Hyde Park City Council Meeting 1.14.2026

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Yeah. Oh my goodness. We wanna welcome everybody to our Hyde Park City Council meeting for January 14. We appreciate all the attendance, and we look forward to having some good discussions tonight. We're going to have the opening ceremony, which is a prayer and pledge will be led by Councilman Brower. And then I will turn it over to Donya to swear at to swear us in to the oath of oath of office. So

go ahead.

Our father in heaven, we're thankful that we could live in this great land. We're grateful for all that we have and all we've been blessed with and especially to be able to live here in Hyde Park. We're thankful for all that we've been given and blessed with. We're thankful for the opportunities we have of being able to live here and for the opportunities we have to help our neighbor. We're grateful as councilmen to be able to help in in a small way of being able to help this city move forward. We're thankful for all of the blessings we have in life. We pray that that will bless our nation. Bless all those that lead us and guide us, that they may be blessed and guided too. We're thankful for all of these things. We pray for insights and help in all that we do in our lives, that we may be in a a guiding light to others around us and that we can be here to help and support those that we need to. We pray for all of these blessings now and ask Thee for Thy care and keeping and do it in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Amen.

Would you all stand with me in the pledge? I pledge allegiance to the flag

of The United States Of America

and to the Republic for which it stands,

one nation under God,

Thank you. Yeah. Marcus, could you take pictures for her and I'll do. Oh, Tiffany. Oh, yeah. I'm ready. Much better choice for you.

You need to start with me. Okay. If

I go on, Sarah.

I I, Brian Carlos. Do solemnly swear Do solemnly swear. That I will support That I will support. Obey and defend Obey and defend. The constitution of The United States The constitution of The United States. And the constitution of the state of Utah. And the constitution of the state of Utah. And that I will discharge the duties? And that I will discharge the duties Of my office. Of my office. As mayor As mayor. To which I've been elected To which I've been elected. Of fidelity. With fidelity. Okay. Hi.

Hi, David Pals. So And so I will swear. That I will support That I will support Obey and defend. Both say and defend. Constitution of The United States. The constitution of The United States. Constitution of the state of Utah. And the constitution of the state of Utah. And that I will discharge the duties. And that I will discharge the duties. Of my office as city council. Of my office as city council. To which I have been elected. To which I have been elected. With fidelity. With fidelity.

I'm actually working this way.

I'm I'm Gerald Osborne. Solemn and swear. Solemn and swear. That I will support. That I will support. Obey and defend. Obey and defend. The Constitution of The United States. The Constitution of The United States. And the Constitution of the State of Utah. And the Constitution of the State of Income. And then I will discharge the duties. And I will discharge the duties. My office. My office. A city council. City council. To which I have been elected. Which I have been elected. With with Fidel. With Fidel.

Thank you. Thank you, Don. So it's

we have one more. Oh, yeah.

Sure.

K. I, Enelita Jacobson, do solemnly swear do solemnly swear that I will support that I will support, obey and defend, obey and defend the constitution of The United States, the constitution of The United States, And the constitution of the state of Utah. And the constitution of the state of Utah. And that I will just discharge the duties And I will discharge the duties Of my office of my office As city treasurer. As city treasurer Which I should be appointed To which I have been appointed with Fidel. Yay. Yay. Thank you.

I'll tell you, we usually don't clap, but I applaud all of them for stepping up and and doing this. It's and and those that ran for office but wasn't elected, I applaud them. And and she although she wasn't elected to city council, I she wanted to serve, so she's on our planning commission. So that's a good thing. But thank you, Gerald. Thank you, Dave, for stepping forward and being willing to take care of the biz business of the city. This is the only time you get sworn in for office. The rest of them is typically sworn at because of your office. So it's because of what you did today. What? No. I I've served with these all of these people for some time, and I I do appreciate all of them. And Melissa, although she not city council, Susan Volz is retiring, who's kind of our institutional knowledge of the city. And we went through quite a process, and Melissa was selected for that. And the job is an appointed position. And she's we expect her to be exactly as good as good as Susan. Oh, yeah. But it's it's big shoes to fill for Susan. Pardon?

Give her at least a couple weeks. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. You know? By the end month. But

by the end of twenty eight years like Susan. Yeah. You you just don't teach that kind of institutional knowledge. So we appreciate you coming forward and serving with the city. The next item on the agenda is to accept the meeting minutes from December 10. Dave, do you have any comments? I don't. I'm good with them.

I have a comment if I could turn our attention to line two thirty eight. It was concerning giving planning commission chair our advice and consent. And I'm willing to let Mike Moses Oh. Have my consent as long as he doesn't wander us through the wilderness for forty years.

That was to be on the planning commission.

Yes. K. So it's line two thirty eight, Tanya. Michael Moses.

Let my people go. Alright. Tiffany, any for me?

Carol, can you go there?

I wasn't here, and I apologize. But that's that's alright. It could. With that, I look for a motion to accept the agenda as amended with the grammatical correction. Or the not the amendment, but accept the agenda as written with the amendment.

I'll move to accept the minutes from our previous meeting with that amendment change.

Got a motion from Dave. Is there a second? I'll second. A second from Gerald. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay. Motion carried five zero. The next item is to approve the agenda for which we have tonight. Council, you look if you look in box, you'll see the regular agenda agenda that you'd normally see, but you will also see an agenda that I uploaded. And that one is tying everything that we're doing to specific goals in our general plan so that we know what we're doing is tied back to a general plan. And if we're doing something that doesn't tie to the general plan outside of administrative, why are we doing it? What you know, there may be very good reason, but it's something I think we need to be thinking because we never know how good we are unless we monitor and measure ourselves. And how do we know that? So but I'm going to be running from the one that Donya had. I uploaded the other. So I have no other changes to the agenda that Donya uploaded, which everybody has was able to get them back.

I'll make a motion that we accept the agenda.

Got a motion from Stephanie to accept the agenda as written. I'll second it. Second from Tiffany. Any discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Motion carried five zero. And as as thrilling as this is for the grandkids, you don't have to stay, but there will be a test. That's right. The next item on the agenda is for to receive citizen input, questions, or comments specifically for the city the mayor and the city council, should be limited to three minutes. We may not be able to answer at this time because we may not have the information. So we've asked you if it's not currently on the agenda. We ask you to come forward at this time. Look like you're getting ready. No. Okay. Having no comment, we'll we'll close the the resident input portion. The next item is for council business for mayor's staff. So I will say, I think I've done this most of the time on on on my portion is for us as council and mayor. The expectations for us is to come and be ready. My goal is that we have hour meetings, hour hour and a half. Outside of that is an exception, not the rule. And we come ready to discuss the items that we have so that we can be aware, and we've done our research. And I know Marcus, Mikael, Donya, myself were open all week long to discuss any of these items, so please utilize those tools at your disposal. The other thing that I have is I've spoken to Mike Moses, Mike Moses, and Melinda, and Melinda's willing to chair our planning commission. And I think that is good to be able to get more experience in running the the planning commission to increase that depth of knowledge. When we lost a few people, quick turnover, we really struggle with having that depth of knowledge. And I know Melinda is is very experienced in this. So this, I would look for a proven consent for Melinda to chair the planning commission. Yep. Okay. I've got a proven consent, five zero. The other item I spoke with Gerald about this and, again, trying to share some of the the love around. I've asked Tiffany if she would serve as mayor pro tem, and maybe we wouldn't I don't know. Maybe we won't do it for four years like Gerald was stuck at doing it. But but, again, to get more experience, don't necessarily have this one. I don't believe I have to have a proven consent, but I would look to the council to support Tiffany when she's Absolutely. Here and and doing things if I happen to be gone. The and thank you, Tiffany. You do it. Buckle up, buttercup. K. No. You're you're awesome. I think really appreciate you doing that. We're gonna go into item eight. Mayor. Resolution twenty twenty six, o two of resolution amending the utility building practices and water shutoff policies. The chief was gonna give a little report. Oh, man. I I forgot everybody else. I But it You know, that's me being self centered. But, Marcus, do you do you have anything for staff?

I set aside a lot of time. Well, hopefully, not too much time. I had it separated out as an agenda item at the end to go over my general plan report that I uploaded. I hope everyone had a chance to read that riveting 20 pages. The other report in there for your consideration is the council asked for an update on the major developments going on in the city. That is in box. I can answer any questions you may have, but I don't really wanna take a ton of time to go over them all because there's a lot of moving pieces with each of those.

So if there's any specific questions about any developments, I could answer those. So Marcus went through and did what I did for the agenda. I I did it as I have a master file in there for drop downs when I sec select economic, then the short term and long term goals. And Marcus put them all on a short 21, 22 pages, all of our general plan goals. So please review that. Those that's how it works. I like it. I so it's good. That that's Yeah. Really good information. So and then all the developments there, it's hard to keep track of everything that's happening.

Chief?

I guess I should not Last but not least, chief. Sorry. That is okay.

I know you have a full agenda tonight, and I have put some numbers together from our staff from 2025. I have a full report that I'll be giving to the police commission in February on the fifth there. But briefly, I wanted to kind of share with the city and and council, the top 10 calls for service for, Hyde Park as we broke those down. The number one being animal problems. When I took over anything as chief in 2022 there were nine thirty one animal problems for that year. Two forty eight of those were in Hyde Park. This year, we had 234 Hyde Park. In 2022 actually, 2023, we started to reduce those calls for service with things that citizens could still find access to through private businesses. We were getting a lot of calls for like taking care of the marmots and things like that that we just couldn't do anymore. So we started to reduce some of those calls. This year for animal problems total, we had 766 between North Logan and Hyde Park.

Our second highest Chief, could you define an animal problem for me? Is it dogs barking all night long? Is it deer that are

It could be that raccoon in your window well. Animal Just once Yeah. What what what's the any idea what the what the majority of these animal problems are? I would have to break that down. It's the way that our RMS system is is set up right now. They don't have that broken down into that much detail on there. We'd have to go into the reports, but it does involve anytime a citizen calls and is asking for help with an animal, whether it be in the window well or a a dog bite or a dog barking or a dog that's loose or,

vice versa, anything that deals with the animal shark. I know that the planning commission spends quite a bit of time last week talking about nuisance, not necessarily just nuisance animals, but I know that that's something that One would be on their radar. And so just something that I thought would was interesting when I saw this way up here versus anyway. Thank you. Yep.

Medicals were our next highest at 117 out of Hyde Park. Then you can see as you go down the line VIN inspections. The medicals are a high priority on their their priority one type call. Our animal problems bin inspections the citizen assists are not generally a high priority. If an accident comes out or medical those would take priority over the citizen assists. We had ninety eight of those. We had seventy eight accidents. 366 for the year total for the department. More than one a day which is a huge amount of time when you're talking. Some of those accidents are taking three four hours to do especially the big ones on that to investigate those. Intrusion alarms we had 61 of those for the year. Tie that to the burglaries that we had throughout the the last year and a half or two years here. We are seeing an uptick in those on that traffic offenses. School assists suspicious incidents and ATLs all were the were the lowest there on those. And none of those were generally the high priority tech calls on that. So that's kind of where we sit for the top 10 of that.

Chief, what are citizen assist?

Citizen assist range from many variety of things. Sometimes well, for instance, we had one yesterday where a citizen called because their boy wouldn't get up to go to school. And they wanted help with from the police to make their kid go to school. And then sometimes they're building questions like how do I get a protective order? Or how do I get a bin inspection? Or how do I do this? So sometimes it's that. Sometimes they're they come in and just wanna talk about questions that they have, a legal problem that they have. So they they range from a very wide range of of things. But generally, it involves contacting the citizen, driving to their house, and so forth. So there is some time that's involved with that.

So if kids don't go to school, the parents can call the police then. Yep. I got four grandkids sitting here. I just want them to know.

But I maybe shouldn't say this, but my number one answer for that when I was called and asked, my kid won't get out of bed. What do I do? I said, you take a pitcher of cold water and you pour it on them. They'll get out of bed. And I thought, well,

there's a solution. In search of a problem. There's a there's a there's a

in our police commission meeting, I'll be going over more detail Right. Those calls and the type of calls that we have. This start of this year has been a very crazy start. So for instance, last year, NorthPark filled it five aggravated assault calls for the entire year. In the first two weeks of January this year, we filled it four. One of those being last night here in Hyde Park. They had two drunk people who were fighting, and one ended up in jail on second degree felony assault charge, and the other ended up down the hospital with broken orbital socket on that. So our domestics are up. Our really high priority calls are up from what they have been. I was telling Marcus we're averaging about 38% to 42% priority versus non priority on that where it requires an immediate response from police on that. Marcus, if you could flip to that next page. So oh, this do you have the other one? No. I just got this one. Well, that's okay. This is from, the first week. This is the twenty eighth to the January 3 there. I wanted to talk real briefly about that bottom left graphic, the call for service by year. In 2023, Mayor Cox and Mayor Peterson asked me as chief to really go through and kind of to make sure that what was being reported was accurate, that it really was the calls that we weren't just walking by a door and going, yep. That building's safe, and we're making a call for it. We're not over inflating the numbers. So in 2023, our numbers were fifty seven twenty, 5,720 spread between my 10 guys, in patrol mine. In '24, that went up to fifty eight seventy four. And in 2025 this year, we ended just below 6,000 there. So 5,906. Take into account that is also taking out those animal calls that we have reduced down as well as some other calls, lockouts and things like that. We're seeing about a 1% increase every year, which corresponds to actually to the growth that we're seeing as as cities, as Hyde Park and North Logan. We're still going up. We're still doing more with the 10 officers. Like I said, they're taking more every year on that. The other stat that I wanted to point out that is interesting, this year, we we have what's called a minimum staffing. So for the day, we have to have at least this many officers. That's three for us. Eighty days out of this, of 2025, we had three officers on for the entire day. That covered morning shift, that covered afternoon shift, and grape shift through the night. Because guys were sick or at training or or various things or we were down people on that. So almost a quarter of the year, we were at minimums on that, which makes it really hard when you start to see this trend of our priority calls for service going up where we need an immediate response. It it requires then that we're relying on help from other agencies from USU, from Smithfield. And quite op the opposite right now, we're actually helping some of those other agencies with stuff too. So our guys are are taking a lot of calls. They're doing a lot. But I wanted to just kinda point out that's where we're at. This last week, that number for us was 39% priority and 61 for non priority type calls for the department. Okay. That that's what I have unless you have other questions. I have one question.

So so we just recently had a snowstorm.

Did did we have any accidents associated with that? We did. Actually, we had 15 for this last week that we dealt with on that. Our the accidents, people seem to forget how slick it is, and they're usually going too fast for that first ten, fifteen minutes. That's usually your slickest part of the storm. The oil starts to come up, and and people are going too fast, and that's that's when it happens usually right at the start of it. And so we did we we handled quite a few crashes this last week

on that. So k. Any other questions for the chief? No. Thank you. And I think we're meeting in February. February 5, I believe, is the

thing. So I'll be presenting the annual report that we have for '25 that goes more in detail about that. K.

One one thing that I forgot was that inbox, you'll see a and, word document that I created, and there's a document that Mark has created. I started compiling things that we ought to look at as goals for the city, and they're more higher level at the city council level, you know, some of which, you know, we've, we've appropriated funds for another snowplow. I know where it's at, but I think that that that ought to be documented and Things like that, we have a corrective action with the state on cleaning streets, and that little street sweeper that we have is like with two guys with a broom. And so, we've allocated funds to appropriate a street sweeper. There there's things that I think that the council needs to be kept informed on. And, if you think of anything, please add it to the list of things at that at the council level. I didn't wanna dig into the weeds. I know the planning commission does so much on the the procedures, all of the codes, and things like that. But I think we need to be able to figure out those higher level things in the direction of the city. So please review that.

Hey. Can I ask just one question on the general plan goals? On page five, you have the under long term opportunities, it says that continue to maintain maintain close relationships and cooperation with organizations that have transportation, implementation, and planning responsibilities such as you dot QDOT, and it says that more elected official involvement would lead to more influence. Is that are you talking us?

Yeah. In the transportation for CVTD or whatever they're called now, we have a representative that represents Hyde Park and North Logan.

I'm talking more, like, u dot, like, state level Okay. Bigger picture stuff.

So if if you could maybe communicate how we would

We probably should save that one till the end because that's gonna be a little bit of a longer conversation. Yeah. You've got to

sorry. Challenge? There we go. That's that's the right word. Yeah. Challenge sometimes dealing with. And perhaps if we had more glamour from our city council to to get them to do the right things on things.

I think we're willing to clamor.

Well, I I know yeah. There's there's a story about me throwing that 50 or a 100 down down on the table and betting them, wanting to bet them. But they wouldn't take the bet.

But we should save that for the end of the meeting. Yeah. So

okay. Let's move on to item eight a, consider resolution twenty twenty six dash o two, resolution amending utility bill practices and water shutoff policies. Colette and Melissa did a lot of work on this a lot, and I've sat through the meetings with them as they presented. And Mark Colette serves also in her community where she lives. So Marcus is going to

take this on her. Yeah. In case you didn't know, Colette is actually on her own city council in the place where she lives. So she had her own city council meeting to be at tonight. And so I will be covering this. I hope everyone on the city council had a chance to read this, and I hope everybody saw my comment on the side. It kind of explains why this is a priority for us as city staff and how this is one step in a larger process that Colette is has been working on for a long time with some help from Melissa. The the best way that I can describe Hyde Park City's policies is they're policies that are made for a small town. And what we found is as we've kept growing, our policies have needed to change to look more like what a city's policy should be. And so I challenged Colette and Melissa to go through all of our utility billing processes, procedures, policies, and state code, and find ways that we could be a more efficiently run city with our utility billing, but also perhaps a more fair city with how we operate. And so there's three major changes to our utility billing procedures we're proposing in this resolution. The first one is right now, if somebody rents out their home, they send their renter into the city to get a utility account. Right now, it's not a big deal, but with all of the multifamily housing coming in, that becomes a real challenge. And what they found is as they were looking at the larger cities, not a lot of people have this kind of policy. And so what we're looking to do is change it so that we will just be dealing with property owners or landlords to create utility accounts, and they're responsible for paying the bill. Another thing that happens right now, even right now, is when we only have a few of those, very often, we'll have renters who leave and have an outstanding balance for one reason or another. And when we contact landlords, and this isn't every landlord, but we do have a couple right now, they refuse to pay it. And And they say the account was set up for the renter. It's not my problem. And so this would eliminate that. We would be dealing directly with the property owner to have the utility accounts in their name. They'd be responsible for paying the bill.

I guess, the word the challenge from the city perspective is we don't have a contractual relationship with the tenant.

Like, usually, tenants are responsible for their own utilities. So we have we looked in the state law? Mhmm. And it's Yeah. We enforce a landlord to have be responsible for a tenant's utility?

I don't As far as we know. I

I think we need to check into that further.

Okay. We can check into that. K. Section number two is Hyde Park City has offered an empty home utility rate for a long time. It's when people leave the city for extended periods of time, whether they'd be snowbirds or perhaps they go serve a service mission for the LDS church. That's a very frequent, case that we see. And then there is a reduced rate during that time. The problem that creates is it's all self reporting, and a lot of the times people get home and forget to report they've come home. And so they enjoy nice reduced utilities for quite a while. As the and Colette was doing her research, she found that almost no other city in fact, I think it was no other city in the state offers this that she could find that was comparable to our size and our condition. And so we recommend to just eliminate altogether. It's a headache. It's something that they have to babysit constantly. And so it's something that we would like to get rid of. And then section number three is about winter water shutoffs for nonpayment. Right now, we don't shut people's water off in the wintertime. This is another policy that as we looked around, no other city has this. Everybody who they've talked to said, absolutely, they're willing to shut off water in the wintertime. Now there is an element of safety in there.

Safety

and liability, frozen water lines and Mhmm. But like that. We would like to eliminate the part where we don't do it at all and at least leave it open so that we could because there are cases like this winter where it would have come in very handy for us to have this option and shut off some people's water to force some action on their accounts. And that's those are the big ones. Those three will have a huge effect on the rest of the policies and procedures we're looking to do, and most of those other ones are administrative. We don't anticipate most of the rest of the policies to have to come back to the city council, but we felt like these three were a big enough change that it's something the city council might hear about from the community. And so we wanted to review this with you and have it pass as a resolution and and then include it as part of that

policy manual that we're working on. In section four, we've left open the date of effectiveness. When is the proposal? Is it fiscal year? Is it June 1, May 1?

I mean, we'd like this to take effect as soon as possible, but I believe with any changes to the billing procedures, there's a certain amount of time that we have to wait before actually starting it. Do you know what that is, Tanya?

Scheduled days.

So we we think it's thirty days that we have to that we have before the resolution will actually take effect.

So this is a policy. It's not a we don't have to do the the public hearing because we're just changing the billing process and these things. But if anyone makes a motion, I would say that add in what you believe the effective date should be. And and don't go at least don't go shorter than thirty, but I wouldn't go longer than fiscal year July 1.

Do you have any question? Saying these are nothing we have any say on? Pardon? We have no say on these?

Oh, yeah. All we have say on the You you can say you can vote it down.

We don't need to hold a public hearing is what he's saying to satisfy the state requirements because it's not an ordinance. It's a policy.

To you to amend, approve, disapprove, continue?

I I'm fine with everything except the property owner or landlord shall be built for all utilities associated with the meter because the tenants are using the utilities. The tenant should be responsible for paying those utilities. You could have a tenant abuse utilities and just never pay it, and it would be on the landlord. I don't think that is a fair Well, that's where the landlord as a tenant, as as the owner

says, this is with all utilities.

This is That that's also attributed to gauge, like usage. And I I just I

against that. I don't That's a that's a landlord's challenge, not the city's.

I don't think so. I think you're you're saying we're gonna build, like, Stephanie is gonna rent my house and she is gonna abuse utilities and do whatever she wants and charge as much as she wants to utilities. And then I, as a landlord, if she won't pay it, I'm responsible for that bill.

When the landlord take out,

you know, a down Do they have a deposit? Yeah. That's. Yeah. But that could disappear really fast

in your, in a, in an abused utility situation. I, I just I'm, I'm in favor of all of it, except that I don't, I'm not in favor of that. And I, I'm worried that that's even really a fair I mean, I know the city wants to get their money. I don't know that that's the right way to go about it.

K.

I so I have questions. I have some attorneys I will call and ask about that. I don't think I don't I don't I don't know how fair that really is. I'm just I don't feel comfortable saying that I approve that. That's a dangerous

affair.

Any teeth to collect whereas the landlord They can go shut off utilities at that house.

But if if the tenant

ups and leaves But anybody can up and leave and not pay their utility bill?

Right. Anybody The landlord would have a deposit that he The landlord would just lock the name on.

I I just don't I don't think that I don't think that's fair. That's just my property rights view. I don't they're not using the utility. The tenants are using the utility. They're in the house, but the tenants are using the utility. So that part makes me uncomfortable. I'm in favor of everything else.

Gives a lot of protection to the property owner who

Yeah. Yeah. Has a responsibility. But They don't have a responsibility for the tenants' utilities. They have responsibility for the property. For the property, but not the tenant's utility bill. I

I would tend to agree with Tiffany here. Having lived in military housing where the military paid for utilities, we had friends and neighbors who cranked the AC down to, you know, 65 in in the summer and the heat up to 80 and or, you know, just really really abused it. And, I mean, I've read this, and I thought, great. But

I tried to learn from Tiffany, and she Well, I don't know that I'm worth hearing from, but that's just my personal opinion. No. I I In my profession Yeah. As I do this on a regular basis,

I think a 100% tenant is responsible for their own utilities. That deposit that the landlord's going to get or the owner is also gonna cover to replace the carpet that the dogs were all over and, you know, the broken doors or windows or, you know Yeah. Haven't been the landlord. Any money for utilities by the time Yeah. I like depending on how they

use the property. Is it is it possible for us as a city to collect a deposit on utilities?

I don't think so. We talked through that option. We're doing this research, and the number one reason we didn't even ask the attorney about that. But as staff, we said that's so problematic to have just their money hanging out and waiting for us to pay. That alone violates a couple state laws. Now if we put it on their account, he most likely keep a check hanging around. Yeah. You know?

$4. Yeah. How big a problem is this? How many accounts a year? How much dollars? Like I said, right now, we only have

A couple. A couple scores Yeah. Of rental properties in the city. What Colette's thinking about is the thousand plus that are on the way. Right. And so right now As, like, multifamily where the HOA is responsible to pay the utilities? Because that would be different in my mind. Right now, each of those units has their own meter.

Then I think it should be tenant driven.

I don't think it should be land driven. Let me ask you one question. Let's say that

I don't pay my utility bill for a year. Can you put a lien on my house for that? Like, today? Wait. Under today's rules? Yeah. I mean, what do you what do you do if somebody owns their house and lives in it and they don't pay? Right now, we're just asking people nicely if they would please pay us,

and we turn off their walk. Have access to utilities. Like, that is the punishment. Right?

So it's so you could do that now. I I just wondered if

if you if you have the right to put a lien on the property.

A lien on the property for utilities? I don't know if we could do that. I think our only recourse is to shut them off.

And can we just have a tighter, like, more restrictive, like, you don't pay in sixty days and by ninety days, you're on the shutoff list? Oh, that's part that's gonna be part of So that's what we're doing. The max amount of loss that we could experience, whatever they use in that time period. But I still don't think it's the landlord's responsibility to pay their utility bill. Like, I'm very against that idea.

Do other cities do that?

Yeah. Which city The last one This one is a mix, like, when we looked across the state. Mostly, there were people who were doing the tenants responsible, but there were a handful that just bill it directly to the landlord.

I just I'm opposed to that, and I have some questions some legal questions about it.

So where we stand is you've got a challenge with section one. We can either approve with omitting section one or continue or approve the whole thing. So

how does this affect us down the road, though? I mean, it looks to be like the problem's gonna grow as we get more and more Mhmm. Apartments or whatever that that cause more density. You know, the the the best way probably is to take away the service, but on the other hand, that's pretty cruel sometimes too when you if you've got families and it's wintertime. Or

And then there's usually a turn off and turn on fee too. Yep. We have that.

So Go ahead.

Is the if the owner of the of the property, is that built in where they can take care of that, or is that do we have to do we expect them to pay it right now that somebody who's renting,

do they pay for their water? And they they have to do that too, don't they? Yeah. Right now, that's what we do is we have every renter come in and sign a thing saying that they're gonna be paying the utilities. But what happens, well, relatively frequently again, we only have a couple 20 or 30 rentals in the city right now. I would say at least once a year, we get somebody just takes off and doesn't ever pay their bill. So if we have that happening with 20 or 30, escalate that to '1 thousand and twenty and thirty. And we're just yeah. This is gonna be a huge problem for us.

So this is one potential fix. You see it as a nightmare too to keep track of

people in and out and in and out. That's what I It's already a nightmare with the 20 or 30 that we have. Like, it's how Cola spends a huge chunk of her time is just helping people set up new utility accounts for these rental properties. So if if we have to share

in potential losses because a landlord selects somebody that doesn't pay their bills, we can we make it so that we can share in their profits too then?

That's violation of property. Right? Well, I And we all enjoy our private property rights. It's like I don't I don't think you can make someone else's usage someone responsible for someone else's usage of a a service, a good, a product. Like, I think the right answer is the shutoff. You shut it off. Could could they could a landlord

put something in a rental agreement that says the average cost to utilities over the past year have been x number of dollars, and I will cover that amount. And anything over that amount, I will add to your monthly rent.

Right. But in our opinion, that's a that would be a civil decision between the landlord and their tenant. And that's what I'm saying. Just the the landlord

I think it's our position to force that that contract to happen. I'm gonna ask Anybody has right to utility service within our city. Well, I'd be ready to make a motion that we approve this

minus section one with that we'd approve section two and three, and with four being a date of either it's fifteen February or January, and and then do a little more homework. Because if if section one is not a huge issue, doesn't happen that often, let's let's do a little more homework over the next couple weeks or month and then come back and revisit this.

Got a motion to approve So Yeah. This Okay. Resolution that. 2026 dash o 3 with the omission of section one that we're going to research more. I

just want a voice that I like as it stands.

K. So we have a motion.

Is there a second? I'll second. A second from Kirk. That I think we need to put the stipulation of when.

Yeah. He he said fifth fifteen February, which I wouldn't go mid March mid month, I'd start. That's a January.

January? I said fifteen February. January, we'll go with January if K.

I got a question. Do you as tenant or you as landlords put restrictions on requirements on tenants to pay their bills?

Well,

I was thinking No. Oh, sorry. No. Not Derek, I'm looking behind. Oh, I'm just encouraging credit checks for you know? This is where I see this coming into play is if we were to assume a a 9% or 4% tax credit, That tells the landlord the max amount of rent. You're trying you're really trying to make a difference in low income housing when we're doing this. K? But that tells you this is the max rent you can charge for this unit with this income level. And once you start adding utilities to it Uh-huh. Get through it. A nightmare. For example Yep. At Gateway, I just negotiated a whole contract with Google Fire. K? But if if, like those parties, if we decided and we're looking at the possibility of going with 4% tax credit, then we can't we can't require that because that's gonna bump that all has to be brought into the rents and reduce the probability, makes or is even that hard that much harder to do. So that is a downside of doing of of putting it on the landlord, especially when you have a situation where someone's trying to accommodate both of them housing.

K. That's fair. I under

Okay.

Okay. So we got a motion and a second. Any more discussion? I I I have something to discuss.

I was just I have some questions about section two. I mean, if we have somebody that's leaving and they're not using any water for a year, I mean, are we charging them for something that we're not providing?

Do they just have the base rate for the utility service? That's what they're getting is that what they would be billed?

Yeah. I mean, the theory with this is they would get the discount because they don't use anything it would reflect in their bill anyway.

But the majors are still getting older?

Yeah. The infrastructure is still aging. It's still sitting there. There's still we still do some accounting for our own water fund based on getting that base rate. That's your, essentially, your hookup fee. So whether they're using it or not, we still do some of our municipal accounting based on getting that revenue.

So if can they turn their garbage cans in for that year and not have that Yes. You can have temporary removal of your garbage cans.

Any more questions? So the motion is to remove section one, do additional research on whether or not it's legal and not only legal, but is it the right thing to do?

Because it applies to all types of properties. That's You're right. That's my thinking. It's not just the multifamily housing. It's any property that would be rented.

Okay. So we have that motion. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Motion carries unanimous. Close that out. The next item is to consider resolution. One second. I've already closed the document. Can you look at the resolution on the one that we just passed? The one we just did? Yes. See, boys.

Yeah. 2026Dash o two.

I think the top said 2023, and in our agenda, it's '20 or it says

Twenty twenty six sixty three is what? Yes.

The monthly is off. K. Twenty twenty six dash o three in our agenda, it's twenty twenty six zero two. Okay. Okay. The next item is to consider resolution twenty twenty six zero one, a resolution accepting a petition for annexation of a parcel, 04 Dash 015 Dash 3 Balls 8. It's Ty Meeceum's property, down in the industrial area. And what it really is doing is it's kinda cleaning up some boundary line changes.

Can you Can't really read that. Let me just pull up the map real quick. Hold on.

Is it a parcel that's partly in the city and that little chunk is in the county. And so we need to property negotiations and squared it up, but it's Okay.

Still in half of it's in county. Right. He wants to bring it in.

Here we go. So the property in question is Parcel 04 Dash 015 Dash 008. As you can see, the county line is in black right here. It's nice and square. The actual property line is very not square. And so what this is is just a petition to adjust that property line to actual or the county line to be matching the property line. And, really, what it results in is in net gain for the city of annexation into the city limits. So Yeah. That's what's being proposed.

Actually, two little sections.

There are side little

west side there. Yep. Yep. Little tiny one there. Lot Big one there. That makes that one. You know? Yeah. And remember, this is just that you're accepting the petition. You're not accepting the annexation. Yeah. Just the And annexation look at this. Go to a petition to the city.

Once the city accepts the petition, then it goes to the county to allow the annexation providing that the city accepted a petition. If you're going to annex it, you accept the petition. If you're not going to, don't accept the petition. And Kind of. And then

then it comes back to the city for actual annexation after the county. Right. And the next time it comes to us, we'll have a public hearing, and then the city council decides, do we actually want to annex this or not? So the the petition it's like you remember when the inland port came and we had to sign something saying we're interested before we could actually start? That's kinda how an annexation works is we have to present this to the council. And when you vote, you're saying, yeah. We'll think about this. But you don't actually make the decision until it's time. I mean, if there was absolutely no way that the city would ever want this to annex in, you would vote no right now. Yeah. But if we're like, yeah, it's doable. We could think about that. Let's work it out. You vote yes now, and in ninety days, you have the public hearing, and then you can do it the final vote.

We'll make a motion that we accept the petition for annexation of Parcel 04 Dash 015 Dash 0008.

Got a motion from Stephanie to accept the annexation petition. Is there a second? I'll second that. Or Kurt Kurt Kirk Scott, the second. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Motion carries unanimous. Next item is to consider gateway phase two final plat.

There's

no real changes. Go ahead, Marcus. We went through this. Yeah. So, really, this is

the same as it's been for a long time. This is part of the Gateway project as was mentioned earlier. This is the development agreement the city entered into with, Capital Group. That is the wrong site plan. Here we go. And so, really, this is a procedural step more than anything else. The city staff finds nothing wrong with this. It's just in the code. It says the city council's the approving body. So

here you go. What? Looks good. So there's there's no changes. It's more that we're the approving body. The recommendation from staff is that everything's good to go. Mhmm. K. Any questions on this council? Nope. Not to look for a motion concerning gateway phase two final plat.

I'll move that we

approve and accept gateway phase two final plat. Got a motion from Dave to accept gateway phase two final plat. Is there a second? I'll second it. Second from Tiffany. Any discussion? All those in favor, say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed with nay. Motion carries, unanimous. Next item is consider policy for adding items to the city council agenda. This is actually one of the goals out of our general plan that we should be doing that when we have a process set up. So

So council, this was presented at a meeting in December, and overall, the city council thought it looked good. Just wanted to run it by the city attorney to make sure we weren't violating any laws before we officially adopt this. The only change that the city attorney recommended is because in our policy, it says all the agenda items need to be approved by the mayor. We talked about having the applicant go out and get signatures, but, really, what should happen instead is the applicant will fill out page one, and then the mayor and one other council member, when they sign this, it will be to accept it onto an agenda. And so we'll have a record of when that was accepted and put onto a city council agenda. The attorney did not have any other comments on the form.

So we do need to do we need to get a standard template from you already filled out?

Well well and and that was gonna be my question. So would this apply to

developments that are currently in process and it was coming back? I mean, this is No. This would apply for stuff like the gentleman who visited us last year and is concerned with his bus. It's not really some like, the things that have to come to the city council, the developments, the policies, the ordinances, those are all gonna come through the same. They have it there already in the code. There's already a process in coming in here to that. This is when somebody says, I really hate my neighbor, and I want the city to do something about it. And we say, is that really for the city council to address? And they say, I want the city council to address it. And we say, k. Fill out this form. And then it will be reviewed by the mayor and one other council member, and they will decide if this is something the city council should be addressing. And it it's more of a,

you know, at League of Cities, one city mentioned that they had a problem. They had a resident had a problem with bleeding goats. They would just bleed. So this guy took three minutes on it got on the agenda. Took three minutes, and got up there and bleated like a goat for three minutes.

So And at the end, he said, that's what I have to listen to all day long. I want y'all to do something about it. But as as a council member

if if someone can find an empathetic council member and wanna put that on there, then it goes on. But if you say, gosh. You know what? That's a code enforcement. That's an animal control issue. That's something like that. That is not the city council that goes out and enforces codes. We have people that do that. So

So I do have a typo in this draft I just noticed. It's this first bullet point that says one city the mayor and one city council member or two city council members. That piece right there needs to be removed. Because in our policy, it does say the mayor needs to approve every agenda item. So we're to well, the attorney advised us to remove that option of having two council members signed. So that would be the only edit to this is to remove that little line of text. Yeah.

Okay.

Does that change someone coming here and bringing something up under

citizen input? No. Yeah. That's still open Still open. To anybody who wants to come in the fixed three minute. Great place for Now the for things to come to us. Right. The difference is the citizen input is great for somebody to come and say something like a a little complaint or I need a pothole fix. We say, great. We add a toy list of things to fix. We take care of it. What we wanna avoid is somebody with a pothole complaint coming in and taking fifteen minutes to rant at the city council because it's an agenda item when it could have been resolved with just, you know, a message on the website saying fix my pow hole. And so that's what this does is it's a filter for the city council and mayor to decide if this issue needs full city council public meeting attention or if this is something that they can pass to me or the public works director and say, hey. Please go fix this. We want you to come fix my potholes.

Well, you don't do that. They should be talking to public works. Right. Yeah. I agree.

Does the seven days prior to the requested meeting date does it have to be publicly posted if we accept it onto our agenda? Does that give us enough time to do that? That's why we built that in because Dania tries to get the agendas done really early, at least a week in advance. I know there's always little things that kinda come up, and maybe we have to change it. But because we try to get our agendas published seven days in advance, we want people, if they're serious about getting on an agenda, to turn these in well in advance so there's enough time for them to be reviewed. Would there be noticing requirements on that as well? Yeah. Typically, I don't foresee this being a public hearing item. Okay. If anything, this would be something that becomes

a public hearing item. That's what I'm wondering. If someone's wants to show up because my neighbor's making this complaint or my neighbor has this issue and I see it differently. Like Yeah. I think there's Does it need to be posted? You know what I'm saying? Do we have enough time to tell everybody this is what we're talking about at our meeting? Well, I mean only environment

is to talk. So we are fine. We're yeah. Okay. Right. The seven days is more that's our policy because we want an agenda done a week before the meeting. And so that's why this is on here is to just reiterate. If you don't have it in on time,

we're not guaranteeing that it ends up on the agenda. It doesn't mean they can't come use the open mic.

So I just wanted to be sure that was we weren't, like, hindering ourselves. Yeah. So, again, this is not to try to silence the public. This is try to to filter and make sure that the city council's time is spent on the items that you can actually address and take care of. And if somebody has a complaint that can be addressed by city staff, we'll read this application and say, oh, we can fix that, and we don't have to spend the council's and the public's time here addressing something that can be done outside of the meeting.

I think it's a great idea. So I would make a motion that we approve it. Got a motion for Tiffany to approve

With Seconded?

With the change? With the change of yep. Yeah. Removing that section of the two city council members.

Removing that section? Can you can you close that? Yep. So we got a motion from Tiffany and the second from Stephanie to approve policy at to add items to the city council agenda. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay. The next item is to consider public entity resolution to authorize well, we'd move that one up there. Well, no. We still have to do this one, don't we, Dona? Yep. Public entity resolution to authorize Melissa Jacobson and Dona Wright access to the PTIF accounts. This is a yearly thing, I believe. No. It's

Susan and I are currently on that. And in order to take Susan off and put Melissa on, they need a new resolution. Do they do they automatically It'll stay Susan? It'll yes. Once they get this, they'll just replace it. And then this will stay until either Melissa and I or I leave and somebody else takes place. So Yeah. Or until you guys

remove us. Yeah. So it's just needed for replacements?

Yes. Yes. For Melissa to fulfill the capacity in the job. And this also is a policy or a resolution that doesn't require a public hearing.

Oh, you just like some thumbs up? Like some I mean, a motion to approve the resolution

to authorize Melissa. I'll move that we approve this resolution.

I'll second. We got a motion from Kurt and a second from Gerald. Any more discussion? All those all those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay. The next one is to consider ordinance twenty twenty six dash o one r z, an ordinance approving a zoning map amendment for property located at approximately 700 South Wolfpack Way. It's it's the city parcel along the stream behind the the senior PUD. And we I think we're Yes. Wanting to rezone that to come from residential transition to agriculture to commercial zone.

So, council, there was a bit of homework that got put out there by the planning commission. They requested I hope everybody got this. I think Donya sent it out in an email. The planning commission requested that the whole city council take the time to listen to their deliberations on the recording to hear their thoughts and comments about this because they spent about an hour really picking this apart and going through the the pros and the cons of this rezone. Most of the conversation, as you probably know, revolved around, if this property was owned by somebody besides the city, would we allow this to happen? In the end, the vote was in favor. It was a positive recommendation. Mikkel, our city planner, summarized it pretty well. There's lots of commercial in the area. This mixed use also includes commercial, so there's already large commercial presence kind of being put into this area. One thing that we can bring up is this is something that was initiated by the city staff. City council put out a couple of RFPs over the past two years looking for somebody to come in and bring a commercial business and partner with the city to co develop a public recreation space on this property. And so as city staff, we thought it would be beneficial to some parties looking for this opportunity if we would rezone the property to commercial, that would be an attractor then for potential businesses or, financing institutions to see that the zoning is already in place. So are there any questions?

So what what was it zoned before or on the map? So right now, it's,

the agricultural zone, which would allow one acre or larger single family homes. And then there's that little piece that zoned residential transition, which is your you know, the smaller lot single family, and you could

put townhomes. Although, I don't think you could fit either one of those. And if you look at the size of that part of it, I don't even know why it was that to begin with, but that's a whole another Yeah.

I'm I'm in favor of, rezoning it too. But I also noted that the planning commission's concern was to give up that piece of property, and and I really appreciated their thoughtful consideration in their questions. The questions they were asking are were the same ones that started developing in my mind. And I really think that the city ought to at least co partner or if we could lease the land.

Mhmm. So when we went out for RFPs, it was more in line with what would somebody want to come in and do there? Would they want to lease, build a suit? Would they want to buy? But our stipulation was that we wanted a linear trail along the water feature to be able to have that linear

park ish Trail. Trail area. And take advantage of the gentle water feature as well. Yeah. So

that was the city stipulation, and I I I appreciate the planning commission's thought into this. And, you know, it as things progress and if we have offers or anything like that, I would think that this, I remember when the parcel was acquired. I I I would if it were sold, I would like to see the money's dedicated towards parks. But

So one thing that we did bring up with the planning commission is the city council has had ample opportunity to make a quick dollar here for several years. Mostly mostly as a as an accident. The city listed the property several years ago when we were trying to do negotiations for Wolfpackway right of way. We quickly realized that was a mistake as we got a flood of offers in for people wanting to buy it, looking for a place to build a home or a fourplex or something. And so if the city needed some cash, we could turn around and sell this immediately, and somebody could build a nice home on that agricultural zoning, and we'd make a pretty penny. I don't think that's ever been the city council's intention with this property as we can see with the RFPs put out and the desire to have sales tax revenue to be generated from this property. So that was one point brought up to the planning commission is, ultimately, it's the decision of the city council if you're going to retain ownership of the property or not. Right? That's one of the city council's express powers, I guess, we could call it, is the negotiation buying and selling of city property. And so, really, all the power falls back to this group if we're gonna retain ownership of the property or not. And I hope you don't make a liar out of me. I did tell the city can the planning commission that, as far as I know, the city council wants to keep this property for a long time and make sure that whatever's developed here is something that's a benefit to the community for

tax generation, but also for public recreation. And putting in 20 townhomes there. We we we got plenty of townhomes coming in. Yeah. To be So it's like, what what can they bring to the community? So that's

So why are we doing this now when we didn't do it a year ago or two years ago or when we just cleaning?

I would say the biggest reason is now we have a city planner who understands these things and made a great recommendation, and we are following through with it. And I'd say that's the biggest change that happened.

And if if it's commercial that we want, then we have commercial property that comes at a different advantage to potential person that may want to lease or purchase or anything like that where it's already zoned for something.

Mhmm.

Versus what we have it zoned for now. They have to come to this.

Yeah.

Just for the record, I'd like the city to maintain or retain

the the spring that is there, the water. Yeah. That's a huge goal, I think, of this. Like, we've talked about that for so long. I think that's

And and and in in if this were rezoned, I I just don't wanna get too anxious or or have accept the first offer that comes in that says, yeah. We'll put a trail along there. I think maybe the city could do better if we are more deliberate and patient as we get the units built and people moving in on the north side of the street. A year from now, we get middle school kids and moms and dads driving through there that may wanna stop to whatever commercial business would be in there that you know, I just don't wanna get ahead of ourselves. It's kinda like I feel like we did with Bringhurst. You know, when we approve something, there's no infrastructure, there's no roads, and, you know, out in kind of this desert. And I would not wanna have the first thing come along just because we've been wanting something, and we finally got something. So, yeah, go in there. I I think if we were patient I I I just don't think we need to be in a hurry

to take the first thing that comes along. So two years ago, we had offers to for business to come in there, and we did exactly what you're saying. Okay. Maybe that's it's it's a good business, but is that what what was right for there? So

And I remember sitting out here a number of years ago at a open house where we all got to choose what we liked and what it looked like and pavilions and city gathering places. And now we've kinda gone from that to whatever's gonna go in there in a walking path. You know, I would hope that it's more than a walking path that it you know, whatever we end up with down the road that is Keep in mind when you were out there, we didn't have the end of

of Heritage Homes Park there by the new middle schools. That park wasn't listed on there. Neither what is visionary, what they're proposing, couple acres worth of park. So No. When I see it, I'll maybe I agree with you there, but I I understand and appreciate what you're saying, but

maybe sure we have something there. Yeah. And I and that's a good point, mayor, that that with those other things in the works that we didn't know about years ago, that would help

ease maybe the pressure there for a park or something. And this is the great the greatest part about all this is the city owns the property. Typically, when development comes in, we're negotiating with them, trying to figure out how we can conform with code, number one, but also maybe work with the developer to get something that we would like that doesn't necessarily conform you know, they don't have to do according to code, but, you know, can we offer a carrot to get them to do that? In this case, the city owns the property. I mean, the decision to have ginormous park space with pavilion is yours. And, you know, if you wanna dedicate it all to a business and have a three foot walking game trail, sure. If you wanna have something really grandiose and leave a tiny space for a business that you own the property. That's the council's decision and negotiations with whoever comes along and just,

you know, I think what you're saying is doable. It's just Melinda, were you at the planning commission? I can't remember. I I don't think you were back yet. She said true. I from what I watched on the planning commission and and speaking with Marcus as well, it's it's really capturing the concern, the thought, don't, you know, don't sell the farm to the, you know, first person you date, and let's let's figure out what it is you want and make long term strategic decisions so that it benefits the community.

And to their credit, I mean, there were lots of good questions, lots of lots of good discussion. There were some concerns, this and that. And And, I mean, this comes back to the staff and and us, I guess, is that they expressed trust in the city council and the staff Yep. To do the right thing.

Okay. So we have this ordinance to rezone the parcel, the Hyde Park City parcel

before you.

Is there a motion approved, disapprove, continue?

I would sit oh, go ahead. I'll make the motion.

To approve. I think we need to do it. We are the owner. We won't let it happen because there's enough of us who've watched this happen, and I think we're in compliance with our city planner. I think we need to pass it, and I make the motion we approve it. Got a motion from

Kurt to approve

the rezone? I'd say I second it, and we can we can date any potential developers and buyers, but we don't have to marry any of them. So we can we can we can be choosy about what we do there, but I'm fine with rezoning it to commercial. Yeah. Got it. Second from Tiffany.

Any other discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Motion carries unanimous. General plan staff report, Marcus Pivot some of that.

Yeah. General plan staff report. Really, this was it's the opportunity for the city council to dig into it. And where do you wanna start? It's 19 pages long according to this. I went through every long term, short term goal plus the appendix d, which was just a list of recommendations. It wasn't necessarily goals, goals, but just things that the consultant who helped us write the plan said would benefit the city.

And so Second. Honestly, chief, if if there's not an energetic issue that's facing the council, after you're done, you can go be with your fam. Yeah. You don't need to sit through all this. So Alright. As compelling as it is

Just tell us you're going deer hunting. That's something. Yeah. At Mark Mark

Ashcroft's yard. Yes.

But but, thank you. You get to stay the whole time. You you Yeah.

This is a lot of stuff. So, yeah, I went through everything. I have my disclaimer at the top if you read this that says maybe something's some progress has been made, but it hasn't been reported to me, so it didn't make it in here. So if I missed anything, great. You can correct me. But I wanted to leave this open for the city council. You know, we can talk about specific pieces of it. We can let this bleed into the next agenda item, talk about workshop, specific sections. I think that's where you go with it. If we can may I have yeah. Where do you wanna start? This is 20 pages of goodness. Maybe we start with Yes. Stephanie. So which page was that on? Remind me. Page five.

Which one? Bottom long term opportunities point to

Oh, yes. So continue to maintain close relationships and cooperations with organizations that are transportation implementation and planning responsibilities, such as UDOT and the county. Now I'm not speaking ill of anybody, any of our neighbors, but I have noticed that in most of our meetings with the county in UDOT, when other larger cities have to be there, they bring a whole entourage. They bring, like, mayor, council members, whole bunch of city staff, and some of those neighbors tend to get what they want. And so that's my comment here is I think if we really wanted to push and to get more leverage with these organizations like you dot I mean, we're out there arguing about lights on the highway. We're trying to get them to give us grant money for different projects. We don't make a ton of headway. I feel like if there was more involvement from the city council, like some of our neighbors, maybe we'd have a better shot. And we all also are kinda one of the smaller cities up here, so would it help directly? I don't know. But I'm just stating what I observe

from our neighbors. So question for you in relation to that. Is this just at specific meetings where we are asking for things, or or do we need to show up at other meetings where there are where you dot attends and get to know them, and

are there opportunities for that? I think there's that. I think there's all the above. Yeah. So tell us where you want us to go. Well and, honestly, it's not just you dot. I mean, I think this can go over into our representatives and the legislators who

are involved and representing us at the capitol. That, and we had to hobnob with all the local republican party. But but what Those places. Chris Wilson shared with you what I've been working with them on. But, I mean and if they know our faces, those conversations are totally different. That's what I'm saying. Could we be show showing up at these places? Because I'm happy to do it. But when when and when and where, how often? Exactly.

What how long are these meetings, so forth?

Yeah. I mean, we can keep you in we can let you know when they're happening, but, also, sometimes it helps just when there's community events, ribbon cuttings, and Yes. That's

there. Just show up and say, I'm city council member from Hyde Park. Get to know people. One of one of the ribbon cuttings that will be forthcoming is a groundbreaking for the medical I never remember their name. Donald Wolfpack. The assisted living facility. The living facility. They're gonna do a big groundbreaking inviting state reps, and I'd encourage you to attend. So and that just gets some FaceTime so they do know you. Now, you know, that last time, Chris, I wasn't gonna offer up. Chris told you something that I hadn't told you, and I'm glad he offered it up, not me. But, yeah, he's working for some state funds. I know as I work with mayor Peterson from North Logan, she's she's attended some UDOT meetings that were open to the public with Logan. And they quickly ended the meeting because Logan wanted some stuff and

They kinda wanted a private meeting. Mhmm. So it's Well You'll notice the way I worded it. It's more elected official involvement would lead to more influence. I'm not saying that we gotta go drop everything and try to schmooze some people. But if the city council would like more influence on these things happening on a regional level, then really the solution is to get more face time with the people making those decisions. I go to the meetings that I can. Usually, they don't give me the the time of day because I'm just a staff person. The mayor goes to all these things, and he makes quite the splash usually. It's great. It's quite the reputation.

That's a good question. It's great. But

not so that's why it's worded that way. If the council's fine with the status quo, great. But, really, I think the way that is the fire line.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's huge. That's huge. Huge for about a third of the residents of Hyde Park, quote, maybe close to a half.

Yeah. That's that's big. So then then where do we show up for that?

We'll get that. Well, and Okay. So yeah. And maybe the Chamber of Commerce meetings that Sean mentioned the other day that are at at Bridgerland at 07:30 in the morning on Tuesdays Yeah. Starting the twentieth, like, that would be a good place to be showing up. And I plan on going to that. To save time with people that have influence. You should leave that. Been up. Right? All of us could make an effort to maybe pop in on the I think if we all went down and bought a full trailer.

I sold my Ford.

Well and and I'm always shocked when We don't wanna do this. I I try to accomplish something. I email a a representative with a concern. I get nothing back. Every time the mayor sends a message to them, they respond. And so it may not seem like it, but being an elected official does have more weight to it than

a city staff person. And even a little bit of FaceTime goes a long ways.

Yeah. It's So that's my it's an invitation more than anything else. If you'd like to be more involved, we'll definitely circulate invites to things. We'll let you know when meet and greets are happening or, you know, public meetings. Yep. And what there's a great resource on the Utah League of Cities and Towns website. It's what what do they call it? The places and faces where they have your the representatives for it's sorted by city. So you click on our city, and it tells you who the people are. It gives you a phone number and email address you can reach them by.

Yeah. If you want email addresses, I've I've been emailing all of the represented, not just mine, all of them in the Valley

down to Casey Snyder Snyder at the South End. Well, if you wanna know who to point the finger at for that file line. He wrote that bill. They said they're rewriting it, that it's in the process. So I'm curious what it's going to look like. We're all holding our breath. This legislative session has started. There's already couple 100 bills. Well, now it's more like four or 500.

But So let's segue this into Port Shell.

Can I just ask real quick? If more than two of us show up

randomly at these kind of events that we're okay. Yep. If it's if it's one of these meet and greets or, you know, ribbon cuttings events. Then and you all happen to show up? Yeah. That's a Like Chamber of Commerce? Now if it's one of these things like Oh, really? The mayor and I attended a series of events with consultants in other cities to look at a Main Street study, yeah, we would have to have only two of you attend those Yeah. Because then it's an invite specific I attended the city. Wasn't running the meeting. So Yeah. But, yeah, both the council shows up for, like, the ribbon like, when North Logan did the ribbon cutting for their city office, if everybody showed up Yeah. We wouldn't need to suddenly send the three of you home because we were making a quorum. Yeah. Yeah.

Just wondering how chance it is when you say, hey, y'all. I'll go to this, you know, gathering.

If if you say y'all, y'all can. We can. If we say, I need two, that's when we're talking Yep. You know, back 40 or something. Yep.

Okay. Any other specific questions about any of these things? Any of these goals or the recommendations?

I I just appreciate it. And, I mean, I just see a lot of, you know, work we still need to do, and we probably haven't done what we could have been doing or we could do. And so I think, Mary, you were about ready to lead into workshops before I asked the question. And Mhmm. You know, rather than spend all night talking about it, I'd I'd love I don't care what the format is, whether it's one afternoon for a couple hours or it's, you know, six to 07:00 or six to 06:45 every night for the next, you know, couple months before with this meeting that we get through is I I don't care, but I think we need to dedicate time to this, especially prior to budget. I'd love to go into the budget with a here's our priorities based on our general plan and and make sure we're meeting our budget.

So I'm open to any of it. So prior to once a month prior to city council meeting and workshop and start trying to eat this elephant to discuss. Doesn't have to go in sequential order. Let's go in order of pressing needs.

So we talked about doing that last year. That's the plan. Yeah. If we start the workshop at six, give us an hour to start, see if that's enough time, and maybe we adjust for next month if it's not or if it's too much time. Works. K. Any preferred section to start with, or should we just start from the top and move down?

Just choose your favorite.

Land use.

Land use is always pressing us. K. So start with section two. Yep. And I may sprinkle in some trainings as well.

Yeah. Because I know that was really what you were hoping to do in these blocks before our meeting. Right. Well, it might be okay to do this at another time for spend an afternoon and not chunk it up, you know, and and save your training save that time for for training rather than getting into the air. Because I I'm afraid that you start by the time we want a little potty break before 07:00, and we're just barely getting into it. And then we're Yeah. Start, start, start, stop. I just think for efficiency and

for council members' time, I would like to see an hour before our meeting. I know that's not big chunks of time, but let's break it into small things and let's have a couple of people at this council that have one of those things. What are they called? Jobs. Jobs. Yeah. Jobs. That's it. That's what they're Yeah. And I get to have them just that. Yeah. Just to be able to give it Yeah. Like, my fair share of attention.

Yeah. I'd rather Well, in some of these sections, the goals are really small. You know? Mhmm. Like, we were just in section six down there, and the goals were, like, half a page. Section two is a fun one to start with because that's, like, three pages of goals. So we can even break it up further.

Yeah. Yep. Okay. Yeah. And I think this is really a great use of our time where we're going to have to be looking at the master plan again here in a couple years. It will help us be are we on track? Is this really a goal that's important to our community?

So You know? The homework is gonna be before every work session. I invite you to go in and actually read the chapter associated with the goals we'll be discussing. Because the other thing we have to start doing is next year, we have to start deciding if we're gonna do another general plan update because it will have been five years, and they only are good for five to seven. How about seven to 10? It's five to seven. I mean, it's as long as the municipality wants, but the recommendation in the land use act is five to seven. The last one last at twenty five years.

The last one was twenty five. I mean, come on. It it the mayor did it in 2012. That was the one before that was, yes, it was twenty five years. And then Well, I think we need to look at the one we have right now before we start talking about doing another one. And and, you know, just throwing that out as as an option. Even though I said land use,

I just thought about economic with a couple of, yeah, big things coming Mhmm. Potentially coming.

Well and I I would say in each of these sections, there's at least one goal that's really important and a lot of goals that are maybe not as pressing. Or maybe support

the overarching

goal. Would you say that this review would give us that update we're looking for?

I think it's Yeah. I mean, if you haven't read this, absolutely read it because, I'll be honest. I'd I already told Dave this because he came and visited with me on Tuesday. But I was very surprised as I was typing this how much we actually have accomplished because we we joke, kind of joke, kind of not, that this plan, we don't look at it a ton, and maybe we're not paying a lot of attention to it. But I was very pleasantly surprised as I was going through this how much we've actually accomplished related to these goals. It's it was nice to see. But, also, there was a lot of this no significant progress. I will admit that I copied that phrase, and I hit a lot of control v's filling this out. So there's a lot of work still left to be done. But the question now for the council as we're approaching this anniversary of the general plan is, is this still accurate? Is this still a good representation of where the community is today, where we are going, or is it time for us to start thinking about changing the plan? Because that's that's really the reason you change a general plan is you look at it and say, does this still represent us? The answer is yes. It's still good. If the answer is no, then we need to change it.

I I would say on on tackling first, planning commission recommended to the city council, and council approved it some changes to some of the land uses. And since that time, it kinda slowed things up a little bit on proposed developments. So I'm gonna change that and say economic because of

some potential employers. And when you look at it, that's probably the one that has more no significant progress than anything else. Yeah. So I we got we got them in front of us. So I I'm

Yeah. Well, I was just gonna point out. I think some of these things, even though they say no significant progress, maybe that the opportunity wasn't available to us yet to make the progress. Right? Yeah. Sure. So now we're crossing some of those bridges where these things are happening. We do need to look at it and make sure we're in sync with our plan so when we make these decisions, we're supporting that master plan or that we know we need to make changes to the master plan. And the no significant progress doesn't mean we haven't done anything. It just means that there was nothing that I could really pinpoint as a specific action step

towards that. A lot of these things we've talked about, we've maybe done some preliminary investigation, but it never went anywhere.

We've been talking with both these companies, but not in a city council meeting. They haven't submitted anything for approval.

But But it's time to look up the date because it's on the table. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So 06:00 in two weeks. That sounds good. So everybody go read chapter five. Second council meeting of the month. Dave, you you gave each of us something. Yeah. Last month, I talked I mentioned that Marcus and I had attended a a grant meeting, reviewed went through all the grants so far and so on. We've talked this week, earlier this week, more about that. Been in contact with a few folks, trying to kinda identify priorities for our grants as much as I'd love to you know, all of them everywhere. Our best bet would be to really kinda narrow the scope and focus in one particular area. And so what I've presented, what you have in in front of you is just copy paste from the survey we did did last year. And on that front page, Legacy Park has the greatest amount of weekly and monthly use. It also when you go to the next pay so, anyway, my my thought is that, yeah, there's things we could do in all the parks, but that maybe Legacy Park ought to be our our first one to focus on. I even started thinking that, you know, and the more buy in we can get, that the whole city council say yes, you know, when we submit a grant. And I'm even thinking, you know, maybe we could get support from North North Logan. I haven't talked to Marcus about that. I just thought about that today thinking, you know, as the mayor refers to, this is, you know, the best park that they have that they don't pay for, however you stated, that, you know, it's pretty close to the boundary and would fulfill some probably some needs for for North Logan, especially if they aren't applying for the same grounds we are. So, anyway, with that in mind, I focus on Legacy Park. And then on page two, kinda that's again an overview, a summary of the various comments. And except for maintenance issues, safety maintenance issues, cleanliness, so forth and so on, the highest percentage comments were need for shade for Legacy Park. So I'm thinking that's that's an easy one to start with for for a grant, whether it's the sun's shade sales over what we already have, more trees, many pavilions where there's covered picnic areas scattered around, so forth and so on, and then just kind of go down the list where they want more amenities and, you know, some playground. I've heard a lot of comments that, oh, lots of families there for soccer games, soccer practices. We got a really nice kinda, I don't know, adolescent playground, but we don't have a toddler playground. And so, anyway, I'm seeking your thumbs up to continue working with the staff and submitting and I don't remember the name of this particular one for playgrounds. But, anyway, for Marcus and I to work on a grant, then come back with you know, then we get that hit together.

Right. So I wanna applaud you, say that's great. How much money

will Citi get? I well, depends on what we ask for. And then also, of course, this is open ended? There no. It's not open ended. I think this one that is 2 up to 200,000, but there's also matching requirements too. Okay. So it's gonna cost the city some money. But, Dania, how much have we spent so far this year on our parks and trails and things? Not much. So and we have how much do we have to spend?

I would like to We have we have some well, the throw out there, though, that we got the last of our bonus density. And if we are looking for land for parks, I think a big chunk of that should be reserved for the purchase plan. Yes. Right. We have Yes. We have We have to. A lot of money Yeah. In our reserve to buy property for a park. Yeah. I will say in our

other parks budget, we don't have nearly as much, but we still have a good chunk of change.

Yeah. Yeah. So so we have the money for, I think, this particular one it is, but you can ask for less. Yeah. Right. And you can have in kind donations and labor and things can add up to a certain amount of that 50% matching. So, you know, we'd just continue to pursue that. As much as possible, and then and part of this grant would be including. Benches and things that we don't need a master plan that we've applied the grant to do the master plan in the coming year. I mean, we don't need that to tell us. We need more benches at Legacy Park.

We do need benches. What's that? Been using that park all winter. They love this concrete slide as a hit. There is nowhere to sit. There is nowhere to sit. Parents are sitting on the sidewalk watching their kids play, like, on around the edge of the playground. There is there are no benches in that park. It's they're needed.

Hopefully, there'll be at least one more as soon as it can go in, and and there'll be more as I encourage people to donate. I don't know if you guys saw that we have a new you know, in the newsletter this last month to allow people just to donate and kinda earmark towards certain amenities in certain parks. So, hopefully, give a little more help there. So, anyway, thank you for I I will take all that as support to move forward and apply for some of these grants. So one other

piece of information related to the grants. We'll get to this one in a sec. The grant we're applying for is specific to, like, playground updates or add ons. There are lots and lots and lots of grants offered by the state for lots of different things, trails, buying new land for parks. But most of them, if you want big money, you have to have a master plan, like Dave said. And so when we visited earlier, we were looking at money to do, like, a big stretch of trail or something. We felt like it was best to wait for the master plan. The reason we're going after the Legacy Park money is or we could potentially go ahead for that is you can submit something, like Dave said, without a master plan, but we still need some kind of plan. The state likes to see details. They like to see shovel ready projects. And so, excuse me, whatever we decide, I would like to make sure the final list of things we're gonna apply for gets the okay from the city council, probably a letter signed by the mayor. I think that's still a requirement to have a letter signed by the mayor saying, yes. We approve this. The city approves this application and some sort of, you know, actual plan. That'll give us the best chance of getting that grant. So it's gonna take a little bit of work still. Luckily, that grant, I think it doesn't close until the end, or it opens in March. Right?

We've still got a a month or two on pretty much all. So I can't remember that one now specifically, but we've got a bit of time, and I'm willing to

to work it. We talked about apps?

No. No. This would be through the state. It's Yeah. We remember the names. No.

It's it's a con it's community park something or rather They call this their CPR grant Yeah. Community park something,

but also they joke it's to, like, breathe new life into your parks. And and it can even include things like some parking lots and stuff, but it's specifically for for parks. Right. And it's specifically for small small scale stuff, like buying a single shade structure and a handful of benches.

That's exactly what it's meant for. So so my thought is, you know, keep keep working it, get estimates, because, I mean, the the more specific we are with it, the more the greater the likelihood, and just keep maxing it out. And, you know, maybe they say, well, you aren't gonna get the whole thing, but because I I'm sure it doesn't take long with couple a little playground and some this and that. You know? I mean, we're at 200 k without even licking your eyes.

This is an image of Lower Lyons the replacement on the metal pavilion that was there.

So People are sad that the old one's gone. It's not gone. They're If they wanna see it, they could go down to the city shop. We've got it covering equipment. City shop. It is being put to great use down there. Don't just you worry. Just get the city shop vicinity

cleaned up before the public goes through there. I don't know, but there could maybe safety hazards walking through there.

Yeah.

Well, they have to stay outside the fence. Oh, okay. The the other part of that, it so this is moving along, and and Tiffany's working on the signage for the naming of the pavilions, and we can do that in the spring. We repurposed that pavilion to the city shop. But when Dave and I were driving on Tuesday, I we drove by the old Farley property, Visionaries. Mhmm. There is a big metal roofed hay storage facility there. It comes up on cement pillars, but I think they're metal Yeah. I think on Farley's property, metal legs that come up. They're looking like that. You ought to talk to them about repurposing that instead of them bulldozing it.

You want it in the park down there? No. No. The the

More covered storage go to the shop. For I don't know,

dozers and A dozer that we don't need. Road graders and those kinds of things. Surf. Mhmm.

And the streets, we that that thing's cost enough. It's going inside. Yeah. Parade floats. But, yeah, we ought to talk to a visionary about if we can go and have that moved, can we take it?

Instead of tear it down, that's good coverage storage down at the shop. I mean, they're gonna have to pay somebody to tear it down. Right? We'll do it for free.

Yeah. But that's a thought. Council, do you have any final parting thoughts? Just copy paste it. I I just have a question on

we approved a four way stop on 700 East Mhmm. 450. And so I went up there the other day to go see the new four way stop and and how it was working and was Not in. They I have an update. Really dig down in the wintertime because of

the Yeah. But that So the the mayor had a suggestion at the meeting to put the signs in and put some black bags over them and then wait and then do a grand reveal. When we consulted the manual for uniform traffic control devices, that's really not the way you should do it. You should have those big orange diamond signs that say new traffic pattern ahead. And so because some of us decided to take some vacations over the winter. It got delayed. But our public works guys who were here did a lot of research, found out where we could get those signs. We decided it was cheaper to just buy some, especially since we're doing another four way stop just down the road. And so all the signs are here. The four way stop is ready to go. Now we're just waiting on getting those signs. As soon as we get them, we're gonna put them up. We're gonna leave them up without the new signs for four to seven days, just depending on when we get them. Then we're gonna install the new four way stop, and then we're gonna keep those signs up for probably another two to three weeks. Then we're gonna pick up all those orange signs and move them down to four hundred east and four fifty north and do it all again. So we have everything ready to go. We've core cut out the sidewalk down at 450 North and 400 East. Everything's ready to install. We're just waiting for those orange signs so we can be compliant with highway regulation. So we can pay the inspection.

Goals that I had on the city goal list was we spent $70,000 on signage. This okay. What's been installed? Where's it been installed? And what is left to be installed? And

if you're changing the traffic pattern, that has to come to the city council. It's actually gotta go through an engineering study. So that's City council shouldn't be changing the traffic pattern without

engineering studies. But but you're referring to, like, replacing signs and some of the stuff. Replacing signs. I mean, I'm just wanting to get some more accountability. Same thing with water meters.

Well, I'll save the list that we got from Dave and the safety committee last year. Everything's done except those four way stops.

That's not quite true. We don't have all way signs up in some areas. We still have a stop sign on a telephone pole. There's

Well And, of course, the city rephrase that. Would pass

last year you know, two years ago, however long to have the new cool black powder coated post. So now every one of those 120 to $5 software yield signs that we replace actually costs 6 or 7 or $800 because we have to put a new poll on it. So just there's repercussions of that decision, and and so now instead of replacing a half a dozen signs, we replace one sign and a poll.

So Yeah. So let me rephrase my statement. Of the list that you gave us, and then we narrowed it down to what we could afford Okay. Of the list of the ones that we could afford, they're all done except the for my That that was last budget year. Right? Yeah. Well We'll we'll yeah. We'll we'll talk more. Yeah. We'll we'll see what We do need to get some always up, though. Yeah. Anyway That that's a minor kind of thing, but there's still a few faded yield signs. But guess what I noticed? Have you ever been to a four way stop in the county? They don't have always or four ways on it. They're just four stop sign. Well, hopefully, they're not the standard.

I don't know. Well,

I certainly I think it's up by the very much, council and mayor and the public.

If not, I'd look for a motion to dismiss us. I so move. Got a motion from Gerald. Second? Second. Second from Kirk. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay. Do you announce?