COSAC General Meeting - October 5th 2026

How many letters? They probably didn't ask. They need to re-evaluate. Unusually high committee deadlines, mandatory for pre- application. So part of the county will be 22% lower. 22 is not a range. Certainly not. Yes. Much more. Well done on your work. How are you doing? Greetings. I'm fine. Jack Draxler. Yes, Peterson. Good. It has a very strategic location. It's not huge, but it's made specifically for the trail. She is very strategic. So, new...sorry. What do you guys do? Thank you. Yes. Water. We'll make you sit here, you know. I hope this isn't a downgrade from the penthouse up here . No, no, you guys got it. Sometimes it's nice not to be in the hot seat. When you're here, you're actually voting for money. We simply recommend it. Yes. Did you have one that wasn't there ? No, not the one we officially recommended. You had one that we spent your money on. Yes. And and, and you've already upgraded our recommendation before. Yes. A pretty good average. Yes. I think so too. Lisa, you haven't heard from anyone else that they're not going to get together. No. Well, Kendra is the only one I know, right? Is Eric absent a lot ? As far as I know, no. I can call them right in the backyard. The trailer has important access. Yes, I know. Hi, Eric, this is Lisa Kosak. We would like to start a meeting, but we still... don't know. I haven't heard from you. I assume you'll come, but in any case, I'm looking forward to meeting you. Take care of yourself. I sent him a message too. Good. And I'm calling Brent. Good. Hello. Yes, he is coming. Brent, are you on your way? Good. We still need a quorum, so as soon as you can pick her up, that would be great. Thank you. Okay, great. Thank you. Brent in two minutes. Good. Thank you for doing this. You don't need to, but hopefully not in the future. This...I don't know if this is for... Hi, Jared, this is Lisa from... Yeah, Brent is on his way. He'll be there in two minutes, he says. Okay, sorry. We have one more, and then we have to call him, right? Yes, that's good news. Yes, I think the trail has a prescribed easement. But it will give her more...Can I have that phone? Of course. Strangely opposite. There's that man. Greetings. Hello, okay. Wow. Thank you for joining us at our KOSAC meeting on October 5th. Uh, we appreciate you being here and look forward to discussing your projects with you for those of you who are here with applications or pre-applications . Uh, let's see. Approval of the agenda and minutes. Have there been any changes to our agenda, Lisa? It seems not. Did everyone have the opportunity to familiarize themselves with the protocol? I didn't see any problems with it. No. Good. In that case, without objection, we will approve the agenda and minutes. Um, do you have a microphone? Uh , yes. I don't know how we turn up the volume, and...We have microphones, but for recording. Yes, they're just recording our conversations, so they don't turn up the volume on the speakers up here. I don't know if there are any staff here who know how to change this, but sometimes test-test is what gets through to these... Yeah. Yes. These, if you... Okay. Good. Speak into the microphone. I hear Reagan over there. Yes, we will have to speak louder. Yes, we'll just, please, do it. Good. Um, as for our agenda items, uh, the first item is the evaluation of the first round of SNG Bloom Haven LLC. And Lisa, do you have a presentation for this... um, for us? Yes, it is on a separate sheet of paper that you should have on your desk. And, um, just to sum up, based on the five responses as of this morning, the total score was 39.8. Um, the total score was 199. Um, and just for comparison, the Silver Farms project received an average score of 42.6, and the Champion Land Company received an average score of 40. So this is roughly what we did before with farmland. Um, this gives you a more detailed idea of ​​the different, well, seven different, um, areas that we evaluated. Um, for protecting scenic views, he received an average score of 5.6. Preservation of open lands near valley gates – 4.8. Support for agriculture is 13.4, and support for waterways is 5.8. Wildlife habitat–4.2. Public access is 0.6, and distinctive factors are 5.4. Good. Thank you. And I think everyone here was able to visit the facility. Is that so? Except for Rin. Good. I was out of town. This is normal. We allow it. Thank you. You know, you already know all these properties, right? Yes. I haven't seen him for a long time. Anyway, okay, okay. Okay, so, uh, anything else, Lisa? Uh, regarding SNG. Yes. No. Uh, other than that, you know, we have some video footage and so on, but for the first round evaluation, here's what we have. OK. And usually the committee at this point decides whether we want to make a proposal and vote on a recommendation for first- round approval to the county council. Uh, does anyone have any questions we can ask or , uh, any concerns about this ? One question I have is , does this fall under green belt funding, or have we already decided how we're going to do it? Yes. I think so. And that would be a logical source of funding, in my opinion, for this project. And so, uh, I think when it gets to that point where we're ready to fund it, I think it will be, you know, depending on the committee's decision, it will be a recommendation that we send to the county council as part of the second round. Well, if we can't use the green bell in something like this, then what is it for? Perfectly. Has the county decided to come to us for advice on greenbelts, or is there nothing, I would say, official, but I think they are waiting for us to start doing them and expecting us to make those recommendations. Good. Is that fair? Yes. I brought this up in a meeting, and sometimes when I bring these issues up I think they're simple, and then it turns into a long discussion. And every...well, isn't all agriculture applied? And I do n't think the purpose of this was public access, and I said, "No, this is one component..." Anyway, I think it ended up being that they can recommend whatever they want. Yes. And I think the context of this project in this discussion is that , you know, I think we can see from the evaluation that number three, the agricultural aspect, is the one that's going to get the highest score, and it, uh, almost got all of its potential points on average. And while other categories have much weaker scores. Hmm, it just reinforces the fact that this is probably a very logical option for tax abatement type financing for the greenbelt, as opposed to bond financing, which, as you know, includes all of these categories as part of the assessment. So, my opinion. Other thoughts, comments? There is a small error. My fault. Number seven. This is out of 10, not out of 15. So I apologize. Everything is fine. Mr. Chairman, could you remind me and everyone else what the first round recommendation includes? What are we asking the council to do? Um, basically, that we are interested in the project. We believe that this is, uh, a project of sufficient importance for, uh, potential funding, regardless of where that funding comes from, but as part of our program, we recommend approving a move to a second round, which is more of a due diligence process and, uh, a specific request for funding assessment, all of the things that we don't know right now, the cost, you might have an idea. But that's not part of it, is it? And the applicant may have an idea, or, um, their representatives , but, um, yeah, we don't typically ask for that at this point and we don't approve a specific amount at this point. Of course. Hmm, our precedent. It seems, you know, to me it's quite similar to, um, the Silva Farms project. You know, a little further in the center of the valley, but there's a beautiful view from there. I'm sure you can see it from certain parts of the highway, although I haven't checked, but, hm, I think it's appreciated. I think we are all on the same page with our assessment. So that's, um, encouraging. I agree. Hmm, I know when I was there, hmm, because the site is west of the stretch of Highway 91 between Richmond and Smithfield, and you can see the highway from Richmond to Smithfield from the site. So you can see cars, trucks, and anything else that drives by. So, on the contrary, they will be able to see this area. Not that they would necessarily be able to see it. It's not necessarily obvious to them, but part of the agricultural context, um, which is part of the location in the valley. I think my score was below average for this because, thinking about 30 years in the future, if there is development along the highway , you won't be able to see it. So I would rate it higher if it was closer to the highway. Agree. Yes. Agree. I think so too. And I-I appreciated it the same way . I think the GPA shows it. Yes. Um, for the scenic views and the gateway to the valley. Yes. Good. Um, what do you think, committee members? Can you at this point make a recommendation, um, as part of the proposal? What would you like to do? Do we have the wording of the last proposal that we submitted so we don't have to start from scratch, or do we think we know what it is, but yeah, that's it...uh, I don't have anything in front of me, but it would be to recommend to the county board first- round approval for this SNG Bloom Haven LLC project. Can we add a specific request for consideration regarding green belt funding? I think that's perfectly acceptable. Yes. What do you think? I think you should mark it there. I am making a suggestion. Do you want me to try to come up with a word or an apology? Try it. regarding the SNG Bloom Haven request, uh. I am making a motion that we take it to the county council for first round consideration, along with the fact that this will use green bond funding. Could you please speak into the microphone? That's all. Good. So, uh, a motion to recommend to the County Council approval of the first round of SNG Bloom Haven LLC, uh , approval to the County Council, uh, with the recommendation that it be funded by a greenbelt recovery tax . Okay, we have a suggestion. Is there a second offer? Yes, I support it. Okay, so we have a " Welcome, Eric" proposal. We have a suggestion in the second sentence. If you don't feel comfortable, uh, joining the vote, you can of course abstain. Or do we just, uh, Rin has made, uh, a motion to recommend approval, first round of approval to the county council, with, uh, the suggestion that this would be , uh, a great candidate for green bell tax reduction funding. Uh , and then Claire seconded it, and we're ready to vote. Uh , is there any further discussion or question? And that's roughly what I meant. So, okay. Good. Everyone who is "for" says "I do." Er, "me." Is anyone "against"? Good. So let's see . Debbie, I think, uh, you can let us know when you're ready for round two. Okay, thank you. Uh , okay. Our next item is a preliminary application for connection to BST Eagle View. Uh, and this one is in your packages. It's a very, uh, unique place, a little different, I think, from anything we've seen before. So, uh, Lisa, I think you have a short presentation that you can give us, okay, on that. And then one thing I'll ask after your presentation is can we just open up the property layer and zoom out a little bit , because there are a few points I want to make about this project or this application. Okay, we can do that. Okay, that's not reflected on these maps. Yes, uh, there are two sections to this application. They total 17.35 acres minus one acre they want to reserve for each lot. So the total conservation easement they are requesting is 15.35 acres. Uh , this place is in Providence within Providence. Zoning, uh, R12 within Providence. So that 's a minimum of 12,000 residential buildings. Uh , again, the owners want to keep one acre for each of the lots. As for the agricultural lands, they are of local importance, and part of them, the western part, is of local importance, and the rest is unclassified. Trails run along them according to the master plan. And you can see, if you see my cursor, the deer fence goes through here. And there is a trail, whether it is part of the master plan or not, along this deer fence. And it looks like there's another proposed nature trail and future BST easement on the map , which could possibly be a future trail. The owners propose to discuss access to the trail from the cul-de-sac on East Eagle View Drive. There are no wetlands or water bodies on the sites. It is next to the urban wildlife interface area and I assume it will extend here. This is a critically important habitat for flies, for winter forage. There are no wetlands or bodies of water, and oops. Yes, this is a presentation for these areas. I think the applicants are here. Perfectly. So, if, uh, the applicants are here or their representatives, please come up and tell us about your project. That would be great. Yes. Come up to the microphone so we can record you for a moment. Hello, I'm Hans Peterson. Uh, my wife and I own these two plots. Uh, we offered, uh, 1 acre per lot, but that's not a final decision either. Uh , we're just considering options at the moment. We seem to have reached out to Eric Ellison a year ago or maybe a little earlier. Yes, if you remember. Yes. Just trying to get a feel for the temperature, and I think at that point it was probably warm, the best option for doing something with this property. I think we were talking more about trails, but, uh, now, uh, the Bonneville Shoreline Trail that runs through there, as I think it's called now. This is just a prescribed easement. He is not registered. There is no document confirming ownership. Hmm, we were suggesting maybe, or thinking about building a larger parking lot there in the cold bag, and then building some kind of trail system to the trail. This is what we are open to. Hmm, we're open to ideas for a deal. Yes. Hmm, we know it's zoned for 12,000 square feet, like you said, Lisa. Hmm, so that's a pretty high density of development even for this area. Hmm, we were contacted, you know, of course the neighbors want it preserved, right? But, uh, there are a lot of people who walk the trail who have asked us, you know, that it would be great if we could preserve it, you know, and that has prompted us to look into it, you know. Yes. Hmm, it's in the green belt now. Hmm, there were cattle there this year and we will continue to keep them for now. Yes . Good. Do you have a question for me? I think that would be great. Yes. Question. Did the city of Providence reach out to you , or did you reach out to them? I had some small discussions with Ryan Snow, but nothing substantial. There was a time when they wanted to put a city park there, but instead they bought, uh, a plot on the south bench. What about the district? Have you talked to the people in charge of the county trails? I am not. Good. They are here. They will probably be interested in talking afterwards. I am personally very interested in this because I represent the estate. Uh, Paul Given died a few years ago. Next to three 40 acre lots adjacent to you. Uh, we were trying to find a way to have this 40 acres that's worth 120 acres, the strip above you, and the family intends to, uh, put a trail system there. Good. You know, from my perspective, I'm excited about this application, depending on how it works, just because it could be a kind of connection...what we really need... uh, is access to this. You know, we have an easement to the existing deer fence trail that runs through it, but, you know, if you look north and south, you can see that the deer fence trail itself is a line that runs through it. This is an existing deer fence. The property line is here, a black line to the east that runs all the way north of it, through a lot of, um, people's yards, basically. And this land above becomes quite steep, but perfectly suitable for a trail system. So I just expressed my interest in this, and, um, do you have any specific design intentions for this land? So, we know she's pretty cool. You know, there's only about a third of an acre below the deer fence. This is 30% or more. If you get into the county on the LAR, there is a lot of land there suitable for development. And how is it all, I mean, to give you a long story short, I think we brought it to market and we got inundated with developers and they wanted, they wanted to build it to the max. Um, my wife said she didn't want that. And then we...I've talked to Jack Draxler before about this, and, um, he's been on this site before, so we recently came back to this idea. Um, we have offers from several developers now. Um, we didn't take any of them , and we would prefer that the more we...and this is for my wife, she would really like to see this place low-rise or no development at all . And we even thought about not approaching the city, but even if it was just a small PUD or something like that, and preserving most of the land ... Um, we're open to preserving all of that, or, you know, if you want to collaborate in different ways. Sorry I don't have a more specific plan, but we're here to explore. Yes, that's it. Yes, great. Which makes sense. What I was going to point out, um, Lisa, is the area a little further south that says "natural resources." Crack. Crack. So what happened there, I think, assuming, is that they came and divided that section so that it ran along the BST. So you can imagine if you continued this north, right? There are a lot of areas, like, um , Mr. Peterson, that, um, could potentially do the same thing, where they either deed it or, um, buy that area or, you know, put an easement on it, something like that, just to cover the trail. So, um, and I noticed, I noticed, Mr. Peterson, in your application, you, you know, didn't talk to any of the conservation organizations or potential funding sources or anything like that. I don't know. If I'm just looking at it in a vacuum, it seems to me that an organization like the Division of Wildlife Resources would be very interested in this project, probably. That's why for the same reason, I would think. I would think so. Um, and we'll also get Landis' opinion and knowledge on this matter after Mr. Peterson's opinion. But, um, just a few things I noticed when I was looking at the site map for this proposal. One thing that the county still, I'm sure it's a very high priority for the county and for the state, is to create a sort of more permanent connector to the Bonneville Coastal Trail, and it's a critically important piece of property, so I think it's probably the only place where everything north is registered . Cities, as soon as development occurs, are required to register it, and, um, I think this is the only area where it is simply a prescriptive nature. Yes. As far as I know. In any case, okay. There is no other official access point to the trail. Are there any access points to neighboring property or access points to personal property to access this trail, um, to the deer fence up there. Unless you're going south to, um, Providence Canyon, or you're coming from the north through Dry Canyon. So, I mean, I would be really happy to finally find a solution where we just have an access point, and either a restroom, and a parking lot, and then a little winding trail there, across the steep slope of your lot, which gives a huge advantage to trail users if you want to get there. Um, here, let me, if you don't mind if I interrupt. Here. So if you put your cursor around there, we found the place where she, Lisa, put your cursor. We thought we imagined parking right there. There's something like a slightly flat place, a flatter place. Yes. Um, and we don't have here again, we haven't talked to the city, but if you can include some park, maybe they don't want to participate, maybe they do, but we like the idea of ​​a park there because it's a dead end, uh, because of snow removal and everything, and they understand that everything is fenced off now. Um, we had to fence it in just because there was a lot of it, you know, and plus we wanted to keep the greenbelt. Um, but there's currently no access from this point at all . Yes. And we're open to starting a trail, um, and maybe some conservation, um, again, like I said before, please, all of that, you know. Yes. One more remark. I know I'm talking a lot, committee members, but, uh, is this...I know this could potentially be a two-stage application for land preservation, open space, and also a trail application. And you know, as far as I remember, I'm speaking for myself, but I know that potentially our nonprofit trail organization in the valley district might be interested in partnering to provide, uh, the trail itself, help dig it, dig it, basically pave it and help dig it so that you don't have any costs. Um, anyway, I'm excited. Yeah, I see one thing, because I think the DNR could actually provide funding, maybe directly for this, to just take one whole piece away. What concerns me is that they closed, they closed all access, and that it's a pretty widely closed Winter Way trail. Yes. And to lose access to the Bonneville coastline. So I would like to do that. I mean, it has to be intentional. Intentionally, like, yeah, we're glad it's there, and maybe fence it in, maybe, yeah, do something to provide security on one side , but still have access on the other, to preserve that use, because I wouldn't want that to go away. Yes. I don't think there are a few places that need a little reorientation, maybe on the trail. Anyway, um, I, I think, uh, part of our conversation was, uh , to find some supporters, whether it's the city, the locals , or something that can say, describe the value, because we've had some landlocked properties before us that, which, so if you have a good use for it from a community perspective, then I, I, I thought that would add a lot of value to the... okay, the project. I appreciate it. I-I, we're open to that. We are open to actually being here again, we are not opposed to even selling the property, rather than just keeping it and retaining ownership, if that is appropriate. Yes. Well, in conjunction with the DNR us in the city, for example, if they're like, "Listen, I 'm in favor of it," and I can see that a lot of citizens in the area might actually support it. But I don't know, Claire , you really know, you know this area much better than I do. A few blocks from here to get there. Yes, it would be nice to have constant access. As you say, there is private access, but it could disappear at any time. This is the problem. And that's what worries me about the DNR: If they come in and want to buy these upper portions of the property, they might not allow access because they're very concerned about the deer fly habitat. Right. But they may be interested in financing a preservation easement rather than an outright purchase. This is true. I'm afraid this won't allow us to access the Gibbons site from the other side, but potentially we could work around that. Because for me, that would be fatal, because one of the main goals of this project is to facilitate this access. So, yes, and then, and then we...Yes. Yes. And as a bigger picture, you know, if you go even further out, uh, the Gibbons plots there, one, two, three square plots of 40 acres. Then north of that there is one square 40 acre lot directly to the left. This belongs to the Forest Service. Although, if you click on it, I believe there is no information there, but I was told that this square plot belongs to the Forest Service. If you zoom out a little more and look at the plots to the north , it's a very large area that forms a giant P shape. And these are the rest of the Gibbons plots. So that's a total of 300 acres that we'd like to find a way to open up for recreation and build a trail network there. The views from the top of your plot, they are extraordinary. Fantastic. The entire valley from north to south, Wellsville. You can see almost everything from the northern end of Paradise all the way to Preston. The trail is very often used now. Many people walk or ride bikes along the Deer Fence Trail. Very often. Yes. By the way, my favorite section here belongs to Brigham Young Academy. Yes, I saw that. Very coincidentally. Dates a long time ago. That would probably be before the year 900. Yes. That's right. It's not like that over there. So I'm curious. We have gathered here all the people involved in trails, and this is for fun. What is the future of the trail near the deer fence? I noticed that there was the coastline of Bonneville there. Yes. The trail near the deer fence, especially in contrast to the one east of it. Landis. What? The existing deer fence that we have is what we have currently tracing for the bottom line. There was some agreement that this would not be a permanent solution and it would eventually be moved further up the hill. Hmm, that was done outside the county. So it's not on our priority list. Uh -uh, but someday we imagine that will happen where it will be through negotiations with the landowners, and the city can just embrace the property lines, maybe draw out both the property owners and the line, but they need to negotiate. I would be happy to get in touch. I was one of the founding directors of the Castro Alliance, but I'm not... now there's a new, very good director. Her name is Allison Ward, and I would be happy to connect with her, introduce you, and then I think I would be very happy to talk to the property owners and talk to the city along with Landis and his team, if they want to get involved. But I think it's...I think it's something that the city...I've heard rumors...I can't speak for Providence City, but there needs to be a resolution to... um...the ownership issue. You see, the property line of these parcels is far from the current route of the deer fence trail as it is now. Yes. And the deer fence trail, by the way, is just a very straight road. We'd love to hear some people say they really like it, wouldn't you? Of course. Pros and cons. Yes, it would be really nice to have a topographic type that would be more in line with the topography than very steep slopes, which is a problem that occurs in Logan City on the north side. Hmm, there are sections of the coastal trail at the Logan City end that are pretty steep. Good. So, there are two on the south end, on the Providence side. Yes, shorter, but aggressive. Yes. We are open. So , trails, that's all. We would like to see something where there was ample parking because I think from our conversations I know a lot of people who live in the neighborhood and there was a lot of interest in good access. Not only that it's , you know, not just a ring, a dead end, because that's just not enough; It's dysfunctional there for many reasons, but it's something permanent. It could hold 10, 15, 20 cars, something like that. Yes. I think there are pros and cons for people in this area , right? Suddenly they will have easy access to it. Yes. How are they going to... How do they feel about accessing it by car, for example? Well, what I was told, and this is anecdotal, is that they would like to see him off the street. Yes. And have parking there. Hmm, for obvious reasons there were mixed reviews about the toilet. They would like to have it so they don't have to collect trash , but on the other hand, they don't want what can happen in the toilet if it is not taken care of very carefully. Committee members, also, if you've been following the news, there have been two public meetings in Logan City in the last few months . One of them recently...uh, was it the week before last? Yes, I attended both meetings. The issue in question is further north, quite... quite far north of these areas. Um, it's like the kids took over a section of the lower mountain slope near the Deer Fence Trail and built, uh, various jumps; uh, some incredibly talented builders and some very, very dangerous builders are building the series and the city. Uh, of course, when this was brought to their attention, they were very concerned about liability and so on. But at this last meeting, uh , Russ Aena, the director of parks and emergency services, and Landis were there with me as well. Uh, there's some, uh , easing of the idea that you'll never be able to ride there again. And of course, they need to stop construction, but the city is open to a formal application from a partner to lead the development of literally a mini-bike park in this northern neighborhood, uh , on the edge of Logan City, actually. And so they are looking for a community group or business to formalize a real application. And the question at this meeting was also where is the access, because there is no immediate access. Um , there are a few unofficial trails that go through the hole in the fence from different areas, but access from the north would be literally dry canyon, which, um, I don't know the distance, is probably a couple miles from your property to Logan Dry Canyon and probably a mile south. I think it's a mile... it seems when we measured it just on GIS it was about a mile to the Prof Canyons. Yes. And maybe twice as much or even a little more to the north. So again , access is key along this, this, there, like there's a hole in the fence south of us. Yes. But it will move into the development stage at some point, I think. Yes. And then to the north there's only one that goes through a man's yard, but there's no park there that's actually legal. So, it's not official either. None of these access points are official. So, again, we have a lot of people who come into this cul-de-sac, park for the views, and just sit there and relax. But we could get them out of this dead end and into a safer place for everyone, and then people could use it more . So absolutely. Well , great. So usually the next step for us would be to arrange a site visit. So are you ready to accept us there, or should we wait for an application? This is usually after submitting an application there. He submitted an application. Good. We have an application. Yes, yes. So, yeah, it sounds like you're pretty much in agreement on that. Yeah, and then I don't know what people's schedules are, but we often do it about two weeks apart. So, uh, on the 19th, maybe you're around somewhere , Mr. Peterson? I am somewhere. How does the committee feel about this? And I think I'm somewhere nearby. So, he said, " Can you contact Mr. Peterson and just confirm this once you check your schedule and so on?" Yes. And so we'll just arrive at the location and, um, review the packages at the same time. Good. Let's ask our questions. You can show us around. Tell us about it . Uh, we can see it with our own eyes. And then we, uh, usually go back and evaluate. You heard us discussing the evaluation of the preliminary application, uh , for the first round of approval. And so we will potentially do that at our next meeting, which will be in November. Good. First Monday of November. Sounds good. Good. So Lisa will contact you if you don't mind. I think working on getting something, like is this a city, like you said, boy, we'd love to have this, or however it's designed, to understand a little bit of direction, strengthens your application, but that doesn't mean your application isn't valuable as such, but I'll commit to talking to them before we visit the facility so we can discuss that. Does this work for you guys? Yes. As an access point. I know they would like that. Yes. I know the fire inspector would like to have access to...they talked about wanting something there, like if there's a landfill like... Yeah. They would like to have access to the deer fence so they can park the truck with the rags there. And so I think it could serve several purposes by doing something like that. I think given what happened on the island this year, it could be quite valuable. One more note for the committee: the trail access point, uh , from Providence Canyon north has one, two, three, three separate gates that are locked, uh, by the property owners . The two gates open practically to the width of a steering wheel if you wiggle them a little to pass sideways, but there is no access for emergency vehicles. So I understand why they need to be open. And I discussed it a little bit with Aaron Walker, and he would really like to have access. So I bet...Yes . Build your coalition a little. Yes. And this, I just know Aaron, so this was discussed back when we were talking about developing this. So do we recommend that he talk to the DNR as well? Um, I could potentially reach out to DWR since they have been coming to our meetings and expressing interest in the projects. Right. Um, and Lisa, you had conversations with this person. I can contact them and coordinate efforts to see if they want to come for a site visit, or if they would be interested in partnering on this. And I mean, that's the issue, and they can come, take a look, and we could let them know our concerns. Yes, yes. I'm with you, guys. I wouldn't want to interfere with that. That would be my only concern. Absolutely. This is about access and the idea of ​​these additional trails. Yes. You probably have a list of priorities as a landowner so you know what my first priority is, my second priority is, my third. I will contact Allison Ward at Castrols Alliance to see if they are interested in helping to discuss some of these partnership issues. And I, you know, they know people from the DNR, the DWR from Landis, and, you know, they could help with those negotiations so we could get some of those things agreed upon prior to the site visit. That would be great. I will do my part too. So, okay. Will Providence City be a partial, i.e., financing partner? Yes, I hope so. I think they will, and that's how we get the application for trails, it has to come from, and sometimes from, the municipality. Yes. Who will, who will support... the question becomes: why do we have... I mean, who will support... yeah, either the trail or the trailhead, if there's a trailhead, and if they say, " Oh yeah, we'll build a parking lot," you know, that gives us a strong sense that this is something that's going to move forward, and we're participating in something that the public will actually have access to ... well, yeah, I'll talk to them about that as well and just see what the best thing to do is just talk to them, and I know they wanted access, but what if when the time comes... I know they talked about grants, if we 're patient, there are grants that, in addition to these other conservation agreements that they could get involved in, maybe you and I can't. Yes. Uh, the district has had quite a bit of success with a few other access projects, two I'm referring to. The recent one in Mendon, at the start of the Deep Canyon Trail, it was...uh, you know, a bunch of partners that provided funding for it, right? Is the department... Yes? Uh, the city was a partner, the county was a partner, probably the Outdoor Wreck Y was a partner, etc., etc. And there is a nice new asphalt parking lot and restroom. And the same, whatever the name of the one to the south, the mirror Murray. Yes. Murray. The start of the Murray Agricultural Trail. Another one. Good asphalt. I don't know if it is paved. Very good parking. Yes. Uh, with a very nice toilet that allows people to access these two cases, uh, forest lands, public lands, like this . Good. So here they would not have direct access to forest lands. But other community partners would probably be the same. But the trail gives you access to a lot of public lands . It seems to open up this whole area. And it gets a little tight there near the canyon, I'm not sure what the distance to the canyon is. You think about a mile. I think about a mile south, you have to measure it with a GIS, but it seems like it was about a mile, and we assumed that to the mouth of the canyon, and that's access, as you say, there just aren't a lot of parks or anything like that. This whole area, a brand new area, existing areas can now have direct access through this section to connect to the coastal trail that connects Providence Canyon. We found that there are a lot of people showing up there who are sitting in a cold bag or want access, even those who are not from this area. They just love the place, the views, etc. And I think the views, when you guys visit this area, I think it sells itself a little bit. Yes. Yes, yes. I looked down at your lot and saw where the cul-de-sac is and heard rumors that there is a potential landowner there who might be interested. So somehow this rumor reached me. So I climbed up and looked at the area from above. Good. Thank you. We also want to remember that access should be applicable, whether it's a deer fence trail or something to the east, right? Yes. Of course. Multiple accesses. Yes. Multiple access points. Good. I think that's all for now. Mr. Peterson, we'll be in touch. We hope to see you in a couple of weeks. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Good. Um, our next agenda items, um, if I may, CD and E, I believe these are all Debbie's projects, right? Utah Agricultural Land Trust. Um, and , uh, Lisa, I don't know if you have anything in mind for presentations or if Debbie is going to continue from here. Lisa, is there another package or are these the ones? That's all. Well, I have. Everything is fine. This. I know. At least one of you had a hard time reading the package. Chris, meeting here. Good. Hello, committee. Thank you so much for, uh, taking the time to talk to me today. I want to present three, uh, hideout projects, of which, uh, two are adjacent. One has an angular, uh, connection to the others. Uh, this first one I'm going to talk about belongs to the KMBB family. Uh, 9 acres, uh, a little north of 4400. It's a family farm that's been owned for generations. Uh, together with Appenzell and Appenzell East, this will create 42 acres of new protected area. We, uh, got an award from NRCS for a professional project, and , uh, this could be part of the Hyde Park Urban Trail. Could you move on to the next one, please? The Hyde Park City Master Plan has a master plan for the trail, uh, which you'll see in green and red dotted lines. These three plots are right in the middle, as you will see the star on the KMBB plot. So, it's a good fit for, uh, for the Hyde Park trail plan. Uh, this is the area itself. It runs through the Cash Highline Canal, which runs along the northern length of the site. You'll see this blue line, and it gives you an idea of ​​the, uh, historical, uh, Cash Highlight channel that's still used today. And then the last one, Lisa, is there another one? No, that's all. Good. Um, and another one. Yes. Can I just continue? Do you mind? Is this normal? Absolutely not. And I like this idea, because I just reminded you that we're a little short on time , and so they're connected . Debbie, what's great about these projects is that we're not seeing them for the first time. You brought them to us a little over a year ago, it seems, looking for funding that you managed to secure for these projects, and now they are back again. Yes. We are satisfied. Hmm, the rectangular area is directly opposite 4400 from the one I just talked about above. Um, Lisa, yes, this one. Um, above- KMBB. So you can see that they are a little adjacent. Um, 28 acres here. Um, not adjacent, three plots. Um, the landowner, uh, and his son, uh, submitted separate applications, and uh, for this one, NRCS sent $1.2 million as an award. And we're being considered by Lee Ray Mallister for both KMBB and these two, uh, other properties. Good. Again, this could be part of the Hyde Park Urban Trail plan . And if you go further, the purple color indicates these areas, and the orange color indicates the neighboring areas that we hope to protect. Yes. Can you tell me who is north of the KMD property? Mikkel. Uh, no, north. Hmm, I think part of the ML family. I'm not sure. However, Mount Naomi Farms... Yes, it's Mount Naomi, I guess. Yes. So, yes, that's part of ... Could you zoom out , Lisa? Yes. Wait. Uh, Keith Mikkel has 15 acres that are now protected by the Bear River Land Conservancy, I think. Is that right, Gabe? This is not true. Good. Got it. Good. So, that's what it is ...Yeah. Good. Where KMBB is located, right below it. Lisa, right there. There's K. Where's the dairy farm in relation to this? You're looking at it right there in K, KHM. Yes. Um, I think he expressed some interest recently in another piece of property, and I'm just curious how contiguous it would be, it would all be very contiguous, as a potential... um, there's SNG Bloom Haven right there, the bright green one, yeah, that's it, but it's not, they're under two different names, one was in SMG, uh, Bloom Haven, that's it, and the other was a dairy farm, an old dairy farm. Yes. So, this gets... We hope. We hope that this family will be interested in coming . So you have some island pro-er parts here, um, in the south, for the south. Return to the island. Can you go back to Appenzell? But the other two are adjacent . Good. So continue, uh, continue down, please. Good. And this is the same slide. Yes, this is the same slide that shows Don Correbridge's Appennel farm between these, uh, master trail plans for Hyde Park. So, again , it's really attractive from that perspective, and people will probably walk past them. Yes. And they welcome it . Actually, we're going to move on to Jess now, and that, uh, will illustrate it better. The channel above or here is the channel. Yes. And this, uh, this is Appenzell Farm East. This is Jess Corbridge, son of Don Corbridge, uh, on 28 acres. Jess has 7.4 acres, uh, with a high tunnel and cattle grazing. Uh, again , 42 acres with these three properties . NRCS has provided this property for 330,000. This is prime land. So it was attractive to NRCS for that reason. And if you scroll further, please, this is just an illustration of the property . He will be building a house on a lot that will be within, uh, building contours , and our CS requires, uh, building contours , and uh, plans another high tunnel if possible. Continue again, the purple color shows this property relative to the other two objects, and then continue. The same map you saw a minute ago, but with the asterisk showing Jess's property, and then this last slide is going to be important. Good. Um, they welcome access from the east side of the property. You will see a purple line at the bottom. Is that why I'm confused? I think this slide didn't appear. The black, black, um, section is where people are currently using the trail, and they look like they welcome that use of the property, which is an area that is protected by a conservation easement . Just imagine below, on the south side, Jess's father, Don Corbridge, owns another plot, and he welcomes public access to this, um, 1.2- acre strip. So they're looking forward to public use, ahem, and a trail system running through their land. A portion of Dawn's property, 1.2 acres, is not within a conservation easement . So this is something we will have to negotiate with the landowner regarding allowing public access to that land. So it will be Lisa. Yes. Hover your cursor a little lower. Yes. And that's, yeah, right there. So this is a section, and the eastern part of it will be available for...Yes, for public use as a public trail. In general, what, uh, for public use, what will they be...uh, how will the land be used? Will they be involved in farming? Will they farm there? Yes, the grazing of animals will continue, yes, yes, and this is a farm. NRCS funds this as agriculture. Yes, yes, yes, but one of their goals is to, uh, provide a public benefit. Uh , they're really committed to this idea. So trails are important to them, and they want to make it possible. In fact, Jess pointed out that people are already using these trails. Uh, is that stated in the NRCS application so that it would be allowed? NRCS should... They shouldn't make inquiries and not let you know if you'll have trails. I think you've told us something about this in the past, like whether they're going to build a trail or have a trail or something. Yes. You have to be a little smart with NRCS and the trails because their programs are funded specifically for long-term protection of farmland based on farmland, and they've had cases where I've talked to people at NRCS that I work with in Idaho where they wanted to through farmland and the solution at the national level was something that wouldn't work. So there are certain dances. Yes, I know that on what we were looking at, uh , in Providence or Nibley-Providence, I guess we would have had that discussion at the beginning to make sure that the NRC, if it was allowed, it would be on the NRCS envelope, right ? I will look into this in more detail. Thanks, Matt, for this information. Yes. And I think, you know, at least my interpretation of the trail mapping that I've seen related to these projects and, uh, the broader area, the trails that they show are on this channel right away. So, it is directly adjacent to the site. Yes. Whatever it is, you know it wouldn't be a problem for the easement because it's separate, right? And sometimes you need to have the blessing of the landowner, even if it's adjacent. Yes, of course. We value properties adjacent to trails because open space users benefit from it . Yes. Landis, can you update us on the current situation, you know, I know there have been issues with the channel owners for a decade. And , uh, you know, this canal is underground now, right? Are there currently any communications, negotiations, or agreements with the companies that own the canals regarding permission, even permission for an official trail? Companies in the water district on this side of the valley have trail support if the landowner around them supports them. Yes, they don't want to interfere between the end user and us. But if we have a deal with land that is on the canal, the company will not take responsibility for the trails. So, we have almost all of the free trails east of all three canals, east of Main Street, already have trail segments built. Yes, that's great. Do you know anything about this particular channel? Uh, I know Smithfield has all its city limits. I think all these canal trails are complete. The park is working on this, specifically in its...I know in the past the barrier supported all the roads, but not the auxiliary trails, any bridge between the high park along the canal. Yes. So, this is kind of a barrier in our... Okay. Yes. If we could get the property owners to agree to the terms of the easement... And it seems like they are open to providing public access, as you shared... And in my opinion, that would be access not through their property. This would be access through the easement itself. Yes. And I'm trying... It looks like there's, uh, a separate land there...Yeah. You see, there is something like a gap between them. Yes. If you click on it, it cannot be identified. But there is something that needs to be explored, right? Yes. Where exactly should this trail be? Yes. So, as with the last applicant, this is usually the stage of the process where we arrange a site visit to look at these projects. Yes, of course. Are you and the landowners ready for this? Yes, absolutely. Good. Yes. So maybe we'll just ask Lisa to get in touch with us and see what we can plan. It would be nice to see them all in one trip, right? Yes. Yes, that sounds great. We are looking forward to it. Make sure we invite them all on the same trip. Yes. Are there any more questions for Debbie? Uh, Monday. Good. I'm just thinking about Monday next week, can we combine that with, um, that would be great. We have 12. That might be too many . It would probably be too much. Probably too much, I would say too. It would be two different days. So, next Monday, the 12th, if you're ready, that would be good. Oh, that would be good for us. Yes, I would recommend the 12th or the 26th . Good. Actually, next Monday is a day off. Yes. Oh, yes. For many people, you are right. Great for me. OK. So, the 26th—that's what I would... Okay. Throw it away if it doesn't. Good. Well, let's see what we can come up with. Sounds great. Thank you . Good. Thank you, Debbie. Good. Hmm, next on the agenda is the conservation easement project, phase 2 of Evan Ranch. And, hm, let's see. Lisa, did you also have a presentation for this project? Yes. Good. We'll give you a second to gather my slides here . Good. Oh. No, that's not it. This is on the highway to the reservoir. This is great. Drunk driving right there. Yes. Do you want to talk to your slides, or just give me a quick talk? I don't have any slides, but I'd be happy to talk. Okay, I'll just be brief. Yes, if you want. So, we're talking about a parcel, uh, two parcels and a portion of a parcel, um, that's zoned, um, FR40 in the county. It's near Avon. Uh, this is the Evans Ranch Face 2 easement, and I apologize. Uh, these two plots, and this plot is already mostly under a conservation easement, but is this sagebrush? No. So bear form, protection and Utah department. Good. Yes. Perfectly. And that's just this segment. If you follow my cursor here on the screen, this little corner is not currently under a conservation easement. So that would be ... sorry. I can't hear anyone. Oh, okay. I'm trying. I speak louder. Sorry. Uh, these two areas plus the southwest corner of this area are what is being considered or proposed for protection. It is about 112 acres, give or take. And, uh , currently the status of agricultural lands is as follows: some agricultural lands are of national importance, some are of local importance, and some are unclassified. As you can see, along the right-of-way , the road that runs through it, runs the master plan of the trail. And, as you can see here in the satellite image , there is a canal. As far as I understand, it has yet to be determined whether it is possible to build a trail along this section. There are wetlands and reservoirs here. The East Branch of the Little Bear River runs through it, as you can see. And there are wetlands associated with this river. This is part of the Urban Wildlife Interface Zone and there is significant wildlife in this area. It's east of the Porcupine Dam , which is further out here, I mean west, sorry. Porcupine Dam is to the east. Is that Porcupine Road that runs through it? Yes. Good. At the southern end. I have some information here. Yes, that's right, that will show you where it is. So, it's right there. Existing easements for nature conservation are marked in pink on this map. We have already done several of them . Several of them belong to other organizations. And the East Fork Little Bear River Wildlife Management Area is marked in blue. Can you show this property map, and I think it will help to understand what we are talking about? Good. And I know you're short on time, so I'll be pretty brief, but, you know, it's essentially 112 acres. Hmm, this is adjacent to a 054 acre conservation easement that we closed in 2023 with the same landowners. And that will burden everything between East Canyon Road and this existing conservation easement, which also abuts the wildlife management area. It's about 3/4 mile... sorry, you said it's adjacent to...This is whoever owns the land right on... This is DWR resources. Okay, that's what I thought. This is a classification of lands on which DWR generally does not want to build trails. Wildlife management areas. This is true. Okay, this wildlife management area is large, as I understand it, and it's certainly worth the conversation we're going to have with them , but a big part of the purpose of this wildlife management area was to do with the river and to provide access for fishing. Therefore, it may be slightly different from some of your winter pastures. Good. This also provides winter pasture. Yes. Hmm, but that's something we need to figure out in the future. It's a wonderful area there. This is a nice property. There are several photos there. Hmm, we've already worked with Cole and his family on an existing conservation easement. So they know, to some extent, what they're getting into. They had a lot of patience with this issue, but we got it sorted out shortly after I got here. If it were up to them, they would protect this area with that area. Um, when we came to the project, everything was planned differently, and now we're going back to that. I think it has a lot of value in terms of open space because it's on both sides of the road. This is a truly picturesque area. Um, it also meets other wildlife requirements, and, yes, the coastal corridor and waterway, which we haven't written about as often in the applications. Yes. So you have a pretty large riparian corridor that, um, is mostly brown trout and creeks, but there's actually a DWR pedestrian access point on their property at the north end. Um, they're planning to continue it now, unless they have any further problems with it. This access will not be provided through an easement. They would prefer it to remain with this part of the pedestrian access, but they are open to considering the possibility of a trail on this existing canal right away. How does this trail connect to and pass through this part of the DWR ? How does this pedestrian access work ? What does this mean? to walk , essentially, for access to the river, and is that... Uh, no, I mean they do it for fishing and hunting, I mean it's a program through the Division of Wildlife Resources. And I mean, these guys can probably explain it better than I can, but I know from a user perspective, you know, like someone with a hunting or fishing license who wants to hunt on private property, the landowner can register it in their program, and you keep registering. So it's like a program they call a CMR type, I can't. No, this is a separate distinction from CMR. Yeah, I think, I don't know if you're, maybe talking about CW, I think about the access that we've developed here. This is the access that leads to the river from the county road. There is parking right there. Um, yes. We allowed you to walk. The problem is that we irrigate and I have sprinkler lines and stuff. So it was hard to let people drive to the river because they would drive over your sprinkler pipes. Yes. So, we have barrier-free access , and it's just a block away from the east end of the Little Bear River and the fishing grounds. The river is now fenced on both sides, it is quite far from the river, and access is between the fences. So you have an average of 50 yards on each side, maybe a little more , uh, on each side of the river that we've opened up for access. And really, I didn't have many problems with the fishermen. Not really . This surprised me a little. So we renew access there with the state every year. So far, everything is working very, very well. Perfectly. Well, thank you for doing this, and thank you for sharing that it works for you. Well, yes. Sorry, but I ca n't hear you. Thank you. Thank you for doing this, for having this access. And as long as everything works well, we plan to keep it open and allow fishing access. And I said, "Really?" Have you noticed any problems with fishing? No, no, no, no. Every now and then you get , you know, line that breaks, on fishing hooks, and it's annoying, but it's not a big problem, but I hope you guys will take the time and go look at it. Yes. I really expect you to do it. Yes. And I invite you to come and see the area. I don't know if any of you have climbed to see salmon. Good. You were driving right through the middle. Yes. Oh, I've driven through this area many times. Basically, when you head into the Canyon, when you first come across the first cattle fence, that's where the territory begins. And I'm not going for the salmon. I'm driving this road because it's so beautiful. Yes. And this is the second phase of a larger effort to preserve the thousand acres that you guys preserved just a few years ago, right? And when you get out there, you can see that it's really obvious that we're talking about two separate types of property. Yes. Upstream from the canal is wildlife management . Uh, where did the people go after the Bear River Massacre, where did the survivors go, the survivors, that's what's on this property, and that's also what's along this, near the fishing access, is something that we have a long-term plan for, and we're hoping to clean up before we get the historical marker. Has Darren moved? Darren. Yes, he moved. He moved. Oh, I didn't know that. He moved. We planned right where these signs or access are, an area with some kind of monument that would be approved by the tribes, and basically you can look at what's called Witches' Side Pool . I have a feeling that the Sag Basin is this whole area. If you stop and think about what happened after the massacre, there were people injured. There were elderly people there . They did not rise to the top. They are down there now, in this area we are talking about. The second point would probably be where most of us were . Yes. Anyway, yes, I know you're short on time, so we'll try to make it easy for you, but we've ticked off all but one of the boxes on your application. Yes, we have received 112 acres from a landowner who has already made a conservation easement and we would like to assist you as soon as possible. That would be great. What kind of partners are you, uh , considering? Our initial plan is to seek 50% funding from NRCS and 25% from the county. And then, as in the case of the previous easement, the landowner expressed his willingness to donate up to 25% of the easement value. So the recipe is quite similar or familiar to us. Yes. Uh, so part of the reason I want to do this as soon as possible is because I would like to apply for the next round to NRCS . What is your opinion on this? So, I don't necessarily have any financial commitment to do this, but I want to be informed about the process and hear your perspective on how you feel about it and what the likelihood is. Um, the backup to ASA is that we have the RCPP program, served in Bearville, along with the Bear Land Conservancy and the Sage Step Land Trust. So if we are unable to obtain funding through ASEP AL, which is probably the most applicable NRCS program for this property, then we could consider funding through our RCPP, depending on priorities, also with St. George step trust in Idaho. Good. So, this is the situation now. OK. So, yeah, the next steps are: we'll ask Lisa to contact us and see if we can arrange a Monday soon so we can come over and visit, or another day, I guess. We're not stuck on Mondays, but we, uh, have a habit of choosing Mondays for this . So I will coordinate. Thank you. I have visited this place so many times. This is great. Road bike. Thank you, Mr. Evans. We are grateful. Are there any other questions I can answer for you? So, are there any more questions about the book? I have visited this place so many times. I think I know about it. Yes, I go there often. So I know where it is . I like to see that the entire mountainside to the north and northeast is already your thousands of acres there, and this is just a small plot to attach to it. Yes. Hmm, thanks again. And, uh , since we're short on time, I suggest, uh, we might have to postpone a few agenda items until the next meeting to, uh, make room. And so we were going to touch on, uh, the accounting report and the project financing process , but I guess Matt couldn't stay the whole time. So, uh, apologies to Matt, please, Lisa, and we'll see if he's available next time and maybe put him first on the agenda. Good. I think if he can come back. Thank you for listening to us. Of course. Thank you. We appreciate your interest. So, what else is there, committee members, for now? So, I think we need to take action on this. No, I don't think we need to take action on this. Hmm, but I think this issue will come back for further discussion and probably at our next meeting, but I'll let them decide how they want to handle it. So, I'm fine. I spoke to the family and said, "Before you proceed, you need to talk to your accountant and find out what you're signing up for." And that's probably what led to this change. Because it's a big deal. Yes. It's like a $4 million deal. So , and my train of thought was that this got the highest score of all that we got. If I were voting today, I would vote for an increase from the district. Yes. And I'm also interested in this. It's still a great value. When you compare the numbers I have, it's still a fantastic value for the campus. Our highest rated project. So, we'll talk about this in more detail next time. Anything else, committee members, before we adjourn? Good. So, without further ado, we declare closure. Thank you. Thank you all.