Hyde Park City Council 5.13.27 Zoom Meeting

I know. I asked her if you wanna take that. Stephanie.

Stop coming to I know.

She she said she'd see me today, but she had a need in the works. Receiving. Yeah. That's right. It's recording? Yes. Alright. We're gonna go ahead and get started. I wanna welcome you to our May 13 City Council meeting. I appreciate having so many people show up here and having some citizen involvement, and we hope that we can work through and hear whatever input we have and, and work through this agenda. We got quite a, a lengthy one tonight. I do want to recognize we have four people. Dave Councilman Fowles is online and Stephanie may show up. I know she had a procedure last week. So, she she said she'd see me today, and she's running out of today to do that. So we're gonna start with, Kurt has offered to give us our prayer thought and lead us in the pledge. So I'll turn it over to you.

Our father in heaven, we're thankful for the opportunity we have of being Americans and live in this great country. Grateful that we can live here in Hyde Park, and we're grateful for all the blessings we received because of it. Thankful for the government we have, and we're grateful for the opportunities we have of being able to serve. Pray that that will help us to make good decisions, listen to the things we need to, and take care of the business, and make sure we follow the rules and law of that we can do this. We're grateful indeed for all that we have. We pray for safety. Bless all those that live within this area and help us to take care and and look out for their needs as we move forward as a city. We pray for all of these blessings now and I give thanks to what we have and what we've been given. We ask a special blessing on our law enforcement and troops that help us in so many ways throughout the world. We pray for all these blessings now and say this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Could you stand and call me? I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the Republic for which it stands, the nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

Thank you, Kurt. Appreciate that. The next item is to review and approve the meeting minutes from April 8 last week, and we'll do April eighth first. Dave, online, do you have any comments?

He's joined us yet. It doesn't look like he's on yet. Oh, okay. Well

alright. We'll start. Kurt, do you have any Gail? None. Tiffany? Having none, I look for a motion to approve the meeting minutes from April 8.

A motion that we approve the minutes as written from April 8. Got a motion from Tiffany. Is there a second?

Second. Second from Kirk. Any more discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay. Motion carries three zero. The next item is April 29. Tiffany, do you have any comments? None for me. Gerald, do you No. Kurt? Is he's not on yet? Okay. Having none, I look for a motion to approve the meeting minutes from April 29. I'll I'll make that motion. Is there a second? A second from Kurt, a motion from from Gerald. Any discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? The next item is to approve the agenda that you have, and you've received it in box. There was a slight update, but it's currently in box. I have no changes that I would have on it if the council has anything. If not, I'd look for a motion to approve the agenda as written. I'll motion we approve the agenda as written. We got a motion from Tiffany. Is there a second?

Second.

We have a motion from Stephanie. Any more discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any pro opposed, say nay. Motion carries four zero. Stephanie is here. That wasn't an announcement for you for the record.

Sorry. I was downstairs with the youth council party closing social. Oh, that's right. And one of my beautiful youth is right here. The next one is to take care of the council and all of this budget information.

I mean, there's have you got the chief's presentation pulled up?

Yeah. We do citizen input.

Oh, I scrolled past that. I'm sorry. The next item is an opportunity to have resident input. Let's for the council, please limit the comments to three no more than three minutes. This is a time and place for any person who wishes to comment on non agenda items and items that are relevant to the authority of the city council. Items brought forward to the attention of the city council. We may not be able to answer the questions at this time, and we'll get it in front of the appropriate people outside of the city council to do that. Now I will tell you to know that the things on the agenda that is not a public hearing, so you may if you wish, you may have comment. We're required to have our the tax. Which one which item is that? I'm looking here.

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Pardon?

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but the public hearing okay. That so the public hearing for the truth and taxation actually happens in August, but the state passed a law this last year that requires us to, I guess, kinda declare if we're going to have a tax rate increase. It makes it difficult because the county doesn't give us the tax rates until June ish. So it's I just wanna let you know that this is a proposal. There's nothing that's based on it, but we have to follow that with state requirements. Also, there's additional information on that. Last year, we proposed maintaining the rate, which would be which was advertised as a tax increase, and the council passed that. But because the new law says that it has to be only a tax hearing, I gave an update to the council of things going on in the city. Nothing that was voted or asking input on. I just told them what I've been engaged with in different things on the city. Because of that, the state rejected, us having a tax maintaining that rate. So if you had taxes increased last year, it wasn't from the city because it stayed flat for the city of your property tax that you pay. The city gets 11 to 12% of that. So there wasn't a tax increase last year, although we went through the whole process and then the state said, yeah. No. You don't you're not having that. So we did not have it. So with that, I will turn it over to people, the keeper of the clock. Please keep your comments. Try to like I said, three minutes, so I'll open it up for public input. Please come forward and, you know, state your name and and talk to us about anything that you would like to talk.

Hello. My name is Lucy Nixon. I'm 16. I'm a part of our High Park Youth Council, and I was a part of our past royalty. I don't know all the details of everything going on in our city, but I am super interested, and I love our town. I love the city that I've grown up in and that I've learned to appreciate with all my heart. I just wanna say how amazing this community has been, how amazing this small town vibe that we have, and how I will always think of this town as my home, and I will always be able to come back to it and feel welcome with open arms from every single person in this community. I love the fact that we are able to involve our youth as much as we do, and I'd just like to say thank you for that. And I'd like to appreciate every single person that has been able to help us and be able to advocate for our youth. And that's it.

Thank you. That was a good meeting last week talking about parks with the youth council. Do we have any other comment?

My name is Scott Tolentino. You guys probably know me well. And, anyways, I've been here before. I have come to address you again about a problem that we've had on our street on 50 North, right at 1100 East. There is a storm water drain that is overflowed. I have been told that that is not connected to anything. It's just a hole in the ground. I have asked our developer about that and because that does just doesn't seem right. That that answer that I got that it's just a hole. Can you tell me the address again? It's on 50 North right on the Corner Of 1100 East K. Right by the stop sign. And that water keeps coming up when there's any kind of rain, it overfills and then it runs down the stream. There's gotta be a connection from that to the other stormwater source. It makes no sense. They would have never dug a hole without connecting it to another sewer. And after last week's or week before's debacle with this HOA misunderstanding in our thing that I had been told for four years that we needed to have an HOA. And then finally, an attorney finally can step in and clear that up. I honestly I don't believe what I've been told about just that just being a hole. That needs to be cleaned out so when the water comes, it doesn't overfill onto the next person's property. It needs to go down as it's supposed to. The other thing I'd like to bring up is our water pressure. We've talked about this in our area on Juniper Ridge. It's less than 40 pounds per square inch right now, which is less than what the state requires. And so the city's in violation. Every time we ask for higher water pressure, even with the new tank, we've been told that it blows out lines down below. That's not our problem. It's the city's problem. They need to put pressure reducing valves so that doesn't happen. But to turn our water pressure down so other people aren't getting too much water pressure is is ridiculous, I think. We're concerned also with all the development that's going on up in that Juniper Ridge area, both to the north and to the south. You know, we built a beautiful water tank. It's doing its job, but we're concerned about the new building that's going on and whether or not there's gonna be enough water. It's to me, it's just a matter of time before you guys tell us we can't water outside this year. And it's obvious because we're in a drought, but, that's something I think we really need to think about. And then the other thing I wanted to mention was impact fees. I realized that there's gonna be a proposed tax increase this year with all the new building going on in Hyde Park. I don't know how the city is not recouping some of that money to cover that. And instead of putting the burden on existing taxpayers, I think you need to reexamine the impact fees for water, sewer, roads, everything, and raise those so the people that are developing are paying the lion's share of that, not putting the burden on the existing taxpayers.

So Yeah. Thank you. Thanks, Scott.

Anybody else got comments?

Hi. Great. Who are you? My name is Charlene Williams. I'm actually just going to echo the water pressure issue just because when I put out on GroupMe, we've got a 115 families on our neighborhood GroupMe. And when we had a workshop tonight saying, what do you want Hyde Park to be when it grows up? We had lots of great comments, but the number one thing was, water pressure. Please follow through on the promises to fix our water pressure. Issues have been going back and forth for about a few years now. That would be a great place to start. I think the city needs to realize that they can't look to a promising future if the current state of the city isn't functioning well for its residents. I don't know where the water pressure went wrong. Some people have water pressure, others don't. We install the pump. We still can't have two people shower at the same time. So we hosted a family reunion, and we say, hey. You go in this bathroom. What's the point of having two bathrooms? We can't use them at the same time. So I would encourage city council to look to liability if there's a developer that did something wrong and hold them accountable, don't let them develop any further in the area. Maybe put some some kind of an injunction on them or don't allow them to finish it current. If they're trying to do another development and they were part of whatever the problem is, maybe put a stop to their developments. Incentivize them to fix whatever went wrong so that it doesn't have to be paid for by the city if it's a developer issue. I don't know what it is, but I would just like to ask you on behalf of a lot of the people up on the bench to look for the cause of the water pressure issue and see if we can't get it fixed. Thank you. Thanks, Charlie.

Anyone else?

Hi. I'm Marcene Case, and I just wanna please please plead with you. Please stop building so many townhouses and condos and filling up every available space with a million people. It's not affordable to anybody unless somebody pay or that earns $17 an hour can afford to live there. It's not affordable housing. It's filling in every little space. It's those of us that live more in the in the city proper kind of area. We're just being enclosed with this horrible membrane that we have to drive through and see, and it's awful, and it's crowded. It's uncomfortable. The whole reason a lot of us moved here was so that we could be in a small town set off from the highway, and now we're becoming the highway. And it just breaks my heart, and I can't afford to move. I can't afford to go anywhere else. So I'm kinda stuck where I am. And my biggest fear is that the fields behind me will turn into houses because it was slated on a map as medium to high density behind my house. That would kill me. Please, I'm just begging you. Keep that small town vibe and feel that people talked about. If when you get too many people, people stop caring about each other. And right now, people still kind of care about each other. We're small enough that we still know each other somewhat, and we can make connections. But with more people and more density, we lose those intimate connections we have with one another. So, please, I'm begging you, just at least slow it down to a minor trickle or something. We don't have to do it all at once. It's I've talked to other people, and it says it's affecting their mental health. They don't feel safe. They don't they feel that pressure of being closed in, and it's, like I said before, uncomfortable. It just hurts. Behind my house, we see fox. We see deer. We see skunks. We see raccoons. We see hawks. We see falcons. We see eagles. What happens when all that turns to houses? Where do those animals go? What happens to them? The whole reason I love living there, I hate my ugly house, but I love watching the wildlife back there. I love being able to watch that little orange fox hop through the field and get rodents. It brings so much joy. I love looking out over the field and just seeing the eagles and the hawks and the falcons just fly and land on the wheels in the in the field there. I just it's beautiful. So please think of those of us that are on the outskirts of town. We don't wanna be enclosed and encrusted by townhouses and condos. It's disgusting.

Thank you. Any other comments?

Hello. My name is Brian Boss junior. I saw in your newsletter that you put out a statement saying that we need to conserve water this summer because, obviously, our our winter was not that great. We're gonna be in a drought. We're gonna have water restrictions. What I can't justify, and I think it's very hypocritical, is that because of this new tank that you guys put in, you guys punched a hole up in that tank by Lions Park. Million gallons went running down in front of my my yard. How can you justify telling the rest of Hyde Park that we need to conserve when you're draining a million gallons of culinary water? That's drinking water. It's not irrigation. And then telling the rest of us that we need to conserve water. I think that water could have easily been pumped up into one of the other tanks, but then you wanna raise our rates too. So that's all I gotta say. Thank you.

Any other comments? If not, we'll close that public portion and got some takeaways here. Could Marcus, could you get public works to check that drain at Yep.

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50 North 1100 East. Yes. Let's let's find out what is going on with that because I'm in agreement. There's not a drain that goes nowhere. It's gotta go somewhere, and we had people here cleaning out storm drains that that should have been on there. Actually going up out of that drain. So let's at least the whole's water. That's interesting. Also, up along 10th East and 11th East, I know we've we've had other another area where someone has had issue with water pressure. Could we have them go out? Now we don't measure the pressure from your meter in. That's up to you. But what we do is we send public works out, and they measure the pressure at the fire hydrant. So I we need to find out what that is. I know what our modeling says it should be, but let's validate that. And I have Scott's email. So when I get that information, I can email Scott and tell him what we have and what that might end up being as it is with another area has to do with the size of line that feeds the home. So it from the meter on. So we have a standard meter that goes up, and then the house the the homeowner is responsible from the meter into the house. So let's find out at least what those pressures are that we have at the fire hydrant because if it's that low, he would be correct. We are running that risk.

Well and quick correction. The state minimum for PSI is 20. Pardon? The state minimum for PSI is 20.

But but it would still, at 40, would impact our fire requirement on being able to Not necessarily. But It depends on flow. But let's validate those things so that we can We will definitely look into those. K. The very meeting that we had before this one is discussing that look and feel as we grow. And I think the planning commission and the city council, they've met and discussed of of let's not continue to make the same mistakes. Let's try and add some variation in that so that we don't have don't become a place of townhomes. Is somebody gonna build behind you, Marcy? Probably sometime. I I mean, when I moved here, there wasn't much East Of Northeast, but and but it continues to grow, but we need to be able to manage and do it correctly. So but it's probably not gonna build for a while because I know who owns that property. So so we got some takeaways that we need to get some information. Oh, Brian, the water, this is yeah. That that was a lot of water ran down there. The reason the hole is we drilled this well out here, and they had to drain the tank in order to hook up that new pipe from this well that is a fantastic well for the city. So we we had to drain it to hook it up. We had conflicts with the contractor. It was supposed to be done last fall when we didn't have as much pressure and need for water. Typically through the winter, our spring will feed the city. And we were running up against a hard time of when is the peak water coming for the city. We know that think although we had a lousy winter, we had a cool April. So we were pushing the contractor to get it done so that we're not doing the memorial weekend here. We've had 90 degrees. People are want their sprinklers running. So a lot of the some of the water pressure may not be depends on when you checked it. We had to isolate that water tank so that it would stop flowing in there. So I knew at my house, I had low water pressure because we were isolating an area so that we can stop the water flow into that tank so that we could drain it and hook up the new line so that we can pump from this well, which costs us significantly less than pumping from the well at the post office because pumping uphill is costs money. So wish we'd had got the contractor to do it last fall. It I think there isn't many people in the city council and staff that aren't frustrated with them having to do it at this time. And I I agree with you that that's a waste of good water, but it's a little bit of waste now so that we can have more in the future. But you're right about water restrictions, whoever said that one. I'm I'm waiting for the governor to as he's promised that he's going to come out with a declaration or an emergency. Yeah. We're all gonna be on water restrictions, and I think that's the state came out with a statement of slow the flow, and I don't I don't think that's the right statement. I think we need to curb our curve our behavior on how we utilize water. I know the city has come out with some changes in code, park strips, and landscaping so that we can preserve that resource for the future. You know, it's not only us, but there's more than just us. So that's you know, we we like where we live, but we want our kids to live here and their kids. And so we by changing our behaviors, we're preserving something for the future as well as open spaces, Marcy said. So plan plan smart, and that's what the city is trying to do. We were up against a challenge that could have been avoided, but the con but it wasn't avoided. We put all the pressure we could on the contractor, and and it was frustrating for us as well. So I appreciate the input on that. We got a lot of other things. I'll that was one of the items. There's water restrictions are likely coming. When the governor makes that declaration, they'll probably have some requirements listed in there that cities are going to do. I have a draft letter that I want to put out to the city. And but without having the meat of what he's going to impose, I'm I'm waiting on the governor. And I even sent him a message this week to move it along so that we can get the message out, but don't listen to me either. So, Marcus, do you have anything?

No. Council, in in your packet, there was a staff report with a lot of updates, but not a lot of critical information that needs to be shared and taken time in this agenda. So I will go ahead and pass my time off to back to you or to the chief or whoever's next.

Okay. Other things that I would have to report on and I apologize for my speech. I hope you can understand me. Chief, well, for the residents, last year was the first Memorial Day in a long time. We didn't have the reports going off, and it was widely said that the city put the k bosch on that, but it wasn't the city. It was the city wasn't going to allow private entities to utilize the city's name and buy it under our account because then we have private people lighting off these restricted fireworks, and we would assume that liability. So I told them they couldn't buy it using a city account. They're here, chief, Memorial Day. We've contacted the fireworks. We're going to have them come in, and they're going to launch the reports. I tried to get it later in the day, but they they gave me a time at 6AM. You'll know when it is if you've been in Hyde Park before when those reports go off. And so that will be happening on Memorial Day, the Monday. So but we're we we had complaints that we didn't have them, and then we had thank yous that we didn't have them. Typically, the veterans were thanking us that we didn't have it. So it'll come back, and we'll gladly hear. Thanks for bringing it back, and for bringing it back. So we spoke about water restriction. June, we we had received a grant to do a wastewater master plan. That is going to be reported out June 11 It's a meeting in June. It's a meeting in June for the city council. That's going to be reported out on the city master plan for sewer. And then, additionally, we received a $100,000 grant for creating a master plan for parks and trails of how the city wants to grow that that. So there'll be

I think there's part of that is some community outreach, which we have a great deal of input that we had surveys done before. Yeah. Both of those master plans will serve to update the impact fee. The sewer impact fee will be going up by about $30 per ERU or per residential building permit. And then the

parks and trails impact fee will be changed depending on the results of the study. Right. And and it was brought up in in the meeting about impact fees paying for things. Impact fees are a restricted fund. It can only be utilized for the impact of that growth into the neighborhood. So townhomes coming in, why can't we get our road paved? Because that road isn't impacted from that. There's if you look in our water master plan that's online, sewer, stormwater, it'll list in there what impact fees can be list utilized for. So that's what we that's the restriction on it. So although they come in, we can't have them, you know, paving the road in front of Tiffany's house or my house. That that's not the impact. That's all although there's a lot, but that's all for this meeting. Chief Yes, sir. You ready to go into a report and your budget?

I am. Okay. I guess depending on where, where Marcus wanted to start. Let's start first, I guess, with the April 26, recap, for the month. So for the month of April, the Department handled 448 calls. Of the 448, 80 of those were in Hyde Park. The column on the green is the priority calls out of that 80. Most of those ended up being the traffic offenses and traffic related either accidents or attempt to locates on those. We had four medical emergencies that we helped with. One warrant one welfare check. For your non priority the biggest portion of those were animal calls 19 animal calls that we responded to. And then second to that was the bin inspections which don't take as much time. They're fairly quick. Sys and Sys were right behind that. For calls for service for 2025, this time last year through April 30, the Department had handled one eight sixty nine calls. This year, we're 50 shy of that. We're down just a little bit eighteen nineteen calls through the end of April right now. However, the difference is being made up in the citations of the stops that we're actually making. This last month, the officers made five thirty seven stops. So 50 fewer calls over the year. But like I said, our stops and the education and that proactive enforcement has gone through the roof with our officers. So it's it's good to see the balance on that. So

with with the implementation of the new state law on e mowed recycles and the bikes, I imagine, if you can catch them,

you've been they've been able to educate some of these kids. Well, actually, we've seen a a fairly positive response in North Logan and Hyde Park. Good. The the individual the kids that we have stopped have actually stopped. I know that the county has had a few juveniles who's ran and evaded and they're tracking them down. But at this point, there's been enough education and things gone out that the kids that we are talking to are actually stopping and listening. The pamphlet that we put out in the lobby has had a good impact. We've handed that out to kids and gone up to them after hours when we see them at the park. And we're stopping in. The huge component of what we're trying to do is just to educate rather than to hammer people at this point. It's a new law. There's gonna be a lot of questions with it. We've responded to lots of emails with citizens who have questions about what the law means. We've put it up on our website. We've tried to get it out as many places as we can. I know North Logan and Hyde Park are both posted on our websites too. So

with that implementation and and education is

I I like that rather than bringing the hammer, educate so we can teach people. Yep. And we've had a lot of good comments from citizens saying, well, you know, I guess we're gonna have to turn the throttle down or we're gonna have to sell the bike. We've had several have mentioned that that they're gonna just have to sell them, which the whole intent behind the law was to keep kids safe and to keep the community safe. It wasn't to, you know, inhibit them or or put a damper on the fun. It was we need them to be safe on the road. And so there is an education to that that comes with that. So we're seeing good things. Our offices are out there. I hope the public sees that that our guys are out doing stuff. They're trying to be visible. They're trying to be proactive on that. Marcus, this last week had asked for a copy of the twenty twenty five calls that were broken down by priority and non priority for the year for 2025 ended up 52.7% were priority calls, meaning that an officer needed to be there immediately. Some of those were lifesaving type events, but for the majority of those, it was an officer's presence was was needed right there, right then. The non priority, 47%

of that. So Yeah. Non priority for people might be the it could be the v VIN inspection and some of those things, but priority could be accidents.

Accidents, medicals that come up, traffic offenses, intrusion alarms. Yeah. Those are those type of things that requires the immediate response of the foreign officer on that. That's kind of where we're sitting at. I know that there's been a request for the radar trailer. So currently, it's up on 900 East. And before that, it was up on 1000 East. I sent David or councilman Fowles a copy of that report. In that time that it recorded, we had 18,000 cars that went through on 1000 East. And out of that span of time? So it recorded or it it got that data from April 14 through April 22. The radar trailer was there longer than that, but that was when it was collecting our our random sample. So in three days, 18,000? For the fourteenth to the twenty second. So six, seven, eight, nine days there that I did that. But what I'm happy to report with that, though, is that during that time, 77% of of that 18,000 were under the speed limit, under 25 miles an hour. So that left 4,050, cars that were over the speed limit. And 64% of that group was between twenty six and thirty. It's still higher. There's still work to be done. But the fact that the radar trailer was there, you could see a calming influence on the traffic flow there. So out of that, when you're talking about your high high speeds, we had, if you're looking at 36 to 40 miles an hour, we had 375 cars out of the total 18,000 cars that were between that speed, 173 that were between forty one and forty five, I had 60 that were between forty six and fifty. 14 cars that were between fifty one and fifty five. Six cars that were between fifty six and sixty and one between sixty one and sixty five. That was our high speed on that. So That's on 1,000. That's on a thousand in that wider road, that new road up there. So I

the interesting thing is is that road doesn't go to Smithville. It goes to us. Yeah. It goes to Hyde Park residents. Yep. And there was 700 east. We had a top speed. What was that one? Suck. Good grief. That was way high. I think something I thought. Yeah. It was really high. And I'm wondering if we were to publish some of those higher speeds, hey. This is what was clocked. And it's it's not people going through Hyde Park. It's people coming from Hyde Park or going to Hyde Park. It's it's us. If would be beneficial to residents to post that on our city website so that remember, the speed limit is 25 there.

I'm happy too to post these radar trailer reports on our website if people are interested in seeing that. It does give us a good direction of what we need to do. And quite honestly, it's encouraging to see that the majority of the traffic is going to speed limit. It's there's still work. There's still things that needs to be done, but it's having the influence that we want it to have in that area.

That's the biggest complaint we have is people speeding through neighborhoods. Right. And they're complaining about it, but it it's it's us. We we found out who it is.

Yep. So as far as calls, that's kind of where we're sitting. Like I said, our calls are slightly down, but I anticipate that those are gonna go up. Our traffic is up. Our enforcement is up on that. So k. Anyway. Any questions on the on the report for that portion?

No. K. Then No no question. No question. No question. Counsel. Okay. Alright. Let's you wanna move into the budget, and while he's pulling that up, I'll tell you that on the police commission, I'm really grateful for with the commission and the chief. We we go through this and the chief has been very, responsive to the challenges the city has financially, and he's he's doing things and and to help us be fiscally sound in the in the police department, and the representatives from the Hyde Park City Council and residency of Kirk and Dave Fowles. I appreciate them showing up. And Joe from our resident and and all those from North Logan. I think we work well cohesively and and try to get the best product out there. So thanks, chief. You're welcome, Lee. It's been an effort, and I and I do wanna say and start first with

one of the challenges that that I was given as chief was to be responsible, financially responsible and fiscally responsible. And so we've tried to reduce and only increase truly the increases that we need on that. And so we'll preface this with starting out by saying the majority of the increases that you see here come down to those top lines. What we decide and what resources are available for any increase. If there's increases in staffing wages, the animal control wage, the code enforcement wage, big portion of it goes to the crossing guard wages with the new schools that are being built. We jumped from 58,000 to 91,000 to cover those expenses. And then police benefits, really, when it comes down to true expenses, what we're seeing is a total of $26,000 or just over that in our increases. On the next page, that comes down to some things that we have seen issues with that we knew we needed to increase. For instance, our vehicle maintenance, we've held on to our Dodge Durangos longer than what I wanted to as cheap, but we we needed to. And so we've made repairs on those which have increased that budget. Our utilities, we've seen an increase in our telephone, our Internet, our alarm, also in our professional technical with our IT going to Les Olsen instead of all tech moving from that. Our evidence kits were mailing those instead of sending somebody down to Salt Lake with that evidence and spending that gas and time to pay them. So we've seen an increase in that. Again, the biggest increases of those comes in our community service and supplies. That comes with our crossing guard supplies and the equipment to outfit them, the vests, the stop sign, those things and their training that they need for that. With the new schools, we're anticipating more events that we've been asked to do. This year, we're also asking for an increase in our awards and recognition of our officers. Historically, we have not included our spouses in that awards dinner or Christmas dinner, and there's been some pushback on that. We'd we'd like to do that if we can with that and then an increase in our firearms and tasers on that. So truly that again our total increase really comes down to 26,000 and then depending on we we know that there this year is a hard year on that. We also know that there's a challenge though in our retention. As I look at other departments that are in the area, for instance, highway patrol, they're starting at 35 an hour. Logan City currently starting at 31 an hour, $31.73. The county is starting at $31.69. Right now is starting at 2,650. Smithville is starting at 2,675. So they're slightly higher than what we are. And at some point, we lose the ability to retain our people, let alone attract people. You know, if the new officers who are coming out of the academy can go work, you know, for Logan or or Brigham or some of these other places and make 6 to $8 an hour more, have more opportunities, and have a a a better career path to go on, why would they look at NorthPark? So as your chief, when I'm asking for the increase that went through the commission, we asked for a 5% increase. That's what this represents on that. That moves us to about $27.80 to start on there, which is not the high end, but it gets us in the ballpark of where we need to be so that we can continue, you know, still bring in people, still attract people on that, and that we recognize it's difficult. So with that, as mayor alluded to, we've tried to do a lot of things to help with that. One of those is working with a lobbyist in DC. That's actually been very successful. We were told that we were awarded just over 500,000 for that. That will help offset some of this as we look at extended costs over the next several years on how we can help modernize the department and help to flatline our budget on that. So as chief, I recognize this is a a huge ask. This is a big ask. But, also, I'm presented to you the fact of this is where we're at and been able to maintain and to retain our officers. There's more money that we spend in hiring new people, retraining, reoutfitting, and reequipping them, and the time down for our officers in that training process that's higher than what this is over the course of the time. And so we'll work with the mayors, we'll work with the council, but this ask has gone to to the North Logan city council as well as as me coming to you saying, here's we've tried to keep our true expenses to a minimum. And with whatever resources are available, this is what we're asking for.

I I know on the the grant that that's for hiring officers, and it pays that over the course of time. So if we hire officers and we utilize those funds at some point, I think it's three years that grant is done. And the cost of those officers that we hired are now on us. So we have to recognize that as cities, but we know in this last, legislative session, they've now passed a state code that allows us to implement a public safety impact fee. But we have to have a study of saying, what is that? Because as we grow, businesses come, there's more security, more police that needs to control more neighborhoods than that. So what is that public impact fee for public safety that would cover police, EMS, fire? So as that's something that both cities need to tackle and recognize that those fees when they come in, that's what it's for. So I appreciate the chief doing this, and and we know that we have a short leash on the city until that 600 wears out runs out, and all of that's gonna come back to as an ask to make up that delta difference to the city. So we need to be able to move forward to see how we can, utilize that growth to pay for the increase in the staffing. So I appreciate what you've done, chief. Thank you. Thank you. Council, do you have questions? I I will tell you, this is what he's presenting here later on in the council. Don is going to present, budgetary information and this chief's budget number is built inside of our proposed budget. So that's what is there. If you have questions, comments, you're we're not gonna approve a budget, but we're going to have that budgetary discussion.

So I have one question. So with the police wages, the change in that, what does that do to our your lease wages as compared to the surrounding?

We're the lowest in the Valley right now. But But with this This passes. If this passes, this I haven't seen what Smithfield's gonna do, but I'd imagine that'll bump us right up to, you know, the second lowest or or right there. We're still we're still lower, and and we recognize that. We know we're not gonna be the highest paid department on that, but we do need to be in the ballpark. We need to be in that area with that. So, again, what you see here is basically the request for if the money if the resources are available, this is what we feel would would help us the best. With that, it gets us into that ballpark.

Okay. I just wondered where that It gives put us

if Smithfield doesn't increase, it puts us second from the bottom in comparison to Highway Patrol, which is hard Cache County, Logan, University in Smithfield. Yeah. I I I think on looking at the county and and Logan City, Competing wages is a race to the bottom. It makes it really difficult, but we still need to get quality officers there and and have the chief be able to manage that. We Because there's there is a cost to training FTO, all that, bringing someone on board that first year of training, and there's a cost to that. And if you bring them in and a year and a half later, they're off going somewhere else. We just our training station for Logan and Cache County, so it makes it difficult.

Yep. Do you have a price tag on that training that you put into an officer?

Well, of course

yeah. If you if you add up all of that, if you're if you're talking the cost of the equipment, the uniforms, the vest, the all of that in the training, you're about a 150% of the officer's wage. So if we're starting at the $26.50, you take that over the year time, and it's a 150% of that. So anywhere from 80,000 to a 130,000 to redo that, which is much more expensive. It's hard to beat the training ground and to train all the officers in the valley because that's what essentially has happened over the years. There's we have lower opportunity. So our officers can do patrol or they can maybe do investigations in a couple of years when a spot opens up. And and really that's about it. And we've tried to change the the culture and we've tried to create other opportunities through training and through some specialties, some of the radar trailer, things like that that people can be over. But when an officer can go to Logan and be a motor officer or be a detective or be on the gang unit or be an SRO or be any of these other number of of specialties, you know, the SWAT, things like that, it it's very enticing for them, and and it's it's hard to keep and retain those officers here. And so we'd go through this vicious cycle on that, which is burdensome to the city because the city and the citizens ultimately end up paying for that.

Thank you.

So on Transparency Utah, you can find out typically what pay is pay is, but it doesn't show that sunk cost in the training. Right. For that first year is an additional sum cost that that we seem to we apparently, we do good training because everyone wants to hire them. Yep. So do you have any questions, counsel?

I I just wanna add the fact that this has not been an easy task this year. We appreciate your efforts because we've met several times as a commission. And it's a tough tough thing we're we're facing there, and I think you've explained it well, and we appreciate everything that our officers do. I hear lots of good good comments about our officers, and so we wanna keep it that way if we possibly can.

Yeah. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Anything else, counsel? If not, thank you, chief. We're gonna move on to the next item, which is, keep toggling through documents here. Consider resolution twenty twenty six zero nine resolution off of authorizing the filing of eminent domain actions for the heartache property. Marcus, can you take us through this? I know every we we've got active good negotiations going on, but we're it's it's more of a time constraint thing.

Correct. So looking at the resolution, exhibit a outlines the heart of the issue here. Hyde Park City was awarded a grant to begin construction for the next leg of the Wolfpackway Road. That grant is currently out to bid. We'll have the bid opening tomorrow afternoon. We're still negotiating a couple of the right of ways with some people. This particular case with the Heart Acres LLC, we are in the middle of negotiations, but it may get to the point where that stalls out and where we're approaching the time of construction very swiftly. What this resolution does, it was it would authorize the city staff, the city attorney who is here tonight, if you have questions for him, and our and the project managers to move ahead with an eminent domain action if it is necessary.

Yeah. It doesn't say that we are. It just authorizes us to move in that direction if if things stop. If know that we don't have to wait till the next city council. Right. For those who may not know what eminent domain means, it means that there is

a countervailing significant public interest to have this road built. And so by state law, the government has the right to come in and compensate people for their property. We don't just take it for free. We provide them monetary or other compensation equal to the appraised value of the property, and it's so we're not, you know, stealing people's property. But the problem is, yeah, sometimes these negotiations can draw out because people don't agree with the appraised values or, I mean, they want things from the city that we can't necessarily provide them immediately, and so the negotiations can take time. So, again, what this resolution is authorizing, it's it's giving city staff, city attorney permission that if the negotiations fail and we reach that point where we have to move, that we are able to move forward.

That's what that's what twenty twenty six zero nine states. Back to document questions

from the council at all? Is this the only property in that pathway that is

unresolved right now? There's one more that is unresolved, but it is we have verbal approval from the owner that they are willing to go ahead and sign the documents.

So this item doesn't require a public hearing, so it it's it's for your discussioners to make a motion to approve, disapprove, or continue.

And if there is representatives from the Heart Acres LLC, also by state law, we would like to give them time to come up and speak if they have something they would like to say.

They are here. They are certainly welcome to come or if they don't want to. Having none, I'll turn it back to

the council. I'll make a motion that we vote for resolution twenty twenty six dash o nine and pass it.

Got a motion to approve resolution twenty twenty six dash o nine. Is there a second?

I'll second.

I got a a motion from Stephanie and a second from Kurt. And Dave has joined us online. And did a third. And he's got a he's got a third.

If we approve.

Not quite. But

Yes. This is as

As if if needed, it we are actively engaged with them and in discussions with them, and they

Correct. In my opinion, I've sat in on some of the negotiations. It's going well. It's just going a lot slower than we thought it would. And so this is essentially just providing an option for us if we need it. Yeah.

So I got a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay. Motion carries five zero. Brent, if it's cooler outside, can you prop that door open? If it's it's

If it's hotter, don't.

Boy, if it's cooler. Not like not like earlier today, the breeze? Okay. Well, thank you, Brent. The next item is hey, John. Thank you so much. Yeah. The next item is a public hearing to discuss resolution twenty twenty six dash o five. We and O five. I'm gonna have Marcus O eight. Did the other document get loaded up in box? The for comparison? Existing rate.

I will find it shortly. Give me one second.

On the water rates, it didn't get in there? So it's a time for public hearing on it. And counsel, this obviously, afterwards, we have to consider it for you to vote, and you can continue it on this one because it's what I was wanting added in there is what our current cost structure is and what it is impacting. So that's what I wanted to be able to share with you, but it it's in there in time. So

So before we turn over to the public, I'd like to just offer some context if that Please do. That helps inform. So on the screen right now is the city's current water rate. This was adopted in, I believe, in 2022.

When was it adopted? Well, I don't know if that one. Yeah. Thanks, Bert.

I'm sorry. You sneak in. The that water rate was adopted after we hadn't had an update in I believe it was over twenty years, and it was the state has created a lot of new legislation around water rates and such conservation. What we have found is as we have our utility clerk has gone through work. This is part of the broad more broad utilities overhaul that's been happening for several months. You know, we've been looking at the policies. We've been looking at how the billing is done. We've been looking at the softwares that we use for doing the billing. This is just another piece of the puzzle. And so what is being proposed in this resolution is a new water rate, and let me zoom in so everybody can see it really well. And this water rate does a few things. First of all, it introduces a few new tiers. You'll notice that now we start a a tier of zero to 3,000. We don't guarantee that first 5,000 anymore. However, as I understand it, when doing the math for this, if you're in that tier, you shouldn't be paying more than the base existing base rate of $26

anyway. Can you split the screen to show the comparison so we can have both of them out there? Just minimize Yes. Just make this smaller and yeah. Somewhat. Yeah. There we go.

Everybody can see that. It's gonna get really small. And then the other thing is it introduced a bunch of new tiers because what we found as we were doing our utilities audit is more tiers created more opportunities to, one, capture the revenue based on how much water is actually being used, and, two, look at have a better snapshot in our system of where the water is being used. And so we the big push to change the water rate is, number one, it provides lower rates potentially lower rates for people who use less water. There is an actual way to build in some to have some savings in your monthly water bill if you're in the lower tiers. The other thing it does is when you get to the big users, the 100,000 plus, the rate becomes very, very expensive. We did this to mirror North Logan's rate that they adopted shortly after we did ours in 2022. And really what spurred it is we did an activity that where we looked at how much it actually costs to produce a gallon of water from a well or from the spring and get it to somebody's home. I mean, it was looking at electricity costs, the fuel for the vehicles that we have to go up periodically to check the chlorine levels and to do checks on the tank. We got down to the cost of the pipes, the wear and tear that it causes there. And so we took North Logan's model, and then we adjusted the pricing so that, one, we can generate enough money to keep the level of service that we have now. But, two, to have a way that if we have people who are going above and beyond, it will generate additional funds that we can then use to do things like upgrade our water meters or hire additional employees or save extra money to upgrade more of our lines or, I should say, update if they're getting too old.

And so What we found is past behavior by the city. We we can maintain our line, but we know the cost of development and the water lines wear out. What does that cost to replace that water line in front of somebody's house? We pave a new we pave over and give a new asphalt, and then we have it have that water line under their break five times. I'll point you to the road. The waterline should have been replaced before the asphalt went down. This this would allow some of that, but we really want to encourage behavior change because there's not a lot that are up there and that big users. Mhmm. But there's several that are that have access to secondary water that have it at their property, and they're using culinary to water outside.

The other detail that this adds is currently because of our historic growth, we've only had residential rates, and so now we have added in more details to include rates for apartment complexes. As we know, a few of the developments that have been approved and are on the way do include apartment complexes, and so we want to get this adopted and in place before we have those hooking onto our system and using our utilities. So that's the high level version. Again, I agree with the mayor. We are still going through and looking at today's numbers and how much revenue it would generate to get a real definitive answer on exact dollar amounts. And so as city staff, we aren't even recommending that this get passed tonight, but we would like to hear from the public on this rate as we're finishing it up. Donnie says we have a better exhibit, so I'm gonna pull that up really quick.

So with that information, the consider on this resolution twenty twenty six two zero eight, we will open up the meeting for public comment and the same rules. Comments are in there for I haven't seen you in a long time, my friend. But it is Just speak by pardon? Who speak my answer? Sorry to But Before we

hear, this is this is what Colette put together that shows the proposed and the current on the same, and this is what it would look like if you maxed that tier. So if you only use up to 3,000 gallons, you could see that you would actually save almost $10. So it it really benefits the lower water users. Although, this wasn't like like they said, it started a year ago. This has nothing to do with the conserving water. But, anyway, just just so you know, this is a different a different diagram that kind of shows the proposed

versus the current. And I I I think we went through this, and Carl would probably be the one that validate this. But I think we we have the data and information that tells us the number of percentage of people that are in each of those categories. So and I think Colette's got that. So percentage of residents that are in there. So that might be something if we continue it that that they may want to have in input from the council to see that. So Alright. Charles Darnell, my part.

Thank you for hearing me out. The very first thing that I recommend with these is a cost of service study, and it sounds like done a little bit of that. I think this problem is a lot more complicated than the city realizes, and you need some assistance from engineers that actually know how to do this. What I would hope is that the council would continue this so that there would be a better public hearing. We have more transparency on the rates themselves. And especially when it comes down to rate design, which you're not doing at all. You basically are not showing all the different tiers of people that are customers that you have from a washer terrier to a car wash. And the one thing with great design that I would also recommend is that there are some very large lots in Hyde Park. I don't even in fact, you could subdivide my lot by the average lot size in my park, and you could put three houses on a lot. So I ran an analysis on that. My numbers match with yours. But what I did is I compared the existing rate structure as if there were three houses on my acre of land. K? And then, of course, that divides my water use by a third. K? And so I treated that third in with your rate, your existing rates, and I multiplied it times three. So it was like having three houses using the same amount of water. So the difference between what I paid in the six months that I watered last year is what I paid versus a model where I actually split it out three houses. It was only a $139. Mhmm. Then so so it's actually very close. I mean, I I can't argue with that at all. Now with the new rate structure, it's it's almost 750%. If I do the same law, and I can share these numbers with you. I'll email them spreadsheet too if you'd like to see it. So to me, what that tells me is that that's punitive. Okay? And what you really wanna provide is incentives for people not to punish them. And I I would think everybody on this council wants Hyde Park to look nice. You don't want it to look all burned up. And if you wanna see a property that looks all burned up, I have one right next door to me. It's about three quarters of an acre that never got watered. And it's a fire hazard. The the grass is it never gets mowed. It's the grass is three feet high in July, and it looks terrible. The plants plants and trees that they planted there have died. Now I don't think it's the water rates that's high and the problem. But I think as you raise rates up here to $1,232 for a monthly rate based on $500 and what the existing rate is, we're getting we're getting very punitive. We're not incentivizing people. So, again, I'll share this with you. If you would email it to me, Charles, you got to email. Please do. I'll be happy to do that. But I again, I think rate design and more transparency to show all the different customs assets that you have at Hyde Park, you know, because I know there's more. There's industries. There are landscaping firms. There are car washes. And they all typically, in good rate design city, all will have different rate structures. It's not that they pay less. And I'm not necessarily saying I should pay less. And I understand the rates need to go up. And I understand the reason why the rates need to go up. But they also need to be fair and and need to treat customers based on what they need. And and quite frankly, somebody that has a half acre or acre, acre and a half land, they need a little bit more water than model would for

something like that. And and that was one of the things I brought up is is delineating between commercial, industrial, and residential. And so thank you, Charles. Thank you for your time. Appreciate it. Do we have any other comment on water rate in this, resolution? Having none, we'll close that public hearing portion, and I'll turn it over to the council for discussion, motion, whatever you'd like to do. I do think that there's more information that you probably should have, council. That's my view.

My vote is Yeah. I think if we're not I don't have a fully informed, then we ought to just maybe table it.

Would that be a motion, Gerald?

Well, that's just my feeling. That's your I'm not Yes. But I wouldn't.

To continue this or it'll it'll end up being

I think Dave has a comment.

If but if we continue it, I would I never like to leave things just out there. Let's continue it. Give me a date. Do we want it in the council meeting in June, not just continue it and kick it down the road?

What what would be the purpose to continue it?

I I didn't hear that. Well, I I think you need to understand and I think the residents need to understand that really what who's being impacted by what. I I the higher users are definitely getting impacted. And and we can put percentage of, you know, 33% of the residents fall within this bracket or this bracket. And we can have that information so that getting transparency, people will understand, okay, that that maybe, you know, 45%. We had a a large outcry the last time, but we when we did the numbers, a vast majority of the residents in Hyde Park weren't being affected. It was the high users. So having that information is is I think that's important to know, is will it change your view? And you can actually I think the council last time we did this, the council voted and changed the the dollar value on some of those tiers. So Okay. That's you could do that. So I have some graphs that I might like to

include on that. I was able to go to at least three different sessions down in Saint George on water situation. And the the big takeaway, I think, for me was that we have got to change our mindset and realize that we live in a desert, that we need to adopt perhaps the landscaping that they have down in Southern Utah. One of the graphs showed that the water use without metering, the water use with metering, and then the actual need and the amount that we're using without metering is, like, triple what we need. And even with metering, it's still, like, double. So that would be an important graph to know that we are overusing water. We have plenty of water if we're not watering grass. And so these important things of flip the strip, other conservation, xeroscaping. I mean, I'm the last person that wants to dig up my grass. I think I would have bought a smaller piece of property if I realized I couldn't have grass. But we really do need to change our mindset, and so I am in favor of the new water rates. K. I'll just say that. I am in favor after hearing those three workshops, understanding, especially this year, the critical situation we're in. I am for it.

Dave, you got a comment?

Well, I was gonna ask a question, but if we continue this, I think we can work through it. And so I I move that we continue resolution twenty twenty six zero eight so we can continue to get a little bit more information. I think some of the things that the mayors mentioned. Do we need to increase water rates? Yes. Based on what studies we do have, I'm not sure what that exactly looks like, and I would like to have a little more time and and further discussion to do that. So so I move that we continue resolution twenty twenty six dash zero eight.

We've got a motion from Dave. Second, that. And a second from Kirk. Any other discussion?

Question for the council. What date would you like that be made to change that? I was gonna wait.

So

The twenty seventh, our next council meeting, we already have a pretty full agenda. So I think No. I'm I'm thinking June. We have something

What do we we have something

June 10, we were already looking at presenting the wastewater master plan and doing a public hearing to the second meeting. For the impact fee, and so we could add this to that public notice for the public hearing

Let's To change the fee schedule again. First meeting, but no later than the second depending on what our agenda looks like on that first meeting. Okay.

And and when would the new rates be implemented if we tackle that on this June 10? Yeah.

So when the city implements a new generally, a new fee or an update to our utility fees, that goes into effect ninety days after. And so that gives us some time to publish information, put it in the newsletter, let people know that it's coming so they can prepare and understand how it's going to affect them. It really wouldn't then impact them in this watering year and hopefully give them some time or some strategy of

of perhaps doing something about the extra grass. If the last time you walked on it was when you mowed it, is it necessary? I took out arch strips because of that. So we got a motion and a second. Any more discussion?

We need to just do anything as far as adding when we're gonna do it or I'm I'm good with it, changing that as a second.

It's it'll be recorded in the meeting minutes that it'll be the first week, but no later than this not the first week, but the first council meeting, which happens on the second Wednesday or but no later than the second one, which happens on the fourth Wednesday of June. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. You too, sit down. Aye. It's my wife, daughter. Any opposed with nay? That motion carries five zero. The next item is considered the wastewater survey. Mark, this is a state requirement.

Yeah. And I'm so sorry, counsel. The wastewater survey is in a really yucky format. So every year, this is a requirement from the state. This is our report that we present to the state. We I this is a me problem. I lost the really nice pretty version that I was gonna send out to the council. And so, yeah, in order to get something to present, we have the state send us their version that's really data friendly so they can plug it into their system. And so it's this really long thing. But, essentially, the bones of the report is we're doing great. Our wastewater system is compliant with the state requirements. There is a box on here that we have to check to say that it was presented to the city council. If you have specific questions, please feel free to reach out to me, reach out to and I'll we can set up a meeting with Brett, our public works director, to go through specifics. But the the heart of the issue is we are fully compliant with all of the state requirements for our wastewater system.

Let's see. I didn't think you'd finish as fast.

Can can I ask if there were any surprises, or what did we learn as we did this wastewater survey?

No. Generally, the reporting on this is just is the amount of wastewater that you send downstream consistent with the number of connections you have? And the answer was yes. And so we didn't have any flags that were raised at the state level. Nobody was you know, we didn't get any comments on it, and so everything is everything is looking good.

So the this is just self reporting. They don't catch them to come out and

check things out or anything. Right? Yeah. I mean, there's things that if we answer them a certain way, it would raise a flag, and they would come out and check. But our wastewater system, as you'll probably see in our master plan, we when it's presented next month, is in pretty good shape. Knock on wood.

This isn't something that needs to be adopted by the city. It just needs to be reported. There needs to be a let me look at this really quick.

It's presented to the council, and you just it's like the water survey that we did a couple meetings ago. You just have to acknowledge that it's there and that you've seen it and that you understand that our system is compliant with the state requirements.

Council, since we have all five members here, do you have any questions regarding the input? And I would say if the answer is yes and you have questions later, we certainly have that information here in the office. Okay. All right. Since all five council members are present, that's acknowledged. The next item is to consider ordinance twenty twenty six zero two, an ordinance amending the house, the home occupancy ordinance to better define conditions and eliminate conditional use. Dania.

Yes. This is this is an amendment that should have been done quite a while ago. If you read our old ordinance, it's kind of choppy and doesn't make a lot of sense. And so this ordinance was taken from a different city based on state code, and it it, eliminates conditional use permits, which we're trying to get away from anyway. It's in this. Your home occupation is either allowed or it's not. There's not so many questions, and it goes through the criteria, the conditions of allowing that home based business or not. So if they have clients coming to their home, they are allowed within some anyway, you could you've probably read through it. It just helps outline the home. This is just home based business. This has nothing to do with commercial businesses. So it I don't know. That's all there is to it. We just needed to update the old one because it was very, very clunky.

Is that a good one? Client. Yeah.

One quick detail that the planning commission discussed heavily is fees and costs. The reason this was started is because the state made a law that said that we can't the city can't charge fees to a business license that doesn't have some kind of impact on our on our system. So if somebody is working you know, maybe they're a consultant, and they do most of their business online from their home office, but they never have people coming to their homes. They don't have deliveries coming. That's something the state said the city couldn't charge a fee for. Now if they want to come and get a business license from the city, then we can charge a fee because that costs time and energy. But that was the big change that kind of instigated this as we wanted to make it. So if somebody was doing that business and not having that impact on the community, on the neighborhood, then we didn't wanna force them to come in and get the fee just like the state mandated.

Any questions on this? I I would like although you're showing the the perfect code, it's it's nice when we have the amended

I did put the original code in there, but it's this one's really difficult because it is completely different. They don't Okay. It's not wiping out. It's just yeah. Okay. Yeah. It would be eliminating the other one and putting this in, but they both are in box. Okay. Thank you.

Yeah. So let's do we re certain. Do we have a legal review on this?

Our previous attorney looked at it and said it was fine. Okay. Thank you. Because we've been working on this one for a while.

I'll make a motion that we pass ordinance twenty twenty six dash o two.

I'll second that motion. Got a motion from Stephanie to approve twenty twenty six zero two ordinance and a second from Tiffany. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Motion carries five zero. The next item is consider ordinance twenty twenty six zero six, an ordinance creating 12 dot three zero dot 300 land use disturbance ordinance. I'd I'd ask people to have comment, or I would ask Mikael. She's here. This is coming out of planning, so you can give a rundown on this one.

Sure. I'm gonna read from my staff report. The summary request is creating a section of code that will allow the city to require supervision of development of infrastructure for subdivisions. In the past, subdividers would get their plat permitted, and then we wish them the best of luck. And there wasn't a whole lot of reporting. There wasn't a whole lot of detailed inspections coming back. They really didn't have to have any kind of permitting for grading, for digging, for excavating. We've instituted that I'm sorry? And so, again, this is a new section of code. It's a starting point for where we need to be. It specifically speaks to the subdivision infrastructure that needs to go in and the way that we can issue a grading permit for things that are bigger than landscaping but less than a gravel pit. Right? And then for actually putting in private infrastructure, water lines, sewer lines, and getting the inspections they need and those preconstruction meetings that are important that we know, there are SWIPs in place, and they're not tracking mud into the next subdivision from all the building they're doing, keeping, developers accountable for their land disturbance. The other thing that it does is it throws in one, definition, because we requested a definition of of a structure. And so I got together with the building department, and we said, isn't it doesn't it make sense that if something requires a building permit, it's a structure? Isn't that the simplest definition we can come up with? And that's what we landed on. I went into my planner's dictionary. It has many definitions for structures from many different municipalities. Some are quite lengthy about manmade and if it hooks up to utilities, this, that, or the other. But, really, if it requires a building permit, it's a structure. And if it doesn't require a building permit, then it doesn't it doesn't have to meet land use code.

Does this help us resolve a a a resident's concern on its I think it's only one aspect, but retaining walls?

It's the first step of that. Really, when we're worried about setbacks, we're mostly concerned with that front setback from the street and staying out of easements and that kind of thing. This is the first step to defining what needs a building permit and where those things can go. And if they're connecting it to the house? We haven't addressed Okay. We haven't taken it that far. What we've said is in Hyde Park City, if it requires a building permit, then it's a structure. And if it doesn't, then it's not.

K.

So the building permit department would be the ones that would go out and do the oversight on this?

On structures that require a building permit. Yes. Building inspection

there. Yep.

So for my land disturbance, which is mostly what this ordinance speaks to, we have public works inspections that come into play and engineering inspections. You guys passed wisely a temporary gravel pit ordinance allowing subdivisions to dig up dirt within their subdivision and use it within that subdivision. And this is one of the ways that that we could go about once they've got that permit. This is how we go about regulating that it's not going off-site or that it's not being used improperly.

Another piece of information is right now, we are having regular inspections of infrastructure as developers are installing it, but it's it's kind of as needed and as we're available. This will create a way to actually track it and have a, you know, receipts that show, yeah, we know what infrastructure was installed, and we can have a record now of when the inspections were done and how they were done.

My staff report was included in box. It has a possible motion attached to the bottom of it, along with the recommendation from the planning commission, and then also the ordinance itself was involved. And that's what Marcus has on the screen now.

I I do appreciate the staff reports. That's really helpful to get all of that information from the planning commission and recommendations. So thank you, and thanks to the planning commission and pass unanimously in planning commission. So counsel, do you have comments or motion?

I like this. So I would recommend that we approve ordinance twenty twenty six dash six, an ordinance creating title 12 chapter 30 section 300 to govern land disturbance.

So we got a motion from Tiffany to approve

I second it.

Twenty twenty six dash o six and a second from Dave. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Motion carried unanimous again. The next item is to consider plat amendment in Mountain Gate phase two. This is in your box. And

Mayor, I believe a representative was sent in place of the applicant.

If they're here and wanna be recognized, it would be good for them to present their case at this time. Certainly. If somebody is here that wants to speak to this, sorry. We put you at the end. We could actually if you want, we can move it further down the line. That's fine.

Okay. So in this instance, what happened was in the previous phase of that Lot one zero four a was built without that next phase to the east, which is 112 A. So at that time, the house was dug. It was staked out. City went through, looked at it, approved it, but it was in the wrong position to where the property line should have been. So that put the house on 104 A Wow. Nine feet away from the property line, which is not within so it's within the 10 foot setback. So in 112 A went to build their house last year, and it was noticed that it was the lot line was wrong. So then what we did is we went to both the homeowners of 104 A and 112 A and got an agreement to move the lot line over to onto 112 A, taking nine feet of that property and giving it to 104 A, putting 104 A within compliance plus, giving them what they thought they had, which is about 15 feet on that side. So 112 A was compensated and agreed. 104 a was an agreement on it. Both signed. Everything went through, went through planning and zoning. The last little check mark is today.

And both owners are amenable to this? Yes. Happy with it? Yep. Everybody's great with it. Alright. Okay.

We have that lot that's up at the end of the cul de sac on that one. Okay. I know exactly where this

is. So what you're proposing is

it's in compliance now. It's it's making With this yeah. With your agreement Yeah. Of allowing us to move that lot line to which planning and zoning agreed to look. Thank you, Graham. That puts us in that puts 1 048 in compliance and also makes them whole because they thought they had 15 feet on that property.

Yeah. So So my question is, so when this was discovered, it I guess you're with Sierra Homes? Yes. So you guys stepped up and handled this? Correct.

Yep. So we recognized there was so there was an an error on two parts. Right? So it could be an error on the superintendent at the time and also error on the city inspector. So but we both recognize that Sierra Homes is taking the burden of it and compensating Lot 112 a monetarily for that little strip of land

and giving it over to 104 A to make them whole. So typically, I'm gonna because I I heard something in there that piqued me, but I don't think the building inspection No. Did they measure that you're putting it in the right place, or they only measure they determine if you are building it correctly? Because I've so I think at the footing inspection, they're supposed to verify that it is within the setbacks

or away from the setbacks. So in the so Blaine Hamblin is one of our project managers on the development side, and he helped take this through. And he said that the city recognized on the on the the as far as the So the placement out on the curb was off, or That's the thing is here's what I think happened. So and this is where I say it's a part of my superintendent because I like to take responsibility for the errors of our people. Right? So I don't believe the sidewalk and the curb and gutter were poured at the time all the way to the property line. Because oftentimes, what happens is when you have a development, they'll stop the sidewalk and the curb So they back in and pour? Yeah. They won't break it up. But I me personally, I prefer just to pour a little bit long, and I'd rather cut it just so that everything is a 100% for the homeowner moving in. That's my preference, but I don't you know, I always get that. So if since if the curb wasn't there, there was no pin mark put in place, but there should have been a stake. So there stake. There should be a pin somewhere. Yes. There should have been a stake out front. So in the back, that back part is correct. It's just on the front. And and I but even though the city is to verify it, I I monetarily will take a 100% responsibility for this because my superintendent, if he had a question, should have called the I can see how much here. Not having that pen. So do you guys sometime will the superintendent sometimes run a string line for the inspector? Does anybody know? They're supposed to. Yeah. So then what happened was is if he ran the string line in the wrong spot Yeah. So

that's where, again, I want ran this curve short, and he ran the string line and put a stake at the end of the curve, and it's not the right place. Yeah. Right.

So so this is anyways,

everybody's in agreement. Thanks for handling that. I think it's I think this is simple counsel.

Gotta get back here. Do we need to make a motion on this? Yeah. Yeah. I'll make a motion on this one. I'll second.

So I I think Gerald made let me clarify what that motion is to approve the lot line adjustment, the plat amendment in the Mountain Gate Phase 2 subdivision. That's the motion from Gail's, second from Kirk. Any more discussion, counsel?

Do you need details like lot one twelve and one zero zero four of them? I wrote up a lovely possible motion in this task. Just read my cast motion.

Oh. Put a lot of love into that.

Well, yeah, Any more discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries five zero. Again, thank you for coming in, and Thank you. I'm sure the homeowners, future homeowners will appreciate what you've done recognizing them. So Thank you. Thanks. The next item is resolution twenty twenty six dash o six. Man, that number sounds familiar. No. There's an ordinance of that too. Oh, okay. I was that's where it is. Wait a minute. Yeah. A resolution adopting a tentative budget. So we have we have up on item f an ordinance with the same number, and this is a resolution with that number. Yes. Does that throw us off? Yeah. That's a resolution kind of statement though. They can have the same numbers. I just, I'm like, man, that number's not for me. Adopting the tentative budget for the 2627 fiscal year, recognizing this is a state requirement, not and we'll do the final budget in August. So Dania is going to take us through the requirements of this. I'll just leave it at that. K.

The first thing I need to do is make the official budget officer's statement, which is in there. But I have to read this word for word to you guys in a open meeting. Oh, good. Fame's still here. In accordance with the requirements of the State of Utah truth and taxation law, I hereby submit the interim budget for the Hyde Park City for the fiscal year twenty twenty six, twenty seven. The interim budget has been prepared in compliance with applicable provision of the Utah truth and taxation law and reflects a thorough evaluation of anticipated revenue, expenditures, and the operational needs of the city. As required by law, a property tax impact schedule has been prepared as it and is included in this interim budget. Due to the cash county auditor not yet publishing the certified tax rate and the certified rate revenue, the schedule reflects estimated values. So keep that in mind. We have we don't know what the real values are yet, and we won't know until sometime in June. So these are these are estimates. Hyde Park City is considering a property tax increase of approximately 11%, which is projected to generate an additional 110,000 in tax revenue consisting of general fund increase of 110,000. Estimated impacts to taxpayers based on an on a $600,000 average home value include the residential property, approximately $35.50 annual increase, and a business property, approximately $55.02 annual increase. High Park City is considering an increase in the certified tax rate to point zero zero one one zero, bringing the current property tech revenue of 1,000,000 to an estimated 1,100,000. Oh, excuse me. That should be 110,000. The property tax schedule also outlines the operation impact of the proposed increase if not adopted, including and this is where this year, we have to put in the budget what would happen if we don't get this increase. And so there's separate line items in the budget that you'll see that was updated to the to box. So the proposed budget in streets is 1,622,000. The budget without the tax would be 1,512,000 for a budget change of 110,000. The impact of no tax increase, the public works department will not be able to hire an additional employee to help run equipment, etcetera, and the city will not be able to repair additional sidewalks and curb and gutter. In compliance with truth and taxation requirements, the city will provide notice of and conduct public hearings as required by law, where members of the public will have an opportunity to comment on the proposed budget and the proposed property tax increase. Instructions for virtual participation will be posted online on the Utah public meeting notice web site and on our website not later than twenty four hours before the public hearing. The public budget hearing, which incorporates a certified tax in rate increase, is scheduled for June 10. So tonight, you are going to be approving a tentative budget, but that just is until June 10 when we have a public hearing, and we will approve an interim well, we will consider, sorry, consider an interim budget until our truth in taxation hearing, which is scheduled for August 26 at 07:00PM. Oh, and the public hearing for the certified for the budget is June 10 at 07:00PM. They were both to be held here at the Hyde Park City Council Chambers. That's 113 East Center in Hyde Park. Based on the best information currently available, the interim budget is balanced and designed to maintain essential public services, add address rising operational costs, and support the long term financial stability of Hyde Park City.

So Thank you, Donna. Yep. So this the the resolution, I don't need to go through the whereas. Is that correct? We just go Right. That's that's I'm assuming you guys did. If you would like us, we can. But We can go through and

The warehouses are bay basically saying that

we did this. That you did that, but the staff shall include the public budget hearing as incorporated as served by tax rate as required by law. Do we need to go through those portions and read that word for word too?

I know. That's not required. No. I can't hear this. That oh, sorry. That's not required. Yeah. That's not required.

But Donya explained very well when all of these things are happening, and this resolution adopts the context and the the meat out of the statement that she had. The tax rate is going to what we've had before in the past. So let me get back out of here. Go to

Dania, can you explain the last Okay. Where whereas in that resolution talking about the budget officer presenting so forth and so on on a separate item on the agenda?

Yeah. I'll read that. Whereas the city council acknowledges that the budget officer is presenting to the city council as a separate item on the agenda in the same public meeting, a property tax impact schedule separate from the budget documents. And that's what that was. It was a budget officer statement and schedule is what I presented, that long thing that I read. So that whereas is just saying that I did that, and it was a separate item on the

agenda, which is this resolution. Item h. Yeah. And so And that okay. And that part in there was the the schedule, the tax impact schedules, what impact it would have on the streets. That was part of that. Okay. Thank you. Yes.

Yes. So with resolution twenty twenty six dash o six adopting a tentative twenty twenty six, twenty seven fiscal budget ending 06/30/2027. I'd look for a motion to approve or disapprove.

I'll make the motion to approve

resolution twenty twenty six dash o six. Got a Russian motion from Gail to approve resolution twenty twenty six zero six. I'll second it. And a second from Stephanie that is adopting our tentative budget. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any any opposed with nay? Does this one as a budgetary thing require a roll call vote? I know we did that in police commission.

That that would be that would be great. Let's just let's do that to Let's do that. Yeah.

Councilman Fowles, how do you vote?

Yay.

Kirk? Yay. Geralt? Yay. Tiffany?

Aye, yes.

Stephanie? Yay. Again, it's unanimous. The next item is to consider a safety charter for the safety committee. And

I

I copied somewhere else. You got that corrected. It came out with the name. Right, Kurt? Or David?

Yes. We changed it to the Hyde Park City traffic safety committee charter. Marcus had a a comment that perhaps we ought to have this looked at by our by legal and also recommended that we may wanna consider having a member of the Planning Commission as part of this committee. And I thought those were good ideas. And I guess so at this point, maybe rather than discuss this further to approve this evening, if everyone's looked at it, just, you know, I guess maybe I would say let's continue this if if we need to, you know, take some kind of action on it. Otherwise, we could bring it up at a later date.

We continue it? Can we have it continue to

no later than the end of June? Yeah. And I think my biggest concerns is we're going from an informal committee to a formal committee that's gonna have to follow open and public meetings act. And so I just want review from the city attorney to make sure that these hold up to the letter of the law with open and public meetings act. And

putting this together, my thoughts have been mostly that the committee is serving purpose for addressing safety concerns. One that there is some what authorities they have and what they don't have. If we buy and they're recommending replacements of a stop sign replacement, not new, but replacement of certain things because they're faded and things like that, They have, they would have that authority to do that. And Dave being on that safety committee would give a report out here. If they are changing traffic flow, they do not, or speed, adding stop sign yields, anything like that. That that has to come back to this council

for approval. That was a big thing. So we And that should have some kind of warrant study attached to it as well. And the chief always provides great data Yes. With the speed trailer. That's kinda step one. And then it would need to have some sort of analysis

with turns and everything else to say, yeah, this is a good thing, and it needs to happen. So we went through those functions on the stop sign on the Northeast, but we did have this charter, but I wanted to have some structure for it and things like that. And similar to the charters for senior, the front porch, things like that so that if we have an organization comes in and just want to give back, they have an approved authorized group from the city. So there you go. So I have a motion from Dave, I believe, to continue this. And I've Dave, are you good with no later than the end of June?

Yeah. I think that'd be fine, Mayor. You bet.

We've got motion from Dave and a second from Kurt. Any discussion? All those in favor, say aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye. And

in the opposed with nay, motion carries five zero again. There was one thing I didn't inform people on. We are continuing forward with project back 40. And as always, you know, there'll there'll be an agreement that's really extremely high level coming to the council. We have a meeting tomorrow at what time? Three? Three? Yeah. I think. Three or yeah. Something like that. And you're gonna be there anyway for a different meeting, I think Yeah. At four. So can you come early and want to there? Yep. I can have two council members there. There's nothing that really hasn't been discussed in DRC. But, anyway, I know Dave had expressed some some want to her to be able to be in those meetings, but I don't think Dave can be there tomorrow. Is that correct, Dave?

Yeah. I I am out of town unless you wanna Zoom or someone else is available and wants to sit in. I've I've attended some of those recent DRC meetings, so I'm a little bit aware of where where things are right now.

Okay. So Tiffany is gonna be there. And if somebody else wants to be there, please let me know so that we make sure that we can't have more than two Council members there. With that, Dave, do you have anything to report to the group?

Yeah. We do. There's there's a second another item on the agenda. Some Oh, yeah. Yes, sir. Yes. Some traffic flow recommendations. And just I wanna thank Bob Christiansen and Sherry Nate, some of our residents that sit in on that are part of that safety committee along with the mayor and and Daryl. So we've had some good meetings, and I uploaded Box. There's there's several items. Some of these we've been discussing for a number of months. And so there's some committee recommendations, and I'll just go down the list as I loaded them up in Box. And I'll just describe those so that everyone knows. As you come north from North Logan on on their eight hundred east or two hundred fifty east in Hyde Park, as you move from North Logan into Hyde Park, there's a 35 mile an hour speed limit. Within, I don't know, a 100 feet or so, there's another, sign that says 20 miles per hour because you're entering a roundabout. Then as you go through the roundabout and continue on into Hyde Park City past Legacy Park, there are no speed limit signs at that location. And so the the committee is recommending that we, take down just remove the 35 mile an hour speed limit. You're you're all the speed limit in North Logan at that location is 30 miles an hour. Within a 100 feet or so, you'll see the roundabout where it says 20 miles an hour. And then as you go through that roundabout continuing north on 250 East, at that location, that's where the committee recommends putting a 25 mile per hour sign, which is in accordance with kind of our city core speed limits. So that's one recommendation.

It's going back part. Continue, Dave.

So so that's that's the first piece. I guess, as I I I didn't put it in the notes, but now I'm thinking about it. North of the roundabout, heading southbound on 250 East, there is a speed limit sign. It is 35 miles an hour. So, again, we'd we'd probably wanna maybe take that one down and put a 25 mile an hour sign. But at at this point, we're directly addressing to remove the 35 mile an hour sign and then add 25 mile an hour on on the north side. The next item is in that same area, northbound on 250 East along Legacy Park. During soccer season, that part of the street gets just you know, it's loaded with with cars, parents, children getting in and out of cars, parking along the street there. In fact, some park quite close to the roundabout, obstructing views again as you would be heading north. And so the recommendation from the committee would be to put no no parking signs along on the the east side northbound 250 East along Legacy Park. We we had a discussion that there's limited parking in that area. It gets quite busy with soccer, and so we might wanna consider putting some overflow parking, even if it's initially a gravel, but in our Legacy Park North parking lot, maybe need to extend that east. So that was our second item or no parking signs along Park. Kinda like the issue we've had down on Center Street down by the school where we had a lot of parking down there, and we got the fence up and no parking just because it's a a safety concern. The third item, down at Cedar Ridge Elementary School, there's a 20 mile per hour sign, because it's a school. But, generally, kids aren't present there during during summer, during the day, so forth, and so on. So it was recommended that we just add a when present when children are present sign to have speed limit. Otherwise, it'd be 25 miles an hour long, like, along 200 West like it is most other places in the city, except when children are present, then it would be the 20 miles per hour. Any questions so far from anybody on those three items?

No. Okay. On the Okay. On the two Yep. The left, children present, that's going into that

So on 202 Hundred West, both north and south of Cedar Ridge Elementary School, you have the sign that you can see. We've got a photo of, and these are just off Google Maps. But it shows it being a school, speed them at 20 miles an hour.

What does that young part say? School. Cool.

Oh. Yeah. So the point the the the point is is that if kids aren't present, then it ought to be probably, you know, same speed limit as everywhere else in town.

So, chief, what's did you look at this one too? What's your recommend I understand the 20 mile an hour school zone. We go through that on 8th East and North Logan all the time, but, otherwise, it's 25. Right. So that 20 mile an hour speed limit is only during school hours, during during that time drop off and or beating school and end of school is when that's active. Otherwise, it is the twenty five.

We just need to make sure we have the right signage on that sign. Right. Yeah. I think so the yellow school sign is for us. It's trying to designate that that's the speed limit during school hours. I think that's how I would interpret. If if I was driving by, I would assume, like, oh, if if school's going on, this is the speed limit. And if it's not, it should be driving 25. Yep. Slow as well.

That's And that and I was just gonna say, that is not what everybody interprets that as. As they see that sign, it says speed them at 20 miles an hour. And so the recommendation was that you you clarify that by maybe just putting when when, children are present when students are present, but however that is addressed.

Do you have any questions on these three suggestions? Because these are changing traffic flow, so it comes to the council for this.

I I have a comment on the first one. I feel like if it's 30 miles an hour through North Logan that we ought to keep it that. But I know for the roundabout, you slow down and then just to keep it 30 miles an hour to keep it uniform with North Logan.

I the the only challenge I have on that is a requirement going past a city park. And mayor Peterson and I have had energetic discussions on the East West because that's 3,100. That's where North Logan goes down to Green Canyon. And Yes. So we've had good discussions, and I've said, well, you guys ought to change at North Logan, and we make that whole road out. And that wasn't well received. Well and

and to your point, mayor, when with what we have there right now, you go 30 miles an hour in North Logan. You see this sign. You can now go 35 miles an hour in Hyde Park. You slow down for the roundabout. But when I come out of the roundabout, apparently, I can still go 35 miles an hour north along Legacy Park because you there's the next 25 mile an hour sign isn't until you get up on 200 South. And so you just do away with the 35 mile an hour sign. That kinda means, okay. You're still going 30 like you were in North Logan, and then you put the 25 mile an hour sign on the north side as you come out of the roundabout. And it's very clear that you need to be going slower than 35 along the park.

Just move the one from 200 to replace that one. Does it have to be a like, those are relatively close together. Do we need both of them, or can we just move that one

to where the 35 mile an hour is and then, you know, that whole stretch is probably 25? Or is that Yeah. I mean, this is why, usually, you wanna have an engineering study because they go through and look at the corridor. And then based on the recommendations for like, there's a reference to the manual for uniform traffic control devices and other safety measures. They could go in and say, well, you've already got a stop a sign up there. Just move it down. Or, no, you need another one because of the spacing rule. And so we can we can have a high level study done pretty quickly to look at all these recommendations and then have an engineering opinion saying, yeah. That's good or no. It's not necessary. I I don't mind the one going from North Logan to

to Hyde Park because long ago, this road used to be 35 all the way through it. North Logan decided to have a residence along that road committee, and they dropped it to 30. And then they said, well, Brian, you should drop it drop it. I'm like, no. You never talked to us. So this was kinda created for me about six years ago or eight years ago because I was protesting North Logan doing that without, you know, in the vacuum. So

If I were gonna pick a priority, though, on your list, I think the roundabout and the parking at the park, is it gonna be a bigger issue again this summer? I think that would probably be I would suggest to be on the top of the list of things to be done.

So we certainly can have some more insight at least a high level engineering. I don't think we should pay thousands of dollars for Sunrise or anybody to do this. I know we got traffic studies from the chief and things like that. So I think if you want to implement, you know, number two and three, and let's get a little more input on one. I certainly, I I think we send a mixed message coming from North Logan 30 all the way through. And then right when it gets to Hyde Park, just before the roundabout, we got 35.

Yeah. The other question to be answered is funding. The safety committee is allotted a percentage of funds. I think it's, what, 5,000 this year for the projects they want to recommend. I believe we've already spent that portion, and so now this goes back to the city council to decide, are these projects we wanna try to get done this fiscal year, or are they gonna wait until the new fiscal year, and then we can pull from the safety committees? We're forty five days away from the new fiscal year. So Right.

Yeah. Mayor, if I could speak to item three real quick. The 20 mile an hour zone or speed limit sign in front of the the school there is meant for the school. That's why that speed dropped from the normal speed down to 20. If you add when children are present, you open yourself up also. What if it's not during the school time and you happen to have kids that are out walking? Or Playing Frisbee football during the summer. Yeah. Or, you know, the faith walk, that comes and there's kids there. There's some different interpretations there, I think, ought to be looked at or considered besides just adding when children are present because it it's two separate situations. It's meant the speed limit reduction is meant for during that specific time.

Maybe it's Will there be 20 mile of our zoning?

High Yeah. School zones. School zones, wind zones. And But they're gonna have they will have crossing guards and things like that. Things like that. K. Well, and we have yet to see their traffic plan, so we can only guess.

Right. Yeah. So, anyway, that would be my passion with that is

Maybe there's more education through the city newsletter. And, you

know That that's kinda what what it sounded like to me that that just means, I guess, a driver has to guess when school is in session or not in session when and they get to drive 20 or 25 miles an hour, that that's doesn't sound as specific as it ought to be to me either.

Well,

the way that that they handle that in front of North Park Elementary, for example, is when the lights are flashing. And if the lights are flashing, it's the 20 mile an hour, and they have the, the big placards or whatever, you know, that stand up and say school zone on each end of that. When those are not there and the lights are not flashing, it's it's not

20 mile an hour. Now we're talking about the $15 to thousand dollar fix. Yeah. Yeah.

Not going there. So

Count council, you certainly can continue this to get more information. I think perhaps Dave, we ought to look at some things on this. I I did notice in North Logan, the roundabout, if you're traveling on there, 8 East, as you turn to go down to the police department, one of those nice flashing, department, one of those nice flashing

pedestrian crossing signs was taken out. Nice. I did see that. Yes. That was a flash at end. Do we know

is it hitting well, the

I know You can figure out who did that that you'd ask because those things are expensive. Those are expensive. So Mayor, just quickly before we move on, I just wanna put in a plug and a thank you to the safety committee because I think this is how it should go. I think, you know, Dave and the committee put a lot of work into these, and maybe the city council's not gonna go for all of them, but I think it's how it should be. There should be list of recommendations. City council evaluates which ones are important. We take those ones back for a study like we should, and then that study decides, k, of the priorities that the council decided on, here's what you should do. I think we're following a very appropriate process for what's happening here.

Agree completely with that there. So

There's one last item on the next page. Again, this one and I've talked with chief and and Sunrise. We've been working the safety committee has been working on this for a number of months. Currently, we have yield signs, at one Hundred West along one hundred west at one hundred north and two hundred north. The recommendation is to change those yield signs to stop signs. There's been a couple accidents there over the last couple years. Not enough to warrant that change based on just traffic accidents, But there have been accidents. There's been several near misses. I was one that almost got t boned. Somebody just kinda blowing through the yield sign. What we're really looking at is that 100 North and 200 North are local minor roads, which intersect with 100 West, which is a main arterial road, and it's also the designated bike lane through that part of town. The manual on uniform traffic code devices, which basically guides and directs, all these kinds of things, and I've included the the statement there that, stop control on the minor road approach or approaches to an intersection should be considered when engineering judgment indicates that one or more of the following conditions exist. And, I'll just jump down to to item c because that's the one that really fits that the intersection is of a lower functional classification road with a higher functional classification road. Just just to note that on 100 West, North of these two intersections of both 300 North and 450 North, there are stop signs. So by changing those two yields to stops, it would be pretty much the same at 30450 North. And just by way information, there's a couple other intersections in town with much less traffic. One near the mayor's house and a couple other places where there are currently stop signs. So, anyway, that was another recommendation. And we've had some citizen input. That's really what got this started as I was contacted by some some individuals who live at those intersections and have, identified accidents and and near misses. So that's the last recommendation for now from the, Safety Committee.

Well, let's make sure we thank the safety committee and, and appreciate that. And the council doesn't take that lightly on the input. I think there's a lot of variations that we need to consider for multiple things. I'd like to be able to address everything at once versus approve this, approve part of this one, and let's not approve this. So council, but it's up to you to make a recommendation, but I think these are all things that we need some, perhaps some more input on some of them. So

I think just a quick question to clarify. Are there any of these that the council would not want us to move forward with an engineering traffic study to determine

Do we I don't know the importance. But all of them need to study, like adding the their suggestion to add when children are present? I just don't think that's necessary. Yeah. I'm gonna ask because there's a certain standard, a certain level of change in the behavior that would need it. The right answer. It's the question.

Yeah. So I'm gonna have to take this back. I'll start with Sunrise Engineering since they've done traffic master plans for us in the past and just ask what those standards are. And then if it's gonna end up costing a lot of money, I can bring that back to the council to approve and have kind of a path forward.

I think these are all really good recommendations. Obviously, things we need to consider, but maybe we do need more information to make a full appropriate decision, I guess. So maybe we continue it to our next meeting. Is that

next meeting? We got a full meeting on twenty seventh Two meetings. In June. So we we're filling June up quick too, but we definitely wanna get some of these, put in. We're coming to the end of the school year, but we wanna get them put in before the next. So if we can get it in the June or

first one in July I think it should be a quick quick one. Quick. Yeah. If the engineering

and chief says, yeah. Let's get it all. Yeah. I'm just wondering about the agendas in June. They're filling up with a lot of things, but it should be something that we could read, digest, and make motion on quickly. I agree there. Can can we approve the three that in either three that I don't have problems? Well, I I think there's

Sure. I mean, the

the the first one is doesn't cost us anything to do and is not changing anything but saying go from 30 in North Logan to 35 and then hurry up and slow down so you go 20 through the roundabout and then go 35 past Legacy Park because that's the last sign they saw. So I think if you just take down the 35 and and I'd have to go back and look, but I think the 25 mile an hour sign is is you turn east off the 250 North on 200 South. And I think what Tiffany recommended was a rather than putting it there, you you put it down on 250, and you're not gonna change anything. I don't know that we need the engineering traffic study to say that we can put up a 25 mile an hour sign when you come into town next to a park. But

I I know that it seems really easy, but my problem is I just don't know what those thresholds are. But I do know that if Citi improperly changes a traffic pattern without appropriate studies, we can be open to liability if there's an accident. And so I'm just trying to suggest that we dot all the i's and cross all the t's and give me some time to find out what those thresholds are. And then I can come back and say, well, actually, Dave, you were right, and we don't need to study, and we'll just move that sign.

Or, well, we did need a little study, and here's what it found out. And that that'll we'll become educated on this so we can maybe make decisions with that. Faster? Yeah. Because sometimes you pay as much engineering as just gets

signs in, but I understand the liability. Well, I'm hoping we can catch our engineers at, like, a DRC where they're already being paid to be there by application fees, and I can get a quick a quick look over this to tell me if we're gonna need to spend more money or if they can whip something up for us. So

So was that

a motion? Yes. That was a motion for me, I guess. So Tiffany

said something of a motion to continue this into June so that we can We have time to get there. Give a little more input. Make a more decision. I think it it might be continue, it might be more to educate the council than it is for the traffic. It's educating us. So

But that gives Marcus time to take care of this movement. He's he's concerned.

Right. Okay. I'll second it. We have a motion from Tiffany to continue and a second from Stephanie. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. And those opposed, say nay. Motion carries unanimous. I had started ahead on something I shouldn't have, But, well, actually, this segue did today. Now we'll go to Kirk. Do you have any comments?

Gerald?

No. Tiffany?

Saturday, we're having our healthy walkabout for our grant and building community garden boxes. If anybody wants to come get your miles in for the city mile to come help garden boxes to build to build our garden boxes. And we need to do a healthy access walk audit, healthy food access walk audit. And it's What do you mean? It would just be it's at 9AM.

K. 9AM, Saturday morning, healthy walk, come help put community garden together. The public works has been putting water together for it. So k. Stephanie. Nothing. Stephanie is enduring the ninth. Just kidding. Thank you. With that, we need to go into a closed meeting, and there's reasons to go into a closed meeting is to discuss the character, professional competence, physical or mental health of an individual to discuss number two would be discuss collective bargaining. Number three, discuss pending or reasonable imminent litigation. And number four is to purchase exchange or lease of real property including in form of water rights shares or to dissolve proposed development agreements to discuss proposed development agreements. Sorry. Project proposals or financing proposal related to the development of land owned by the state or a political subdivision. Tonight, we're wanting to go into a closed session to discuss item number four. So I that would need to be a motion. What we would do is have a motion and a second. The recording would stop. It will be recorded to start it again, but I was if necessary, we can take Bye. Couple moments utility breaks. Yeah. I think it'll be a very short meeting. Once we come out of that, there would be a motion that would need to be made based on anything. We can't make motions in the closed session. And then we'd make a motion if you agree with something, and then we would just end have a motion to close the city council. That would be the only thing left.

I'll make a motion that we go into closed session.

Got a motion to go in closed session by Stephanie.

Second from Kirk. You need to state the reason.

Pardon?

Make a notion that we go into closed session to discuss, number four, the purchase exchange or lease of real property, including any form of water right or water shares.

Sanas? That's great. Thank you. K.

And Kirk seconded that. He doesn't need to read that. No. Yep. Any discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay. We stop the recording. Right. We will end the