Hyde Park City Council Meeting 7.8.26

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Our dear kind heavenly father, as we gather here as a city council of the city of Hyde Park, we ask for guidance and direction and listening here as we discuss issues within our city and make decisions moving forward and pray that we might make those decisions that will be best for our community. We're grateful for this country that we have to live in and to enjoy the freedoms that we do, and we're thankful for those that have dedicated their lives to protecting those freedoms. We ask for blessings to be upon our citizens with the things that they need, and that we'll be mindful of those that we can help. These things we pray for in the name of thy son, Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Will you please stand and follow me in the pledge?

I pledge allegiance to the flag United States Of America and into the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. You be seated.

Gerald. And when I say the audience, thank you, Frank, for coming. Absolutely. It's a we're very blessed that way in in our country. So, the next item of business is to review the meeting minutes from July 24. And if you look at that, you'll notice that it also Does it have the joint meeting with it? It does. Yeah. Just Yes. Or before. So if you would let's let's do those as two separate items. The first one being the joint meeting, the workshop with planning commission. Dave, do you have any comments? I do not. Good work. Yes. Stephanie, no?

Gerald. Mayor, I was not in attendance, so I think I'll sustain

from voting on this. Sustain or abstain? Abstain. You you can vote if it's grammatically correct. But Oh, okay. Kurt, Tiffany.

No comments from me.

Okay. I would look for a motion to approve the the workshop session from July June June 24. Twenty fourth. There we go. June 24.

I move we accept it.

We got a motion from Kurt. Is there a second? I'll second. Second from Dave. Any discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? How about let's review the the city council meeting minutes from the same night? Does anyone have any comment?

No.

If there's no comment, I would look for a motion to approve the meeting minutes from June 24. So moved. A motion from Dave. Second. And a second from Kirk. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with me? Motion carries four zero. Is that correct? With Yeah. With Gerald abstaining because you're going to hear. The next item is to approve the agenda. I don't have any other comments to add to it if you don't counsel.

I'll move that we accept the agenda as written.

Got a motion from Stephanie. Second? I'll second. Second from Gerald. Any discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? The motion carries five zero. Now is the time we open it up to residents for comment, and we'd ask them to live with it to three minutes. And it's not on the item that's currently on the agenda. So we'll open it up,

and it says I'm on the timer? Yeah. So it's Can you just I guess if I'm the only one here, can I take six minutes? That's up to the mayor. Sit down in between. Alright. Well, I have just have two quick items here. I've got a set of photographs that I'd like to present to you. And these are on from Center Street and Main Street Intersection. And I like the when we're done, leave the leave the set with each new table over here, if you would, so that they can look at them. It went past this this past week, and that's a problem. It is a problem. And those Can't see real. That third picture, those two little two little trees were this high five years ago. And last year, they became almost impossible to see past, and this year, they're turning into real trees.

Is that the code or a police thing?

You're taking this time, mayor. Yeah. I figure if the police don't have to go to crash there and if somebody with a back coat goes down there, they'll be taken care of. I've got a minute two minutes left. What something else you want to cover, Frank? Yeah. Okay. I don't know if you guys have seen why the Hyde Park Lane is called the Velvet Highway. But I ran across this picture the other day. It was not the Velvet Highway when I was a young man. It's called the Green Velvet Highway. Ash Frank right there. Yeah. That's so cool. That is pretty cool. Wow. That's that's Wow. House from the bottom to the top. If you look down the right hand side of the road, you'll see some poles. That's the power poles. If you look down the left hand side, you'll see poles. That was the telephone lines. There were 30 lines coming into Hyde Park at that time. That's all the telephone lines there were coming into town. I don't know when this was. This was back. No. No. This goes way this goes way back, Bill, and me. This this gotta be back in the thirties, forties.

Yeah. Maybe.

Yeah. You can have you keep that. I've yeah. I wanted you guys to have those because I

We have some stoppage time for you.

I the other day, I was thinking We keep that one? Yeah. You can keep those. Okay. My dad would I don't know what it'd be like driving cows down that highway now trying to get around that roundabout.

I will I will say I was the last one to ride a horse after the cows across the highway for Dan Russ cows.

So We used to drive them. I drive a herd across the highway, and I would stop two, three cars, seven 07:30 in the morning. 04:30 in the afternoon, I'd stop two or three cars coming along the highway as my cows cross the the highway. So every every time I go down to that intersection without fail,

I think what the heck would my dad think of this intersection now? Well, at least the cows would go through the traffic circle instead of stopping when nothing else is coming.

Frank, did you did you have another intersection you wanted to discuss? I just wanted to say what a handsome man you are, and I'm glad you live with my neighborhood. Okay. Can that be part of the record? Can that be part of the minutes?

Frank, you are giving this to us also? Oh, we'd love to hang this up.

Thank you. Thank you. Gerald, did you make a motion on his saying that you're a good man? Yeah. Yes. You can't do that. Yeah.

You did. You kept it under time. Yeah. You did good.

I think, technically, you have two items, so you had done that.

Well, Frank, it's it's good to see you here. Do we have any other comment for the public input? Having no other public here, and Frank took both of his, we'll close the public input. Chief, on that, did you see the intersection? I Is is that, like

Yeah. Yeah. It's on Center And Main Corner.

Look at that. And I would suggest that it's probably not the only intersection in town where we have fast stops on similar issues.

Right? We and we have many sidewalks that have bushes hanging out There's the Into the sidewalk. I feel like I need to go walking with my clippers in my pocket.

I used to take my cows around. If we pick blocks, we put around the block and trim the trees away from the

street so that I can actually walk down the street and push when I block it. Yeah.

So I know there's a a code requirement for the intersection being able to have, like, visibility, but I don't know if that

And the requirement, I think, on corner lots is pretty significant. Yeah. So it would be more than just these two trees. It's thirty, thirty five feet each way. Yeah. Yeah. And so Cool. Alright.

We'll get our business portion. Marcus, do you have anything?

I'm in favor of Yeah. Let's let's do that. Okay. Have you received any proposals back yet?

No. I've had lots of questions. K. Lots of inquiries, lots of interest, but I have not received any proposals yet. Okay.

I do. I had my, recap for June that I was gonna present as well as, this weekend with the July fourth fireworks that I was gonna Mhmm. Update everybody on. I'll try to be quick with it. For June, the department had 548 calls, that came in. Out of that, 409 were in North Logan and a 139 were in Hyde Park. So it worked out to be about 25% of the calls were Hyde Park type calls of that 25% or of that one hundred and thirty nine fifty eight of those were non priority type calls. So your animal loss, animal problems, assist and assist, the vehicle ban abandoned, and they've been inspections. That's what that non priority worked out to be 4041% basically of that 139. The rest of the calls were priority calls, 58% of them. And as you look down through, our highest numbers of those were your accident, property damage and then your alarm intrusions our intrusion alarms on that that we responded to. We did have some other pretty serious calls this month. We had a rape investigation that we're working on that. We had another sex offense that we were working. We had a automobile theft and then several medicals as you look down through that list there that we handled. Wanted to point out to the citations. So in addition to the 548 calls, the department had 315 traffic stops that they made between North Logan and Hyde Park. For Hyde Park, we had 24 citations or stops that resulted in citations and 51 of those 51 additional stops resulted in warnings. So for a total of 75 stops out of that three fifteen. I also was curious to see where we stand as far as apartment with criminal arrests. So in 2025, we had two fifty seven criminal arrests that the department made. So your domestic violence, your thefts, your trespassing, your DUIs, your drugs, your rape, your sex offenses, those things all count as the criminal offenses. Through the end of June this year, we're at 104. So slightly lower than what we were last year on that, but still pretty much in that same area. We're keeping track pretty much on that. So that's where we're sitting with that. By way of update as well, coming up in August, we start with our deer abatement program again. We have the trap that arrived today, actually. So we have two more on order. The first one we'd ordered before we talked, and it is arrived so we can get that set up. We need to set up a a time with Mark where we can figure out exactly where we're gonna put that and so we can have that in place August 1 to to start. Do we need to get a new list of volunteers,

or we just go from the list we gave you?

We'll probably just go from the list that we have. We we had it was a it was a big list Okay. On that. So we're seeing progress with that. Like I said, with the trap that we're talking about, I think that we'll actually see the progress this year on that and and actually be able to thin that herd

down. So When can we start trapping?

August 1. August 1. Yep. And and do we have how many we can take? So over the course of three years, we have 120 that we can take. So last year, we weren't able to take any on that. So for two years now, we can we can take 60 this year, 60 next, or however that falls in. We can take all of them this year. Yep. We can't take more than 120, though, on that. That's what our limit is from the TWN. Take one twenty, then it'll turn into

That's what I mean. So big mass.

Of how many there there are? Is there anybody guessing?

When we were putting this together, it'd be two years ago now on that. Their estimate was lower than what we were thinking. They were thinking less than 200 on there. I've got plenty to live, you know, within half a block of where I am. I've counted them walk by my yard. Just partially where that limit came from of the one twenty. That was their numbers that they put together and said, this is what we'll allow. Keep in mind, this is to thin the herd for Hyde Park and to and for North Logan.

Right.

So this is the combined city. Third thing. So Yeah. One twenty between the two cities. Yep.

So we're on top of it. We'll keep keep everybody up to date on when that happens, but at least we have some of the equipment. We have two more traps that are on order. They take several weeks to build on that, but they have been ordered, and they should be here by August

August one from what we're being told. Does it intend to put both of them down at Mark's? We've well,

we have three that we're gonna implement this year Okay. On that. So whether we put the two at at Mark's or whether we put

you know, spread it out, I I don't know just yet. On that. But there's probably enough marks to put all three there, to be honest. Yeah. And whatever's there probably impacts both cities. I'm sure. I mean, that's a good location to have an impact on both North Logan and do. They migrate back and forth between the two. Rather than on the outskirts of the north or south boundary of one of the cities. So Yep. Exactly.

As far as recap with this weekend, this last weekend from we're looking specifically from July 2 until July 5 with the fireworks span. North Logan had a no fireworks span, and we had a part a partial in that restricted area. Nothing West of 200 West and nothing East of 100 East on that. So during those couple of days, Hyde Park had six calls that that our department handled. Four of those calls ended up being people that were seeing the fireworks go off and they approved that Even they approved it. Yeah. The fireworks show on that. One of those was outside the the restricted area which resulted in a citation. And one of those was reported a suspect in a truck that had set off an aerial and then took off. We weren't able to get a plate. Weren't able to apprehend that guy. So the four approved one citation out of that four Hyde Park and one unknown. Three additional calls were reported in North Logan. So out of that three, one resulted in a citation. One resulted in a warrant arrest on that. So we end up arresting that person involved with with shooting that off there. And then one, saw the fireworks in the approved zone. So that would have been the second show Yeah. That he was concerned about. But it was in that approved zone. And so really you have the one citation and the one arrest in North Logan with that. So calmer than it was in years past on that, still concerning with people shooting off fireworks. So

that's that's what I have for you. Thank you. I was just gonna say, mayor, I know this is on our agenda for a little later discussion, but it's come to my attention and I think the attention of the city council that fireworks by state code doesn't include sparklers, poppers, snakes, those kinds of things. And and that's the way when I looked at it, I understand it. And so I guess my question is when we say no fireworks outside of that zone, some people are gonna say, well, that's that's everything. That's you can't do anything. And others who done some homework are gonna say, well, I can do sparklers in my driveway. And, you know, some of these little poppers and things because they are they don't fall within the Utah code definition of explosive device or fireworks. So I think that's what's going

on the citation from Hyde Park. It was sparklers or something. And Yeah. And that that will be probably if that's the case, it will be dismissed. But Okay. And I don't know. I haven't looked into it. Governor's order that he put out,

I believe, said anything and sparklers that were longer than 12 inches were illegal. Sparklers under that 12 inches would have been allowed on that. But there's also a caveat with that where the cities can restrict and go tighter than that particular restriction than the governor's order and according to whatever is recommended by the local fire enterprises or institutions.

Well, I'll I'll bring it up as we talk Okay. Later. Anything else, chief?

Nope. That's that's the update that I had. Very glad that it was

a call on July 4, and we're gonna be discussing fireworks later on again. So from from me, I know the next couple of meetings, we've got some full agendas. And so please be aware we've got a lot of the things happening on July twenty nine Twenty second. Twenty second and then August 12. We got a lot to cover both those days. So be watching the box to to be seeing those. Other than that, we'll move on to the next item. Consider ordinance twenty twenty six dash 12 with ordinance establishing a temporary land use regulation imposing a hundred and eighty day moratorium on specified landscaping and related development due to drought conditions. What I'm really wanting to see if the council would consider is a landscape moratorium because if people put in sod right now, it has to use a lot of water. Mhmm. And we're not in a dire strait for water, but I I just I'm wanting to look into what if we have a problem next spring too. So think proactively, and that's what that is about. So we have to have a public hearing on that. No?

as I looked at it, I guess my question is, what does this really look like? Because our code says that developers will have education programs and subdivisions for water wise stuff. Are we doing that even, that when people come in to sign up for utilities, if that's when they're told some things about landscaping and stuff. And I'm thinking maybe that's too late because they've already ordered stuff. I guess my question, what what does this really look like? And maybe if the concern is sod, then maybe it ought to address that specifically. But if someone's wanting to put, you know, gravel, chips, all this water wise kinds of things that we ask for in the code and say, hey. I'll put in my sod next spring. I mean

Last thing I knew, water,

gravel, and chips don't require water. Well, that's what I'm saying is that if if they were to do everything in their landscape minus whatever it is, the the 45%, the 50% front and side yard lawn, if they did everything else, wouldn't we kinda want that rather than just weeds growing in the new around the new yard for the next month? You have to find chips chips and rocks, or you're putting in bushes that also planting during the heat is a really bad idea. Well So True. But that's their choice if they wanna do it. I mean, that's all I'm saying, mayor, is that I get the the sod part of it if you're trying to put it inside right now, but the rest of the landscaping

But this does say specified landscaping.

So it's

you know, there's there's certain requirements that the city has that you have to have your landscaping in within a I don't believe the city any city holds a

a new house builder, homeowner hand in in that. It's in our code, the waterways, principles. You know, all of those things are out there. I don't believe the cities went up some measure to see that new houses are put in too much thought either. I I don't know that the city is at the point where we've ever approved a landscape design that's residential. So if if the council wants to do this, they you know, we can continue and refine it. If you want to go with legal, and it's your option.

One one thing I just thinking of, we have two schools with big grassy areas. They're gonna I don't know at what point they're gonna

they're gonna plant seed or or start. Have secondary, but What's that? Both of them have secondary. Yeah. Whether or not they're good to use secondary.

Remind me, does this ordinance, they can put it in if they have secondary?

It really doesn't define

I don't think it addresses

secondary. It addresses things it says, like, the this paragraph right here, city council finds that mitigating the drought's impact on the city's water system and preventing further nonessential water usage that may stretch damage or overwhelm the city's water system is a compelling counter railing public interest. So it's all about things that could put a stress on the city's system. It does not address things that may stress secondary water system not owned or maintained by the city.

Look. I think that's an important to help people understand that now is not the time to put in sod or extensive landscaping.

Marcus, do we able to determine the number of properties that would maybe be doing yard work?

I couldn't get an exact number. Okay. But, essentially, if

if, again, we're following the code, which we tend to think that maybe this is what the old town field of Hyde Park is, is that we write codes and we we ignore them and do whatever we wanna do. I I don't agree with that. But this, I think, would generally apply only to new construction. Yeah. I mean, so the numbers that we're talking about is all you have to do is kinda take a look at how many building permits we have approved in the last year. And at some point, they ought to be in the process of finishing those and selling those and owners coming in and now on the landscape. So, I mean, it's whatever that number is, I it's probably in the thirties, forties, fifties. Well, let me get about 40 a year. Yeah. Four yeah. I was gonna say 35, 40 a year. And if you do it for a hundred and eighty days

and the planting sees hundred and eighty day puts it out, you know, to spring, so or winter. So you're actually enacting a moratorium for the next three months, ninety days, because nobody put saw it in the November. So if you put that out there, you you might affect a whole bunch of 10 homes. But

Well, and if we need to in the spring, we can revisit this. If we have another winter, like, we did.

Yeah.

And I guess as I read that and kinda going back to your comment earlier, mayor, do we as a city approve new landscaping? Do we issue permits? I mean, I took I I took out all my side a couple of years ago in my front yard and it's wood chips and. Landscaping and only only for commercial and industrial. So, I guess my point is, is that. I didn't know I needed to come in and have that approved by the city and. Does anybody know that? And if we don't require it, then

And that's what it's got. Yes. I Well give you my address. You can come by and cite me if you're not getting approval. We we do not have a requirement what it looks like, Marcus. We do not have a requirement for single family homes to have a landscaping permit. That's not something that we require in our code. In our landscaping codes,

So council at that time are we saying this would only apply to commercial? And this means that Gateway won't be putting in any landscaping around the pickleball courts until next spring.

No. This would apply for all of our residential because Yeah. Unless you're on a secondary water system, which we don't govern. Right.

It would And that's kind of my question, mayor, is what does this really look like? We don't require anybody to do it now. There's a bunch of shoulds, and we're gonna say, well, we're not gonna approve. We never have. We don't issue permits for residential. We don't have to authorize their new landscaping. So is this something new and different?

When they You know? What it would look like when somebody's issued a building permit, they'd also get a notice that there's a moratorium in a factory Okay. Landscape. That's how you notify the builder who's the contractor for the homeowner.

Why 180?

Because that's what the state allows. The by statute, any the temporary land use regulation can go up to a hundred and eighty days. Yeah. For three months,

I think they can put it sawed in

with less impact on our water. Well, in in three months, you know, we'd be getting into that fall late fall. They might do it then, but the the hundred and eighty days, the state requires that whatever the reason we enacted a moratorium, we have to have a plan devised to to come out of that moratorium. There are quantifiable things that only that allow you to enact moratorium. And perhaps that's a question for League of Cities too that they might could help us. Is this a

So so if we if we go a 180, we're pushing it into next year, like you said. Yep. What did what did we gain by stopping a few from doing it now? I I guess that's my You you gain

not stressing our current aquifer. Well, but next spring, it it And you may end up have to re Of course. You may yeah. You could. Or we could get 300 inches of snow. We don't Yeah. It it's That's the gamble. I just

Yeah. If we have 30 this year and 30 next year and the 30 this year, it gets pushed. So I I kinda like the idea of, like, in the fall, it's a good time to plant, and it's not as hot. Maybe not. I don't know. Maybe we just need to look at this can't mandate that, can we? That's what I think.

The only way we can do it is by saying that you only get a water two days a week. And if you plant new saw, that's gonna burn. And and and enforce it. If we if we it's my recommendation in the newsletter that two days a week. You have to pass something that says this is what it is and give it the teeth so it could be enforced. So maybe maybe the slow the flow people have something that we can get, but and they send us something back on an agreement, and we need to get moving with them. Should we continue talking about, I think you need to talk about water Yeah. But not taking action on this tonight.

I I I would feel comfortable just kind of with I could even help on some research or whatever and try to feel a little more informed before we move forward on this.

Okay. So I just want me to get it in your forefront if Okay. Is that motion since there's an item on there, motion dies with no move to continue this? Well, continue means it'll be brought back up as a moratorium, but it can Well, I guess I It it can die with no motion, and then a a moratorium doesn't come up, but watcher should.

Question four. If if we proceed with this not sure how to ask this. Can we it'll it'll if we table it, it comes back this very one? No.

It comes back as We're gonna come back at this amend it some way.

If we pass that, does that take care of this? I I think it does. Well, I think that's a whole took twice about putting sod in if I can only water twice when it's 90 degrees to a 100. I think that has to be a different resolution

because that wasn't advertised in this on the Let's just look at that, and that's Just a suggestion.

And to me, that makes more sense because that impacts residents across the board and not the 30 or 40 people who are ready to do their landscaping and their new construction this summer and fall. They're probably not gonna put new sod in as you stated if they can only water a couple times a week, but it still allows them to put in water wise plants and, you know, the tree that trees that they may wanna have, you know, with minimal watering. I mean, watering some water wise plants versus watering, you know, 10,000 square feet of sod is you know, those are two different I mean, that's helps it ends.

So what what do we want to distinguish between

city water and canal water? You see? We already have this is only I don't think we have a say in canal water. Canal water is Yeah. Is a whole different issue. We have no control over that. When it says the city water system that's talking

only us. And, Marcus, I'm looking again. We looked earlier. Change your fuel again, so I don't know how many what's our GPM?

How's that? And and I appreciate that, Mary. I think that's good. I also think Gerald had a good point earlier if we just tell the people this fall or this summer. Well, you can do it next year, and now we have twice as many people next year, and year. Maybe it's even worse next year, you know, and and we just how long do we keep rolling this? And you can only have a moratorium for so long that So to move this, I think

what I'm hearing is the council would like more input from perhaps slow the flow people. Perhaps somebody from the league might have something. We ought to research what other cities have done, and if the governor's water declaration helps cover us legally, and we will have that come up for discretion next

time. That that sounds that that's not North Logan, they have a mandatory twice Yep. Week, don't they? Yep. Yeah. So it wouldn't be like we'd be the only ones in town, you know, in the valley doing this kind of thing. Right.

K. So a motion to table it with those items?

Yeah. I would make that motion for sure. Got motion? That we can relook at it. What's that again? Got motion from Daryl and a second from Kurt.

More discussion?

Yes. Okay. By tabling it, does that allow us to make changes as we desire to this? Yes.

As long as it's advertised with those changes, I think. Yeah. So it'd still be a a moratorium.

Yeah. So

any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any with opposed with nay. Motion carried five zero. The next item is to consider the option for fireworks remainder of the year. The governor's fireworks ban was for '2 through July 5.

Well, I I see in there Yeah. Paragraph seven that, you know, they're gonna relook this again for July 22 through the twenty fifth. Mhmm. And so, you know, whatever decision we make tonight could be overruled and or you know? So The chatter is they're gonna be doing the same thing. I see. Yeah. What they allowed on the last one

is the governor banned them outright for state properties and unincorporated counties. Then he allowed cities, if they had safe areas, to declare those, and they have to be sent into the state if they have a declared area for fireworks. It's only gonna get hotter and drier. The last one, I came up with what the fire chief, Smithfield fire chief Jeremy said, leaning more towards going even more conservative and saying it exempt cities from their fireworks, but no discharge of any fireworks in the city. It's it's gonna be hotter and drier.

And and with that, do we include sparklers of any length?

As defined by the state. Let the state define what fireworks are. And as the state says

But all they did is on my website.

So So all all I'm asking is on this, if they come out with something, which they likely will, rather than giving the city latitude, I'm more in line with banning outright. North Logan had a ban because they have Logan City fire chief. Logan City had the ban, so North Logan had it. And I'm even if our fire chief said you could have the same safe zone, hotter and drier. I'm just worried about that.

Well, map map might have been confusing to some. I know I looked at it, and addresses seem to be a little confusing. I was not sure if they were county addresses or if it was High Park City addresses.

Well, the map when we identified property in High Park I assume it is.

So I I'm okay with that, mayor. I mean, I kinda joke that there weren't any bombs bursting in there when those pioneers rolled into the valley and, you know, on the twenty fourth. And thank Utah's the only state that says we've got, you know, two weeks of of July that we do fireworks and Mhmm. You know? So

So and this wouldn't affect, like, New Year's.

Right? No. Not yet. Wouldn't affect what? New Year's?

No. It's hot dry. We'll we'll talk about that in December. It may not be hot, but it could be dry.

So if I may real quick, Mary Sure. Wire sparklers under 12 inches in length are not considered fireworks in Utah. They're considered an exempt explosive. With that anything over 12 inches is. So that's what you're talking about here with governor's order Yeah. On that. So I guess that's a good point. Yeah. 12 inches or less would be allowed

more. Do do they even sell them that short? They do. They they sell some really big ones under Well, I know they sell the big ones. I bought the shortest for my grandkids that we did, and we live in a safe zone, by the way. So, you know, I was I was okay there. Just don't have chief come by at my place. So But, you know, they were, yeah, they were the shortest little things. But When you look at that same consideration, though, my kids, when they have that sparkler,

they're doing this with them all over. And if you're in an area right next to the hillside with that, it's as dangerous, if not more than your area that you're going off. So that's that's my 2¢ worth is

But it's controllable by an adult who says, don't run out in the dry grass. You cannot If you get a little rocket once you fire them.

So it comes down to the the adults are there. I I talked to some girls this weekend, actually, on the fourth. I when I went up to pick up my boy, they had four girls out in the parking lot ready to shoot out the fireworks. No adults. And I'm like, no. Not doing that because of that. So that's what it comes down to. If the adults are there and monitoring it, it's a different story. If they're not, I think, is as dangerous Oh, oh, I would agree. I would agree, chief. Yeah. It's it's fire. Yeah.

So the council okay with if we come out in the outbreak, ban them? You could see if Tiffany wants to chime in.

Yeah. I think it's for me, I think it's a ban on everything. That's just my stance just this year. I think it's easier to enforce, and I would just think then it's clear to everyone it's everything is banned.

I know I heard

fireworks going off between my house and your house over the 4th. So

There were for sure fireworks going off up closer to my house. Is that a motion, Tiffany?

Yeah.

Sure. I'll make that motion. I'll leave them the fireworks. I'll be the bad guy.

We don't need the motion. I just want to I didn't have a lot of time on the last one. So and the governor gave the mayor the authority to do it, but I just want to read it by you this sign.

I I think it's good, and we can just encourage people to save them for the New Year's Eve.

Yeah. It's hard to vote against something like that because of safety. If I voted again or for, that's one thing being voted against it, and then we have a fire. It doesn't make me look very good. I I I couldn't support it because of our conditions and Okay.

I would support a citywide.

I I support the mayor. We're supporting a ban. Right. You would vote you would be a favor of it. Yes. Okay.

Okay. I think you gotta I've seen too many of those big ones tip sideways and go off, and you cannot control There's any

little bees that could go a different direction too.

Yeah. Okay.

Is that is that a lot different for you as a police force than what you had over the fourth? So didn't we do the same thing?

Didn't we do do the same thing? A safe zone

through Hyde Park. Are we still gonna have a safe zone? No. No. I think we're saying the mayor's asking what's going on right now. So that puts a cut and dry, didn't it? Yeah. And and,

obviously, we'd have the fire chief have his input, but we can we can just say no on the our our safe zone on the 1st West here lined up with Smithfields. There are six or or, excuse me, 1st East lined up with their 6th East. That's that's how Jeremy and I said, you know, we looked at it from north to south and figured that inside the city boundaries, it was very green and plush at this time, but it's gonna be you know, couple weeks from now, we're gonna have drier conditions. Alright. We'll we'll look to take order, and I'm sure the governor will come up with something really late. But we'll be able to take those forward actions

immediately. Need to get it out again second time to reemphasize where we're at and why and

Well Well, I think people will be watching for it too.

Yeah. Because it it really, it's his his band that gave me the authority to do that, but having your Bless you. On it is better so we could react quicker this next time. Alright. The next item is any city business.

Okay. Yep. I'd be open till the twenty fourth or twenty fifth.

Does Wednesday the or Tuesday the twenty fifth work?

Works fine.

I think that would work. Does

you have there there's a tax meeting on the twenty sixth, and it has to be that only that that that for that meeting. So regular city council, are you open to having another meeting on the twenty fifth?

I would be in favor of another meeting at all. Necessary.

No. Yeah.

Good. Okay. Carol, are you good? Yeah. I'll put it down here as and protect that. So Meeting for '25

and '26.

Can can you show us the July calendar?

Yeah. Go back.

And while we're before we go there, if I can, on the twenty sixth, that didn't show on your calendar, but that's when we would typically have our fourth Wednesday

work session. So Right. We can't do that either. That would be canceled. So we'd have to do that

another day? And we'll do that on two on the Tuesday prior if we feel like we need to have a Mhmm. Work session. Or we could do it before a planning commission meeting

because that's our general plan work session. We could do it pretty much anytime. What's happening on the twenty second again? That's the day we're gonna be selecting the consultant to do our parks and trails study, and we have a few other things happening.

I've I've handed out assignments. So Good. I've got one menu on to you and Craig.

Tiffany, do you have anything on the front porch?

Our next event will be the second Thursday of August, and we're doing a summer social. We're gonna have, like, a a lunch, a late lunch, and some I don't know if they're good to know you guys, but interactive type things for people to do. Yes. That's right. So we'd like everybody to come next can.

Who's winning?

Sorry. What we're we're driving to Montana to a to a baseball tournament. So I'll know tomorrow. Alright.

If council has any other comment.

I just wanted to mention the the planning commission has done a lot of good work looking at updating some of our zones, especially looking at the RT and the mixed use. Yeah. So I don't know if all that's gonna be captured in minutes, but I know that they're having some good discussions along that line, and I don't know at what point they'll be coming to us. I don't know if there's anything more, Marcus, that we need to say about that, but we need to

So all the code updates that we had talked about, the city council wants to do for all of our zoning with the help of our intern who's been he's been great. Yeah. We've got him on a little schedule now. So the plan is every planning commission meeting will have two public hearings and two discussion items, and that will start at the next meeting. So it'll be two public hearings to discuss new ordinances. And right after the planning commission finishes those, they'll start working on the next two. Will he

he talked to he he's awesome. It's gonna be Yeah. I just wanna make sure that that's gonna move forward into us and may get added to these busy meetings we have over the next couple months. And say, I think they're doing a lot of good things. One of the things that they talked about also over the last month or so is why they are even part of the review on The review development agreements because it's essentially a legislative action, and that's not what they're there for. They're to help us plan and, you know, all the rest of it. So I don't know, mayor, how that gets to us. Well, that that would be a change.

The the development agreements well, our public hearings are in the planning commission. We would have to specify that one specifically to be at the city council level. And so

Okay. And I just in the Herald Journal the other day that some other cities are putting a moratorium on data centers. Do we need to do something like that? Not necessarily.

I don't really have anybody banging down our door to build a data center. But if that's something you wanted to do, we could look into it. We're hoping that with the update to our land use table that we can kind of head that off before it becomes an issue.

Yeah. And I was just gonna say as I interact with the staff and attend some of the development review committee meetings that and I saw it happen in the this past week at the front window with with one of our staff that seems to me there's a lot of people who aren't following the code or they don't like the code. And so if they don't like the answer that they're given from staff from our municipal code, they wanna talk to somebody else about it. And I suspect a lot of that ends up with the mayor,

and I don't think it's right that the mayor has to deal with this stuff all the time. And some of it, I I there's nothing I can do about it because I'm not in that

line of decisions. Right. So I I I guess and I I see it. It seems like week after week where we, to some degree, the last couple weeks, involve the visionary and and development agreement stuff that I just I would hope that as a city council that we would have the backs of our staff when they're enforcing the codes. And at some point, I don't know how it works, but maybe they just need to say, we'll call Dave Fowles on the city council or any one of us. Right? Because they're the ones that can change the code and because I just see the hours and hours Yeah. That our residents are paying our staff to go round and round and over and over again with the same thing. When I sit in these DRC meetings and it's the same thing that they showed before and there's requirements in there and then there's timelines, and then they get all in a huff, and why aren't you doing this and that? And they think they need to go to the top of the line. And I just I'm tired of hearing that and seeing that. I think we have businesses out there that are running businesses that aren't in compliance with our code.

Yeah. They didn't get the answer they want from from the front office, and so they're gonna go to McHale, then Marcus and me and and try and wear us down to get the answer they want. They say the phrase,

it doesn't pencil.

Sure. Yeah. It doesn't pencil.

So, anyway, I just I would from what I see, I would I wanna just say that I think our staff is doing a great job. They're doing what they can do Yep. To enforce the code, but, you know, there have been times and places where in other cities, perhaps, where, you know, if you just you know, the squeaky wheel gets the grease and and, you know, they're in there demanding phone numbers so they can call somebody over and over again. I saw Brett the other day, phone call after phone call from people.

From the same person. What's that? From the same person. From the same person.

You know? And so, anyway, I just wanna They they do Great. Say that the our staff's doing a great job, the best they can do, and and it and it's upon us as a city council if we need to change some stuff. We need to take that responsibility, and we need to do our homework and make the changes that need to be made if they need to be made. And if not, we need to

pull our full weight behind what we have in our staff. I agree with you, but I'm one vote, and I can't vote unless it's on the agenda. Right. And and So I think we need to remember that. We can vote. I I agree with you, but I I appreciate our staff, and they're doing a great job. But it comes to us if we know where where the business, we can vote no on it. And I've recently heard I don't have a problem with that. That some cities aren't doing development agreements.

And now all the time that we've spent on development agreements, I'm kind of thinking maybe that's not a bad idea to say not to say that our codes are perfect because I've got some issues with, you know, our transitions, you know, our presidential transition. And and so I think maybe development agreements are okay to some degree because we didn't get it quite right, but, generally, it's it's already in writing and just follow what it is that the city is requiring for that particular, you know, land use. And, anyway, thank thank thank you for listening. I'm done, mayor. Have a great week.

But if we do need to protect Brett from numerous phone calls and

Well, and Marcus and Miguel and the mayor and everybody. That that's part of dealing with the public.

That's that's that is part of the job. We're figuring it out. You know, you're right. We don't have perfect we don't have perfect codes, and there's places we can improve, and we're we're welcome to do that. Development agreements are permitted by state code, but we should should

be Should be the exception, not the rule. There you go. Yeah.

And Yeah. Okay. Yep. Anyway, thank you. I have some questions. K. High park days, fireworks. Do we have more?

Do we have more? We haven't used any of ours. So Lou was fired off earlier

in July

On the second? On the second? That was a person in the valley that wanted that has license and is certified to handle them. And he would do them at his residence, but he couldn't. So he asked if it could be a city celebration for the fourth. Okay. So it was all his

his expense. The city did not spend anything on that. Well and and that's the other question I have. I read somewhere someone's mad that we're spending their money. All of the fireworks we've done is doing We haven't we haven't done any. Correct? Yeah. They're doing that. I want to make sure that people know that. Not only was the second donated, but Stephanie So the city the hometown James ones are sponsored by Cash Valley Bank. So, again, no money out of taxpayers. What do they get their information?

If they don't know it, they make it up. They assume the worst. Yeah. And then spread it around. That's okay. That's okay. And, you know, if they want to know that we're sure to share with the market, shared with the individual that was really upset, then we didn't spend any money. So and it's not taxpayer funds that are spending on the celebration. We have sponsors that are doing things. So

But we could spend money on getting the stockings out of The United States.

Just kidding. It's a hey. Hey. That was the email that we got. Mayor

mayor, I lied. I've got one more thing.

Sorry. You This issue is still

Oh, you're not get go for it, Kirk. I thought maybe you were down there. Oh, keep going. Keep going. I've been sitting here waiting for you to talk all night, Kirk.

Alright. That just came out. So I Quick quick quick quick quick. The route we start up here where we always do goes straight down and down to the church. Correct? Yep. What time?

You need 09:30. I put that on your paper. Oh, okay. I didn't

parade? Great. Yeah. Oh, okay. I didn't read all that. K.

Alright. Dave, you use all your trump card to go ahead.

I'll swing out here and take three minutes if we can. We've got two schools that are gonna start here in town in a couple of months. I saw an email this afternoon. Somebody wants to come and talk about safe routes. Amy wants to come and talk safe routes. Asking her for two months. Yeah. But I think I saw that this afternoon, wants to come in a couple weeks and and present that. Haven't heard anything about the middle school. As big a concern as that is, I'm also aware that, you know, at the middle school, they they built a road down there. We're gonna accept utilities, roads, and whatever it is, wherever the line breaks between school property and our property, we're gonna take responsibility for roads and and all those other utilities. And and I know you've reached out and the staff reached out. I I just am concerned, mayor, that that the school district has not been acting in good faith with the city, that we just don't have a clue what they're doing and and the timing and their their slow responses to requests. I would just request that maybe you have a little sit down with the superintendent or or something to fix this because I I just kinda you know, the small town of Hyde Park, we're getting two schools coming on, and what do we know about it? We haven't had one person from the school district stand in front of this council and say a stinking word in the last year about it. Right.

Marcus, let's you and I Let's work together for me to send something to superintendent McKee because I don't want to cross that boundary of Mhmm. Right now, we have some ongoing discussions legally with the school district. But this is something else, I think, that needs to come to the city. So I I agree with you with everything you said from needing somebody here to not dealing with Hyde Park in good faith. I agree with all of that. So I will now I'm done.

Can I ask a question, mayor, about the schools? Who because of who they have as their inspectors, who grants them their occupancy?

So the school district gets their building permits directly from the state of Utah. Cache County building department is doing all the inspections on the school. I believe they still get the CFO issued from the state after the county gives it the final seal of approval. I'm pretty sure that's how it works. But we get to inspect our utilities. Yeah. We're that's one of the things we're having a little struggle with right now. But, yeah, we're we're gonna be doing our best to get those roads and utilities inspected before we adopt them as public infrastructure. Mhmm. A lot of them are buried now. So Okay. We're just gonna see what we can find.

I have one more thing. We is it too late to put something in in the budget? I just think we need to caulk this patio over here to preserve the cement. Caulk it. Caulk it. Which one? Caulking is coming out on this west patio

down to Get it get it sealed or something. And caulked. Yes. On the joints.

Yeah. So we wouldn't necessarily need to change the budget. They keep mentioning it to some people, and they just brush me off. K. But it doesn't need to be done. Okay. Bill Cochran was coming up.

Alright. If there's nothing else, I'd look for a motion from the council. I'll make a motion that we go home. Got a motion to leave. Is there a second? Second. Second from Kurt. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye.