Cache County Council Regular Meeting – 09-16-2025
2025-09-17
Gonna go ahead and get started. Thank you, Andrew, for taking care of our YouTube channel. I'm gonna call this meeting to order. Is everybody ready? Oh, I scared you. Okay. Thank you, everyone, for joining us tonight for our county council meeting. We appreciate you being here. We're gonna go ahead and start with an opening by councilman Nolan Gunnell.
Well, September is a neat month. Tomorrow is the anniversary of the signing of the constitution, something that we all benefit greatly from and hope to preserve it. I'd just like to read a little bit about Ben Franklin. He was one of the only founding fathers to sign all three of America's most important documents, the declaration of independence, the treaty of Paris that ended the revolution, and The US constitution. He also had a gift for humor in serious moments. During one tense debate, Franklin warned his fellow delegates, we must all hang together or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately. At the constitutional convention, he was the oldest delegate, 81 years of age at that time that he signed it. He was weak and in pain, but he kept everyone working together. When the constitution was signed, a woman asked, doctor Franklin, what have we got? A republic or a monarchy? He famously answered, a republic if you can keep it. So Franklin wasn't just a scientist or an inventor, he was a master diplomat, a peacekeeper, and a voice of wisdom who gave The United States both allies and a constitution, and I hope we all cherish that. Franklin really only had two years of schooling, but he was a man that read and wrote a lot of things and was very skillful in his part of this freedom for United States, and I hope we think a lot of that. I will now like to form my words in a prayer. Our Father in Heaven, we come before Thee at this time as we give thanks for the opportunity of assembling on this in this county of Cache in the state of Utah and for the government which we are able to participate in and benefit from. We give thanks for the constitution. We're grateful for this document and that it is preserved so long, and we pray that it will continue to do so and that we as a people will honor it and cherish it. We give thanks for those men and women who serve and protect us this day in this land and in distant lands, and for those who have gone before us. We give thanks for the peace and freedom which we enjoy and we meet all cherish it. We give thanks for these things and ask that we will be safe in the deliberations which we do now, and we do this in the name of thy son, Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. We now join me with the pledge of allegiance, please. I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Okay. Does anyone want to make a motion about the review and approval of the agenda?
So moved. Madam chair, if I may You may. Yeah. If I may, I would move to approve the agenda with the following amendment, that we move item five to, come after item six A.
That's great with me. So I want to second that.
Second. Second. Madam chair, we also need to make an amendment on the public hearing portion. K. I believe we need to, remove item seven seven. K. I'm just seven. So we're not yet ready for that. Okay.
So with those amendments, do I have a second?
Second.
Okay. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? K. The review and approval of the minutes, does it I had an
amendment to the minutes. Does anyone else have something about minutes? KK, you can go ahead. Just a small one. Time stamp 02:12 o four. It It says Adito instead of auditor. Okay. I don't know if that's the correct pronunciation, but that's how it was spelled. It's just dropped a r. So just a small thing. K. And then on in b, at the very bottom of b, on the time stamp 01:01 fifty
four, it says that I asked for an update on the it says AG report. What I want is an update on the AGRA port that the AGRA port, like a g r I. That was it I'm sure it sounded like the AGRA port when I said it, but, k. With those amendments, does anyone have else have any other changes? K. Does someone wanna make a motion about that? So moved. Second. It's been moved and seconded that we approve the agenda with those amendments or the minutes with those amendments. Those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? K. Alright. So we are going to do six a right now. And I so I have a statement to read. It says following the proper provisions for selecting an interim replacement county executive for Cache County, chair Natalie Levi of the Cache County Republican Party notified me seven calendar days ago that the Cache County Republican Party has selected n George Danes. Now per the provisions of Utah code two twenty a dash one dash five zero eight, we are now to vote on and appoint in George Danes as an interim replacement Cache County executive to serve for the remainder of the term that David Inzook was elected to serve. Can I get someone to make a motion on that? I move that we approve
that from Natalie Levi and appoint and vote on mister Danes as being the executive. I'll second it. K. It's been moved and seconded that we
accept and approve George Daines as the interim county Cash County executive. Those in favor, say aye. Aye. Are there any posts? K. George, we'd like to invite you to come forward for your swearing in. Bryson's gonna take care of that for us.
Arms to square and repeat after me.
I, state your name. I, m George Danes. Having been appointed to the office Having been appointed to the office of Cache County Executive Surveyor to the office of the Cache County Executive Excuse me. Executive Surveyor Do solemnly swear that I will support that I will of Utah. And that I will discharge. And that I will discharge. The duties of my office. The duties of my office. With fidelity. With fidelity. Awesome. Congratulations.
We're gonna invite you to take your spot right over there, and we already have a nameplate for you so you can be official. This one. Alright. So the next item on the agenda is the report of the county executive. So we'll move right to that if you're ready.
I'm ready. I do want to thank all of you, council and those here for the opportunity to serve this county again. I left this, office of county attorney some seventeen years ago. I served for six years. I I greatly enjoyed my service here. I enjoyed the friends that I made, and I enjoyed doing the work of Cache County. I greatly appreciate the opportunity to serve again, and I hope to do so in the best that I can possibly provide, this county. I think we all love Cache County. I'm in the business of reorganizing the office of the, county executive. We have much reorganization to do in that office. We're working through it. This afternoon, I received the resignation of Eric Anderson, and I told mister Anderson I appreciated his service, and I appreciated his cooperation with me, and that I wished him well. His resignation is effective upon my appointment. So that's part of my report. The other part of my report is to just simply say that we're enmeshed in the budget process. We have much to do with the budget, and we're going to try and catch up with that, and we'll be working as hard as we can on that during the next few weeks. Thank you.
Dirk, would you come up for just a minute, please? On behalf of the Cache County Council, I would like to express our appreciation for the time and tireless dedication that Dirk has given to the count to Cache County over the last three and a half years. We acknowledge his service and his capacity and thank him for his many efforts on behalf of the county and we really wish you well in your future, Dirk. Thank you. And we have we have something for you. Bryson's gonna pull it out. Or you can you would you like to say something? Just for a couple of seconds. Perfect.
Thank you, madam chair. Three and a half years ago, it was a very, you know, it's a memorable night to get sworn in, and then I was allowed to say some words back then. And so I just wanted, everyone to know that we are in good hands with George coming at the helm. This guy means business, and he's gonna take care of it. And I'm really excited to see, where we go from here. It I just want the whole county to know that any Cache County employee or elected official, it's an honor to serve in that position. And especially, Nolan, thanks for reminding me about one of my favorite days, tomorrow. I actually wish I would have done a typo now and put my resignation just as a typo, George, as tomorrow's date because that would be really cool. But maybe instead, tomorrow's date, Constitution Day, can be my new start instead. And we are just so honored to live in the best county in the nation. And all of the leaders we have going right now, we've got a lot of good going for our county. So I really appreciate the honor. I want the whole county to know that on that night, I went around and I shook hands with every council member and I said it and I meant it. And I said, thank you for serving. Thank you for running and winning your election because the service is sincere and heartfelt but not always appreciated. The job that the council and that the county executive have is a hard one. And but it's a good one. So George, thank you so much for being so kind to me and for listening. He we're still meeting. We met yesterday and we're probably meeting tomorrow just to try to get the list of him to, you know, things that the long list of to dos. And there there is a long list and it's great. So thank you, Cache County. Thank you, County Council. And thanks for letting me say something because it is an honor to serve and I've really appreciated my time here. So good luck, George. You're gonna do great. Thanks, everyone. Thanks,
George. This is okay. K. Thank you to all of George's family for joining us. K. The next thing on our item is the external the annual external audit. We'll turn some time over to Jason Slate from Joan Simpkins.
Thank you. I don't know why in these meetings, but the audit presentation always comes after something really exciting. And so my name is Jason Slide. I'm an audit partner with Jones Simpkins. We are a CPA firm just a mile west of here, and we had the opportunity to work with, primarily your finance department this year on your, and with with your county auditor, mister Funk, on your audit. And I would just like to go over how that process works, the reports that we issue, and the conclusions that we came to or that we arrived at as a result of our audit. I won't really speak to the numbers in the financial statements. You should have all received a PDF copy, and then we we decided to bring you a hard copy as well. I'll just say the county I think if you look at the bottom line, just the the the bottom line number, the county had a good year. I'll I'll say that. But our audit isn't meant to be how well the county did. It's it's based on we we give an opinion based on whether or not the information in the financial statements is materially correct. So we issue four reports in these financial statements. The first is found on page one. It's an independent auditor's report, and we discuss, the opinions that we've issued, how we arrived at those opinions, what our responsibilities are as auditors, what management's responsibility is, as far as providing us with the information, that we need to perform our audit. But, really, we just have two objectives. Our first is is to obtain reasonable assurance that the financial statements are materially correct and that they're being presented in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. And then our second objective is to issue an opinion. We arrive at that opinion by, performing audit procedures, and those are based on professional judgment. We're required to maintain professional skepticism. We don't just take your word for it. We obtain support for all the information that we ask for. We perform risk assessments. We focus most of our procedures on riskier areas areas, high dollar areas, and we look at your policies and procedures to see if there's any reason why there might be an issue there that would prevent the financial statements from from being presented in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. And then we we perform our procedures. And if we identify anything that we consider to be a material misstatement, we'll bring that to management and decide if an adjustment needs to be made. Materiality is an interesting term. I think a good example of that would be we issued some bonds this last year. If something were omitted from the financial statements that a bonding agency used to determine your bond rating or the interest rate that you were able to receive in relation to those bonds, that would be considered material. So that's that's kind of what we arrive at. A reasonable user of the financial statements, what would affect their decision making? So based on auditor judgment, we we develop a level of materiality, and then we perform our procedures. I can say as right at the top of the page one, you'll see that we issue an opinion that these financial statements are materially correct, that the information is presented in in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles based on an audit that we performed in accordance with generally accepted auditing standards. The next report is a long ways. These are long financial statements, but they're a long ways in the back, page one zero four. In governmental audits, we're also required to issue a report on internal controls and compliance. We don't test the operating effectiveness of internal controls and tell you whether or not your controls are functioning or or that they're effective, that they're operating effectively. But in in our audit process, we're required to obtain an understanding of the design and and functionality of your controls. And if we if we identify weaknesses or deficiencies in those controls, we'll let you know. And so that's what that report says. And there are two areas that we've identified that I'll I'll speak to in a little bit when it comes to controls, and it's mostly related to the material misstatements that we identified, as a result of our audit. But we can I'll I'll speak to that in just a minute. Page one zero six, when the county spends more than $750,000 in federal funds, you're required to have what's called a single audit, which is a federal compliance audit. They call it a single audit because you take the financial statement audit and the federal compliance audit, and we pull it together into one single audit. The county spent, well above 750,000 this last year. The county and its component units combined spent 14,500,000.0. And so based on certain coverage requirements and different things that are issued by the federal government, we we select certain federal grants. Most of it is gonna be your larger grants. Smaller grants aren't looked at as often. We're required to obtain 40% coverage. We tested 8,800,000.0 of the 14,500,000.0 this year. Most of that was your, the the those ARPA funds that are continuing to be spent. I'm happy to report we have we have no findings there. The your your federal awards are in reporting that goes along with those. And then finally, on page, it's at the end, page, I think, one sixteen, we're required in the state of Utah to perform some additional compliance procedures related to the state auditor's compliance guide. Not every state does that. We work in a number of states, and Utah is unique in that the state auditor's office issues its own compliance guide. And there's 10 to 15 compliance requirements, depending on the type of government agency you are, whether you're a county, municipality, special district. Some of those we test every year. Some we test on a we we have a rotation every three years. This year, if you look on page, I believe it is one sixteen, we we were required to test budgetary compliance, compliance with fund balance and your general fund, information related to restricted tax taxes, the fraud risk assessment, which you guys do each year, government fees, whether or not those are, in excess of of costs associated with the services you're providing, and then your tax levies. Again, no no findings in that area. So those are the four reports that we issue. If we'll now jump back to page, one zero nine, this is a summary. Basically, it's a summary of what I just went over of our findings and if we had any question costs associated with federal awards. We did identify, and what we feel like there's a material weakness in internal controls, a material weakness is is a weakness that if it's not if if it exists, there's a good chance, a really high chance, that you'll have a material misstatement. And then we identified a significant deficiency, which is not quite to the level of material weakness, but I and we explained those on 01/2010 and 01/2011. But I what I wanna emphasize is I believe that those are mostly related to the significant amount of turnover that has happened at the county, specifically in the finance department over the last few years. You had a member, that that did a lot of of of reconciling and things like that in Phil Noble, who left the county last year. So I really think it's attributed mostly to that turnover. And we've received a corrective action plan from the auditor, auditor Funk, and that's on page, one thirteen. I think those are really well written. In talking with him, there's already been, improvements in his review. I'm shutting things down. I know. Sorry. His review of of reconciliations, journal entries, things like that. So it's already being implemented. Your finance department, I think, should be commended. It's a difficult job. Being audited is a difficult job. You're already doing what you need to be doing, and then you have us coming in and asking for hundreds and thousands of documents, and they should be commended. And it and it has been difficult with turnover. So I I believe that's the reason for the the primary reason for those issues. So
Thank you, Jason. Does anyone have any questions for Jason? I have one question. K.
You talked about the you audit the fees that we charge, that they're in line. How do you be prepared against other counties, or is there a guideline in there? In there? There's certain compliance there's certain compliance requirements
and that are issued by the state auditor's office. We don't compare them against other counties. It's if those fees are in excess of the costs that are being incurred to provide that service, you are then required to restrict those funds, and it has to be used for that specific purpose. So, we haven't found an issue where they're over the top too much, but the excess there is an excess. It's sitting in restricted
funds. Yeah. Thank you. Yep.
About two years ago, we traveled to San Francisco to get our first bond Mhmm. And to get our bond rating from Moody's. And, we received very favorable bond rating. Have you seen anything since then that would, affect our
that bond rating to bring it down? I don't think so. Your financial statements are in a good position. And, actually, your Zions Bank did finalize the there's certain communication and disclosures that are required annually with bonds. That was finalized today. So, no, I don't don't believe so. You're in the county is very healthy from a financial perspective.
Anybody else have questions? Okay. I would entertain a motion to accept this external audit.
I make a motion that we accept the, annual external audit as reported.
I will second. Okay. It's been moved and seconded that we accept the presentation of the annual external audit. Is there any further discussion? Those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Jason, thank you. It's always good to see you. Alright. Item c on our agenda is the budget process update. Originally, we had planned to receive a presentation of the tentative budget tonight with some of the change in personnel and turnover. That's not gonna happen, but I will tell you that our new executive is hard at work looking into the budget and that we will all continue to, manage that help manage that process and work together to, get to the the things that we need to very soon. So that's about as much of an update, I think, as we're gonna get tonight. Andrew, 60, we're gonna talk about the proposed property tax increase timeline. There are some specific things when we were down at UAC especially, the state tax commission has gotten very specific and detailed about exactly what has to happen in this process if if we're going to, make that happen and we're just gonna make sure that we are all aware of what that is. Thank you.
Yes. Good evening, council. Just really quick. After speaking with Diana Schaeffer, I did get the dates as to what has to happen, in order for the council to be able to legally consider a proposed property tax increase, emphasis on the proposed. But, first and foremost, you guys will need to state in the October 14 meeting the intent to increase property taxes, the dollar amount of the increase, the purpose of the increase, and the percentage increase. After that, you guys will hold the Truth to Taxation hearing. It's scheduled for six P. M. On November 18. I know that Sandy and I believe it was also brought up by the auditor to potentially hold some sort of public facing workshop so that we can better educate the public on the purpose of a proposed tax increase. So that might be in the works on the on November 18, but we're we're working on that. Then after that, you guys can legally consider a property tax increase up to 18%. But, again, this is all proposed. So, other than that, that's all I had to offer on this item. So do you guys have any questions for me to relate to Diana? Or
Are you ready?
Okay. Thank you for that information. Andrew, I'm sure between you and Diana, you'll keep us right on track so that everything is done correctly. Hey.
Six
yes? I'm not in the meeting per se. Would you please come to the podium? We'd love or the and tell us your name.
Craig McAllister, Cache County Treasurer. Thank you for the hard work. So it was just announced that we have to make sure that by the fourteenth, is that gonna change the tenth deadline because we're already doing proofs and that's after the deadline that I have.
Oh, for for sending out the mailing?
We just need to have that information. My my cutoff date is the tenth. K. I thought we had already given you all the information you needed from us. To make sure that we're all in I'm gonna be planning on it and we can always bring it back Yes. As long as we have the fourteenth, but I'm not gonna change what we're tentatively planning
just because of proofs and things of where we're at today. Now, we knew that you had to get that in before this and I Perfect. If there's any information you needed us to clarify to you before then, please let us know. But I believe that we have already this is just gonna be a publicly stating that to the public during that meeting. And we can always scale it back. Yeah. Absolutely. So thank you. K. Thank you so much, Craig. K. Alright. Six e, we're gonna ask Angie Zitterquist to come up and present. Are you
Surprised.
Surprised? Okay. I'm sorry.
Right. So ag oh, sorry. Angie Zetterquist, interim director of development services. So the county has a code that, is consistent with state code about, creating Ag Protection Areas, adding to them, or, removing, parcels from an Ag Protection Area. So there's a very detailed procedure that we have to go through to, create Ag Protection Areas including noticing in that. The County Code, in talking about removing Ag Protection Areas, talks about the applicant needing to submit application to council. It actually doesn't include development services in that section, which is why I was surprised I was giving this presentation. But, anyway, we have had a request to remove, these two parcels listed. I don't have the acreage. I don't know if Andrew has that. But again, the process to remove is very simple because it's a voluntary act. The Agro Protectionary protects that property owner from having to comply with certain zoning requirements or development standards or protects them about being a nuisance if development comes closer. So, really, them voluntarily deciding to take away that protection area is a pretty simple step, and it doesn't really have any impact, to the County. If the AG Protection Area were to continue, the code requires that every twenty years, there's kind of review of that to make sure that that is still being used as an AG property and that hasn't been developed into something else. But, again, the, the removal, it there's no fee associated with it. It's just a request and just a step we need to just formalize it and take it off the, books and and overlay maps for that. So
it looks like they've filled out all the paperwork that needs to be taken care of. So
Okay. Yeah. Mhmm. Angie, if I may Sure. On this theme of surprising, I'm gonna ask you some questions. Sorry. No problem. It looks like it's 19 acres in in Nibley. Mhmm. And so this is all driven by the property owner. So they come and request to be in an ag protection area. Is it is there, like, a a tax benefit with that? I I don't know what it the ag protection area necessarily mean. Yeah. If you could explain that. Sure. Again, surprising you. No problem. Sorry.
Just have to go off my memory here. Yeah. So as I mentioned, it does protect that property owner, who's operating an Ag facility from having to comply with certain, zoning code standards or road improvements or anything, and if, as development comes nearer to them, they're protected, they wouldn't be called a nuisance for, you know, neighboring residential areas. So again, it is a protection for them, sought by them. We run it through a noticing process, goes to the Ag Advisory Board, just to, make sure it's all the ducks are in a row to get that protection area applied to it. So they voluntarily
go into it and they can voluntarily
Uh-huh. Go and apply to Right. Remove themselves?
Protection?
I do. Thirty years. Thirty years according to mister Erickson here. So, yeah, we I I will, admit that we don't have a great tracking system for that twenty year trigger, but it automatically renews if the county doesn't do anything on that. So
k. Anyone else have 1999. 1999. Perfect. Anyone else have any other questions for Angie? Yeah. And I do apologize. I No. I apologize for surprising you. We're all apologizing. So Alright. If there's no further questions, can someone make a motion that we accept this application?
I will make a motion on the application for removal of land from the Jensen Agricultural Protection Zone, partial 030030020, and 0012 that we approve.
Second. Thank you. It's been moved and seconded that we, grant this application for the removal of land from the Genshin Agricultural Protection Zone. Is there any further discussion? Those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Thank you. And thank you, Angie. You're welcome. Alright. We're to number seven.
Madam chair, I think we're looking for just a motion to set these public hearings and so as listed before, we removed item seven from this list. So, I make the motion that we set the public hearing for September 26 at 05:30PM for the following ordinances. Ordinance twenty twenty five-twenty six, twenty eight, 29, thirty, thirty one, and 33.
I'll second it. Okay. It's been moved and seconded that we schedule public hearings on September 26 for those following, for those announced resolutions. Is there any further discussion? Yes. Oh, wait. Yeah. We've worked on the dates
because Oh, it is supposed to be the twenty third. Yes. We talked about that, yes. Not only that, but I would also like to point out that the Flower Foods rezone was actually scheduled for today.
Rezone was actually scheduled for today. The air was on me. I didn't call So there is supposed to be a public hearing on that today? Yes. At 05:30. At 05:30. Okay.
So So that one goes down to Agenda. Okay. Has it been has it We noticed it last Noticed? Last meeting. Is the proponent here tonight ready to have a public hearing on their property?
Okay. So we need to go in there.
Yeah. And I don't think we got a clear answer. Was it publicly noticed? I know we voted to saying we voted this. We can check the notes or minutes. Was it publicly noticed that there was a public hearing for the Lauer Foods project. Not if it's not on the issue. I don't remember seeing it. They think this is probably our only source, so Yeah. Cannot proceed with that. Okay. Would you So I think my motion still stands. Would you amend that though to change the date to September 23? So close. So, the motion and please consider the motion amended to state that the public hearings would be set for September 23.
Okay. It's been moved and seconded that we accept that motion to schedule public hearings for the twenty third. And it's been moved and seconded. So those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Thank you. Alright. Eight a I think we've got Eric for the next two or three, items on the agenda.
I should be on here for the next three. My name's Eric Davis, deputy county attorney. So do we have that presentation available? Okay. So, counsel, last Oh. Oops. Hello. Late last year, early this year, we have been in discussions about the optional plan. A lot of Many in the county county know it as the organic act, But under state code, it should be it's rightly called the optional plan. So we have begun the process of trying to clean up a lot of the sections that are in the county, in the optional plan. We, Jeris Kendall, sent out an email asking for soliciting comments. We did receive some back. And we we've started the process on trying to help clean this up in both county code and in the optional plan. So there there's been some confusion as to what the Optional Plan actually is. So as I stated previously, under Utah Code seventeen fifty two a one zero two one, it means a plan establishing an alternate form of government for a county as provided, in that section. So, in 1986, we changed from a county commission form of government to a county council executive, county executive form of government, thus establishing and passing the optional plan. It's the framework for our government, for our form of government as it currently stands. It has been compared to a constitution of sorts for the county, however, because we are a political subdivision of the state of Utah. That metaphor doesn't correlate directly. It is our establishing document and what the county should look to when questions of framework arise, for departments, for elected officials, for the Executive, for the Council.
So
there have been questions also about what the difference is. The optional plan generally outlines the duties and responsibilities of each elected office. Certain departments within the county empowers generally. The optional plan can only be amended with a two thirds majority vote of the county council. A two thirds majority vote cannot change the form of government. Such a change would need to be brought to a vote of the people during a county election. I think that's already been discussed, before this body. County ordinances are the laws that govern the county. County ordinances are passed with with a simple majority vote of the county council. So the needs for updates. Historically, sections of the optional plan were placed directly into county code and slowly amended over time with a with a simple majority vote of the council. This has happened over since 1986. It's been years. Many of these changes were not made in the optional plan when they should have been. Also, having a framework of the county in two places, it's duplicative. So certain sections of the optional plan are in need of minor updates, such as changing councilman to councilmember, and certain state laws have come into effect that created a need to update the optional plan. So we are proposing doing this in three phases. Phase one would update the optional plan to reflect where the optional plan was essentially updated in county code. That one will require a two thirds majority vote of this body, of the council, in order to make those changes, to get those
changes that have happened over the years to be put into the optional plan. So Eric, can I interrupt you so Go ahead? Absolutely. These things that are already in our county code that we have amended
optional plan exactly the same. That is correct. Okay. Thank you.
In phase two, we're we want to consolidate the framework of Cache County's government by removing all sections of code that are duplicated in the optional plan so that the optional plan so that the optional plan is the sole document where county the county's framework can be found. That way we don't have any amending of the optional plan in a simple majority. If you're gonna amend the optional plan, you'll do it there. Also, we've worked with the with the County Clerk to have that publicly, published on Unicode. So now we have both County Code and the optional plan available to the public through Unicode. And anytime that's amended, that can also be seen to the public. So in Phase three, finally, would be to update the optional plan based on changes in state code, desired changes, and updates, as well as wording changes such as councilman to councilmember. Are there any questions?
I I have another question. Yes. Tonight, do you want us to take an action on that? Like, do you have specific wording yet or you're just asking us to allow you to go forward with this plan?
So so
Yes. If I could just comment really quick. Thank you. A lot of these some of these changes need council approval. Like Eric just discussed, these changes to the optional plan would need, for example, a two thirds approval. Speaking with our brand new county executive, there's some changes that he would like to review and comment on and have a little bit more time to digest before the council makes these final changes. So Eric and I both agree, and we think it would be fine for us to continue this matter and give you a little bit extra time to digest as well county executive some time to read over. And if he has any suggestions or changes that he'd like to make, then to revisit this here in the near future.
K. Phase one and phase two are currently generally ready unless there are further comments. Obviously, we are willing to amend anything, with further suggestions. But I do have two ordinances ready, but again, those can be passed at a later date. There's no urgency on this. So the redlined copy that we have is what you have ready to go unless we do some more For phase one and phase two. Correct. Phase three is gonna take more time. I think that we there I've done a lot of combing, but I think we need some more cooperation from different, elected officials to, pinpoint exactly where things need to change. K.
The red line document details we're looking at is what Eric and the group at the OMP has been working through. So it's been through that process for the documents related to phase one and two,
move forward, advance forward to this discussion tonight. K. All I see in red line are things crossed out. So does that mean those are things you're taking out of the county code and putting back in or just leaving
to be defined in the in the optional plan? So phase two, there is gonna be it's mostly just redline. That because we're taking all of the the duplicative wording that's in county code and just it's already in the optional plan, so leave it there. Just removing it from county code? Yeah. There should be one that has both blue and red and that's phase one and that should show how things have changed for the optional plan. Gulander,
whether I speak up or just observe the Goolander, whether I speak up or just observe. May I speak?
Yes.
I received this on Friday afternoon. I know that the, Mr. Davis believes that the changes are just housekeeping. That's what he referred to with me. And I looked at it and I am concerned about whether they're just housekeeping or not. They significantly impact my office and its powers, and I'm uncomfortable with with the draft being considered without having a thorough review. I ask for historic record of what changes have been made since the optional act was passed. It's clear that there have been some changes, and I don't want to preserve changes if those changes are inconsistent with the original draft. Even though at this point it may be mayor Hauskemi can make them the same, if they were changes to the draft originally that changed those issues. We need to take a closer look at them. I think the division between executive and legislative powers is fundamental to understanding our form of government. And I'm reluctant to, without some period of time, bear through those alternatives. So I I ask that this matter be continued, and I would appreciate having the opportunity. I'm not sure whether I'm legal counsel for myself or whether legal counsel is the county attorney at this point, but I, from my own office, believe a thorough review is is required before we consider, and I would like the opportunity to do that before this matter proceeds.
Thank you. Madam Chair, one point of clarification. Many of these changes to the organ or not the organic even two years ago. We had some changes to our optional plan of government. And so many of these changes, yes, they were indeed substantive changes and affected the balance of power between the two, you know, our executive and the legislative branch branches. And so mister Daines is right. Those changes are substantive. But as far as just harmonizing the two codes and making sure that they all appear current and in their correct, most up to date form. That's what mister Davis is referring to as housekeeping. Many of the changes, yes, indeed were substantive, but as far as reflecting these changes today, we're just reflecting what has already occurred in the past decades. It was passed by previous councils or by
with a two thirds vote. Correct. Okay. Okay.
I have a comment as well. Yes, please. So I think you emailed this to us back in May, I wanna say. Yeah. April. April, May. Hey. Yeah. And I remember reading through it, and you're very helpful answering my questions. I know there was one, like, that actually talked about what what mister Danes just went through with the special election, and that was in section four zero two. I'm looking at my old notes and talked about historically, I I asked the parties held a special election, made a recommendation. Where is that outlined? You you had mentioned that's in state code, but we should include that detail in the optional plan. So I guess my question is, do we wanna try and get those things in, or do you wanna do it in phases where we approve just matching them up and then that's
that's part of phase one? And then phase two, we maybe look at things like that and add them later? So that would be in phase three. And I have so that one specifically, I do have ready, but I I wanna get everything ready for phase three before it is presented before the council. But, yes, that is one example of of the state code being, that governs over the option plan and the option plan is out of compliance on that point.
Yep. Okay. Sounds good. So So
Okay. So I I need to discuss two then. So if we voted on phase one and two, it's basically just making sure the two documents match with things that were already passed. If we want to make those amendments, then during phase three Mhmm. We that could be discussed or or considered. That this is just to match up the two documents
to each other. Yes.
The the organizational changes that are reflected in phase one and phase two related documents already been adopted. It's already current place. It's just they're stated in two different places. This makes it so that it's stated in its proper place. It's quote. Translating that to can't not do what they've already said. It's, and we're already bound to do What's been passed. What's been
passed, and and that's all what isn't contained in phase one and two. That's correct. I would I would remind the council that if you did want to change the optional plan again to reflect some new sensibilities or some additional powers that you want to powers that you'd want to delegate, for example, back to the executive, or if you wanted to change that, the council's always at liberty to do that with the two thirds vote.
K.
Yes. So, manager, I think that is I think we have two different arguments that are playing out right now. We have one saying that we want to make it match. Mhmm. And then we have one saying that I think that mister Daines is saying that he feels that it's been altered to the point that it it it isn't, honoring the the original form of government that was set up. Is that
Catherine, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is is I'm uncomfortable
making decisions without having the time to understand the changes. I got this draft delivered to
Saturday. It was sitting on my desk. I was appointed an hour ago. I haven't been able to access computers yet. I want to go through and see for myself what changes have occurred, where they have been approved, and the tracking. And, I ask that that be provided to me, and mister Davis hasn't been able to do that at this point, so I've asked that this matter be continued. I'm I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying, I think my office has to defend itself, and I need time to take a look at it. If there is an urgency, what is it? I mean, seriously, I just got appointed. You're you're trying to work with the core of my office. I'm saying, maybe it doesn't change anything, but I'd like to understand that. So I'm asking mister Davis and your your legal establishment, who apparently doesn't respond to my request for information, I'm going to ask again that you provide me a record of where the changes were made so I can look at it. Yes. We we can do that. Legal advice on that if I have to. No. We we can do that. Yeah. Yeah. I think what you're saying, though, is
that phase one and two have already been voted on and approved. So even if there's something that mister Danes doesn't like, we can revisit that, but it's already been passed. It's just bringing it in the current phase three is where maybe the tension could possibly occur. Yes. Where the where we can revisit things in phase three. Know that. Yeah. I don't understand. I don't know that that's accurate.
But what you've been told is that they have been approved in the past. I want to see where they were approved and what was approved. That's at what I'm asking. Yeah. You can assume that, but I'm not comfortable assuming that. Assuming that.
Sure. K. And
do we have urgency? I mean No. No. Again, this is Madam Chair, the the clerk,
our county clerk is the one who has the records of what And when. And when, and by which meetings, and by how many, and by whom. So k.
We'll get that information for our executives as quickly as we possibly can. Perfect. Thank you. Okay. And the timeline, this was all in motion well before there was any Yeah. Or before any change in the executive This is yeah. This has been on the last five OMP meetings since July. It was set months and months and months ago. So I mean, and Bryson, I I believe the the sections in phase one that deal with the executive are section d and f of the option plan under four o sorry. I need to find it specifically.
Yeah.
404. Four point o four. Sections of DNF. Those are the only at least with phase one and two. That that those are the only two. And I and I believe f was was amended in 2023 in an ordinance, and that passed unanimously. Again, that can be provided to the executive's office and all that. Yeah.
K. So does someone wanna make a motion then to continue With no action, we'll continue it on. Yeah. Yeah. But no action, we'll just let it continue. It automatically. Okay. Perfect. Okay. So that is eight a and b. Right? Or is that just Okay. What about eight c?
Okay. So eight c in sorry. I'm trying to find the date. In July, Pacific Corp LLC filed a tax appeal to their centrally assessed tax property and they are in almost every county except for Wayne in Utah. And so that will affect almost every county. Taylor and I received an email from from Dana Schafer. This request, this requested 35.545% reduction would unfortunately lead to a substantial decrease in our tax revenue of approximately $2,263,892.98. That's that's the rough estimate of what it would be if it was granted, if the appeal was granted. So we with UAC have I've prepared a resolution to retain Thomas Peters, who's also representing many other counties in this cross appeal. And with your approval, he will file that cross appeal this week to defend our interests. He we used his services under the Ruby, pipeline tax appeal as well, and he did a very good job for us. What did you say the tax consequence would be? Approximately 263,892.98
for our county. K. In just one tax year? Mhmm.
K. Alright. Does anyone want to I just have any more questions about that? I have a question about retaining
third party legal counsel. I don't know how that works with the budget. And if that is already part of the budget or if it's office has
outside counsel budget as part of our trial budget for experts, for this cost, outside counsel if necessary.
Do we have an estimate on what our
So he he what he does is he does it proportionally based on, each county's, interest within the the tax appeal. So I I'm not sure exactly how much that would be at this point. I would think ours is one of the smaller. Mhmm. It is. Yeah.
Okay.
Does Pacific Court do this a lot? Yeah. Every year? I don't know about every year, but often. Yeah.
And there's I know there's several counties who depend on that, that centrally assessed tax revenue quite heavily. Yeah. So, okay. Does someone have any other questions about this? And a question for Eric or Taylor? Okay. Does someone wanna make a motion?
I move to approve resolution 20 25 dash 36.
Does it require suspending the rules? Yes. I move to suspend the rules
and pass resolution twenty twenty five dash thirty six.
Second. K. It's been moved and seconded that we suspend the rules and approve resolution twenty twenty five dash thirty six. Is there any further discussion? Those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Thank you, Kim. Thank you, Eric. Appreciate you. Okay. We are flying through this one. Okay. Other business, the USU Homecoming Parade. Is there anybody that knows they will be there or will not? I will. I will be there. Okay. I will not. I will be out of town. I will not be there. I can be there. Okay. I won't. Okay. So you've got Barbara, Keegan, and Mark for sure. We'll check with Dave Erickson. Okay. Council member reports. Barbara, will you go ahead and start that for us? Yes, I will. I've got
quite a few things to report. Starting with America two fifty. We've been doing a lot of work, Rina and I, and we've added another person. She was already on the committee, but to be a Co Chair, and that's Pam from, what? Budge. Budge. Thank you. Thank you. And, we've got a lot of good things planned first of all, which is the USU Homecoming Parade. And, we've got some good things going on. One of our employees donated a trailer to us to use for that and we've got some good things going on with that and getting that decorated. We've got a Liberty Bell that's going to be on that. We just have a lot of good things going on with it and I'm excited about it. On July 1, the Tabernacle in working with America two fifty, the, you know, the festival opera is going to put on 1776, and that will be free to the public on that. We were talking about doing the pumpkin walk, but that is too soon and we can't get things organized. On May 1, we're having a jubilee ball at the event center. So that's just a few of the ideas that we've got going on with that. I have some other notes here. Okay.
Is the jubilee ball, do you like dress in period clothes? Clothes? We haven't decided that yet. I think it would be fun. I do too. It would be fun. Yeah. I I wore those clothes in high school. I still have some.
You mean that was when you were in high school? Yes. Back well, no. Back in '70. We all we wore tiny like, that was the style back then. They still fit. That's very impressive. My granddaughters have worn them on track. So
We have a lot of good things going on. That was an idea from our own Andrew and it I love that. We I did too. We've been off with that, so we're going with that. The other thing that I have is there was a gentleman that passed away in our community probably about three or four weeks ago. His name was Mr. Spendlove and he one of my constituents was wanted us to read a letter about him and to honor him and his service in our community. And, in talking with Sandy, I got permission to do this. But, if for those of you who don't know, he was the founder of the excellence and innovation, and they did provide high paying jobs for hundreds of Cache Valley families, and those families in turn have helped to make our communities what they have become. And then, of course, HyClone Laboratories successor companies HyClone, Cytiva, and Thermo Fisher, and they've invested millions of dollars into our community also. So we honor his entrepreneurial spirit, his risk taking, and his determination to succeed, and we're grateful for people like that in our County, and we have quite a few of those people. And let me see, I think that's all I have with letting you know that I will not be here for the twenty third and twenty fourth meetings. Okay. K. Thank you. Robert.
Keegan, go ahead. Yep.
Airport board, Just an update. Mr. Zook was the chair of that board, so that's been reorganized. There's a new chair and vice chair. I also who are they? Bob is the chair and Brett is the vice chair.
So so he's the chair of the Of the airport authority. Board, and he's also the And the employee? Maybe I have the wrong name. Yeah. I that that was advising a little bit. Odd. John Kerr is the chair of the board. He was the chair prior to Mr. Zuck. Okay. And he is the chair again. He's been voted as the chair again. Yes. Okay. Okay. That thank you. That makes more sense to me. Thank you. Yep.
The I also met with the trails committee, and they gave me an update on Wayne's Loop. I think we're all waiting for that. The trail itself should be done before winter, but they're still waiting on the access road to be finished, which probably won't be till 2026 at the earliest.
K. All I got? Nolan.
Not too much. Do emphasize the September 24 meeting. I think that's important as a county what we're gonna try try to do there. I have reached out to many individuals. So
Nolan, could you confirm the time? Because I have two I have conflicting information.
Starting at three because I have got many state employees coming, and Okay. They weren't jumping up and down of being here after coming starting at five. That's right. I just wanna make sure that So it's 03:00. I've got state engineer. I've got two people from Bear River Health. I also have the person doing The US geological study of the groundwater who was coming to update us and, some others as well as people from the county. I've asked fire. I've asked Matt Phillips from municipal services. I've asked the attorney's office. We mentioned that, mister Daines the other night or yesterday. So, hopefully, we can sit and talk about a few things because I in my neighborhood, I have three wells, three citizens who are having to redo their well right now with water issues. So I think that's important. The commission is and kudos to Angie and the development services. The planning commission is facing a lot of issues right now. We're discussing things like solar power and what that's gonna do to the county, and so those things are gonna be coming to the council. So if you get a chance, listen to the things going on in planning and zoning because there's gonna be some things coming before us as a council that we it's gonna have an effect on the county for us too. So big things coming that way. So that's all I have.
K. Catherine. Okay.
Thank you, madam chair. Probably the biggest thing to report is the fire district. We had a meeting, and, we had a a subcommittee that was meeting and came, with some possible solutions of of for funding, which they are going to have a perp a joint meeting with the council, and our new executive, for timing to have an elected, it has to be done by the the declaration period for the special District is June. So we're trying to figure out timing. We'll be doing that hopefully in October. We'll have a a joint meeting with the with the fire district and the fire excuse me, the fire board. And as we can kinda get the ball rolling so we can have the declaration or we would have to have that done by February so we could register with the state for the special district. Am I right, Bryson? So yeah. So double checking that. Yeah. Yeah. So chief George is is abreast of all of that information and has come up with the possible solutions to present to the county for potential funding for the fire. So that's the great the biggest news, and we'll look for a meeting probably towards the October.
K. Alright. Mark.
Just two real quick things in addition to the OMP meeting that we had on Friday, which you saw some of the work. So that was something Barbara and Dave and I were involved with. And then, this afternoon, I had the regular meeting with the Outdoor Recreation Initiative Committee. That is basically I serve as our appointee from UAC for regional significant outdoor recreation projects. We're gearing up for the annual grant application review and and award process. Myself and Landis representing our area. There's some really ambitious projects that are on the in the proposals this time, and I think we're we as a county are getting familiar with this. It's a new program. Everybody's it's new to everybody, but we're, you know, it's new to Landis and I for this time around. And so, we're becoming familiar with it, and there'll be opportunities for where we discuss for what we would like to consider applying for in the future. Most of what the projects entail this year are trails, mostly off road, or Bonneville Shoreline Trail related discussions, as traditional outdoor rec related projects. So there will be more to come on that. The other thing is also this afternoon, I was invited. It's not an official county capacity or anything, but I was invited to participate in the cash interagency family coalition meeting, and I it was it was a great experience for me to participate in watching the discussion that these groups of non profits and members of the community interested in, in essence, filling the gap on on what government programs, social programs there are out there for supporting families in need, as well as, and just promoting good family oriented activities that take place, and and sponsoring them as well. So it's a great conversation, and I know they intend to reach out to everyone on this body, and encourage you to attend. So
anyway, that's it for me. K. Thanks, Mark. Madam chair, I failed to mention something too. K. The Utah division of water resources is holding a meeting September 22 at 6PM, which is the Bear River Basin water plan. That would be something that would be good for all of us to be there and hear what's going on on that as well. That's gonna be at the Logan Library. What time? 6PM. Yep.
The Bear River Watershed Council is actively encouraging all stakeholders that we are aware of, which includes the Cache County Council in attending. So thanks for bringing that up. I forgot to Do you have it? Do you? Watershed yeah. I think we got it.
Yeah. Okay. I was just looking 06:00 while I got my Yep. 06:00.
Alright. Nobody mentioned the Wellsville parade, Founders Day parade where the sham battle was still Where they sold? Going going strong. That was awesome. I attended a couple it's been a couple of weeks ago an all day retreat for the Bear River Health Department where, Jordan Mathis gave us his vision for the next year moving forward. He's got some great leadership. Really impressed with everything that he's doing. And, I'm sure I don't know if did all of you get a I don't know if you got a communication from him, but there has been it was it was announced on a public website that there were measles detected in the groundwater within the three county area. They're not saying specifically where. They don't have any active cases that were reported. That were reported. In the ground water or wastewater? The wastewater. Sorry. The wastewater. The wastewater. Not the ground water. Okay. Sorry. That's a big difference. Yeah. K. So exposed. In in what Jordan said to me, he said it could have been somebody that was passing through and then left, you know, was here for a few days or whatever. There's they're still trying to determine that, but because it was announced publicly, he wanted us to make sure that we all knew about that. If if anyone has any questions, we can refer them to the health department. Had a lot of things that we learned at UAC and in the last couple weeks, especially about the multi county appraisal trust and what's going on there. There's a lot to be determined, a lot of changes that UAC is trying to do with with MCAT. We'll have to stay up to date on that as much as we can. I went to the planning commission meeting. It was long. It there was a lot going on. Our planning commission deserves a lot of thanks. They're dealing with a lot of things for very little compensation, and, there's some things that are gonna be coming to us that we need to be aware of. If you have a chance, you may wanna go back and read their notes or their minutes or, kinda update on some of that stuff, especially involving a fire code that for a development that's coming up. I went to a meeting for the rec center steering committee. They're they're making they're starting to make recommendations to the steering committee about the, they've kind of identified what recreation is available in the valley and what for what should be available for a county our size. They they have three different options, one where there's one center, one where there's two, a north and a south, and one where there's three. And those these are just initial proposals. They're just starting to bring that to the steering committee. There will be a lot more to come with that before it is an is an actual proposal that we would take to to the voters. Have had the opportunity to meet a couple of times with our new executive, really productive, good discussions. I think it's gonna work out really well. I'm really excited about that. And one of the things we talked about was some of the boards that the previous executive sat on that maybe our new executive would like to not have on his plate, and one of those was the Bragg board of directors. Dave and I currently sit on that. It has to be an elected official. And so I don't will all of you guys think about that if that's something that you would like to maybe be a part of? We need a third member from our county. The other two counties have all three commissioners on their board of directors on the Bragg board of directors. It's a bimonthly meeting. We meet twice or every other month. And so if you'll let me know about that, and we'll see if we can get that.
I've got a whole list of ceremonial and offices and I. It's like I'm going to spend all my time going from one meeting to the next. There is space between them when I need to get some work done. And I think these would be useful things for the councilman to take a look at and serve on. I I think I counted 22 that I'm both That's it.
And some of some of those, I think, are are required by for someone from the and some are not. So let's let's filter through those and see which ones
you want us to help. Sort Sort through them, Sandy. I don't want to say they're not important, because I think they are important. It's just, if we could spread out those tasks a little bit. I even wonder if maybe we should ask some of our other elected officials to take some of those slots. I think their opportunity to get out in the community would be useful to them.
I know. Craig's wait Craig needs more things to do. Many to choose from right now. Bring it on. Right.
That's on the record. Yeah. I know.
Yeah. How many would you like?
As you go through those, why don't we'll kind of wait for you to organize and then we'll work. I'll sit down with you and we'll, we'll come back the next meeting
and, and kind of have a list. And frankly, if, if you feel like I should attend a particular one, I would want to do that. The areas where there are important things that that need content attention are probably the ones that I I need to attend. I'm I'm very concerned about our development services situation and the fact that we don't have a director in there. So though I'm not designated on that one, that's one. I think I better start at handing until we have some more
involvement over there. Okay. Hey. Regarding that, can we ask Amy? We have two for interview. Where do we sit bringing those in? Do you know? Or now that we have mister Danes sitting?
Yes. Mister Danes and I have spoken today, and we'll be getting with Andy. You can each be moving forward with that process.
K. Thank you.
K. And I know that oh, gosh. At our appropriate we also had appropriations meeting, and there were a lot of things discussed that we'll be bringing forth at the budget opening next week. One of those was, Bob Lowe from the airport talked about on Thursday, he's meeting with Utah State to finalize to get something in writing for how they compensate us. And so I don't know if you're aware of that, Keegan, or if you're planning to be there. I think that we need
to make sure that everyone who needs to be there is there. So I know you're out of town. Madam chair, I that reminded me when you said the Appropriations Committee. Committee. We also had an audit committee meeting. Yes. Last week was a long month. It was a long it was. It really was. So, yeah, we met, obviously, the audit report here and other work was conducted
there. We did meet as a, audit committee as well. Yes. And we were told a lot of the details that Jason presented us tonight. So, yeah, it has been a long week. Long two weeks. K. I think that covers everything that I know. Does anyone else have anything? And, George, is there something you would like to say tonight? I we didn't normally have the executive report when the the council members give their reports, but I I'd love to give you that opportunity
I, I I think in the series of workshops, I'd like to interact with you and talk about the process and and we need to get it done. So there's, there's two things that are going on there. Trying to make sure the process is right and we get it done. For whatever reason, my office hasn't had significant interaction with the departments about their budget. Mr. Zook has not done that, and he's had his deputy do that, but that doesn't really work very well. I think in order to have this system operate, I need to sit down with the department heads and go through their budget, and and try and prune what we can and understand it. So I'm probably going to ask them, we're going to try and shrink the process, but go through the process of bringing each department back in and going through their budget in order to come up with a tentative budget. And I welcome your suggestion, whether you think that's necessary or not. From what I can see, the budget isn't in a sufficiently process to be ready for you to start on. And I feel like I've got to get a process done as quickly as I can. I, we've already talked about this before we've covered. I don't want to spend a lot of time on it tonight, but the core is that I have responsibility to come up with a budget, and to be the executive over those offices. Your involvement really should come later in that process. As, as we squeeze on the apartment, or the departments about their budgets and things, I suspect that you may hear from them, and if you begin the process of interacting with them before I give you a tentative budget, you, you kind of make the process different, and I would encourage you to not do that until we come up with a tentative budget, and then have your hearings and your interaction with the executive, and the different departments.
The
another part of our budget process is to slim down my own office, frankly, to what I think is lean. I would like to have a deputy. I'm looking for a deputy. I'll I'll bring one to you for your approval, and your advice as soon as I can have a recommendation. But that's that's what I'm going to be trying to do is, beginning tomorrow, I can actually look at your numbers in a computer. Before now, I haven't been able to do that. I'm going to get started as fast as I can, work as hard as I can. I would like to send them to you in sort of a dynamic fashion. When I finish with one department, rather than say, well, I'm not going to send it until the whole thing's done, I may send up some, but there is a process where the whole tentative budget both be given at a certain time, and I'll do that, but as soon as I can pass these things to you, so you can start working on them, I'd like to do that.
Okay. Two thoughts come to my mind. In the past, we've had workshops around this time the budget year starting at 03:00 before our council meetings. We are meeting at five next Tuesday. We have a council meeting. If it would be helpful for you to interact with us or to have some departments, we could manage that. So just keep that in mind as you're looking at the process. Going through the departments
immediately. So I hope to have gone at least initially through most of the departments
by that time. Time. So if it would be helpful to have a discussion with us Yeah. Something like so. Let you know where Let's tentatively plan that.
You know, it isn't easy to budget. It's it's it's a tough process. I there There's a uniform feeling that everything's tight and we need all the money we can get in every department. And trying to talk through alternatives and how much is needed is a hard process, and it's particularly hard for someone who just got appointed yesterday.
So Okay. And the other thing I just wanted to mention that each one of us has assignments as a liaison to different departments. As you go through those budgets with those departments, if it would be helpful to have that council member there just to learn so that it's not so that there's a discussion that we are aware of rather than them coming to us afterwards or, you know, that just might help the situation. So if you'll keep that in mind too that a lot of us are pretty familiar with those departments' budgets that we are the liaison
to. So that could be that that could be a part of the process, if it would be helpful. It could be, and I'm thinking about whether how that will Yeah. Will work. We may we may try one way and see if it works and then try another. I do think that you can't really be effective in administering things if a department feels like they're reporting to the council rather than the executive. And I think that's that's key to getting control of the administrative side of the government.
K. We'll just wait and let you let us know. K. Alright. Does anybody else have anything? K. Thank you all for being here. I'll take a motion to adjourn. So moved. Hallelujah. Moved and seconded. Those in favor, say aye. Aye.