04 21 2025 RAPZ COMMITTEE

Now you're ready. Okay. I'm going to call to order this meeting of the Cash County Wraps and Restaurant Tax Board. And I'd like to welcome everybody here this morning. Thank you to our board members for being here. And uh let let's just do quick introductions. David, will you start down at that end? Yeah. Dave Ericson, Cash County Council. Kathy Robinson. What was I still here? Representing Logan District. Yeah. Katherine Bu Cash County Council. Joe Ne also representing Logan District. Damon Ken representing the Northeast District. Okay. David Z, Cash County Executive, and I'm the chair of this board. Bruce Cook, I'm the Logan East District. Reed Baldwin. I'm the uh south end of the valley representative. Okay. Thank you all for being here. I'd just like to run through our agenda really quickly and then we'll jump into it. So, uh we're going to start off with the presentation uh staff report and Elma's going to get give us an overview of the wraps and restaurant tax program process and then after that we will jump into the discussions and just start going through them. We have a a record number of applications, a lot to get through, and we will go through uh as many of those as we can. Uh by the time uh lunch gets here, we'll take a a lunch break for uh as long as we need, but also as short as we can um so we can jump back in. So if we haven't gotten to your application, by the time we get to our lunch break, we'll take a quick break and then come back. Um if If we get through your item and you'd like to leave, feel free to step out whenever you need to. And uh we'll then uh after lunch come back and continue uh our uh review and rankings to determine our allocation recommendations. And then uh at at the end once we finish that we'll do one final review and we will then propose our recommendation to the county council for their final decision. Um with with that said are there any questions board members as far as the agenda process? Okay. Um that's the case then I will turn the time over for another two on our agenda to Alma to do our staff report. Okay, just a a couple of uh announcements. We do have a signup sheet. If you haven't signed that, please do so. Um there's also an agenda. We will pretty much go in order of the um applications in alphabetical order and there's also a list over there. Uh but please sign up if you haven't already. Um and I'll talk about a few things that the that the board members have. I do want to thank each and every one of them. Um, we did have 21 more applications this year than last year. So, there was a lot of material to to cover. Um, I I do want to mention that if the board asks a question of somebody that's in attendance, if you could come to the podium, uh, the speaker is just for the or the microphone is for the recording. And if you come to the podium we can hear better. Um I apologize there isn't like speakers. So um but yes if you are asked a question please come up here so that we can hear it on the recording. So I want to give just a really brief overview of what this program is. In November of 20 2002 the voters approved a onetenth of 1% sales uh known as the wraps. and wraps stands for recreation, arts, parks, and zoo. And then in 1992, uh, the Cash County Council approved a 1% sales tax on prepared foods. This is known as the restaurant tax. There's actually two programs that we have here, the wraps program and the restaurant, but we've combined them into one application that is now in its second year of being online that you apply. and some of our board members reviewed them online. Um anyway, the uh the restaurant tax uh or excuse me, the waves tax every 10 years asked to go back to the voters and so it was reauthorized uh in 20 12 2012 and 2022. Um as as the funds come in, some of it is deducted for um for administrative fees and then it's divided up into cultural and botanical which is 40% and then parks and recreation get 50% of that wraps tax. Um then the 15 there's 15% that is allocated to uh each of the cities in the valley um based on their population and then 35% of that ends up in a competitive application which we will be reviewing today and then zoo zutah the zoo for the valley can u receive up to 10%. So, as the applications come in, they are reviewed. Um, it's either a city or municipality that's eligible or a nonprofit. They are evaluated. We make sure that they have their nonprofit status. Um, I make sure uh our staff reviews and make sure that everything is submitted um that was asked for. Then uh the the applications are prepared for the um board members to review and they've been reviewing them over the last few weeks. Um and then they rank them on how likely they will um fund them and they they have all of the materials um everything that was submitted in with the application the um the board has access to that and reviews it. So basically the the application opens in January. Um the deadline by code is the first Friday in March which this year was March 7th. Um and then the the um after that they are prepared given to the board and they start reviewing them. will meet in this meeting and this is just a recommendation that will go to the county council in their first meeting in May and they have to approve the awards by the second meeting in May. Then after it's approved, the awards are approved then it needs to be put in the budget and once that is approved then I'll send out uh letters to each of the entities that applied and they will know whether they were funded or not. Um, I just kind of want to review uh a few things and I the board members have access to these. Uh, they have some files that I put there. You have the rankings of each of the the applications. There's an alphabetical ranking and then total ranking highest to lowest which is another printout. Um, and then I also included it looks a little bit like this is the funding from last year if you want to kind of see what the funding was. And you also have the the previous five years of funding for each of the entities. Um I do want to mention that as finance has been reviewing this um we discovered um and it was pointed out to us that one of the awards from last year which w they were awarded 50,000 they canceled it and that that project would not or is not going to take place and so that money was moved back and so I I gave you a new printout of of the new funding and the the file that I have up on the screen does reflect the 50,000 extra that is the total amount uh that's available for funding. So any questions from the board? Yeah. Um what is the 10% that is uh eligible for Zuta? Does that is that obvious someplace and I've skipped over it? Um, let me let me see what that amount is. They ask what up to Yes. What is the that amount? Yeah, I know amount. Yes, thank you. So, the 10% and it's up to that amount is $274,024. Any other questions? Bruce, just as a general observation, um the restaurant tax went down $368,000 this year from last year and the general wraps tax went up $30,000. So we're down $330,000. I I I don't think we I think we had more restaurants. Does anybody have a feeling for why the restaurant tax is down $360,000? I mean I'd like to see restaurant sales to see if that's if that's a trend that we could do with the state as well. I mean to see if that's trending across the state or just here. Yeah. I I don't know more detail than introduce yourself. Uh yeah, West Bingham finance director. I would assume that it's a decrease in restaurant patronage. Patre. Yeah. That just that doesn't feel logical to me that you have a feeling. I don't know. I I wonder if we should verify that we're looking at the same time with the state. This is calendar year, right? Calendar year. I mean, it seems like we have more restaurants. It seems like it just doesn't feel at 360,000 in sales tax that the percentage would you be able to speak to how that is trending with the rest of our taxes collected for 2024 over the previous year. So, so I think we need to dive into it a little bit maybe Bruce and now that you've pointed out and just take a look um our sales tax is down I think a little bit year-over-year the $30,000, but the restaurant tax was down 360. Yeah, I'll have to take a look. Those numbers are provided by the state um with monthly deposits. Um so I can look at some of the detail behind that if I request the information. If somebody can check into it and report back to us, we'd be happy come up at any point. Sure. Thanks, Wes. Yep. Appreciate that. Good question. never quit my mind. Any other questions from board members before we dive into this? Okay, just one other thing. You done with your presentation? Yes, I am. So, as as the board, if you have questions for anybody who may be present and as you come up, if you are invited by a board member, please uh state your name and and what organization so that we have that on the recording. So, I am done. And just uh for everyone's information, it's it's not uh usual that we have discussions with the applicants. However, sometimes there is a question uh and so I appreciate you all being here. Uh in case there is a question and uh if we do have that, we'll invite you to come up and answer the question. So with that being said, let's dive into this. We've got almost 100 applications here and uh it's going to take us a little bit to get through them. So, let's get started. Uh the way that we normally do this is the order that they are in the binder, which is alphabetical order. And that takes us to number one, which is Amalga Town. They're requesting the 13,000 in the two prior years. Uh they've we've given them $12,000 each year. Yes. 10 12 12 the last four years. What is the preference of the board? I would approve. We give them the 13,000. Second. Okay. So, uh what what I'm going to do is I'm just going to look for headnodons unless it looks like there's something that uh we're split on. Uh we're just going to use general consent to move forward. And um if it looks like there's something that we need to vote on, we'll uh we'll I'll ask for a motion and a vote if it looks like we're close on something. But otherwise, just to to get through this quickly, I'll look for general consent. So if so with that being said, if you have a concern or if you want to talk more about something, speak up. Otherwise, uh if we get a recommendation, I see head nods, we'll just move on. Yeah. Well, maybe a question a question I have maybe on pragmatic here is that so we've got the 5,29 um that is available um but we have requests of over about 8 million total. Yes. So as we approach this, I think you know I if we approve everything obviously um we we we can't we don't have the budget to do that and um and so I don't know I just I'm looking to go so at the same time we're actually looking to see which projects can we fund you know fully which ones have to be cut and which ones can't be done altogether yes um but uh I just I'll I'll mention this probably maybe as we go u a lot of projects as I look at them at least the value of I look at them and go you know particular be with townships. I'm like, you know, how much are they putting into it or they want us to fund the whole thing? You know, I I like to see a balance of both sides. And I know I know we discussed that last time, but I just wanted to bring that up as we review this. But thank you. Yes. Thanks. Sorry, my voice is going to be a little late all day, so I'll only speak up if I have to. Those are excellent points. Sure. Excellent points. Uh we will uh although the recommendation on this one is to give the full amount, we can't do that on everybody. So we're going to have to this one I like that they're funding most of it themselves. They're just really asking for almost half. So that's great. That's what I'd like to see. Catherine, do you have a question? No, this is a question for u Elma. As you're writing in the totals where we see a total allocation as we go, a running balance. Yeah, there is a running balance and I can scroll over to that. Okay, that's that right that yellow right column that is a little Okay. Okay, thank you. That's that'll be helpful as we go to make sure we stay we sat in the wrong place. Okay, any other comments before we go on to the next one? Let's move then to number two. Hey, this is American Festival Chorus and Orchestra. My observation they've been on a surplus the last two years. They're building the cash. We've get them $40,000 the last two years. Few years. That's my recommendation is $40,000. Yes. That's what I Okay. I see a lot of head nods. So, uh let's put 40,000 down for that. Move on to number three. Okay. Number three, American West Heritage Center. Actually number three, four and five are American West Heritage Center. So let's talk about all three of those together. We have representatives here if there are any questions. I was putting that we would match what we put towards last year as 120,000 for their operating budget for their first request, their first priority. I recommended 125 for the first, 515 for the second, and 125 for the third. I called and asked because in their um presentation they said that they had their plan was to raise $750,000 for the building, the new building. And they indicated that they have 600,000 committed already. That's the tractor barn. Yes. And the third priority. Yes. And how much did you say for that? Excuse me, Bruce. I said I was willing to get They wanted 250. I said 125. Yeah. And um I think they're a little optimistic in their estimation of how much they can raise from the opera additional operations, but 600,000 already committed out of 750 that they intended. Doing pretty good already. Yeah, I was along the same lines. observation is that uh as I looked at the 250,000 didn't know what you talked about Bruce but looked at the uh income tax 4990 it shows that the they have a million 1.6 million in cash. So my question was if they got 1.6 6 million in cash that could fund all 250,000 if you didn't if you they didn't have the private donations but if you have them then they only would have to take 200 thou or 150,000 or something like that. So I actually didn't give them anything and maybe that they can just take it from on the barn. That's a big number to have any cash on anything or just for their building request? Just for the building request. Just on their third request. Yeah, just number five. I also had zero on the barn unless I but based out of respect and things I'm hearing here, I'd suggest maybe we put a star by the barn. Have that be one that we come back to. uh it scored lower than than the other higher priorities for them. Put a star by it and then come back to it at the end if we've still got dollars to give out. Check that one out again. And if we don't then um then maybe I'm I'm very much in favor of actually funding a big chunk of that barn for the mere fact of the volume the volume of visitors is is huge out there. The number of people that they touch, the people they bring in. It's huge. Yeah. It's one of our biggest attractions. Was it weren't they including an education center in that building also from what I read and their museum everything? Yeah, I can but I don't think we walk away from that. I'm I'm I'm actually really I'd be pushing I I think if we leave it at the end there won't be much left. Um so we'll already make that choice. I was along the same lines. I had the same line um amount as as Bruce at the half of the request at 125. I figured if I was hoping to at least get half this year and even half next year that we could be able at least fulfill that 250,000. You've allocated a different me because I have a half a million dollars left when I'm through. Oh, on that one. Okay. Uh I'm hearing a couple saying nothing and a couple saying half on that project. Is everybody on board with fully funding their first two requests? Yes, I am. Okay. So, let's put those down. Alma, so on the capital request for the barn. Okay. So, number three, how much? Number three and number four fully funded. Okay. You tell me. Number five, we're still discussing. So, on number five, we have a I' I've heard a couple recommendations for half and a couple recommendations for zero. Um, who's going to tip the balance here? I'll say half. Okay. All right. Let's put it down as half. We'll move on then. half of it now and then push for the So that's that's 125,000 is what we're referring to as half. Okay. So number five 125,000. Yeah. Number three, what's the amount? 515. And then number four, the amount 515. 515 on that one. Number three was 125. Number four was 515. There you go. Okay. And that brings us then to number six, the Bridger Folk Music Society. 515 and 125. Okay. So, now we're on number six. Bridger Folk Music Society. What's the preference of the board? Since they hadn't asked for any money since 2019, I figured we could probably spare $2400 for them. I don't know. That was just my thought. Proposal to fully fund them. I'd put a thousand. Okay. I'm hearing some fully fund at 2400 and some thousand. Sorry, I didn't appreciate the value of this request. I wasn't here with just the fact that they'd been so long without anything. I thought if they'd been four years without anything, probably the fifth year without anything major impact. How do they rank overall? 26. That's not a high score. Real high score. That's very low. I I have a hard time giving full funding even though it's a small amount given the the lower score, but $1,000 to help them carry on some kind of programming. I just I'll go for a th000 settle,000. Okay, I'm hearing a majority say a,000. So, let's do that $1,000 recommendation on number six. That brings us to number seven, the Cash Children's Any recommendations from the board on the cash? Because I analyzed it looked like they were building their cash and so I said $10,000. I had them at 12. I had 12 as well. So I thought same thing. I thought they were cash seemed fine. In the last four years we've given them 10 eight, 10, and 16. Okay. So, I heard a couple 12 sounds good. I'm comfortable at 12. 12. Okay. Yes, 12. Okay. I hear a majority say 12. So, let's put 12 for that one. That was number seven. That brings us to number eight, the Cash Community Band. I have to recuse myself from this one. I still perform with that group. Good for you. Okay. Number eight, cash community band recommendations from the board. They're requesting 6,000. They scored low as well. Super high. They scored at a 24. Um, that said, I've seen these bands perform. I appreciate what they what they add to the community. It's just hard for me to justify fully funding. I've got them at 4,000 uh instead of the 12,000 they requested. I had a tough time understanding the request. I think they requested six. Budget is 6,600. They're asking for 6,000. About 90% of the budget. Yeah. Well, since everything we do is free, there's no way to get any money. Yeah. So, we do operate. a little shocked that they had to go hire someone to pull or show to be the driver or something. Yeah, we're running out of volunteers for that. I would think that there should be that should be kind of an easy thing, you know, to just volunteer to drive in the like Dave's volunteering to drive for you. Pulling that wagon is tricky. If I had a county truck, got a few out there you could borrow. They usually have trucks that they, you know, that they just have drivers. Is four the prevailing? I think it is four. Let's go four. Four. Let's go with four. Okay. Let's put 4,000 for cash. The one other thing I'd throw out there in the record just I I don't know if any what what feedback we can give. The bulk of the funding that they're asking for is to advertise their concerts on connect buses. I would encourage this group if they apply again in the future to think a little more broadly about the scope and nature and what they can do besides just connect bus advertis advertising is awesome. People should buy it and do it. We love our connect friends. uh uh and I think thinking a little more broadly about the group, its operations, what they can do, how they can connect and interact with different pieces of the community besides just buying bus advertising is something I think would really strengthen this application if they come back for funds next year and get them out of the low 20s and get them up into the the high 20s or low 30s if they just think a little more creatively about what more they could do than just buying the same bus ads year in and year You're talking about cash community connections? Uh, no. No, that this is the cash community band, but their application, if I understood Oh, nope. That is cash community. You're right. I think you're looking at the You're right. You're right. I'll have that discussion when that we're on that item now. Okay. In the future, I would encourage them to consider putting in for things other than just funding. It's scored well. We should provide some funding. They should be more have have a variety a greater variety of ways to advertise and make people aware of what's going on in the community besides just reaching out to those who ride the buses. I think it's very visible still as it's going up and down Main Street and you see the sight of it. It's it's constantly cycling. Yeah, it's constantly cycling through Logan. Yeah, the mobile billboard. Okay, so what uh what is the board's preference on cash community connections? We've got a lot with the name cash. The whole rest of the page starts with the name cash. So it scored fairly high. I had funded it at 4500 scored a 32. I was thinking anyway about five. 455. I funded the whole thing. The whole thing. I did too. The whole thing. The whole thing because we gave them 5850 the last few years. We've given them the same thing for the last five years. 5850. And I think they so they have a good program. They do a good job of what they have. They provide a lot for those summer citizens. Yeah. We want to make sure we keep them coming. Yeah. Every week they have something at the top. Are you saying full funding? Well, well, yes. Okay. All right. Full funding. I see I see four head nods. So, let's go full funding on that one. Cash Community Connections. That brings us then to Cash County Event Center. And we have we actually have number 10 through 16. Number 10 through 16 are fairgrounds and event center. The first one is event center and then the next I have a a question on the sheet. I have a note that I thought the request was for 20,500 rather than Yeah, I saw that same thing and I that was the request of 25 20,500 and then all a sudden they look 34,300 like we're funding the whole thing. Which one is that? The first request that says there are funds requested but requested 20,500. It has to do with the cash valley cheese and berry festival that they've done the last few years. I don't know much about it. 500. Yeah. If you look on the second page or on the application proposal, which is page four, the funds requested is 20,500, but our sheet says 343, which which is in their 2025 budget. That's they have the 34,300 in the budget. That's the budget, the total budget. And this is actually less than it was last year. because they returned some, right, Elma? They did. Yes, they did. So, if we give them the full 20,000, give them their full funds requested. That's less than what they You know, which one do we go by? The one that's out of their budget or the one that's in the application? On the application, it's 20,500. So, it's probably an entry error on my part. The 343. Yeah, it's an entry area. We're on your item right now. So, we'll come back. Correct. All right. Okay. Uh Bart is on his way over here right now. He'll be here in about five minutes. So, um let's skip this one and the fair other fairgrounds ones for a moment. He'll be here in a minute and then we can ask this question and any others we have on Go to 17. Yeah. So, let's just jump to 17 for the moment and then we'll bump back down to 10 when he gets here. Um, so number 17 is Cash County Trails and actually 17, 18, 19, and 20. So, we have four trails proposals. I recommended that on the first one, number 17, that we fund that as requested. The same on 18 and 19, we fund as requested. But number 20, I recommended 151,000. I guess I just have a little heartburn about salaries being under the wraps tax. I know you can do it. I don't know. I just I'd like to see projects, I guess. But yeah, that's that's uh the council's had that discussion over recent years, and that's been their preference is is to use this funding um for that. Um but yeah, I I know what you mean. Um however, I will tell you it's a good investment. Uh this um this program has been very successful. We make an investment in their salaries and uh just in the past year they brought in nearly $5 million in grants um which some of that's counting this wraps money but most of it is not. Uh so they're they're doing a good job and it's a good investment. And speaking to that point, um, a lot of what they we they can get for matching funds has to prove that they're doing these studies first. Yeah. Right. So this is the first step in order to get matching funds elsewhere. Yeah. Which we did last year. We gave them some some money for studies and they went and got millions of dollars. So Okay. So So we had a couple of uh So on the first three, you were recommending full funding. So does anybody have different thoughts on those first? I vote for the full funding on the two studies. Not on the studies. I won't. Me either. I studies on the two studies. I will on number 17, the full funding on on that, but I the other two studies I think that that's something that ought to just I'm sorry. I I have heartburn with just us spending a whole bunch. Let's deal with 17. Does anybody have a concern with full funding on 17? This is just cost of living raises for those salaried positions then. This is funding a program. Okay. So let's fully fund 17. All right. That brings us then to 18 and 19 which are studies. What uh did you give and these these studies uh are are what they use to go after other grant money which they're pretty critical because that that is the tool. The return for those is just we've seen in the when they've come and presented their budget to the council the return on those is way more than is given these and so I think that it's worth 100fold. Yeah. And last year there was a half million for the Bonavville Shoreline Trail Extension Grant that came uh to to us uh to to support that project and the investment was uh $30,000. I don't know where you get that kind of return on investment elsewhere. Uh I I I totally agree. I'd love to see brick and mortar. I'd love to see them actually building trails. In this case, we have a program where there's a strong track record uh of of producing insane returns on investment for um for for the dollars that get put in. Uh and so at least in this context now I I did have uh suggested I think for 18 I suggested funding at 35,000 um and for 19 if if we have the funds to to support it uh provide some if not most of the funding. Um but but I I do think the return on investment just just is really strong for So how many people are saying full funding on those two studies? Okay. So I see a majority on that. So let's put full funding on that one. And that leaves us then with so 18 sorry 18 full funding 19 1800. Oh excuse,000. They're both 40,000. Okay. Yeah. Do you have one? Do you have this sheet that shows? I do, but it's hard to keep track. So, that brings us then to um number 20 uh which is the Bonavville Shoreline Trail uh phase 1B and that the request was 394 and your your recommendation Bruce was what half funding 151 151 tied it to something. Okay. Other thoughts on that one? I'll support that 50. Okay, there. So that was phase 1B. The minimum required match is 151. So that's what I funded was the phase 1B minimum required match of 151. They excluded phase two. That's what I recommended funding. Okay. So, are they uh I'm sorry I don't have it up. My computer is really hard to get through to all those. The building out of phase one and phase two, is that proposed to be simultaneous in that in the application? I'm just looking for the optimizing the phase 1B total cost was 755. Okay. The minimum required match is 151. That's what I proposed. State preferred match is 3775 394. Okay. Um 151 151. We have a couple of representatives from that department. Will you please come forward so we can ask a couple questions. Um I just want to make sure we're we're correct in what what we are looking at here. So, we're assuming that if we gave you 151, you would be able to do this project. Um, correct. Yes. For phase 1B, um, Angie Zetterquist with development services, Emily Fletcher, uh, trails assistant, uh, she probably has more information on the breakdown there. Yeah. So, the 151,000 would go towards the Bonavville Shoreline Trail Appropriation Fund that we've applied for, and that would be the match for it. So the next phase that would be built and so would we expect to get the remainder of the necessary funds from the state as a grant from them? Yes. And so if we if we don't match at a higher amount, do you think does that make us less competitive in our grant or do you think we still have a good chance of getting it for the appropriations fund? I don't think it makes it less competitive, but for the next section, so for phase two, it would be less competitive, but we have a little more time for that one. Okay. All right. Any other questions? Okay. So, it sounds like the recommendation was 151 even. Okay. 151. All right. Thank you. Okay. So, uh Bart is here now. Uh Bart come forward. Uh we're going to jump back down to uh numbers 10 through 16 are event center and grounds. And Bart, we had a question about the cheese and dairy budget. There there are a couple of different numbers in the proposal. one I think was 20,000 one was 34,000. We're just trying to clarify what exactly the request was on number 10 which uh was for 20,500 and not what was listed there at 30 34. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So that answers that question. So based on that, what is the preference of the board on this one? I would fund 100% of the 20,500. We have a recommendation to fully fund that one. That's what I've got. I circle that one. So I see several head nods. So we'll do the full funding the 20,500 on number 10. And then that brings us then to 11. That's a neat strategy in preparing your applications is to the higher number. Oh no, I only need half. I I can continue to do that if that works. So that brings us then uh we have then projects 11 through 16. We don't necessarily have a question for you yet, Bart, but stay there as we go through 11 through 16 uh which are all fairgrounds requests. I do have a question on 11. So Bart, you had a note that you returned 19,200 on this project last year. So what happened? I mean, concert in the park. So we ended we ended up with uh entertainer that didn't cost us as much. Oh, okay. So that money was returned. Okay. And uh now we're reapplying for it. Yes. For the future in your application, could you include an estimate of how many people attend? Yeah. Is that possible? Um, I thought I had that in there. This this past year it was about 2,000 people is what we had attend that. I know in past applications I have included that. I I don't recall seeing it. I made a note of them. So, apologies. I thought I had that on there. It's about 55% of the budget. Looks like it is what we' be funding. Yeah. And that uh Yeah. And the rest of that um event is paid for through donations that we solicit. Yeah. And historically, you've returned a lot because you've been able to get donations and you've had this as kind of a stop gap in case. Correct. Yes. Okay. Uh what's the preference on this one? I've got the full funding on the the 25,000 or the Yeah. Last year they used 20,200 and that was my recommendation that we give 20,000 but I'm willing to 25,000 that's what I that really depends on the entertainer we get. We found that um the bigger names entertainer that we get which obviously costs more money the better attendance that that we've been getting. So last year we went with somebody that was a little lesser known and and our attendance kind of took a hit. Okay. So, I heard a couple over here for 20 and a couple over here for 25. Full funding from my part. Okay, I'm seeing a majority for full funding. So, let's do the 25. That brings us then to number 12, which is the Northwest Corner and Monument Construction. I was uncomfortable with this one. I don't know why, but I was. So Bart, some of this is going to be for handicap sidewalk approaches also. Correct. From what I understood. Yes. So that they can access with wheelchairs. These wheelchairs in those sidewalks you see the little bumpy things out at the end. Yeah. It's those kind of improvements as well as as rebuilding the sign that uh used to be there. What happened to it? It was made out of wood and it fell over. Okay. It had been there for quite some time. Yeah. Okay. Any recommendations from the board? I kind of grouped all the next five together. One, two, three, five of them and they you're requesting 334,000. Uh, and I thought if we worked at doing the whole thing in one package instead of each one of them individually, uh, that way you'd still get the amount that you wanted. I don't know if that would work or not. So, what's your proposal? The proposal would be uh in total there was 334,000 that they requested. Uh they were awarded uh last year 27 280,000. I would go ahead and one that Bruce talked about, you didn't fund that first one for the 55,000 I didn't include that. The other four I did and that totaled up to $280,000. Those remaining four. So you're proposing do not fund the monument but fully fund the rest of them. Yes. Okay. Explain to me. I guess I didn't catch that in going through. I was thinking this was just the monument. Tell me what portion of that is for handicap. Do you think? just guess. Um, the handicap part of it is probably only a small portion of it, 10,000 or or less, 5,000 even. And some of that I believe we're going to be able to get donated by Logan City will help provide some of that stuff, but it's unknown at this point. So my my gut is that we'll be able to give back some of that funding because we will have Logan City donation or or they've offered some inind work but the value of that I don't know yet. Another question then as we talk about all of these combined on project 15 which is the ventilation fan upgrade. Is this an addition to the one we approved in 21? So most of that money was given back from 21. Um there's been some engineering or design work that that we've paid some money to, but um we've been unable to find the right thing to make this work. We think we found that now. So that money has since come back and we're asking for that again. Okay. And then uh the backup generator. Did we approve a generator last year? Yes. And that one was for the event center. This one is for the the rodeo arena and the uh point-to-point data network that supplies internet throughout kind of throughout the county. We're kind of a kingpin for sending sending that signal out. So uh that's what this backup gener generator would be for. So that's a a safety issue. It's a safety issue. Yes. 13. Yeah. allows us to evacuate the rodeo arena in the event of a power outage. Can those two be combined in some way? Two generators. They're Yeah, they're a block or two apart. So, they're they're quite a distance. I'd love to be able to. All right. Okay. So, we have a proposal to not fund the monument number 12, but to fully fund 13 through 16. I'm in favor of 13 through 16 fully fund and then let's if we can put a partial at least to get to the handicap portion of that where that monument is and what's your proposal for that amount? Uh I would say 10,000. Okay. So we have proposal for 10,000 for number 12 and fully fund 13 through 16. Could we come back to it if we happen to have money left over again? Okay. I think we do have we need to have an entrance sign to the fairgrounds of some sort, but Okay. I'm seeing enough head nods to to do that. So, let's do 10,000 then for number 12 construction and then we're going to fully fund 13 14 15 16 and that brings us then down to number 21. So, number 21 is the cash pioneer Louisiana. the full. Me too. Yes, I I agree. Okay, full funding on that one. We'll move on to the next one. What number was that? 21 for 9,000. 9,000. Was that a 1,000 increase? Yes, it was. And I I kept them at the same date. So, but I'll go the nine. Okay. So that brings us to Cash Valley Center for the Arts and they are numbers 22 23 and 24 Rally High 37. They're asking for a lot less than last year. Yeah, I would propose that they're requesting maybe 270,000 and that we go ahead and give them on those three a combined total of 220,000. So 50,000 less than what they're I suggested uh 100,000 on 22, 150,000 on 23 and 15,000 on 24 and I am not independent in that request. I sit on their board, but they they do do a great job. So I guess very important to the community. just full funding all three of them. 20,000 to 15 the rest. I dropped them to 15 on that last one portion. The rest I fulled. So the the scores on the first two reflect I think something that merits full funding on those. Pause for a second. So is everybody okay with full funding on those first two? Okay, I'm seeing majority of them. So on the first two for Cash Valley Center for the Arts, 22 and 23 full funding, 100,000 and 150,000,000. And then let's talk about the 20,000 for the out of area marketing. 20,000 for out of area marketing. I have that at 10. Dave had it 15. I had it at 15. I had it 15. 15. So it's like 15. I'm hearing a majority of 15. Will that work for you? Yes. Okay. So we'll do 15. The first two fully funded. The third one 15,000. Okay. Let's then go to cash chamber of commerce. We have two proposals number numbers 25 and 26. I don't think that we've had this city center business association before. We did not. It's an explanation of this. Jamie, did you come forward and tell us a little bit about what the plan is and proposal? Yes. Uh Jamie Andress, uh Cash Valley Chamber and Janette Esplan also uh with the chamber. Um we are applying for a new organization called the City Center Business Association. Um as you can see by the application, there are at least five huge major events that we've done on our own in the downtown on Center Street. We started it, we called it the center street association, but to be more inclusive, we thought we should change the name to the city center business association. This is primarily to focus on bringing major events in the downtown where the street needs to be closed. And what we agreed to with the businesses in the downtown is it might make sense for the chamber to just be the overarching umbrella and help organize not the actual events because like the pumpkin festival Anderson still want to own the details of that. But what we were asking for this money is for supporting each of these events in road closures, extra trash. It's several thousand 10 about $10,000 every time you want to do an event in the downtown for uh to close the roads and on center street like for the pumpkin festival we had 20,000 people come about. Is that right Julie? Does that seem about right? 20,000 people for two our first year was in wildly successful. The second year was even bigger. Um, and it just means more. Uh, and and so what in order for the chamber to take this on, we thought it would be we would help with our own labor and our own organization and work with the businesses, but that if we had some wraps money to help start with that and we would just help with the closures um on those. We fund that in the past. we the the the individual organizations paid for them and and most through who through who how did how was the money raised and how was it dispersed? So for instance um the pumpkin festival what we they paid for Anderson Seed and Garden. Okay. Is that what they they paid for the funding? The funding came from um advertising sponsorships, um rentals for the vendors, booths, uh exhibit booths, and um there was no admission for that. Um food vendors, those kinds of things. So those fees come together to whom they went into Anderson's. Yeah. And the city the city center organization, Center Street, is was never uh formally organized. So, we're just we're just trying to get a get an organization. Pumpkin walk. Pumpkin. No, pumpkin festival. The giant pumpkin festival. Yeah. Yeah, they did. But all the other businesses help. There's a huge committee. We all worked together. The visitors bureau, the chamber, um the businesses surrounding on Center Street, we all worked together to help with it. and we all gave our manual labor, many hours of our own labor that we went to help uh organize that event. And so what we would like to do is if we could get a little bit of startup funding, we'd like to formalize this organization and the chamber will help manage just getting those organizations and those events started and help them. And we did we did also get um we talked to Logan City and for the Christmas event, the tree lighting, the parade, it's grown quite a bit. We see some bigger opportunities for the Christmas time. Um we did get a a commitment for them. They've got some budgeted money for that. I think 10,000 just for that event that they will they will help with and they will give to us. Thank you for the explanation. Any questions? If I may question, does this So, we have the Logan Downtown Alliance. This is not in conjunction with them. This is a separate organization. That's correct. Okay. Similar mission. Similar similar mission. Um, but in the last three years that we've organized, we've put together events that bring many, many, many, many times more people downtown than anything that the downtown alliances Yeah. I've been to with my tons of people there. Yeah. So, and the Latino festival is one of them. Huge. It's growing. The Christmas celebration, the Halloween, the festivals. We just we see a lot of big potential, but we also want to move also some things over to church federal and that area and use that block as well. And again, there are fees associated with anytime you want to close the street or use the parking lot, there are permits. and we just want to be the uh we're we're we're we'd like to be the organization that helps uh facilitate that. So, is this going to be a department of the chamber? Yes. A committee, if you will. Not really a department. That's Yeah, a committee. Are all of the businesses down there on Center Street, are they open for business? So, they're getting benefit. Absolutely. All of those are especially the restaurants now. We have at least five on that street alone. We're going to have them around the corner. It will come over. We've we we work like the pumpkin festival also was in conjunction with the gardener market. Then the pumpkin festival this year, cheese and dairy, we did it all. And you know, the people just went from one place to the next to the next. It it was fabulous. But we envision we envision the potential for a lot a lot more really great events coming in our downtown not only in the center street the center block the plaza and now over to this part of so the businesses definitely profit by the businesses and you can see by our letters of support that the businesses uh were very supportive of this and I would think if I was a business I'd be very happy about having that being there and so I'm thinking to myself If the businesses are being rewarded by them being there, do we need to fund them anything? Well, this if I'm if I'm a business, I'm think we're not giving the money to the businesses. We're just using any funding that we get from you will be to help facilitate an overarching big event that just pays for road closures. We will not be handing any money to any businesses. Yeah. I I think what he's saying is it's generating money for the businesses by bringing patrons. But that's exactly what the what that's the whole idea. That's what the restaurant dollars are supposed to be for is people. So they spend money in restaurants and and the if the restaurant attendees and the attendance and their restaurant patronage is down. These type of events do nothing but bring up bring up those the numbers in the restaurants and the awareness. And we've got many new places um that you know some people have never been and when they come to a center street event they're like oh we got a pizza place here we got this. We got this. So I think it's beneficial. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Uh preference from the board. I guess one question that came up over here was just that uh um with the cost of closing the street, if Logan City is contributing a bit, wouldn't they just contribute to not have so many fees to close the street is a thought they could do that. Yeah, it looks like some of our cost is just going to pay Logan City for street closures, which doesn't seem like like if Logan City is partnering on this, then then partner, but don't just have it come from this fund to their funds. need to pay Logan saying we want to withhold that from Logan's application. Yes. Come back to this one. I'm not comfortable with it. So, yeah, this this one scored quite low. Um uh and and and the the the discussion helped me to see the connection uh of the mission of raps a lot better than when I originally scored it. Um I I You know, I I do worry a little bit about wait, you know, is is wraps the right funding. Should the city, if I could just stop you there, wraps is not the right funding for this. This and this will not be funded with wraps. This will be funded with restaurant tax. Oh gosh. So, just just to remind everybody, we have two funding sources that we're distributing today. One is wraps, which should be used for recreation, arts, parks, and zoo, and it comes from a general sales tax. And the other is restaurant tax. So um the restaurant tax comes specifically from restaurant food. And the purpose for that is to get people in restaurants to get people to come here to get people to come to events. Um and this the purpose of this event and I know it's new so it's it's and thank you Jamie for the explanation because we we need to wrap our minds around this concept. Um but what they are doing is they're creating events to generate more more restaurant tax which is exactly what the restaurant tax is supposed to be used for. Restaurant tax is supposed to be used as an investment to generate more restaurant tax to get more people here to get more people in hotels to get meet more people here in the valley so they go to the the entertainment uh venues uh that they shop in our stores all of those kinds of things. So, so this is this is different. Uh, and it's important if you look on if you look on this alphabetical list that we all have. Alma has put uh in right right before all of our scores is a column that says eligibility wraps, restaurant, bowl. And she says on there which of these fun sources we should uh be using for it. And if you look at this one, it says restaurant. And that's what it's that's what's this one. Some projects we could use either. Some would only qualify for craft, some would only qualify for restaurant. And in this case, this is a restaurant tax investment. And and that's how we should view these is we're investing this money back into getting people into restaurants. Uh and if we look if we look at their numbers u compared to many of these other things we're doing this is one of our best returns on investment just like we were talking about with trails that that's a wraps one but with the trails that's a really good investment really good return on our investment and I think that's one of the primary factors we should look at when we consider these is is this going to help us generate more wraps tax is this going to help us generate more restaurant tax this one absolutely does this huge event and we we're funding other things that have way less uh participation than these. These are some of the biggest events that we have in the valley and they're brand new. They're they're new events and they're already very popular. So, just just wanted to clarify what we're talking about here. So, with that, I'll I'll turn it back to the board. I'll um wi with that in mind, I think what I I would I that that helps me to see some things. I would suggest then putting $10,000 with a star by it and come back and look to it at the end. I know that's not much, but let's see if there's something I if if every community do do we end up with the Smithfield Commerce Alliance and the the North Commerce Alliance. And so I I'm I'm curious to see what can be done with this because I get the investment logic. Um, I I still have a little hesitation in some ways, but wouldn't be averse to an experiment, especially if we had a chance to look at the amount of the funding at the end. And on the other one, I have near full funding at 60,000 for the summer citizens program. And I would like to see you approach Logan City and see if there's a possibility they can reduce those fees or come in with something to help with these events because it seems unfair that you're burdening you're being burdened with paying for the road closures when charge it anyway. It's not really permitting as much as it is extra police force. You have to pay payroll, garbage pickup. There actual costs associated. I realize that I think the permitting part is But I I I'll be honest. I don't have That's fair. Yeah, the police aren't free. They're having to pay extra time. But it's benefiting Logan City, too. So, it just seems like mostly. This is similar to the fairgrounds with the cruising when eventually the city said, "Hey, we can't just keep doing everything for free." And so, they just put a cost and they really can't benefit one a one group versus another. And so, if they did that there, then other groups can say, "Well, and get do my stuff for free, too. Well, I wasn't saying for free. Even if they would reduce something or they put some money in their budget, they told me or for $10,000 they'll give us for all of those events, not just for the Christmas one. The question I had like so if a food truck comes from out of the valley, do they have to pay the wraps tax to cash? Sorry. registered. But does it track where that food truck is registered or the point of sale of where it actually sold? Cuz it feels like that feels like they'd have to do a little bit they'd have to have some sophistication in their books to be able to know that it comes back to us. I think it's a Kisville world's best corn dog food, you know, food. It is the point of sale. That was a bill that's, you know, passed here just to So they do have to have some type of sophistication in there. Exactly. It's being tracked. I don't know. But it's supposed to be here. Yeah. Okay. So, uh I heard a recommendation from Damon. I'd lean maybe more towards 20 funded. Okay. Half funding. I see a couple nods on half. I'm in favor of 10, but that's not that's all. I've been to each one of the events that they had. It is crawling with people. Huge. Like you can barely walk on the sidewalk. There are so many people there. And so I think as far as exposure, I guess I should disclose I do have a business on this on the street. But um you know, actually I filled out a survey recently. They were asking, "Hey, is this beneficial?" I think it's beneficial for the restaurants um for the tenants I have renting there. I actually I fear for them that the traffic's so heavy that people can't patronize them through the day. So it's actually bad on some of the businesses. So, it's definitely good for restaurants, but but when it comes to police balance, yeah, it's it's definitely not strong for all businesses on that. Okay. So, I heard a recommendation for half funding on this. How many head nods do I see on that? See a couple head nods. Yes. Okay. I see a majority. So, we'll do 20,000 on that one and uh see how it goes. I think it's a good investment. Thank you for doing this. Uh, but then that brings us to the summer citizens, which was a $75,000 request. I'll support the 60 that was presented. Damon said 60. I I go with 60. Didn't you say 6? I did. Yes, I got 62. 62 or 60? 60 also. Well, last year was the first year that the chamber took us over from USU. I mean, they What were they funded last year? A huge What were we funing last year? 60,000. Huge commitment. 60,000 last If they don't come, we have no money. Yeah, we need to have those citizens come back. Only agree to that if they take Wendy Hassan with them. They did. Okay. Any other I just think they need more than 60. You think more than 60? Do we start it come back to it? But not to not to deprive you of the ability to advocate for more right now. Why were we coming back to it may go down. I was going to say if we have left, you can start at put at 60 and then start it and come back. We're going to put that. It sounds like we have the majority at 60 on that one. So, let's put 60,000 on the senior citizen summer citizens. And that brings us to number 27, Cash Valley Children's Museum. I had heartburn on this one and I didn't get them any money. I I love the idea of a children's museum coming to Cash Valley. The mechanism by which they propose to use these funds to promote it in the form of a float is not what I think would be a good a float is it's going to be gone after the parades. Y I I and I scored it really low because of that. Yeah, me too. The float is not. I I'd move no funding. Okay, I hear a couple no funings. Okay, it looks like no funding for that one. That brings us to number 28, the Cash Valley Civic Ballet. [Applause] They are doing four shows instead of three, but I had a little heartburn again with the hiring of an executive director included in this proposal. And I don't know, I just they do charge for their performances and I realize that they do a great job with the nut tracker. We go every year, but just I will say that this is only 21% of their funding, which I thought was fairly low. But even at that, I I had them at 35,000, but that might be a little low for the rest of you. I don't know. I did 25. I had 25. I don't object to 35. Go for 35. I'd move to the two 25s though. I go for the 25. 25. Okay, it looks like we're at 25 25,000 for the cash valley. That brings us to the cowboy rendevous Um, I'd give him the 25, but the 21 for 21. They're asking for 21. More than they asked for. They're asking for more than they did last year. Last year's 18,000. What's that? Last year they received 18,000. I put the same amount they got last year. I I would lean towards that, too. Say what their attendance numbers were. What's that? I said I'm not sure what the attendance was going. I'm just thinking parody wise, we just talked about these uh Chamber of Commerce events,000 people and we gave them 20. Um, last year we gave 18 this one. Okay. I've heard several different numbers. What's the board? I'd go with 20 if you wanted to be fair with the other group. 20. Well, that that we were talking about the other rings. 25,000 people multiple events. I don't know the attendance on this event. I've never been to this. I've never attended. Is it Mountain Crest? Center and they've had increased attendance there and a lot of they bring in quite a few of beginning entertainers. It's busy. You've been there? Oh, yeah. It's really busy. Yeah. It's a good event. I The only reason I bring that up is mostly you think about the chamber one. Yes. If if you feel comfortable giving this one over 20,000. So, uh so what's the proposal? 20 21 here. I'd move 18. We're 18. 18. You said 18. Same as last year. 18,000. Yeah. Same as last year. 18,000 for Cowboy Rendevous. That brings us to number 30. Cash Valley Cruisin. And looks like they're asking for 49,000. 49,800. Did Did they say how much? Oh, somewhere on here you said how much we gave them last year. I couldn't find it in the cash value. Could we ask the applicants to make sure they put what they got last year on their application? The exact number, not just the amount, but in every one of those categories of historical funding. I would love to see the exact Yeah, me too. Because it gets confusing. They just kind of I just rolled the 40,000 from last year forward again. What I had 40,000 from last year. Any other thoughts? Okay, I see you had nods for 40,000. Let's do 40,000. That brings us to number 31, the Cash Valley Cup. I'm really conflicted on this one because it is a an organization where you pay to participate, but also um you know my like full disclosure, my kids play in that cup each year and we play teams from Wasach, from um from you know, Utah County, from like all over. They are coming from Idaho. So that means they're staying here, they're eating here, they're using restaurants here and and hotels, etc. So this one I I it shows are being funded by the restaurant. So yeah, you're right. Yeah. So they are definitely um patronizing while they're here. How long How long's the event? Is it just a day? No days. Three days. Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Yes. That's pretty Wednesday, Thursday. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Wednesday. This the first time they've ever made a request, right? Yeah. They're they're a nonprofit and so the only thing that it can be used for is tourism. So I would they're bringing 175 to 200 teams which comes out to about 2 to 3,000 people. Are they all played in the north end of the valley? They've been in North Logan the last several years. Um and and other points and some of the some in the cash recreation complex where uh investments of this board have provided the capacity for events like this to take place through the the things that we've developed and put throughout the valley. my uh and and maybe this isn't always the right lens to use, but I think it's worth considering like um of of what would you know so if a lacrosse group says well we're going to host a tournament and they come and apply for funds and then there's another soccer group that comes and applies and and um it becomes on the arts side we have some umbrella organizations that help to build capacity and then allow allow for those things to happen. And and I wonder if that might not be the right course uh on on this side as well. I don't know if that means I I just this one's a tough one for me. Like I I can see how it checks a lot of boxes on the restaurant tax and it does bring a lot of people. Um on on the other hand, it just feels a little further a field from things we've funded like this in the past. And so I'm I'm just I'm just kind of stuck. I believe isn't there another big soccer that uses almost the whole valley. I think this is the last one. It used to be the whole valley, but it they've been they haven't been using all the rest of the fields. I don't know why. You know, Sky View, they had people up there playing at Sky View. They had PE and they they I talked to some they were using the whole valley, but then this one here was kind of Yeah. I don't know why they don't play on other fields. They're fields. 8 to 10 fields. I think they over I'm I didn't I didn't fund it at all because I just thought it was just kind of smaller. Well, now out of the budget because we're really talking about two different monies. We're talking about the restaurants. This one if we're following it under restaurants. Um, I mean, how much are we worried about how much money we're allocating from versus one versus the other when it comes to the It works out at the end. Works out at the end. It works out at the end that can do both. We make sure we get it from the right budget, right pots of money. But I I agree. is like, you know, can we have all these all groups doing it in little tournaments asking for money, but I think the merit of how big this one is, this multiple days, uh really adds to a a very big different skew where they're they're now staying in hotels, they're they're needing to be up here. Um you know, if it's just a you know, I don't know, my kid has gone to some kung fu tournaments that here locally that are just small, but is that scope of the impact that it's making on the community? Um, I was recently in Palm Springs and there was a giant tennis tournament going on that that obviously probably received, you know, encouragement to grow there and now it's a big event there in Palm Springs. And um I mean not that we're going to have big huge tennis tournaments here with pros, but but this is what we're trying to foster is that that cash people come to Cash Valley similarly to some of the bike events or other things that that go on is just or even the downtown events just like what brings people to Cash Valley because there's the Fondo that we've we've funded for many years and there's other similar like you said the bike event. Yeah. Which I guess I because I'd love your your your outlook on that. It's just that But like what's going to bring what brings people makes Cash Valley a place that if they stay then it's you know I I really like this conversation and I like um that we're thinking about this. I almost feel like we should on these restaurant ones especially have them do a survey for us every year and and have all their participants. Did you stay in a hotel? How many nights did you stay in a hotel? How many meals did you get at a restaurant? That would mean a lot. What what percentage of your teams came from outside Cash Valley? This is not these. This is North. This isn't them. They just have the North. They just charge the the fields the team to play on their fields. How much do you charge on your fields for it? That's it. So that's a representative here from the only question we can really ask is that question probably. I mean because otherwise the cost is reflected on those that come to participate, right? If the costs go up, then it just goes on those companies this way, which it's pay to play. I don't know. Yeah. You know, I this does I I like the Palm Springs example, Indian Wells. That's that's a good example. And I think about St. George a lot, too. A lot of people do stuff like this in St. George. I know my kids went to tournaments down there. And um and that is something that really builds that economy. It supports restaurants. It supports hotels. It supports retail. Uh when we have things like this, bringing people And I I like the idea of supporting these types of things. I don't know if that's the kind of thing where we should always be supporting them. Uh maybe it's the kind of thing where we support them to help them get to some level and then they become self- sustaining. Um but I I do like the visitors aspect, especially with this being a multi-day event because multi-day actually I think is preferred over those one day like that pumpkin festival we were talking about. That's not a multi-day. People might just drive up for the day and then drive home. These people are staying in hotels, which that's a whole another source of revenue that we're not distributing today is the hotel tax that gets generated. Yeah, I put down 5,000. Uh, one one interesting way to proceed might be to make a small investment off the bat, see what they can do with it and and document it and bring it back. That's that's that's why I put five that could be a path forward. Okay, we have a proposal for 5,000. Any other thoughts? I'd say I I'd recommend list I I'd like to see it at 10. Um but then um I like the concept that I think they should tell us the numbers. I think a survey would I don't the applicant would be interesting to reach out to the applicant to to do that survey so that they can back up. Well, just on the application, I think it should it should ask for some information like this. Yeah, it's a multi-day. What's it number of attendance? Well, we we could do that with all these restaurant ones. We could say, "Here's your money." However, there are strings attached and granters across the country do that. Uh especially government agencies, they want reporting. Uh federal government's really good at that. And um I I don't see any problem with us saying, "Here's your money and here are the strings that are attached. You need to fill out this report and give us a report back if you want to be considered next year." Yeah. I think it'll help us judge which events are, you know, making a bigger impact in the county. Sure. Okay. So, I heard five and 10. I put five. My only 10. Five. I was going to go with 10. I guess I'll fall to the minority here. I'll I'll go with five, but I won't I can't support. Okay. So, we're at five on Cash Valley Cup. Okay. That brings us to number 32, Gardener's Marcus. They sure had a jump on a very similar conversation of this one. Um I I don't think this brings a lot of people from out of town. That's very consistent. Um but uh so but I have a map that they put up and they have people mark where they're from and they're from all over. I don't know if they're from all over years ago or they're from somewhere else years ago or they came that morning from all over the place. I I like that kind of creative data gathering though that gives us that kind of insight. And I I when I'm traveling, it's rare for me to say I'm going to go to X place to go to their gardener market, but it's the kind of thing that when my family travels and we see something like that happening, we do end up going to be a part of that event. I think I think that's what this is doing is it is it gives anyone who's waking up here on a Saturday morning during the summer going, "What's there to do here?" Oh, there's this. Yeah, it's it's a big event. Yeah, it's a great event. I thought that was a pretty dramatic jump. I I gave an extra thousand. I put him at five. I was gonna say five. Yeah, I was thinking. Any other thoughts? I I had him at four. Four. Four also. Let's go for five. I'm fine with four cuz I We got two fives. It was a big It was a It was a major jump and I just didn't see it in there. Yeah. Okay. So, I hear several several fours and a couple fives. I'll go four then. Okay. Sounds like we're at four. Okay. Four for Gardeners Market. That brings us to number 33, Cash Valley Men's Chorus. Cash Valley men's course. Number 33. I gave him the thousand. Yeah, I gave the thousand. Okay. Very consistent all the way through. All right, let's do $1,000 for number 33. That brings us to number 34, the Cash Valley Symphonic Society. Is this one new? I believe it is in new. Yeah, they've not applied in the last four years, but there's they're supporting the Cash Symphony Orchestra, the Mount Logan Symphony Orchestra, the New Horizons Orchestra, the Good Times Marching Band. I mean, they've got four or five organizations. It's kind of like when the four theaters banded together to make their alliance. So, this is just the same thing. They're and they're doing what we wanted. They're they're making one umbrella organization underneath these other or over these other organizations. And I that's a great I like that better than sponsoring a proliferation of organizations. Uh um so I I I have funding for them. I didn't give the full 27. I think I was around 12 or 15, but I was going to say I have 10. So, okay, I heard 10, 12, and 15. Thoughts? Give them 20 numbers. 10, 25. Okay, I hear a couple tens. 12 and a 15. What else? 15. 15 for sure. If they're serving that, if they're serving that many 15. Okay, we've got four 15. So, let's go with 15. Okay, that brings us to number 35, Cash Valley Visitors Bureau. The sign gave updated, Julie. Yeah, this is the new sign. I hadn't clarified. Is the sign right out here, right? Is it the sign that's both? Yeah, both signs. Where are we? We are on number 35, Cash Valley Visitors Bureau. Do they have an exact just just for the signs? Signs are expensive. I know. But does that is that the bid already? Is that I didn't send out a bid. The last time that we did it, it was 22 and we paid for it out of my budget for this building 10 years, more than 10 years ago. So I anticipate there may be some extra costs and I thought that I could take that money from my reserves to make any difference. David wants to say more cash county and the bureau. So um you're saying cash county is going to take the bigger part of it. Um well anyway I I I'm in favor of taking it all out of your reserve. [Laughter] Well I I'd say we just fund it all the way through. Um you don't like similar to parts though let's say if it doesn't come in as expensive does the money come back? Yes absolutely they only they reimbursement so that on all of these they have to go spend the money then they come get reimbursement. Yes. Let's do full. I have it at full as well. Yep. Okay. Full. Okay. I've got a majority for full vote or full boy. I had it zero. I'll I'll bring that up again in council. So I I say you pay out of your reserve and you'll be fine. Okay. So uh that brings us to 36 cash youth orchestras. I would propose 5,000 instead of the 10,000. That was a big jump from last year. I had a five too. So sounds good to me. Okay. I got uh majority at five. So let's go with five on that one. And uh this is a a landmark or a milestone. We're done with all the cash names. Oh wow. That is we're not halfway through. Third of our names about start with cash. So maybe that makes things a little more a little more simple. So because we're at number 37, the Chamber Music Society of Logan, last. I agree with that. Okay, they asked for six. I hear a couple fours. I'm fine with four. Okay, 4,000 on that one. That brings us to Clarkston City number 38. They asked for 33,000. Well, so this this is one where I I guess as I speak of the townships is that uh we're going to see a whole series here where everyone's asking for actually two of them I think are forwards but but um but some are asking for near full funding. Um some are asking for half and and I think to treat it more equal I think similar to last year that it's almost like okay you know we're going to treat them more equally where and and I guess each situation can be a little bit different where you know, maybe uh maybe I don't know, like if someone's already paid some of the money down and so they're just asking for to finish it off, but maybe details. But anyway, I just I just want to make sure we approach it equally through through the towns. Yeah, that's a good point. And we should also look at how much they've been getting every year. How frugal are they? This one, I think, is an interesting example because most of the cities ask every year. these they haven't asked in in the last four years. Yeah, I did see that they they haven't asked. I thought well 22 23 kind of a safety issue too. They want lighting and they want to enhance their drainage and maintenance so they can make those courts more acceptable for others to I would say full funding for this. I was going to have any concern with that full funding. Okay, that was $33,92 and another milestone. We're done with the first page. Wow. Woohoo. But we're only on C. Yeah, we're on C. We're still on C because we're on Cornish. So number 39 is the town of Cornish. At least they were going to provide a city match of 10,000. So, they were going to put some They were going to put some skin in the game. Yeah, I I had this one at 40. Okay, that's good, too. I had it 45, but I'm good with 40. Okay. 45,000 for that brings us to number 40, the Four Seasons Theater Company. And actually number numbers 40 and 41 are both Four Seasons. The theater company zero on the advertising. I don't know why, but I did. And then 5050 on the Four Seasons. The number 40. I gave him 50,000. I I noticed all of the theater companies are up substantially this year over the the previous year's ask. Is there something going on? Wendy will know all the answers. Would you come forward? Answered when I asked her. Wendy Hassan, Cash Valley Center for the Arts. I know that both Music Theater West and Cash Theater Company are looking towards increasing their activity by a third because of the availability of summer dates moving forward. They did receive some support for ramping up at short notice in summer 2025, but looking forward, I think they'd like to do more year- round programming. Four Seasons Theater Company already is doing year round programming, but they do all talk to each other, work together. They've become increasingly collaborative. So, those would be the four like music theater west and cash theater and the four seasons. Isn't there another isn't there four groups that are all together in there's a new group called Valley Actors Club which is not yet a nonprofit and they will be performing this summer in Lionhe Heart Hall. Okay. And you say a availability theater. Yes. Four Seasons performs of course at Sky View High School. Lower price point further north. Um, Cash Theater Company does more new shows and also does the children's club uh camps that have so many students involved. And uh, Music Theater West has traditionally really focused on uh, live orchestra. But both Music Theater West and Cash Theater Company have been in multiple venues. And it's been nice to see them use Lionhe Heart Hall for Daddy Longlegs, the Utah Theater for Emma, and then come to the Ellen Eckles for Scarlett Pimpernel, so they're able to scale to what the show demands. Okay. So, uh, we have Thank you very much, Wendy. Uh, thanks for being here and for helping us understand even though we know this is not your application, but we know that they're a partner. So we have number 40 is four seasons theater company and uh that's company uh 2025 season expenses request of 80,000 and then four season theater company number 41 is advertising budget of 20,000 zero let them use their money how they see fit. 80,000 would would be the full thing for 40, but zero on 41. And I had zero and 41 too myself. I've got zero on the 41. I didn't have quite an 80 on the other one, but that's fine. So, if you don't advertise and they don't come, how does that work? It is the advertising budget. It's hard for me to find some of these applications on short notice on the online stuff that um is is that out of area advertising because they're they are currently advertising because I see advertisements for their productions. I don't think the the conception is no advertising if we don't fund this and I don't think we've funded them for advertising in the past. Um I'm I'm comfortable with raising uh relative to the past given what what Wendy's explained and and connecting the the dots to other things I've understood there. I'm I said yeah. Isn't that part of expenses? You know the one for example the season expenses. I would think that would be all together. Why would you have to have two separate items in there? One for just advertising and then one with all the expenses. I'm going no just have one application and it would include everything that you're going to do in advertising and everything for that. you know, when they start jumping around, it's it's almost like they're wanting to I don't know. I get a feel of double dipping. They're just trying to get save money. I have a question about that. So, uh, you put on here that their operating expenses could be wraps, but or am I reading this right? But that the advertising wraps as well. Couldn't the advertising be either restaurant. It could. Yes, but we could use in their in their project. It says, "This application requests supplemental funding for advertising beyond Cash County, specifically in northern Utah from Ogden and Salt Lake City down to Provo and parts of Utah County." Yeah. So that that's how I see the advertising is that um they're trying to go beyond and I don't know if they've done that in the past but u they're trying to go beyond their normal advertising and get people from outside the valley to come here which is what I view as a restaurant tax usage and and the one for advertising is a new application. They have applied before in the past, but it's just been one application, but this year was a new one for the advertising. But in their application on number 40, they do have a line that says advertising. And to me, okay, you know, and then all of a sudden then you go to the other one and that is yes, it has a specific, oh, we're going to go greater than outside whatever it may be. But I'm sitting there going, hey, that's just part of your workings and just do it in one application, an operating budget. Yeah. I see I I' you know maybe somewhere in between I throw out I I' maybe fund the 60 for the main request and not fund the uh out of area marketing is a separate request if they chose to do some out of area marketing out of this year's budget and can come back subsequently with uh with indications of success uh from from doing some out of area marketing with that we we have funded out of area marketing marketing, I think, separately or at least entertained that separately for uh for the uh the opera company. Um if they could come back with evidence that the out of area marketing that they chose to do out of core budget this time had promise, I'd be open to entertaining that in subsequent years. I'm I'm not sure I feel like I want to invest in that separately out of this particular request. Just my own feeling as I think about what we've discussed here. You look at their proposal on the last page right before their 990 they say specifically what they're planning to do with this advertising. Um what's opa um then Pioneer Theater and the Ruth which is the new hail in Oram. So they they have a and then radio ads in late August. So, they have a specific plan to advertise two theater patrons at least. Uh it looks like three of those uh are ads in programs to theater patrons at other theater. So, they're they're trying to pull people who are already doing that. What it looks like OPA is on pitch performing arts. So it's another kind of south of the valley trying to get interest in arts audiences to come this way. Okay. Yeah. So it looks like that's their strategy is to reach out to people who are are already attending these types of events in other communities on the Wasatch front and invite them to come up here and attend shows here which I think is a good fit for restaurant funding. Um, okay. So, been a lot of discussion. I I heard several proposals for 80 and one for 60. Can we just do that one first? Let's How How do you all feel on the operating expenses for four seasons? That's u number 40. Let's finish that one, then we'll talk about advertising. I like Bruce's proposal. I would go with the 80,000, but then give them nothing and just include that in their budget. Yeah. And maybe next year remind them that one application with advertising involved in that would be probably sit better with us or I don't know. Good thoughts? Anybody want to do something different? Okay, it sounds like we're at 80 and zero on 40 and 41. That brings us to number 42, which is fondo. How do you pronounce this? Spin. H spin. What's that? Spin. Ed spin. All right, we've got two from H spin head spin events. One is the crash the cash grand fondo and the other is the bike tour cash valley centry bike tour. Grand fondo is one of the highest scoring applications and I have them at full funding for 10,000. Me too. Yeah, I did. I did. Okay. 10,000 for ground condo. That brings us to Sentry Bike Tour number 43. This one was the used to be run by someone else and then yeah, they they've come in and brought them under the umbrella um and scored fairly well as well. Did I have them full fun them or not? I've got too many papers. They're only asking for 45 of their $35,000 budget. I've got that fully funded as well. Fully funded. Is there any reason for an increase from last year from 3,000 to 45? I couldn't see any reason why. Did anybody notice anything? They they've asked for 35 the last three years in a row or they've got 35 23 and they got 35. I said three. Did I read that wrong? Oh, I did read that wrong. 35. Sorry, it was my fault. Okay. Anybody have anything thoughts otherwise? So, 45. Okay. 45. Full funding on that one. Okay. That we're making good progress. That brings us down to High Park City number 44. Okay. city for $220,000 for their $263,000 budget to do city hall park accessibility. I I had a little heartburn at this one at first when I thought they were asking for funds for their city hall to me that it was the park surrounding the city hall which is where the bulk of their park spaces. I um I became much more enthusiastic. get scored quite well and um I don't spend as much time at Hide Park City Hall as I used to, but having been in meetings there, I can attest that the courts nearby get used, the playgrounds get like there's there's demand for that space uh and and for some amenities there that I think would be uh very helpful uh for for that community. So, I like that they were timing this so that they were having their scheduled transmission line works going to go through. So, they're going to do this, you know, so that they don't have to do something over again. So, I thought and with some ADA features, I thought that would be something that would be helpful for the people of Hide Park to have. Okay. So, proposals 200,000. I got 200. It's at 200. 200. What do you think, Damon? 200's great for me. It's at 90%. Cutting it back a of to total request. So cutting it back to 200 I think is helpful to have them put a little more in, but but I think 200's pretty reasonable. Okay. Any other thoughts? 200 it is. I didn't have quite that high, but still a good project. Okay. That brings us then to number 45, which is Hyum City. They're asking $350,000 for $895,000 project uh for lead annex. Is there a standard for how someone presents the percentage of a budget? I I I can't recall if this was one where I'd had that concern. Sometimes someone will have a wraps project that span that they're seeking funding for over the course of five years and they say this is only 20% of the total project cost, but it's actually 100% funded by wraps because they asked for it over five years. Yeah. Um and and other times we'll get someone that says it's 20% because they're dumping in the other 80%. Um, and I I don't remember if this may maybe that's a side note for a conversation later on whether we need some standards on the application itself for how people are to determine percentage of funding. But we we have been in elite hall for funding before uh and and it's a super cool facility that I think warrants uh some funding and support. Um scored pretty well too. They actually have a really good in their application that shows all of their sources of funding historically uh including how much the city has put in 745,000 how much they got from various grants from Shipo and Raphs and other organizations um which is nice break that down it looks like a little more than half of those since 2015 dollars um a total of 1.1 million invested since 2015 and 225,000 of that has been drafted. This is a really good one to bring up your point because they broke it down for us. That's Yeah, I that's exactly the kind of data I would hope we would get uh for for this project. I I liked it. I definitely would like to see them get some funding. Maybe we could have a multi-year category. So if a project takes more than one year that we could see what the whole total project goal is. I don't know would that be helpful to have a if it's a multi-year project that we could see what each year they're they have gotten or they're projecting to get. That would be helpful to me. I think yeah I put down $200,000. That's that's what I put down too. That's where I had them. It's uh consistent with what we've typically been giving to Hyum over the last several years. Uh and um yeah, yeah, good project. I'd love to see Okay. Um so 200,000 for that one and it matches what they're putting in for the project. Okay. So 200,000 that matches what we gave to Hyde Park as well. Um, I'm gonna propose that we take a recess at this moment because our lunch is here. Hoping we could get 50. Yeah. Let's at least finish this book. Do it, right? Finish the book. You want to finish the book at least? Yeah. Oh, you guys have a book. Okay, do that. 48. It'll be quick. 46. 48. Yeah. So, 46 is Jump the Moon. Great organization. Yeah. Fantastic. I have them at 20,000. That's what I said was 20. You got 20. Okay. 20,000. All right. That was quick. Justice by objective is not eligible. So, okay. That's what I wondered. So, zero zero. Okay. And then that brings us to number 48. Oh, yeah. City. There's two from Lot. Oh, yeah. So, there's the split uh binders here. I on the on 49. I gave them the entire thing 57 but I did not fund anything on 48. You don't want them to have rest gyms here the sports that again 48 I said nothing 49 I gave him the full 57 and what what was why is your rationale on that because that's 100% of the cost on on 40 Wait no am I looking at the right one? Yeah it's 100% on 49. Yeah. 100% of the cost on 49. And we kind of tried to shy away from being sole funding on projects with cities so that they match. They don't ask every year. Don't ask every year. That's true. They don't. And this is a maintaining a facility that they already have. And that's how I testified. I'm okay with that proposal. I have it at 50, but I'm okay with the the full fund. Say Say that again on both those. Yeah. run this. Nothing on 48, 57 on 50, but Damon said 50, excuse me, on 49. So, I'd like to see him get 50% of that on 48, but yeah, I think that's I had them at 50%,000. Yeah, I had them about 50% on both of them. We have now I say 56,000 on that one and then I'll and then fully fund the resurfacing. So put some Okay. So we have half funding on the first one and full funding on the second one. This Dave's proposal. Yeah. Funding. Yeah. Is 56,000 even. I see a majority of nods on that. Okay. So that gives us right 56,000 even. Yeah. 56,000 even on number 48. And then number 49, fully funded. Yeah, they don't request every year 7,000. I'm excited to talk about 50, but we can wait till after lunch. Yeah, after lunch. Okay. All right. We're going to recess. We're going to go grab lunch. Um and we'll get back in here as fast. Oh, can I give one bit of information that Matt brought to me? The reason it shows a decrease in the restaurant tax is because in 2024 the amount that they had as coming in included the carryover from the prior year not actually drop that we had not actually dropped. So 202 tax 2023 1 point or 2.24 we had it down at 2.8 but it was really 2.4 or this year is 2.4. It's up about $100,000 from last year. Not a drop. Good. That makes more sense. All right, we are recessed till we're done with lunch. So, it's noon on Okay, I'm going to call back to order the wraps and restaurant board meeting and uh we're all back uh reconvening from our lunch recess. It's uh 12:37 and uh we left off on application number 50, Logan City School District. I think we're making good progress. That took us two hours to get through basically the first half. Uh maybe a little bit more. And so let's keep let's keep that uh momentum going. Logan City School District application number 50. Um I'll start. I I have been as as no funds as they have been restructuring and now are turned to the school district and actively excluding who is allowed to use the facilities. It was one it was a very low low scoring. I agree. I just see that being out of their own budgets for remodeling and other things that they would need. That's just for students. I mean I shouldn't say just but you know there's funding for the students. They should take that out of their budget. Agreed. Okay. Any other thoughts? Okay. All right. We will uh move past that one with no recommend no recommendation for funding. It takes us to number 51, which is Logan City. And we actually have 51, 52, 53, and 54. Those four applications are all Logan City. We have combined those in the past sometimes kind of giving them a lump sum a lump sum crew with the so uh the first one is aquatic center pool replacement boilers two of them for the waiting pool. Next is Main Street Pedestrian bike underpass. And then outdoor recreation complex disc golf course restroom. And then the next one is outdoor recreation complex disc golf course picnic tables and picnic tables. Is that the old dock? Yes. Okay. Yeah. The landfill. The landfield. Future park. It sounds nicer that way. Future park. But they're also putting frisbee golf course. Ju just one observation relative to Logan City. It seems like that we several years ago apparently they requested $475,000. And so every year we have given them either $45,000 $475,000 exactly or $47742. This year they're requesting a total of 477 642 which is in line with what they've got the last four or five years. I recommended that you fund 100% of all four of them. I agree with that one. I really do because of the what they've done there. Any other thoughts? Okay. Hearing none, we'll have full recommendation for 51, 52, 53, and 54. really brings us then to number 55 which is Logan Community Foundation and they actually have 55 and 56 with Logan Community Foundation and uh Cash Theater Company. What did we end up doing for the uh four seasons that we looked at? Did we give them 80,000? And how does that compare to the requests uh and and and what they're doing so that we can treat the theater companies somewhat equitably? I think we gave the 80,000 not the 20. Yeah, we gave the 80 but not the 20. I think this is two different entities there. There's a Panoric Academy and then there's the Cash Theater Company. I think they're they're under the same umbrella group. Did I read that wrong? Yeah, they're under the same nonprofit, but they operate two different programs. Two different programs. Yeah, that's why there's two I suggested 20 and 80. 20 for the Academy for the Performing Arts and 80 for the theater company, which is in line with what we did with the other theater company. You're saying 20. You're saying 20 for number 55? Yes. Okay. And that's what I have. And 80 for number 56. Correct. And I've only got 40 for them. But the 80 is comparable with what we is exactly the same as amount as we gave the other theater company for Oh, for 56. You're saying the 80,000 for the cash theater company. and because they're expanding their offering to kind of cover with the opera gone. That's and that's why I even I I actually even want to bump that a little bit higher because they're taking over where the opera has vacated this summer. Exactly. That's that's how I felt because they they jumped up. They've they've stepped up on some things. So, I wasn't going to fully fund I I had a 45 on 55 Academy and and then I went to 90 on the other one. So, I don't know. I really they they really jumped up on that. Stepped up on some things and came through on some things. Looked at that one at 4 in the morning, right? That was about 4:30. You were full before you you were fully awake and happy. Okay. The academy is serving like 850 children to get them to be performers. I I give them a little bit more than 20,000 I think. So Dave was where you at? 45. Is that what you said? 45 is what I had it on number 55. Go 45. Okay. I see a couple 45s. What What the rest you think? Yeah. Okay. I see lots of head nods for 45,000 on number 55 and then 80,000 on 56. They're stepping up. That's what I suggested, but they had higher. I I went higher on that one person just because they're taking more they were taking more responsibility on things. You'd be fine with what? 90. I'm okay with that. Down 90. 90 is fine. 90. I'm okay with that. But I might if if we need to come back looking for more money, that's one that I say we want to come back to. Good suggestion. Okay. So, it was 45 and 90 or 55 and 56. Okay. That brings us to the next two which are 57 and 58 which are both through Logan Downtown Alliance. Recommending full funding on both of those. Okay. So, Logan downtown wait 10,000 and 20,000. Okay. So, we have 57 and 58. 10 and 15. You have 10 and 20. I'll go with 10 and 15. That first one 57 does not have quite as strong of a score. I I had that one 8500 myself, but then I fully funded the second one. That that's kind of been was my leaning to fully fund the second and full Yeah. fully fund a higher ranked one and the second one's just not is not as much. I'd propose 10 and 20. 10 and 20. That's what I had. 10. Okay. It looks like we're at 10 and 20 on those. So 10,000 for number 57 and 20,000 for number 58. Which brings us to Yogen Logan youth Shakespeare. I don't understand it. You don't understand what it said. It said in your recommended order Logan Cash airport self-s served field farm. Oh no, we're not there yet. We're on Logan Shakespare. Logan youth Shakespeare uh number 59. That's what mine says in your recommendation. Okay. Cash airport 60. Cash airport's the next one. 60. This is the new one. Out of order in the tabs. It says Yeah, the back page has backage. It just says Logan. The tab might be in the wrong spot. Logan Shakespeare $5,000 that says your recommended award. It has like a box in it. It says Logan Cash Airport self-s served fuel farm project. That's just a mis mis everything else shows 59 as as Logan Shakespeare. Gotcha. If it if it's in order, I would recommend just fully funding Logan Shakespeare. Yes, I agree. 5,000. Okay, that one's fully funded. Logan Shakespeare $5,000. Which now brings us to number 60, the Logan Cash Airport. Then he picked It seemed like to me that we maybe three or four years the airport came in with probably about a half a million dollars to refurbish some of the things out there. We decided as a group that the airport uh did not get that type of a a funding. So listen, here's 150,000 for a gas tank uh that's available after hours for anybody coming and going. I'm not sure our feelings now if we still have a change of heart, if you will, to go ahead and fund something like that. Yeah, that was in 2023 when that other application came in and um we we felt like it it was too much and not enough details and we had several questions about it wasn't fully formed. Uh I think the proposal and so this proposal is for $150,000 this time. And so what's your what's your thoughts on it then? And we do have the airport manager here if you have questions. How many flights did they actually get out of bis um out of business hours outside of regular business hours? I just didn't know that. I mean, are we talking three or are we talking 300? Bob Low, the airport manager. So, that is one of the one of the benefits of having after hours fueling, but also during the day. We have over 100,000 flights per year out of our airport. And right now someone who wishes to travel in here as a destination or they're stopping here on their way to somewhere else, they go other places because the fuel it's so hard to get fuel here because we have limited trucks to fuel them. So if they could pull up to the selfserve it, we're we're going to attract more airplanes, more people coming here to visit. So yes, after hours we have flights, but it's the the the bigger majority is the people that were missing because we're so busy with the flight school that the fuel trucks always don't have the flight school. These are flights mainly that are flying in but really just to fill up and keep going like not to stay. Some of them are and some of them come and stay. Yeah. When you say 100,000 is that 100,000 passengers or 100 That's 100 That's over 100,000. Um that's that includes the flight schools. That includes the local people. That's Yeah. Yeah. Landings. How much what percentage of that is? 60%. Oh no. I think I failed to see how this really is an a wraps request is what my Yeah, it's a restaurant request. So the thought is bringing people here, correct? Getting people to stop here. Yep. On their flights. Maybe they're going cross country. Maybe they're coming to somewhere in the region and this would get them to come here, maybe stay here. Right. When I when I flew, I I was a helicopter pilot and I flew around the country. And when I did my flight planning, especially if I had to spend the night somewhere, I wanted a self-s serve place where I could stop, I could fuel up myself after hours, get a hotel room, and then in the morning get up and go early in the morning. So, I know as a professional pilot that that's what people are looking for. They're looking for places where they can fuel themselves and then spend the night and then be up be up and gone before the sun's up the next morning. So is there sales tax included in that fuel cell? Yes. Yeah. And so that some of that comes back to us to the general sales tax. Yeah. And I'm hearing from a lot of these people that why they aren't landing here to fuel. they will not pay the price of the fuel because our we don't have a competitive bid system or something to make sure that the fuel we have like is there just one person for one person providing all the fuel for Yeah. So the way an airport runs is you have you have an agreement with an FBO, a fixed base of operations and there's I believe 15 requirements that qualifies them as as an FBO and they have to they have to fulfill I believe seven of those. One of them is provide fuel a courtesy car maintenance flight school on and on and on right and so they have the contract with us to sell the fuel so they set the price. See, and that just to me is wrong. And well, that there's only one. So, this would provide a second one. It could it could. Yeah. If if if we own it and operate it, it would and and then the airport would be able to set the price and have a competitive price against the one fuel seller. I'm not 100% sure on the details of whether or not we can compete against something someone we have a contract with, so I can't speak intelligently on that question. today. I can get an answer though. But that that that's the intent is that the airport would own and operate this rather than the FBO. We could we could do it that way or we could lease it back to the FBO and they would continue to sell and operate it. They would they would inspect it. They would make sure it had fuel in it. They would do the maintenance on it and we would lease them the tank and and the operating system. And then that would be a source of revenue for the airport. and determine the price of the fuel. They would because it is it's the price of fuel here is higher than almost anywhere else. It is crazy high here. I've had several pilots say, "You know what? I go land somewhere else, fuel up, and then they'll bring the Greek in here park and they spend as much getting back here as they would have saved." Either way, they you know, it's like it's like I've done that, too. My my wife will say, "Well, it's cheaper in Brigham. We go fill up and bring them and we drive back and they could on their way. But I'm just saying that there's something about that and that's why I'm sitting there. We're going to go put another tank in to be in the same problem which then pushes people away from landing. I'm going Yeah. Well, the fact is we're we're the second busiest airport in the state and we're the first busiest that doesn't have a control tower. So those fuel prices aren't necessarily driving people away. Has has anyone talked to the person the the entity that's currently on a commercial basis selling fuel in the daytime about whether it's a reasonable and and viable business plan to sell it to to go to a 24-hour model would I'm I'm trying to understand where the market is failing to provide here um and why the the current group that's selling fuel in the daytime wouldn't just start start selling in the evening if they could make money by doing so. So, I think we're confusing two issues here. One of the issues is the after hours, right? And so, the the FBO definitely could stay open after hours. But what I'm trying to address is that during business hours, how busy it is there, there are people that have to wait 30, 40, sometimes an hour for fuel. And so, instead of waiting for fuel, they're going to other places. They're not even stopping in Logan. That's what I'm even during the daytime. Correct. The busiest time you can you can see air. There's six six airplanes lined up to take off, but the pattern's so full they can't take off. And that that's after they've waited for fuel for half hour to an hour. So, we're trying to make our airport more efficient, more more attractive to other people to come in here and buy fuel, stay. But right now, a lot a lot of those folks are bypassing us. We also have plans. We're we're trying to get a tower here with state money and f federal money. So, we would be one of the busiest airports in the state and have a control tower. So, that would free up that traffic. Um, I'm a little bit conflicted here because it sounds like we haven't totally thought through the program when you say we could lease it back to them or we could operate it ourselves. Yeah, there's a we have a we have the airport authority board has a committee that's currently working on this solution of just which way we go. But the wraps program had a deadline and so here we are, right? But th those options are still being I had an email this morning. Hey, can we meet this week? Yeah. So, has the airport ever gotten wraps money? Not that I'm aware of. I'm I'm new. I know. Uh I've been here I've been here just about a year and a half. I know the last time in 2023 when this was this same one was was applied for they applied for the tank was half a million dollars. I've been able to find one that it's 193,000. It's 20,000 gallon tank and we're not asking for the full amount. We're asking for half of uh that and the installation fee. Um, and I believe my my understanding is the reason why the first application was not approved, which I feel like I addressed in this application, was where's the rest of the money coming from? And the rest of the money is coming from our our our fund, our general fun, our airport's reserve fund, and we have a private investor if that if that doesn't follow through. But we have plenty of money in our reserve fund to cover the the other half. a private investor, the FBO owner. This is this is kind of a different uh type of project than we normally deal with. Elma, I the airport did receive funding for some u some runway uh project one year, but it was like 21 or 22 Maybe earlier. Yeah, it was earlier. I don't remember everbody. I'll have to look back. It was in the news. I do remember it. It was in the news. It was reported on it. Not this committee. Okay. What's the uh what's the preference of this board? I always try to be supportive to the airport out there because of you know I I guess I look to see if as tourism growth happens airport I mean St. has been moving ever since they had uh hit more of a I guess a well what status they become you know I don't new airport yeah just they built a new airport well the new airport but they uh have commercial flights yeah they have commuter airport and I've just wondered how come we don't keep getting to getting to commercial flights so I say anything that's a roadblock that stops that but I mean this is unrelated but I just I just I do think report's good, but I'm not sure the worthiness of this one's for sure. I think sooner or later we're going to have to do something. I I am hesitant given the low score to get excited about investing a lot of funds. Uh this was um yeah, was it was not a strong score. Can I re I suggest that maybe if we did want to consider some amount of funding for it given the low score that we get through the rest of the applications and see what the balance looks like when we get there and revisit the airport question at that time. I'm okay with that. Okay, everybody okay with that? Yeah, because honestly I'd like to give them as much as we can. Could you help me understand the scoring? How how can I score better? How can the airport score higher when it applies another time? wasn't exciting enough. Wasn't exciting. I've heard scores being ranked high or low and I all of us get as we review all of them. We kind of rank them how we how they feel important to fulfilling the goals of the raps tax and um and what it means to the community and and so obviously this is important but it's maybe not as say as as uh doesn't ring the bell for everybody. Some of the things that we look at are how many people is it serving? serving 10,000 versus 500. Is it uh how much is the applicant putting up? Are they asking us to fund 75% versus 25%? 25% will give it a higher score. Yeah, because they're putting more skin. I gota Okay. Thanks. Thanks for the education. All right. Thanks for So, yours yours does okay on those because you're you're talking about only asking for half the money, right? uh you're serving 100,000 flights a year. So, in those categories, you're doing okay. But I think um part of it is it's just different. It's different than a theater or a park. It's kind of a different concept for us to consider to on this. And that's I think probably one of the reasons it hasn't applied in the past. The airport hasn't applied in the past. So, okay. So, it sounds like we're going to hold this one and come back to it. see how much restaurant or wraps. What are we were we talking about restaurant for this? Yeah, restaurant. Yeah. Um I I don't know. I feel like this could qualify for wraps, too, because some of it is recreational flying as well. So, okay. So, we'll come back and see if we have any money left. Thank you. Thanks, Bob. Before you move on, um sorry, Bob. Um the Logan Cash Airport in 2020 received 310 162 and if I remember right it was um for runway work. Okay. In 2020. Okay. We were all in well that was before my time. So uh that brings us to 61 Mend City $56,000 request. I think if we go back on some of our other reasoning, I'm I'm likely to help with this, but again, their total project cost is like $56,100600 and they want, you know, 99% of their project 98% of their project funded by RAPS. I know. Was there a city contribution other than just their didn't say anything about their Yeah, they're going to do the work or something. I don't know. So, we keep it kind of on that other same standard we've had. It'd be more of like a $40,000. That's exactly where I had it. Yeah. 40. Okay. Head nods. Yeah. Okay. 40,000 for men city. That brings us to numbers 62 and 63 which are both Milville City Outdoor Football Court and South Park Pavilion phase 2. I had to Google what football was. I didn't even know what it is either. Yeah, there was a picture. There was a picture in it. There's a picture of it. Well, I know, but that didn't show me. I thought that was gone. I saw that and then I had to Google again cuz I was like church halls outdoor foot I heard of footsaw but outdoor footall is new for me cuz usually it's the rational for being inside. Yeah. I don't know is what's the the popularity of that? That's what kind of shocked me that I know. I've never Or is it something that they I' have seen that they've done things kind of like the little soccer comp inside of ice arenas? Yeah. Indoor soccer is popular certain times during summer and then they come back and Well, it's an ice arena during the winter. What's it called so uh popular? I thought it would be multi-use for what's that one all the little boys love? Gaga. Oh yeah. I thought it would be something more like Gaga. Fall gaga. Gaga. Never heard of it. Oh, it's so popular and all the elements. Got to find a Gaga court and some 10-year-olds and it's a fun game. It is. And I I'm not averse to doing new stuff like put like I think it's nice to to maybe, you know, support trying some things out. Um I that one scored kind of a little lower uh and and whereas 63 scored quite high. Yeah. And and we probably want to take that into 63 was their number one and I entirely and I didn't give anything to That's exactly what I did. Okay. I heard majority there say no money for football and fully fund the South Park pavilion. Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's do that. Which brings us then to number 64 which is Mountain West Strings Academy. I have full funding for them. I have 2500 for them. Okay. Full funding for Mountain West Strings Academy 2500. And that brings us to Music Alliance for Youth Scholarship number 65. I didn't I didn't either. I was not impressed. There's there's some private lesson stuff covered in there that distinguished them for me from some of the others. I I love giving youth in our community exposure to uh to to music and arts opportunities. I think private lessons is probably not something that we should be funding. I think they were doing free music lessons to under reppresented populations is what it was. Kids that may not be able to afford music lessons. Gotcha. Okay. That's what their application said. So, they wanted to hire some more instructors and get new stands and repair possibly instruments. Okay. So, sounds like no funding on that one. Won't give him anything. Oh, jeez. Guys. Okay. Did you want to do Kathy? Are you making an argument for I was thinking at least give them a couple thousand if they they're just trying to help you know about $2,000. Yeah. See what they can do with it and see if they can you okay with that get that Bruce's scalling at me. We just don't know. Yeah. It's hard when it's unknown. The application was really quite weak where we just don't know. I I was even $2,000. I would like No, there needs to be a little more detail in the proven record on some things that I Do you want them to conduct a survey for next year? They can do whatever they want for their application. I'm going by the application myself. So maybe that's the recommendations is no funding and then next year hopefully we'll learn more about ask them for more detailed information. Is that what you're after? Everyone's welcome to watch and listen to the proceedings of this meeting and they can review that and say they need to strengthen their application. Okay. Sounds like we're moving on from that one with no recommended funding which brings us to number 66. Music Theater West asking for $80,000 which is gave to the other theater companies. That's what we gave the other two, wasn't it? Yeah. So is that the recommendation? Full funding of their request at $80,000. Okay. Yeah. 39,000 35,000 now with all of the theater companies. We've done that with the idea that they're helping to fill the space that's been vacated by the opera company. Well, not in the form. Not for They're Yeah, they're doubling their output. It's basically what's happening with the smaller theater companies. You have to have something for the summer citizens to come see. Yeah. Okay, that brings us to 67 Newton Town. They're asking for $123,000 and their $26,000 project for pickle ball courts. Replace their old tennis courts. I thought that was a good choice. Yeah. It's only 59% of the project cost. They actually had some bids in there that I always like to see that they've done. Yeah. We we we've partially funded this in the past and I think this finishes their project. Yeah. So 123,859. Is that the recommendation? Yes. You okay, Dave? Okay. Full funding. Full funding for Newton. It's like you've never played pickle ball. You'd be addicted if you did. I played ping pong. Isn't it glorified ping pong? You find a new activity between 4 and 6 in the morning is what you do. I love it. Okay, that brings us to number 68, 69, and 70, which are well actually let's do these separately. The separate. Yeah, children's theater is separate. That's should be listed separate. That's a separate organization. So, um, these first two then 68 and 69 are children's theater, um, which is a separate nonprofit from the city. Oh, wait a minute. That seemed like that's Nibby's request, isn't it? Yeah, I guess it is coming in. Yeah, I think they're using it for other things. That's theater booth seating. I know, but yeah, it isn't. It isn't the theater. request is the money for the pharaoh's quest. But I thought the bleeders bleachers were going to be used for other things besides just the view. Yeah. It looks like public gatherings I said and um movies in the park. So they had multi-use forum. Yeah. So I guess that's why that's under the city 69 which is the children's theater. I approved 100% of that 200. Yeah. Anybody have an issue with that? Okay. So $2,000 Oh, number 69 fully funded for 2,000. Number 68 is portable bleachers. Uh they're asking for $18,000 for a $25,000 project to get portable bleachers that they'll use for not just the theater but other events as well. I suggested 125 on 70 which is park phase 2 125,000 but I did not recommend anything on the future 125 125 out of 400. Okay, hold on. He's getting ahead of me. We just gave Lewon 125. I put 200,000 at the at the Ridgeline Park. Yeah, I I think that's more in line. This is a bigger on the ridge line park, but I still had zero for the bleachers. It just seems like it's really I just I just I put the two together and it just seemed like they were using one thing to get another. You know, I think that if they want to Oh, yes. partial it out, that's their business. Yes, you're right. Sorry. Not list. We gave Would prefer if they put them all together. Yeah. Nibbli is like n 10 times the size. Much Yeah. Much larger community in Nibbi and we just gave Newton 123,000 for for their pickle ball court project. Yes. But Yes. But if you go back and look at prior years, they've not made prior years request. Same to they've not made prior years because money every year. And I'm I'm not I'm not arguing for the fullund four full 400,000 or proportion of the population because of that. Uh, but I do think 200,000 is pretty reasonable to be afforded for for the Richland Park for number 70. That's what you're saying. Okay. So, I'm I'm hearing half fund number 70 and number 68. Nothing or something. That's the council. It's fine. Okay. So, okay. So, no funding recommendation for the I I attend this part this play every year and I there is not seating nowhere to sit in I mean you have the amphitheater which is like a few spent blocks. This is something that could be taken multiple places. Heavens it could be lent to another community if they really wanted it. I see this as a very valuable thing that is not having it be portable makes it less expensive and more versatile. So I think that that is a a pretty for a community that has as many events as neighborly city has. I see this being very used. Can we start come back to it at the end? See where or even just say 9,000. I mean split it in half. I I I would be okay with 9,000 as well. Okay. We're going to do 9,000 for the bleachers, which is number 68. Going to make it. Uh we're going to do 2,000 for number 69, the Children's Theater, and we're going to do 200,000 for number 70, Ridgeline Park, Phase 2B, which brings us then to Morgan Farm. Is this a separate nonprofit that was formed? Numbers for the maintenance of the farm. Is is the farm? Well, then it's not publicly owned. The farm the farm is publicly owned, but the maintenance is like a nonprofit. It's It's kind of weird. It's kind of like American West Heritage Center. American West Heritage Center. The property is owned by the university, but there's a separate nonprofit that runs the operations there. My my reservation on this may be resolved by that was just depending on who holds the land, how can we guarantee in perpetuity access to whatever trails or amenities are are there? Um and and so for those who are more familiar with the the structure and setup uh and and ownership, is that something we should be considering? it it's all of the uh land structures owned by the city. That that's a game changer for and that's one of our requirements for wraps for capital projects. It has to be a public publicly owned for capital projects. So, uh they have a total budget of 40,000. They're asking for 25,000 for their footsteps through the fields initiative. They allow um a lot of 4 animals for people who don't have the land on their property to go and and be housed and fed there on the farm. Um as well as the garden for those the it has multi-use for the Morgan farm. I would say 40 So, I understood this was the link between Elhorn Park and the farm. Is that what they're that's what they were getting? Is Yeah. Think they were going to have different educational spaces and so they're doing uh it sounds like rest areas, wheelchair accessible pathways uh through the fields, gardens, and the animal enclosures. What is the preference of the board on this one? I didn't allocate anything. That's where I scored on that basis. uh understanding differently. I'm open to something but waiting for someone who might have seen something more to it than I did to to make such a recommendation if they have one. Yeah, I know they've been partnering with USU extension also to build some community gardens there. So, they're bringing in uh grants from different places. is about in the most center part of nibbly as you can get as far as accessibility to people. So I think the ADA portion is um always something I think we try to take into consideration to make sure that everyone can have access. Catherine, do you have an am I would say 10,000. Let's see what they can do with that. I mean, they still have raised other funds and they believe is putting money into the nonprof. I would support that. Okay. Yeah, I'm okay with that. I'm I'm okay with that as well to give it a Okay. So, 10,000 for Morgan Farm. Okay. That brings us to Nordic United number 72 and It's a request for $6,000 from restaurant funds. Yeah. Okay. They do a lot of work, right? See lots of head nods. $6,000 then will be the recommendation for Nordic United. And that brings us to North Logan City. And we have number 73, 74, 75, 76, 77. Okay. So, we have five uh applications here for Elkridge Park North Pavilion and Basketball Court, Elkridge North Bathroom, Elkridge North parking lot, Elkridge playground install, and Pumpkin Walk, which is also Elkridge Park. What was the first priority? The number 73 north pavilion and basketball court. Number 75 was number two. Number 74 number three. Number 76. We have representatives here from North Logan City if you want to ask questions about any of those. What proposals do we have from the board? As did I. Okay. Say that. Speak up for again if you'll say that once more. You're proposing full funding for number 73. I I I did that too on that one. For 7250. 74. You're proposing nothing. Correct. Bathroom. 75 100,000. 75 100,000 76 and 77 76 fully funk fully funded 7. Okay, let's let's check that one off real quick. Anybody have a problem with fully fun? So you're only giving a Yes. Yes. The pumpkin walk. Okay, so we could check that one off. That one's fully funded. 7500s to that. That's exactly right. I've never been. You have a personal invitation to my house and go. I know people that have and they talk about it and I'm I'm still and they all come back how wonderful it is and I'm happy that they're going. So, okay. So, now we're back to these other. So, we have fully fund the the BA the North Pavilion and basketball court. So let let's talk about that one. So the proposal is to fully fund number 73 and that was the top priority project of them. Okay, I'm in favor of that one. Okay, everybody's okay with Okay, so that one's checked off. Number 73 fully funded at 122,500. And then that leaves us with 74,75 and 76. So you're going to put this beautiful new pavilion and everything and have no bathroom over there. And I I was I would say that we would fully fund 74. Yeah. I mean, you can't together. They will come and then have no place for little kids to go potty. Was that your next priority? Number three. What do they say? They will come and then they've got to go. Oh, that was supposed to be two. Okay. Bathroom was supposed to be two. The bathroom is their next priority project. Okay. So, now we're left to the parking lot and the playground. So I I heard a proposal that if I understood that someone said fully fund the first one the the north pavilion and basketball and fully p fully fund the north parking lot. No the bathroom north bathroom. Fully fund the bathroom and not and then so the parking lot doesn't turn into the bathroom. So that's worth 200 that gets to about 200,000. any chance of doing a part well would a partial on the parking lot be helpful or are you guys in the point where you need how do you do partial everything well they make up the difference it would help that if you did a partial and then next year they could maybe fund the other partial to make up that difference 106,000 on the parking lot how we doing on money Elma we're doing we got a lot left see I guess it's good to be in the first part of the alphabet. Somebody needs to change their name. Put an A in front of it instead. A North Logan City. The A is silent. Could you Could you do 106 on the 70 on number 75 and maybe 75 on the last one? Go halfs right now to where we can they can start getting going. come around and finish it out next year or something. Well, when I add it all up, not not including the pumpkin walk, you're at $562,000 for everything. For everything. All four projects are just not going to be viable. Yeah. But if we could phase in the other two that are lower priority or banned one of them, fund one of them. Okay. So, Elma, what are we looking at moneywise? So, I haven't put in the last couple for North Logan. Um you have um awarded so far or suggested recommended Yeah, we have a lot. Can we put a star by the parking lot and see if that's a that's I said we put a placeholder amount though because otherwise that amount on the bottom I think will dwindle. So I say if we did aund you know 125,000 on that and came back to it that would be great on the parking lot. Yeah. And Okay. So what we're proposing is fully fund the north pavilion and basketball court. fully fund the bathroom. U the north parking lot number 75 you're saying and 25,000 and then playground zero. Is that what you're saying? Have to be next year and then come back and see if we can help do more funding on the parking lot. Okay. All right. And that and we're viewing that parking lot as something we'll maybe circle back to. Yeah. on how the money total. Yeah. So, what does that add up to? 300,000. 325. Oh, 332. 333. Yeah. About about 333. Take the pump. 333. Okay. Uh let's move then based on those recommendations to number 78, Paradise Town. Was that the pickle ball lights for the pickle ball courts? I think we funded the courts last year. What money and then put Every time I come home at night, those lights up there a couple times getting highlights where shining down. They're only about half the size they should be. They got to replace them. Put in additional much more enjoyable. You hit the ball partway through it disappears. We need to sell more fish. I got turned away last year at the Tom Berry Day dinner. So, they're asking for 55,000 for their $90,000 project for 60%. I I'll fully fund that. Good. Okay. Any other thoughts? All right. That one's fully funded for Paradise Town. Uh, next is number 79, pause wellness. So, I personally have uh think that this is a good cause, but I'm having a hard time seeing where it fits in with the funding of purpose. Where where did they get their money in previous years is what I was wondering. So, there there's some amount of admission I think for going to this. I' I've had friends and family members who have attended and just raved about the experience that they had being there, but I agree with Katherine that I I don't see the the potential for anyone who's holding any sort of conference or convention to seek support from RAPs. Yeah. Um if if this falls in bounds um feels I at this rate if um if what was the space dynamics lab small SAT conference had applied for funding they would have received that even though people are already happy to pay full full price to attend. great cause of a million reasons we should be grateful that they're here. And if there are other ways that communities can support the organization and the conference, I think they should. I'm just not sure I see the RAP's connection. Yeah, I don't either. It's kind of a limited audience. I mean, not totally limited, but not like a big event like the pumpkin walk. They will not draw they they do draw good attendance, but they will not draw the attendance of the pumpkin walk. Yeah. or other things. Okay. I I put it at zero. I just didn't see it. Okay. Anybody have any other thoughts? It was funded last year with some temporary money, not through wraps. Well, actually, it did come from wraps. No, it came from ARPA. ARPA or ARPA. Came from ARPA. It was temporarily done that with a promise that was made previous by a different entity or by a different department. And it I'm with you. It has I have a hard time trying to get this to so I'm with you on that. Okay. That brings us then to number 80, Providence City. Um asking for 200,000 out of a 561 budget. Yeah. Again, they're funding a lot. They're funding a large portion of it out of their own funds. So, I fully funded this. Yes. Okay. I see. If you had not restrooms, playground, and pickle ball courts. Yeah. I made some phone calls to people that I know that live in that area and they said, "We've got ball shorts all over." There are. I know. Fastest point. I I funded it enough. 125,000 because they're also installing playground equipment. Said that's what we need. So I funded $125,000. Does that include the bathroom, too? You guys just don't remember what it's like having little kids. And when they got to go, they got to go. You guys can't expect them to go half mile to go potty. That's a good point. Keep harping on that. I have grandkids. I've been dragging them. Yeah, it's very okay. So, I heard some full funding. I am hearing 125 125,000 funding. 125. Will that cover the bathroom? Only if it covers the bathroom. How about a bathroom kick today? And Providence can make sure that they prioritize the bathroom and and we'll hope that when they're making the decision, they've recently drunk a lot of water or something. Okay. So, what so what what's the preference then of the board? 125 25 125. Okay. 125 for Providence City. That brings us to Richmond City. Yeah. That is uh that's their age. You know, the senior citizen center. They are one of those cities that have stepped up and says, "Hey, we're going to provide for our age." They're doing it on their own. They're going after it. I've heard it's bursting at the scene figuring that everyone else is going to take care of it. They're and it's it's really they've done well. They've done really well and they get a great turnout. Yeah, I agree. It's a great program. They got commercial mobilized a lot of volunteers and different resources to put it together. I have it fully funded. Yes, I do too. Okay. Any other thoughts? We going to we going to balance? We won't look at that yet. Okay. Just go through them. So that if we fully fund get through the TE's, we're fully funding Richmond. That brings us to number 82, River Heights. I these guys didn't they were asking for full I want an explanation on this one. River Heights just came in and got more money from us in the interim. That's what I'm I'm confused. No, they didn't get more money. They re reallocated. They had it. They had the project, but they wanted to change it and fund the project that they'd already finished. Now they're coming back to do the original project. They did one because it was falling down, remember? Yeah. They had to the one by Ryan, right? And that's what they then took that money and used it for that. Then now they're coming back. Now they want to rebuild the other one. So So I'm going, okay. I had a hard time. I had a real hard time, too. I did. And it's 100%. I don't like to see. I don't either. I' I'd have them at about 60. Yeah, that seems I wasn't even going to 60. That sounds good. Okay. I see lots of head nods for 60. So, River Heights is at $60,000. That brings us to number 83 for Smithfield City. This is their finished work for their museum, isn't it? City has three of them. Well, okay. 83. Yeah. Actually, Smithfield is number 83 museum. Number 84, softball complex number 85, Smithfield City Youth Theater. I approved that one 100%. Yeah. So, the youth theater is 3500. Everybody okay with that? Okay. So, that's been really good and consistent. Number 85 is 3500 fully funded. So, that brings us to the museum and the softball complex. 50,000 and 275,000 to this museum. I don't not think 50% for 100% on the museum. That should take care of this. This should be the last space I believe. It should be the last. It's the finished work, isn't it? Yeah. The 50,000. Yeah. So, I suggest that 100% go through phases. And what about softball? So, what? Wait a minute. Is a sprinkler system. What are we talking about? Which one are we on? 84. Yeah. 84 is the softball complex, irrigation system, and field improvements. $275,000 request, $566,000 budget. It is a pretty large city. One of the fastest growing expanding zone. Yeah, it's the second largest city in our county. It was the fastest growing city in our county in the last census. Um, and the plus the 50 the museum and 225 I had fully funed. I had 250 though myself on the softball fields but 2,000 and I think I heard 200 225 250. Okay. 225 225 25 Okay. 225 on the softball, 50,000 on the museum, 3500 on the children's theater. Okay. Sorry. On this cell phone. Okay. So, that brings us then to Stokes, which next year you might want to put it in as Allen Stokes. It'll be a first up. First up. Allan and Alice, then Stokes, you'd be our first one. First off the list. So, it's a request for 35,000. Yeah. Okay. Are you okay with that? So, we have recommendation for full funding for the Stokes. Yeah. Alice Allen and Alice Stokes Nature Center. Okay, that brings us then to number 87, Summerfest Arts Fair. Yeah. Talk about it's been like now that it's at the What's that? Is it back here? No. Fairgrounds. At the fairgrounds and they want to stay there. They love it. They love it down there. They love it there. I think the attendance is still about as normal as maybe a little less than it was here. Yeah. I don't know. It's packed. Every time I've been, it's been packed. They love it there. Everybody loves it over there. almost say it's fairly equal to county fair aside from the they're only asking for $2,000 more because of the waste pickup. So, I figured that was okay. Full funding. All right. Full funding of $22,000 for Summerfest Arts Fair. Yeah. That brings us to Trenton City bathrooms. We follow trending we've done at other places, it' be more like 60,000. I had 62,000 myself. Yeah. 52. 62. Okay. 62. Everybody okay with that? Yep. 62,000 for Trenton Town. That brings us to Unicorn Theater number 89. They're asking for a little bit more than they have in the past. I have them at 12,000 for this request with their their increased task. 12,000. Yes. 12,000. Anybody have another idea? Okay. $12,000 is then for Unicorn Unicorn Theater. That brings us to number 90 and 91, Utah Festival Opera and Musical Theater. And we have a request for uh operations for 365,000 430,000 and 65,000 for marketing. Um this brings up that same marketing question we had on the other ones. Yeah, we'd like to see that in just in one application. Yeah. The one thing that I I wonder about and and David mentioned something about this earlier because there's um out of area marketing could fall under restaurant but maybe not under wraps. And so the ability well it if it weren't for that factor my preference would be just put it all in one application and let's do it. But um but it may give us this board some financial flexibility if it is split across funds although I guess we could split the amount of funding within um within one applicant and partially fund from one to the other. Yeah. Okay. So how much how much restaurant money is left? How much restaurant how much restaurant money is left? Um because this is the last one on the list that's purely restaurant. Okay. Zero spit it all. So, restaurant remaining is um 585,6 Oh, wow. Okay. So, okay. Um based on that, maybe we should go revisit some of our other ones. Well, are some of these have both? Are there some that are in both that we could shift? Yeah. Yeah, that's true. We just leave that to Emma figures out the balance. Yeah. Well, if there's I'm just saying if there's leftover that can only be spent on restaurant stuff. That would be important. We have some restaurant only applications that we didn't fund or we only partially funded. and there's with I I I appreciate the shift that's happening here and some of the things they're trying to do. Um, and you know, they it's been great for our summer visitor attraction to have the opera doing uh quite a quite a few programs over the course of the summer. And I I do think it's probably with us putting something towards out of area advertising to get people thinking about coming to Logan in the fall instead of in the summer or in the spring instead of in the summer. Winter's a bit of an uphill climb for us uh in in our climate unless they're coming to ski. But um you have a bit of a reputation. Yeah, it it is more of a reputational problem than an actual problem. There's as much snow in Brigham City in January as there's um but but I I think it's a heavier lift for us to get tourism to Cash Valley unless it's around winter sports. Uh but but as as part of them messaging and trying to reach out to people who might have come up uh in the summertime that it's worth taking a weekend drive up to Logan in the uh in in the fall or in the spring. Some amount of funding for that I'm willing to support. I don't know that the amount that's listed here is I I I don't think I would support full funding for that one, especially the score is a little on the low side for um for the the marketing one. I appreciate the shift that they're doing. I had a few conversations about their focus is changing and that they have to approach this as you know not business as usual since that um model hasn't proved to to work um post pandemic. So I do appreciate that and I think that they're looking for long longevity what's going to work for the longest amount of time. Um, so I think I'm satisfied with some of the questions that I had. Um, and feel like that they've adopted a better model. And so I don't know how we resolve the marketing and that that question between the the advertising and the and the operating, but I feel like I would am willing to fund them for their full request on this and and maybe tell them to do their advertising from their operating budget. So, okay, Katherine, are you proposing fully fund the 365 but not the 65? Is that what you just said? Yeah. Again, we keep that as part of just their operating budget. Okay. Yeah. I actually like that people submit a different application for any real accountability for it for the marketing. Yeah. It's hard to know what the what the return on that investment is directly. Um, but I I like I actually like having separate applications for those because it could be funded purely out of restaurant tax dollars, which is exactly what restaurant tax dollars should be used for to get people up here. Um, so I like that concept of it. Um, and so, uh, your proposal though is to only fund the 365 and not the 65 or 365. I mean, it's all going to be in one budget ultimately. I really think that's what I did. Yeah, that's true. I can't support them. But I could do the full But I think my direction to them would say we're going to support you in your operations with the 365 and and not that's how I'm going to say my direction is is with what we're I want to fund is a 365 they're operating nothing for the advertising. So you could just as well say 300 for operating and 65 for advertising or but you want to give them the flexibility to mingle across however they see as the optimal balance as they're approaching this new era of the representative here. Okay. Um if there are any questions about that. I just had some concerns that maybe the types of shows that you're proposing for this year may not bring in as many tourists. I know you've got a couple of children's productions that you're giving a lot of free tickets and stuff away to. I just I don't know how do you see that happening for this summer. Do you mind coming up to the microphone, please? Introduce yourself. Yeah, if you'll just state your name and your uh role. Sure. My name is Cassandra Kulam and I have been with the company for 19 years as the company manager. I hire the people that work for us during the summer and manage them. And I'm working on an interim basis to step in since our controller left. So I'm also functioning currently as the controller. Have been since December. So and the question was about I'm just I had some concerns about the types of shows that you're proposing for this next year. I just didn't feel like it might draw in as many of the kinds of audience members as you have in the past. I know she had a couple of children's shows in there like The Cat and the Hat and whatever the other one was. Yeah, I think the hope is to eventually get back to full programming where we have that many shows during the summer in addition to beefing up the educational opportunities we have, but we are going to take that a little slow. We we're working hard to overcome our financial challenges since that we've had since COVID. And we've done that in a pretty big way. We're selling off apartments and um getting rid of our current debt and and using the money of from the sale of that to also also start an endowment. But that it will take us I think a bit to get back to full programming like maybe we're used to. So, it does look like Vanessa's proposal includes Laymiz student edition this summer in July, which will bring in where two casts, all these kids from all over the state, and all of their parents and grandparents and everyone coming from outside of the valley for the most part will come in. And then we're going to be doing a concert in conjunction with CAPSA in October to help bring in people as well for um domestic abuse uh awareness month as well. And then there will be, like I said, several of those educational opportunities where we're bringing in, for example, this May 4,000 Cash Valley, Boxelder, uh, Bear River students for free to see them, plus open to the public. And then proposed for next summer would be Pirates of Penzance in 1776 for the 250 years since uh, the 7 since the declaration was signed. And so we are we're doing two full productions next summer that are maybe a little more used to to what you're seeing, but I think it will take a few years to build back up. And I do absolutely think we will get back there, but we're trying to do it in in the most reasonable way with finances in mind and the health of the company as well for longevity. Okay, Vanessa sends her apologies. She she's at the Kennedy Center right now for KCACTF. So, you get me instead. Okay. Thank you. Uh, any other questions? Um, do you anticipate being able to eliminate all your debt with the sale of the apartment? Yes. We will wipe out that debt completely and then the remainder of it will be put into they've been having meetings kind of lately to determine the endowment and how long it should last us and and how much could be drawn yearly as needed. But yes, they're establishing an endowment with the money after all debt has been paid. Do you how much do you anticipate there will be left over after the liquidation of the uh approximately $4 million the last I heard. I could be a little wrong on that. Vanessa would have a better number than I would. Okay. Uh so we have a proposal to fund uh the first one number 90 uh fully and to not fund number 91. Any other thoughts or proposals? I recommend 25,000 on the program or on the market. Okay. 25,000. So I'll support that. I'll do that. Okay. So, it looks like everybody's okay with the 25,000 on the second one and then we had a recommendation for fully funding on their first one. I I can't do that. I won't support that one because I think that we're just we have sunk so much money. So much money and I'm just seeing and uh we're and we're still been going downhill it seems like. And so I you know I would go about 150 and and let him start building myself. So that's just me though. I'm not I I've been kind of uh I I'm I'm concerned that we've been sinking a lot of money and we have gotten some return, but I I'm seeing other companies that are really, you know, getting excited and getting going and everything. I I those companies have been proven to do a lot with less. This is a little different. It is. And I think that the summer citizens from the conversations I've had with the people that went down there to recruit them are coming back to give us a one more summer and then I think that opera has to be back at full presentation with the level presentations in 2026 or I think we will lose 90% of our summer visitors. I think the caliber of the talent that they expect is is such a level that we need to make a little bit more investment in that. Yeah. I I would second that because this is u as I think about economic development for our community, I feel like this should be the county's number one economic development goal right now is to make sure that the opera continues to be strong because it is a domino effect. There there is so much that exists in our arts economy because of this organization uh such as the summer citizens and uh and those things result in millions of dollars in investments back into our community with tax dollars with visitors with all of the things the summer citizens spend here. If if we don't keep this going then we don't have the summer citizens. If we don't have the summer citizens then we're We're taking a huge hit to our economy in the summertime. We've we're already taken a big hit with the satellite conference leaving. Uh we we have uh I think kind of a tenure situation here. So I think it's critical at this time that we support the Utah Festival Opera and and I think even the the 65,000 I think we should visit that. Uh, I know the recommendation is 25 right now, but if we end up with with more restaurant money, I think we should throw some more at that. Yes, I agree with what you're saying. I can see that happening. I I do hope that maybe next year that they would get back to a full programming. Um, I'm not sure what would prevent that other than money. Um, but yeah, it's it's an important thing. And back to our other guideline we were looking at. They run almost a two-month um shows like we were talking about soccer the soccer event that was just three days. That's great. Um but this is a very a very big thing for the community. Um I do wonder how much we're losing out to um uh musicals, operas in Salt Lake. I don't know if we're getting the draw that we were getting out of there, but um but it is an important draw to the valley. I I do think that is important to fund as much as we can and maybe that's maybe we should put the advertising closer to what were we saying 25 25 let's get to the end I think and see where we are. Okay. So let's do that. So funding for this. One thing that worries me a little bit I think the direction has changed because Vanessa Bon has gotten involved but worries me. I don't know if you noticed on the email. Yeah, she signed it as the associate director and not the director. And I think one of our difficulties in the past been with the director and for all that he has added, he's also been part of the problem that they're in the financial situation they in. And I want to support her in her effort as she has a new assignment up at the university. But I want to support her and I think show giving her this to work with will be a demonstration of that support. But I'd hope that was more of the director and not the associate director. I I met with them and they both told me that she was becoming the director. Um I don't know what the timing is on that but that's what they told me. So I think it's happening soon. Yeah. I think it's underway. Okay. So, uh, so that's 365 and 25 for our proposals or recommendations for that. Something else you might want to think of, the Lyric Theater also this summer is going to be back up at the university and not at the Lyric Theater. So, it's lost another downtown venue that kind of need to bring some people down to where they're used to being. Some citizens might find it a little a lot different. No opera, no lyric. I think it's going to be a tough summer. Yeah, definitely. So, I would I would fund them more than 25,000, but So, the original the operating request, are you full? No, I'm I'm okay. I was just talking about 91. Okay. Yeah, I think we should revisit that. Let's come back to that and see what we have in restaurant money. Uh, so speaking of Utah State University, that's what we're on. is the Utah State University Norah Eckles Harrison Museum of Art support for panel discussion and lower of the West. $7,500 request. I said no. The past four years, five years. No, but those are for exhibits. This is for a panel discussion. Yeah, I agree. For a one time thing. Yeah. One time one time. Yeah. Well, I don't know how many people it would reach. Okay. Any other thoughts? No. Okay. Seeing none, we'll move to the next Utah State University Lyric Reparatory Company. Okay. So, we're on the Lyric uh request. 25,000 out of their $437,000 budget. That's not for this season. This is for next summer. 2026 season when they reopen. Yes. This one at 10,000. I have 10,000. So, who are they thoughts? I'm I'm confused. So, they're not doing any They're not asking for this season. This request says it's for the 2026 season for next summer. No. Is it because you're up to hire people? The shows will be downtown then. There will be some downtown shows. Wendy can probably answer what shows will be downtown this summer. Um, my husband Dennis is the associate artistic director, so I can say they're going under construction to rebuild the stage house in the downtown lyric because they haven't been able to fly out and it's not seismically reinforced for the actors. Audience, fine. Actors, not so much. So, they'll be um completely redoing the backstage and hoping to be open in 2026 for next season. There will be a full slate of four shows this summer up at the university in the um Morgan Theater and in the blackbox, but their season begins in May. So, they wrote last year for this summer's funding and this year for next summer's funding. Thank you. Okay. So, I heard a couple of $10,000 numbers thrown out there. Any other thoughts? Speaking of the funding, I I think 20 is more. It's always been such a good um you know thing for for Logan City. I do prefer being downtown than Utah State, but this is for next year when it will be downtown. And it's a very small percentage of their overall budget. They're providing most of they're only asking us for a very small percentage. They fully fund it. Oh, I said 15. Yeah, they were saying 15. I'd say 20, but 25 is good. So for 10, 15, 20, and 25 like 20 like Okay, let's go with 20 then on that. And that brings us to Valley Dance Ensemble number 94. They're asking for $5,000, which is uh I recommended that. Yes, I recommended full amount. Okay, it looks like we're at full of $5,000 for Valley Dance Ensemble, which brings us to numbers 95 and 96, which is also city. We denied one of them, but then they came back. Yeah, we denied the tennis courts. Now the tennis courts are back. Well, and I thought weed the walking path, but Well, I thought we said we didn't want to fund the walking paths because it was sidewalk and we didn't want to do sidewalk. We thought that was and we gave them this feedback and they came back. That's what I thought was a little frustrating. We want to fund their projects and we gave them this feedback and it feels like they came back with just the same applications that they brought us last year. So, what's the proposal? Give us some money for tennis courts and not for walking paths. Yeah, I've got them at 50 for tennis courts. 50 and zero for walking paths, but if you guys want to do more. Yeah, I'm not sure if 50 allow it to happen at all. That is why I worry about that much. But I think last year was just because they didn't have any they didn't have any input into the mount for the tennis courts. Yeah, that said pickle ball courts. You guys, maybe they're out of touch. Maybe it should. Who builds tennis courts these days? I think we're getting a shortage of tennis court, so we're converting them all over turning into pickle ball. Their application describes that they program to them and that they make use of them. Uh that that they're they're used if if and and I'm I'm going to take that at face value. Um, so, so I I agree that I'm watching pickle ball go crazy and tennis maybe not as much, although I I I like tennis. Uh, but but I I I don't want to, my opinion is for myself on this board, I don't want to steer cities towards what kind of recreation I think they should do. I want cities to choose and invite us to evaluate the project for funding. But, um, Uh uh the the the walking paths one was not a good application for me. Um and and I I'm I'm not enthusiastic about funding there. I have no issue with partial funding of the tennis courts. And I do like that they do have a bid because I think that was one of our complaints last year. They didn't they didn't provide us with a bid and they do have a bid for us this year with pretty uh pretty detailed. But I I could see more of a 105 um half of it to get the project going um if that's enough to make it happen. Um, I think it's worth it to do. Well, it's a safety issue, too, because they're trying to They can't even use them, they said, because they're so bad. Isn't that the one that said they couldn't use them? Yeah. They're cracked, uneven concrete, and Yeah, it's really difficult and it's a liability for them. Cracks. Last year we approved,000 basketball for them. I don't remember and they have not yet started it. Nolan came in in council and proposed a a different amount than what was last year than what we approved as a body. And I'm trying to separate out the two in my mind now. I can't remember either because I Yeah, it it happened and I can't remember which is which. But Nolan, we did approve I don't think the body approved anything and then as a council we did approve some. Um I know they wanted to give him something and But if they haven't they haven't used those funds yet. I can't remember what it was. I think it was the basketball courts. I think I think in their application it says for 2024 the basketball courts 100,000 was granted and it not yet started. Tennis courts we granted 10,000 not yet started. Completed 25 like to see that they're that's so using they've got 100,000 they've not even started yet the last year. Yeah, that bothers me a little bit. Well, and also they have funds as a city too because they have their impact fees. So, I mean they they've got money. Okay. What's a proposal? What do we want to do? I didn't get any either. Well, no one will come back. Although again, I've got them at 50 for the tennis courts. Um and and if they wanted to bring the 10,000 we allocated for that last year to chip in and move that up or if they can come in under on basketball, they can move that over. If if if people want to go more than that or less than that, that's that's okay. But remind me again, what's the time frame that they have to complete project? They do have two. They do have two years. Okay. They got to get on those 75,000 on tennis courts and give them see if they can get that thing together. Again, money does not go to them until they, you know, until they send us the invoices and everything that incomplete. I'm okay at 75. 75 is fine. I'm okay. Okay. So, we've got 75 for tennis courts, nothing for walking paths. All right. And that brings us to Zut. Actually, let's do this a little bit out of order. Let's save Zutah for last because I don't know why number 98 is at the very end and not under seed. So, the reason that that was moved to the end is there was a possibility that it might have been withdrawn, but it wasn't. And so, I moved it to the end so that it wouldn't mess up the order of of everything. But, it is out of order. I apologize for that, but okay. So, let's look at that and then we'll go to the Zut one last is here from development services. She can speak to this funded the first phase. How much was that? 35,000. I agree. I think it was 58. Are we doing Zoo or we do we're doing cash8 number 98 and then we'll come back to zoo talk to yeah uh Angie is that her quest development services uh so yeah last year there was a wraps application submitted for I forget the exact maybe 200 250 uh but it was ultimately awarded 75,000 then we sent out the request for proposals and it was broken down into phase one phase two so the cost for phase one was $58,000 from the consultant that we chose. Uh so this would just be that additional funding to cover phase two um including the extra from the initial 75,000 would be put towards that. So Angie, will you um tell us what phase one purpose is and what phase two purposes so we can kind of Yeah, phase one is more of the outreach and determining what the community is looking for and what they would support. And then based off of that, phase two would be more of the details of, you know, where what one or more recreation facilities would be located uh to how that could be operated um and managed um as part of a service district or with a city or different kinds of things. But that would give you the actual uh nuts and bolts and financing costs of operating that versus the phase one which is kind of just the initial outreach to see one if it's supported and two what kind of programming and everything that people would want. So thank you. Yeah, as I see this phase one is just seeing the wish list of all the goodies that people want. So I don't see that as being very useful without having phase two which is what is the actual cost of of and where does this make the most sense and how to apply it. Your original request a year ago was 200 and how much um sorry I didn't personally submit it but I think it was I'll air on the side caution and say it was 250,000 which it was did that include anything that these two do not include? Um that was the estimated cost for the full phase one and phase two for the project. But then after we sent out the RFP and got actual numbers back from consultants, that's where it came down. 75 last year. Yes, I believe so. So much less than the original, right? Yeah. And I think that speaks to only 58 58. So sometimes put the cart before the horse on a lot of these things, you know, we just see this great big number and we react to it rather than let's find out really what it cost and what we're after and need a lot less. So what does what specifically then would this uh proposal cover? Are we getting to a point where we're talking about building massing and um square footage of spaces required um and cost estimates? Uh is is that what we would be buying with this second portion? Yes, it would be providing options and um determining the best preferred alternative or option for a wreck facility. But yes, it would give you all of those details, financial impacts, etc. Even if it to get the information that that's needed, it it needs to be it'll then be blown by Exactly. Yeah. It's it's nothing definitive, nothing that holds us to anything. It would just give us that information. This is so much of a question that you'd have to answer, but but um it is either all or none. So let's say if some communities say I'm not interested, it it has to have everyone, right? To be countywide system. Yes. Um there is um actually a concurrent study going on with Nibi that's kind of expanded into the south county. Uh it's the same consultant. So um they're working on it, but um yeah, so they're exploring the whole countywide system at this point. But you're saying they're also exploring potential just a few communities doing their own thing. Uh well, Nibbi had originally done their own RFP just as a city, but then it's expanded to some of the other cities to do a full survey. Would these be interlocal agreements then between the cities? I think that's part of phase two would explore different um management operating and financing always have escape clauses so to speak they could always pull out some bad experiences. Think about the ice arena the fairgrounds the countywide garbage service the rec center for Logan City that are going to pull out. I mean if you give them an escape a lot of times they've taken it and left the other entities holding the bag. I have a real concern with that with this community supposedly this great idea that if you give the them an escape clause and they take it then at least everybody else the cost of it. So you need to run for mayor of Logan listed all the things that well I'm just saying that you know if you if we give them an escape and they take it then that leaves everybody else holding paying the bill. Well, and I think it would also show, yeah, if that happened, then it's not feasible to have a recreation facility at all. It may be feasible at the beginning, but yeah, that that's really good input for this study. I have that same concern for those same reasons that whatever structure we come up with should be something that is stable. Yes. You're all in. Yeah. So, the question for this this body though is uh they have a request for $70,000 to finish this study that we've uh funded the first half of so far. Well, I'm I'm fine with Yeah, you can tell. Okay, we have I see three nods, four, five. Okay, so we have one. Okay, so we've got a couple nays. Uh but the rest like we have a majority saying fully fund that one. That brings us then to Zootop. Actually, I just want to say one thing. Elma was not responsible for putting me all the way at the end. I did request that. So, it was requested in and so I won't let him take all the blame. We've realized that alphabetical order is important for this. Um, okay. So, that brings us then to Zut. Uh, what do we have left of wraps? Okay. Oh, goodness. Nothing. We're over. So restaurant there's 415, really 662 left. sorry that's that is restaurant. So overall we have 50 the total funds available balance is 82,771 that doesn't take into account because the the uh the 10% or up to 10% for zoo has already been taken out of that oh it has so did you bring over our fund balance into the amount available. Okay. Say that again, Elma. Sorry. You you've already in your calculation, we've already taken out the amount up to the 10% you're already showing 279,000 going to Zut and then we still have 80,000 in wraps left over. Correct. Okay. So, so you're saying we have enough to fully fund their up to 10% allocation at 279,000 and we'd have 80,000 left over. Correct. And 400,000 in restaurants left over. Um, let me let me get my screen a little smaller. I need it bigger. Sorry. I know you need it bigger, but I need it smaller. You need to be able to see your columns. Okay. So, and because we will determine which buckets of money that they come out of wraps or restaurant. So, in restaurant right now there's 415,662 but we're under or we've overspent in wraps. But the ultimate their balance is 82,771 with both with both both reps. And that's pretty dang close and that's already taking out the 27424 for zoo for the zoo. 274 274,000. Okay. So knowing that, how much do you guys want to do for the zoo? I'm concerned about going tax return. They're showing for their last fiscal year that they went in the whole 310 and there's no their fund balance went down five and a half $548,237,000 and contributions and grants that year. The prior year they were 272 and for the current year they're reporting 56 down $225,000. Um I'd like to have some more information on this, but I worry about the zoo disappearing based on what they presented to us. Yeah, I was confused. Okay, then where where have they lost? Yeah. Where where where are the tightening features if there are or can they not cannot sustain labor? I can't tell that information. Yeah, that's what I was confused. I was worried that I I I have pause given that and we've had some discussions about the zoo and and in in the past. Um I I don't think that the zoo I I I I like the emphasis on the up to 10%. In this context, I I feel like I would still be willing to put the um put the 10% figure in for the zoo in this go around because of the significance of what they do. Um but I I don't know if this board has a way or or if perhaps the the county council has a way some oversight to be able to say, "Guys, you got to you got to sharpen your pencils and get this sorted out." The Okay. I can I clarify something first? I'm I'm reading the law right now. This is what the wraps law says. Wraps zoolological facilities. Number one, allocate 10% after administrative costs to the zoo based on acceptable proposals submitted each year. The percentage will be reviewed each year. If less than 10%, additional funds may be allocated to parks and recreation. So, it's not very well written. Um, but it doesn't say anywhere up to 10%, although it's implied that it could be less than it than that. The first thing it says is allocate 10%. Um, I know we've had this discussion before um and we've interpreted it as up to 10%. I just want everyone to be clear what it actually says in the law that was voted on by the voters. So, um, with that being said, continue. Go ahead. You look I was where I was citing from before was their tax return, their 990. If you look at their budget right now, it's pretty pretty much a zerobased budget. They budgeted 5,000 more in income. That budget includes $450,000 wraps. So they're saying that they got to have 450 just to break even based on what they budgeted for the coming year and that worries me. Uh what's the recommendation of the body? Uh your recommendation Damon is the 10% the 10% amount and that that number is after administrative costs Elma that number is after administrative cost and that was what was it 240 274,000 274 274 is the full 10%. And that's what I that's what I recommend. I I don't I don't want to go more than 10% towards Okay. So, we have uh two board members saying 10%. I see three. No more. I see four or five. Okay. So, that's 274,000. 24 correct as a recommendation. And then uh I think questions about them continuing as a viable organization are good questions for the council to ask them perhaps to invite them to have that discussion. Okay. But as far as this body is concerned, that is our recommendation. Okay. So with that being said, and I I'm sorry I did make a mistake. That amount wasn't taken out. And so now you've overspent. But I do want to go back through and just clarify and make sure that I am recording the correct amount of all of the applications. So if we could go back through them just to make sure and then we can look and see where our bottom line is. I didn't write them down. Who wrote them down? I did. You want to take So we'll start at at number one at 13,000. It's 13,040. You'll have to go a little bit slower. Slower. Go slower so everybody can agree. I can get around on the the spreadsheet. So number two, number two, 40,000. 40,000. Three 125,000. Okay. 4 515. Just a second. 515. Okay. 51 125 125,000 6 1,000 1,000 7 12,000 Okay. 8 4,000. Okay. 9 5,850. Just a second. 5,850. Okay. 10 20,500 12 120 No, excuse me. 10,000 10,000 10,000 13 is 58,50 175 345 60 60 cents I'm going Round that up to Okay. 346 175 and 346 18 40,000 Okay. 19 40,000. Okay. 20 151,000 21 9,000 22 100,000 23 150,000 24 15,000 25 20 I scribbled it I think00 20,000 20,000 26 is60,000 27 is zero. 28. Just a second. 27 is zero. Okay. 28 25,000 29 18,000 30 is 40. 40,000. 31 5,000 32 4,000 33 1,000 340 34 I have 15,000,000 35 thou 35 is 35,000 36 is 5,000 37 is 4,000. 38 33,000 9002 39 45,000 40 80,000 41 to 0 42 10,000 43 4500 44 200,000 45 200,000 46 20,000 47 46 20,000 Got to find it. 46 46 20,000 20,000 I have 26. So Change that to 20,000. 47 is zero. 48. 47. Just a second. I'm sorry. Have to find it on the spreadsheet. You took it. It didn't qualify. Yeah. 47. Yeah. 48 48 is uh 56,000 48 is 56,000 correct 49 57,000 49 is 57,000 6 52 275,000 83,758 54 53,915 55 45,000 56 90,000 57 10,000 58 20,000 59 5,000 60 The airport you wanted to come back to, but it's a zero. 61 40 62 0 63 582 64 2500 65 0 66 80,000 67 40 123,859 90. I'm going to round it up to 860. Uh 68 uh 9,000 69 2,000 70 200,000 71 10,000 Just a second. 72 10,000 Yes. 72 72 5 6,000 73 122,500 74 78 250 75 125,000 76 0 77 500 78 55,000 79 0 80 125,000 81 146,000 82 60,000 83 50,000 225,000 85 3500 86 35,000 87 22,000 Second 87 22,000 22,000 Okay. 88 62,000 89 12,000 90 365,000 91 25,000 92 0 93 20,000 94 5,000 95 75,000 96 0 97 274,000 $24 and 987 70,000. In the past, we've always left a pretty good chunk to the county to allocate and this year we really have. And we used up last year's res and we used up last year's carryover. Greg, I'd recommend that we go back spending 15 minutes going back and looking at some that we would take money away from to leave more in a pot for the county to allocate so that they don't have to decide to take away from over 200. You're over 22,23. Okay. How much of you have Uh, that's a good question. We had 400,000. It used to add up this year. So, we've used 600,000 more than we had in if we don't send any kind of a pot back, then we as a council have to take you want to do that or do you want us to recommend some cutting some and then give you a Well, we I think we need to recommend a balance. We can't recommend to the council spending more money than that minimum. So, at a minimum, we need to cut 200,000 from where we are right now. So, let's do that first. Okay? And we can decide how much deeper to go. But I do like the idea of going deeper than that. So, considering that we need to cut 200,000 from what we have, uh, goodness gracious, we want to start at the beginning again, go through balance. I think all of us have some that we saw, we had written down. Some we can discuss those. We could go back and review some of the ones we started. All the ones I wrote down were ones we were going to go back and give more money to. Yeah, me too. Is it gonna happen? We had all those extra I wrote down that we said we go back and take away number 18 and 19 feasibility studies $40,000 fee. Is that really what they got? Have we got a bid? I don't think we've got a bid yet. If you want to ask these are the trails trails. Yeah. Is this another one of those things that it'll be almost this and then it'll be a long list. I hope um Angie is that development services. Um I don't believe they've gotten bids yet, but this is based on the cost of previous feasibility studies. They've done quite a few. So I think this is a a good estimate on those. Yeah, I guess that's what I started looking because we had some of those others, you know, came in, right? Wanted 200,000 was only 53 and 70 I guess out of one. Well, and those ones being internal funds, they're given back into the they're putting back into the pot if it's more or excuse me, less than. And that happens with any of the entities because they have to submit receipts or invoices and if they're come under budget of what they're awarded that returned, okay, for the next year. Is that how this request basically got there? just and I know we always spend the full amount but sometimes some comes back sometimes project doesn't happen not very often doesn't happen or comes in under budget or doesn't get allocated I mean what would it be if we went to all of the municipalities and cut them by 10%. I mean, that would probably get us where we need to be. That would probably be the easiest way. And they have ways to come up with the funds themselves if we went to each of those because I think that would be probably the most fair way of scaling it. I like that approach. So, uh, should we just go through in an alphabetical order all the cities and consider that on each one because some of them uh, Amalga Town That means most equable way. That means we're cutting 1,300 bucks from them. Well, and maybe some of them we don't. Maybe Amalgo we don't, but maybe some of these other ones. The way I look at Logan City pretty much requested the same thing. And so you cut 10%, you're cutting them back. But like North Logan year ago about 145 and this year they're $300,000. And so they cut 10% from Logan, but that's the same amount they've received for the last four or five years. Whereas North Logan has doubled their request and you cut 10% for them and they're still way ahead of where they were a year ago. Well, also to counter that, Logan is getting $8 million to fund some of theirs when we don't the other municipalities don't have their sidewalk, their underpass, the trail underpass. I mean, they're getting they have lots of additional funds that not a lot of the municipalities have access to either. I'd like your approach. Let's let's go through let's go through all the cities and towns alphabetically and let's look at each one individually if we want to apply that standard. The first one would be number one Amalga town. Do we want to leave them at the 13,000 or do we want to chip away? We can leave it. That's not Let's leave that one. So then the next city or town on here is at the bottom of that first page number 38 32,92 that's so we cut $4,000 or yeah 4,000 from them. You want to just give them 30 round it to 30? Yeah sure. Okay, let's round that one to 30. Number 38 is 30,000. 30,000. Okay, and that brings us to the very next one. 39 is Cornish and uh they asked for 60. We proposed 45 for them. Want to adjust that down to 40,000 or at all? 40. Yeah. Okay. So, make that let's make that 40,000. That brings us to Hyde Park. Uh we were proposing 200,000 for them. 180 180. Okay. Um then Hyram, we're also proposing 200. Drop that one to 180 also. Okay. 180. That brings us to Lewon City. We recommended 56,000. What number was that? 49. 48. Well, 48 and 49 recommended 56 and 57 56,000 and 57,000. Do we want to So that that's a total of 113,000. Take 5,000 off of each. 5,000 off of each or do we take off more from the resurfacing because that's 100%. Yeah, I would say that at 35,000. 35,000. Okay. So 3 resurfacing for 49 59 that went from 57 down to 35. Well, it was just 100% financing. So we're kind of making a little more equitable than how we're financing all the rest of them. It's just an approach to see what we gain. Don't touch the restroom. But don't touch the rest. Do not touch the bathroom. Yeah. Okay. So we dropped 49 to 35,000 project number three. What you're doing is you're going back and you're tell the taxpayers they're going to have to pony up more versus people that attend things. But that's how we replenish the fund though too. I know. But I'm telling you who is going to pay the bill people that participate or everyone within it. You know the cities make up this difference. Well, with parks and stuff, that's kind of a general thing. Most people in their cities use their parks, don't and they can rescale their plans, too. Okay. These are wish list. So, we're at we're at Logan City now. We've got 51, 52, 53. I think the percent Why don't we just cut that completely? That wasn't our number one though. Was that their number one? I don't think we have to be as aggressive in cutting Logan's bin as some of the others though for the reasons I think. We can come back. We can see what we get out of this. Again, it's just an idea. I think dropping the boiler by 20 or $30,000 is a reasonable thing to do to ask ask for something to to help from Logan, but I don't want to take them from them proportionally. Same way. I think that was the cost of the just the boilers though. They were going to do all the installation on their own. So I mean if you cut the cost of the boiler and they can't get it. So what purpose does that serve? It's a fee. Yeah. Okay. Or if they need to they can find and it's not it's a visit to the county council to reallocate from one project to the other. But if they say, "Hey, this is an obstacle. We're not going to be able to do this, but we can cut 30,000 from somewhere else." Then then I see that. Okay. So 30,000 is the new proposal for that one. Am I hearing that correctly? I think 30 fund at 35 cut by 30 I think is 35. Okay. So 35,000 is the new number. Number one 51 51 to 35,000 to 35,000. Okay. So we've cut 30,000 from theirs. Is there anything else we want to cut? That's less than 10% on theirs. Does do does anyone want to propose anything else? No. Okay. So, that takes us then to the next city, Mend City. Uh they asked for 50, we proposed 40 36. Probably not anything here. No, nothing. We're not come close to covering the quarter. Number we on 61 uh 61 men and city. So we recommended 40 initially. We want to bump that. Of course not as high on this one as on some of the other municipal projects came in at a 28. Um so I I I'm mindful of the fact that we're not going to balance4 million dollar deficit by cutting 4,000 more. I think we should I think going to 36. 36. Okay, we're at 36 on that one. Milville for 61. Yeah, for mend. Yeah. Okay. Now, Milville, we had um we didn't fund the We didn't fund the first one. Second one we funded at 58,000. 10% 6,000 bucks basically. 52 52,000. Okay. 52,000. Uh, next city is Newton. 123,000. So, drop it to 110. 10 for 110,000 for Newton. Uh, next, Nibi City. What was their total that they were given? Just take them all from the one Ridgeline Park. So, um, it's 211 for their three. Take that down to 180 on the Take the Ridgeline Park down to 180. Yeah. Okay. So, 180. Yeah. Number 70 drops to 180. Okay. That brings us to North Logan. I forgot how much we allocated. So, North Logan, we've got 325, two, three, four, five projects here. One of them wasn't funded. hunch is since the north parking lot was only a partial funding anyways that rather than cutting out of the first two that we fully funded that it might be better to reduce from the one that was only partially funded and probably won't get done in year one of the fund expenditure anyways. So there's going to be that that works out 354 $40,000 to cut. I'd recommend that we drop that from the north parking lot completely drop it or just take 40,000 40,000 from the north parking lot. So drop it to 85,000. I think we because we had 125. Is that right? So drop it down to 80,000. 85,000. 85,000 on which number? on 75 76 76 76 75 sorry 76 is already at zero 75 so 75 down oh yeah 75 85,000 75 is 85 75 number 75 is 85,000 okay and next city Paradise Town 55,000 town 5,000 so 50,000 Paradise number 78 78 is now 50,000. 50,000. Next, Providence City, we had 125,000 uh for them. So, 110 110,000. Okay. 110,000. Um Richmond, uh Richmond was 146. Take it down to 130. 135. Okay. 135. Next is River Heights. We gave him 60 50 54 50 50. Okay. 50,000. Okay. Uh next is Smithfield City. We had a few there. We had a 50,000, a 225, and youth theater. So basically 275,000. So 205 on the irrigation system. 205. 205 on number 84. Okay. And then Trenton bathrooms, they had 62,000. 56,000. Okay. And Wellsville City, we gave them 75,000. Drop that. Take it to 70. Okay. So, that's at 70,000. That's all the cities. What are we at now? Sorry. Let's go back to River Heights. River Heights, which was number 82. 82. They went down to 50,000 50,000. Yeah. Okay. And then Smithfield 84 was 205 or was 205. Trenton which is 88 was 56. Okay. And then Wellsville, which is 95, is 70. 70. So you're leaving 54,78 on the table. 54,000 to spend. That's it. Does it does mean that next year if the dollar amount is similar that we would not be able to fund everything we funded this year if receipts stay flat? Yeah, that's what it And that's if we don't go into recession, which all indicators are pointing towards recession. Make sure you add that to the end of everyone's award letter. Yeah. Don't count on it. Don't count on this next year. We still need to cut more to get to a couple hundred thousand. Do we need to cut more? Is that what we're saying? Yeah. So what do you guys think? Are do you feel comfortable with this recommendation or would you rather The only thing is do we are we inconsistent with what we did with the advertising? Did we grant some advertising and some not? because we had discussion throughout but there were 98 applications and I don't remember what we applied those to because I don't I don't know and we can go through and look at that because that was the only other thing that I could think of that would be just again inequitable but also do they all advertise in the same way are some more aggressive in markets that are going to pay off better and we can say we don't have to be equitable because some are more aggressive in markets that are going to actually have a greater return. Anything you cut from here on out I think we'll I don't think as a council we're going to say oh now we have an extra pot of money. No, we've done everything we can. I I think you just send this to the council and be done. comfortable with where we are right now? No, because there were some things I disagreed with. Well, but I mean, do you think we need to cut more or just send it how it is? Send it how it is. We as a council will take care of from here. Okay. What do you guys think? You guys want to cut more? I think you guys you guys have done extremely well to get that close with the huge request that we did have. That's that's that's a huge mile mark you've done. Yeah. What were we what was our total requests and something million? Yeah. Way more than we had total request was over 8 million and we had five and I guess just over five. I guess the the question to Dave's point is now as a council we talk about what we want to have in in reserves for this fund balance, right? If we're are comfortable with 55,000 in reserves as a council or if we want to have more then that's a discussion we take up as a council. If you have it in reserves or you don't don't you know that's it right? That's a conversation we have as a as a council. You just have to say well there's no money there. That's fine. That's say no. Okay. Or or if you put if you set a bunch right now aside, then you are going to have a whole bunch of other people come back and say, "Oh, I hear you got an extra couple hundred thousand. We want more. They deserve it more than some of those we just kept from." I'm a little worried about that. Catherine, do you are you okay with us? where we are sending this to the council. You want us to cut more? That was my only question is if I don't remember because we've been here and we've spun it so long if we were consistent with the advertising. But also I that's fine if we're done too. Does does anybody else have anything else you want to propose that we adjust? Anything new? Any other discussions? Okay. So, uh, hearing none, I will entertain a motion right now to recommend this list that Elma has up on the screen as our recommendation to the council. So moved. Second. Okay, we have a motion and a second to recommend this list with 54,708. In reserve to the council as our recommendation, any discussion about that. All in favor say I. Any opposed? Okay, that's unanimous. Okay, that's our recommendation to the council. That will go to the council two weeks from tomorrow or three weeks from tomorrow. It'll be their first meeting in May. But before I do that, I will send this out to all of you for a review just to make sure that we're good and then it will go to the council at their first meeting in May. It has to be approved by the second meeting in May. Okay. May that three weeks from tomorrow, this will be on the council agenda. Okay. Uh unless there's anything else, we'll be adjourned. There we do have one. Sorry. Oh, we do have one more. Okay, there is on the I know this might not be a popular discussion. This is for the board. Um Oh, yeah. Number six is future review process. So, so thank you very much. I know that this is a lot of work uh to review these books. We have three of the board that reviewed online uh the applications online. They had uh significantly smaller books as you will see. They only had one um and the rest of you had two. So, this is an online application and I want to have the three members that reviewed this online uh to talk about that just a little bit. I know there was some issues and we're trying to resolve them as far as being able to sort them so that they're alphabetical so that they're easier to find. But that aside, if that was a function that you could easily search and find the the um applications, how did you feel about the reviewing them online? Any of you like to speak to that? Um, go ahead. I was say I think it was fine other than the small complaints we gave on its functionality. Yeah. Um but it it overall just works. I mean either way I guess if you're doing the uh the full binders you still have to go on there and them. So it's not too far different. Yeah. I thought it was easy to be able to access their financial documents. It was just a click and it downloaded really quickly and and I I thought if those functions are remedied, it'll it's really quite easy. I just to be able to sift and sort through there uh by application number which doesn't show up in the system would be a really nice feature. That's one touch point or alphabetically by applicant or by title because those are other ways that we end up going through. Um and and the other piece is if we were able to swift by um score o overall score as the board's scores and that would be an after the fact entry because unless it computes the the overall score um that those would be and and to be able to sort by those things uh would make it so that it's a lot easier in the course of the discussion here to be able to keep track of that. That's the biggest thing other I was very happy with it as I was going through and reviewing stuff but yeah just just getting the sort of features to work correctly. So the reason why El was asking this is he he would really like us all to do it electronically in the future. So, and I know that's a big ask. Um, and it's something new to get used to, but the thing is is this is an online system and I don't know if you noticed the formatting. Um, it's not meant to be printed out and so the formatting, it was clunky. I I felt I don't know how how did the rest of you in in the there were a couple spots that were clunky, but I I was able to figure it out on that one. But what So, what's in these smaller binders? What did they get? So they So, um, Councilman Buuce and I believe it was Joe received u a binder that had the first three pages of the application plus a summary page. And on the summary page, it was just some of the basic information. And Damon, um, Dr. can he received just a one pager because he had reviewed online previously and it just had some basic information and and I could send that out and we could we could change that and you could get more bas you know I'd probably be fine in the future with just this page just the one page the thing I also liked about the online is that you could see all maybe binder I did it last year for it was really quick reference to see what years they applied what they've received and I really liked that section. Okay. Yeah. Like actually I can see this one page with that last detail. Yeah, that would be nice. What's when was the last time they requested? Um how much have they received and just a one pager would be fine. I wouldn't mind saving that much. So I did write down some suggestions. You had some suggestions throughout the meeting. I did write them down and I will send them out and I will ask for feedback from you as you kind of think about this because we want to really improve this and make it easier for all of you um and make it a better better uh system. Those of you who had everything printed out like I had it, would you be willing to try it all electronic next year or do you feel like you really need your binder? Too soon to know. Feel better with the blind. Just depends on how many troubles I have with the computer. I'm fine. I'm fine with the computer, but I I still u I need I want some some information that I can write on. I've got that was that was helpful. That much so I can transfer those notes and then to look up like today we several times, you know, the applications and dug into them. So, we've got to have some ability to be able to still to see that as we go. Yeah. And I can I can maybe work with you in the beginning of the year to Sure. talk about some functionality about it. Okay. Yeah. So, I will go through I will do a u the minutes of this meeting and I will send it out to you along with the recommendations that you've received because nothing's going to go to the council until you really sign off on it. So, you'll get the recommendations that will go to the council. I'll do the minutes and so that you could approve those and um and then after that I'll send out some suggestions that you made. I made some notes and see if we can improve the process for next year both reviewing as well as getting more information or some different information from the applicants. I really like the story except we have one individual that gave everything so it doesn't really tell us. Yeah. the the advantage of that is and I know I know we've been almost 5 hours on this with the minus the lunch. Um that's because there was 98 applications. The reason for the scoring is without having a conversation, you can kind of have a conversation and indicate where it falls and and so um yeah, we'll we'll work on that and and we can we can work on improving that process if we need to look at a different scoring system or something so that it's more advantageous to you so you can make better decisions or have more information to make the decisions. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? Elma. Okay. No. So, uh before we adjourn, thank you so much, Alma, for all of your help in organizing this and providing everything and printing a gazillion pages for us. Um thank you all, uh especially to our citizens, uh who help on this board. And thank you to uh those of you applicants who stayed this whole time and and who came. That's very helpful for you to be here to answer questions. Is there anything else before we adjourn? All right, seeing none, we'll be ajourned. Thank you.