CACHE FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT 08-26-2026

We're good? Okay. K. Thank you. Welcome everybody to the Cache Fire Protection District Board of Trustees meeting today on 08/26/2026. To start our meeting, we will go ahead and start with the swearing in of all of the board members, and that will take place. LaShelle, who is here representing the the clerk's office, will do that. And if everyone will follow her instructions Hello, everyone.

Okay. Will you all please raise your right hand? The constitution of The United States and the constitution of the state of Utah. That the constitution of The United States and the constitution of the state of Utah. That the constitution of The United States and the constitution of the state of Utah. And that I will discharge the duties of my office with fidelity. And that I will discharge the duties of my

Even though it doesn't say I will accept the motion to accept the agenda. Decide to before we Madam chair, I I move to accept today's agenda and also Thank you. May I have a second? Second. Okay. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Okay. Thank you. Abstaining because I was not a member. Okay. At the point. Yeah. We have two abstaining. Thank you. We'll move on to the next item of business, which is the selection of board chair and vice chair. Given we have a new composition of chair of board, we will now have the opportunity to select new leadership.

I'll nominate mayor Rudy as chair.

I'll second that nomination.

K. We have a nomination of Mayor Rudy as chair. Do we have any other we have do we have a motion to close nominations?

Motion to close nominations.

Okay. Okay.

Before we do that, if I just a clarification, when will the new chair assume duties? Immediately. Thank you. Immediately. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Immediately.

We have enough attorneys in the room to go with that.

Okay. So we have a nomination for, Mayor Rudy to be the board chair. Well, all those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

K. I'm gonna vote on closing the nominations

first. Vote to close the nominations for board chair. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Now we will vote again. Thank you, Dave. On the, nomination Cash Fire Protection District Board. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? K. It is unanimous. Now we have, the choice for a vice chair. I'll nominate executive deans as vice chair.

I'll deans as vice chair.

I'll second that.

Kate, we have a nomination and a second. Do we have any motion to or any other motion to close nominations? Close nominations.

I'll second it. K.

We will vote on closing nominations. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. We'll vote on the motion on the floor. All those in for Executive Deans to be the vice chair. All those in favor, say aye. Aye.

Okay.

Immediately meaning immediately.

I will

turn the meeting over to Mayor Rudy.

Item agenda, item number Mayor Rudy, if I may, I wanna thank Catherine for her service. Yes, chair. Very much. I just found out I was vice chair. Anything you wanna say to me?

Not if we just found out. I knew you were vice chair. That's

who makes one of us. Yeah. Thank you, Catherine. Hard work. Thank you.

Alright. Moving on. Item agenda item number four, North and South Operations Committees, discussion and consideration of ratifying the organization of the North and South operations committees and the officers selected by each committee. Committee reports will begin at a subsequent meeting.

I'd like to talk a little bit about both both two separate committees. But before I do, I I think because this is the first time we've met, I'd like to introduce Mark Anderson, who was selected. Marcus is the only one here with a necktie on. So

Some introductions.

Mark, was selected previously as counsel for the fire board. I think it would be appropriate given issues in our history that we ratify that selection by this board. So I would like to make a motion that, we ratify his selection as attorney for the Cache Fire District Board. Second.

Because you, chairman Sorry.

It's a new job. Not used to my new role.

It's not mine. So there is a motion to ratify attorney Mark Anderson as representation. No.

I second it.

K. So we now vote on that? How do we vote? You can say all in favor. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

Mark, I I guess I could give you a bit of an introduction, but let me just say Mark has spent his life providing legal life, providing advice to special service districts all over the state. He is recognized as, frankly, the state premier expert in that small niche And he's now resident in the fine city of Nibley in Cash County, although he retains his his position at a leading Salt Lake law firm. And he's been providing advice for us for a number of weeks. Oh, check this out. And I'm a proud Aggie.

Proud Aggie. Chair, I neglected to as one the brief minute I was chair, to introduce the new members of the board. Do you think it would be appropriate to from the meeting that was held last night? Since they were appointments from the executive, do you would you please introduce I'll be happy to introduce

them. The members of the board. I'm gonna introduce the old ones and the new ones as well because we all have been reappointed. Dave Erickson, who represents the South North. Northwest. I'm moving. He's just North. We don't want anyway, he's a council member. He represents a district in the northern area of the county. Kathleen Alder, who is the mayor of Providence, Ed Fuest, who is the mayor of Minden, myself, county executive, Aaron Moody, who is the mayor of Smithfield, Lindsay Peterson, who is the mayor of North Logan, Catherine, who is a rep a council member who represent a South District. Larry Jacobson, who is mayor of Nibley. Tiffany Atkinson, who is the new mayor of Hyde Park. Steve Miller, who is the mayor of Hiram. And Gary Bodley, who is the mayor of Lewiston.

Thank you.

I I meant to get to the subject you you opened before we revert it. No problem. I think it would be helpful for us to talk a little bit about item four and five together. If if you were present last night and have been engaged in some of our earlier discussions, I think there's a a a real sense that that we ought to have some people who are experts in fire involved in the organization. To some extent, we all recognize that there are there's there's a difference between what we're doing in the North and what we're doing in the South. And in recognition of that, we earlier set up a North and South committees that have been meeting as such for a month or month and a half now. It's at that level where I think, some technical expertise is necessary. So when we talk about putting a technical operations committee, I think we would actually be best to put that as part of the operations committee in the North and the South. Because I I know, Steve, when we've been meeting in the in the South, your buyer chief has been involved directly in that. We know that chief George has been directly involved in that, and the same thing happens when we go to the North. The fire chiefs and the technical people are involved in that. Plus, we've had Paradise

chief. We've had the Wellsville Police or the Police, the Chief.

And and so we get a good mix and pretty good technical discussion, George. Yeah. I I think so. And I don't know that that's recognized that this board is is going to be deferring to that. But I also thought, some of the comments about having some people who are skilled, who for example, Casey Snyder, has been attending some of those meetings. He'd he'd be a great addition if we wanted to make him a member of this advisory's south committee. And is direct the committees on the North and the South, these two committees, to take a look at that group of people who wanted to be involved in the fire district and bring them in at that level. I think that the level where we need them at, not at this level. Larry, is that your thoughts too? Yeah. I agree,

George. I you know, there was discussion last night about putting technical expertise on this board. Board. I appreciate that discussion. I also think that what you suggest is the better level for incorporating that technical expertise. For example, Nibley city council and, an oversight board for the has no attorneys, has no city managers, has no planners, city planners, land use planners, has no,

law enforcement officers. Is there an engineer?

Has no civil engineers function has no civil engineers. I'll leave it at that. There is a one nerd on there. But that but that's I believe what an oversight committee this committee should be doing. And then we gather that technical expertise. I think through the through the subcommittees, I think we can make it very efficient to have that input be available through those committees. And then, and then, you know, the chair at your discretion at this board's discretion, we can ask for that technical expertise to be heard in these meetings when it's appropriate. So thanks for the opportunity, George. I I I have to speak. I think that's

I think this is a good move. So so what we could do is we actually have an organization in the South and an organization in the North. We could supply the list of people who applied to be on the fire board and let them choose who they think might be helpful from that group and add them to the North and South committees. They're advisory committees, so it's not like they're, they're going to control what's done at this level. But I think that gives us a pipeline to that assistance that we need, and and frankly recognize that the fire chiefs and the city managers and the others that are involved at that level.

So I I agree, George, and I think that that's where the actual nuts and bolts of this decision are being formed. So I think that's the right place for them to be involved. Do we need a motion on this? Yeah. I I guess I I make a motion

that we ratify, approve the current organization of the North and South committees and the leadership of each of those committees. I believe the leadership and the secretaries have been decided already, and I would simply move that we recognize that and make that a part of the organization. And I think it those committees that ought to look at building their technical expertise by adding some citizens, like the the fellow that was here that was involved with the Weber operation would be excellent. I think putting Casey Snyder on the South Committee, Steve, would be really excellent because it also gives the pipeline to the legislature, and we may need some legislative adjustments. So it it doesn't need to be additional, but I guess a better form of a a formal motion. I move that we confirm and ratify the organizations of the existing North operations committee and the South Operations Committee, and direct those two committees to consider the applicant to the fire board and add those members as they determine would be helpful in their determination of operations. They being the committee? The committee. The North Committee and the South Committee will decide amongst those people

who to add. So there'll be a discussion on those individuals. Yes. Okay.

And I'll I'll furnish their names to both the North and South Committee, and I would encourage you to look at them. And and maybe form two or three of the people on the South Committee might come up with some names or however we want to do it. But I I think those people offering to give us their expertise, we ought to take advantage of it.

Mister chair, I'll I'll give you a second so that we can continue discussion on this. Thank you. No more discussion? No more. I I have a question. Yes. In the South, you've been meeting and my thanks to my fellow practitioners and mayors in the South. I'm I'm I'm very impressed with the cooperative effort that we have achieved by digging in and working on details together. So thank you for that. That we should be subject to the Utah Open Public Meetings Act. And I'm not sure if that was the correct decision. We went with that out of caution. And I will ask us to answer that question as we as we formally form these committees or follow-up

at our next meeting like the committee's. Why don't we why don't we deal with the motion to confirm these two committees and then seek legal advice with respect to that question? Okay.

Then I'll reveal why I asked the question because I'm prepared to offer an amendment to your motion Okay. That might help and that is

He did. He's mayor Jacobson did.

I seconded it so we could discuss the motion. Yes. And so my, my amendment would add the word advisory into the title of both of these committees. So it would be the North Operations Advisory Committee and the South Operations Advisory Committee to make it clear that this board is where the buck stops.

The movement will accept the proposed amendment and incorporate the same in his

motion.

Second. Do you have a second? Oh, for the discussion. Yeah. I I'll second. I'll second it. Takes a second. I'll second the amendment. Once you made the motion, it belongs to the board. I'll second it. So now the the board should discuss the motion to amend.

So is there any discussion to the amendment? I think it's appropriate.

I I agree. I like that. But I do have one question that I guess we can probably ask the lawyer and to everybody. Are these going to be standing committees? Meaning that they are they or or just advisory committees, which can then are very fluid?

My understanding is they were to be fluid, but

maybe I This because I'm understanding the meetings are the ones that are set up for an organization that they're they're solid. You know, they're you maybe we will have a north. You'll have a south, and they will be totally functioned. Advisory committees, really don't carry a whole lot of weight at times. They just kinda just gather information. But I'm I'm wanting to raise them to a status so that they are standing maybe standing advisory committees where they are, like, solid and and part of, again, our organization.

I would treat that as a an additional proposed amendment proposed amendment, and the movement would also accept

that. I'll I'll second that. It's a standing committee.

I I don't wanna complicate, but I I just think that the standing committee is

is a you know, that's a definite go to. I think that's how we're treating them with leadership of those committees anyway.

Yeah. So how does that give us an idea how that impacts this board when you say, you know, they're standing. What what Well, it it it it it becomes a permanent structure.

How I understand it becomes a permanent structure of the fire district is you're going to have the fire district board, then you're under under us. There'll be a a standing committee. They may have advisory roles, and we can define a lot of that within a bylaws. Right?

If I may. Yes. I went through the wrong place in the unit. I'm sorry.

If this motion passes, I'll include that in finance.

And who appoints those people?

The committees themselves. The committees themselves.

By motion. Motion read if I heard There.

We're accepting the appointments that have already been made.

We we actually already have membership on those committees. So it so it reaffirm that membership

plus add some more? Yes.

And that's what your motion said, that we would accept the current structures as is with a charge to include more. Yes. And we may want to end bylaws. You may then put a finite number on those advisory committees.

That's all that's all coming to bylaws later. Yeah. I think this is all all consistent with what we're trying to do with respect to the organization of the North Yeah. And the organization of the South is recognizing that the operations approach in the two ends of the county is inherently going to be different.

Okay. I think we could I I'm sorry. Oh, go ahead. I appreciate it.

I think bylaws is the appropriate place to specify these committees as standing. I actually don't want the title to get too long despite my motion. K. So for me, I would I would like to see the standing part of the committees in the bylaws, but I think the advisory part should be in the name of the committee.

Alright. It's a point well taken. Mhmm. We we just need to set it up. I think to your point, mayor Jacobson, I think we need to set it up in the way that we want it. I think the actual title is

is not necessarily important in terms of signaling what those committees are. So maybe we can

vote on Dave's really made it an official of of, you know, second amendment to that. But I I if you're friendly with it just to add on to the standing advisory committee, we can include that in your motion if you'd like.

Advisory committee or board?

Advisory committee. Committee. Definitely not board. Not board. I think it was just direction to give to the to our legal counsel to include it in the verbiage. It was more than anything, but maybe not.

So no need to vote on. I'll let the chairs work this out. Yeah. Yeah. What motions are So are we in point of order?

You know what the motion is on the floor? I think the motion on the floor is whether to designate the designate the committee as standing. We've got a motion or we not made it a motion. I did not make that as a motion. I dropped that up. I I basically, it was a clarification Okay. Clarification and a question. Okay. So we just have mayor Jacobson's motion? Motion to amend. Given that that isn't a motion, then we're back to Larry's

motion. That's Larry. It started out as an amendment,

but when you incurred and included as part of yours, it's no longer a separate. Right. It it now included as a part of my motion. So we're just voting on your motion. Right. The and maybe I should restate the motion so you can wrap that motion. That we're ratifying the organization and the membership of the North Advisory Operations Committee and the South Advisory Operations Committee and their existing membership and their existing leadership. And we're directing them to add to consider adding to those committees additional technical and expertise in different to be decided by each of the committees.

To advise this board. To advise this board. Yeah.

Okay.

I think that's the motion. That's the motion. We have a second. Second is calling. Okay. I'll second. I'll second that amended motion.

How do we vote? Everyone in favor, let's say.

Aye. Aye. Any opposed?

Okay. That passes.

Can I make a motion that we we call the South SOAC and the North NOAC?

I mean, you know, we live in the day of acronyms. Right?

SOAC and NOAC. Okay. Not NOAC. North Operations

advisory committee and South operations advisory committee. I thought it'd be so what and no way. But you come up with a not acronym for it. So I can know what.

Mayor Rudy, can I Yes, please? Last night, George, when you appointed the members, you said every other one would be two year? By by number. Right. And you read a list of numbers, but yet the list that was up on the board was different. So we just need to clarify what I So we we just need to clarify who to your I actually signed a resolution,

and it has the numbers in it. Okay. And it was my resolution, and then they advised and consented to it. And they put the the names up in a different order. Could you just tell us who? Yes. Just to keep it

We did a different order. Oh, let's see. Our lives.

So you guys can guess which order you are. Well, I'd like to tell you it was a lot of thought went into it, but it there wasn't a lot of thought into it. Okay. Here it is. This is a copy of of my formal. These are the two year positions. Trustee number one, mayor of Smithfield, Aaron Rudy. Trustee number three, mayor of Nibley, Larry Jacobson. Trustee number five, mayor of Providence, Kathleen Alder. Alder. Trustee number seven, Mayor of Lewiston, Barry Bodley. Trustee number nine, Council Member David Erickson. Trustee number 11, County Executive and George Dain. Let me just clarify. The way the state statute reads is it's a two year term, but it begins January 1 after the year of your selection. It's about two and a half years? So two and a half years? Well, it's it's two years plus from now till the end of the year. And that's two and four. So the other ones are all four years. And it the state statute even tells me I have to do it by law. It said by chance. By chance means the same thing as by law. And in full disclosure, it's four plus years. Is that correct? Well, it it it the end of this year, and then your four year term begins on January 1. So we're all serving on free time right now?

Gotcha. You have been the whole time. Okay. The last seven months. Right?

Yeah.

And some people may not be running again. Well Two. To so Let let me just make it clear. There is nothing at this point

There is nothing at this point, there may be something in the future, but at this point, it doesn't require people to be mayors. It simply said in your case, you have to be from the at this point, it doesn't say anything. The bylaws that I'm going to propose and that Mark is working on would say there is a district called Providence, and one one trustee has to be from Providence. Okay. So there there is no intent. Now I think I've been instructed by by you, Mark, that we don't need to say elected official to make this can't I? What? We can't. We can't. So that

k.

And that's all still there in statute.

K. Now are we moving on to item six? Any other discussions? Yeah.

Still learning my my job here. You're doing great. Thank you for being patient.

Item agenda number six, CFPD financial operations. Discussion regarding the financial operations of the CFPD, including the the CFPB, including the relationship with the Cache County Fire Department, participating municipalities and unincorporated areas, the voucher system, interlocal agreements, and contracts with participating municipalities.

I'm gonna pass out a draft. I think I have enough for everyone, and then one for the secretary and maybe one for Mark. I don't think I have enough for members of the audience, but they should be familiar with this. I'm I'm really not proposing that anything necessarily be approved today, but I think it would be important for the fire board to kind of understand what the financial elements of the district look like. All of the cities and the unincorporated area have a taxable value. So the the first column is a description of the cities. If you look down there in the middle, you you see a list of the cities divided by South and North, and then I've divided approximately the South County unincorporated and the North County unincorporated. And that has the taxable value of each of those areas. So the South cities have a total of 5,000,000,000 plus in, taxable value. The North has a taxable value of about 5.8. So, Tiffany, if you look down here at your city, Hyde Park, you have $966,000,000 worth of taxable value. Taxable value.

Value.

I've put a couple of other numbers below that. We recognize that Providence and River Heights are not now participating in the EMS EMS because they're with Logan or Fire. So the remaining EMS participants amount to $4,000,000,000. Again, that's not interesting to the North, but it is to the South. In terms of what is unincorporated versus incorporated areas, that's broken down on the bottom. There's a a billion 571,000,000 of unincorporated taxable value in the North and the South end of the county, and the taxable value within the the, cash fire protection district cities is at 9.7 or 800,000,000. If we take our current fire budget, which is 3,900,000, and say, okay. Where did that come from? Where did the county get the money? Among these cities based upon how much they each contributed to that. Let me just say in doing that, I have eliminated Logan. And as a result, this is actually a little higher, and and this is the amount that will be paid this year in property taxes from cities and the unincorporated area. So county unincorporated areas, and we have, a county unincorporated areas. And we have, a county unincorporated area, and we have, a county unincorporated areas. And we have fire zones. I think that's the right term in the fire zones for Paradise and Smithfield and so forth. I took the unincorporated dollars and spread them over where they would be what municipal fire department would cover that area. So for example, if you look down here at Paradise, Paradise and you just look across that column. They have a 141,000,000 in taxable value. So their share of the 3,900,000 is only $48,000, but they have a large number of of structures outside their city that are serviced by the Paradise Fire Department, and that's where that 91,000,000. The total of the county unincorporated areas in that column matches the 337 that's unincorporated. So, essentially, I've divided where that unincorporated service is being received from. Same thing I did down in the South. The the South has $590,000,000 of taxable value, which yield $203,000 in the North. And then that's distributed over who's providing that service. So, Erin, my calculations are that directly and through contracts, you're providing a 108,000 of that service to your Smithfield fire department. Have I done that correctly, Steve? I think it's that's right.

So the 43, back up on the South where you've got South County unincorporated, you've got Logan area. Is that

who's who's who's covering that? Who's covering the Logan area? Yeah. Logan is covering it.

Incorporated,

Ward and College Ward. Covering. Okay. And we we have a deal with Logan as to how that's gonna be

handled. So So is that in the subtotal for the South Of 43 or has that been

It it is in the subtotal for the South. Okay. So so that's what that third column is. Is. Now let me explain the fourth column. If we were to have the fire district fully organized by October 1 and operational, you would still have a quarter of the county budget that's unexpended. So the county budget is 3.9. You divide that by four. That's where the $977,000 come from. That's a if if the fire district took over the county fire department on the October 1, it would be fair that the county would would move a quarter of the budget over to the fire district so it would have a way to pay for the operation. That's the 977. What I then did is said, well, let plan on having to expend that over the next three months. So that $3.25 is labeled as expense fire district operations 2627. So we'd be spending that $977,000 to to pay for the existing fire department through the end of the year. Now we might start making changes if we were in charge of that fire department there. We would we would have the right to say we're gonna make the personnel changes or whatever, but we would get that fire district using the money we received from the county. That's what this and this is on a piece of paper. Nobody's made this decision yet. The county hasn't made the decision. The fire district hasn't made the decision. I'm just trying to let you understand where things are. Alright. Then the next column is November. Nothing much happens in November. I'll come back and talk about some things that happen that have to happen in November in terms of taxation. But in December, the money rolls in. So you see on the in the left, it says income from county, 2,026 property taxes. That's when the 3.9 gets collected. So that comes in. If we have the fire district operational and the county through the 2027 year. So that's why it's there. We still have to cover the fire department. And then in January, what I've done is I've taken that money and gone through the effort of saying, okay. Let's apportion that to the city based upon their taxable base. Now I used a a multiplier here of 95%. So that a city like North Logan or Providence, whose share of this money would be x, would receive x times point nine five, because we would keep that much to run get in the case of Providence and North Logan. Now it's 95% right. That's something we'll have to decide here.

Larry. Thank you. A very brief question. The share of 3,900,000, second column and taxable value shown for each city, as I calculated is exactly point three four four. So where did you apply in the math and the spreadsheet the point nine five multiplier? Was that in taxable

value or did you No. I I applied it on the the distributive shares of this money.

So the percentage of the overall budget that is from your city is that it's this share of 3,900,000

Yeah. No. Larry, just so you understand that. I I took what your share would be, and if you were receiving money for from the unincorporated area, I added that to it and then multiply the two times point $9.05. Okay.

And and it's a minor point. If if I work it out for Nibley, 294,500 divided by $856,200,000 is exactly point three four four. Yeah. So where's the point nine five applied?

Well, if you if you take the point nine five times two nine four, if you look down on the January 27 column, that's 2,000,070

Thank you. It's what I'm after. Yeah. Okay. That's the column in the 95% of the pie. That's that's perfect answer to my question. Okay.

You know, I stumble around these charts, and, frankly, I'm never surprised. I've been warned not to do frankly, I'm never surprised. I've been warned not to do math in public, Larry.

You did math in private. I'm just asking you sometimes right. It's not always right, but sometimes it's right. And and if I may, as long as I've interrupted you, the logic of this tell me if I'm correct or wrong. The point three four four mills is the amount of property tax collected from Cass County minus Logan that has been put into the county general fund, which if and I'm saying this for county council members. For all this to work, we need the county to get out of the fire business and stop collecting property tax, for fire at the county level and, frankly, turn it over to the fire board.

Oh, that I think that would always be intent. Yep. That's the point. K. Yep. I'm just And and and if we say that, we should have one caveat. Sure. And the caveat is one of the largest blocks in this valley is the unincorporated area. This is not a city. And so that money is gonna come to the county, and we're gonna be using that money to protect the unincorporated areas. But how do we protect them? We contract with Smithfield and Hirem and the other cities that are protecting those areas. But that money comes to us and then goes back out just like money goes to you and then Nibley contracts to provide the service from somewhere

else. The only other point I'll make and thank you for for for the spreadsheet. I think we all know that we likely cannot provide fire and e EMS protection to our constituents at point three four four mills, $0.344 per thousand dollars and therefore cities will need to, figure out how to, how to cover the rest of the cost of these services.

Right. And, and that allows the city to differentiate amongst themselves as to how much they want to do it. I you know, initially, when we started talking about this, I tried to come up with a mill levy that would replace what the cities were charging. And mayor Peterson and others said, no. We we really would prefer that that you not take over that portion of our property tax. This this system will not run without the municipal taxes and fees that are now being collected. They that had to stay in place. That gets adjusted.

Mayor Peterson, with this much money from this sort, you won't need as much money from your general fund. Right. And it and also, I think it reflects what we've already been doing. We haven't had access to the these this money that we've been paying into the system for fire, and this just corrects that wrong that's been occurring. So so certainly, that's been our understanding that this 611,000 or the $5.81 is not going to cover our entire fire budget, but it will definitely be a significant change for us. Like, it will it will help us actually put this money that is designated for fire towards North Logan's fire. So

So Yeah. That's

that's the idea. Barry? Is it is it still the are are you still gonna try and add an additional levy on unincorporated areas so that they're not just paying for the

the lower rate and all the cities are paying. Yeah. I here's a yes. Here is a memorandum that I've sent to county council that I wanna share with you. And, again, this is a decision that will be made by the county council. So what What what I'm trying to do is equalize the the taxation and and fees between the unincorporated areas and the incorporated. Just as Larry and mayor Peterson have been discussing the fact that unincorporated. And so I'm I'm asking that the county council that they implement services tax on the unincorporated areas that would be approximately the same as what the average city collects from its citizens for for fire. And and that is not shown on these first columns, but it is shown over in the new levy division. If you go to the right, you'll see that. Now you have to pick out of the air what what you would propose to be the municipal services tax. The way I have done this, and, again, it's going to be a county decision, not my decision, was to assume that 800 mills is is necessary for fire protection. I deducted the $3.44 and set the balance. So that that's the new levy. The new levy would generate a total of $716,000 at that rate, 447 in the in the South and 269 in the North. And then what I did, mayor Rudy, is I then assumed that that was divided out amongst the the zones in addition. So that so that, essentially, in Lewiston, you would receive a portion of the County Fire District tax levy, Barry. And then if we are successful with the municipal service levy, you would also receive that additional levy. That's

that's a general discussion. There's a lot of things that need to be reviewed. For

we're gonna use a 5% holdback provision. Is that enough to do what we need to do to run the fire board? We need to decide the city decide whether they're gonna turn the money over and when they're gonna turn it over. We need to decide if we're going to put the same levy that the county has for 2027. I mean, there's a whole bunch of decisions that are in front of us. This is just a draft of of how things would flow. But I think it gives you an idea, at least, of how I envision

the money moving. At what point are we actually taking action on this? There are a lot of variables, but at what point does this board make that decision, and how does that interface with the county council's decision making? Well, I I think now that the board

organized, I think I think one step, we could and I don't know that we need to take these steps in this meeting, but we're going to need to have several meetings very quickly. But I think we should be several meetings very quickly. But I think we should probably talk amongst ourselves what mill levy we would suggest be implemented as

levy. What should the levy amount be? Were you saying that your proposal is it's roughly $4.66, which is the 800 mils minus the $34.04?

Yes. That that's the number I use. Okay. But that's a decision to what we think is fair, and I based it on 800 mils. Maybe it should be more than that. Maybe it should be less than that.

Is the max mill levy 800?

Yes. But but that really doesn't apply to this at all.

Because we're just speaking about the unincorporated.

Right. And it's not the fire protection board that's doing that levy. It's the county. So there is no 800 that's in play there. I use that number just as a method of showing you how it would flow. So when should that decision be made? Well, first of all, the decision is going to be made by the county, not by us. But we could make a recommendation to the county, and I think that's what we ought to do. I think it ought to be roughly what the cities are raising in your municipal budget. That we ought to try and match that, and that would require all of us to take a look at what all the cities are internally generating, and then try to mimic that. That. We we can't change it by zone. It had to be uniform throughout the unincorporated area. But I think if we took an average of what the cities are doing, that would be a fair way to do it. So that's a decision we need to make. Can I suggest you take a look at this memo and maybe at our next meetings, we consider making making passing a proposed levy and sending that on to the county? I think the county would welcome our request and would consider it in making a decision. Don't you, Dave?

It's a lot of moving parts right now. I think that and that's what's interesting is every city right now that has, you know, local agreements with the county in providing fire service in yeah, we it would be very wise to have you as representative of those areas to come back and say, well, we do this sport. But does this also include, for example, who's who's covering areas like the unincorporated in Clarkston and New York City? Yeah. And are they

Yeah. It's it's right in here, the unincorporated.

You know,

the interlocal agreements that we have with them and stuff, all that stuff. This is gonna be the funding for those interlocal agreements going forward.

I I think that this is gonna be a very fluid document. We can get set up first year, but I think you're gonna have to almost go a whole year to to get the shock of everything of really what it's gonna be, and and then you fine tune it next year after a good year. Yeah. I think that's true. I think that's true, Dave. And,

you know, if we run a little short or we run a little long, we'll just have to kind of see how it works. But I think the principle of kind of coming up with a county wide average of what the cities are themselves. If I live in a city, this is how much I'm I'm paying for fire service. I think if I was living just outside of Providence, I'd probably have to say pay about the same amount. And but you can't average just Providence versus right outside of province. I've gotta take a county wide average. So that's why I I stuck it at 800 mills. You could take it at 700 mills. But I I look carefully at your budget, mayor Miller, and your budget, mayor Rudy. And in both cases, my analysis was your own citizens. Mills for fire service.

George, what kind of a timeline do you have on that? Pardon me? Give us a give us a time kind of a Gantt chart on it when that has to be implemented.

I I think it has to be implemented very quickly. The the situation with the county is on September 8, they have to supply the dollars that they're going to put they're going to collect with municipal services. So on that date, they have to get that information so it can be printed up in a notice and go out to the unincorporated area that this municipal services tax because it's going to be a truth in taxation Yeah. That's right. That's right. That's right. It's also that tight on us with respect to the fire district.

This is all done assuming

that we're going to use the county fire budget that's basically a baseline for 2027. That we're going to try and run the district for roughly the same amount of money that we ran. The county department, last. Now, we may decide that's not enough, but we don't have a lot of time to make that decision. My suggestion is we start with the county fire budget as the base line. And that's what this is. This would this, Steve, would tell you how much money your city's gonna get. Tell you that too. Now with respect to, North Logan, it it it tells you that, but you don't this is all new money to you, so it's really not much concern. But those that are running fire department, like Lewiston and Hiram and Smithfield and Nibley that we're trying to contract, but but that's how I've done the numbers here. I wish we had six Yeah. And where it actually works is we have to get a number over to our department by September 8. But that's the maximum. We can choose later to make the municipal services levy a lower amount than that. And what we levy a lower amount, but we cannot go higher than the numbers we've given.

You say you're gonna raise it at 80%. You cannot go any higher than that after that September 8.

So we'll we'll have another couple of months before the truth in taxation here if you could refine it, but we've gotta put the upper bound on it by September. The actual date is a little bit later, but if you don't hit that date, then you have a whole another mailing, and it's about $30,000 per mailing Yeah. Of cost.

So are we fire district wants. We've got to piggyback on what we send out, but

send out with something else. Are we contemplating

another a meeting in a week to really nail down that number? I'm wondering, is there is there any way that we can set the ceiling of that number today? Like, can we say it's going to be at most this for that levy? I I'm just knowing our time crunch, I think the refinement should take place between September 8 and the actual implementation of that municipal services tax. And I wanna give like, if I I just don't wanna spin our wheels for another week just in service of what ultimately is going to be a stab at the right number. So I'm just wondering if we say,

what's the maximum we think that would be? Yeah. And it's actually the way this works is it it it does translate down to a mill levy. But the way it actually is done is is we've come up with the number of dollars we think we need to collect. And then you backtrack. Work backwards from that. Our budget was 3,900,000. Okay. We could we could say we wanna collect 4,500,000 and then ratchet it down or up, not up. Not up. Ratchet it up. You can ratchet it down. But that's actually the number. Larry?

Thank you. I wanna respond to the North Logan and Nibley suggestion that this is new money. And I think it depends on whether you're thinking of it from a city's point of view or from a resident's point of view. It's new money to the city of Nibley because it's a it's a property tax that's been collected by the county. Yes. So if you're a resident in Nibley welcome to Nibley. Sorry. We have property tax in Nibley and you're gonna have to pay your share. As a resident of Nibley, those residents were previously paying that 0.344 mils of assessed value to the county. The thing that's new about it is that they would now be paying that to the fire district. So Nibley City has more money to provide fire and EMS protection. Although, we don't have what the county was providing to to augment and subsidize our our fire protection. So it's new money to the city because we're responsible for providing those services. I think that's fair. But if you're a resident of of Nibley, you've been paying this tax, you're just now gonna pay it to a different entity. Yeah. Plus other things to get there. Yeah. And and what I and and then if I if I may add on just briefly, when I got my property tax notice in the mail, I I saw there was a new row, a new line item that said, fire district and it was point four three 44. Thank you. Numbers are consistent of of the assessed value on our property. It wasn't the same dollar amount as the it wasn't the same dollar reduction on the county side. Cox here. You're right. No. You're dead. And that's obviously because even if the county reduces None of that's been adjusted. Yeah. Even if the county reduces your general fund collections obligation by 3,900,000, there's a whole bunch of other things in your budget. And that's all gonna have to be part of the messaging. And if some things are going up, you may you may avoid a truth in taxation even though things are going up because you're able to reduce 3,900,000 by passing that tax, property tax to the fire district. But there will be other people smarter than me that will look at the numbers and say this doesn't compute. So we need an accounting council and the executive may be ready to answer that question.

If we can go go back to the this dollar amount. I guess I'm just my argument is that it's not really our position as this board to tell the county what the maximum budget will be for for the unincorporated areas. Like, who am I to tell you guys what the maximum amount is going to be? And so I'm just saying, can we do, perhaps, a ceiling amount that is that's going to encompass that for sure? And then have you guys work backwards from that budget? So could we say this board says 4,500,000 is a ample budget and then have the county council aligned to that? Don't confuse

the two, though. The municipal services levy Yeah. Is a county determined levy. Right. But but our recommendation our recommendation is what we think they what it needed to cover fire for those unincorporated areas. So if if there is a reason for us to weigh in on this, because that's that the county doesn't have to accept our advice, but it's the county that's gonna be taking that money and contracting with the cities. Yeah. And so us feeding it back is good. With respect to the other levy, though, the the our levy, the one we determined, yeah, I don't see any reason we couldn't put a a number on that. If you if you're comfortable saying that we wanna collect 4,000,000 or 3.9 or 4.5, we could we could render that number at this

point. Well and that's up to, I think, the cities that are are contracting, to provide those services. And I guess this is a genuine question for, particularly, I think, Kyram and Smithfield to say, do you think that you'll have information that will change that number in the next week or two weeks? Okay. So so I would say, let's as a body I'm just trying to move this along. We've got to take some action. And also, I think we should take a recess and go grab a hamburger if this is gonna go for three hours. But I think if we can move this along and say, let's set a number. And I would defer to these mayors to say, hey. This is this is the ceiling of what we think that the fire service would cost.

So we do that. We set that number and we collect more than we need.

No. We're just saying this is the absolute ceiling of money that you, Cache County, will likely need next year to cover your fire services in the unincorporated areas. And then the county council takes that 4,500,000 for instance, and they say, okay. Then we'd have to charge this level of mill levy. And then the county council refines that number between now and when they actually impose the tax. They're refining only the municipal services. Right? Yeah. Right. Not the entire We're only talking about municipal services. Board have our own lending. Right. Right. But I think we're still talking about 4,000,000 will come from. The bulk of the 4,000,000 will come from our levy. I think all of it will. Well, the municipal services levy is the The municipal services for the, like, unincorporated,

like, Lewiston covers areas. But right now, they pay way less than different $600,000. Kind of what we pay too because they're 20 feet over the border paying a fraction of what Lewiston paying or Smith billed.

I I think you're using language that confuses me because I think you're bouncing between two. One is we only give advice to the county with respect to the municipal services levy, but we are the levying body with respect to the body with respect to the district.

Right.

So when when we talk about making a recommendation to the county, that's all we're making. And I'm suggesting we we suggest that they do impose a municipal services levy. And if if you want to estimate today based upon an 800 mil total, then it would be the what we would suggest is $716,465. That that would be taking what the county collects plus that that dollar amount would generate 800 mills roughly in the unincorporated area. So that that would be the number that you would suggest to them that they collect from the unincorporated area. Now you could say, no. We want them to collect 800,000. We want them to collect 600,000. It's advice. They'll do what they choose.

And I guess that's what I'm suggesting is that today, we make that suggestion. We give that advice, and we make it with enough of a cushion that the the the council won't exceed that ultimately.

I would be fine taking what you've put together, George. I mean, you've looked at all of our budgets probably more than any of us. And if you think that the 8 hundred's kind of the average, that's

Yeah. I I think I I probably just, in the abundance of caution, that using that precise number, kick it to 800,000. I think too. The the county is gonna process that number more deeply than we are. But I think if we were prepared to make that suggestion, they collect that amount from the unincorporated areas. That would give us a little room. And, frankly, they're the ones who are gonna decide that, and and they're the ones who are gonna decide the upper bound on that.

So can are we at a point where I could make a motion that we I guess,

again, I I really rely on on the two cities that are running these operations.

That's Aaron. I mean, Mendon's in that boat too. Incorporated. Muswell's in that boat. Be good. So Mendon and Muswell are providing search wait a week and do this or come

I don't know that it's I mean, if we're tightening up our purse strings and shortening it up, we can make this work. We can Okay. So I would move that we make a recommendation

to the county council that they collect sorry. It's a Municipal services. Municipal services levy in the amount of $800,000.

Do you have a second? I'll sign in. Any discussion?

Yeah. One one point. And I'll preface it with, this is a suggestion. It's really it's not on our agenda for consideration. It's on our agenda for discussion. I mean, because it's a recommendation, I mean, we can do a motion and a vote. I think we can as a recommendation because we're not actually taking action. Okay. Then let's make note that this is, at best, a straw poll and not official action of the board because it's not on the agenda for consideration.

It's fine. You know, well, we're gonna we're gonna need to meet within a week anyway because we've got to get our own levy done. So I I think maybe what we ought to do is do an agenda that specifically said we're gonna make a recommendation on municipal services levy. That'll give me a little more time

to look at this with mayor Rudy and mayor Miller. Okay. Let's set that baseline then, 800. And then as as any mayor sees fit, let's adjust that. Yeah. Should do you want us to because I it's more than just those two. Like, we No. I think it's it's any mayor. So do you always have to send our budgets as well?

Yeah. Yeah. I think let's let's postpone that. $7.16. I think what we need to do right now is we need to interrupt our proceedings because Mark Anderson is only here for a little while. He's got a powder mountain issue that we've gotta resolve timely. Correct, Kurt? Correct. Would would you explain to the board what the issue is? Yeah. That's actually item number 10.

Can I also just say, like, maybe in the interim, we need to have a consensus as to the administrative budget as well? Like, those in this number six agenda item, we need to kind of come to a consensus over so I think in the next week, we probably need to also Yes. Discuss what's reasonable in terms of an administrative fee. Pinning that for for future

action. Yep. K. For completeness, since you had a motion and a second left on the floor, I I'll withdraw it. Motion. You can't withdraw it. It belongs to all of us. I ask consent to continue that motion.

Second.

Just call for the vote. Consent is if no one objects, it just happens. K.

Call for the vote.

I I think it happened. It's not. No one said no. Just

it happened. K.

Kurt Webb, deputy executive. Item number 10 on your agenda has to do with Powder Mountain. Powder Mountain has to have fire coverage. We are unable to provide it. So the idea has been kicked around until we finally arrived at the best solution in in conjunction with Weber Fire is to have Weber Fire extend their boundaries into Cache County and cover the that portion of our county for, fire coverage at Powder Mountain. Chief chief George has been in contact with their with their fire chief. I want him to address it a little bit. And then there is a legal procedure that we have to go through because if they're expanding, we have to we have to have to cede that part part of our district to them. And so there's paperwork that has to be done. I'll have, Brady take a second and explain what he's discussed, and then we'll have, our attorney Anderson explain what the procedure is and what we need to pass today to get that done. K.

Alright. Brady George, Cache County Fire District Chief. As Kirk said, I've been in conversation with, Britt Clark, the chief of, Weber Fire District about this for about a year now. We were actually looking at trying to do just a MOU that would address that or an interlocal agreement. But the issue is that our taxation rate is so much different than theirs that what they were gonna end up charging was about four times what our tax rate is. So that would have pulled money out of other municipal service funds to try to offset that. So the cleanest way to set this up is to actually allow them to move in, provide service for that area. For us to be able to do it, we would have to go all the way out and around because there is no South Road that accesses that area easily. They've been providing that service for a long time. And so just this is a continuation of making sure that the citizens and the visitors to Cache County from that side are receiving effective service from the closest available units. Powder Mountain is in the process of building a station up there to meet the ongoing developmental needs. It's actually on the Cache County side, so there's that slight sting to it. But it's still what's best for the citizens in the long run to make this transition. It would encompass all of the It would encompass all of the recreational property associated with Powder Mountain as well as some adjoining acreage that we can't access as effectively as they can. So thank you.

I I got a question. As things change, thirty years down the road, whatever it may be, how easy is it then to pull that back into the

We would have to go through the reverse of the process that we're going through now. Is it possible?

Yes. Anything bigger?

It's possible, but there's no way to predict what a

It's still Cache County. The result of this is is that we aren't able to tax that area for fire, and Weber ends up being taxing that area for fire. So it does it cost us money? Yes. We forfeit that small portion that we are currently getting for fire in the area that we're giving up. And they're then authorized to tax it as a separate political taxing entity. So Weber Fire becomes in charge of that area completely. Do you like me to explain the process? Yes. And that's next I would like to like to

It's called a boundary adjustment. There's a specific statute that covers it. If two adjoining special districts that provide the same service on a retail or hotel or wholesale, excuse me, basis want to and and they have adjoining boundaries, they can adjust their common boundary to remove an area out of one and put it into the other. It happens quite frequently. I've got a couple of them going on right now, counting this one. The first step is to adopt an intent resolution. The Weber Fire District has already adopted its intent resolution. You're being asked to adopt an intent resolution for the Cache County Fire Protection District. That's merely step one. It doesn't approve anything, but it's the first step. Statute provides that if 100% of the owners of private real property within the affected area and it's been explained to you already what the affected area is. It's that little part of Powder Mountain, basically, that is in Cache County. If the a 100% of the affected private property owners sign a consent, and if registered voters equal in number to the number of votes cast in the last gubernatorial election, within that area also sign a consent, and we have it on very good authority that that number is zero. There are four or five homes or cabins in there. They're all seasonally occupied as I understand it. There are no registered voters. And I understand if they don't have a 100

consents, they're really close. Is that accurate? I was told yesterday they were in within two signatures, adding all the signatures. 100% of the signatures.

But but 100% is required to avoid having to hold a public hearing and go through additional red tape. Once those consents have been obtained, no public hearing, no public notice, the two boards can adopt because everybody that's affected is in, you know, in agreement. The two boards can then adopt a resolution approving the boundary adjustment, which would withdraw this area from the Cache County Fire Protection District, make it a part of the Weber, Fire Protection District. And from that point forward, it goes to the lieutenant governor. The lieutenant governor issues a certificate. And then with the Cache County recorder, we record the notice to the lieutenant governor, the certificate from the lieutenant governor, a final local entity plat that is, being prepared by the surveyors, and, the resolution or joint resolutions or joint resolution approving the boundary adjustment. Now, right now, the resolution that you're considering has exhibit a, which is a legal description that somebody smarter than the rest of us in the room figured out didn't have a starting point and therefore had a defective description. So if you're in agreement, we're going to request that the motion to adopt this resolution include authorization for, let's say, the vice chair to substitute exhibits once a correct exhibit is available that actually closes. You've got a depiction. You can see the area, but the legal description that is part of the process as a glitch and I'm not well, I guess it's the engineering company's glitch, but in any event, it's being fixed. There was a possibility that it would be fixed before this meeting, but it hasn't quite been. So as I said, if you're in agreement, we would request that your motion include authorization. And again, I think the easiest designation is the vice chair to substitute a correct exhibit. That's right. And I'd be happy to respond to questions.

Do we have my check. Okay. Perfect.

So we have one copy?

Yeah. We just got it. And we Two. You can shoot me that if you want to be that people see it. Is the correct

It's the correct assumption.

To make sure that what I'm saying he agrees with. This is an intent resolution. It doesn't do anything more than say, we intend to do this. When everything is done properly in the end, then you do have to adopt a resolution making it permanent. But this is part of the process. It's just an intent resolution. The fact that the legal description has a few tweaks to it that need to be fixed doesn't won't change where it is.

And the recitals, there's a list of recitals that basically go through what I just explained to you that we've got the two districts, they provide the same service, that it is infeasible for this district to provide service to that area. It is feasible for the Weber Fire District to do so. They're willing to do so, and this body is willing to allow them to do so. It states that we anticipate that consents will be signed by all of the private property owners. And if there are any registered voters that it would be signed by them as well. And, that you then conclude that it may be in the best interest of the cash buyer and the property owners residents, if any, and future residents of the affected area to adjust the boundary between the districts as provided in this intent resolution. And whereas this resolution declares the board's intent to pursue a boundary adjustment and does not by itself finally approve or complete the boundary adjustment. And then it says, you know, therefore be it resolved. And then paragraph one is the declaration of intent to adjust the value. Paragraph two declares that the resolution is being adopted to fill the requirements of the statute that I referenced a minute or two ago, and it directs staff and legal counsel to receive and verify the written consents, the confirmation of the identity and ownership interests, and written confirmation from the county clerk regarding the number of registered voters, which as we indicated is zero. And then it declares that the district may proceed with the boundary adjustment without notice and holding a public hearing. If the consents that I described are signed otherwise after a sixty day waiting period, this body would have to hold a public hearing. And after everything else has been satisfied, each of the fire district boards can adopt a resolution that adjusts the boundary and talks about protests because there is a protest procedure. But with everybody signing off, there's nobody to protest. And, once the boundary justice adjustment is completed, this district will no longer be able to tax the area, which, of course, you've never done yet. And it will not provide fire protection service there, which you can't provide effectively. Effectively. Rather, it'll be done by the Weber Fire District. And then all officers and employees and consultants of the district are authorized to take such actions as are necessary and appropriate to effectuate the intent. And again, that's after that final resolution is adopted approving it to complete the boundary adjustment, declares that this resolution has been placed on an agenda of a meeting, which it has of this board and, then has a separability provision and declares that the resolution will take effect immediately upon its adoption, but the boundary adjustment will not take effect unless and both district boards have adopted all resolutions required by the Utah code, and the lieutenant governor has issued the certificate of adjustment a boundary adjustment that I mentioned to you. In a nutshell, that is the resolution.

I would I would note that Weaver has a fire department up on the top of the mountain adjacent to these properties and can serve them.

The Currently building currently building a new fire station. Yeah.

The the tax that will be paid by these home will be the same as what paid by the homes that are in Weber County. There won't be a differential. With that said, I would move that we approve the resolution.

I'll second that motion.

So just one question. So they're in Cache County. Is Cache County indemnified?

Cash County would well, it it won't be Cache County's responsibility. Once this area is part of the Weber Fire District, it's the Weber Fire District's responsibility. So no liability. Serve that area. But the area around it that is still unincorporated Cache County remains the responsibility of Cash County. Although I'm pretty sure that we were fired. District wouldn't stop at the border in fighting the fire. And in fact, having their presence there and having and I don't I don't mean to argue it because that's not my job, but I would think that this will probably make that whole area safer than if it isn't this way, but that's your call number.

Is there any, for example, a time of reevaluation later?

No. This this is final. Once you adjust that boundary, that boundary is there and there are only two ways to change. That one would be to go through a boundary adjustment, the very same procedure and flip it back the other way. The other way would be to go through a withdrawal procedure, withdrawing the area from the Weber Fire District after which it could then be annexed by the Cache Fire District. But it would have to be one of those two ways.

So as the area expands and potential other cabins or things, then we would have to readjust?

Well, if the Powder Mountain development goes beyond the boundaries of what you've been looking at, that expansion would be in Cache County. I don't know what the temperature of Cache County would be to approve building permits there, to be totally honest with you, if they can't provide fire service. If you can provide fire service I mean, it's still going through this is still in Cache County. The planning and zoning authority will still be Cache County. But now with a fire department, they're ready to serve the area. It'll be easier to approve development. It will be easier to prove to approve building, but I suspect only within the footprint that we're talking about here. And frankly, not that it'll be that significant, but it will increase Cash County's tax base. It will diminish the cash fire district's cash tax base, but it will enhance the counties because things will happen there that wouldn't otherwise have happened, I think. And I again, I'm stepping out of my area where I have any say, but I think that that's accurate what I've what I've said. And the county folks, if they disagree, can jump in, but I think that's accurate.

So how

how does this work? Cash County collects the taxes and then pays Weber for it? Or

This is going to be the Weber Fire District's headache, not this body's headache. There are a lot of districts throughout the state that are in multiple counties. The central Utah water conservancy for district, for instance, covers half of the state. The Hooper Water Improvement District in neighboring Weber County includes property in Davis County, as well as in Weber County. It happens all the central Weber Sewer Improvement District includes part of Davis County. Includes part of Davis County. It's a consolidated tax rate that the through the counties, the state tax commission has to calculate and the tax rate will be uniform and equal within the Weber fire district. But, the part of it that is collected for the Cache Valley Park will be paid, to or through Cache County and then, you know, however you do it with the rest of the districts now, except a little bit of money will be going to the Weber Fire District.

Let me address that for a second, Catherine. Because you I could look at your question two ways. Are we collecting the taxes? Yes. They're in Cache County. It will come through us, but we will pay those funds. There will be separate line items that we require for those that are in that district.

Yeah. I'm I'm sure that there are some citizens that would have that

that question. Are we losing by doing this, are we losing out on taxes? And no, we're not. Well, yes, you yes, you are. You're I think we're missing out on the taxes you're collecting right now, which I don't think is a lot of money. But, yeah, you the the fire district's tax base will be a little smaller. But in good conscience, do you wanna be charging property tax from an area that you know you can't really serve? Yeah. The

reaction of this current situation is that we don't have any fire levy on this.

So the answer is we Oh, that's true. But but when you when you do establish Right. Then you won't be taxing Right. That's a better way to put it. Thank you, Jerry. It isn't all that different

from the sewer district that's up there now. They have a water and and sewer district that's in Weber County that these homes will be participating in because we don't have a water sewer system up there. It's it's simply where the service is provided. They're pains of that service. And we don't have a service there that that adequate to do these things.

Darren, may I? Yes. Thanks. My mole in the audience that does real time research sent me information, which I think is an interesting data point. The, Weaver fire district property tax rate is point 13% or in George units, it's 1,300 mills. In dollars per thousand or actual mills, it's 1.3 mills. Yeah. Exactly. So that's what we're up against. We're not providing we can't provide that kind of service. Eric?

Is this are we gonna run into a problem here with the double taxation again? Because when you implement a countywide tax on the unincorporated area for to to get them up to the same rate we're paying, are you gonna be able to exclude them where they're that's county, but now it's in a different district.

Yeah. We'll have to do that. Yeah. It's the same for Logan. Right? It's the same. We'll we'll have to do that. Well, they're on a corporation. I know. But Good catch, Brady. Catch. Good catch. True movie. We'll figure out how to carve that out of that area so that we're not, you know, a municipal

service in cash.

That's how we get into these messages. We have to make up for and one one more suggestion. On on the actual resolution, thanks for showing it to us. And this is why Lindsay hates me because I get so pedantic about I don't know if that's why. That's one of the reasons Lindsay hates me is I get so pedantic about the work. She does, but it's a different reason. It says Cache Fire will be defined as the Cache County Fire District. Cache Fire. But we are, in fact, the Cache Fire Protection District. So I I wasn't going to get into that. May I?

Yeah. Oh.

See? It's important.

There is a state law that was not in effect when this district was created that prohibits any newly created districts from including the word county in their title, and it requires any previously created districts to obtain the specific written consent of the county for the continued use of the word county or drop it. The district when it was created is, was created as the Cache County Fire Protection District. This board has the power and authority to change the name of the district, and it's a simple statute or it's a simple, procedure to follow. This one says Cache County Fire. Oh,

That's right. But it's that's what he's asking. Oh. Adding it back. We're missing the the word county is

out of place. Okay. We'll fix that. Can you fix that? Yeah. So and I assume that that that's what I'm talking about is the word county. I assume what you want is cash fire district. Is that accurate?

Cash fire protection. We don't fire Cash County.

Then that's what that's what it'll be. But you'll have to approve it. We

Yeah. Mhmm. So

And frankly, I think it's a a good change. The legislature obviously thought it was a good change.

Can't trust You don't always think the best things.

I no. I tried to just start using that name. But when I looked at the statute, we actually had to formally do it. We had to formally file the new name. Yep. But we're out of compliance, so it should be called the Cache Fire Protection District. But we'll get that done in our next round. It will be really easy.

And the resolution, as you pointed out, should have the word protection after fire and for district, and we can fix that page. And I'm assuming that

it's part of the motion given that I I I accept that modification that the word be properly written in that and that the legal description be changed. I would call the question of my motion to approve the resolution. I'll second that.

How do we vote? No. You just you they vote on the original motion.

Okay. All in favor?

Aye. Any opposed?

Thank you.

We'll get that correction done, and then we'll need signatures.

If I may be excused, if there are any questions for me, though, I believe I wish we had to answer them. But I think you should keep on your own law. How

how fast can we get a a draft set of bylaws? We'll try to have a draft to you next week. Okay. Thank you.

Nine.

You're talking about. I promise. One piece of information. Okay. I want them all.

Tell me to text

them. Thank you. It's nice to meet all of you, and I look forward to working with you.

Thank you.

Okay. So the way I read this, it looks like we've already addressed agenda item eight

and ten.

Skipped over seven, which is cash bound cash fire protection district budget in South EMS operations. Discussion regarding the budgetary needs of the CFPD, including funding necessary for EMS operations in the South.

I think we actually discussed that part of number six in that chart. There's more that needs to be discussed there, but I think we got the information that I thought we needed to get out on the on that.

Yeah. And and, mister chair, this is this is something that official now South Cash Advisory Committee is working hard on. Okay. So I'm not sure it needs to come to this board at this point. Okay. That's how I feel, Steve. Yep. We Yeah. You're talking about that. Okay. That says Number nine and number

11.

So now number nine, district and municipal functions. Discussion regarding which functions should be centralized at the district level and which functions should remain at the municipal level?

I I realize we're probably over time, but I just say there's there's some things we need to to do with the district. And I I think, we don't need to make this decision today, but I would suppose that we need at least one person, maybe two administrative people who work for the district in order to have the district functions taken care of. Whether that person is called the chief or not, I think is something we ought to discuss. But I think we ought to refer that question to our to operations committees as what function should be centralized and which ones should be put down at the municipal level. I don't know that we have time to get into the details of that today.

I think as we arrange these technical advisers and I think we could ask for feedback from what did you call it? NOAC and SOAC. SOAC. SOAC. I think we could I think my recommendation is we refer to them and have a more technical discussion and then bring it back to this board. Any discussion to that? To be clear, this is the 5%.

Yes. Yeah. Thank you.

Or some of the 5%. Right. Not all the 5%. Yeah.

Does that go along with also, like, clerk? And and we've we've gotta get a working Others.

Users. We we either have to have an HR person that we hire, or we can hire the county at a fee. We probably need a financial person. As opposed to hiring a person, I think we could pay the county for both of those services. I checked with Matt Funk, and he'd provide the services for a nominal fee, and HR pertain to employees that are at the district level. Yeah. For a nominal fee, we could get those services so it would take care of those. We've got an attorney, so centralized expense. We're going to have to do interlocal agreements with all the cities. So there is a fair amount of legal work that needs to be done. Once those are in place, renewing them from year to executive of this board who functions as our as our representative. We're all engaged with other tasks. I think, frankly, we ought to see if we can make an agreement with Chief Brady George and hire him to be our, administrator, fire chief, whatever we wanna call, whether he'll accept that or not. I don't know. He's he's kinda looking as maybe he doesn't wanna do that, but I think we need somebody to carry out our decision. But that's, again, something I'd refer to Nowak and Soak to give us advice about rather than decide or discuss it here.

The question so I think that that's probably

a topic for discussion, maybe at another meeting, but I'd really like to go in-depth as to, you know,

the role of Chief Brady, in moving forward. How does he interact with NOAC and SOAC? What's his role? What's his his role? What's his authoritative role?

And really define that because I think there's a lot of question right now with with certainly with the SOAC. I agree with you, Steve. I think that needs a deeper discussion. I think it ought to be discussed first at SOAC and NOAC. Mhmm.

I agree.

Alright. So it's the first I think that moves us. Are you saying there's no other services that, on a county wide level, need to be provided? No. There there's there's we know what that we're discussing in SOAC that we're going to need to employ a group of people to operate the EMS service in the so they're both that's why Steve is saying we need to take a look at just what is involved in that. We also have to have a county fire marshal. I should say district fire marshal. There's some some formal things we have to do, but don't don't make a decision now. It it really needs to go to so act and no act to be discussed.

And in that discuss what the municipal what's the municipal role versus the county fire district role? Yeah. Excuse me.

Let's try and not use the word counted. No. I I tried to catch myself. I I catch myself too. We're trying to find the district and municipal levels. I I think we probably need another meeting next week if we're gonna make that September 8 date. I I would propose we meet again The county well, not the district. The county offers to bring sandwiches. -Yeah. Because -Catherine already had a sandwich. -Sorry. You don't want to see me at home. -It won't be as good as a cooked burger, but could we meet a week from today at noon again and plan on going from noon

to two?

I'm out of town.

Pardon me? I'm out of town. I could join by Zoom.

I can do it noon.

I I think that's great. I think we also need to agenda these items for action. Right. Just to make sure that we're Yep. And so do we have all of those things kind of lined up? Yeah. I We we know what those are gonna be next Wednesday. Mayor Rudy and I will try and get written resolutions

and get them to you beforehand so you can see them. And can everyone except Kathleen make that date a week from today, same time, same place?

September 2.

Yes. And Kathleen offered a remote attendance too. Right?

Yes. Yeah. I can do it.

George, may I suggest on our next meeting in our last meeting with Mark Anderson, he suggested criminal and insurance for all of the members of the board. We will Put that in agenda item, please. It's bond insurance for all of the members of the board that we will not be held liable for any decisions personally liable for any decisions made on the

board. Yes.

I don't wanna be held liable to you. You're looking at me weird. You hold it as a mayor for Nibley. I know. We all hold it in our separate electric positions, but we need it it for specifically for this position.

I understand. Thank you.

Are we ready for to adjourn?

Any other discussion that you're

Do we need to have a motion to set the meetings?

What was that? You have to do a recap of the action items. I think I think as long as you guys propose it in the agenda that we can we can double check and make sure they're not leaving that off. I would so, I mean, do we need do we need to move on the next meeting date? We don't do we need motion on that coming up? Then I move that we adjourn. Okay. We are officially adjourned.

Can everybody please sign their oaths with Michelle here? There's two copies. One for us to keep and then one to be stored with the clerk's office.