Hyde Park City Council Meeting 7.22.2026

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Don't want that to disrupt us.

Alright.

Want to welcome you to our July 22 City Council meeting. Appreciate everyone coming and, partaking in the the city government. The first item of business would be we'll turn it over to council member David Vowles for pledge and or prayer and pledge or thought.

I'll offer a a prayer. Father in heaven, we thank thee for the blessings we enjoy, the blessings of this wonderful community which we happen to live in. We are grateful for the founders of the city, those pioneers and settlers who gave so much and have are continue to be a good foundation, a great foundation for the residents. We're grateful for their many posterity who continue to form a a great group of residents here, and we're grateful for those who are here in attendance this evening. We pray as we meet and as we consult and converse as a city council that we can be that we can remember those who are here and those who are not here and those whom we represent today and will for decades to come as we consider the business of Hyde Park City. We are grateful for those who serve on our city staff. We are grateful for our law enforcement, for our fire protection, for these good men and women who who serve so selflessly our community. We are grateful for the many volunteers in our community. We are grateful for our good mayor, Mayor Cox. We pray a blessing on him with his health concerns. We're grateful for his good wife, Janet, and and her support, him and their family and our community. And pray now again that that would be with us this evening, that we can be good listeners, that we can consider well and wisely, those things that matter to the future of our community. We pray in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Would you please follow me in pledge of allegiance to the flag that represents our great nation? I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, the indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you, Dave. I appreciate that. Appreciate the thoughts and prayers. I I would say I'm I'm gonna throw a thought in here that I once heard

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a speech by Brent Brent's wife. Jenna, what was Brent's wife from North Logan North Ogden? Mayor of North Ogden, his wife. North Ogden, different city. Taylor. Taylor. Brent Taylor's wife, and I can't remember her first name. What is it? Betty. She she spoke once about elected people doing their jobs. And a lot of times, we're here with one or two people in the room. And we shouldn't take that as anybody not caring or people being ambivalent to what's going on in the city. They have you in the city council to make good and informed decisions. Not necessarily everyone's gonna agree with that, but they put you in here for that responsibility. And I I hope that that can always be remembered even if you have a meeting just by yourselves. It's for the good and the betterment of the community. The next item is acceptance of the minutes from July 8. Kurt, do you have any comments? Nope.

Carol? No comments. Tiffany? None for me.

Stephanie. I sent mine in. Yeah. No.

And were they her comments represented in what's current? Do you know?

Were they updated?

Yeah.

Let me hurry and look.

Did it take does does it change the context?

No.

Just k. This is spelled under my name. But,

Gerald, your name was spelled wrong.

Gerald,

let's just quickly see. That. It's okay. Mine mine was in one instance too, but we know we know who we're talking about, so I'm okay with that. You're now Gerlod.

I've had worse. You guys seem to be calling worse. Alright. Having no other comments as much as we spell Gerlaug correctly, I'd look for a motion to approve the minutes from July 8. I'll motion we approve the minutes. Okay. The motion from Tiffany is a sec and a second from Stephanie. Any more discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Motion carries five zero. Next item is to approve the agenda that we have before us right now. I have nothing to change myself. And if we have no other changes, I would look for a motion. So moved. Got a motion from Kurt. Is there a second? Second. Second from Gerald. Any more discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Motion carries five zero. It's now time that we open it up for resident input, And we ask that you on any item that is not currently on the agenda, we'd ask that you keep it to three minutes and recognize that the council, we may not be able to answer, but if we have taskings, we will get back to you. So we will open that up at this time, for resident input. Happy none, we'll close the resident input, and we'll move on to chief, let's let's move on to you first. Okay.

Thank you, counsel. What I'm reporting on tonight is the week of July 12 through 07/18/2026. So I tried to do one report, one weekly report, and then a monthly recap. This week we had 145 calls that the department handled and out of that 40 of those were in Hyde Park or centered right around Hyde Park. Of the forty, twenty one were priority calls. So just over 52% were priority type calls. And as you look at that green column for Hyde Park, we had a busy week in the first week of July. At the last city council, we had 18 for Hyde Park that week. And like I said, jump from 18 to 40 is a big increase for us. And you can see those calls there. June was an interesting month. We had a lot of medicals and we're starting to see that same type of thing happen for July in the falls for this week. We had two falls and then one unconscious that we handled and dealt with. We also had the sex lewdness and the suicide threat and the domestic and the vehicle fire. So there's a lot of things that were happening in Hyde Park this last week. For traffic stops, I have one of my officers who normally drives a lot of traffic stops. We've had him training this last week and so our stops have gone down. We were at 50 this week. You can see out of that 14 citations and 36 warnings and then the breakdown the two of the citations were in Hyde Park and six of the warnings were in Hyde Park as well with that. So it kinda gives an overall. We're busy with everything. We're training a new guy. And for department update, we have lost one to the county. His last day is Friday, and he's headed over on that.

So we're back to trying to So this week, are we fully staffed? This week, we are fully staffed.

The end of Friday, no. I think we won't be. That's short lived. Yeah. So we are trying. It it makes it difficult with with just the way things are. And between agencies, every agency in the Valley is struggling to to keep people on that. And so it's a battle that we're gonna continue to to have, and we try to do what we can to improve things and and keep people coming here. But that's where we're at as far as, the calls for this week on that. I'm happy to answer questions if you have any. Any questions, comments for the chief?

Okay.

Did we get our tracks in, or we just got one soon? We have the one, but it is assembled and working properly

on that. So we're ready to put into place. And I talked to mister Ashcroft there. Yeah. He's out of town this week, but he'll be back in in a couple days here. And

we'll have that up on on his property August 1. I spoke to him Saturday and and told him that you would be there Yep. With the traps, and we're gonna try and relieve some of the pressure that he feels. Yep. So

it's it is here. The other two we're being told will be here by the end of July. Okay. So we'll have those. Good.

Any questions? Anything else? Thank you, chief. Welcome. Appreciate all you're doing and recognize the challenge of staffing. That's always been a challenge for us. Marcus.

I just have two things quickly. The city council requested a couple of site draft site plans to take a look at Legacy Park and see if we were to do something with that back portion that currently has the the bike track, what could fit there. There's a couple of examples that I've put in box. I'm it's I won't spend the time to go through them. Essentially, the short version is we have room for more parking and potentially more facilities for outdoor sports, soccer fields, sort of lacrosse, or whatever sports you want. So take a look at that. I realize we're gonna be talking about a master plan here pretty soon, so I don't expect any action. But it's just an example to see what could be done back there. The second item is the Logan River Watershed Project, more commonly known around here as the project to pipe the Hyde Park, canal. They recently had a rather tumultuous public comment period, and there's several cities who've reached out to the group and requested information sessions or presentations to city council. I reached out to see if we could get a presentation of our city council to just talk about the project. It was one that the city entered into under mayor Flint, many years ago. And so I reached out to see if they'd be willing to come give a presentation at our city council meeting to talk about the project, what's happening with it, where we go next. And so I wanted to ask the council, is that something you're interested in having done here, or would you like to set up a work group with just a couple of council members and the mayor? Or is this something we're not worried about? What how would you like them to respond to JUB?

And is is the is this the Lower what we refer to in town as the Lower Canal? Yeah. Yeah. So they're look and they're looking at piping it

up to oh, I'm gonna say a road name. It's gonna be wrong. It's not quite getting up to Hyde Park City. So they're gonna be piping it. At least this is the last version we heard. Maybe it's changed. I don't know. But they were looking at piping the majority of that canal to make the it pressurized just like the middle canal that runs here close by. Well,

since it may be after me, I will tell you that this legacy project has been going on since since Mayor Flint. There's not a single pipe, a single anything built except PowerPoint. They're working supposedly on some funding. This is one of those, like I call it, a legacy project. Concerns that I would have for you to raise up is the cost assessment. This project includes things, trails for Logan City, all sorts of different amenities for Logan City, but it has water share holders and and potentially implementing the cost across the entire city. You gotta figure out how they're trying to do this and how they want you to assess for the amenities that they're giving. So I'm I'm this is why Marcus and I said we didn't wave a white flag. We waved ace and attack flag that this is not something that is conducive to the residents of Hyde Park because why should residents be paying for amenities elsewhere?

Essentially, the project's risen to the level of 300 some odd million dollars. They're looking at having extra assessments for people who own shares in the canal as well as having taxes raised to pay for a portion of the project. Sorry about that. And so, yeah, I think it's a great opportunity for us to have them present to the city council and maybe send out a message to our residents to come and hear more about it. But I just wanted to know if that's a priority for you. I think you should. And if so, when would you like me to see if we can get it scheduled?

I I think it's a priority. Did you say the piping would never come into Hyde Park? That was the plan a year ago

when I was attending the meetings regularly.

I have not attended The rest of the pipe would be phased in going through Hyde Park, but

as what I understand, not the pavement. I know it it wouldn't be throughout Hyde Park. They were going to stop either just before or just after they got to our city limits on 3100 North. But Oh, there's somewhere around the Airport Road right now. But

Yeah. But all tentatively, all of it would be piped.

So would the council like me to reach out to schedule the presentation here at a public meeting? I think it should be here. I'd be in favor of that. I mean, if this is news to me and,

you know, I suspect many residents, and if we it's gonna impact us, then I think that I'd like all of us to know about. Yeah. The the twelfth the twelfth is filling up in August.

The next one is a truth in taxation, which

We will have a business meeting on the twenty fifth, which they could potentially present at, or we could look at the really, there's not a rush at this point. Yeah. It's not for us to around. Like, receive meaningful comment that will be submitted when the project is over, but there is still a window for the city to be able to do something. So, yeah, I'll

I'll see if we can get something scheduled for either the August 25, or we will look at the first meeting in September. I could do it on one of our regular Wednesday night meetings just because the public that's when they're used to us meeting. Isn't the twenty fifth like a Tuesday? It's a Tuesday because our regular meeting will be the the truth and taxation period. Do it after that just so First one is September 1. Yeah. So people don't miss it because we're holding it On a different night? Oh, after school's over. Yeah.

After it starts. After summer's over is what it would say. What also makes September a good time to do it? Alright. I will see if we can get it scheduled for the first meeting in September.

First meeting in September? Yeah. League, I would say, is coming up in ninth. But that's probably first week October. So

anything else, Marcus? That's all that I had. Marcus, where did you put the plans for the park?

Where can I find those? I thought I put them in the box under staff reports in that folder.

Really, what that shows us is the size and area, the scale of what we could you know, if you want a Yeah. Full size soccer field. Of course Yeah. It has it going east west, which we you'd never build an East West field. Yeah. I didn't say there were good site plans. I just said it was an example.

But, yeah, here's here's what it potentially could look like. Yeah. There there's room to do a lot of things back there. We just need we probably need to get this master plan kicked off and do some serving our residents, find out what people want, and then we can make a more detailed comprehensive plan for that area. So there you go. Food for thought. How Go ahead. How many total parking places would there be with this? Oh, I I don't know. Okay. I didn't count them. I think what we asked them is could we double the amount of parking? So whatever parking we have now, this is showing doubling that number of

spaces. Oh, gotcha.

Any questions, comments for Marcus? Alright. We'll move on to my report. I will tell you, I I was surprised with the article today in the paper because it was not supposed to be released till tomorrow. But they said that you as a council met on Tuesday, so I'm disappointed. But it was supposed to be our meeting tonight and released tomorrow. But as many have known, I've been battling with some health issues and feel it necessary. I've I've written a letter. It's in your inbox. Writing this letter with a message of gratitude, full of heart with a full heart. As I reflect in on the seventeen years of service, been blessed to serve in our community, I recognize Hyde Park City is a place where I'm thrilled to live with my family. Serving as mayor has been one of the greatest honors of my life, And I'm deeply grateful for the trust, support, and kindness that you, not only council, but the residents, have shown me all these years. We face challenges, and I'll paraphrase some of these things. We fail check we face challenges and and celebrate the milestones fostered in our community. We've received quite a bit of funds in grants for our community to help prepare us for the future. So it's difficult news that due to health conditions that are beyond my control, and they've been more aggressive, making day to day tasks more difficult. It hasn't been hasn't been kind to me. Due to that, I'll be stepping down as mayor. I think it'll be effective on the August 12 because that letter this letter going to you and being released since they've already the newspaper's already done my big reveal. So, the city by state code has a requirement to notice it and people can apply. And then on the August 12, councils will be reviewing those applications and interview the people that have submitted. Obviously, if any council member submits, they can't be part of the review process. And then council would vote fully intended on wanting to serve the totality of my term.

But

the last eight months have been really difficult for my health team, so spent time. Don't look at me, Jana. Spent time with my wife discussing what's best for my health, family, and what I expect out to be for the city. It's time for me to step back and focus on the things that are most important as family. I know that counsel, you'll do a wonderful job. You all you have, and you'll continue to do that in any way I could help. I would do that. It just as people can tell my speech, it affects my speech. So it makes even this difficult. I have to hold my job so I can speak. But thank you, counsel, for all the work you do, all the support you've given me, and the residents, thank you for everything you've done. That's all I have. So let's move on. Think they're applauding because we're moving on. Thank you. The next item of business is consider the safe routes to school for Old Ephraim Middle School. We have somebody from the school district, I believe, here. Welcome. And this was loaded up into box.

K. Great. Thank you. My name is Amy McNeil, and I am the principal of Old Ephraim. And it actually is the elementary school, so up on 400 East, 300 North in that area. And and I would like to recognize, we have Derek Beer here tonight who is our

Who who is it?

His name is Derek Beer. He is our director of elementary education. And then we also have Stephanie Adams who is our director of student services. So they are in attendance as well. And before I move on, mayor, I would just like to say that I wish you the best in everything moving forward, and I'm sorry I've not been able to work with you up to this point, but I do hope that

That would mean I'd have little kids in the school. Okay. No. No. I have grandkids. I'm here with you, Janet. Okay. Alright.

Well Thank you. Yeah. You're welcome.

You're gonna be the principal at the new school? Yes. I am. Yeah. Mhmm. Nothing but glowing

remarks, so thank you for doing that. Thank you. Thank you. I'm I'm very excited. I am excited to be a part of the Hyde Park community and get to know everyone a little bit better in the area. And I have had the opportunity to get to know Hyde Park a little bit better over the last eight months. We have been meeting as a steering committee, and I would like to thank those who have been part of that steering committee to talk about our safe routes. And, Dave Fowles and, Tiffany Atkinson have been part of that as well as, chief Goodrich. He attended as well, along with, members of our community parents, of children who will be attending Old Ephraim. And so I wanted to present to you what we talked about as a steering committee and as a committee decided what would be best for students in this community getting to school and back home safely. So this first slide is just an outline of kind of a zoomed out view of our school boundaries and transportation. So if you notice the red outline, that are the is the school boundaries for Oldie from elementary. In the green zone is where transportation is not provided. So anything without, outside of that green zone is busing will be available to those students. The dots that are on the map are families, students within the school boundaries that would be potentially attending oldie from elementary. And so you can see where we have different clusters of homes and how the transportation might impact more on the East side of the community. But if you'll go to the next slide for me, this is the same map, but it outlines what our safe routes would look like, what we per have proposed as a as a committee and have approved as a committee. And so as a safe route plan, our job as a new school is to determine what is the safest route to get to school for students that would be walking, but that doesn't mean that we need to choose every street that would be best for every neighborhood. And so we come with with a generalized plan that can work for all areas, and then it's up to parents' discretion of how they are going to utilize those routes. So this is the plan that we have chosen. If you notice, we have that route coming from the the East Bench on 4450 North. Using 450 North as a safe routes, that is the south entrance to the school. Then on the other side, you have starting further south, coming down south from the neighborhood and then going along 400 East. The idea as a committee is we wanted to avoid that main street at four hundred East as much as possible. We didn't want to have the, all of 400 East be a walking route for students. We wanted to minimize it. And you'll notice that that is one of our first proposed crosswalks there is on 400 East, and I believe let's see. I have it outlined on my other side. But what happens there is up to that crosswalk, the sidewalk is on the east side of the street. But then to get to the school, they need to cross, and there is not a sidewalk on that side of the street. For a safe route on a busy street such as 400 East, we felt like it was would be necessary for students to have the sidewalk to be able to walk on. And so that is the just the case justification for having a crosswalk there to get them to towards the school. If you follow that line, continue west and north, we have our an another proposed crosswalk. This will actually be our busiest area because this is the south entrance of the school, and this will be our drop off and pickup. And we do have a loop within the parking lot once you get onto the school property. That's a loop through the parking lot, and then you exit. So you enter and exit the same area going to the school. So it's going to be a very busy street during

pickup and drop off times. So I take it the safe routes have verified all of the signage that you have noted in here?

Yes. All of the we have gone through and checked all the signage that are on the street. So everything that you see on there is ex existing except the three new proposed crosswalks.

But everything that's there is existing. We'll see them on the next one. Mhmm. You were explaining again where that first crosswalk is, the the Address.

Yes. If you could go down a couple 180 North. Is it 180 North? If you go down a couple of board introducing one. Northwest presentation all ready for me.

Is it the what?

Which one are you guys getting? Okay. It's The the one on 404 Hundred East. It's 180 North.

180

It crosses there and then it goes down into that subdivision.

That that's returns and options. Alton Brown

where it comes to Just ask why didn't you use 300 North where it has an existing sidewalk?

300 North?

Yes. To go North, you have the sidewalk on both sides. But

is there a sidewalk in front of Buds Hill? That's where they would have East Side. 3 on the East Side? Yes. 300 North

as on both sides, but on a for a very short portion

coming off of 400 East. Well, if they were walking on the East side of 400 East Cross on 300 North, on either side, there's a sidewalk.

I I think go ahead, Ed. I think the the reason why we decided to do it the street more south is because that 3 if the 300 North excuse me. I'm getting my north and south mixed up. 300 North and 400 East is an extremely, I'm just gonna say scary corner. It's difficult to see. That corner right there, we have those trees even as driving that street, trying to turn on to 400 East or turn left on 400 East, there's hardly Phoenicia's agility. Yes. It's very different. And so as a committee, we decide that just would not be the safest route for students, was to use that. And then as we talk about it a little bit more, you'll also see that as far as coming and going to the school, the traffic pattern, we have proposed that we close a a portion of 300 North to make the traffic flow better for the surrounding streets and for the school itself. So And I can explain that to you. Yeah. There's there's sidewalk.

You're you're saying that that the house sits on 300 North And Northeast because of the shrubs or bushes that there's a challenge there, and we have a code that they need to be compliant with, and that that can be remedied. I I would say closing the street, who's gonna close that? Who's gonna put the close signs up? Who's going to take them down? Who's going to make sure?

It that would be actually the responsibility of I feel like we're working in partnership just so with, chief Goodrich, those that we're aware, but the school that we will be putting signage out. You see. And I can explain a little bit more if you go to the next slide with and maybe go to the next the next one where it zooms in a little bit more. So this is the traffic flow that we would anticipate with this. And if you notice what as a committee, we felt like the least amount of traffic we can have on 400 East, the better because we know that that is a main traffic road for a lot of residents. And so we didn't want to put undue stress on 400 East. If we don't close 300 North on that short section between 3, 330 East, about 330 East and 400, excuse me, 400 East. If we don't close that section, what we're gonna find is we're gonna have traffic going on 400 East coming from the bench, going on 400 East, turning on 300 North, and we're going to have traffic trying to go like this into the one entrance for drop off and pickup. So to be able to have school, it would be what we have proposing with this plan is that as instead of going on to 300 North on the east side, we're going to go around the block and have one entrance turning left into the school. And as you come out of that circle, u is in only a right hand turn. So that way we have cars flowing in quickly. And, if we have 300 North open, that could potentially and very likely cause a backup on 400 East, which would stop traffic flow on 400 East. So that was the main reason for a proposed closure for 300 North just during the drop off and pick up sites. Can I can I ask you Mhmm? How do you propose

closing a city road that all our residents have used? How how are you going to close that twice a day?

They she just said It would be managed by police are going to.

Oh, yeah. It would

but If I could talk, I guess, real quick for just a second on that. I understand what principal McNeal is talking about as far as trying to bring everybody in at the same time. I guess the reality of what we face or the challenge we face is trying to have the police do that. Sometimes I've got one guy on, sometimes more, and we're able to help with that. And so I think it kinda comes back to the partnership that you're talking about of do we have some of the schools have had rotation assignments with the teachers being out in the school or in the parking lot as the buses are coming in. You know, is that something that could help with that? Traffic already in this area on Fortis is difficult on there. And so trying to add drop offs and and pick up some things like that is gonna be extremely challenging, I think, with that.

Thank you.

That that's a challenge, I think. If we could figure out if we're gonna close out or the city allows that to be closed there, it's gonna have to be a partnership with the school.

Absolutely. No. We would work together on that. And, again, it's we're not closing it for the day. It's select times of the day. So 08:30 to 09:05 and then 03:30 to 03:50. Really, we should be able to have with this type of traffic flow that we're presenting, we should be able to have drop off, drop off and pickup completed. Well, not drop off, pickup completed within twenty minutes, which is quite good for a school. Without that closure, it can look very different. I worry about frustration with parents being able to get in and to get out. It it would take much longer for our pickup, for parents to pick up their students if we have people able to enter the South entrance from the South from the East and the West at the same time. Also, anticipating on I'm still learning my streets here. So that's 400 East. What what is that street labeled just one block west? That's safe. The crosswalk where the crosswalk is. That's 3330

East.

Another thing that potentially might happen is if we have traffic coming off 400 East and then turning on that 180 North and going through that neighborhood to try and take a quick right into the line of traffic and then take a quick left into the school entrance, that might cause a backup as well. So that was another area of concern. So and another reason to try and close that area, that small area to help the traffic flow. Along with that, we will need crossing there as well with the amount of traffic and students walking to school. That is another proposed crosswalk to have a crossing guard for traffic for student safety.

So, chief, what happens when you have your policeman there before or after school and they have you have an emergency? What happens when we have what? I'm I'm sorry. I didn't What happens if you have an emergency and you need those officers or that officer?

Well, that becomes a challenge on that. Like I said, our officers aren't included in the crossing guards, so they're not gonna be there for that. Obviously, we're gonna be trying to help, especially with the new school and the new traffic patterns. However, it does like I said, it we respond as the calls are happening. So if we have priority type calls, it's left to the crossing guards or the teachers that are there to help in that moment.

If I could speak to that a little bit, I worked at Providence Elementary, as a teacher, and they had something similar to this, but they actually blocked off the whole street, Center Street right in front of the school. And we did not have officers there on-site every day, but signs were put up on each entrance, the end of that block that the road was closed during that time. And so I think a lot of it is getting the word out, community education, letting people know this is what it looks like, and being able to reinforce that at times. I I would never expect to have officers there every single day demand that. That would be something that we've done more with signs and public education.

So I'm curious. What does it take to approve the safe routes? Is that something the school district or the board approves? Who

So it is the steering committee within the school. And so that's what we've been doing over the last eight months So is developing it and improving it. But

but that steering committee and no and no single council member has the authority to expend city funds. So if we're gonna need officers there, I could just see how this can cascade while the chief's gonna end up. This is the same time that the Green Canyon four hundred goes on. Everybody rushing to school. And so we have we need to have additional police presence or more overlapping, which increases the police budget. So now North Logan also gets an increase in that. Hyde Park residents get an increase in that. So we're making something that should be figured out with granted a steering committee, but a traffic study that as a city, we haven't seen that yet for the school. We're wanting to encumber the residents of both North Logan and Hyde Park because we have the police budget to be able to staff and do this work for the school, making that problem our problem, which I don't know that it is. Right? It is our children, and we wanna keep them safe, but we want we know that you're only gonna get a lot more students from the East Bench. This is the English school. Correct? And the Yes. Mhmm. Multi language is state of Oregon. Gonna be Cedar Ridge. And it's only opening up at, if I from right, something like 67% capacity or something like that that I was told,

it will be able to be thrown into. Yes. Mhmm. There will be room for growth.

So it's whatever the challenge is, it's gonna be increased over time because

I could I we have kids. Mayor, there there's still a few more slides. Perhaps we could let principal McNeil finish the presentation, and then we could dive into some things. I know as a city staff, we have a couple questions we'd like to go through as well. So maybe we can let the

we can get the presentation. Thanks for sharing. Let's we have two more slides to where we have the recommendations. Well, actually, three. So this gives more detailed numbers of about where students are at in the community. Those dots that I spoke of earlier of residence is with students that would be potentially coming to the school, this is where these numbers come from. And so about a 122 students North Of Center Street and West Of 700 East, so that pocket before you start going up the East Bench. And then we have 24 that are South Of Center Street. As a committee, we have long discussions about Center Street as well because that was a concern getting students to school safely. Again, these are students that are not in the boundaries where transportation would be provided. Then East Of 700 East, we have about 118 students that do not have available transportation. And so the probability is very high that we will have parents be dropping off their students. So that adds to the drop off and pickup traffic. Then with students within the busing boundaries, we have 54 South Of Center Street, and then we have 19 that are East Of 700. So within the red boundary line, but not in the green zone, we have a small pocket of students that would be bused there. So if we go to the next slide, these are the recommendations that from our steering committee, that we agreed on as a committee that, we were proposing three crossing guard locations, and we talked about the two. One at the one hundred eighty north and four hundred east, and as well as that three hundred north and three thirty east, which is the south entrance of the school. The 450 North 400 East, that's where the four way stop is now. And we anticipate we will be having students coming down 4 5th some students coming down 450 North and crossing 400 East and would it need assistance crossing that busy road. Another recommendation, and, again, this is something that I will show on the next slide as well, improved sidewalk to go with our safe routes proposal is we have between 300 North and 200 East. Let's see. 200 East, 330 East. Okay. I don't have if you're looking at the map, it's a little bit easier to see these side by side. But where our safe routes come, it comes in on the 250. Sorry. What was that, Dave? What was that street?

We're we're on 300 North and where the safe route on 200 East 200 East. Goes north to 300.

Yes. So between that 200 East and to the entrance of the school, there is a short part of sidewalk, not much. But at some point in the future, we would like to see improved sidewalk there just because that 300 North is going to be such a busy street with drop off and pickup that it would be safer for students. Now improving sidewalks, this is something that we can do over time. But as a safe route plan, as a committee, we have chosen what we feel like is the safest for students as things are right now, but we can always work towards making it better where we can. So if we go back to the recommendations, And then I did put on there the road closure that we have discussed. If you go to the next slide

oh, do you have a question?

Quite a couple of questions. Yeah. Number one, how many students, not how many, just what roughly what percentage of students are gonna be bused to school?

Small well, 73 students as of right now. I was told, like, two buses. Two buses.

To start with. Next question. We have two buses is all we have going in there? Yes. And over increased over time?

Likely. If they're outside the zone. Outside the zone. Yeah. That's something we as a district, we work with our transportation department.

That zone is based on the mileage distance from the school. And as High Park grows Right. And and they build outside that zone, then that will require buses. If they're inside that zone Mhmm. Yeah. It is. Require foot leg, which means parents will drive them.

My experience with elementary, even though some can walk, parents take them. Yes. Or they have their parents take them. I'm not sure which is the right way to say that. A little bit of that. Principle here. What what I'd be able to high school or help with the high school, and we knew all this before we dug ground. I I I don't understand why this wasn't mapped out before. I have a hard time approving closing a street. As a city, I don't think I have that right. And I just know how schools are and how people will bring their kids and wait. Is there where are they gonna park? I mean, I live up there, and I'm not sure if there's very much parking for parents to drop off or wait for.

Right. And especially during the winter. Yeah.

So I'm

I mean, I wonder if the school district could mitigate some of this by by closing in your busing and bus more students instead of having

counting on so many walking. The the buses will come in from the North Side. Correct?

North side of the school off of Yes. The North 450.

Mhmm. Okay. Yep. So there North End to No busing. No pass coming in? No. No. No. It only gives a walk. But Walking students. Walking students. Yeah. Probably going to get yes. Those on the the 450 East, that part of the walking route takes that into consideration. Good for that.

Needing to go to the the North Entrance. And Tiffany and I spent some months working with Amy and the steering committee on this and this is the result. I would tell you it wasn't a consensus. I had many parents, you know, and we discussed this and probably not always fully in that committee, but the parents that would say, well, I live up there on whatever east and I'm going to cross 450 North and I'm not gonna get in that line and draw all the way around the block and drive all the way around the block and go all the way down the loop in the school. I'm gonna drop my student off on 450 North, and they're gonna walk in on that north entrance, then I'm just gonna go around the block to the North Of Smithfield and go that way they're not even gonna get in that big long line so you know there's I think this is gonna look a lot worse than what the map I I just had heard hearing that from parents. It's like, I'm not gonna sit in that line and go all the way around those blocks. I'm just gonna drop my kid off across the street.

Well and as a school, I'm gonna say I can't force anyone to do anything. We have a proposed safe walks safe route plan that we felt as a committee that that was the safest for students. So we wanna do what's best for kids in this environment and what that might look like for them. We want them to be as safe as possible. So that is why we have come up with this plan and gone to all this work to determine what possibly could be the very best option for them. If thank you for going to the next slide. With that, it will highly impact some of those streets. 50 North, 100 East, and 300 North, that will be highly impacted. Once again, with the layout of our school, we wanted to try and keep as much traffic off 400 East as possible because we didn't want that to be another highly impacted street. We also another thing to look at is inside on that three hundred North three thirty East, parents, if they come through there and try to do, like, a two car length right turn and then a left turn into the south entrance. That's something to consider. Any signage and pavement markings that will be, needed. And then, again, on the sidewalks, it does safe walk routes don't require immediate sidewalks. The goal is to have steady incremental safety improvements over time. Paid paths can be an option at some point. And the goal is to fun funnel all walking students into a single designated area so that drivers are more of aware of where students are and they will be more safe because of that. So with all of that said, I know you have a lot of questions.

I and yeah. We and then whether or not you can answer. I think Right. I think it best that we get Marcus some questions. Unfortunately, for for this whole thing, what school starts in a month. Mhmm. Yeah.

And you're just coming now. This is Yeah. So

I I did actually send this out to the city council in in March. Yeah. We got this and I And I end again in April with no There's

what we don't want to create is what we have in front of Cedar Ridge. I don't know if you've been there at school drop off and pick up. I actually do work at Cedar Ridge from here. Yeah. That's a that's a delight for everyone down there, and we don't wanna create that.

So, mayor, the city staff has a couple of questions we'd like to maybe hand back and hopefully get some answers on. One is has was this reviewed by a transportation engineer, or does it need a transportation engineer sign off? Sounds like the answer is doesn't need that. But I know our public works director was looking for some kind of endorsement from a transportation engineer. So we'd like you to consider perhaps doing that and providing that for us, if that's possible, or maybe the traffic study that's already been done for the school would be adequate.

Just something to consider. Understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, Stephanie, is having a traffic study completed is something that

is initiated by the city itself. It's not something that the school can do. Oh, we had this fight with Lance a couple The site plan, the construction was supposed to have a traffic study. Yeah. Mhmm. But because the state takes the city out of all of the review processes, we don't get to see anything.

This is a very complex issue whenever we open a new school or whenever things change involving an existing school. As far as having a traffic engineer study a safe walk routes plan, that's not a requirement. That's not something that's been sought yet. We can take that back. Whether or not that is something we can do within the time that we have, I don't know. But I can tell you this, a couple of things. One, when we when we look at impact within a city, part of the efforts we make to try to minimize that impact is early collaboration, which I know is something that principal McNeil as well as a couple of our council members have been heavily involved in. They've even met with me, regarding both schools that are going to be impacting the Hyde Park area. And so the hope is that by working through that together, that there is that consistent communication for a longer period of time so that, hopefully, we mitigate more of these issues early on so that we don't end up in crunch time where we're at right now. The goal of our safe walk routes plan is always just to create the safest walk route we can for children. Unfortunately, the burden of looking at crossing guards that need to be provided, that falls to the city and to the county. If it's a county road, then the county provides those crossing guards. They're the ones that do the hiring, the maintaining of that, and the monitoring of those those crosswalks in those those areas. When it falls within a city and on the city route, that's in that burden, it does shift back to the city. And so that's part of principal McNeal's purpose is just making sure that everyone understands that a group of citizens, school staff members, and council members have come together to try to create the best ideal that we can and try to forecast ahead of time what some of those issues are going to be, like the traffic on 400 East. Because that is a scary thought, having little littles crossing that and using that as a main walkway to be able to obtain access to school. And you're a 100% right about parents dropping off kids. I worked in the school as a principal where I had probably about 80% of my school in a walking zone, which will be similar to this. Right now, it's about 21% of students that are outside of the walking down here that would be bus or leave room. And in that, I probably had two thirds of those same parents driving their kids to school and picking them up either because maybe kids didn't want to walk or weather was bad or because we had basketball or ballet right after school and we had to do a quick step. So working together with the city, we tried to find the best way possible to make that manageable for students to be able to access school and also to lessen the impact of that traffic on our roads for the rest of our citizens.

Alright. That was long. Sorry. No. You're good. So the main reason we ask about a traffic study or traffic engineer is typically when a city changes a traffic pattern significantly, adding a lot of extra signage, changing speed limits, changing traffic flow. We have requirements by the federal government to perform a certain level of analysis to prove that it's warranted. And so we're just wondering if that's already been done by your group or if that's something you're looking for the city to do for you.

One one concern I have with that at this point is that we would be setting traffic as it exists right now, not traffic as it exists with. Right. That will dramatically change that. I mean, we can look at standard traffic without drop off and pickup, but the numbers you're going to see on impact will be drastically different in a month. Right. And I guess my point is this, like, chicken and the egg thing where

if you want the road closed by the time you open, the city has to have something to substantiate that we need this to happen, or else, legally, it's hard to justify if there ends up being a problem. Yeah. That's all.

Can I just add address that? Sorry. I know we've got a bunch of people coming up here. We can we can only make the recommendation on the road closure. Okay. We can't we can't say we're closing this road. I I know that we'd have to have approval from all of you, police chief. We can make that recommendation. I think the key piece is this is what they see may need to to happen down there. Okay. A big piece of that is going to be right now, and and Amy hit on this a little bit, is training with our with our families and communicating, like, look, this is a this is gonna be an area where we see a concern. Please avoid this area. You know, down the road, we might have to look at at limiting traffic there. We know, you know, councilwoman already mentioned, you know, closing it for we can't close it for the community members, obviously, but we're looking for, you know, the people coming in there and being able to to access that. So Okay. We're making a recommendation on that. The pieces that we we need some support on on the crosswalks and looking at those, seeing if those are viable options for for you guys, you know,

on that level. So k. That help. That does. I was just Okay. Our our public works and engineer were panicking a little because they're like, I think we can close a road without studies. So okay. That's good to know. It's a recommendation. Yeah. And and you and you notice it's a safe school recommendation that we're there's pieces that we do need to have in place, and that road closure,

you know, is a recommendation.

K. I'm I'm certain you know, Cache County School District has built a lot of schools. This isn't the first time. And I think even on the middle school, they had the traffic study that was done because of the busing and and the roads and everything to say that they that that's the city's responsibility.

Yeah. We had that fight with the engineer who is working on the school sites a couple times, and I won't get into it, but it's not always the city responsibility. Really quick, we've answered some of these other questions. It sounds like there is a plan to maybe partner with the city and try to go after some grant funds for things. That's good to know. And, yeah, knowing that this is a list of I looked at the and not demand. Aren't available for

yeah. Absolutely apply for them, but they're not available till, I think, 2028,

I said on the link. And like principal McNeal said, we don't have to have the sidewalks in place. K. We're we're recommending the safest route. That answered a lot of these questions.

I guess the question number two and three can kinda be wrapped up into one. The the crossing guard, is is there, like, a standard or, like, a number of students or a threshold, or when you meet it, we require a crossing guard, or is this just something the school wants?

And is it and if you're entering a four way intersection, a four way stop

already. So there's recommendations from the Utah State Board of Education, and there have been recommendations by the safe routes to school group for what minimum the number of students you have crossing over a road would require to have a crossing guard. I can't quote those off the top of my head. I apologize. But that is something we've used to evaluate in the past. We've done that with other schools where we've seen a new neighborhood come in, and that has drastically changed foot traffic. And we've studied that to see if it warrants having a crossing guard there too. Awesome. And then the follow-up is it

are there other options besides crossing guards? I know that crossing guards is a position that's can be difficult to keep filled, chief. And so I wondered if there are other options available in those standards, you know, like permanent signage. They have the flashing signs, the the flags. Are there other options we could put in maybe if we're having trouble filling the crossing guard slots and still meet those requirements? And has that been explored by the school district? We've obviously We've obviously we've successfully

Yeah. Yeah. There there are some options with that. I know Smithfield City. I was a principal in in Smithfield City for a long time. And just having the speed limit, a certain speed limit in that area constantly, I don't know. I can't speak to that right off the top of my head what that is. But there are some some ways you can kinda mitigate that and and not have a person there. Again, there's some state requirements there as far as how many cars, how fast they're going, those kinds of things. Mhmm. Age ages of children. Yes.

Yeah.

Right. Yeah. So just looking at an elementary, it is going to be a little bit more restrictive with bus options just because of the ages. Yeah. K.

I just know it's usually cheaper to buy a flashing sign than to try to fund a crossing guard for x number of years. And so if there's a way we could lessen that impact on the city's budget where we kind of already have a budget set, and if the council chooses to approve this, we're gonna be moving money around to try and accommodate some of these things. I just wondered if there's maybe a chance to do a one time purchase. Could we do that rather than setting aside funds for ongoing expenses every year? So I know that's a really hard question you probably can't answer right now, but maybe if we could have that discussion,

it'd be very helpful. Yeah. We you know, more most importantly, we just appreciate we know this is an impact to the community. We know that this is a strain on, the city and we, we wanna be aware of that and we'll work together on that. You know, we appreciate the council members support that have been participating in this throughout the winter. You know, they've had this completed since March, and being able to come and present it now, we appreciate that as well. But we can we can work, you know, with whatever we need to to to do that.

Is kindergarten at the school all day, or is there a midday pickup as well? It is all day? It's all day. There there's parents can opt for a midday

or a half day option. So there may be a few cars coming and going, but it won't be a big impact.

Again, I'd like to throw out the suggestion that perhaps the school district, like like you, we are concerned about the children. Maybe the safest thing would be to bus more children.

And those are those are state procedures that that we follow with that. There's funding. We don't get funding for anything within a certain mileage of the school. And so that's an additional cost that we don't have the ability to do right now to provide transportation. And then there's there's also, you know, kind of a where do where do we cut that off? You know, where do we where do we make that, adjustment? There's some there's some considerations there that we we look at. We've looked at with every one of our schools. We've worked with transportation. There's some pretty pretty hard guidelines there.

I I will say, you know, I I like the the words of we'll work together. I know the facilities gentleman that from the school that I last met with working together meant him telling me what we have to buy and us buying everything. And that's that's not working together.

I've not not been a part of that. I can't speak to that. Pardon? Having not been a part of Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's not yeah. It's just

didn't go well. So, Marcus, let's make sure that the council gets a collective comments, questions, because I think there's some traffic things that we want to figure out. And I I truly hope that we can work together. We I mean, this is for the betterment of the children. We want to keep them safe. We gotta figure this out. So we we need to get and you've got the get your we have your email. And and And we use you I have their contact information. I was gonna say conduit, lightning rod, either way. Funnel all the comments through you so we can you can get them out to everything that so we can get in information so the council and the city can you know, school wants to do what's right. The city wants to do what's right. And this the kids that we need to keep safe. And the age, I mean, little kids, some of them will get down there and flashing light. They may not have shoes on because they've there's a little kids, so we wanna keep them safe.

And, Derek, as you say, I think some of the frustration that you're hearing is, you know, not to make light. And I know you can't do anything that the state only funds busing of kids certain distances. Well, we don't get funds to build the sidewalks or to get more crossing guards. So, you know, that and I know you can't go back to state. Well Hyde Park says they get to have more money for more busses. I mean I know it doesn't work that way but part of the frustration is that the school just decides with very little notice when we're already in our budget year that oh we're going to build a school here in the next year and and now we've got to respond the best we can not having budgeted for these things and it turns around you know we either do without certain services because now we have crossing guards we're paying for you know all the other things that we're doing and so you know this isn't directed at the three of you it's just concerns that I hear with the way the school district in the state of Utah builds their schools and kind of throws it on top of us. Now we now we have to figure out as a city how we're gonna

support that. So that's I understand that. Yeah. I don't know if chief, did you think about these when we created your budget? We did, actually.

I knew that we were gonna have to have crossing guard sometime, and so we tried to plan for that. We have we've hired one, and we're trying to move the others around so that we can have an existing guard that will do both, one earlier at the North Logan side and then switch over to the Hyde Park side. Because I know

the county's budget cycle is calendar year. Our our fiscal is June 1, so we're already into a budget that we approved back in March. So we're like, okay.

How are we in our interim budget? Pardon? We're in our interim budget. It gets fully approved when we have our tax hearing in August. Yeah. Well, that's for

well, we we're into our interim budget because the state does what they do so much to help us. But we'll revisit that budget again

in August. And and, mayor, I'll I'll add that there was there was a lot of talk going on with everybody in the steering group, the administration, parents, trying to figure out, you know, not necessarily I mean, we call them safe routes since, like, kind of sort of the safest route but to try to mitigate some of the costs where we said well no we're not going to move crossing guards and crosswalks and all that further east trying to get across center that we're going to use the same crossing guards being used for Cedar Ridge to try to so you know what you'll end up seeing is kids going opposite directions so using current safe routes current crossing guards down on 200 West And Center to get kids across center and then up on the safe route. So there was there was a lot of work trying to, like, well, how can we resolve it? And and it's not easy. I mean, I'll tell you What the the final is here, like, I'm not sure I'm I'm great with all that, but, you know, you you work as a group to come up with the best you can because

I spent a lot of time trying to figure this out, and it's not there's not a great solution. Right. One of the things we've tried to look at, and that's well, this wasn't the single driving force, but we we do have Cedar Ridge starting at a different time to be able to offset those times a little bit. What what time will that be? Because I wasn't I that's the question I should ask because can we double up on the crossing guards? Well and that's the purpose of trying to one of the reasons of offsetting those is you can you can have crossing guards kinda going around. Focus. So it's at 08:30. So it's it it's a ways away from the 09:05 or the Okay. So you could you could shuffle things around a little bit if needed.

Yeah. So this was on the agenda as a voting item, but it sounds like we they're not looking for approval. This is just a presentation. So this is not something that needs to be voted on. I'm pleased for that.

On our next city council agenda as well so that, hopefully, we can get some information, put it tentatively on the next city council agenda so that, providing we get information, get get some questions back to them and give some information back. So hopefully, we can Yep. Perhaps even meet with facilities unless

I'll just say if nobody sends me any questions, I'm not calling them to come back.

So Yeah. Give me questions or else I'm gonna let them be on their merry way. Let's Could I make one comment maybe? One one suggestion. And this is an extremely complex issue. And I I suggest maybe we take it one bite at a time, starting first with the crosswalk locations on that. I think once we have the crosswalk locations decided and finalized, then we can start the marking process and start figuring out who those crossing guards are going to be. And if it used to be me or if it used to be, you know, a crossing guard that comes from Cedar Ridge or something like that, like, we can figure that out. But I think where school is starting, I think that's kind of the priority right now is let's start with that, figure out the locations, and then marking them, and then, you know, figure out who's gonna man at. Well, let's

let's have that a little better to find because I wanna vote on something that's better than fine because right now Right. I don't understand it. And I know I haven't been in the steering committees,

and I don't miss those. I'm sorry. But I I understand where you're coming from. I think my only question for clarification, it says yellow equals crosswalk. Is that for all legs of the intersection, or would that just be for a specific leg of the intersection? Just on your map, you got one, two, three, four, five. Okay. Yeah. So I guess we would just need to know which parts of the intersection need one, if it's all parts or if it's just one of the streets, and then we could get started like what you said.

Council, if you I will commit to have Marcus my questions tomorrow. Let's

see. You're not in Monday already. So I'm not in tomorrow, but I will send them all on Monday if you guys bobbing over the weekend. Great help you You but you'll you'll take them up till Monday, you'll send I will. Is that okay, Mary? My calendar right now, Monday. Send over questions.

I will Okay. By Monday. By by Monday, Marcus will send you questions on Monday. If you don't have your questions in by then, you have no questions. Let's

We need to move on this. Different but related topic. And I don't wanna take the time here, but I don't have children in the school. So maybe all the parents know, But I walk by the school and I'm thinking, I hope it looks better on the inside than the outside, and we've got a month left. And, you know, we had an opportunity with hometown days. We kinda talked about that months ago that maybe that could be a information we didn't do that. So I just I just asked to make sure that hopefully it's going on and maybe I need to ask my neighbors that have elementary school kids that they know when open houses are and and all those kinds of things because I'm not aware of any of that as a city and and I think somehow the city needs to be kept informed. Yes. Schools really started on time, etcetera, etcetera, so forth. So we can help you get the word out to the the residents.

Yeah. We'll let you know. I mean, obviously, it's a very tight schedule with that. We'll let you know as soon as we know. We don't know yet what that is. We don't know when the when the open house is. Is. We don't know when the ribbon cutting, those kinds of things, but we'll let you know when we know. We've got a meeting the first part of August to to get some timelines and and just see what we what we had we're up against there. So let you know as soon as possible. You just answered my question because I've always

I've worked with Scott Rigby quite well and have a good relationship, but we've always if there's major announcements in the school, we'd like to put them in our Sydney newsletter. But because you're meeting the August 1, about the same time that people will receive our newsletter, you're we could get it in September. Our newsletter gets made. You cannot be pulled. It's or it gets made being made right now and sent to publish, so you kinda answered that one.

Get it to you, sweetheart. I'm gonna carry. Yeah.

Alright. So I got the council on some short leases to get questions in. So in the email, you should have it Monday. So alright. Thank you so much, and good luck. And like I said, heard nothing, but I know who you are, but I I just everyone says you're just a wonderful person to be principal there. So

Thank you. Mhmm. I am looking forward to being a part of the community. So I do want us to work together and come up with the best solutions. And so please send me your questions, and I'll do my best to answer them and coordinate with, Derek and Stephanie too. Okay. K. Thank you.

Let's move on to, consider ordinance twenty twenty six dash 13. At an ordinance creating Hyde Park Community Reinvestment Authority.

Good evening, mayor and council. Thank you very much. My name is Sean Milne. I'm with the Bear River Association of Governments. I'm joined this evening at the podium by mister Rob Sant of Urban and Main. I'll explain or tee up an introduction for mister Sant here in a moment, but use a little time for personal privilege to say thank you, mayor. Like the speaker before and principal McNeal, I just wanna say thank you. Rob and I have been in this line of work for a minute. We've worked with a lot of different jurisdictions, and, Hyde Park's a real class act. I've had an opportunity to to work with the council and the mayor, mostly a lot with the mayor and staff on tonight's object and the the agenda item and some of the things that are behind it. But, Brian, you've become a real good good friend, and I really appreciate you. And I As of you. I'm glad that Jana's left and, you know, I was able to go have some personal time, but I wanted to share a comment of things to her too. Yeah. From my background that you're aware of, I know how much it it is for spouses, and that's for the council as well. You can't get into the store quickly anymore and get out. Sometimes when you want a night out with your your spouse It's Netflix. It's not. Yeah. It's it's not quick and just your own time anymore, and and you sacrifice a lot. And like that last agenda item proves,

sometimes a simple agenda item is much more complex than it looks on paper. Curious. After you got out of elected position, how long did you have to go to the recovering elected officials class?

It kinda started quickly when you're a lame duck just to put that out there.

Yeah. But

yeah. Anyway, I I Thank you, sir. I know it's been a long ride, so I just wanna say thank you, mayor. I really appreciate you pass along to Jana and your family as well because I I hope that I know how much they have to share you with the community. So moving along. The item before you this evening, you know that it's predicated upon an effort that we've been working with staff and the the the elected officials that you all are this evening for a couple of years as you've contemplated economic development in your community, for the betterment of local job creation, some additional tax benefit for sure, some of it may be with retail sales tax collection, some not, and mostly a property tax position. You've been working through a process to think about what business retention and recruitment might look like. And as we've worked on a couple of those projects, this item tonight is not about those specific projects, but we wouldn't be able to move forward with one of the tools that are at your disposal for business retention or recruitment called tax increment financing or TIF for short, if not for setting up a body as the agenda item tonight envisions. I'm gonna ask mister Scent to go over some of those details and talk about what that process looks like. But that is the reason for that here tonight. You're gonna take off a hat at some point if you create the reinvestment agency that's envisioned in this agenda item. And you will then put on another hat where you're more board minded towards economic development. And so I invite mister Sand at this time to kinda talk about that process and what it looks like, and we're both here to answer your questions.

Thanks, Sean, and thanks, council and mayor. So, yeah, so a community reinvestment agency is it's a limited purpose local government agency. So you'll be the community reinvestment agency board is the city council. Mayor serves as executive director and but it's a separate legal entity. So what you'll do is you'll you'll have a if you elect to create a a community reinvestment agency, you'll have the meeting the same night that you do city council, but you'll actually adjourn as the city council and then reconvene as the reinvestment agency. This is a an economic development tool that was created by the legislature all the way back in the nineteen seventies. There's currently over a 100 re redevelopment, reinvestment agencies. They have changed the name throughout since the seventies, but now it's a community reinvestment agency. And they're in '25 of the 29 counties. So it's a tool that's used by Salt Lake City. So the biggest city in the state all the way to to Garden City also has one. So it's a tool that that you could use to make strategic economic development decisions. And I think I'll take any questions with about the process. So I'm gonna explain the process a little bit. So you'll adopt this ordinance, and then reinvestment agencies are governed by Utah code 17 c. And so in 17 c, it says that for a community reinvestment agency to be created, the governing a legislative body has to approve an ordinance that creates the the community reinvestment agency. And then we also have to file a notice of an impending boundary action with the lieutenant governor's office, and then she will send us a certificate that says the Hyde Park Community Reinvestment Agency is created, and now you could now take action as that community reinvestment agency.

And to clarify, that action would be the use of taxes and the buybacks.

Right. You there's you could also buy your property. There's things you could do, but the main tool you would do is tax increment financing.

So counsel, you know, we've been working the project back forward and been discussing CRA. None of that can happen without having the board, which is you, to be the authority over that. We had previously discussed having Inland Port and, you know, Sean helped us land this and for to significant savings for the city, and we get to drive our own ship for for the amount and duration. So I think that's significant for the city, and I think it's important for you as as we continue to grow and get large employers and have businesses that can help shape and define the city for the future. Do you have any questions for Sean on this? This this just creates a board. We still haven't got the meat on the bones for the board to act on. So that is forthcoming.

I I will just kinda make a statement, kinda share where I'm at on this issue is because I've traveled the state and almost every county, really, and I have never found a county and even cities that are happy with the outcome of these. They just feel like they lose control of things. And and I and as I've thought about it, there's probably some small sit or some certain situations that they would be good. But, boy, I just hate to open the door to it. That's kind of my opinion.

I'll say we just go next door North Logan. They like it. They didn't like the county getting involved this last tax season, but they like having their CRA.

But I wanna clarify what it means, a copy of the notice and pending boundary action. What's this impending boundary action, or what does that have to do with the CRA? So you do there's two things. So to create a CRA, two things have to happen.

The the city council has to adopt an ordinance, and then you send an ordinance and then what's called a a notice of boundary action to the lieutenant governor. And then what that just says is basically Hyde Park is looking to create a community reinvestment agency. It it dictates that the boundaries of the agency will be the boundaries of Hyde Park City. So it's just a a step that you have to do, and and that's the same like, you have to do it if if you became a new city. A city also has to file this with lieutenant governor. One of the lieutenant governors has that she's in charge of is boundary adjustments and annexation. So it's just a legal step that has to take place for

to create an agent. This boundary boundary action is stating

there's going to be a CRA and here's the boundary, which happens to be the boundary of Hyde Park City. So yep. And not a not a area, but an agency. There's going to be a community reinvestment agency. Agency. That's something that they changed. It used to be redevelopment agencies, and then the project areas were different. Now the acronyms are the same, so it's a little confusing. But all you're doing tonight is you're creating the agency. You're not creating a project area. You're not creating giving away any tax increment. All you're doing tonight is saying, we wanna create a Ford that's locally controlled. It's not controlled by a regional authority. It's not controlled by the county. It's not controlled by the inland board. It's not controlled by Mida. This is something that the city council controls. And you're in charge of deciding, hey, do we wanna do this development? Do we not wanna do this development? Nothing can be created unless you approve it as a public body, which is different than a lot of the other tools that are in place. So we could create it and never use it. Correct. Me too. Yep. It's just in place where something comes that you as now re a board want to support, then you have this tool in place. So it's just it's saving you the time to do it at a later date. And the map we send to lieutenant governor is basically saying

within these boundaries is where a tax increment finance district could be created. Correct. We're not saying we're Doesn't have to be painting the whole city with Yeah. A tax benefit. We're saying within the boundaries of the city, we could make one of these things. Finds where we're allowed where you would be allowed to operate as an agency.

So if this thought you were gonna say something, Sean.

Just At risk of being verbose, I'll just say, yep.

So so

Everyone of you knows me. I don't know why I'm pretending. So Costco came with a CRA, didn't it?

Target Target? The CRA, didn't it? They did. K.

As well as a number of other As well as facilities that are just retail.

Yeah. As well as their sole on Target, but, yeah, Logan's. But yeah.

Yeah. Quite quick. I'm not gonna take your bait, Mayor.

What other cities have done this?

Just like Logan. Right? North Logan. So in in Cache County, you have the Cache County has an agency, Nibley has an agency, Logan has an agency, and North Logan has an agency. There's over a 100 in Utah. So I would say as you get in Box Elder County, it's Brigham City, Box Elder County, Tremonton. There's a lot of

They may not be doing anything, but they at least have established the agency. But most

Most do. In their various stages, you get to dictate the amount of tax increment that could potentially be used. You get to dictate the duration up to a not to exceed, and then you can renew as you get closer to that. I really appreciate councilman Osborne's critique and concerns. I I think Rob and I can both tell you a list of places where they would absolutely redo these again because they're a good tool, but you're in control. You're just literally taking off one hat in your capacity and putting on another hat. It's a little bit unique, and it can be confusing in the state of Utah that it's one and the same people, but it's a different body. It's a different body politic. But you're in a lot more control, and I really appreciate the subtlety in which mister Sant gave the ex examples of this is not like outside agencies coming to tell you what to do. This is where if you didn't have this and you chose to use inland port as an example, it's not a critique of theirs, but you acquiesce that control to them, a portion of it. They'll tell you that they're gonna be engaged with you to the extent that you wanna have some measure of your hand on the steering wheel. But, otherwise, you know they're in the driver's seat, so to speak. This is you being in the driver's seat, and you don't have to have this to to the point that the councilman's brought up. But at the same time, in a sophisticated world where larger employers, larger manufacturers, retail developments like the mall redevelopment that the mayor asked about with Target, they know that these are tools at the disposal of either you or your near peer. And you either have the opportunity or you don't. And if someone else nearby that in the sense of that business says, I might go here or I might go there or I might go the other place, and you don't have the tool and or not willing to at least have it in your tool belt whether or not you pull it out and use it for a particular application, then they know right away that that's not an option. And so this just gives you an option, again, to several questions. Doesn't mean you have to use it, and you shouldn't use it broadly. It may be that for the time being, it's the entire city limit, but there's a time and a place for where you'd consider something broad, and there's other times where you wanna be very surgical. You only wanna take the ward off the big toe, not take off the leg below the knee. You know? So, again, I just proved my point about it. It's hard for me to

If if this is such a good deal, how come we didn't do it last year or five years ago or ten years ago? And why does not every city in the state of Utah have a CRA if it's

this great tool? I'll answer some of that. We didn't know existed till, like, a year ago. I mean, I kinda knew about it, but it was only within the last year that Sean really sat down with me and explained this tool. And I said, this sounds like a great deal for the city. And then I started doing more research about it and understanding it. And so, yeah, it's been it's been pretty recent that it's been brought up, and we've understood how to create one and realized that we, as a city, probably could handle it at this point. We're getting to the size where we would like to have this in the toolkit. You know, it it was mentioned why would we want one. Well, because right now, we're we're losing businesses to our neighbors. We got a McDonald's coming literally across the street in North Logan City's boundary. We've got several restaurants coming in Smithfield right across the border. If we had something like this, it could be something where it might make the difference between us getting one of those sales text generators and going to our neighbors. Would it have made the difference in those specific cases? Probably not. But it's just another tool in the toolkit that we have only recently learned about. And by establishing this board and having the ability to do it, it just adds one more thing that we could bring out if we ever need to.

Council councilman, if I can expand on that a little bit because I really like the philosophy behind the question. I can't actually look back and tell you your predecessors, how long maybe you've been on here and didn't know about it, or what the county did or didn't know to tell you before my position existed just a few years ago. But, really, I can tell you the genesis of this discussion for what we're here tonight to discuss came about because I had some chance conversation and mentioned what economic development could be as a condition. And that you guys as a particular mix had conceived that residents are very expensive. Residents to anybody that's a realtor or a title company know residents only pay property taxes on 55% of their property's value. The business of the exact same value. If we had a home worth a million dollars and a business worth a million dollars, the businesses are gonna be taxed at a 100% of that that million dollars. You and I as residents are only gonna be taxed at $550,000 of that vow or, yeah, $550,000 of the million dollar value. Residents are expensive. The last agenda item kinda proved that in a passive sort of way. Businesses don't create kids. Residents do. Now it's not a knock on family creation. I'm all for big families. I love them. Let's do more of them. That being said, businesses are what pay for law enforcement more than residents realize. Businesses are what fund our school district more than most residents realize. And if you're not attracting the businesses and your near peer competitors, which are other jurisdictions can, then you're going to increase your expense side of a balance sheet. Man, I'm getting really wonky here, but I feel like a little bit like Ben Stein and Ferris Bueller's Day Off, but you need to restore some revenue generation to your balance sheet and business attraction or as businesses grow and might have a Sean and Rob somewhere else that's trying to tell them, hey. You seem kinda limited to be able to grow where you're currently at in Hyde Park or any city or county or whatever. Why don't you come on over here? We have an incentive for you, or we have a better workforce, or we're closer to a railroad or whatever it is. That's the sales position that we're in for jurisdictions like yourself. So you guys dare to ask the question. It started a conversation about the inland port, which is a way to defer those decisions being made by someone else instead of you. And as that discussion progressed, what coincidentally, almost serendipitously came out of that where some property owners saying, hey. We think we'd like to be on that train. Pun intended. Let's let's make a deal. And through one discussion after another project chip, project back 40 have come forward to us, and we realized, well, we don't need that mechanism to do our marketing for us. We can do it ourselves. We're your sales team and your accountants and your legal expertise for these kind of deals. You're the decision makers. You're the drivers that have your hand on the steering wheel, and this is restoring some of the benefit to you. So I can't talk about why others didn't before you or before my time, but you're having this discussion now, and the windshield view looks really great regardless of the rearview mirror.

I I would say that Sean hit it on the head. I mean, if if you look at our sales tax, although we have limited sales, we get three or four times more in sales tax than we get off the residential property tax. So we we get that. And nobody no business has been looking at us. We've been taking care of catching up infrastructure, doing things. But when we started looking to start leaning into it looking forward, then we see these, various tools that are out there for us. We need to be able to utilize that to, you know, help the city and help our taxpayers. All you have to do is look at the certified tax rates for for this valley. Every city on the West Side Of The Valley has high the highest tax rates. Cities that have commercials, that has industrial, have lower tax rates than everyone that doesn't have commercial. They they have they have to bear a lot of more burden on the residents with a higher tax rate. So

Yeah. I've done a a cost of service study before. And for every dollar of revenue a residential home brings a city, it costs a dollar 21 to service that home. And so the only other two things I would add so something that's critical in community reinvestment agencies that some of these other tax increment authorities have is it's called the but for analysis, and it's required that if if you were to decide to create a project area, you would have to do a but for analysis that says, but for the use of tax increment, either this development wouldn't happen or it would happen ten years later. Mhmm. But there has to be a reason behind creating a project area, and that has to be discussed in a public setting, which is also great about these. And the only other thing I would add is I've helped a lot of cities that you have land use authority, which is a great tool. But sometimes you might have a development that's allowed in your land use, but you might want some other things out of them. This is a great tool that you could say, oh, hey. You you want, you know, a tax increment. Well, we wanna have a better trail system, or we wanna have x y z. This is a tool that you could say, hey. We will give you this in incentive, but you need to do a, b, and c for us. So that's just another benefit that you have. And, again, tonight, all you're doing is you're creating the board, but you're not giving the board authority to do any project. That is at a later date. It's its own process. Line six, Marcus. Yeah. That's the same may, not my. Yeah. Small word, big change. Yeah. K. The governing board of the agency may adopt this. May adopt.

Gerald? Yeah. Do you do you know the reasoning behind people telling you they don't like it was because maybe they felt like they gave too big of a incentive

for I think, you know, a lot of it has to do with losing control of an area and then that, you know, MITA or the Inland Port Authority. I mean, you give up a lot of control to them, and they they can expand the area. They can

But but the CRA would prevent that because we we maintain control. That what they're saying.

I'm just concerned about opening up this door. You know what I mean? I can see it. Like I said before, I can see some good situations, but it's just like having a really dangerous tool, you know, if we just start creating a lot of these.

I think we would wanna be mindful about it, like, with our development agreements. You know, that was new to us, and we jumped all in, and then everybody wanted it. But I don't think this will be the same because we'll have this board We have, like, the information. Right? We're not just gonna go in and give everybody a tax incentive to come, but we're at a point in our community where we're growing and we aren't able to drive the the economic flow, like, that we need here. And so I feel like this is important because it's going to help us attract those businesses that might not just come just because of the number of houses we have here, the number of residents. It might be like, well, that's attractive to us because it's just over the border and it's kind of in our it would give us more of an incentive to bring the businesses, the retail shops here that we need to help lessen the burden of our residents.

But but will it only attract them if we get in a bidding war with a neighboring city and give away the farm in order to have somebody here and I think we say I think we say it has to look like this for to consider a CRA. Like, it needs to like, we get to paint that picture,

what it looks like, what we're willing to give up, what we're willing to what we want in return. Like, we get to paint that picture and make those decisions. I mean, it's at the local decision. It's a decision made right here from us. Does it benefit our community? Is it worth the trade? There's trade offs. Like, we're giving something up, but what are we getting in return, and what does that look like down the road, and how does that benefit our community down the road? I think So I think it's a good idea to set up a board, and then we'd be judicious about how

we implement it. I think there's a big difference between a destination place versus somebody wanting to build a Taco Bell. Right. I mean, it it's if you have a big development business area that one developer is undertaking, that may be different than, oh, well, I wanna come and build a Taco Bell. Well, we're not gonna go through a CRA for a Taco Bell. Something that's going to drive your commercial or your industrial employment Bring jobs. That kind of stuff versus Yeah. It's I wouldn't think that I think the board would should say no to those small things that are individually like that. And I would believe that would be your recommendation. Correct. Yeah. And that's another key thing to discuss. So, again, we're talking about

CRAs, we're talking about Midah and Inland Port. How they work is they create an area and then every taxing entity has to give typically 75% of their tax of their property future property tax for a twenty five year period. With this one, not only is it controlled by the city, by the agency, once we create it's called project area plan, we have to go to every taxing entity. So county, school district, even though you approved it as an agency, we have to come back to the city council, all the special service districts, and we have to explain to them, hey. We need your tax increment, and they have to agree via interlocal agreement to give it to us. So my guess is the county and the school district. If we said, hey. We want money for Taco Bell, they'd probably tell us no. So, yeah, it has to be a regionally or an impactful development.

So if if if we have this agency, can Maida come in and slap an agency like that on top of us? No. So, again, the good thing Who did you say? MIDA? Is he Who Yeah. MIDA. Who's who's who's MIDA? What's MIDA for installation

development authority. Okay. That's

Got it. The data per for for those who don't speak in acronyms. Yes. Thank you. Oh, come on. You speak. But but the rest of the city does not speak in acronyms. So we're talking about CRAs and Yeah. What does that stand for again? Yeah. You know? So I've just that's we need to speak the language of That's part of that. Residents. Yeah.

There's a lot of acronyms in this world. So, yeah, MIDA is Military Installation Development Authority. That one, there has to be a military benefit for them to be created. But, again, the thing with those is the only local controls you have for that is you would have to approve them to come into your city. And so I'd typically, you don't see a MIDA. A MIDA and a CRA can't be this Coexist? Can't co so they could the agency could coexist, but a project area and a MIDA area couldn't coexist because they use the same tool. Alright.

So what we're saying is we wouldn't we wouldn't likely approve or even get buy in from other agencies for a small entity of some sort. It's gonna need to be something that's gonna bring us make a significant difference, whatever incentive we were to offer, whatever percent. What remains coming in is gonna have to be significant to that taxing agency to say, yeah, we're on on board with this. It's not gonna be a one off restaurant or a warehouse here or something there. It's gonna have to be something that would bring dollars Yep. Because that's what we're talking about is Yeah. Is the businesses, commercial retail, whatever is gonna bring more revenues to the city so taxpayers get to spend a little less. Correct. So okay. So I'll give you two great real world examples that just happened. So Pleasant View City, I just helped them create

a project area and it was they had an existing industrial user and they wanted to do expansion. And no matter what, they're gonna do an expansion, but it's either gonna be a product line expansion or a product line or an expansion that didn't have a lot of the additional personal property tax. And for them, there was that big delta in investing an additional $40,000,000 of assessed value. And so they were like, hey, if we wanna invest this money, we need a little help. And so that was as a direct benefit. The taxing entities could say, hey, we're gonna get $40,000,000 a year of more assessed value than if we didn't participate. And so they all agreed to participate. Another great example is Far West just got a target. And with that one, there is a big road, a public road expansion they had to do, which was gonna be $15,000,000 and no developer. They're like, we don't have that money to do all the improvements plus this $15,000,000 road. And so they created a project area and there was that benefit to all the taxing entities of not only the increased property tax, but also the easement transportation burdens. And so they all agreed, hey, this is a benefit that we wanna see. And so there's a lot of different like, once again said that but for example, there's a lot of different reasons why you would create a project area, but you have to agree to do it. And then all the other agencies have to also agree that, hey, there is a a reason behind creating one of these project areas. And most of the time it is driven in, hey, how much revenue are we gonna get compared to if we didn't participate? And then the other thing I would just add is another thing you could do to protect yourselves and this is a later conversation, but I just helped another city, a Hooper create an economic development incentive policy. And so it's as soon as you get someone knocking on your door, hey, we want tax increment, you just say, here's our policy. So as long as you fit these criteria, come talk to us. But if you don't, entertain that. So it's just it really it's a tool and there's not a lot of negatives that you hear from a a entity that creates an agency because it's a a local control, helps guide and steer strategically development opportunities, and what you want as a city to see economic development into the future.

Maya, can I add a nuance to councilman Fowler's question too? I think part of the reason why even if we compartmentalize for a moment and say school district or another taxing entity wouldn't wanna agree to a smaller restaurant tour single pad, you wouldn't want to. You you kind of asked and we both nodded, but we wouldn't advise you to do that on a one off because this should always be, like, some we're economic development, and sometimes we can be at odds with community development. When when we work together, that's when both functions are doing the best. You wouldn't wanna do it for a one off for the economic development purpose because community development wise, you'd you'd want to be intentional about where that kind of retail goes and something like that. Like, you used a very specific brand, but I'm not gonna knock them. But let's just say that, you know, a drive through is gonna create a a a bunch of extra traffic. Right? And we had that discussion with the last agenda item. And so traffic is an important element. You want the sales tax, but do you just want it as a one off, or do you wanna plan as I look at Mikhail and and Marcus, you'd wanna plan what that master development looks like that the retail is gonna be at, whether it's a note at a signalized intersection, whether it's the flow of the traffic through the parking lot with limited access to the collector roads. You wouldn't wanna do a one off. Like, this is a very strategic I mean, what Rob and mister Sam just noted about having a policy, I couldn't advise more strongly. Now he and I may or may not have a difference in whether or not you advertise everything about your policy because it is your negotiating leverage. If it's your poker hand, you don't necessarily wanna show every other player at the table what your what is in your hand. But as long as you know what drives your decisions, councilman Osborne, then you're still retaining that control. And back over to a very specific example that was brought up. I'm not gonna rename it, but there were two municipalities locally that fought for a particular retailer. We're gonna advise you to some point, you have to let that go or you really, really want it that badly. Right? Because then to the argument, it's a race to the bottom. Who's willing to give away the most? It either fits your objective, which is expressed in the form of a policy, or it doesn't. And And that's when, like, being, with a fast talking auctioneer at something, you can be really motivated and played to, like, race to the bottom. We're doing our job well, and we've advised you before you ever get in one of those situations. You'll recognize when you're bidding emotionally versus when you're bidding to win and engage your bigger objective. Again, this is about a setting up tonight is just setting up the agency, and so many more of these conversations will happen when we get to the actual project that we can stop talking about hypotheticals in those moments and really start talking about the details of that particular deal and why it does or doesn't make sense for you. I'm not sure how you got into parimutuel vetting, but yeah.

I love that. So counsel, this, like they said, just creates that shell in which one you can act.

And it's Well, we back to what Stephanie said real quick. We vote for it. We can use it if we want. Yeah. Mhmm. Let's say Or not. Business a comes forward. We like it. We vote for it. It. Business b comes forward a year later or six months later. We don't like it. We vote against it. Yeah. I'm gonna be mad if I'm business b. How do you deal with that?

And how we're talking about showing your poker hand. As soon as you give whatever incentive to business a, now you've shown your poker hand. You've kinda said, well, we'll come down this far. We'll bid with whoever, you know, you know, so that everybody knows that's coming in next. Well last year you gave business a this deal and we want the same deal and so I guess doesn't come down to what they offer the city revenues sales tax or what whatever it is that I mean that you use that as your argument.

It could be that it could be this is the things they gave us. It could be so Eagle Mountain the first project area they created. So they probably had a similar problem that that you had is all of their rooftops were being used for Saratoga Springs to get sales tax drivers. Yeah. And they're like, man, what can we do to approve for them, all their citizens are like, we want a grocery store. We don't wanna drive twenty minutes for a grocer. And so they were like, we could create project area. And then when they created it, they were able to get a Sprouts market. And then what they said is the the RDA board, all of them said, hey. We're only considering doing this because this is our first business that's willing to take a chance on us. This isn't something we're gonna do going forward. So that could be a reason. It could be a like I mentioned with Far West, hey. They also put in a $15,000,000 road. And so if there's an infrastructure cost, you know, something to that, but every city that has an agency has to answer that question. And and the other thing I would say is a lot of times these can be business driven, but they're more you identify an area that you wanna improve. So let's say and I don't know. I'm excited to get to know Hyde Park better. But let's say you have 15 acres. You're like, you would love a business park. Well, then what you would do is you would create a project area, you would have those 15 acres in that boundary, and then you're like, hey, we're incentivizing this business park. That's the purpose of this. And so you as a city can decide, you know, and you you might have a business that say, hey, we you gave this to them. Why are you not giving it to us? And then

we'll help you say it was because they did a, b, and c. Sounds like to me, you could pick winners and and losers that we look at who owns which property, and we say, well, that's uncle so and so, and we're gonna we're gonna put them in a project area and then but not not this other location that's We have to fit our master plan too. The well, yes. We've got a lot of commercial. We got player in that. All kinds of acreage commercial right now and that's zoned that way and and stuff outside of the city that at some point will get annexed in. I just

that same period is driven by a

a business or a development coming into it. We don't just create one and let it dangle out there. Well, that's not what I that's not what I just heard. We could But I heard you'd be creative. One so we can try to bring somebody in. North Logan City did that for their downtown area, and it sat for,

like, a decade, and they didn't have much action on it. You could use it for both purposes. What I would recommend that we do is adopt the hopper approach and create some kind of policy or some kind of framework if that's something that we're worried about. If we're worried about is this gonna be used and abused, let's make a framework to

put some guardrails around it before we use it and it gets abused. Right? So where can we go to learn more about this other than just Google? So can I can I chime in a little bit, though? I'm gonna I'm gonna go off of what mister Sant mentioned about the $15,000,000 road. More often than not in that kind of situation, the $15,000,000 road didn't just benefit that that company. That's where I wanna try to connect the dot with your argument of picking winners and losers. What it likely did for a $15,000,000 road, that's pretty substantial. I don't know a target that needs a $15,000,000 road. What that likely did was it was necessary for a second point of ingress egress for traffic flow because they're coming in first, but actually opened up the opportunity of development that other parcels nearby also would need the $15,000,000 road, and so it's a regional approach. I can understand that someone who wouldn't be a party to this discussion or listening into your YouTube channel or however you disperse this out on the Internet tonight. If they didn't have this kind of conversation, they would think because Target was the only one that came in that example. Well, Target got a $15,000,000 road. No. They didn't. They were just the first ones that came to that development. But for us to develop a whole 150 acres, we were gonna need that $15,000,000 road. We just said rather than wait until until ten years after Target came and then some other secondary retail came and the congestion is just terrible and out of control, we're gonna put the road in now upfront, and we're gonna use this mechanism. And the other 150 acre parcels, they're also going to develop. But to your point, you may not also give another incentive to that project area during the time that you're paying back yourself for the $15,000,000 road. Because it sounds like we're giving it for Target, but, really, you may induce Target to build it at the same time as their development, but it's gonna be your road. It's the public's road. It's not Target's road. And so, again, it comes down to policy, a regional kind of approach even if at first, it doesn't seem like a region is benefiting.

So thing things that we've been looking at I mean, we took a page out of the inland port things that they we look at the CapEx. How much are they investing in the community? What's they invested in infrastructure? What's their median pay for the employees are gonna have their that means they're bringing something to our community. You know, longevity, what's your overall business model and plan for success? These are all things. How did they invest back into a community? These are all things that we've kinda we had them written out there on the board, but, trying to come up with the guidelines. It's not on any one parcel. It's on what does it bring to the community, and does it work for the Hyde Park City as well as for the business? If it's building the Taco Bell, that may not be the one that hits everything that you want. But if they're building a big pad with 27 buildings and a hotel and things like that, that might that might be something else. So it it's but you I saw in here that you can you can create the ground rules. You create the bylaws on which you function and how you do things. Yeah. You may have this agency, but you don't meet these guidelines. Thanks. And I think if if you're doing small things like that, you're gonna get rejected at the county or school area. You it's it's an area that they want to that you want to send them by. It's not unless you got a grocery store. You know? That might be something that you want wanna do, but a little sandwich shop may to me wouldn't hit that hit that bill.

I think it would make sense for Hyde Park to have this tool with the policy that guide guided us, like, as we enter it. It needs to check these boxes for us to enter into this type of an agreement.

So it it it is before you and and obviously more discussion, but you can make a motion to approve, disapprove, or continue, or it just dies on the vine too.

I I just request that because even your comment there just confused me a little bit. Who develops the policies? Is it the city, or is it You. The CRA? The board. Well, that's what I'm saying. But we it's not we. I want I want we are the city council right now. We're not the CR. Well, it's the board. You I know that, but we've we are separate Right. Entities. So I just I just wanna make sure. So who's developing the policy? It's the CRA. It's is it the city staff? Are they We have a lot of experience standing right here that has And my request would be is that before we have these conversations or it comes up, mayor, and and we're gonna vote on something that's gonna impact Hyde Park, that we get a read ahead or see for an agency that doesn't exist. I I want what's that? You wanna create policy for an agency that No. I wanna I wanna understand better what it is we're talking about before I show up here so that I have a better understanding of of what I'm gonna be voting on, and I have I just you know, like a little read ahead. I I mean, to me, there's significance here. Who develops the policy that we're talking about? Because we talk so often about we're gonna do this and that, and we get around to it or maybe we don't get around to it. Does Marcus, Mikel, do are they gonna develop the policy? Because I really want need to understand. So I I don't need to have all the answers now. I wanna know where I can go to find the answers, and I won't take any more time Sure. To know. Yeah. I agree. Much love Yeah. This. Okay. That's what I need to know. So you will help us develop the policy for this. Yes. Okay. So I don't need to have them do more stuff than they're already doing.

Thank you. What we did I'll give you the hooper example. And that was one where they did it was a city policy, and the city adopted it, and the RDA board adopted it. And then what we did is we had two work sessions where we sat down with the council, the RDA board, and we said, okay. What do you want in your policy? And we helped guide that discussion. K. This I currently help about 25 agencies. So something I'm well versed in, and I I help them create project areas. I help do feasibility studies. I I help do a lot of these things. And so we're your experts that will help you in a work session decide, hey, what's the best policy? But tonight, it's just do we create the agency and then that policy discussion is a great one, and we'll we'd have it a later date.

K. Thank you. I think we have some really great guidance as of tonight's discussion to know where that policy framework after the, like, the skeleton of it. For your consideration, we're helping it it has helped inform us, like, like, the very first workshop we would have with you as to based upon some of the elements that were brought up in this meeting that we referred to in the future, you know, in a past tense sort of way. This is what we feel we got more important. Here are some other options, like a cafeteria plan from other examples that we both can say we've been a part of. What do you like further about these and develop it from there? Mhmm. To that point, it's like it's like realize tonight is like realizing you need a car. You're on the lot. You know you're gonna buy a car. You're likely to use it, but you'll determine as a family when you're gonna use the car versus when you're gonna walk. And we're gonna have the process of the next several months figuring out policy that would be like, well, do I want the undercarriage protection? Do I want black interior versus tan or whatever else? And, you know, this is just the first in a in a process of steps. It's not the end all be all. Yep.

Do you guys mainly do commercial type things, or do you also get involved with residential?

Correct, ma'am. So everything, commercial, industrial, and residential are all tools that people projects that people use this tool for.

The state even has requirements that some portion of

of project area would need to be used for low to moderate income housing. Yeah. It's really broad what you could use it for. The 10% of the funds are set aside for a floor. Again, at your discretion. Yep. How you use it?

So so tonight, we're agreeing to buy the tool. And by buying the tool, we will go to work on the policy, and we kinda understand that. Yep. So

How how to use it? Once we hit policy,

it's still gonna be quite a while before we get something before us. And when we have something before us, it's gonna look a lot different in our conversation tonight because we're gonna be looking at it from the city standpoint, what's in it for our city, what's in it for our patrons. Yep. But we can also say no. Correct? Yeah. Correct. I move to we approve Apartment 2026 Dash 13.

I'll second it. Got the motion from her to approve ordinance 2026 Dash 13, ordinance creating the Hyde Park Community Reinvestment Agency, and a second by Stephanie. Any additional discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Nay. Motion care mo motion. Carries four to one, and we need to record. You already know who the one is. Yep. I wrote down. K. Thank you. We'll be back before you with those guidance. Okay. The next item is considered ordinance twenty twenty six dash 10, our ordinance amending title 12 to review the standard land use development definitions. And Kyle did a fantastic job at the planning commission with this.

So I'd look for.

I I agree wholeheartedly with other than I don't like the shall thing. It's like, why can't we just define what shall means and move on from Yes. I I what? Another time. Anyway.

Do you Five minute recess.

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to to to to to

I'm I'm taking five minutes. So second.

Well, I mean, I'll second it. What he ended up firing.

He's never done it before. You can keep taking You can keep taking working. Six of eight. Yeah. Yes. So this is

Yes. Before. I mean, I'm I'm set early. So I had a eons to do.

They're gonna be they're gonna be coming in.

So Excuse me now. Office right here has something to think. Yeah. We don't have any much information. Sure. Okay.

I don't think I should touch that.

Sorry. Can I still keep? Yes.

K.

Oh, we could do this. You know? They're like, oh, you know?

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Yeah. No. You're good. I was just really warm on this. Looks like you lost us. But how many minutes did we adjourn for? Twenty? What was the gist? Five. Five. Oh. We're right. We're right. Eight, generally. That noise is crazy. So if we get Tiffany up here, we're ready. I know. I'm

just good. Okay.

Let's go. Alright.

We're gonna keep going on. We'll reconvene, and we'll we'll turn it over to Kyle. I think we'll turn it over to you, aren't we? Yeah. Sorry. I was unmuting the the live stream.

Okay. So we are considering ordinance twenty twenty six ten to revise and standardize land use and development definitions. So these first definitions are on accessory dwelling unit, internal accessory dwelling unit, and detached dwelling unit. We are modifying them to be consistent with state code. In addition, the planning commission recommended that we add a phrase at the end of detached accessory dwelling unit that clarifies the purpose of offering long term rental. In addition, we are, defining retail sales establishment. This is to reduce extraneous language in our land use table that lists all of the different examples of uses, and instead, we'll refer them to the definition section itself. And finally, we want to standardize the format of the definition section. Each title of Hyde Park municipal code uses a different format for the definitions. And so we want to make this consistent with the state's guidelines on what a definition section should look like. It is of note that the planning commission gave a unanimous, favorable recommendation of this ordinance. Thank you.

Thank you. So this just adds some better clarity on some definitions and gets us in compliance with state. So Looks good to me. Yep. Thank you. So I appreciate it. Yep. The effort and time. I think this Oh. I was gonna say the planning commission had quite some discussion on this, and I appreciate the effort they have on this too. And, Kyle as well. He's spent a lot of time pulling this together. So

May, are you ready for a motion? Yeah. I am. This is gonna for an email. To a shock to everybody. But I think the motion that we Not approve? We approve that. Oh, the oh, here.

Oh. I'll second that motion.

Just a minute. Be still And I guess we need to put the what it is. Be still my heart. Be still my heart. Be still my heart. Oh, sorry. 262026 dash 10. We have a motion from Daryl to approve High Park City ordinance 26 that twenty twenty six ten amending title 12 to to revise the standardized land use development definitions and a second by Tiffany. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay. Motion carries five zero. So the next item is to consider ordinance twenty twenty six dash 11 and ordinance amending title 12 to close applications and zoning maps, amendments for r two and mixed MXD zones and the repeal of the RT zone. Kyle, you wanna take this one too? I'd love to. I mean, you would.

The planning commission and city council, in the past have voiced concern that the objectives of the residential to mixed use and residential transition zones have not been achieved in practice. As such, ending development in these zones as well as preventing related zoning amendments would allow for more discussion around the few future of these zones. Because there are no vested developments using the residential transition zones site development standards, the RFT zone can be repealed. Excuse me. And, again, it is of note that the planning commission gave a unanimous favorable recommendation of this ordinance. Thank you.

I I would say on this that a developer that's trying to get into our process, he keeps struggling, and I don't remember if it's

It's Zinn.

Jake? Is that who it was? I can't remember.

No.

Your friend with the five star roundabout.

Oh, is is it him? I He's in. He completed his after school. The the biggest challenge is I didn't want to have anybody that's trying that has been rejected at some level Right. To be excluded. So I wondered about the effectivity on that.

Everybody's vested that is in the that has been in the queue. I did reach out to one developer who had a subdivision planned for the RT zone whose application was incomplete and said in the R 2 yes. Sorry. In the R 2 zone, whose application was incomplete, he came in. He got me the documents we needed. His application was complete. He paid his fee, and he's vested. Was that who it was, the soft fish?

Yes.

Yeah. And so

nobody's being cut out of a process at this point. We we made a a valiant effort to try to make sure everybody who who had an application even close to being done had the opportunity to get done. What this would do is close those new subdivision applications just for the R 2 zone, mixed use, and then we're gonna send RT back to its parent zoning so that we don't have those split zoned parcels like we talked about in our discussion on this one.

May I ask a couple questions, Mara? Absolutely. So I I know that I've heard a lot that the developers don't like this zone. But when we created it, that was kinda what the citizens wanted.

The MXD or the R 2? R 2. Okay. Our transition.

Sure. And so are we doing away with this because we wanna try to please the developers to give them a different I I just don't wanna go away from it. We went through all this process to to get to where we were. And so and and I've watched them come in and say we doesn't pencil to have these residential properties here. And I guess I'm not really that concerned about that. I'm more concerned about what we want our community to look like and what maybe Melinda can speak about how what you wanna do with this area in place of this.

So next steps are to create our zones that are gonna take the place of these things. Our low density residential, and you better jump in when you need to, medium density residential, high density residential, and centralized Center. Centered dense we're still workshopping that name. So that we can offer different densities for residential development in the city and not have that commercial requirement. That way, we're gonna preserve our commercial for strictly commercial purposes. I think the MXD was a great start, but through discussions with planning commission and yourselves, it's been determined that we need to split those things up and that we need to provide opportunities for those townhomes or different densities that don't have the restrictions that come with the commercial because that's what the developers wanna do is provide us more homes, but not be tied to the commercial. So we'll preserve our commercial. We'll give more variety of housing to the developers and still work within what we see as the vision for this So so are we thinking that

on the East Side of Wolfpackway, some partway up is gonna be commercial zone, and then east of that will be a little

We're we're gonna bring all of those zones before you, including the future land use map so that you can make those determinations on behalf of your constituents. We're not gonna make that decision. We're gonna bring that as discussion and workshop for planning commission and city council to make that decision. K. So

in listening to your planning meeting where you talked a lot about this Thank you for listening. Some of it is going back to a one,

which I thought we didn't want acre lots. Well, it will for now because we can't just pick a zone for someone Yeah. Willy nilly. Right? And so the the natural order of this would be to let or to direct the split zone parcels

be the same zone across the board Yeah. Where they came from. So we we don't when we do away with the zoning, we don't just because the zoning is going away, it doesn't necessarily mean that whatever is zoned as that reverts to something else because we did the way with if we did the way with a one, do we now change all of these homes that are a one to something else? It stays exactly the way it is. Yes.

It stays the way it is until we make those changes. Right. And till a property owner wants it. Right? Okay. So by leaving the ordinances on or the development standards on the books for now because there are properties that are going to continue to exist like that. So r two will have to stay. MXD will have to stay. But RT has no development in it. We don't Nobody's nobody wants. And so that's the only one that can be repealed because it has nothing to govern those standards.

And I think we can still be mindful because kind of the residential transition zone was created to protect the neighborhoods. Mhmm. And I we can still be mindful of that as we Yes. Moving forward. Need a reason residential

there. Is that right?

You guys will decide. But that's kinda the vision or your thought. Like a medium density or a higher density? Mhmm. Okay. Weren't you is Thanks. As I understand,

Marcus said that you guys were working on that thought process of that mixed residential, and that is that would be a great thing.

We wanna we wanna provide choices. Right? That's what having property is about is is being able to have choices of what you wanna do with it to to a degree. And so we wanna provide opportunity, provide choices,

and still house everybody's kids and grandkids into the future. No. Melinda about fell out of the chair when I said that. It's just from me. So alright. And I I don't even remember the guy's name, but thank you for being mindful of him and reaching out to that guy. Absolutely. So, counsel, this is before you to amend our two MXD zones and to repeal RT on the ordinance twenty twenty six dash 11.

I move that we pass ordinance twenty twenty six dash 11.

Got a motion from Stephanie. Is there a second? I'll second. A second from Dave. Any more discussion?

I'm this might come to shock to you too because I'm I'm probably gonna vote for this, but under the condition that we are gonna have that vision of what you're talking about

going forward. Are you guys kind of thinking the point to Yeah. Yeah. What what vision we think would ought to be, not necessarily what the health is Okay. Should be. She'll have some recommendations.

Yeah. The city council will impatiently wait for these other

zones. The longer or the more help I have into the future, the faster it can happen.

It's worth mentioning that the LDR zone will be presented as a discussion item next week week at planning commission. So we've already begun constructing these site development standards, and they're already underway to go through the process.

Good deal. That's excellent. So we got the motion in the second. Any more discretion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Motion carries five zero. The next item is to consider the RFP, responses for the Hyde Park City active transportation transportation and parks plan. And that's why Lisa has held out to she paid for the whole seat, but she's waiting to the end of the movie. So council, we had a discussion in open session workshop. Do you have more discussion that you want to have amongst counsel, or is anybody ready to make a motion?

So do we have one of the, applicants here? Is that right? I do not believe so. Oh, okay. But you're anxious to find out?

You're anxious to be at the end. Well, she's with the captain here. So Okay. Yeah. The folks from the county

community development office have been helping me a lot with this whole process. So I imagine Lisa wants to see how this all turns out.

K. So right. Super.

So, yeah, to recap the work session that we had earlier, there's a lot of discussion about different pros and cons. It sounds like everybody agrees these are four very good proposals. And at this point, we are just choosing from one of the good proposals. I don't think there was one that was deemed to be bad out of the group. And so, counsel, I guess, I'll turn it to you. Is there discussion about yeah. Just like the mayor said, are we ready to make a motion? Is this something that needs more discussion? Where are you at?

I wonder what our priorities are. Is it the timeline?

We feel like with the points assigned, like, does that reflect how the council feels about choosing the we award it to? Do you feel like the quality of the proposal and the team qualifications are more important than the cost and the timeline? Or

Yeah. The grading sheet was not established as the official method for selection. It was a way to get everybody thinking about it. And so if we

some of those things more, does that change where they fall for you? You know?

That's just a thought I What what does the staff feel like is the most weighty matter?

For us, when we went through here, our biggest thing that we looked at is management approach and technical approach, mostly because the other items were very similar. What set people apart was how they're going to complete the analysis, how they're gonna involve the public, and how they're gonna come up with the ways or how they're gonna come up with the plans. That was what were the differentiating factors for us. And so the reason so our staff recommendation, just to reiterate for the council meeting, is to go with SE Group. And, really, it's because they had a lot of detail on how they're gonna involve our residents in a feedback process. They're gonna have digital formats for input. They're going to have open houses. They maybe didn't have the breadth of experience, but their proposal showed that they had done a lot of research on Hyde Park and our situation and our current status of our plans. And so we felt like they had the most, attention and care in responding and showing that they're gonna be very involved in getting input from city council and the residents in crafting the plan.

I I do like the idea of having a fresh fresh face.

Do we open ourselves? I guess the pro the risk is there, but higher low when you everyone meets the criteria and you don't go with the low bid.

In this case, the RFP didn't guarantee that we would go with the low bid. So there were lots of factors the city would consider, and it wasn't just going to be based on price for timeline. So while those could be determining factors, they do not have to be the only determining factor in selecting a consultant.

Well, I I'm just concerned about potential litigation when quite honestly, all four of them probably could do it. Now do they get it done in the timeline that you want? And, you know, there's you said that SC Group has all of the ways to public outreach. Others are less expensive, do it sooner, and you can add things in because you are under budget of what you have for a grant. So I I wanna clarify something. Go ahead, man. Go ahead. I'm

Just look at my scoring here. A comment I made during the working group. One of my concerns is I looked at SC's proposal is I saw that they had done this the county trails and active transportation master plan back in 2018, and then nothing between 2018 and and 2026. And I'm thinking, is this a brand new organization? Is you know? So so in the two minutes between the working session and this, I got on the Internet, and SC group has been around for I think it was since 1958. They have a worldwide presence. You know, their proposal just didn't show. Here's where all of our other offices are around, you know, the Western US or around the world. So Right. I feel much more comfortable now that and even perhaps they're gonna show us maybe who their local office staff is. But, you know, certainly, they would probably do kind of what I would expect our local sunrise Sunday. You know, from to do, they would reach to Saint George or wherever to get their parks experts just as SC group. It's more than just Everybody else. A handful of people that I thought were like, oh, there's not much going on there, and they haven't done much recently. So, anyway, just I understand, man. To clarify that I feel much better about kind of that comment that I made earlier. And that was kind of my thinking as I read through all of them is just like, what is the information that they didn't include or that they just assume we already know? Or I feel like there is a lot

of, like, room gray area that maybe isn't outlined in those proposals that you might get more from one or another that they don't necessarily talk about. So I think it's hard that's hard for me to say this is the best. You know? They Yeah. Like SC Group or Sunrise because they're more affordable. Like, that's kind of Another common thread in all the proposals is

they all want to have some kind of stakeholder steering committee meeting to kick off the project. So, yeah, we they're responding based on what we said we wanted, but maybe during those kickoff meetings, we decide that we're taking it at maybe a little different direction. We want to focus more on one particular aspect of it or maybe their methodology makes it so it's gonna be more effective to be a little different than the proposal. That's all of the proposals built that into their scope to have some kind of kickoff meeting, some kind of starting process where they would meet with the city council and have, you know, time to say, why are we doing this? What do you want to get out of it?

I would say in my experience, in my career with bids and things like that, the the RFP has to stand on its own. Actually, in my old life, it was against federal law to go out and research companies to find out more about them. The RFP stands by itself, but that was doing federal stuff for them.

Them. That's that's good to know. So

evaluate them for what they are

and Right. It kinda goes back to we know that Sunrise Engineering is doing a lot of things for the county and for the city, but the fact that they've responded to the proposal means that they're confident they could do it. Just like every company, the fact that they submitted a proposal with a timeline and a budget means that they are confident they can do it regardless. Even JUB, we had don't have a great experience. The word on the street is they're slow. They're saying they can complete it within this time frame. So that's what we have to judge them. You said any one of them probably could do it now.

Are they gonna be as responsive? Do you know

Mhmm.

Hit everything. It it's

So, again, it's a tight race. The staff recommendation comes from myself, Michael, and also we do have the city attorney review and give us a a grading, and he agreed that SC Group would be a good choice. And that would be he didn't feel like we would face any sort of legal risk choosing them as the best proposal.

Is the timeline the same? I'm sorry. I don't know this. Is the timeline the same for both SC Group and Sunrise?

Like I believe SC Group was one month slower Yes. Than Sunrise was. I think they were, like, April and then May. I Yeah. They're they were gonna have it delivered to us by the end of May, and Sunrise was proposing to have it to us by April. In April. So So the timeline's similar.

My perspective, I've I've I've narrowed them down to those two. I mean, so and feel good that I mean, the recommendations that we heard from both the mayor and the staff kinda match that where, you know, they're those two were at the top of of both of them. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Just go them backwards for them. So Mhmm. Well, and and again, it's a staff recommendation. I'm I'm not gonna

storm out in a fit because we don't choose the one that we recommend. They're both good proposals. I'm just letting you know that that's the one that we feel like was that had the best response to the RFP that we submitted.

So I think that goes back to Stephanie's question. If we've narrowed it down to two, I don't know. Because you guys haven't said what you feel like are your top two. But then what are what are most important, like, categories that we wanna be in? Right? Is one fit better than the other? Like, is it timeline? Is it cost? Is it the community engagement? Is it does that make a difference in how in what we would decide? What are you guys'

Well, I I mean, SC, I mean, I think I had them probably towards the top end. I guess one of the things is, of course, I'm kinda worried about money a lot. But so I think Sunrise kinda knows us a little bit, and I don't think they're gonna develop a plan that's gonna be kind of over the top on really expensive designs and stuff like that.

So

but I guess I I wouldn't I've to me, if you went with s e, I'm not gonna storm out of here, Matt, either. Oh, what was that girl on the It says if if we select s e, I'm not gonna storm out of here, Matt, either. And maybe it will turn out to be amazing, but he so I don't know. But

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I think as Sunrise done a done a great job, and I go almost weekly to those meetings and interact with them. And I think they're they're responsive. You know, they're they're they're on it. But at the same time, you know, kind of, mayor, to your point, you know, I shouldn't look outside the proposal to see what else SC does. I would just look in the proposal, but I know a lot about Sunrise that's not in the proposal. Right? So, you know, I felt like, yeah, I know what they're capable of because they they they do it for the city every day. It's a dual edge sword. Yeah. Yeah. Hotel. Yeah.

Because they have everything on us, but then they have everything on us. So what do we do? So counsel?

Just a quick comment. This is really difficult because what you've said is, I think, is true too. They're all good. Yeah. So can we go wrong? I am not sure, but I lean towards Sunrise just because more physically than anything, but I could live with either one of them. So

Hindsight's a great detector of what you did wrong. So a year from now, you'll know.

Yeah. Well, maybe you don't.

Okay. Well, thank you, Kirk. We would like to get this moving at some Mayor, Melinda has something to say. Oh, Melinda. Yes. Planning chair.

And it's probably not fair to speak to this. I did not go through each of those proposals. But just tonight, I did pull up the SE and saw Dayton on there. And so you talk about Sunrise knowing our city. We've worked with Dayton before. Yep. So also knows our city because he used to be a planner at the county. So Dayton would also know. Yep. We're not big spenders. He knows the trail system that we have. He knows about the canals. Like, I feel like that's kind of a local guy too. Yep. Well, and I even think like the idea of fresh eyes.

Mhmm. And I think even Sunrise addressed the fact that because they know the city and familiar with the city, they have already have, like, a a parks inventory. They already have some of that stuff because they've done other things for the city. So, therefore, they shouldn't be charging as much money to come and do a parks inventory or something that they already know. So I think, you know, that what what Gerald and Kirk are talking about on the fiscal side, well, they come in lower because they already have information. Because we've already paid a But we've already paid them for what,

you know yeah. So I would I would also add that as what Melinda said Listen. The BSC, I think, started with Dayton, didn't it? Yeah. That's It's so

I think our entire city trail plan started with

work that Dayton and Charles Wheeler did. We did a lot. Yeah. I mean, sure. The only problem is we haven't done much. We still going through town and really what's going on. Daryl, hold on. Talk to him. I can need my seat belt. Okay. I like this. Carol, to be really proactive. I am. I love it.

I kinda came down hard on that other issue, but so I would propose that we accept the SE bid SE group for this.

I'll second it. Okay. I got the got a motion to accept SE group as the I gotta get back to my agenda. I was reading something else here. As the RFP for the Hyde Park City active transportation parks plan, and a second from Kirk. Any more discussion? All in favor, say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed with nay? Motion carried five zero. Okay.

Hey. Now so Staff, we're supporting you on this. So Thank you. We can help you. That.

So the next step is, like, I'll be reaching out to SE Group to let them know that we would like them to form the study for us, and then I'll get a contract written up and sent over to them. And then we'll get it grouped up. Before before we

announce it all out, let's although it's here in public record, get a meeting with them and make sure that they can meet on all of those deliverables that they're that they're saying so they can live up to the contract, then then we can do the contract award. The next items is really important, so pay attention. Consider resolution twenty twenty six dash 16. We have to have this one. A resolution defining the game of chance to be used in the event of a tie with a three or more candidate in midterm election. So I suggested that we use the youth council's spending rule lap table. But I think that thing's weighted.

So Anyway, Marcus has Yeah. This is a really exciting business. So since the mayor has decided that we're gonna be having a midterm election, the the state code used to say there was a coin toss. I I guess somebody had a problem with the coin toss because they changed the state code to say, we still have to do a game of lots, but the city council gets to decide what that game's gonna be. And so the recommendation that we as city staff have that's 100 year old. Least the most equitable we could think of was drawing straws. What we picture is we'll get pack of popsicle sticks from the craft store, paint colors on the very bottom, put in some kind of cup with a cover on it so you can't see into the cup, and then people can draw their straws. How about we we just had this game out from the shed out there, connect four. We could do a game with connect four.

Plinko.

So that's our that's the recommendation. I don't see the ordinance in box. I think, Don, you may have forgotten to upload it for all of us, but that's the recommendation that we have it be the drawing of straws. Is that even how possible is it that three people tie? Depends on how many people put in for the job. But, I mean, if if if we get to it and there's 10 people and all the city council votes for one person, that's five people. Oh, yeah. So then you would have to do something to narrow it down to three, and then you'd do the process again.

Well, in the event of a tie, doesn't the mayor still get to vote? Yeah. But, like, break for the sixth person.

Yeah. So on the off chance that there is a tie, we would like the city council to designate the drawing of straws as the game of lots where we will break the tie.

Still that we do that. I still like the 100 yard there. But

I just wanna ask a question because this is peep well, we're we're talking about a midterm election, but this really isn't an election. It's an appointment, or is that just a term that the state That's just term in the state code. It's called a midterm

election, but, really, it's somebody who's chosen by the city council to fill the seat just fill the vacancy.

Mayor, how long is your left on your term?

About two weeks.

So tomorrow morning You're in it. Tomorrow tomorrow morning, we will send out a a message on social media that a vacancy for the mayor's seat will be opening, and we're accepting applications starting tomorrow. We'll send another message on Monday in case people don't check the website or social media because we know they don't. And then the people will have two weeks where that will be open. After two weeks, we'll close it. We send those applications to the council for review, and then there will be a selection process, including a little mini job interview type setting here at the council meeting on August. Like twelve seven in August when he came on. At the end of the night on August 12, mayor Cox will be done and mayor, whoever's gonna take his place, will will I said that tentative. It's just a matter of when that person gets sworn in.

Right. And, you know, if they don't wanna get sworn in till the morning, that's okay too. But I intended on that person gets sworn in that night, I go home.

K. We'll we'll bring our That's Have Danya bring her certificate.

See what question you get. Thanks.

There you go. Oh, and part of the application we are sending out is, a list of questions that we want each candidate to consider when they put their name in so that we'll give the council some more. Consider they will submit answers? Yeah. They we want them to submit answers with the application. Okay. And then the interview questions we'll do here at the council meeting will be different than those. But we wanted to give a chance for people to think about what they wanna do and why they wanna run for office. And so, yeah, that'll be part of the K. The process for putting in there submitting your name for the position.

Okay. K. Quick question. What happens if nobody What's in? Wants to to do it? I need it. You'll

second that motion for turn. No.

I I don't know. You're kidding. If nobody puts their name in, we'll have to start calling people and asking them really nicely if they wanna get yelled at all the time.

Yeah. I know. Good sign. It cannot happen. That's very true. Yeah.

That's fine. Which which just as Frank's gonna apply. Just and just as we close, I would say, I believe well, I know that the mayor ran unopposed this last fall, so that would be an indicator. Thank you, mayor. Yes. But And I'll move that we or did you move make the notion? Yes. Was it oh, neat. I second that the Kurt would be the Well, I was talking I was talking about the the the real one. Yeah. Yeah. Council member Allred

made a motion. I think it was an official motion To approve to approve.

The drawing of straws is our game of lots. I'll second it. Okay. Okay. Motion to approve

resolution twenty twenty six sixteen to finding a game of chance in the event of a tie, and a second from David. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay. Motion carried five zero. We're at the point for discussion items. Kurt, do you have anything you want to bring up? No. Just hats off to everybody

on this last weekend. Lots of good comments. People love it.

Yes. You guys do a great job.

Stephanie. Yeah. Thank you, Stephanie. I got some suggestions from one, but I'll do that another thing. Yeah.

Yeah. So I would just like to report that the couple who was the grand marshal absolutely loved their ride, and they got to see people from the city they haven't seen in a long time and That's good. A lot of yell outs. And even though we had to use a skid loader to load the data up, he made the trip and got in there and got out safe. Oh, good. Good deal.

Pleased. A great guy. So that was good. So thank you.

Tiffany.

We had a brief meeting with homeownership for you, and they wanna have a workshop with the council. They'll be sending out some information to kind of explain their business model. I think I already sent it out. Oh, you guys yeah. That's true. You did send it out. A letter that Yeah. So did you guys see it? So we can talk about it outside of this if you have questions. That meeting we went to down at the the literature. It is the same guy. Okay. And he's looking at the the can I say that it's We we had a meeting to talk about one of the projects happening along Wolfpack Way? They're looking at potentially buying up some of the units and doing

a homeownership

project there, but it's all kind of up in the air. Yeah. And if we will participate or not. So if you guys have questions about that. Is is our part, like, on

impact Yes. Fees or sales? Yeah. They're they're asking for

city participation at some level, either waiving of fees or delaying of fees. There's a couple things they're proposing, but we can probably if you wanna have a work session with them. Yeah. Okay. So that's happening. And then our

well, I don't know. Our front porch group will be meeting August 13, and we're having a we're calling it plant pounding and potluck. So it's gonna be plant pounding and potluck. So we're celebrating summer. It's an art. Oh. It's an art. You pound plants into fabric and it dyes the fabric. It's like an art project. Yeah. Come learn something new and have a potluck and get to know your neighbors.

So we hope to see you all there. When you pound the clamps into the fabric, are they wearing the fabric? Wearing? When you pound them.

Yeah. You're not wearing it when the neck means pound them. Neck will pound them. We're not wearing August 1. August 13. The second Thursday.

Is that oh, afternoon? It's from ten to noon. So it's the morning after we choose a new mayor. It is. It would be the next morning. I think there's a police commission that night too. There is Yes. Session meeting. Are we all invited to that pre I I got an email about it, but I didn't know if we were all invited. I haven't. That make him I just saw it, and I'm like They're celebrating the mayor prior to the police commission meeting. Right.

If you got the invite, then you're invited.

Okay. I guess. So I'm not I don't know. Never been.

Stephanie.

Yes. Just thank you to you Thank you. For Awesome. I I had a lot of help this year, and I appreciate so much. Everybody did their jobs, and it just lightened the load. I I so appreciate it. Yes. I I'm trying to enjoy this year's city celebration. I know some things that went wrong, and I've been focusing on those. So

I'm gonna try to be happy, though. Well, I'll say that, usually, we get one or two, not necessarily complaints, but comments about how it could be improved. Oh. I had none this year. So

Wow. Great words. People really loved it. It's definitely the setup. You did a great job. The car show was great. Yeah. Yeah. I loved it. Yeah. That was wild. Show landed just a great job with that. I think Laurie went to pray Mhmm. Everything, all their music, being able to sit back. It was it was a good deal.

It's a good day.

Thank you. We lived there. We held out for us. It was I know. How did I start Saturday? I mean, I mean, the the moments

those scuds you ordered. Yeah. You ordered the the clouds and the overcast. Not the mugginess, but not the humidity. But One or the other.

Dave. Yes. Marcus and I met, had a Zoom call with the slow the flow. Slow the flow. There's a folder inbox. Please look at it. Yeah. It's got lots most of what's in there are the handouts they provided us. I actually made some handouts and did a little sandwich board, and we started part of on the with quite a few people. Only one person basically said, well, there's all the water in the world out there, and I'm gonna use it. But everybody else was was was pretty good about it. It was just a good way to interact with people people who are generally positive. One of the we in fact, there were two meetings this week, and one of them had to do with how we could apply some of those principles on city property and really had to do with with the nine eleven day of service. And the conversation centered around it, but I I don't know that we've talked about it yet. But if you wanna take it, mark us from here. But Yeah. So Slow the Flow is looking to do potentially do a project

in partnership with the city to have somewhere in the community where we could do a water wise landscaping project. So what we're looking at right now is doing all the park strips around the city building, looking at transforming it from turf grass into xeriscape, but xeriscape that's pretty to look at, and people enjoy being around it, not just rocks. I did look at a couple preliminary designs today from them. I have some feedback I sent back trying to get, some things tweaked, and they wanna put out a little RFP to see if they can get some contractors who would want to participate. Essentially, what we would look at is having a contractor come out and do the hard work of, you know, maybe tearing out the turf grass and installing some of the rock and the landscape fabric. But what they real would really like to do is get the community involved in coming out and planting the plants and learning about drip irrigation and finding out how xeriscape can work and be functional and not be intimidating or ugly. So that's TBD right now. The date they are looking at is Saturday, September 19. That's the day they're targeting right now to come out and do a service project. I guess there's a the week of service now. It's a week of service, and that's the week of service Yeah. This year. So

K. Thank you. In fact, I Gary Anderson, who is kind of the area just serve guy Mhmm. Reached out to me, and we're gonna have some more conversations. But I told him we're kinda thinking about this, and and one of the comments was is that, yeah, they they just this is this year Past years, the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints has taken lead on the projects and this year they're looking for communities and municipalities, other organizations to do that. And they, a lot of the other municipalities are using the website just serve to find day of service opportunities, and Hyde Park has a big fat. We we don't have any from the city on there. I had some last year when we were doing those monthly, you know, Saturday service projects and got very little response. But I just throw that out as and and, you know, that's less than two months away. So there's some work to be done. But if if you could think of some things, whether you know, whatever it is, it could be in addition maybe to

this flip the strip effort that that we could do. Maybe we could put the a link or whatever in the newsletter

to just serve if we get some things out there. And especially if there's some Hyde Park. Yeah. That's what I mean, before we put the link, let's come up with some service projects in town. There's probably a half a dozen of them that that we could put on there. And I'm happy to kinda work that and lead that. I'm gonna be interacting with him. So if you have ideas, send them my way, and I'll I'll put them on to you, sir. So mayor Peterson

from North Logan reached out to all the mayors. She's she is the head of the mayor's association, And I think there's somebody at the county that is coordinating service projects, and they wanted to know what was going on in the city. And I reached out in to what I knew on the church of Jesus Christ Latter day Saints, they had done it before, and they responded that they're not doing it. So that's kind of in line with what you're saying. But if we have an activity, then it needs to flow down from us, not not from the church. So

And and in fact, one of them that came up when we had the old timers gathering here around the monument. Larry went went for a visit. He one of the things he mentioned was, you know, if this thing were cleaned up out here, it would look like an audit look. And so that would be one the first thing we could I could put on there is just, hey. We're looking for any group that would come and,

you know, clean. Focused around the city office building because you could do the monument, the strip, the community garden.

There's yeah. Yeah. There's that. So love how people here invested in things that we're trying to promote as the city. I don't know. That's an idea. Monument. You wanna make sure you do it right. Oh, well, yeah. Absolutely. Where you said he would come down and supervise and make sure we have the right materials, and I'm gonna make sure that he knows you called him an old timer.

Is there any landscaping that needs to be done around our new building? Sorry. What was that, girl? Any landscaping that needs to be done around our new building? Not right now. Okay. Yeah. It's it's all pretty simple. More. Blah blah blah. We

do need help with the community garden, though. I have to have that, like Dirt's off the end. Point by the by September. That's September.

I I hear there's lots of dirt down at Legacy Park. Yeah. We've got a lot of the top topsoil.

Alright. Let's let's get that done then. Anything else? No. That's it. Thank you, mayor. Marcus, have you got anything? I I said I would ask a question. Council, you received an email from me tonight as did Marcus and Mikhail. I have not received the intent of doing the DRC was the intent with the city is to try and get things ready to go to planning commission so that they're everything is is in order. It would help expedite the process so that it's not just going through spinning wheels at at planning commission. I have not had a single person that has developed or will develop in Hyde Park that says, gosh. I am sure glad that DRC meets behind the closed door, and it speeds it up. I I recognize that the the policy was changed to the city council help vote on that policy. I would recommend that policy be changed back, have it be open so that developers are not waiting. They can get it firsthand from the meeting. They shouldn't be waiting for an email. It it's not working the way that we want it to work or it should be working, at least from those that are using that process. We may, as a city, may think it's functioning. Right? But those that have to use it will tell you a very different story.

Well, now would they be invited to the meeting Yeah. To just listen, or can they speak also? Because I feel like if they they come maybe it's something like this where they just listen. Because if they're going to speak, then it's

gonna take DRC a lot longer. Or speak if they're called upon, like, whoever's conducting DRC. Because I think it's, like, the same as us. We should listen to the planning commission meeting so we're informed, and we can make better decisions, and we can move forward with the things that need to happen. And I think the developers experience the same thing. If they have an ear to the conversation, they don't necessarily have to have a voice at the table. But if they can listen to what was discussed, might help them execute better the expectations or the corrections that need to be them to meet the standards

before they submit paperwork because a lot of what I hear in the DRC is look at all these red lines that they still haven't answered over and over and over again and we're tired of holding their stinking hands. Yeah. But they're gonna wait they're gonna wait another week to get that email back. They're gonna But they they shouldn't because they already know that they haven't met the requirements, but they still

expect that Yeah. They I understand that. Agree with you on that. They should have the suite package. Absolutely. Attend DRC. I think it was helpful to have the developers there.

And I know I know it's not popular with the staff, but then I've got a complaint from I have also been approached by several that are like, why can't we be there? Why can't we hear the discussion?

So two things. You'll see this in the response that we already sent to the mayor. I I did not send that to anybody. Well, that's okay. So this response that we sent back as staff, number one, a lot of the complainers that are coming forward that we are hearing about that are upset that it's taking a long time, they wanna cite state code about how there's deadlines that we have to meet for review processes. That only applies for residential single family developments that meet all the requirements and are trying to go through the process faster. Most of the developments we're looking at right now don't meet those requirements, and they're very complicated. And we're doing our best to do as fast as we can. And so I understand they're upset, and I understand that they wanted to be different, but we're doing what's required by state code and by city code. Point number two, we have opened up the first DRC of the month for public attendance again. So just like we used to do, we used to hold one DRC a month, and that was it. It was open for public attendance. So now we do the one DRC a month open for public attendance, but we still do the other DRCs every week because that has been a good thing to get red lines drawn up and produced and sent back faster. So, sure, any developer could show up the first Tuesday of the month of 09:00, and they can sit and listen to the discussion we Okay. Or

Be on the agenda, though? No. We it's It's a pro

You want or ERC back to you as soon as possible, or do you wanna be on the first meeting?

So they So they get if they get to choose Yep. Then they know that they I feel like that kind of helps because they can say, I want to be in the meeting. I want you to discuss it that first week.

Right? Yeah. Or you're I'm just gonna let it flow through the process. And if I have questions, I'm gonna come back and ask you my questions. And a lot of times, the old DRC, they come and show up and present something, and we'd say, k. Come back next month, and we'll keep you moving. So I get people aren't happy, and they wanted to go faster, but

we are doing our best to make it function I think better. The complaints I've heard haven't been about I want them to speed it up. I think they've just been like, I want to hear the discussion. Yeah. That's what that's it's not about Gotcha. I want to hurry this through the process. It's I wanna hear the discussion. Okay. Those that's the ones that have yeah. And and if needed, be able to respond appropriately. Maybe not in the meeting, but maybe, you know, schedule an appointment to come meet with you and say, hey. Can everyone Yeah. How do I help? We understand that. So we've opened it back up. And, previously, we were letting people come by invitation when we had things we needed to discuss with them. But, But, typically,

when Mikael first started and we were trying the hybrid option, every time people came to DRC, it was because they wanted to fight with us about something. And so in order to help the other applications move through, we decided it was best to go to a closed door option. So, yeah, we're going back to the hybrid option now. They're only allowed to comment if And that's how we try to, but you'd be surprised. They don't they just don't stop. They just keep going. So, yeah, we'll we'll try to run a little more orderly, and we've left it as an option for people to say, yeah. I would like that option.

It's like, if you don't follow the rules or not.

Well and and then they just turn around and call the mayor. So

we're we're doing our best to accommodate keeper. We're doing our best. Developer that has built in the city or is building in the city with the exception of person that had a tiffed in the office this week. Every other has called me and expressed this concern.

So

and I actually took exception when some said they would they're doing a development in Logan, and it's significantly easier to do it in Logan and Hyde Park. And that is really setting that

that's never been the case. Eric, can I ask? Did they

What's that?

Well and Logan has a full planning staff with techs. They've got four staff planners. They I was gonna say have three people in their attorney's office. Because if, like, they have positive feedback that we can inform You need information back. It's just the return of information. Yeah. And that that's my final request in that email response that you'll see is if you're getting specific comments, if people are just grumpy, I'm sorry. I can't fix your attitude. So People have specific feedback on how the process can be approved. Please have them come talk to me because we've changed a lot. We're open to changing more,

but I can't do much if all I hear is people are grumpy. We're opening this one up. So I will tell you, this problem's not going away for the city. They don't contact yourself and and Mikel. They're concerned about retribution. And that's okay. That's that's that's a them thing, but I'm gonna tell you, that's what they're concerned about.

And they And that's the old Hyde Park. Maybe years ago, there was some person in charge who decided they were gonna put people on the back burner because they were upset with them. It's illegal for us to do that. We literally, by state code, we cannot put someone on the back burner just because they came in and yelled at us. There was a gentleman in here yesterday who screamed at Mikel for five minutes and was looming over her desk and throwing things at her desk. He's not on the way. He's still in the queue where we left him.

But I can list I can give you seven or eight other names that have the same concern

that have spoke to me, and it's not going away for the city. Well, all they need to do is come talk to us, and we can show them where they are in line and say, we're moving you along at the speed that we have available to you. So, yeah, I I understand the frustrations. I understand the grumpiness. But if there's specific things we can do to help people, we're all ears. Just

send them our way. Sounds like you're giving them an option, though. I like that you're you've opened a meeting up, and where where they want their project to be reviewed. And I don't know. It's a step in the right direction.

Yeah. Right? We're we are piece. We're trying really hard to go from a tiny town where we used to hold everyone's hand and give them as much time as they wanted to work on their project to a place where we're trying to be streamlined and efficient, but still check all the boxes. And it's a rough transition for the developers. It's been a hard transition for our own people. So we just ask for just come talk to us. Come tell us what's wrong.

Let's

chime in. Sure.

Before I came to Hyde Park, applications would go to DRC and get red lines, and then they would immediately go to planning commission and city council who would have to approve them with conditions. Right? Your subdivision is approved with the condition that you meet all your red lines. Yep. There's many applications in that. Well These are the developments that are now having the most trouble because they never got their red lines fixed, and they went ahead and put in infrastructure, or they went ahead and sold lots. And the conditional approval was the problem. Right now or when I started, you come to DRC and you have to resolve your red lines before you graduate from DRC. You have to get your engineering red lines done at DRC before you ever come to a meeting. That way planning commission isn't hearing a partial application or an application that still needs work. All the work, the real work is being done at DRC, and then you folks in planning commission are getting a complete and final picture package. This is the final answer. Do we approve it? Yes or no? So the reason for the delay is that we are holding these developers accountable for their plans and making them resolve their red lines before it leaves DRC. When in the past, as you guys know, you would get partial plans and plans that still had many corrections or that couldn't be corrected and are still to this day on the board because they could never resolve their red lines. So we're taking the mistakes and the undones and the lingering red lines out of the equation, and that's what's causing these developers heartburn. They wanna get through DRC planning commission, get their conditional approval, and start moving dirt. And that process has led to problems now that public works is cleaning up, engineering's cleaning up, the city attorney is cleaning up, and that Marcus and I are cleaning up all the time. So the process is is difficult for them to get behind right now because it slows them down, but the conditional approval is is coming back on all of us that participated in those conditionals approvals. So that's where the problem is, is we're not letting them leave DRC without their red lines taken care of as is a standard process in all the rest of the world. The relearning sounds like it's painful for them. Yeah. It is. They're not used to being slowed down and having to get their red lines and all their mistakes from red to green before they come to a planning commission.

And I'll just throw out there. Half of the people that have complained to me haven't developed in Hyde Park under our own process old process. Mhmm. These are new people. So I I agree that we went from something that ran loose. And now that enforcing everything is a 180 switch, There's big rocks and little rocks Yep. Which which are the big rocks that are the absolutely important things that they need to have happen. Not every fight is worth going to the hill and dying over to me. Yeah. And that's why this is the last time you'll hear this. So final It's a problem. It's not gonna go away. Yeah. Yeah. So final thought. Actually, the DRC last week, I had to sit down with everybody and said,

we're not be we're not doing what we wanted to do. And so at DRC next week, we told everybody bring your checklists. By state code, we all have to have checklists of things that we're checking for, things we want the developments to do. And so we're gonna get down to that exact thing. I challenged every member of the DRC to come and tell me what are the hills you're going to die on because we need to start figuring out what's really important to us as a city and what things we can let go of. Because if there's things we can let go of, Because if there's things we can let go of, let's incorporate them right now into the new standards that Mikael and Kyle are writing and not wait until we've approved a code and then have to go back and change it all. The the other way We are working on the The other way a DRC can work is

we have our land use authority, and they send it out to people, review it, and come back, and then it's done just with the land use authority. Yeah. DRC is not a absolute requirement by state code. Land use review is, but how we're conducting DRC, it can it can look different. Mhmm. So and it should only look with one engineer. And and I will send that email tomorrow and tear that bandage off. That that's all. So anyway, counsel, you've got the email that I I had had so many. I spent Saturday evening wanting to enjoy music just before the fireworks, and somebody called me at 09:15 and bent my ear for thirty minutes telling me the woes. And

I would worry more about that than if they were gonna put them on the back burner. Like, if you're gonna cross the mirror on a Saturday night when you should have free time, like Yeah. That's true. Maybe maybe that's not a good idea. Not the dogs you Free free time is

five minutes we just had to go in to use the restroom.

Mayor, if we want any applicants

to fill your I need to shut up. You may not want to continue that

train of thought. Thank you very much.

Okay. Alright. I'd take a motion to dismiss.

I move that we dismiss.

I'll second it. Got a motion from Dave, a second from Tiffany. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you.