Hyde Park City Council Meeting 2.11.2026

Lindsay spoke to you?

Yes. Yes. I was. You.

There. Earl will not be joining us tonight inside of town. Oh. I just got the message. I wasn't aware of that. K.

Make sure I got my other file open. Earl's out. Mhmm.

Oh, damn.

David just left his name checked there and then I kept my

You can they could say whatever you want. Yeah.

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You're good?

Because I say no.

Ready. Alright. That time. Like this.

Do We have anybody online as long as No. It's just live stream. Pardon? Just live stream? Okay. Wanna welcome everybody to our February 11 city council meeting. We appreciate you coming and participating in the process, and we'll preemptively also say happy Valentine's coming up. We're going to start this meeting with council member Al Red leading us in our prayer and pledge, or you can do a thought. Might as well.

Our dearest heavenly father, we're so very grateful to be able to be here tonight and and conduct city business. We're so very thankful for our city, for the great people that live here, and for the associations that we have, and the love that is felt throughout this city. We're grateful for the blessings that we have. Oh, father, at this time, we petition thee for water that we might have the rain and the snow that we need for our summer needs and for all the many all the many things that we need, especially to grow crops. We're thankful, father, for the many blessings that we have and pray now that we can have thy spirit to be with us to guide us in our thoughts. Help us to think wisely and that we can think about the consequences of our decisions down the road that we can be thoughtful and and have thy guidance. We love thee and pray for these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Please join me in the pledge of allegiance. I beg your pardon,

The United States Of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Council, you have before you two meeting minutes, one from our city council meeting on January 28. We'll we'll address that one first. Dave, do you have any comments? For the workshop? No. For the city council. Only

don't only comment was that I'm referred to as council member Dave, and we have council member Tiffany in there. And and that a couple times, I think. And I don't know. Maybe that's a new, you know, informal minutes. But

Can we get it put to last last name? Meeting council member Dave. But, you know Anyway, guess you may want. Make those to make. Anywhere in there is just referring to first name. Let's make sure we refer to the council member by the last name.

That that's all. K. Okay. Nothing?

Council member Tiffany? No. I'm not making any turn.

Kurt, do you got anything? I'm good. Okay. With the amendments as described, Look for a motion to approve the agenda the meeting minutes from January 28 as amended. I'll make that motion. Got a motion from council member Albright. And I'll second it. And councilman Tiffany. Do we have any discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Motion Meeting's approved four zero, and let's excuse Gerald as he's out. The next one is for the workshop that was held on the same date prior to the meeting. We'll start listen. Council member Brower, have you got anything?

Council member Atkinson? Oh, Atkinson. Yeah. Not me.

I I already sent mine to Donya. Okay. And it's probably been incorporated then.

And was was that about Melinda Lee's comment twice? Yep. Okay. Okay. I I did not send that in, but it was a great comment. All good. So it's worth it. To get it on this. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So with the suggestion that was put in of a duplicate statement, Look for a motion to approve the workshop. If it's not in our box, then we would say as amended.

As amended. So moved.

Got a motion from Dave. Was we got a second second from Kurt. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay. Motion carries four zero. We have before us an agenda. The only thing that I would going to add in that is at the end, and we can do this without the no. The notification process is an executive session. K. So

We have to state for what the purpose for the executive session?

You have the purpose. There's several purposes that can be, but this is for discussion on employee

Right. Issues.

There's only a few reasons that you can have executive sessions. So One of them is that considered a closed Yes. Session is what we're It's a closed session. Having done my

my training today, I'll open closed meetings. Yes. Fine, buddy.

Other than that, with that slight amendment at the end, look for a motion to approve the agenda as amended.

I move to approve it as amended.

Motion from councilman Bower. I'll second it. Second from council member Atkinson. Any discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed, would aye. At this time, we want to open it up to resident input on any item that is not currently on the agenda. We ask that you limit it to three minutes, and the council, is is welcome to respond, but oftentimes we don't have the information at hand to give a response. And so we'll hear from resident input at this time. And then afterwards, we close to that, we may have council members provide some input. So we'll do it at this time. Having none, we're gonna

Hello. My name my name is Lizette Villegas. I live in Smithfield, but I do have family, and my grandparents live here in Smith And Hyde Park. Just stay from the Smithfield.

How did you get past our security in Smithfield? I don't understand.

Yeah. But Yeah. Why I was actually here as well was to give kudos to the chief for the amazing report that he does for you guys. The county is not that lucky for us to have other police agencies give that of amazing reports, so kudos to you. And what I'm saying is, you know, my grandparents and my family living here is we need to know what's going on in the valley. You know, what's going on, who's getting arrested, what calls are coming in. We don't live with my grandparents, so we don't know what we might need to let them be aware of. So with the my philanthropy hat and my work hat as well, a lot of the community members are grateful to see that that report. With that as well, if you guys could be a voice to the Cache County sheriff of we want to know who's booked in jail, and that is no longer available. So that is my feedback to you guys. If you guys could, that's why I said I don't live in Smithville. I mean, in Hyde Park, if that at all mattered with my my feedback, but with having family and community members reach out to me. And that when I posted your report, that was like, we want that more in the valley. And, unfortunately, we're losing it much more and more with that communication. So those are my 2¢. Do you guys have any questions for me?

Not at this time, but we'll we'll we'll get around to that one. Thank you. Thank you so much. And stick around. I think he's getting a report again. Any other?

15080 Center Street across the street. I imagine you're already aware that the trench

is sinking? It's sinking. Yes.

I have a suggestion. This time when they back top it, make it about four or five inches taller so you don't have to do it again. And I'll put a sign up that says speed bump, Or you can leave it the way it is and let it keep sinking, and I'll still put up a sign that says speed bump.

Here's the suggestion.

Thanks, Stank.

Great.

I bet. Somebody else sent us on. So

Do we have any other comments? No. I'm not not from you, Thane, from the audience in general. Having none will close that. I will tell you, I believe the state changed the code, the state code of putting names out in publication from the jail so that they can't we don't we don't have access to it. The police do, but that's they would be in violation publishing that. Right?

I believe so. I believe that's the change that's come. That that came

as a change. I also would look. But the other thing on the thing brought up, we had a discussion a couple weeks ago when I hit that pit, and I had my coke go all over me. So it's been brought up with the contractor settling. There's actually two or three of them, I think, we that we've noticed, and they have to come back and redo it. And the warranty doesn't start until it's accepted. So those are things that have to be addressed.

The

next item is to report from staff, mayor, and the council, or we can yeah. Let's let's go ahead and go with you, Marcus.

First, I have to apologize to the council. I did not have time this week to finish up my staff report, so I do not have one ready for you in box. But, if you have any questions about goings on in the city, I'm happy to answer them for you.

Okay. I'm gonna defer to the chief right now as I think about all of the stuff that we've had going on that I'll just defer, and then I'll come after the chief. Okay. Fantastic. Well, appreciate being here again. We've talked to

in the January at the last meeting, I guess, about the numbers and and how you wanted to see them. And I felt one of the best things that we could do is to give you the numbers that are happening during one of our city council sessions. And then on the next meeting, give you the monthly recap for the month prior. And so that's what I'm gonna do tonight. I'm gonna give you Hyde Park's January stats and the things that we dealt with that Marcus has up here. It's interesting. Our calls are going up. And if you look at the right hand column on the green side, the priority calls, this is what specifically happened in Hyde Park. As an agency, our Department handled four seventy four calls and 97 of those occurred in Hyde Park. Out of that the priority again ended up being with the top accidents. We had 10 accidents between the property damage and one PI or personal injury. This month we also had an aggravated assault. We're on track to beat last year already in January with the aggravated assaults we've had thus far on that. So that's important. As well as the child abuse investigations, we've had three of those. How many how many calls for the month? We had 97 in Hyde Park, 474 total for the department. And

of those, how many were roundabout assisting other agencies, whether Smithfield County or Logan?

Well, not as many as what you think on we had the one for agencies assess agency assessor that you see on the non priority side, the blue column side there. So not as many as what we've I well, we'd think be hired. Yeah. On that. Some other things that have happened under the priority side, we had four medicals that we dealt with, one suicide, two unattended deaths, and a weapons offense that our guys have also worked through. For a total that ends up about 38%, the calls for Hyde Park this month or this last month, excuse me, were priority type priority one type calls on that. We've also had 70 traffic stops that happened in Hyde Park in January. 11 of those were citations and 59 were warnings, which gives you a 16% site to warning ratio. So that tells me that there's a lot of education that's going on with the community there and the stops that are being made on that. So we're not heavy handed that way on that. The last chart on the left hand side is the increase in our call volume. This isn't specific to Hyde Park, but it's specific to the Department that we're seeing this trend. So in 2024, we had the four twenty six and twenty five. In January, we had four forty eight. And again in '26 here, we ended up with four seventy four. So that is the trend that we're seeing as we're moving from year to year to year. But it also is indicative too of what we're seeing in the population growth and more people on the road and more accidents and more speeders, more calls that that we're having to take with that. Is that a comparison of similar data? Yes. That is the exact data. So it's same time frame in January, but just '24, '25, and '26 on that. So other things of note, the radar trailer after talking with the council and with the mayor and with Marcus on there, we've put it back up on 4th East. And so it's collecting data for us up there right now and hoping hoping that we're slowing down some people on 4th East there with that. And then lastly, I asked Lieutenant David Puckmeier to come. Some of you on the council know Lieutenant Puckmeier, but I wanted to give him an opportunity to kind of tell you his resume. There's times when he'll sit in for me here, and I wanted you to kind of at least be able to be familiar with him and know who he is. So I'll turn it over to him for just a second.

It's great.

Thank

Thank you for allowing me this time just real quick. I promise I'll try to keep it under three minutes. You can throw the clock up there. How about what's that? Let's start that clock on, bud. I've been told I get a little bit long winded. And having been on the high council, I can attest to that. So so most of you know me. Council member David Faust has run along with me. Council member Kurt Brower probably doesn't remember me from 1991 when he was my high high school principal in Star Valley. I graduated with his daughter, Heidi. So my roots go back to Star Valley.

I live here right now. I'm gonna be

But I I live here in Clarkson with my family. We've been in that area for twenty three years. Four children, two are grown, one's married, one's on a mission, and my youngest is my daughter. She's a princess. She goes to Green Canyon High School, and she's 16 years old. And, yes, they off the sidewalk. So but of my career in law enforcement, I've been here in Cache Valley as a police officer since 1999. I retired in 2021 from the Cache County Sheriff's Office. After twenty two years of long service, I took a break and actually worked down in Salt Lake City for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints as an armed security officer for a short time. Recognizing that I still felt like I had a lot more to give to this career and wanted to contribute and give back and try to lead, I came back into law enforcement and eventually progressed to where I am at, and chief Goodrich gave me the opportunity to fulfill that opportunity as a patrol sergeant initially and now as a lieutenant because of the opening that was created last year. In my career, I've worked in every aspect of law enforcement that you can think of. I started in corrections in the jail. Glad that was a very short stint. I spent most of my time in patrol division with the sheriff's office, but I also worked in the narcotics division as well as the investigation division. During that time with the sheriff's office, I was on the SWAT team for twelve years, lead sniper for seven years, worked gang units for eight years, was a school resource officer for seven years, and also worked bike patrol for nine years and was on the honor guard for fourteen. Kind of a jack of all trades. But I think through my experiences, what that has allowed me to do is have the capability to understand, work with various individuals and communities as well as officers to help train, lead, and guide, and understand problems from a lot of different angles. And so for me being at North Park, I've seen that my opportunities have continued to increase every day as a learning opportunity for me. And I absolutely love the job. As long as I feel like I'm still giving back and making our officers better and making the community feel a lot more confident in our capabilities, then I'm gonna stay here. But I'm not so proud to say that when I feel like my abilities or my talents are to an end that I I will bow out and allow somebody else with better skills to step in and take that lead. So but that's just a little bit about me. I'm grateful to stand here before each one of you. And if you have any questions of me, feel free to ask.

So When did your graduate?

1991. Your daughter, Heidi, and I graduated together. And if if you look back in the yearbook, you may wanna have 09/11 on the stand by because if you remember me, I was kind of a turd.

That was his first that's when he was starting out in corrections.

I tell you a secret right now. Uh-huh.

My memory is terrible, so I don't remember that. It it's okay. I was about this tall, and I had hair.

Well, I wouldn't remember anything.

But I I will say, lieutenant Pugmire has made the difference in our city, and and those here may not know how that is, but Lieutenant Pugmire and chief Goodrich were both on scene with, supporting the city as we cleaned, enforced the cleaning of our the property on the South Side, South Of Maverick that was quite a eyesore, and a gentleman was getting energetic, and and they kept me in check. Yeah. So

They put you in the back seat of a petrol car? Is that No. They they they were great and and helped us

do something for the city, and they were the two officers on scene for it. So Yeah. Grateful for that. And helped us helped the city, helped the residents to be well more welcomed into Hyde Park than what they were being welcomed with at the time. Yeah. So thank you. And and we

hope you stick around for a while. I'm planning on it. So thank you.

Thanks. Sounds like we're lucky to have you, Sajid.

You just gave him a Oh. He got promoted.

Started a few months ago.

I I don't want to try and be a little pretentious here, but titles don't matter to me. I I love the opportunity just to lead and serve. So you're okay to call me sergeant. You can call me whatever you wanna do.

Well, I I think our council meetings are quite informal. We Yeah. Say first names, and I'm speaking to chief Goodrich, but as we came in, he's a friend. He's Kent. Yeah. So

unless she's unless she's got lights behind it. Yeah. I have one question on the the priority calls, the intrusion alarm.

Uh-huh. Is that just an alarm, or did we have intrusions here in Hyde Park? Are we having break ins? So anytime somebody hires a a company like Brink or or things like that and something sets the alarm off, we respond to that. So sometimes in the past, it's been little things like the wind is blowing and the leaves are rattling and there's a motion that that is detected. So we just go to make sure that there's nobody that's actually breaking in on that. And this one, it was nobody breaking in. It was just an an alarm that we checked out. Okay. All three of those? Yeah. Okay. On that. So I have been trying to listen as cheap to the concerns of the council. And, again, if there are other things as, you know, as we move through the year that you'd like me to keep you updated on, I'm I'm happy to do that. I know the electric motorcycles were a big part of that and the deer plan that was a big part of that and kind of where we're we were at with staffing and things. And so as as the year progresses, I'm happy to provide updates on those things. Have have you been following has somebody introduced the bill in down in Down in Salt Lake. Yeah. So it's currently going through the committee Okay. Right now on that. So they're discussing it. They haven't changed it yet.

If you could send me that if you know the is it a house bill or senate bill? It's a house bill. House bill? If you could send me the number, I think if it's in our best interest in our community as we we review it, we want to send out messages to our representative and our senator to in support of this this challenge, and and I'll reach out to other mayors in the valley Okay. So that, you know, as this comes out, this is something we really want to have. It's not that we don't I'm not against them. Heck, I'm looking at the ebike, but they're able to evade you very easily. Very easily. And there's e motorcycles. We've discussed all those challenges. So

being, you know, time and place manner. Yeah. So we'll do that first thing tomorrow. I'll get that over to you, and I'll send a copy to Marcus as well. They can drop it in the box for you. So any other questions for me or concerns? Go ahead.

From from my perspective, the we've had a lot of discussions going on. I met today with the CMPO u dot North Logan Smithfield. We're coming up with an agreement. We're gonna go out for an RFP on a North Corridor study. And there's aspects that that I think are important to Hyde Park and important to our commercial development and that that we want to ensure that we address. So Marcus and I will be responding back to that. And and the same things that concern me concern North Logan and Smithfield as well. So I think we're and and, actually, executive Danes was there too. So they they same he has the same feeling on it. So In in reference to traffic on the highways Well, in reference to traffic traffic and accessibility, we don't want to be like Logan have every 60 feet having an access, but we don't want to have only access at the designated life lights that are half mile apart. Yeah. Okay. So we as we grow and develop, we want inter block connectivity, but

we we want So so that's supposed to the study would look at that then?

Access and growth and development lights and traffic flows and mitigations and things like that. Thank you, ma'am. There continues to be discussion, and I'll go to a meeting tomorrow of the county. We'll we'll say county fire district, but I think it's gonna be proposed something different. Yeah. And I think it works to the benefit of of cities like ourselves. We pay Smithfield for fire protection. Smithfield has a fire department. Hiram has a fire department, but we also are paying into the county funds for fire protection of the county. Everybody that we don't get county fire protection. We get Smithfield, and there are in the local agreements that they support each other, but we're basically being billed twice for it. So we want to be able to have some representation in that, and I think it what will be proposed tomorrow, I spoke with executive Danes, but I wanna hear it tomorrow. It I think we're going down the right avenue. The mayors in the Valley have a we're all on the board, but there's an executive board. And, as you know, we work closely with North Logan. She's on the board. Smithfield is on the board from the North End as well, as well as some more rural communities and South representation. So we're going to try and have everybody get a win, but we have some sharing of the love where we shouldn't have to be paying twice. Smithfield pays pays twice. North Logan pays twice. It shouldn't be that way. So let's figure this out and be able to bring this into a better organization. We continue to meet with potential economic growth and development opportunities, and those are all going in the right direction for us with the the various companies that you're aware of. So more to happen on that. Other than that, I don't have anything else other than the things that we have at the bottom. Does council have anything to discuss and bring up?

Quick question on the intersection to the 800 and is it 400? Four stop signs now. Is that may I went up there and it I think it's gonna work. I mean, I know there were a lot of people upset Mhmm. When it's traveling west because, you know, it's but we have to do the same thing at the bottom of the hill. We have to stop again. Yep. And and so I'm glad we've got it in there. But is it have you heard complaints? Or

There's been a few complaints that have happened there, but I think you're I think the streets are doing it the right way on there. They're putting the flashing sign that says there's a changing traffic pattern coming up Yeah. And letting people know. I think that's extremely smart and wise on the city's part to do that on that and help the public understand it's changing.

And and recognize, you know, there may be small immediate areas of concern, but Smithville and Hyde Park received a grant to engineer the rest of that road going north, and it would connect it tenth east in Smithfield. So that the engineering work. So it's you know, we need to think longer term. If people going west or east are upset, but there'll come a time when the more traffic is going north and south.

So So will that happen within the next two years?

The road being built? No. Oh? No. But the engineering is It's in the process. It's in the process. So Okay.

And just as a, like, just as a resident living there, I've noticed considerably slowing down the traffic, having to stop at that four way stop. The traffic going down the second, like, the lower half of the hill is much slower than if they just get a full blown run from the top. So I think it is achieving, like, multiple

That's that's the big thing is trying to slow up traffic, catching air off the canal. Yeah.

So so did we uncover

the signs then? Have they been uncovered? There's they're talking about 7th East. Yep. But the fourth

seventh stop. Right. The four way stop. They were covered a couple days ago, so they they That one should be open now. Yep. I went there and And it's open. Okay. So it It has been a couple days. One of the comments that came up in our safety committee was adding all way It has all way. Signs in. Okay. Yep. Perfect. Thank you, Marcus, and to our public works guys making that happen. That's

yep. So that's all I think that's a good thing. So

And and where will the bats come off of 400 East?

So the new traffic pattern ahead signs aren't just for show. There's actually federal standard of time that they have to be up before we can take the bags off. Minimum is one week, and so we have to take those. And then once they're uncovered, you have to leave those signs up for another minimum amount of time. So we purchased these signs, but we're gonna rent them, but they were pretty expensive to rent. It's cheaper to just buy them. So we're gonna leave those up there at that intersection for the amount of time we're supposed to by federal traffic standards. Once that's done, we'll move those signs down to the intersection at 400 East And 450 and then do the same thing all over again.

That's awesome. From placing the signs on both sides to uncovering.

Right. So we do a week of notice from the the new traffic pattern ahead, and then once they're unveiled, you keep them up for two weeks. And then we can move them and do it all again.

I'm excited to see how that changes the traffic speed on that road. And, yes, people are slowing down. Some some know. Some know. It's it's older cars, smaller compact cars, probably teenage cars. It'd

be a white Toyota.

Mayor, I've got a couple things if I yeah. From safety committee met last week. It just so happens that we missed Holly Baird and Julie Anderson who had to step down a couple months ago. And because they were so busy, yeah, Holly is here tonight. So thank you for the service you provided. And just so happens that Sherry Nate is a new member of the safety committee, and she's partially on the safety committee because I kept seeing her here at these meetings and planning commission meetings. So it was wonderful to have her at our safety committee. I sent out minutes. Hopefully, everybody saw those. So I'm gonna go through them all. The only thing that we'll need, I think, city council decision approval would be changing yield signs on 100 West

to stop signs, and that was in the in the notes there. That one would need to yeah. Like, if we're changing traffic patterns or flows like that, then it would come back here. And we still need to get that agreement of the foundation, the formation of the committee.

It hasn't been Get that officially approved. Right? Yeah. Yes. And so maybe in two weeks at this meeting, we can do that. Were there any questions about so there have been some accidents there. The standards require a certain number of accidents within a certain number of years or a certain level of traffic. And Hyde Park, hopefully, will never have that many accidents to qualify to change traffic patterns or the traffic number of cars going through an intersection. But there have been a couple accidents there. There have been several near misses on 100 we're talking 100 North, 100 East. There's yield signs there. I was one of those that almost got t boned going through there a couple months ago. So I've had residents come to me and say, hey. Can we look at that? One of the standards when you have a minor road, which 102 Hundred North are intersecting with a a major road, That is one of the things that allows you to go from yield to stops. 100 West is also a designated bike route, and I typically see bikes along that. We're likely gonna have more traffic on that this fall when when, Neil Elementary School opens. So, anyway, based on citizen input, talk to talk to chief about those intersections. And so safety committee is recommending that yield signs going East West on 100 North and 200 North. Along 100 West, we'll change the stop. And we already have stop signs on 300 North and 450 North.

So, anyway, the the not asking the course decision now. We'll need to Well if that explains the And and I'm gonna tell you that a change in traffic pattern signs are going to be used already for the fourth East. 4th East. So so let's We'll get it in line. Let's well, let's get the agreement and the council can make the decision that as soon as they come off of Fort East, you know, we can preemptively start going to the next one if that's so what the council wants to do. But it we only have a certain number of those signs, but I I think it's wonderful. I'm glad that's safe. Yeah. We're good. I know the the safety committee. I was out of town last week, but they having been in several of those meetings, we spend a lot of the time discussing. I'm just looking up on GIS what that intersection is.

And and just for the just for the record, chief's been coming to those. Thank you, chief. He's had a great impact on those meetings. And much of the discussion really revolved around our safe routes for the new elementary school for oldie from spent a lot of time. Tiffany and I have been going to the meetings with the school. And so we spent quite a bit of time addressing the safe routes, crosswalks, crossing guards, costs of all that, and we will be discussing that further in our upcoming budget meetings because there's gonna be some additional costs associated with that.

You probably haven't been back to a meeting, but are you inviting them to come to the city council to We did. I don't know that it was well received. I feel like Amy, the principal, was kinda like

because Edmond and Dave was like, well, I can address some of these things, but I I don't know. As far as having a representative from the committee that's not Dave or myself, I don't know if we're we're gonna get that. They were like, well, it'll just be the safe routes plan. Like, it was kind of the what was the When is the when's their next meeting? Our next our last meeting was February 5. And then the next meeting is the It'll be the March. Like, the twenty eighth or Oh, because Okay. Got it. To pick up with.

Thursday, Summit Elementary

Should we say? No. We need Yeah. A representative. Because I tried to explain that. Well, right now, there's nothing in the city's budget to pay for additional crossing guards Exactly. Additional crossing signs, additional crosswalks. So if they expect any of that to happen They need to They need to get get get get someone down here and start asking for that to be put into the budget. And if we need to have somebody, I can do it. Show up at those meetings and tell them that in person. I'm happy to do that. You just tell them when I'm fine. That, but it kind of got, like,

pushed to date. Like, no. You just take care of it. And But we'll we'll just say we need a representative that's from the count from not us, but from the

steering committee to come and present to the council the plan and what we're requesting. And and we've looked at a lot of things in the safety committee, but talking to Marcus yesterday about this, I continue I learn every day that I do something here that that really rather than us going forward and trying to figure that out, the school ought to be coming to us and saying, here's what we need for crosswalks and the signs and so forth and so on rather than us

having to figure that out. So I'll go back through some of our points of contact. I have the right contacts to encourage them more strongly if you would like. Please. I think we'll just say if Dave and I jointly

say we need representation and that and chief cannot Yeah. Presentation from this council that's not

one of us to come and present to the council. Because chief been going he started going to those meetings out at

South of elementary also. Yeah. Finally, they They finally got got him engaged. So Yeah. And I it won't be hard. I mean, the they have the plan. They just need to come say this is what we need, and we can say we can consider it. You I I can certainly if you write something up the reasons, I can certainly

stomp my foot on it as I email it to superintendent

McKee. Yeah. Well, maybe and maybe that's, like, from the school district side, they just need to say yes. Because this is new, right, for everybody. We do need to be working with the city. We do need to go to the council meeting. We do need to ask for these things even though we've been working together to try and figure it out.

Yes. At least if you have public discussion. And and we've yet to hear anything on the middle school. Right. We don't So that's a whole different committee that who knows if they've even met. But as far as I know, no one in the city's been on that board?

Have you been invited to that one, chief? So I started in the January

reaching out to them saying, look. Law enforcement needs to be they need to have a seat at the table on that. And so that's how we started coming to these meetings here. And afterwards, I had the chance to talk to them, and they told me that historically, there hasn't been a lot of engagement with the different law enforcement chiefs or supervisors, I guess, leaders in the area, and that they've just kinda

done their thing. And and so I've told them, I want to be involved, so please involve me in that. And and they are. They're reaching out now. So For both schools? For both schools. It may be too that they're still organizing their school community council. It sounds like they're asking for names just barely for people to form that committee, so maybe it's because they don't have it formed. They're not actively doing that. Right? Yeah. There's it's it's a chicken and the egg thing on the on forming those

school committees, but they they have to understand that the city's fiscal year budget starts in July, whereas counties are calendar year for the fiscal year. Ours is July to June. And we start working on our budget and tentatively approving it here next month or April. So we need to know these things. Otherwise, you know, they're trying to make their problem our problem, and they're not not good with that. So

Is there any balance or check or whatever? Because I know my experience, we build a a high school, and we had to account and and and look in where are the kids can be picked up at. Yes. I mean, I look at this elementary, and and I it looks to be like, Terry, if every parent were to take their kids, you're gonna have some traffic problems there.

Did they do any anticipate anything there? Or or They were required to complete traffic studies, the number of kids, and the number of buses, and and they've proposed a plan now whether or not parents try work to comply with that plan. You know, that's that'll be unfortunately, that gets pushed off on law enforcement if they start Yeah. But they're doing things different. Because they didn't plan. Well, they about things. They plan, but not everybody wants to follow that plan. So and just enforcing things, it only takes probably a couple months to change a behavior. And then we the one up off of Fortis is going to be a challenge. But, well, they have a larger parking lot inside, so we'll try and anticipate everything and then panic when our heads on fire hurts.

So

okay. The next item in you guys Sounds good. We can take off if if that's okay. Yes. Please do. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Appreciate everything you're doing. Appreciate your efforts today. And

Alright. I just before you leave, I'm just gonna tell this lady here that you're not out for hire or to be stolen.

Don't know what happened.

Don't want you know, she's

kinda indicated that she'd like to have you, and I would you Well, I'm like Well, she can she can she can move to Hyde Park. Yeah. You'll have to put in an application, though, to

still.

Thank you. Thank you, guys. Thank you.

The next item of business is to consider resolution twenty twenty six dash o three, resolution accepting a petition for annexation of certain real property and in the section of ten two eight zero three and ten two eight zero four of Utah code. That real property that is being the process is is a resolution accepting a petition. So this is the first step, and that says that, yes, we will entertain annexing this. The next step, if if if you approve this resolution, is it goes to the county, and the county says, yes. We're willing to let Hyde Park annex this real property. And once they vote on that, then it comes back to the city, and that's when you see the actual paperwork to annex the property. This property is I can't tell you how many acres, a 140, a 150.

83.

183.

That up there. Yep. There's so there's a packet in box for the city council to look at. The image is not great, the quality for the screen for displaying up here. So I went on the county parcel view and outlined it in red. It's a large property owned most well Most pretty much owned by this by the same family. Mostly owned. They're looking to annex it into the city and pursue some kind of development opportunity. And so we're working with the family to determine what that's gonna look like. We don't have anything to report on that right now. But, yes, this is just the first step of the process to say if the council approves this petition, it's it's essentially, like, we're agreeing to look at it. This isn't the final step. The final step, as the mayor said, will require a public hearing with the planning commission and a formal vote by the city council to accept the annexation.

Yeah. So this is not a public hearing. The public hearing will be at the next one. And I believe this council is aware of of opportunities

that

we're working with, and this is the first step in that opportunity. Do you have questions on this?

So this is the proceed this is to approve to proceed with

Yes. We and actually Yes. This is the first step out of the three steps. Currently well, we'll we'll know when it comes into the annexation that you'll have to declare it whether it's green tracer industrial right now.

Yeah. When the annexation comes up for final vote, the petitioner can the way that our policy works and our the city's annexation policy is the petitioner can request a zone. And, yeah, they we haven't had them officially declare at this time what that zoning will be. So that will be brought up Yeah. When the time comes.

So does that go through the commission of Explet?

It'll come back to here Just to see. It will go through the planning commission for a public hearing, and then That's where the public hearing And then there will be a final vote by the city council.

Here.

Any more questions, comments? Now I'd look for a motion to approve, disapprove, or continue on the red considering resolution twenty twenty six zero three, accepting a petition for annexation.

Make a motion that we can make a resolution to consider 2026 dash O3.

We've got a motion to approve resolution twenty twenty six dash o three, a resolution to petition. Is that Yes. Okay. Is there a second? I'll second it. Second by council member Fowles. Any more discussion? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay. Motion carries four zero. Next item is discussion on parks and trails and grant opportunities. Dave, you sent out great information. I like that. You you saw what I responded as as as we I like the the the grants of what you're describing. We also saw images of potentially what it would look like, putting in, like, more shade, small pavilions for a picnic bench along in Legacy Park and things like that. I know as to go after the bigger grant money, to try and, you know, build parks or trails or something like that. We have to get our parks and trails We're gonna Right. Need master plan and master process.

Yeah. So this is just improvements to our parks. Right. And that's the way I I see this, mayor, is, you know, it's gonna be another year before we get a, you know, a parks and trails plan going and, you know, to really expand Well for right now. We'll find out. Well, I mean, what but I I mean, to to actually have the plan complete and Yeah. And then be able to use the plan to say, okay. You know, what do we wanna and so my hope is this time next year, we will be able to use the results of this plan being put together to go after more money. But in the meantime, you know, there's just there were a 100 little things that the residents said, this would be good, and this would be good, and this would be good. And so as I just kinda went through it, I thought, well, you know, let's let's do a little bit this year at least and something that wouldn't need this a master, you know, parks and and trails plan. I just happened to be down here this afternoon, some grandkids running around. And, you know, as I'm looking at the train, I just love to, you know, build a walk it with Marcus and Brett and maybe you and whoever would want to. Because I kinda looked around and, you know, I'm putting stuff on the map, and I've been down there a handful of times and thinking, well, maybe, you know, two pavilions north of the bathroom. It's a little tight in there, but, you know so I'm not really hung up on on the number, but I think I think we should pursue that. You know? In fact, my daughter was down there with these grandkids. He's like, I'd really love to have a few more benches so we could sit closer to the play equipment when our kids are playing on because there's only a couple of benches along there. So, anyway, yeah, I guess at this point, we just need to

decide if I I I don't have some restrictor ourselves to just one picnic table because to me, if we can put two, that seems better.

Yeah. My my big enough to

Yeah. In other words, make pavilions big enough for for two picnic tables, and and I'm fine with that too. You can sit around or

almost. Yeah. Oh, you're gonna get six or eight people, you know? It's not very many. It's not many if you're gonna have. Yeah. Even even if it's a family. I mean, I know a lot of families. It's got a lot more Mhmm.

Your age. I think some of the restriction on that would be that we can order kits that would be similar to the motif that we've got going on in our Lions Park. We have the new pavilion up there now that's opening and looking great. We can order some kits if we can get Yeah. Some that are very similar to that and get four or five of those that we can put around and have picnic benches so that you can move, disperse people within the park. The park can hold a lot of people, but if they're all congregated at one pavilion, then we have an issue, and people want to be perhaps a little closer with kids, and they can have different aspects of it and engaging in the park. You know, having when we start getting larger pavilions, you need to get your engineering and all of those things in place because the city set out codes. It says we have to do certain things, so we follow the same thing. So I think the governing thing is what we can order

as a kid like that. And I've looked at some of that with Brett, and we've talked about concrete pads that we'd we'd wanna have underneath that and and probably put them up right next to the sidewalk. So now you aren't worried about trying to mow the couple feet that's between a pavilion and sidewalk, where I proposed kinda on the north, kinda surrounding that north part of the playground area. We planted the trees there last summer. And so as I look at it, you know, summer some of those pavilions might get some summer shade in the evening from those trees. We're not likely to put other structures. Is there just enough room to, you know, put these kinda smaller pavilions in that area where we would never end up putting other playground equipment that's kinda centrally located to maybe some future development. So that's kind of why I looked at at the areas. Just thought, well, just just makes sense. So I so, anyway, I I have Tiffany. You look like you wanna

Well, I've just been thinking about this because I like where you're going. I like that you're listening to the public input. Although I do have some issues with the way we gathered information and some feedback that I got from citizens who took the the Survey. Survey. They felt like it was too leading, like, in its questions. And maybe because it was a little bit designed that way, but maybe too much so. But my concern is I think these are great things to think about. I don't know that Legacy Park needs more pavilions. I'd and I'd rather see the master plan be addressed. So we look at the whole picture and all of the parks and everything happening in our community before we go committing large sums of money to one new park that has a lot of attention already. I think that we have other parks that need also to have attention. I don't know what like, I know you mentioned what did you have a specific grant you're doing going after, or have you looked at other grants that don't require matches?

Mo most of them all are gonna require a match of one sort or another now. And Marcus is much more informed on this than I am. But in some cases, you can use the wraps

Tux.

As a matching Yeah. Contribution for some of these others. And and for me right now, the the window on all these closed in about a month. And so if we don't do it now, we wait another year. We've got funds in our parks fund that I don't you know, like, let's just not waste it. But I'm that's that's why I was looking at this thinking, well, how could we use it this year? This is our newest biggest park. It gets so much traffic, all the soccer spring and fall. And I'm just thinking, you know, you know, for me, this was answering a citizen concern about having you know, we we can't I've talked to Brett and Marcus. You can't put a 100 foot shade sails up with our winter weather. So the only way you're gonna get more shade in parks is more trees and or some of these pavilions. And I don't know if I've been other parks around Utah and other places. In fact, I went went to Brett and Mark was like, you these little, you know, like, three by three metal pole structures, you know, and these little, you know, metal roofs that you know? And they're like, yeah, let's get something that'll last. I just see these little mini pavilions with picnic tables scattered around other parks where families can kinda congregate. And so that kinda

that, well, this might be an answer. I just have a concern because I I drive by that park every day, and I will be the first to admit, like, I wasn't sold on the concrete slide that we put in, but it gets used all the time, the concrete slide. The pavilion, not so much. And I don't know that right now, putting in a bunch of more little pavilions for people to sit down is gonna mean more use for the community. I just committing all of the funds to match a grant so we can build smaller pavilions to me feels like not a wise use of the funds we have right now to address when we have other needs in our parks that could be addressed?

I'm I'm open to what are those other needs. I just I'm just, like, improving playground equipment, improving

other areas that aren't new parks that with some maybe some new shade structures. Maybe that could happen. I just don't I just don't like the idea of tying up every dollar of the $2,000 that we have sitting in the parks fund that's not designated and tying it to a grant that says you can only build pavilions and put benches in because that's what we because once we commit grant money, that's all it can be used for. You know what I mean? I'd like to offer a clarification on the funds. The grants that

council member Fowles is talking about are through the the state. It's a state fund they put out. The acronym is UORG. I don't remember what that stands for. It's something with Utah Outdoor Recreation Grant. Hey. There it is. I got it. And they have a bunch of different opportunities. The specific grant we're looking at for this one, they call the the CPR or the Community Parks and Recreation Grant. It's specifically for this exact thing, trying to take an existing park and just bring it up to date a little bit, adding a little bit of structures, benches, playground equipment. This grant so far comes up every year. Looks like in the governor's budget proposal, it's gonna be available next year. It does require a $50.50 match for our region. It's regionally based, which I don't think is fair, but that's the way it is. Now the thing with the state grants is you can match it with other grant sources. It just can't be other state money. So if we were to go get a federal grant to purchase new park property, we could match that with a state grant, and it wouldn't necessarily cost the city any extra money. If we were to go to the county and get a RAPS grant, like what we did for this park out here, you can match those together because it's county and state. So there's other options out there. We don't have those lined up right now. But if we went and got a grant from the state, we could potentially plan on next year applying for other funding sources to do that match. Is there a sunset time on the state grant? Is there you have to execute the funds within three year period? That I don't know for the CPR grant. I know for the UR grant, they want you to have a spent in a certain amount of time, and usually, it's, you know, less than a year. Oh. We ended up getting a UR grant to build all the Bonneville Shoreline trail that's done right now. And the second one that we got, they wanted to spend less than a year. So they're pretty this money, they want the projects to be ready to go. They call it shovel ready. I don't really like the term, but they want it to be ready to go ASAP and to be installed and the money to get used. So, yeah, a project like this, Brett and I have talked about it. We can put together numbers and work on it. But the bigger concern that I think I expressed in an email to everybody is we do have money in the parks fund, but there's nothing in the budget specific for a large capital project such as this. So it's possible, absolutely, we can amend the budget to include a project like this. Excuse me. But I just wanted to have the whole council in support because then we're looking at doing a budget amendment, which everyone needs to vote on. And so that's why, as Dave and I spoke about this earlier this week, I just mentioned, hey. We probably should talk about this with the whole city council. So the staff, we can make this happen if that's what you want to do, but we just wanted to make sure that the council was on board before we go preparing budget amendments and getting cost estimates put together and doing potential, you know, hiring an engineering firm or something to do an actual layout.

So So the these grants that that David's been talking about are really designed, whether it's a or or wraps, is the enhancement of the park. You can use you can get bigger wraps for

major projects. But And the has funds to do stuff like land acquisition, building big complicated trails. They even have a fund for off highway vehicles if we wanted to build an ATV park or something. They have lots of different funds for lots of different purposes.

But so it's I think what what Dave's been talking about is things that are enhancing our parks. I I know Legacy Park gets a lot of their use to the new facilities down there. I think the spring, we got new place structures out here. We'll get some here. The the wide cement slide down there So popular. It it we Yeah. If what's the what's the park down at Saint George? Fossil Falls.

If I were the new

accomplished. Six foot wide cement slide that goes down, and kids are lining up at it and going down that. And I thought, well, that would work here. And we first thought, well, that's gonna be really expensive. And I was thinking, actually, at Alliance Park, we already have a hill that we could put it on. Well, let's see if it's gonna be as utilized as what we think it would be. So we put a small one there. Holy cow. It's it's, again, the best investment North Logan never had to make because the park's right on their their border.

But to that point, that is the best investment North Logan didn't have to make. And Lake City Park has gotten so much attention. I appreciate your thought, Dave. But maybe could we direct it towards, like, Lee Park that needs to be improved? It gets also a lot of use with soccer fields and that's more dated, but maybe could use some a little face lift and some upgrade. You know what I mean? Yeah. No. I hear you. They're like, look at that and then say, can we get a RAPS tax also to match that? So we're not committing all of just our funds in our bank a huge I mean, I'm fine with committing some of it. I'm not comfortable committing everything, and then you have something come up and we have no dollar. You know what I mean? If there's, like, a I don't know. So Marcus and I or something. Yeah. And I don't think honestly, I don't think this kind of project would be committing all the city's funds. I don't have an exact cost estimate Yeah. But it's not gonna be Yeah. I just would like to get like, let's thousand dollars. Spread some love to the other parks too so they all feel as nice as Legacy Park. Yeah. The the properties

here at this facility and, some down at Lee Park, was done with federal dollars. And Marcus and I was brought into an audit, and it was we pointed out that, like, the baseball fields down there, they need some attention and then the backstops and things like that. And I think Yeah. I think coming up with a decent plan, that's an excellent idea for reps, getting some some good attention there. I will tell you that it's very preliminary, but I've been discussing with a property owner for and they're open to it for

a new park in the north end of That's my other concern is purchasing plan for Injured Park. Yeah. Another park. I think those are different those are different monies. Yeah. Purchase for We do have a restricted fund that we are saving up to purchase property. The So where other fund we do have money available for general park work upgrades. Yeah. But like we talked about, it's not set aside for a specific project. And if we're gonna go after a grant, we want to budget a specific match amount so that we're not going over that. I think enhancing our parks, improving them,

we want to try and what what draws people to Lee Park or Lions Park or Lee Park? We haven't changed place structures. We haven't added things there. The new stuff is at Legacy Park, and that's where everybody goes. Yeah. So if we do some enhancements, different structures that give parents different options instead of the same old Chuck E. Cheese painted play structure.

And given those opportunity, I think that's We could give it I just have a little facelift to some of the other parks might be more bang for our buck than adding more pavilions to Legacy Park. You know what I mean? And that's fair. I'm I'm good with that. Can we come up with something in the next week or two for Lee Park? And, well, what if the council feel comfortable

budgeting? And maybe maybe if we were to do something here, it's a, you know, two small pavilions and a and then a one that's bigger for two tables kind of on that north side or something. And so we we don't spend as much on these pavilions. Let's let's get two or three of

them to one table and and and to see how popular they are and how well they Like, to your point, like, if we put one on the west side of the park, that, like, Northwest Side of Legacy Park that's kinda diagonal, that might be nice to have a small

one there and then the bigger one on the other end. You know what I'm saying? Yep. And then let's throw some love at, like, Lee Park or k. Let's somewhere. Because because my thought with that placement is now now parents could sit under on a pavilion with their lunch and their snacks while the kids are on the playground because the big pavilion just you're you're so far removed

Yeah. From the the play area there. Anyway So let's let's put together something that and then we'll get some numbers because I know that the the baseball, Lee Park needs some attention.

And let's Playground equipment there is Yeah. Like

So enhance things. Dave is right. The closing date for all of the state grants, as far as I know, is March 13. Thirteenth. Yeah. So we really only have about a month Putting numbers together and filling out the application is gonna be pretty easy. Probably take us about a week, maybe two weeks, but only if we have a really solid plan. So So we need to I'm just putting that challenge back to city council for

we're changing the plan here. Just make sure we get a really good one, and then it'll be really easy for us as staff to put everything together and actually apply for the grant. And they tell you that if you can get it into them, like, one March, they'll look at it and go, well, tweak this, tweak this, tweak that, and it'll just help. So that's what all along I've been thinking. Well, if we were to do something, February is kinda what I've just been thinking. We have a good system where,

we we've discovered a good system. So Dave put together the plan, brought it to Brett. Brett looked at it and said, well, this none these things aren't gonna work because when we have to refresh the wood chips, this will get in the way. And when we gotta mow the lawns, this is gonna get in the way. And then he brought it to me, and I told him, yeah. This is all too expensive anyway. So we have a good system that we work through. So Yeah.

Sure. Although I was down there today, and there we can put more benches out there. There's that stinking area there where all the wood chips are. It's huge. He can get dump trucks in there. We can put some extra benches close to that place. Great. Yeah. Agree. That needs to happen. And those are relatively inexpensive. I mean I mean, relatively Happens at Legacy Park, I think that needs to happen. You know, half a dozen benches is Yep. Pocket change almost. So I could maximum

on how much you can ask for? This particular grant, it's 200,000.

And I think if I remember right, they like it focused on a park rather than saying, well, we want a playground at this park and some benches at this park just to kinda focus in. But there's other grants where you can get you can get What percentage do we have to match? That one is is

It's a 100 it's a 100%.

It's a 100% match.

So It's like it's Yeah. You you want you want $10, you have to come up with $10 of your own money too. $50.50.

Yeah. Okay. And and we can handles a lot of times, we handle that in matching kind with labor too.

Yeah. So the matches, we can have some in kind, but the state grants, they do want at least half of it to be actual cash match. Mhmm. So we do have to come up with some sort of funds. Dave, have you priced out the pavilions?

Yeah. Brett and I looked, and and those in fact, I I got online, and it was someplace in Georgia. But I the picture that I included, I think, on the next slide there, you can get a pavilion like that for about 10 to $12.

Because I'm wondering, could we could we pay cash for that and then do a grant match for a different park? And do you know what I mean? To Well, there's two that happen? Three three different grants that I know of. And the 12 And we are to

target each grant Yeah. And for a different location. Grant. There's multiple grants out there. So Yeah. So Yeah.

I you know, I'm not picky about it. I'm just saying there's a lot of improvements we could make. We haven't done we haven't done anything this year for park improvements, and we've got one month that put the slide in this summer. Well, yes. Okay. Well, the slide was was a couple years ago. This year,

we're we're talking fiscal year. Yeah. This fiscal year was This part. Was this part. Right. I mean, we've been trying Yeah. For next, we don't And I don't really have anything. Case ourselves, and I really would like to see

the master park plan done before we commit all of our funds because we might be like, oh, you know what really needs attention now that we've Although we had everything in. I I just see the grants.

We get one shot a year, and now's the time to do it. And if you get some wraps, it can match with some state. And and so there's some smart ways to do it, but we've only got a month to do it or we wait for another year. Yeah.

I'll I'll commit some time and Yeah. I'm happy to connect brainstorm too. Storm too. In the next couple weeks. So let's get this together before

Yeah. And March and Please let me know if we if you wanna have some kinda walk through. We've got our parks staff. We got Brett. We got me. Which one I'll get? Let me know. We can get people out there to walk parks with you, point out pitfalls, things that we are concerned about. Well, they, do facility improvements like the bathrooms at Lee Park are terrible. There's grants that'll do all kinds of things. Oh, they do. There's a grant that we could apply for that we could put a a bathroom up on the BST. Okay. Okay. You know, it's Yeah. There's you can get it for you can get it for easements. That's a whole different

topic. But For a machine that's sealed it yet. Yeah. But, yeah, there's That could be that could be really beneficial, and I think the public would appreciate it. You know what I mean? And there's a grant a $2,000 grant towards healthy foods that I'm gonna go after through the Healthy High Park that to help do our community garden in the summer. It's like a two and we don't have to match anything. So let's It's a small one.

I know Dave's heavily into it. Tiffany, you've been into it. If we can get together Yeah. Let's do it. Since we can only get two council members in the next two weeks, let's take a couple of days. And then I will be outbound for the next week and a half. But We'll do it as soon as you come home. Okay. K. Good. And you can move forward with ideas, and I'll be on my, you know, phone and stuff. We'll move the chains. But anyway, thank you for your time and consideration.

Okay. The next item is, we had a discussion on our last council meeting on the billing. If you recall, we were talking about renters and property owners. You saw what I sent to you that From the attorney? Yeah. That you actually can do it that way. It doesn't mean you should. I have I just have, like,

So for me. So let me let me rewind for the If you want refresh the resolution that we passed. So there was a resolution that was presented with four different or three different things that the city staff recommended to make the utility billing a more smooth process, more streamlined process. The council partially passed that resolution, and we thank you for the partial pass. That was really helpful. The one item that did not get resolved was a request that any utilities for renters or rental properties be put under the responsibility of the landlord and landlord only. We didn't wanna have rental accounts with the city. There was a big concern from council member at consent that that wasn't legal. Didn't seem like that was something the city could force upon a landlord or a renter. In consulting with the city attorney, it did get a response back, which I forwarded to everybody. He said, yes. It is legal. He even provided a piece of case law for us to look at. If you had a chance to read through that, it was pretty boring. But I read through it. It was very helpful to kind of understand the case law behind it. And so I just wanted to have this back because it's something that our utility clerk is still interested in having the city council approve. And so I wanted to have it on the agenda to continue the discussion and decide if this is something we're ready to put back on for a vote or if this is something that needs more discussion. Of course, again, vote tonight. It's not a voting item. But

So do you do you intend so I have I kind of have heartburn over this that we're just doing this as a procedure. It's not part of an ordinance. So people who are renting their properties currently don't know that this is required of them, and and it's just getting flipped in procedure. So that gives me a little bit of heartburn. Like, it's not the public's not aware of it. We're not talking about it. This is gonna affect their property rights and how they use their property. I feel like it warrants that it more of a discussion than just a procedure. So that's part of my heartburn. Then I feel like we're creating Hyde Park to be a a magnet for bad tenants because they could know they could come and abuse utilities here, and it's not on them. It's on the property owner, and it's gonna make housing more expensive for people who have to rent. I just these things are concerning to me. And then you said one utility, so this is gonna apply to single family homes. I kinda I can see how it might be helpful in the multifamily with one meter. I can see that being helpful and letting the HOAs govern that, but I am not okay with us, like, a single family residence having this

replaced upon them. And and after I sent that to you, I've been thinking about it. When when we look at, for example, apartments, apartments are considered commercial. They get they're they adhere to the commercial building code and that ends up being a commercial venture, and it becomes a tracking nightmare Mhmm. For the city. Single family residents and, I guess, I'm trying to think of it as anything that is in apartments. Yeah. Is that a delineation or is it townhomes that, you know, there's one structure in five five buildings, and they have one property owner for all of the town homes, and they have tenants coming and going going. Is that something that city wants to be able to do? I understand when somebody is trying to apply for a moderate income housing house and hit those requirements, when you add that that house not only is $2,000, but we're gonna add on, you know, their water, their sewer, all of those things into that rent Yeah. Then that then that puts it into a higher cost for them to qualify for. They may get kicked out. But if it's, say, the 2,000, they might could pay those individually.

Right. If it's if it's a utility bill coming, not due with the first of the month worth their rent, that looks different, you know, for affordable housing versus like, if you require a landlord to do that, I can just tell you that I'm worried about getting stung. They're going to have a higher deposit, but the tenant's going to have to pay to cover utilities in case they don't pay their utilities. It's refundable to the tenant at the end, but it's money they have to put out upfront to move into a property, which could be, I mean, thousands of of dollars. We're not, like, pushing 4 and $5,000 sometimes if you're

increasing Like, your first month

first month's rent, your last month's rent, your And, like, flush your deposit. So when I rent properties, usually, like, if rent's 1,600, the deposit is 1,600. But if I have to have a deposit out for utilities on top, I'm probably putting another thousand dollars on that because who knows if they're gonna pay their utilities or not. And who know you know what I mean? There's it's just making housing more expensive, which I don't wanna make policy that makes it harder for people to get into a home because a lot of people only have the option to rent. If it's through multifamily housing and they have one because we said one so one utility bill per meter. So if a townhouse of four properties has one meter, then that makes sense maybe for the landlord to build the utilities and to collect all of that because they'll have to figure out how to split that amongst their tenants. But if they're if each place has their own meter, I don't think we should put that on the landlords to collect. Do you know what I'm saying?

I do. But I also look at it that it could be a nightmare for our our city staff to be able to track all these apartments, all these townhouses, and to stop and start and to collect deposits or it it just looks like a nightmare for us. I think it's a And it's a Messy either way. Well, the the landlords are already set up to collect. They know their tenants. They know their, you know, names. They have all the and that would be something that we would have to then get. And we're making housing more expensive for our community by passing something like this. Except for it's going to be the same price for them whether

they pay the landlord or whether they For for maybe for their utility surface, but it's not making it more affordable for them to get into housing. It will make it more expensive because they will increase deposits. Like, even Kelly was here. That's what he was saying. They will increase deposits to cover maybe losses that they will incur. City won't have to deal with it, but it's making housing more expensive for our community with a procedure change. I have a heartburn with How much does it cost?

How much is it costing the city? How therefore, taxpayers' residence for the city to manage landlords'

rental properties. But they're not manage cities aren't managing rental property. Cities are providing utility service to whoever needs utility service. Whoever needs But utility service. They're not doing it for the landlords. They're not doing any service for the landlords. But what happens is

well, the concern that we have

is when the payment's not made. Right. And the renter hits the road. Right. And you can put them to collections just like anybody else because the landlord could get stiff too and not have the money to cover the utility payments. And so you're saying you had a bad tenant. City didn't get paid. Now it's on you. You pay the city for the bad tenant. Except for the It's not their actual landlord has the ability to choose his tenants. We do not. Right. But we don't choose anybody that has utility services. We have our we have to give utilities to people in our community whether they pay their bills or not. Well Well, you can turn it off. But whether you don't know what kind of resident you're gonna have and if they're gonna pay their bills or if they're not gonna pay the bills. We have residents that don't pay their bills that it's rolled over and rolled over and rolled over, and Mhmm. We haven't done anything to collect it.

You're not in that much different a situation, but you're willing to give the liability to someone else who doesn't who's not the bad actor and saying it's your responsibility. You know? But somebody else went into business and thought it would be a good investment for me to be able to make money by doing this. Maybe. And then I'll have well, no. It's not maybe. They didn't say, well, maybe I'll buy Everybody rents 150.

Because they are in it to make money. Some people have to rent the property because they have a job and they move and they can't afford to sell their house and they're barely getting it covered. Like, it's not that's not everybody's situation. Talking about different you're talking about a single family home. I'm thinking about anybody. I'm thinking of somebody down here that that bills Agree with you. Agree with that. I agree with you. You know what you're saying. Okay. I agree with you. I think we're talking different things. You there. Okay. But I'm just saying if this is gonna blanket apply you win. This is gonna blanket apply to everybody with a policy change. Yeah. And it's gonna negatively impact some of our residents who aren't in it to make money, who went on a mission and had somebody move in, who had to move out of state because they lost a job and they couldn't sell their house. Like, it's not all a money making impact. Like, you know what I'm saying? Some people rent their houses for other reasons than making money.

I I think one of the things that we wanted to know out of that last meeting is how prevalent is the problem. Are we Yeah. Are we in are are are we seeking a solution, or we have a solution in search of a problem? Or

So right now, the city has oh, Gil. I don't know the exact number. Maybe a dozen true, like, rental properties that we have these landlord agreements that we deal with. And we already get a fair number of people who cut and run and don't pay. It's not consistent. It comes and goes. We there's good tenants and bad tenants. But you take that and multiply it by 100 because we have a thousand units on the way. So this is a preventative measure where our utility clerk is saying, it's already a problem now that takes a lot of my time. And when we add on a thousand new multifamily units, which are on the way, we're gonna have to hire a lot more people to deal with it. And so this is a way you're right. There's really no winners because option a is the city's on the hook, what we do right now, and we send it to collections or whatever. Sometimes we still never get paid. So then the city's out hundreds or thousands of dollars for water that we have to pay for, we have to treat, we have to deliver to people. Option b is it goes back to the landlord and the private property owner, and then they're out. Yeah. I mean, either way, someone loses. Then my question is too. So the question that we have is, what is the city council's priority? Are we is it more concerning that we are letting the taxpayer subsidize the bad actors, or we wanna protect the property owners and the potential cost of housing?

I think the cost of it's not so concerned about property owners, except for I don't know that that should apply to single family housing. I get what you're saying, like, in the multi the mixed use zone with all of these houses that have one meter, like, yeah, let their HOA build them. But I worry about the implications to, like, our individual citizens that residents that live here that have a home. If you blanket, just policy change this. And then they say they have a tenant that doesn't pay, you're gonna cut off service, and they're not gonna have service until they remedy their bad tenant's behavior? Like, how I I just feel like

So I I I guess they come in and they pay pay the bill. I I don't think we're gonna solve it now, but I think as we continue to have this discussion, I don't think there's a pressing we need to solve world hunger right now, but we need to be considering you know, I I understand what TIFTI's getting at, and now we were talking from different perspectives. And so how do we delineate from somebody that I wanna go south for the summer and for the winter, and I rent my house out for six months and the person doesn't pay it. Different than than a corporation that has

different things that It's running ways to properly keep come up with the delineations on that. Yeah. I agree that, like, for these that are gonna be a rental down by Lee Park, I don't know that it's a problem to do that, you know, and let them figure it out because they they know their thresholds and where their rents are gonna be, and they can collect utilities. I don't I don't really have a problem with that. I have a problem with just the policy change and the impact to the Blanket the blanket coverage. That's my that's my bigger concern is how it affects, like, the residents of the Hyde Park. Do we have to make it a blanket policy? Can it be different for multifamily as to what single family doing some sort of, like, discrimination?

Yeah. I mean, the most by his own. The most equitable way to do it is everyone's treated the same, right, which is why it was presented the way it is. If the council wants to take an alternative approach, I'd definitely invite you to come in and talk to Colette, listen to her and the reasons why she's presenting this, and figure out a better way to do it. That's fine. This is not a nine one one we need to fix right now, but it's something that is already a problem and is gonna be compounded relatively quickly. And so we would like to get something on the books or at least tell us this is never gonna happen so we can start preparing. It sounds like there's talks at the legislature about these types of things too when I was making phone calls trying to get more information

is what I've been told. Like, these things are being kicked around down at the state level.

Couple of clarification questions. If you own your home, whatever it is, that's not a problem. We take care of that. Correct? They have to pay the city. I mean, I own my home. Yeah. I have to pay you. Yeah. The city. Correct? But the problem runs into when people start renting and it isn't theirs.

Correct? Right. Yeah. So the renter then makes an account with the city for the utilities instead of the person who owns the home. Back to what Stephanie said.

It's only gonna get worse, folks. I agree. But, I mean, it's we're we're growing, and that becomes a I wouldn't wanna be in that office trying to keep track of all those people, especially when they're all renting, and you get to go down and see so and so. I mean, I I think we gotta

I agree with mayor. We we've gotta think this through a little more. I I would say that only one development has come in and said that they're going to rent the townhomes. The other ones Will Will be owner occupied. Are owner occupied. Well And that's not a Their verbiage was a for sale price. That's that's Will it be owner occupied? We don't really know. Yeah. But And we'll It is PBD on that. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So so I please think on that. Collect That's that one. Collect as a lot of information on this. And, yeah, it's not nine one one now, but, you know, there's

potentially storm clouds are brewing. And And I think And I don't think it be aware we're doing this. I don't think If you wanna hold a public hearing, we can hold a public hearing. That it's all doable. Yeah. That's what I We just as city staff, we just don't want this to be something that's forgotten. Yeah. So, yeah, if there's ideas to make it better, great. Come in and talk to us. Let's find out a way to make it better. Yep. But I just Yeah. We wanna keep it going.

And have my taxes go to hire two or three people to keep track of all of that because it's gonna explode. And and I don't wanna subsidize it.

I shouldn't have to Well and I I think that's where we need to figure out. You know, we have sixteen, seventeen hundred residential connections right now, and, you know, that's residential. Of those that are renting, do we have a 3% problem, or or how much is it in the single family home? Now there's a greater potential in something else. You know, we could see that there could be a storm. I don't want to we don't want to have knee jerk reaction, but we also want to be able to protect the citizens of a potential risk coming up. So I I think, Marcus, let's put this on the we have let's put this on the agenda for the first meeting in March again. That'll give everybody time to get in with Colette, do a little bit of research, maybe where there is a way to delineate. There's we're always gonna have not only renters, but residents that may not pay the bill. But renters can up and leave and leave the rest of the residences or tax paying holding that bill. So we

What about rentals that aren't rented?

What do we do with those? They just hang out. Yeah. No. They should turn the water off? No. Owners should No. Only if they don't pay. Bill. If they if properties are vacant, usually, the owner of the property pays the utility bills while it's vacant. About the the renters.

So if You see what I'm understanding? Say again. What are you asking? I'm confused. I'm if if the if we don't if they're not renting, the

the the They'll turn the water off and they we don't charge them. We only turn off a connection if the bill's not being paid. If Bills get somebody chooses to not

have shouldn't even if they're vacant, there's a monthly charge. Yeah. So who's There still is.

The homeowner. Property owner.

Yeah. Yeah. I I understand that part. Like, it's I don't think they should not branded in the land on landlord.

Pay suitability. But that's different than paying for usage somebody else's usage of property. Sure.

I don't know if you'll Mayor, do you want us to schedule a public hearing for March, or is that gonna be another discussion meeting before we have a public hearing?

Tentatively, let's schedule that as a public hearing. I'm Yeah. Expecting that the council would do some research into this. I think that's the next step forward, Mary. Yeah. And let's get some information out there, and we could do it like like they do on countywide resolutions. And, Tiffany, you take the against. Dave, you take the forward. And we'll put it in our city newsletter. Oh, yeah. Send out information. Yeah. I'm sure people are reading. We ought to send out some general information in the city newsletter. It goes out March 1. And and then the March, we have our public hearing. But I I know. I I say we send out general information. I don't R r d is homeowners and people Buddy that owns presence of Hyde Park. It goes out on social media as well. So I'm sure some of these developers will also come to these things if they're concerned and see that and they find out the information. You know, we don't send out personal invites, but it's I think I think we should move forward and just give general information, impacts, the pros and cons to everything

and how we do it. So I appreciate the public hearing because I feel like it's it's knowledge that the general public needs to be aware of and and not just making it a policy change. So I appreciate that. Glad that we figured out that we were looking at different things. Yeah. So we were looking at it from different ages. So we're good.

I'm not getting it from the chart key. I didn't check

your chart.

First meeting in March.

Do I have to be here? Second

week. The March,

you won't be here? You can send it to me in an email. What? What?

You can come in and a letter. Windows. It can be registered.

Okay. Thanks. Just because you I just wanna let you know while I was here I left for six months. I did not rent my house out. I shut my own water off. This was back in 2015. I still got charged for it, but they only charged me $20 a month even though I had my water shut off. I paid the rest of my utilities while I was gone. I'm the homeowner. I'm the one that has the ability to say, I'm gonna rent it or I'm not gonna rent it. And if I'm gonna rent it and the renter's gonna take off and not pay, that's still my property, my house, my utilities. I'm on the hook for it, not the renter. Or not Hyde Park City. You need to pick close who you're renting to. That's the property owner's decision, and he should be liable for it. That's my opinion. I won't be here for your open house, but that's that's my public opinion. Thanks, Zane. Even though you get one. Oh,

you you you you are a season ticket holder, you get to say. You're a holy shit. That's good. The last item is what we added for a an executive session. And to do that, it would take a motion. And when we go into executive session, I would just invite the public that this would be for council members only. We go into it. We have a discussion. As we said, it's about an employee discipline. And then then we take a motion to come back out. We go out, and then I have a motion to close the meeting. So

there won't be any other votes on any other topic on here. And for the purpose of the livestream, we will be turning off the livestream for the closed session. We will not be turning it back on. But since there are no other agenda items, we'll just do the Yeah. The reconvening the meeting to adjourn. So

So I need a motion to I move that we go ahead and go into executive session. Got a motion from councilman Faust.

Seconded. And a second from council member. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed with nay? Four o. Five minute break. We