean, there's just so many new people who come and learn to skate. Me and a couple of these guys teach skate lessons through the other cities of these skate parks. And, I mean, it's full of just little kids who come and learn to love skateboarding. So I think a new skate park doesn't only provide a spot for existing skaters to go skate, but it really opens the gate for new people to come in and learn and love skateboarding

and scootering and biking. So Are you calling the small one in Smithfield a skate park? Yeah. It's it's quite small. But It is pretty small, but it still is pretty fun. It's pretty fun, but I I saw people in there elbow to elbow trying to do it. And I'm like, oh, that looks like an accident waiting to happen. It needs to be bigger. But Definitely. The one in Hiram is

probably the the best one in the valley. Yeah. I would even it's up there with parks in Utah even. That one's pretty awesome. So, yeah, we spend a lot of time out there in Cairo and or at the province one. But

K. Yeah. Well, thank you. Thank you, guys. Any of the other guys wanna do this? Sure.

Hi. My name is Chet Brown. Just wanted to add to the skate park thing and how essential that is. I think for a for a community, it it it gives people a great place to connect people of all, like, generations and backgrounds even to all have that one thing in common of skateboarding. So it's like I mean, growing up at the skate park, I'd go there every day, and there'd always be, excuse me, a friend, you know, or, like, multiple friends anytime of the day I'd go there, which is, I think, super rad and super I don't know. It'd be it'd be great to have in this community. And there are other skate parks people can drive to, but especially the younger kids that don't have a car or a license, it'd be great to have one here in Hyde Park for them to, you know, come to that be nice and close. That's all I have to say. Okay. Well, thank you.

Appreciate that. Any other comments? If not, we'll close the public session. I'll tell you that we as Marcus indicated, we have a grant that we're going out for our parks and trails master plan. And all of this, I imagine, they'll be a part of public interface. Mhmm. Probably some open houses down here at the city building. So your folks if your folks receive a water bill, they also receive a Let City newsletter. And watch for those. Come down and be heard. I mean, these these parks are are built for the youth, and I think they're done for a good purpose to get people out in front of play stations, get them out and exercising, doing things when when an adult can be out there on the skateboard and some of the youth can be there and their peers at that time. They're not, you know, adults telling them what to do. The heck, the adults are probably trying to learn what the youth are doing. So I I know my son goes, and he takes his boys. They like going to Providence. They like going to Hiram, and then they like complaining to me. So so I I think that's some of the things that we need to plan for. Parks built for the people that they're are using them. As far as the fire, I went up there with Larry and and saw how close he came to losing his livelihood and his home. And I think next week, we need to send that out. We have it in city code that no fireworks above Northeast. And, I I would ask the chief to to have the police on patrol. It's city code and that they can they can be cited for violation of that. It's if we can't learn by just looking out and take a look at the air that we're getting from Salt Lake County and seeing all the smoke that we're getting, you know, it's on fire down there. And it'll it'll go up fast and so fast that the people like Larry, they won't have time to respond, and people will leave us home. So I think we need to get a message out early next week and have the police vigorously force it. And I know one city in Utah has banned fireworks altogether. Don't know how well that's gonna work, but I sometimes it's people get fireworks and they just get wide eyes and they common sense goes out the window. They thought it would be good to light the firework in the road just north of Larry's house. Well, it went to the north of the road and the south of the road and came close to burn up his studio. So I I really think that needs to be washed in this really a dry season, but all the time. But most important time is right now.

So I have a question.

Chief, do you intend on giving warnings or tickets? Tickets system. Tickets. On that. So I actually I've talked with Mary a little bit about this, but, one of the things that last year, we didn't have people actually out on an active patrol for that special assignment. And this year with this dry is what it is is what Larry talked about. That is something that we're, thinking to do is make some overtime shifts available for the officers to work specifically the fireworks complaints. We always get them. They're always an issue on that. So this year, we need to be proactive with it.

Good. So if any of the youth that are in the room lives east of this building, you might wanna go west. Don't don't light fireworks up at at all. Please don't. It's it'll get away from the fire department so fast. The small one down south, I read once it was a thousand acres, and now it's on its way to being a 100000% controlled. So Okay. And there was one that burned up a ski resort down there down south. So

That was the easiest way for someone to notify you if there's fireworks in an area.

It needs to come through 911 dispatch, and it needs to be immediate. Quite quite often, the the struggle that the police have in responding is it it comes half an hour later or five hours later. They're like, oh, yeah. My neighbor was, like, shooting it off, and I'm like,

like This would be the first year I wouldn't hear fireworks if it were to stop

where I live, and I live in the fire that area too right right above the canal. I guarantee you're gonna hear them up there. Oh, I know it. People will do it no matter what

So we really need to themselves too. And probably starting on Thursday

if if you are ready. My kids are coming, and they wanted to bring fireworks. And I told them no way because I didn't wanna go to jail.

Yeah. I told them that they were leaving for you.

Yeah. I have a question for the young men. I'm wondering what the collective personality is of skaters. You know, we we've had trouble in our parks with vandalism in the bathrooms and just wondered what the personality is of the skaters. Do you take care of your parks? Are you fiercely taking care of your parks? Kinda can be an indication of

Yeah. You know? Sure. Come on up.

I mean, you're getting all types of personalities. Like, every kind of person is out there. Like you were saying, like, from younger kids all the way to adults, most of us, when we go to these parks, like, any single one of them, usually, the first thing we do is kinda, like, look around. Maybe there's

old water bottles on a bench, so make sure to clean that up. You know? Make sure we're taking good care of it before,

excuse me, before we actually start skateboarding. So Okay. Well, I know peer pressure goes a long ways. And so if if you saw somebody committing vandalism in the park, in the restrooms, in the skates area that I I would hope that if we had one that you guys would be ready to call 911 or ready to report somebody Yeah. For sure. And to protect our our parks. Totally. Yeah.

Make sure everyone is kinda on on board with the same idea of keeping the parks clean and

looking out for each other, make sure everyone is doing the right thing. That's the right answer. Thank you. I I can never understand people destroying

I I community property. I saw one of the craziest things at at Lions Park this last Sunday when we were up there. We're at Middle Lions, we're the pavilion. We're there having dinner, and a group came through by the water tank, and they had devised the game where they would take a bocce ball. Everyone knows those big at heart, and they were rolling them down the walkways. Just so happens to be my wife's new car, my new truck, my son in law's Corvette was down there by them. And, oh, by the way, it was adults that were doing this. And it it just was beyond me of we're all running out to our vehicles to move them because they thought that would be a good idea. Not certain in what reality, but it comes in all issues. We may be grown ups, but we don't have the market on common sense sometimes. So, the first part as when I was on city council seventeen years ago, we opened up Lions Park or Lee Park bathrooms that were just built first weekend. There was $40,000 worth of damage done in there, tearing sinks off and bathroom toilets off, and we just locked them up for the year and called it good. And so it comes in all shapes and sizes, but it really comes down to what Stephanie's alluding to. Your parents pay for this. You know, we're we're we're just trying to be good stewards and do what community wants, but parents pay for the the amenities out there. And we wanna we wanna treat them good so you can come back tomorrow and the next day, and I think that's important for all of us. But that was that was a good answer. The UIA take care of it before you go before you do it. Mayor,

I've just been thinking in regards to the Windmoor's request about fireworks. Do you think it would behoove the city to take a stronger stance to fireworks this year? I know every year we say no fireworks above Northeast, and it never it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that we say it. It doesn't matter that it's in the ordinance. Every year we say it, and every year I worry that my backyard's gonna burn because people are on 7th East lighting fireworks and I'm just a little bit, and they get it up above me even more. I just feel like we need to make a stronger statement or as or or all out ban, I think would be, and maybe in our best interest. Maybe a city wide allowing the city fireworks to be the only fireworks that happen Right. This year. Or because I just I don't think it's going to make a difference if we don't take a stronger stance in this dry year. I just. Folks, folks are already buying them. They're already buying. Opened up today. Right? I think. Yeah. And maybe if we put the word out sooner that we will be ticketing and we expect no fireworks and please come to our city celebration to enjoy your fireworks this year. To actually do a ban on something like that, Marcus,

wouldn't we have to have a resolution?

I think so. I mean, governor Cox already recommended that that's what all the communities do so we can It's really dangerous. Rely heavily on the his proclamation to create one of our own.

We we should look at we may not catch the fourth, but they sell fireworks Yeah. I'm up. Through the twenty fourth. And so let's look at perhaps getting that and doing it because it's not gonna get, you know, it's gonna get only more dry between now and our city celebration. We have one more city council meeting before that. Mhmm. And so let's look at what the governor has out there, and perhaps we put that on the agenda and and have a ban on fireworks. And I'll actually speak with mayor Peterson, North Logan, and they may do this too likewise. Maybe even a courtesy request through the pigeon. Like

Yeah. We're not trying to put a damper on your celebration, but in the interest of safety, could we all be mindful this year and not participate with fireworks and let's celebrate together at the city or something? Like, a just a I think we need to get a message out there that says

I can't it's a little more serious than just Those the a good message would be those above East Of Northeast get excited We'll be excited. On the July 4, and then maybe the world will get around, and you won't have to shouldn't be doing that. That'd be a good message. And if it's the first people that do it on Thursday or Friday or whatever day it is and the word gets out, that would be a good start. Yeah. I'm wondering if there's any place in town that we could offer up. You know, is it Lee Park? If you've got some fireworks, you know, go do it where there's a lot of green space even though it's dry down there. I'm glad we aren't watering it every day.

Does North Park do any have any restrictions?

I'll talk with mayor Peterson, and I think she came back. The fire restrictions come through the fire marshal and through the state that way. They're the ones who put those in place. When they do restrictions, but when we implemented it in code, then we got to govern. Larry, did you have a comment?

If we did manage and throughout the city, it'd be easier to control us. We can't we're on firework, so we're not feeling off their above door. We don't know. We can't tell when they're they're looking at us. Now if it's any

So this year being

a hundred fifty fifty year of our anniversary of the American celebration, all of you were gonna want set fireworks off. But I guarantee if you set them up in this environment, this can be a fire. I mean, as it is still drying. But so maybe the the one thought would be that maybe it did manage either come over the block

too. So would it be since we're with Smithfield Fire Department, do we talk to the fire chief there, or do does it implement it at the county level and then comes down to fire departments?

Indeed with the Smithville fire chief there on that. But my 2¢ worth Larry brings up a really good point. When we're getting complaints that come into dispatch, we're driving around the area trying to figure out, you know, where it's coming from. Is it 3rd East? Is it 2nd East? Is it 5th East? Like, we're not sure where it's coming from because they've stopped by the time we get there on that. And so and all out ban is easier. They shouldn't be going off. It's easier to enforce that than it is to well, from this here to here, you can, but not that that's my truth. It's worth it from the police perspective.

It it's easier to enforce the onesies and twosies you find, but if everyone in town is doing it, you don't have enough people. I don't have enough people. Yeah. You know what I mean? That that becomes part of the issue too is this. You know, they're gonna if they're going off wherever, you're gonna catch, you know, one or two, and you'll never get to the ones over here or there in in time. But Oh, that would be the priority. Start there and Right. Work your way down. But down. The overtime chips will help with that.

But but still, I think the public necessity to share is great.

Yeah. I I think there's Tiffany's right. If we we set a citywide band, they'll know we're serious, but we're not gonna put up with it.

It may be lightens a load for the police a little bit if if more people will be law abiding and then the few that aren't,

maybe they can There are other firework shows going on. Logan still has their firework show that they're putting on. There'll be places to see them. Heavens, I put a big one on down in the church parking lot.

I can't promote put going to the church to do it, but that's where I did it. You're saying no because it's across the street from you, but you can't yeah. Like I said, I can't promote saying go to the church because that's private property and you can't do it on school stuff either. But we need this year's really bad, so let's come up with a strong statement that we send out on Pidgin next week that not only is it prohibited, it'll be cited above Northeast, and we'd encourage everyone to refrain from fireworks this year in light of the Yeah. Such a dry condition that you may you likely will get visited no matter what if you're like a moth. You should get visited by police.

I think you need I think you need to send something out sooner if you're gonna do it, like, tomorrow Yes. And then a reminder next Thursday. Right. Same second notice. K. If if you're gonna be serious about it Yeah. And then and then follow-up and, you know They started selling today, they can sell a week ahead or something like that. Yeah. I think that's what I heard and saw. I mean, all the tents were going up yesterday.

And It's three days before,

isn't it? Yeah. There there's a time frame before and after the holiday. I think the twenty fourth is, like, the

day before. Yeah. Anyway So let's let's get a strong message

sent out. I know it's in this going out in the city newsletter. But Do you wanna still let people know that not only a reminder of the code, you can't launch fireworks up past 4th East, but also let them know that the council will be considering a citywide ban. Do you want us to include that in the message?

Citywide ban. Nope. We can't do it in time for the fourth. Correct? I think We have to notice that one to do a resolution. Right, Tanya?

Well, yeah, we'd have to have We have to have agenda. Time. Yeah. Yeah. So Giving the public a heads up is nothing but kind on our behalf if we're going to cite, like, ticket and ban and sending information that this is a possibility this summer if you participate in fireworks. I think it's like, they might not buy them. I wouldn't wanna waste a $100 on fireworks if I know I couldn't That's correct. What I want use them. Yeah.

Prevent

sooner than later. Yeah. So I think it's fair to send the message that we

don't wanna see fireworks unless our at our city celebration this year. I would just hate for us to be here two weeks from now, the city council meeting, talking about the fire that burned up a hillside, and we haven't done what we need to do. I don't know how that one two years ago didn't burn us in the home. Larry, it was only because Larry was home and

In the fire department.

It was amazing. But it was scary. And but but Larry wasn't answering this phone. I know that. They were pounding on your door.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It got well, they didn't. Tell you what happened. Fantastic job. I didn't think they ever did that out. When it's going through miles an hour, which problems always happen when the fire is wind case up. So it was really amazing that they got there. I didn't think they were getting that out. Yeah. And that fire was caused by fire, which Yep. As you know, you're out there that morning. You'd see on Oprah, they shot for a good year and shot it down the road in my studio. So people don't always fall a lot, obviously. So so I don't know. It's just that it would be proved, I think, this not messes, ma'am. This dry weather and too. And I don't remember Cox looked that up. It. It was considering a state white band, but I think he said we've done cities and counties. So, anyway, I I don't mind sitting. It was a close call, though. Yeah. And then where did that? The cash off, I mean, for all of those houses up there.

Yeah.

I really appreciate your consideration

on it. Thank you, Larry. You. Alright. Let's move to the next item. Any council report? Anything, Dave? You've been gallivanting around though. A little bit.

Safety committee, you want me to mention something now or wait until the end? Or Let's wait till the end on that one. Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Kyle and group. Thanks for coming. Thank you, guys,

for coming in. Appreciate y'all. Stephanie, you got something coming up?

Got a big city celebration coming up. Do you want me to go over it now? Sure. So we've had a couple of things change as far as the agenda. We are going to put the old timer social on Friday night starting at 06:00. They'll meet out here at the Remember Monument. And Larry Winberg is going to be the guest speaker. It'll Oh. Last for about That'd be good. Forty five minutes to an hour. And that that those will be the only two things, the car show and the old timers social will happen on Friday night. The hide porker barbecue contest is being moved to Saturday. That is so we can perhaps capture those that are working on Friday and not able to do that. So I've got a great camp chef. What would you call it? A They're they're they're like Blackstones. They're they're griddles.

Yes.

Got one of those for first prize. And yeah. So we It's a nice one. 36 inch. It's a big one. So Yeah. So that's gonna be first place. We're hoping to get a lot of participation this year. If we don't, I think we'll do away with it. We are gonna really push it as far as yard signs. It's a QR code that people can sign up very easily. We're gonna push it on social media a lot and that also, if they'll tag five friends on social media, we're gonna be giving away a price there to somebody, for those who tag five people. So we're really pushing this this year to see if it can catch on. And the the rest of the schedule is pretty much the same. We will not have the bike race this year. Unfortunately, the person that does that the two people that do that both have conflicts this year. So it will be coming back next year, but we won't have it this year. We will not have the fireman's hose because of the water situation. We will though have water on some of the inflatables. So we'll have the starting out with the the five k and one mile race. We'll have yoga on the lawn. We'll have the parade. Then we'll have all the things in the city, the church square that we are moving up because the church is not allowing allowing selling on church property. So everything is going to be shifted kind of west. In the city right away? In the city right away. So all the vendors will be in the city right away on they're on Main Street and also the booths. There's lots of people reaching out to do booths. I I feel so bad. There's not shade there. It's gonna be very hot in July, but I don't know what else to do.

Stephanie, real quick. Could you get us a final map for all the road closures you're gonna need? I'm having public works order us signs for all of our road closures again. Okay. Could you just give me a map? Parade? Parade and all day. Since we're putting stuff in the road Uh-huh. And we're doing the hard road closures for a couple of those, I just need, like, a a final layout from you. It's Main Street. Okay. It's under

to one Under North. Excuse the map, and we can put the time frames on it and things like that. Yes.

Yeah. And then if if you make a map, then we can just send that directly to the signage company and say, this is how we want it. And we can be it can be very customizable. So, yeah, stop by my office or email me one, and we'll get those signs ordered. K.

We'll have all the activities as usual down on the church square just set up a little different, and maybe it'll be

better. Some of them may may sell their tickets for a burger out in the right of way, but they could be grilling at the burgers on the church property. There's Yes. Money's exchange money changing hands.

And money changers.

Outside it affects the taxes gap status of the church. So Yes. We'll need to look at future opportunities, whether legacy or Lee or other areas, perhaps.

We also will be having a band, a live band in the evening. They're called River Dogs, and they will be playing for about three hours. And so people can eat, listen to that, and then, of course, there'll be nine square and those kind of games going on along with the barrel train cars. And then, of course, we are going to have a patriotic program, very heavy on patriotism, Fireworks after the fireworks dance, the end.

I I would encourage council members. I know Stephanie and I, the last couple years, have been down. We we ask people to clean up after themselves, but we come down Sunday morning because I hate getting called to the principal's office because we left a mess. And so we we've been down Sunday morning just policing up the grounds, making sure that you leave them clean. So, counsel, I'd ask you to join us for fun and games Sunday morning.

What time do you usually go down there the next morning?

When I get up. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm exhausted

after that day. Yeah. I need to be down there. We would like to get to them before their first services before nine. So down there at 08:00 and start picking things up. There's two eights on the clock, Stephanie. One

one is coming up in about sixteen minutes. That's the only That's the only one you know of. I know that.

There's two of them. What?

I I wanna see that on the Internet outside.

Yeah. Google it. You'll find out. They can't lie on Google.

So anything else? I think that's enough.

Tiffany.

I got a letter from, well, a memorandum, MOU, from Green Canyon High School about the roundabout. I just uploaded it into box because I didn't get it done earlier, but if you would all take the time to read it and review it. Marcus has read it, had concerns about the water. I think the way that the high school is looking at it is that they wanna be the caretaker. They wanna give a design to be approved by the city that needs to be water wise, but they want it to represent the school, and they'll be the caretakers of the roundabout. So they have some student buy in into community involvement. They want, like, the kids to have some pride in the community, so they want them to be the caretakers of the school. They want each senior class to be able to add something to the roundabout in in memory of their class. And but then it will function like a round like our other roundabout. So we would water the plants. We would take care of any major

We have a we we have a design for it.

Yeah.

A a a water wise one. Oh, we have a new one. I think I think Do you have a new one? Didn't Nick do one for that? He did one for a different roundabout.

Pardon? He did it for a different roundabout. He did not do it. This would be for the roundabout with the wolf in it. Yeah. Yeah. And they have a landscaper

that they have contracted with that will put a design together to present to the city, and we would approve it. And then they would want us to enter into this MOU of how it's going to be

They want us into their the cared for or to plan who who buys the plants? They're gonna do all that. Oh. They're gonna do

all yeah. The they're gonna the design but then they'll do the upkeep and the maintenance, planting, weeding, mulching, litter removal, seasonal landscape care. They're gonna do all of that, but they will be responsible for infrastructure, the roundabout. I don't know. But if you take a minute and read it, Gordon Geddes has asked that I get back with them, and I would like to take the council's feedback. Is there any downside to it? I don't think so. No. I mean, I don't think it's a bad I don't think it's bad. But if there's anything that's concerning Marcus pointed out that they mentioned we we would be responsible for the water, but we also wanna be sure that we're water wise we're implementing those things, and that's why they have to present the plan to the council for approval before he gets come up with a waterfall and Yeah. We're not gonna be doing that. But Okay. Anyways and then I just had complaints from the citizens because now on the entrance to Hyde Park Canyon, they've hung a sign, I don't think it's us, that says, you can't go up there because of h v three, the ebike one. Mhmm. Does that mean that they can't ride motorcycles and ATVs and things up the canyon? So Or does our ordinance prohibit that?

Yeah. It does. Mhmm.

It's a tricky subject, actually. So the public lands where it has been allowed on the past, they are allowed to do that on. Okay. So for instance, my family, we go up Logan Canyon and, you know, we do our our military over even over to Bear Lake supply. And so the the public lands that are authorized for

that, yes, they can Okay. On that. That's what I told them, but probably not like Bonneville Shoreline Trail is not one of those. The the Shoreline Trail, they cannot. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a non motorized trail anyway, so you can't be riding your ebike out there. They were just upset because someone's posted it that you can't take any motorized vehicle, and then they cited that bill. And I was like, well, that's the e bike bill. Right. But I don't think our owners discourage us.

Yeah. There's provisions in the e bike bill that prohibits certain age groups from riding e bikes on public property, so maybe they're referencing that and thinking it means everyone. K. But the prohibition is specific to certain age groups. Yeah. Not everybody.

Okay. There was just I didn't think it was assigned from the city, but there was some concern Oh. The citizens. We did not put it out. It's like landlords. I don't know who it's assigned from. But it it mentions that bill, wild horses. Anyway, so

that's cause cause concern. Just know I've seen less ebikes.

There have been less, actually. We were asked about that yesterday, actually. We're having two to three a week that we're contacting still and getting the information and pamphlets to and talking to the parents. So it's considerably less than what it was last year. Yeah. We're still there's still gonna be problems with it, but it has helped. And, you know, I look at the young men who are asking about the skate park. We're asking them to not be on the ebikes. Maybe let's provide a place where they can go. What can they do? I agree.

Oh,

you had

the front porch. We did. It was well attended, and we talked about composting. People were excited about it. I don't know. It was it went well. We're our next activity is gonna be the second Thursday in August, and we're gonna call it a summer social. And I don't I have to clear it with the legal side of what we can can and can't do for food because I don't wanna get in trouble. So Get it catered. It's the easiest way to do it. We might. So I think we're just gonna do a summer social and, hopefully, have some activities where people will interact with community. But we are saying front porch group is technically for 55 and older, but anyone's welcome that wants to come. Anybody that could come sit on my front porch is welcome at the front porch group to come and visit and interact. So we're doing that for the older section of our community, but we're encouraging it to be anybody that's interested, come and attend and and get to know your neighbors. Mhmm. Okay.

Okay. We we can start going next year then.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm not aware. I can start going next year and by next year. Because you you're gonna get enough once we're done. Younger people come. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. We're like, everybody can come. Everybody's welcome. Sure. Have you got anything? I was gonna bring up the fireworks, and that's already been discussed in the past, so I'm

good. Couple things for me. I met with DUP, Doctors Utah Pioneers, and we've offered as a city they've they've compiled some histories, and we've offered that we would scan them and create some electronic files because they have, you know, one of a kind copies. And so we would create it electronically for them. They they made some paper copies, and we've got them in the city office in there. One thing that came up and the monument I can't remember where it's at, where it has the the original people that came to Hyde Park. They told me that it that it has, you know, it has, like, Robert Danes and different people like that. I'm like, well, it didn't come alone. They probably had a wife with them and some kids, and they won't yeah. But it only listed the men's names there. And I assume that that that was insinuating the family, But I told them we should have add a plaque that has the women and the children that were originally settled this place. They gave me the they said they'd get a list, for that, and I told them I would help find a donor that would put money towards that plaque. And I've already done that, and they gave me a list of names. So now we got to just get it made into the a plaque and, like, turned it. Since it's a donor that's doing it, I'll just facilitate it, and then they can do their own unveiling of their plaque and things like that. Need to follow-up sometime and find out where we are on the other park

Signs? Sign. Did you guys take that over? Yeah. We're waiting till the new fiscal year, but we're gonna meet with the people who make the signs and come up with some kind of, bulk order and schedule to get the rest of them made Okay. Probably later in the summer. Okay.

And then the last thing, Marcus and I met with we'll call it slow the flow people.

And there were other people there too. Devin, you were there? I didn't No. Get to that meeting. Dave was there. I wanna show Was Dave there? That was Mikhail. We were there. Was there. And

they they have a program where they can help us with some social media. They can help us getting messages out on water conservation. A big thing that they can help us is write our water conservation plan. That's a huge undertaking. There there is a cost associated. It was $3,000 for the year, and I think that is significantly less than getting a water conservation plan together. And so we would have to enter into an MOU with them, but I'm looking for the council to see if you'd give the thumbs up on this. I I thought it was a good good thing that they could help us do to not only socialize it, but to help it help us ingrain it into our court code and codify things that way. So if the council it's it's a low enough amount that we I could have done that without, but I just want to see that the council is on board with that and see I see people nod their head. Dave, do you guys call them over? Excuse me. I'm just gonna say, and they have a lot of in addition to social media

stuff, they've got a lot of hard copy paper cop you know, handouts, this and that, and even mentioned perhaps a booth at our hometown days. And they would provide all all the resources we'd want to do that. So that'd be a great way to kinda get this thing started

and kick it off. So And I I told him I it says slow the flow kinda means, like, we need to dial it back right now, but we need to change our behavior. The messages that I've sent out as message from the mayor about, you know, conserving water and less water and sprinkling. I know we have good spring runoff right now, but I think it's just a behavioral change that we need to implement for us and for the future of people coming to Hyde Park, and and we just need to be good stewards of our resources. So that's typically one that doesn't get made more of, so we need to use it wisely. Marcus, you got anything from the Donya?

Nope. I was just gonna mention the slow the flow, but you already covered that, so I'm good.

Chief. Did you wanna talk about that? Sure.

So the chief well, we were talking police budget in that police commission, and I know the city council has we've already approved this the number that in our tentative budget that we had that the state made us come up with, and we recognize that we'll end up amending that in August. North Logan, they approved a different percentage than what we approved in our budget. They approved 4%. What that means to Hyde Park is the worst case scenario is what you've already approved. But what it when they the percentage that North Logan approved is less than what we approved, and it's a formula that we go into. So it would mean a reduction of over $35,000 in the Hyde Park's

police budget. So Well, not excuse me, Mara. I'm sorry. Not quite that much from Well, it says it says Is that So the increase would be from 56 is what we present, 56,000 that and with the reduction that North Logan did Oh. It would take it to 35,000 would be High Park's portion. And so from 56 to 35. Okay. You're right.

The increase we approved was 6.1, but North Logan approved 4%. So reducing our portion down to 4% would mean our portion of Hyde Park was nine nine hundred and eighty thousand five seven five twenty nine previously, and and now it drops it to nine fifty four, five zero three. So

So are we are we saying that the pay increase that we tentatively approved was more than what North Logan

No. What we what we no. This is the overall This is the overall budget. Overall budget. And so I I met with the chief and Sherry this week, and they figured out where they're going to cut it. Pay increases will still be going through. Mhmm. And they're cutting in other places. We recognize that we typically under execute in some areas, so that's we're going to lean into that and and just see where the chips fall. Mhmm. I spoke with Alan Luce earlier today and told him, you realize what y'all call cost, and he says, yes. Sorry. So I know mayor Peterson, she I think she just come back, and I'll probably be meeting with her tomorrow or Friday and talk about roles and responsibilities for the members of their own police commission. And

So you can say about I'll leave it at that. About 80% of that police budget is salary and benefits. So Yeah. If if you are nickel and dime in somewhere else and you're gonna not approve what you were planning on approving, then it's gonna end up coming out

of pay increases. Well, we we know that So they've been authorized for x number of employees, and we haven't hit that yet. So that's probably where it will come from. But Okay. We hate to do we hate do we want to hope to understaff police? If if that's not what No. I am not in favor of So bad. Yeah. But Yeah. That's that's what happened there. Please, chief, you got other

weekly report information here? Yep. Just just real brief. I wanted to do a recap. So that, again, the first report that we gave is usually the recap of the month prior of the of where Hyde Park sat, and the way calls came in. This, these are the stats for the week of June 14 through June 20. During that week, the department handled a 130 calls. 24 of those were with Hyde Park, or for Hyde Park area specifically. And out of that non nine were the non priority, which you see in the blue, the animal problems, traps, some citizen assist inspections, and some abandoned vehicles. And then the the majority of the calls, 15 of of the 24 were priority type calls. The most serious of those have been the rape, investigation that we are working on that. So, in addition to that, I didn't break it down by city on the citations, but we've had several of officers that were at training this last week. And so we were down our our stats are down a little bit for the stops. We had 90 traffic stops for the week, 15 citations, and 62 warnings total on that. In addition to that, we've also done several presentations between myself and Lieutenant Pugmire on the active shooter Cray's presentation, it's it's the citizen response against active shooter that we presented to Hyde Park City. But that's been presented to Cache Valley Hospital. I presented last night to Hiram City. They had a request from their council to to present that to them, and so I I did that. I presented on that. So the information is getting out. We're staying busy, but

this is kind of the snapshot of this last week that we're looking at. Does anybody have any questions for the chief? No? Thanks, chief. Appreciate you. And I know you got some things you can run to. So, the first item that we have for action is a public hearing to consider ordinance twenty twenty six dash o eight and the ordinance enacting compensation increase for specific city officers. This came about a couple years ago when the state CJ and the state enacted to be a a trend more transparency on pay increases, and that in would include three offices inside Hyde Park City. And if the the code, the ordinance I know I've got it here somewhere. In our city council meeting. No. It says o eight, but it's actually

It's we're looking at ordinance twenty twenty six zero nine. O nine?

Yeah. O nine. Is our meeting agenda incorrect? Okay. It's twenty twenty six zero nine. And it's referencing a two and a half percent increase for city administrator, public works, building inspection director, and the total is five 6%, 5%, 5% for those respective positions. So this is a public hearing. I will open it up for public comment at this time.

Mayor, would it be helpful for me to do a quick explanation on how we do our wage calculations? Yes. So every year, High Park City budgets, wage increases from for two reasons. One is cost of living adjustments, and we get those numbers directly from the Utah Retirement Services. Every year, they do a little post about, you know, inflationary costs, cost of living adjustments, and so we take their numbers. And then the remainder of the increase is due to performance factors. And so every year, we do performance evaluation process. We'll have all the supervisors do, people who they supervise. And then finally, I meet with all the department heads and supervisors to do theirs, and then I meet with the mayor to kinda go over everybody and to do my own evaluation. We have a unique problem in Hyde Park that for the past two years, everybody has had really great performance evaluations. We have a really amazing staff right now, people who are really motivated to do a good job and to work hard. And so we've had a lot of people with a lot of increases. This year, the mayor also commissioned a wage study and then a small scale wage study. And so Melissa and Dania put together a little wage study of cities of a similar size and in our area, looking at how we compare on with our wages. And we're we're doing good. We are underpaying a little bit, but it's to be expected because of the size of the municipality and the scale of the problems that we deal with. So, overall, we felt like the wages were very fair for the for the city.

But The term is I I strive to be extremely average. So we're not the highest paid. We're not the lowest paid.

But yeah. So the raises being considered for the three who are for the public hearings, 5% for the two. And the only reason that mine is at six percent was a little tiny additional increase to try and get me up near where other city administrators are as part of that wage study. He's

Yeah. The lowest in the valley.

So that's how we got where we are.

So public hearing is open for any comment. Having none, I would close the public comment and turn it back to the council to discuss or make a motion on this resolution. And this was already built into the budget that that you approved.

I move that we adopt and pass ordinance twenty twenty six dash zero nine enact enacting compensation increases for these three specific city officers.

I'll second that.

Got a motion with a second to approve twenty twenty six dash o nine, an ordinance for the compensation of the three offices in Hyde Park City. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Motion carries four zero. I will tell you at this time, I I think I've stated there, council and mayor, was it what I is it the increase is what I said? You get nothing. Good day, sir. Oh, I was like So I think we're fine. So no increase for mayor or council on that. So

Yeah. We as a city staff are very grateful that whether you knew it or not, you volunteered your increase so that we could give increases to all of our employees. So we we thank you very much for that. You're welcome.

Well, you have to recognize who really does a lot of the heavy lifting here.

Well, I was gonna say, you know, I don't know that any of us do this for for the pay Yeah. But our city staff does. I mean, that's how they And they have to make 11 for the That's how they pay their bills to make 11. So

Yep. So the next item is consider ordinance twenty twenty six zero eight this time. I'm hoping I'll take a look at oh, that was it. Now we're Oh, we did a and b. The next item is

Your numbers off again.

Step on the numbers off. That's why I love You know, not I love the number O nine, apparently. It's 26Dash15. It's 2026Dash15.

Okay. I'm getting confused here. Public hearing to consider resolution twenty twenty six dash 15 resolution adopting the amendment to the 2026 fiscal year budget ending June 30. And so this will be the first time we see it, and then we'll close the books out September?

This no. These it closes June 30. This one? So these are the So you final amendments before the year ends. Don't won't you do a year end one later? This is this is year end. This is it. Okay.

We're closing out in what less than we We'll open up that public hearing portion of this. Having none close that, Dania, is there anything well, it's pretty much up there. Yeah. It's

it's there for you to see. I think the things that stand out is building permits. We always budget low because we never know what kind of year it's gonna be in the building department. And as you can see, it was well above anticipated. And so we're increasing the budget for the revenue in in the building permits, which also reflects on, park and road impact fees. And then bonus density, we took in, I think, our final we have Juniper. Last We have one we have one left, but we took in more this year than I had budgeted for. You should But the book to see. Exciting thing to see here is that we will be transferring because I'm determined not to get that finding again this year of having too too much in our general fund. We are transferring $1,342,000 into a capital projects. And that sounds like a lot, but it's what's happened is we didn't buy the snowplows that we were budgeted to buy and a few other items like that. So that money just goes into a capital projects account so that it can be purchased next year or whenever that happens. I will get with George tomorrow or Friday and find out because he agreed to it.

It was they weren't new to us. They were well, they were new to us. They weren't new snowplows. They were county was replacing some. So I'll find out where we are on being able to purchase those.

Okay. And a lot of this, we we do do a cushion for maintenance. And so a lot of this is that maintenance cushion that just goes in the capital projects. So in future years, we have a little maintenance money. So it's good news that we have that much over the last couple years to put into that for those items. So I felt like the budget rolled out really well this year. How much

how much more on the building permits did we end up with the increase?

The 360,000.

It would that 360

is an increase. An increase beyond what we had budgeted.

K. That's

So that's, yeah, significant. A lot of a couple commercial businesses more than the last year?

Yeah.

That's an increase of $3.60.

Yeah. Yeah. The number of permits, I think, was pretty similar, but we had some bigger buildings come in. And so the fees are a little higher because the reviews take more time, the inspections take more time, and so we got a few more larger fees. We didn't necessarily have, like, a huge influx of new permits. Right.

And, of course, the townhomes helped with that as well. Yes. The gateway helpful. Yeah.

Anyway, I if you have any questions,

I'm happy to answer. But

As some may not know, Hyde Park's building inspection does the building inspections for North Logan, Clarkston Newton, Clarkston, and Lewiston. Newton, Clarkston, Lewiston, and negotiating another town. And we'll see. It's something that we have probably one of the I know we're more experienced and more certifications than the county. So we'll we'll see where this goes. I'm trying to negotiate another town, large municipality in the valley. So it would help Hyde Park. So it's before you then, counsel, to discuss and have a motion on resolution twenty twenty six fifteen, the budget amendment.

Curious. Do we really spend 20,000 on the city celebration?

That was an increase because we paid I've forgotten his name. For the four year contract. Oh, Kevin. Yes. Kevin. Thank you. Kevin Wheatley. And so that that's the only reason for that increase. It's not usually that much. There's a check on your desk too. Two of them. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. Or the other one, Kate. Good deal. Who's mister Mister, I'll make the motion. We approve resolution resolution 2026Dash15.

Kirk's got a motion to approve the book of revelations. No. Resolution twenty twenty six dash fifteen. Is there a second? I'll second. Second from Stephanie. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? The next item is a rezone parcel. If it's a smart parcel that the city owns, and it was long ago acquired because believed Wolfpack Way was going to curve up by in the different locations. So High Park City has owns that parcel. This parcel right here, we're rezoning it to this same zone as commercial, and then we're going to trade this or this part, trade it with the heart so so that we don't have to purchase that. So that was part of the agreement to do that, and that's what the rezone is for. So since it's considered, we open that up to public hearing on the rezone?

The public hearing was held at the planning commission. In planning commission. True.

And they I was there, and they voted unanimously before. So, counsel, it's to you.

This has already been agreed to in negotiations. Yes. Yep. So I would motion that we approve the rezone. Yep. This was in the negotiation

with the the Hart Properties people. Marcus, you have more on that? Yeah. The the difficult part is

the the city can't agree to a legislative action by a written contractor agreement. And so we needed to have the city council still consider the rezone just like we would any other. We haven't necessarily promised that it would happen, but we told them we'll try our best because we think this is a good thing for everybody. So, yeah, we we didn't promise the rezone, but we really hope you vote yes because that would make this negotiation much, much easier.

For Wolfpack Way. Heather yeah. Wolfpack Way. Otherwise, we're we're creating a parcel out of you go back up there

with Matt. Oh, I don't. Put it here.

It just isn't a good one. What we end up doing is creating a strip of power from here Yeah. That they can't utilize. So we're almost almost like condemning. And Yeah. Now do we have to buy that too? Yeah. So

I still think it's a good idea, so I still make the motion.

So did you say you made the motion to approve the rezone request? You have the motion to approve the rezone request?

That went before the planning commission, didn't it? Yes. Yep. And they all they voted unanimously

for the rezoning. It's from r two to commercial. No. I'll second it. And go second from Stephanie. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Next item is we had some time ago, some water rates discussion, and and Marcus, the Colette and Melissa spent a lot of time on this work. And so we're just this is just some discussion. No motion is needed on this.

So there was some question brought up at the previous meeting by a public comment about how the study was done and how do we get our numbers. And so I visited with Colette and Melissa. They tackled this and put it together, and we came up with a statement that I'd like to read for the record that just describes how we got the numbers that we got. So here we go. Hyde Park City did not commission or perform a formal cost of service water study. Instead, city staff conducted an internal financial review of the water enterprise fund. The review analyzed historical revenues and expenditures, projected future operating costs using reasonable inflation assumptions, evaluated anticipated revenue under current and proposed rate structures, and compared Hyde Park's rates to neighboring communities. The purpose was to determine whether the current rates appear sufficient to sustain water operations and infrastructure obligations over the next several years. City staff recognizes that a comprehensive water cost of service study would involve additional engineering, customer classification, forecasting, metering analysis, and rate design work beyond the scope of our internal review. We completed an appropriate preliminary financial review and identified a likely future funding gap, and that review may be sufficient to justify modest rate adjustments. However, if the council wishes to redesign rates based on customer classes, conservation objectives, equity considerations, or long term planning, a professional cost of service study would be the next step. So it's a really fancy way to say what we did is take we took the budget and forecast it out, essentially found out how much money does it cost for us to run the system today. And then we they they applied an inflation modifier of three percent over the next five years and figured out how much money we would need to keep things going as they are now. And then converted that into a water rate, but then also compared it to our neighbors because we don't wanna be too crazy compared to our neighbors because that's just inviting problems. And so that's how we got the number that we got. Now when I did some research into what an actual rate study would involve, there is a significant amount of work that would take. I did reach out to Sunrise Engineering. They offered to do one for us. It they would not do it for free, and it would not be cheap. And if that's something the city council would like to do, then that's something that we could do if we wanted to attach more specific objectives to it. But we feel like the water rates that were presented previously, and I can find those and bring them back on the screen if you wanna take a look at them, Those represent a good cost analysis if we wanna keep the system running like it is for probably the next four to five years. And at that point, the model went backwards, and we started losing money. So At five years, we started losing money? Oh, well, it's not about it. But yeah. So year one, two, three, four, we're still good, but by year five, we would be losing money if we kept this rate. And, again, the rate isn't meant to be kept for that long. The biggest reason we want this rate adopted, these rate changes, is because it adds in the multifamily tiers. And so because we have many multifamily units coming online, there is an urgency to try and get a multifamily rate established to give them more equitable consideration than, you know, than just charging them the single family home rate. I think when Carl was on here,

he and I dug into it, and we we kinda know what the cost of delivery that that initial cost. We we got a good idea of what that is, and that's built into that initial first bracket. We know that a certain amount of money is static. That's what is goes into the maintenance of the of the system that we have there. And then there's the bill for the water. So but Sunrise will do that same thing for about

They said they could do it for 10 to $15,000.

Yeah. How often is it recommended that we look at our water rate? Like, is there a recommendation somewhere that says you should look at your water rates every so often, or is that just up to fleets

municipalities? The slow the flow people, they, they have, some tier structures that they have and they have a lot of information on that. And I think that will help us significantly as I recall them speaking to us. Dave, you you heard the same thing that they have, and that's why we went to tears. And and now they've they've even spoke about the high water users or abusers

of what you can do. The the recommendation is you review it as often as you need to, and that's very broad. But, essentially, whenever your water system has new developments, new needs, you're adding new sources, you're adding significant amounts of population, we should be looking at it again. So if you think about last time we updated the water rates, it was shortly after I started here. It was in 2022. We hadn't updated the water rates for, what was it, twenty years? And so People are so upset. It was it was definitely time. And at this point, with the shift we have in our zoning and the housing that's on the way, this is another great opportunity for us to be looking at these rates again and adopting a new one. And I think a good reason, maybe we adopt this rate and make some kind of note that we wanna revisit it in four years is because, yeah, we're bringing all these multifamily units online. In the next four years, we'll have much more. Our water system is gonna look very, very different in four years When we have all that infrastructure built down near Wolfpack Way, I have it on good authority. The rendezvous is probably gonna try to submit pretty soon, so we'll have new water infrastructure up on the bench. Like, our water system is going to grow a lot in the next four years. And so it makes sense that we would want to do another study, and probably next time needs to be a much more formal one.

But that's And by the way, our our city water has has been functioning very well, and we don't have our new well online yet. So everything that we have has been on our old system. We're we've got a walk through scheduled. I don't remember the date. We spoke about it last Tuesday.

Monday, our contractor is doing a final tune up and turn on of the the pump and the well to make sure that everything's working as it should. And then we could be able to sign off and close out the project.

But as long as we can feed the city with gravity fed water, that's a good thing. What's our plan once we get it approved? Are we gonna start pumping water in there? Or Only if we have to. If we can feed the city with gravity fed, when you pump uphill, that costs money. Mhmm. And so we'll just turned in the pumps on. As I recall, it take cost about $500 a month when you start them up. So

Yeah. The number one word in infrastructure is redundancy. Right? So, currently, we have our spring. We have two wells. One of the wells is offline, and it's currently not in service technically. Three wells. We'll have three. Yeah. Now we'll have three. So one of them is decommissioned. It's turned off. According to the state, it's not working. It is working, but we just turned it off because we haven't we didn't use it all for a couple years. We didn't use it at all. And so there's just extra reporting, so we turned it off. But, yeah, this new well, we anticipate we'll be using that one too. So we'll we will technically have three wells and a spring, and we hope we don't have to use them all ever. But, hopefully, now we can start some kind of rotation schedule or something so we can have the redundancy in the system. If one of the wells go down, previously, we would have been in really rough shape. Now if one goes down, we can turn it off, fix it comfortably the right way while the other well takes over for the

the hole that we would have in the system. The state isn't in a position where they could come and take that water if we don't use it that well. Right? No.

Not not if we have a plan that shows beneficial use, and we have our forty year build out plan that allocates our water to growth in the city. They can take it from people that are individuals that are not seeing are utilizing their water shares as

as they should be. Yeah. If we had specific water rights tied to our sources, we could be in danger of losing them if we weren't using them. But the way that our water rights are filed with the state is that we can pull them from multiple sources. We have it kind of as one bucket of rights, and it counts to come from the wells or the springs.

So we're we're okay. We're not in danger of the state coming and taking away any water rights. We we the term is any, each, and all. So all of our water rights are tied to all of our sources so we can move them about.

So this is a discussion item. It's obviously not for a vote. So, really, we just we as staff need to know, is that enough information to make a decision? Do you want us to go and get bids to do a formal study, or are you ready to have it brought back as an action item at the future city council meeting? I I think the work that Melissa and

Colette did was very thorough. Dave. I think we should

Dave. Have them bring it back as an action item. And I appreciate all their work too. I'll tell you we weren't that thorough with the last ones that we did. We were pretty thorough, but not as thorough as those ladies were.

I'm I'm sure you guys have noticed, but I also wanna point out part of this is that if you'll notice 43% of the users are actually getting a reduction. So it's also that we think maybe some of those that are only using three gallons a month are pardon? 3,000 gallons. Did I what did I say? 3,000 gallons are paying too much. And so this also benefits, you know, the low you the low users. Oh, it's not about conservation. Those that are single widows using very little water are still paying the same amount as those that use the full 3 thou anyway, it just benefits them a little bit.

Mayor? Sir? Couple of questions. How much or what do we I mean, how much do we get from collecting fees that go for replacement of, like, water lines? Any?

So on the base rate, if you look at that, the base rate, the the cost of delivery from Ten. At $12.16, the cost of the water is here. So this is for the maintenance of our system. Now is it enough?

Because

because we got old ones. Yeah. We've talked about that. Yeah. Like, yes. We have. And we're money after good money after bad money sometimes because we're we're just fixing. Yeah.

So that's kind of where a more formal study would help. Right now, this is just based on keeping things going the way they are. Yes. We added a couple line items to the budget to start saving a little bit of money every year for long term maintenance, but we aren't we haven't created a capital project list that we're specifically saving money for. So that would be the benefit of doing an engineering analysis as we could say, k. We wanna generate a million dollars a year that we're just gonna spend on these things. And the water rate, they could reverse engineer it and say, how much money do you want to raise? Okay. Based on how much you collect every year, this is how much you'll have to raise your water rates by to get that much money.

So that base rate may need to be, you know, $17

and that so So that's the difference is the proposal right now is kinda keeping the status quo, but anticipating

some inflationary costs and adding in the townhomes. And I would say the city has had this challenge. I I know of one road we've we've had paved over, and they've had to cut it because we had waterline breaks Four or five times. Yep. And that's because we don't have the before we pave the road, we should be analyzing the infrastructure under it.

So So in order to come up with a capital projects plan to look at our thirty and forty and however old lines and the process by which we would go about replacing those, would that require then A formal a formal engineering study. Correct?

Yeah. And you'd wanna do it that way to help justify the increase. Right now, we're we're proposing that this increase is to shift the burden and to keep the status quo. The level of analysis, we feel, is very is sufficient. If we wanted to hike up the rate in order to generate a specific amount of revenue, you would need a more formal study to do that.

How long how many more years do we go before we start spending money that we don't budget for for waterline repairs that we didn't know we're gonna need? Well, we know we need them, but we're choosing just to kinda push it down the road. I I don't know. I I kinda feel like Do that for Everest. Right. And we've done it now for you know, at some point, we need to do this. So I wonder if now is the time that you you do it and it answers both questions. What what how long would it take Sunrise to do that?

Oh, I think they said they could probably get it done in about a month.

Oh, wouldn't be a long time. The fun part is

we can't adopt the new water rate anyway for at least ninety days after you vote. Mhmm. And so we've kind of missed the peak season anyway. If we were gonna vote on this at a meeting in July, it couldn't come into effect until October. Money. And by then, we are we're looking at the low usage months anyway. And so we're not really gonna capture any of the high usage revenue this summer either way. And so if you wanted to do a study,

it yeah. We'd we could pretty much do it anytime because we've kinda missed we've missed the window for this year to And maybe it is a good time to do it. Right. We've missed the window. I I feel confident in the numbers they've given us, but I think we're going to have to justify it again in four years. Like, we'll have to do it sometime in this window. If we're gonna look at another rate increase, we're gonna need to

Really, what they now? What they've what they've analyzed is this portion.

The cost The cost. Per gallon. That's what they've looked at. But not the Not Not the base. Shape. Yeah. The other thing I would add, if we wanna do professional study, I would love to get the slow to flow people on board and get us a water conservation plan in motion as well. And that way, we can also include conservation as an element when we do That's a great the formal study. Partial.

Yeah. Well and I was gonna ask Marcus, when we look at the current number of users in each of those categories, Certainly, we use more water during the summer than the winter. Is that kind of an average across the year? Because if you you pick August versus January, those numbers are gonna vary. And and so, you know, we've got 16% uses lesser amount. Is that I believe they took an average for an entire year. For the entire year and kind of And then I guess the next question I have is there's a pretty big bump when we get over the 50,000. I mean, up to that point, we're looking at, you know, a dollar increase, you know, from the $1.83 to $2.95, and then you jump up by a couple bucks dollars. Did they I guess I'm I'm curious of where they came up with those categories. Did we include additional tiers? I thought I saw something somewhere that there were gonna be

more tiers than we currently have. I I guess I'm just wondering how they came up with I think this is more tiers than we currently have, isn't it? This I think this is two more tiers than we currently have. It's not a ton, but they added a couple more. I'm the shift comes from looking at what other communities did and trying to adopt a similar water rate. Okay. There's a lot of communities in the valley that once you hit that 50,000 and above, they do a big jump. And, usually, it's because if you look at this spreadsheet, the bulk of your users are gonna be below that. Right. And so at that point, you get into you get out of normal usage and get into above average. And so, yeah, we the people who have the most wear and tear on the pipes probably should pay more than the people who are using an average or lower than average amount of water. And so that kind of dips into maybe the forest conservation a little bit. But, yeah, that was I think that's directly from

Is it one zero six?

Oh, well, this is This this percentage. I have to open this.

Oh, if you just highlight those, it'll tell you.

Oh, will it? It's fine.

No. Just to highlight

sixteen, twenty seven, 1717.

Yeah. We've got

10% that are are 75,000

or more. 77% of the people Yeah. Are below that. Yeah.

Yeah. And that's I don't know. That's just a lot of water. I don't know how you go through 50,000 al of water.

You know? I mean, you watered the church property down here on 2nd South. And Well, I'll tell you. Last year, we

we thought we were gonna lose our grass. And since Hiram City didn't have any sort of restrictions, we decided to water, like, four or five days a week. And on my little quarter acre lot, we still didn't break five 50,000 gallons. Yeah. I mean, it's just That often you didn't? Even watering, like, five days a week, we did not break 50,000. And that's with three little kids and, you know, baths and showers and laundry. And that's every month. And that was every month. Like, our monthly bill did not break 50,000. Month.

Last, so, council, I I would ask you, do you think it's I I personally think it would be money well spent. We've missed the peak season. This would position the city better coming into the fall and the winter to be able to adopt something with the input of slow the flow and a technical analysis of our water system to see if the base rates are correct. You think I I think that it would be money well spent if we did an engineering analysis, $1,015,000 dollars.

That would I think we're gonna have to do it at some point. We either do it now and know our numbers are good, and then we evaluate it going forward or we, like you say, Dave, kick it down the road four years and do it then. You're gonna have a more expensive problem. Yeah. I wonder if now's the right time where we are where we can't implement it anyways. It's gonna help us justify it better to the public why we're doing it. Because I had so many I was running around neighborhoods today, and I had so many people tell me, I'm not in favor of the water rate. I I here, and I'm like, that's because we have high water rates very often.

Well But but there's some rumors going on that Yeah. Their water rates are gonna double. Right. Which is not true. But I think it also For some people that might. Some people that might. True.

But I think run around the wrong neighborhoods because for half of the people, they're gonna go what? They're gonna hurt, you know, a third of the people are gonna be less. Yeah. So but, again, it's a it's a messaging thing, though. Because there's Yeah. All over the place. Yeah. And it's it's a messaging that, you know, you hear something and you don't get the

Well, and just type. Hitting the pause button to do a rate study would help us connect with the slow to flow people, maybe create some educational materials, publish some things in the newsletter. I mean, if we're not gonna adopt the water rate before October anyway, we might as well take a couple extra months, do all the messaging Yeah. Adopt the rate in January

Yeah. And then it's ready to go for the summer. I think I think there's a bigger thing, and it helps the city strategically plan when when we say, oh, we're going to re asphalt a road. Well, we know that this road has this old water line underneath it, and here's the problem. Here's the history. So this is what we need to do. So I I think it lends itself into your road projects.

Yeah. There's there's kind of this this two sides of this. People complain about them going up. And so we're gonna do a study to justify that, and what's gonna what likely is gonna come back is, well, they're gonna go up even more than

what we originally thought because we need to Yeah. Have a plan to fix all this stuff. But I almost think it's a better approach because if we're gonna take the bite and raise the rates anyways, why not get them to where they need to be?

Some analysis in that versus I just Why did you pick 50,000? Or why did you pick Right. $12.15 as a base? Here's Yeah. Now we have technical I think the sooner we get on

planning for this down the road, the the better. So I would I would be in favor of People who wanna stabilize

is is if the water it's an increase to us too. Oh, yeah. So

So I I I'd be in favor of going ahead and and doing the study. You know, let's you know, at ten or fifteen, if they come back and say it's twenty five, then we'll go find somebody else. But K. We look ahead. I'd be okay with that. Replacing.

Yeah. We're not talking about that, and we need to. Yeah. We need more. Yeah. So we'll include

look at capital projects, but also replacement. Lines. The old lines. Yeah. Sunrise also does the inventory of all of our water lines, and we did as part of our lead and copper thing that we're working on with the federal government, we have an inventory that kind of shows the dates and the ages of those lines, so we'll start with that.

I I have a quick question. I've I've read last week that the letter from a patron that has expertise. Is that was that helpful, or did we use that, or how do we handle something like that? Do we I mean It's lending itself into what we're discussing right now, doing the professional analysis of Yeah.

I I sent that letter to our city staff saying, hey. This is these are the questions that our council's being asked, so we need to sit down and visit about it. And so it helped us come up with the response for you tonight and just inform what we've done. But, yeah, it's the letters the two letters that we got from mister Darnell as well as his public comment at the public hearing. He's not wrong. Nothing that he said was incorrect or not right. It's just not what we had done. And so now it does make me feel a little better that the council's supportive of doing a professional study because that just helps us make sure that we are doing things, you know, dotting the i's and crossing the t's, doing it the right way. Basically, his

executive summary of that would of his letters would be need to do what you're saying to do. Yep. Do a study. Alright. Yep.

K. I look at us on the right track. I just feel like this is good effort. I'm good. So You just made a motion that we I'll second. Can we make a motion? I'm not sure we need to make a motion. I'm just saying I got the I can't we can't vote. So here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna be out of town next week doing a little family family vacation. The week after, I will sit down to Sunrise. I will get a contract. I'll ask them to write of a contract to do the water rate study. And if it's within that 10 to 15,000,

we'll go ahead and move forward. If it's gonna be more than that, I'll bring it back to the kiddos. The flagpole on Tuesday with them next week and have it Yeah. Written for you when you come back. Perfect. Sounds great. Okay. Does anybody else have any comments or city council?

Or Oh, general. Yes. I want to. Yeah. So months ago, the safety well, probably it's been a year that we talked about the flashing speed limit signs like we have down here by the post office. You come into town, speed limit 25, it flashes that. Yeah. We talked about, you know, that help on 600 South, you know, by Legacy Park, all this speed coming down there. And so we've been talking about this kind of stuff for a while. And we've got some other places, you know, 1000 East is is a prime example of and chief was here with that the results of the study, I think, two weeks ago or or the prior time. And and there's some places around in town where there's still, you know, exceeding speed limit. So we had addressed in the safety committee that is it possible to just have residents donate a sign? Because we don't have it in the budget, you know, to put these things all over. They're pretty expensive. It's been a while since I've looked at the price of those, but I wanted to say they were $3.04, $5,000 depending on how fancy they are. But There's if they're solar, if we have power, they're Yeah. But but there's some concerns with that. And as I've talked to the staff and and Marcus a little bit, you know, does that just mean that anybody in town that you know, the the city is not providing what they want, then they just go out and purchase it and then give it to the city, and then we have to you know, where do you where do you draw the line on on how you deal with that? And, you know, we don't have a standard for saying, well, we're only gonna allow those kind of signs on collectors or, you know, on and on and on. We we don't have a process in place. Standard is federal highways.

They they have a standard on the side. There there was one on 10th West or 10th East wanting to put in change yield to four way stop Right. To the first, excuse me, the first thing that has to happen excuse me. I think and the chief has given us some of that traffic study. Mhmm. But whenever you're changing the flow with inside, the traffic, that's a council decision. If you're changing a yield to a stop, a speed from 25 to 35, what's the rationale? Do so the traffic behind it, the study behind that. So those are the things that have to happen. If somebody wants to make a donation of funds to the city and have it go towards traffic and safety, that's they can do that. But

And in this case need to have the rationale be In this case but in this case, it would it's not changing the flow. It's not changing stops for yields. It doesn't as far as I can tell, there's nothing in the manual that says where you can put a flashing sign that says No. You're going There's no what your speed limit is. And this is really what the request is. Machines. Yeah. This is this is not a Changing the traffic pattern. This is, hey. Put put some signs up on on 1000 East, you know, speed limit 25, and then it flashes you're going 25 or you're going 60. For every one of those when we're tapping into power, we pay for the power. Yeah. Right?

We pay for all of that. It's funny because when we were looking at doing the flashing crossing signs at the roundabout on 600 South that we put in last year or the year before, we said it's probably gonna be cheaper to pull power instead of just doing all solar. Turns out, it wasn't. It was cheaper to just get solar arrays for everything, and that cost us, like, $10 a sign. Pulling the power out and running it to all those things was gonna be more expensive.

Holy cow.

So, yeah, getting if the power's already there, it saves us a lot of money. But turns out

running power to those individual signs can end up costing a lot of money depending on how far away it is, how hard it is to get there. So so that would make a difference on the on the cost and where I mean, maybe they would say, well, don't put the sign on on that corner or on that street. Put it the next street down. We don't really care as long as it's in the neighborhood, but put it where there's power because it's cheaper. But still begs the question, is that something that the city wants to do? And then with what point do we say, well, we've already got a dozen of them in town and No. Not to put any It's grand like, yeah.

I'll I'll just pick on thing here. If he wanted to put a flashing 25 mile an hour sign, that's what the speed is here. I know that there is a a max a minimum distance that we can we are supposed to have between signs and the minimum distance for a yield and all that kind of stuff. But if somebody wanted to even go less than that and slower traffic, I think that's what Dave's asking to put another sign so it'll flash their speed. Is is there anything that prohibits that so it's staying within the same traffic flow if if Dame wanted to put one of those in the front of his house because people are speeding too much even though there's a 25 mile an hour here and one down by the school, he wants he thinks it'll help. Would that prohibit I think it still has to come to the council because we pay for that power connection.

Mhmm. Yeah. I, you know, I think as as long as we're adding them to existing speed limit signs, we don't have any kind of problem. If we're making new ones, then we'd have to find some kind of there's I know there's some kind of spacing requirement. I don't know what it is off the top of my head. But adding the flashing signs to an existing speed limit sign, I don't think there's any sort of problem there. I think the bigger question that Dave is trying to answer is, are we okay with people I mean, I know we're always okay with donations. Right? But how are we gonna address that with people who want to give donations to the city for signs in their neighborhood? Is that gonna cause a problem? Is that something that

we want to encourage people to do? I is that what you're asking? Yeah. Essentially, I mean, what's if So Is this Just my thought is at what point does it look like a bribe to get what you want from this city? Because wealthier neighbors might be able to dump more into something, and then other neighborhoods might feel like their neighborhood's being neglected because things are happening here and not here. Right. I just felt like it could look like It could vary. Certain areas of town because they can afford to throw some money at the city to get what they want. That's Sure. That's just one No. And that's it. Thought that came to mind when you were talking about it. I don't know that that's what it would look like, but I just think it could be perceived that way.

Couldn't the city be responsible for building and and making that decision? What I shouldn't be. But What's your input? Yeah. If it and it should be based on traffic, and we have speed reports, and we should be doing the right thing whether or not we have enough money to do it. We made a big investment last year on replacing signs. Perhaps now we can be a little more surgical about it on you know what? We we still have a speed problem here. Let's give something to flash it. The next thing we do is we have a officer's camp up there, and then we can increase our funds that way.

Maybe it's like a match program where we already budget a certain amount of money for signs. So if somebody wants to donate, get a sign in their neighborhood, Citi will match it by installing another sign somewhere else in town. Yeah. Maybe that's a way to avoid the the favoritism

Or or even we just situation. And this this discussion's been good because, I guess, what I would say is as we look at the city as a city council and input from chief and then where we put speed trailers and residents who say, hey, it's still happening and that as a city council recommendations, whatever from safety committee, but but we look and say, well, yeah, on these on these major high traffic roads that we're still exceeding speed limits, Let's put one of those flashing signs there. So it it becomes a city council action, not who has the most money in which neighborhood and they get the signs and the others don't. And we perhaps we come up with a strategy of, like, targeting the corridors where people are Right. Throughout. Yeah. It's not an issue, you know, next door to the building here, but it certainly is on a thousand east and probably four four fifty north and, you know, 6 that's sickly. So Discussion. I'll I'll get back with with the individuals I've been talking with up there. But I think what I would propose is is I'll we'll talk to safety committee and maybe come up with some some ideas that we'd want to have looked at in town where there's continued issues and and we'll get some pricing on signs and and whatever and proceed through city council decisions. Since this is a discussion

thing, what are you thinking? Wish wish we could do that. The state outlawed it. We can't send the tickets, but Yeah. Send them an invoice, see if they pay.

Maybe since we're entering a new budget year, I'm gonna assign Dania for a little homework. Maybe we can make some sort of just rough breakdown of what we budgeted for each of the different road aspects, and we can send that to the safety committee. So you know, you know, there's the specific set aside for safety committee projects. There's a specific side for council projects, but then we also have budgeted for specific things like curb, gutter, sidewalk signs. So we can get that over to you, and you can keep that in mind as we're making plans for the And we we of our signs, we ought to be able to say that

this much of the money is set aside. If we have donations, we will do a match contribution. Can't do all of it because we don't wanna have one neighborhood Yeah. You know, take all the funds. So good discussion. Thank you. Thanks for bringing that out. Time, everyone. Alright. Any other discussion?

Take Could Stephanie use the building now for storage? Is it ready?

Not until we sign off. I thought I was gonna say we gotta wait for that. Yep. We gotta do that walk through.

When do we get our assignments for city celebration?

Oh, I'll work on those. I already got I already got mine. Like a kind of cell

so I can plan what I said to you.

I wanna enter the Just keep it working. Smoke some ribs. I'm in a practice thing. You wanna come up and check out the practice? Something?

Yeah. I smoke ribs. It has to be ribs? Yeah. Sweet provide the meat. Oh, perfect. Okay.

So everybody starts the the same starting point. Yeah. Yeah.

Alright. I'd look for a motion to dismiss.

I'll make that motion for a motion to Stephanie.

It's from Tiffany. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Have you turned it off?