Cache County Council Ordinance and Policy Review Committee – 05-08-2026

K. So first item for discussion is a review of the revision for the Logan Cash Airport Authority agreement. And who's taking this one this time?

It's it's it's a a through f is All this. It's all in this. That's what I'm I'm saying.

The last meeting, we kinda talked about what we needed to realities that

I've sent it

to Craig. I haven't heard back from him, but I've learned with Craig sometimes I have to call him or walk over and help to get his attention. I you know, provided to Logan and it all of my past conversations with

Well, I do. I I'm hoping more than he's hoping for. But there's some things I'd like to talk about that are in it. I had to cancel. Things back. I I have spent quite a bit of time on this, and I also had John Kerr sit down with me and kinda go through things. I don't mean to monopolize the time. You want me to kinda walk through my comments to begin with and

So yeah. Well, so if there's nothing additional specific that you wanted to point out, Dane, in summarizing what you've pulled together, then yeah. Then the next step will be open it up to the discussions. I think that's

I think that's the best use of our time here is to discuss because this this is really

I just I put things on paper and then it's for us to discuss and strike through it to draft. Yep. Actually, exactly. So just wanna make sure that there wasn't anything else you wanted to present to kick it off, Dane. So, yeah, I would open it to the body for discussion.

Alright. So page two, the number two paragraph. I'm I'm really concerned about this where we

we

where it says for a minimum of 20 and then it doesn't go beyond 20 without a resolution by the legislative body of both parties. I don't really wanna give Logan those kind of rights in this agreement. Wasn't 10 and then 20? Yeah. Minimum of 10. I don't I don't want them to be able to trigger. So so what I would propose on this is where you have the term effective date, just put a period there and then strike out the rest of it. K. The effect of that would be to just say it remains in for a minimum of ten years and not say anything more because I don't want them to be able to terminate and then cause us to do it. Down on the next paragraph, don't have any question about all of the the things that say they're not required to do, but the last the last line of the page

On what page again? I'm sorry. It's it's page two. Okay. We're still there. Go ahead.

Operation maintenance or improvements, I think there should be a period after improvements. And then the the next sentence starts another sentence. But I didn't like the city shall not bear because it sounds like that's an imperative that they can't. What I would suggest is we use the same language as you used in the previous sentence, which is that is the city shall not be required to bear. So but they could if they chose to.

That that would be something we had talked to Craig about because that was some of his language that he provided if I would be Yeah. In some conversations. Well, it's you know? I I don't see it. I I think that's a good a good term for the county to include in there. So they Right. So when they choose to, they could as long as we're

Okay. The the concern I have on page three Is that now is that

they is that logical at how you read that right there, that that the city remain part of the oversight airport due to just the physical persons because it's in their city. Is that really the only reason that they're wanting oversight?

I don't I don't know their reasons. I think that's an important reason for the FAA.

Yeah. K. That's It's coming. That's the tie. Okay. And and how do we That sounds I think there was a question asked last time whether or not the airport was actually annexed in

to Logan. It is annexed into Logan.

It's it's annexed into Logan, but there is some land that we own outside of the annexation.

It's not it's just raw land. It's not part of the Well, and and yeah. There's a lot of unincorporated around it, which would mean that up to the boundaries of the railroad and the airport is within other cities right adjacent to the airport.

Yeah. We don't of that land that's unincorporated to the west of the runway. Right. And and we don't want to put that in the airport authority board at this point. Right. There's things happening with the land.

Yeah. My my point is just that eventually, majority of what will be developed around the airport will not be within Logan

City. So they if you go and look at the the map, they've already annexed a big port place. Basically, I'm not sure how many maybe a half a mile to the west of the airport is already what we'd see throughout to

Right.

Yeah. At about midpoint of the runway. Yes. So any city. Right. Yeah. There there is a big portion of it that's all part Correct. And what I'm referring to is the annexation boundary agreements between the cities in that area that will, you know, is forms the guidelines for how annexations would be directed in the future, which was Hyde Park on the West Side and the East Side. It's And then there's Logan on the South Side. Directed

them. Yeah. Okay. Let let me go to page three, some paragraph. I don't want the city telling us we will do something. I want that to say the county may continue to appropriate funds as necessary through a normal budget process and intake. I don't I don't wanna give somebody a right to insist that whatever it is, we're gonna put money in day. That's my concern. I don't

Well, see, that kinda goes back to how it currently is. So so You know, we start telling each other, we need more money from you. We need more money, and that's what we're trying to get out of. The the one problem we have

sponsor take on the management of the airport, we are required we can't shut the airport down. And so we are required if if it became became we have to shut the airport down or we have to appropriate more money. Our FAA grant can just say we have to appropriate more money. I I don't disagree and will agree to that. But in our agreement with Logan City, I wanted to say may

because I don't I mean, we we say we may appropriate. We may also direct the airport authority, but go get a mortgage or do something else. I mean, there are there are other alternatives. They're not just appropriating the money. So Okay. I I would like to take out paragraph c.

Under four?

No. No. It's it's the top. It would actually be three c.

Okay. The debts, liabilities, and obligations?

I I think you're gonna have a problem with that with the FAA too. And I don't presume to say that they are our debt lie, though. I just don't wanna say it one way or the other.

I because I I don't think they are legally under Utah law. Pardon me? Because it's an interlocal entity, so its debts are separate from the county's debts. Constitute them. And so I I I mean, we can we can exclude it, but it's still true.

I I I don't I don't disagree with you. I just don't wanna tell the FAA that. That's why I'm hearing that's why I'm not criticizing your choice of language data. I'm just

And so no. I'm I'm just saying I don't have a I don't have a stratification either way. This is a lot of the language that's just consistent with the the current agreement. And so if we're gonna strike it, that's I don't think that makes any difference here with the target.

Changing the legal situation, I just don't wanna express it quite

in the agreement. Is is there I'll ask this to Dane. Is there a concern that if we don't express that explicitly that the FAA may not approve the interlocal agreement? Law says that. Yeah. It's an air local entity. So so, really, this is just

just stating what the state of law already is. And I I don't think the FAA is going to look too much at it one way or another. So I don't think I don't think it's necessary in there. It was included because that was one of the provisions in the previous interlocal that I

necessary because it's it's a statute. Like, the law might say I can't run a red light, but we don't need to explicitly say that in my swearing in that I won't run any red lights. Right.

It's it's clear in Utah law. I just don't wanna throw it at the f FAA and have them come back and talk about that. I just wanted to clarify that. Lose lose another month of back and forth. Yep. K. K. Okay. The next concern I have is in paragraph four. Under paragraph a or b, Logan City can elect to terminate. I don't have a problem with with a and b, but the consequences of termination in c, I wanna be clear about that. Where it says, in the event of termination, any and all asset, including and so on and so on, owned by the shall be deeded to and and of the airport. The that is if Logan withdraws, I don't I don't wanna be in a situation where Logan can claim that they're willing to continue to the airport. I want it to just default to us. I don't think they'll object to that thing. So it would be shall be deeded to Cash County providing that they are continuing operation

management of the airport. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Okay.

What if we withdraw?

Well, we we can terminate.

And then then then it goes to Logan. No. No. It goes and get divided equally. Okay. Which is what we have now. Because that that isn't what what that says right there, it just just go to the one that's gonna be it just goes to the Right. Operation and management of the airport. And I wanna say, Cache County so it's clear what happens. That's good. Right? Because in d, it says that they'll be divided equally.

Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. D is is contemplating end of operations at the airport, and we're splitting up the product. D is, but c is the c is the airport authority's way, but it's continuing

operations. Okay. Now over to page four. Because, guys, we're the ones that are financially responsible for this. I don't want Logan City making a decision that we can't mortgage the property. So I that sound acceptable? Mhmm. Okay. Sponsor board. Let me just just talk a little bit about ideas of what we do.

Is that that sponsor lang the language? Is that FAA language? Okay. Yes.

What what I'm talking about is membership of the sponsor. One initial reaction I have is it says the mayor and councilman get appointed. I count that as two Logan people. Yeah. If you then say three county council people and one of them is from Logan, now I have Four. Three people from Logan. Yep.

And I What what what if two of them are from Logan?

Two what if two council members are from Logan on there? Only the last four. Oh, okay. What it says is one for the North, one for the South. Oh, yeah. And and I'd like to just back up and talk generally about appointments. When we list certain people with defined political characteristics that we're gonna put in certain positions. And and I'm gonna talk about this not only on this board, but the airport authority board. We really limit the council's ability to choose who's best suited to serve. And, you know, I think we shouldn't we shouldn't say pick one from the North. Well, there's only two from the North. Pick There's only two from the South, and there's three from Logan. If Logan City is gonna have one plus another Logan councilman, I think I'd prefer that the council chooses three to be on the council, but not Logan so that, essentially, the council's making that decision. Let me go even broader than that. We have correct me if I'm wrong, David. I think we have several elected officials in county plus the seven council members. Right? Attorney auditor. Yeah. Or Training them. Three no no offense. But when you say the county auditor is gonna be a member of this of this group and you say the county clerk is gonna be a member, I'm really happy with that because I think Bryson and Matt would be excellent. But

Bryson and Matt aren't gonna be there forever. But,

your predecessor would not have been excellent, Bryson. And, Matt, your predecessor would not have been excellent. What what I'm wondering if we don't want to do as a county council is take a look at our 14 elected officers and decide which ones the council thinks are the best one to serve, rather than tie ourselves to specific slots. Now, Matt, I think Matt's a great choice, and I think Bryson's a great choice. But if those two guys are gone and you get the two people that were in their seats before, and this automatically says they go out in the county, the thing I got a concern with that. And we we see uneven qualities in our county councilman too, Dave.

Pause for emphasis. Yes. Specifically.

Yeah. You can come on. Catch up, guys. Yeah.

And and let me broaden it. You see uneven Yeah. We do.

Hear the conclusion of this point.

And and if we want the airport board to be successful long term, I think the best bet is to let the council take a look at the roster of people they've got and choose who best serves on the airport authority board. But you got 14, but there may be a It's actually 15.

Oh. Sorry. I just counted. Okay. If

executive What I meant to say is seven councilmen, seven elected indeed. Right? That's correct. Okay. 15. I've put all 15 in the roster and say, we wanna pick this many and let the council, not the executive, let the council sit and take a look at who's filling those positions and then make the decision based upon their qualities. That's that's what I'm suggesting you do rather than divide it up so that there is a designated county clerk

sitting on the airport authority. I think how you say that I would expect you to know that you're not longevity. When I say longevity, meaning that I I don't think you I think it would take a lot of time to really change the whole political the whole political realm k. To of of getting maybe, I could say it, a lot of liberal liberal attitudes or something. I think that I think what you just said, I think will probably give it a lot more longevity

for You know, the the other thing I think is I think is, I'm trying to say you shouldn't elect a Logan councilman or elect two from the North. If geographic isn't really a criteria here, it's it's who has the qualities and the time that's really into this. We may find that we have an assessor or a recorder who's really interested in the airport, or that we decide that we want them to get interested alternate assignment.

So

so that's you guys can do what you want with that. But My I also feel the same way about the airport authority board. You've you've gotta say, I'm I'm there, but maybe I'm not the one to be there. I like to think that I would qualify irrespective of whether I was elected, that I might be a person the council would choose to put on the airport authority board given my background. But if if I was a doofus, you shouldn't appoint me to the airport authority board. Or if I don't have the qualities that you think would be helpful, who else could you appoint? Matt would be an excellent person to put on the airport authority board. He would. And then you might slide the county executive back and make him on the sponsor. You see what I mean? What I'm really suggesting to the council is the most powerful thing is to make the decision at the time looking at the people you've got in the various positions. The other thing is with respect to all of those people, I would suggest that their terms match their terms in office.

Yes. I mean, I guess for for the elected officials, it makes sense not to have to reapply single year.

And and I think it also gives you a chance to take a look at who's best serving and make those adjustments from time to time.

Okay. Thoughts? Do do we wanna discuss

kinda each piece at a time, or do we wanna let George say his piece on all of this and then discuss Let's let's talk about that one right there. I think that's a it's just interesting what I've seen the past several years. We had we did have organizations that came to the council, and and they wanted their boards changed because in it said they were getting they were gonna change their statute, their bylaws, whatever it is. They were changing those because it literally it said in there that the county executive would be on that board. And they they came to us, and they said we cannot function. And and so they wanted more latitude themselves. And so we we we did several things so that those boards could move on and and, you know, and progress. So what you're saying is sometimes it is by name and titles, name and specifics, what that does is it it it often doesn't get the best person for the job.

And then launch into it. Yeah.

Yeah. And and then then the damage is done. And now how do you get rid of it? Well, they yep. You have voted out there's whenever their next term is up. Oh, that's

And it goes to skill set as well because we have the hearing. You know, we may have someone in the office that elected office that is fantastic at most things, but not necessarily airport things. So I thought I liked the idea personally.

Yeah. I like what's being suggested. I I do too. And I would actually my comment on this when I read it was, does it necessarily need to be a council member from Logan City Council or could it be a resident or someone else that Logan I think on the sponsor board, there Needs to be a legislator? I I think so.

Is that f FAA

influence? Well, because we're talking about the sponsor. The sponsor is the interlocal entity between the two cities. K. So elected representative of those cities Yeah. Yeah. K. Or their designee. I mean, I I I guess they could technically their city council wanted to pass some ordinance that says our someone else is gonna be a representative there. I could change that language or designate, but it makes sense that it's someone from there is elected because it's they're representing the the city as it is. Mhmm.

I agree. I

k.

You know, that's just a whole spill of of information about appointing people, but my experience is the less office oriented you are and the person oriented, you get better range of people. And if you what it is that have to decide here, I think is the county council. And I think the best thing is to have the county council making the decision. When they look at the 14 people that are elected officials in the county, they choose the ones that they think are best suited and who will express an interest in in the airport. On b, that's that's what you did with your position. My my suggestion, if you want the county executive to be on the airport authority board, that you put him in the nonvoting advisory members and sponsor board. So he's there, but he's not a voting member. If you make a different official, let's say we make Matt sit on the airport advisory board, we say he's a better choice now than the county executive for that board, Then you might very well choose to make the county executive a member of the sponsor. You see what I mean? If if you move around. I think you ought to keep the executive on one or the other. If he if he's on the airport authority board, fine, and then having me be at your meetings of the sponsor, but not voting. But if he's not on the airport authority board, I think it makes sense to make him one of your sponsor appointments because of his central role. And I think you just look at the county executive that you have and make a decision kind of dispassionately as where where are the best choices to put the personalities that you have? And if we don't say it have to come from the North and one from the South, you have the flexibility looking at all seven. I would add the other elected officials in there too so that you could choose what what you do.

So for section six a, do you have language written up already that would revise that?

So so I I would just strike through Or do we need to go through shall consist of three members of the county council. Each

Yeah. But it's striking the requirement of the north and of the south. Yeah. I support that.

South and low end.

Would you add

for the for the length of their charms?

Yes. And the term their term will go off. Yeah. Dang, that's that's the only thing I was thinking of is, like, let's say if if Mark, Catherine, and Sandy were all appointed, that they their term would all end at the same time.

Do we wanna stagger at least one of those so there's continuity? Let the council make that decision. Yeah. I think that's, like, a decision when you're making appointments, say, operation

Yeah. It should be under consideration. I don't know if it should be required, but something to to think about. And then the other question while we're on the same topic is is there any case that we would have for having someone that's not a county elected official on there? That maybe has officer? Yeah. Yeah. The the one I would That's the requirement?

Well, I Seems like it is to me. I mean,

there there who can actually make decisions on behalf of the the county as an entity. I'm putting a non elected person on there. I mean, I think the council probably legally could. I I would advise against that just because we're reporting someone who's making these final decisions on

How funds are being appropriated or It

seems like you're taking it out of someone who has electoral accountability.

Yeah. My point in asking that was just to make sure that you have the language. You you under you you have it well enough understood now to to revise it Yes. To match what you're what we're saying. That flexibility? Yeah. Operation, I think it's good. Yeah. Yeah. Hand you know, operation handling.

James, in addition, I would suggest under six a would be

Do do we need to outline the process of how they're appointed to in procedures? It's just for the by the majority of the council? Yeah. I mean, it'd be a point Same as anything else? Be appointing authority.

So there's there's some boards where the most boards, the executives, appoint authority unless otherwise specified, So it would just be following the same procedures for appointment.

Doesn't already say appointed, but, yeah, all of which should be appointed by the Cache County Council. Yeah. It's already says in there. Yeah.

Yep. Each would shall be appointed. I don't care. Do you do you want me to to make this tentative proposal to the county council as to who they appoint where, and then

That's what I was getting at.

So how this how this the sponsor board, how I had it written was had it written was the the council would make the appointments of their own members. They decide which members they wanted to serve. Then the exec but we might need to change that because we go executive who is the

Use the advice and consent thing, then I'm making a proposal, because it's it's who within the council you want to serve. But the way I've opened it up, it could also be, the other elected officials you choose.

The key to this will be, on all of this is that, hey. We've got these openings. Everyone start talking to each other. How

Yeah. You know, let's

what are some of those interests? You know, we get to know this. If it was an advice and consent that didn't include the county council,

it would be of some significance. But Everyone tell yeah. Everyone know. I mean, that I know I remember several years ago

being asked to as a as a council member, say, hey. We're meeting a couple more people for planning Sony. Could you, you know, think of everyone out there in your districts and everything, and could you bring some names in? It was to to Craig Craig and Cutter for the time. And, you know, I sent a few names in there and say, hey. Think about these. And then he they went out and did the legwork, came back with the who they thought. This is different to the sponsor board. I've got 14 people. We know exactly what their names are and who they are. Yeah. And but then it's also, you know,

just, like, basically, talking to each other and, you know, have the strongest interest in the skills. Those 14, You choose. Yeah. I I see it working more like when we divide up our assignments. Like, when Joanne got in office and it's like, hey. What's your interests? And she said, well, probably more the tourism board. Great. We decide amongst ourselves. So I I I That's how I see it work. As we've been talking through this,

I I do think the council should have the the sort of authority within their own ranks to decide who's gonna be on there. But I think the other elected officials, if might make sense, to have the executive k. So the council would appoint their members and then appoint with advice would would give advice consent for the other the other elected officials being taken there. So then I'm the one that chooses amongst the other. I'm okay if Just don't start with eight. There's only 14 people

to choose amongst, and I think it really comes down to the the personalities that are actually serving. I don't know that our current county recorder is interested in the airport. But if she were, I might choose her. But the point is I don't want to be said. The recorder can't be the the appointee. And if your predecessor was in Bryson, I wouldn't choose him. I'd choose you though, Bryson. You're the shiny Pokemon. I mean, it or or the assessor or somebody else. But the point is is it depends on who it is.

I think that makes sense and I like the way you phrased that thing. The the other Okay. Other non council members be by advice and consent with the executive.

By the same by the council members. Sorry. By the same token, do we want to specify the same process for the Logan City Council? Like, they would appoint their person or is it or does the mayor appoint the council member? Andrew Eric just added that up there. I can

because I think if their mayor's making an appointment, there should be advice and consent with their council members. Agreed.

That they're gonna want that. So To follow suit then. Yeah. So

Yeah. Essentially, council members decide amongst themselves on the county level and the city level.

I just don't want to be in the situation where Logan is telling this board what to do. Yeah.

You're not gonna lead in

So just from the top, it's three council members, Logan mayor, Logan council member, and then two other elected officials as appointed by the County elected officials. Executives. Yes. With advice.

Good.

Yeah. With advice. Great. I think we're square.

Okay.

This this request comes from from John Kerr. The sponsor board this is on page five. I don't know why. The sponsor board shall need at least quarterly to receive a report from the airport authority board. But he he said, we may meet more often than that. It may not be quarterly. Is there a problem with the sponsor board just choosing how often and what their own schedule is, but meeting at least in? That's what he suggest to be booked. So, like, similar to, like, the audit committee. Pardon me? Similar to, like, the audit committee. Like, they meet once, but we can the audit committee can be as much as possible. Sponsor board might choose an matching time to meet monthly, but they don't have to meet every quarter if there's if everything's running smoothly and they're comfortable. But they the sponsor board would choose how often to meet.

I I I like the annually and then as needed.

Yeah. Well, you know

As determined by the sponsor board. Yeah. I think initially, we'll probably want to meet quarterly, but I don't think that will need to continue

Yep. Throughout. Show me it annually so we at least do it. So just meet at least annually because that leaves open for Yeah. For for me.

So can we board authority board. I do think that one of our elected officials should be on that board. Now in my view, I'd like personally, I'd like to serve on that to begin with because I wanna get this thing set up right, but I'm not I'm not high bound by that. I think it could be a county council person as well, but it would have to be somebody who's got the time to meet when they wanna meet because it can't be, I can only meet after 05:00 or something like that. So, again, I'd I'd like to turn that back to the sponsor to decide which county elected official There you go. They put on that board. So a county elected official shall official

shall serve as a permanent member of the board.

And shall not be eligible to be appointed or responsible.

Right. In other words, you have your sponsor, and then, hey, if they're gonna be on the airport authority, then their their elected their election, ability to, vote, it will be over there. Yeah. Yeah.

I I think if you don't put the county executive, there, you probably ought to put him as one of the sponsors. And if you do put him there, I think you ought to have him as official because it's that's what I do with him so that anyway, that's So

so so I conclude that the county executive is a nonvoting ex officio member of the airport authority board unless serving on the sponsor board. Yeah.

I do wanna discuss that, but just going back to six f, it says there's a training required within six months. Do we have

any detail on that training? So there's just a four training. I I didn't wanna be too specific in case they change the name of the training or something, but there's a board training by the state auditor's office.

Okay. I mean, I think training is good. I just wanna It's the only one that was meeting back. Specifically for this, it would be

We'll leave the title out of the training

in case it changes. There is there is a requirement. There's a state code section that requires us to, but I wanted to leave that out because that's what we probably ran into in the role. Interlocals that had lots of code sections

Mhmm.

Okay. I'm on seven d

Tell me what you wanna Well, Well, I do wanna talk about the composition of the airport authority board and the executive potentially being a part of that.

Okay. Now is the time to discuss that. I think so. Unless you feel like moving forward, George, would help us in the conversation going back to b seven b, but I think there's still more discussion for seven b.

Yeah. I have some comments about seven b, but they're tangled up with the financial that occurs a couple of pages later. Okay. So could we just come back to seven b in a minute? Sure. I think so. On d, it says they shall meet at least monthly. I'd I'd like to say they shall meet at the office they want, but not less than quarterly so that we don't get in a situation where they have to meet in the month of December or something like that. So So at least At least quarterly. Yeah. Date for that. Yeah. At least quarterly. Yeah. Okay. This this is my major concern with with what we're doing is paragraph seven, and this really encompasses paragraph f, g, and h on page seven. I don't have any problem with I, meaning the airport authority shall not enter into long term debt without the approval of the Cache County Council. I think it would help if you define what long term debt is and use any kind of standard definition you want, but we ought to have we ought to know what that means. I I think long term debt is anything more than one year. That's what that's standard, isn't it? Our budgets Yeah. Situation. If you're gonna have debt that stretches over more than a year, then I think it's probably long term. Yeah. You could say two years because one of the problems with this is you budget and then you carry it out. So between budgeting and carrying it out, sometimes you're, what, eighteen months or something like that now. What would you suggest in the long term definition? Twenty four comes to mind. Twenty four months? Twenty four months. Okay. It's short it's always like short term was

zero to one year, intermediate zero or it was one to five, and then long term was five and over. It's how it used to be.

But I think I want the airport authority board Yeah. Obligating themselves out three and four years. I'd like to have that come to the county council a bit longer than twenty four months. Okay. AFG and H, in my opinion, make this airport authority board look like a department of the county, and I don't think that's what we want. I don't think we want to have that much control over the airport authority board. I think our county financial interaction with the sponsor and the airport authority board is mainly directed to what they're asking the county to do. That is they're asking at this point for us to kick in a 100 or $200,000 a year. That's our budgetary concern. But getting into the weeds of what the airport authority board is setting their salaries at, what their training requirements are, and all of that, I think, we should lead to the airport authority board. And that that we should not exercise detailed budget authority over the airport authority board. Because if we do, we're managing the bank the airport.

The 200,000 that they have been getting, what what specifically has that been covering?

Is it salaries? Is it general bin out there and they use it for things. I think that if,

as long as, for example, the 200,000 is coming from taxpayer dollars, I think ought to specifically then only be used in certain areas of it. So we don't get in the weeds of the airport authority. Does that make sense? When when we had 200,000,

Dave, it was Logan puts up a 100 We put up a 100. We put up a 100. That's why it's in there. Right. It's not in this. Yeah. Is it the The the amount? Yeah. No.

Yeah. And I guess that's what if if there is money, then I think it needs to have a very specific purpose. If it's taxpayer money that's going to the airport, then, okay, it's gonna be used for a specific thing, and that's all we need to be concerned with is this thing over here rather than all of the airport's finances. There there's no That makes sense? $100,000

Yeah. Without

listing what you're gonna use them for. Yes. I I agree with George's point on this because let's say they they're like, you know what we really need? We need the new logo, and we need to pay a graphic designer $80,000 to design this logo. Can we have the money to do it? We might say no on that specific thing, but if they wanna use their own money Yeah. That's their own money to to do something like that, that's their prerogative, and that's fine.

And so I I'm I'm totally okay with that and fully support that because I want them to operate as much as a sovereign entity as possible. But I'm saying that the money that's coming from taxpayers, see, that that money is probably being generated from what's happening at the airport. So because they would use for those kind of things. I think I can maybe just make a couple of changes so this might

alleviate some of these concerns. So therefore, Yeah. That's the request. No. That's fine.

That that Yeah. Okay. See, that's that's what I'm saying. Then it's very specific, and we don't then jump into everything else that they're doing. It's appropriate

for the sponsor, not not the county council, but the sponsor to have the airport authority board give them their budget, but I would use the term advise and consent. That is the sponsor looks at their budget and says a a consent. Not we're going to to go through it and talk with you about what you're spending every dollar for. We should give the airport authority board the decision if they wanna spend it on a logo, and they've got the money. They do that. We come back as a sponsor and say, stupid. You shouldn't have done that. Then then we deal with that, but we're not gonna do the but we're not gonna do the budgeting for them. Yep. Is that Mhmm. Is that where we are? 100%.

I think so. I like it. So

that would those are kind of general direction that you put with that. Yeah. So I I think probably just

some of that was the sponsor board's powers and the airport authority board's responsibility conditions. We are striking that from our budget. Or you can't operate in the deficit that you can't do this. You can't do that. But

but not, we're gonna substitute our judgment to the airport authority for.

Okay. If I may ask, once this becomes effective Pardon me? Once once this becomes effective, who will employ the employees out there? Will they still be county employees or will they They will be airport authority or employees.

It it it does specify in there that if they want county resources, they need to reimburse the county for that. So they are operating as their own. I can't remember what section that's in, but That that's specific to the

the finances record keeping. That's something that I think we're gonna have to work through with our current employee as an employee of the county.

Yeah. And I more than one employee after. Just one real time event. Time event. And the problem is is when we make him an employee in the county, that then he's subject to all these county

So that's gonna be probably need to be part of the the budget request. I think that should be the first request, actually. It's yeah. Right. And and probably is gonna need to I mean, this goes into effect July 1, but, obviously, I don't think we're gonna be ready with budget amendments and things to ensure

Let let me just ask. When you say we're paying him, the $200,000 comes in and we use that money to make these payments. Right? We have revenues at common law. All of this is gonna be outside the county now. If we give the money, it's gonna go from a county checking account, the airport authority To the enterprise fund. To the enterprise fund. The enterprise fund is gonna pay their salary. It's gonna pay everything. It's no longer a county entity.

So they're not a county employee. For our benefits package then. Right. So they'll need to get their own insurance. They'll have to work out their own retirement.

Can can they contract with us for I would have to look into that. Because from you, yeah, that's I'm not sure about that. That's We'd we'd like

your help, but not your control. That that's the way I think I would phrase it. If we can help them that way, okay. But if we put our employees out there, then I'm in charge of those employees, and Amy's in charge of those employees, and we have all of the apparatus of the county, and then we have to charge for those services and things. This is supposed to be a different deal. This is not independence. This is supposed to be like it's they're near local entity. So, essentially, they are

just like a a seat. Right? They're they're separate. Just like Bear River Health. Bear River Or or Cash Valley Connect. They Yeah. We don't have any particular Right. Yeah. We

John Kerr, more or less made the decision that we were gonna pay for education for Bob Lowe completely outside of county policies. It it did it. Whether that's something that the airport authority board would authorize is a is a is a question for the airport authority board. I know what we would say, no, to play no. Well, why would we say no? We would say no because they don't offer that benefit to one of our employees. And if we offer it to one, we got a whole bunch of other people that have been educated and and so on. This is this is a different entity, and we need we either need to be it it's either a department of the county and their county employees, and with that comes a whole bag each, Or it's an airport authority board, and they're out there deciding what they're gonna do. They're responsible to generate their money. The only time we are apt to do anything financially is when they come and and ask us for money, and we ask them what they're gonna do with it, we decide whether we'll give it to you. Same thing with the county attorney. I don't want the county attorney to have to give them services if if That's right. If he says he's willing to give him a little advice from time to time, that's fine. But I and it isn't only when it's an independent issue. It's it's when they want their advice. They can go hire a a attorney with twenty five years of representing airports if they think they need one. I hope if if they call Dane, Dane might do something incidental for him. But if they are gonna use Dane's office to do $20,000

worth of legal work, I don't want that coming out of my budget. Yep. Agreed. Same with everything. Same with the plow, the salt they use, every Fitts County stuff. It should be reimbursed.

Yep. Yep.

And we also have public works employees that plow out there. I I acknowledge

So they need to hire them to do that.

And, Amy, we may have to give them more money, but but I want to make them an independent operator so that they're not under your purview and your responsibility. It just doesn't work to have this shared business of who's in charge. That's that's what Jones was saying in his report, is it doesn't work.

And sometimes sometimes government money stymies progression and ability to, you know, to to excel in in certain things. Sometimes when there are that that competitive nature, let's get out there and let's say, let's let's make this a better place and make it more business like, oh, and then more revenue starts coming in. Yeah. The objectives are dependent on, you know, government money and things like that. Sometimes it stymies them unless you're a

We we want them They care so much. Like the wolf is at their jaws.

Yeah. K. No. I I I I I'm

I like it. So I find it all agreeable. Yes. Andrew, your hand is up. You can speak up. Thank you. Okay.

One addition that I think is, I think necessary under the airport authority board section is potential lawsuits and and other issues. So I think addition of that would be even language. But that's just a

Yeah. As far as I understand it, either the sponsor board or the airport authority board would be subject to all public meeting Yeah. Criteria. And so, yeah, that's great. I think it I agree it ought to be specified in here just because then a review of the document when someone comes on board to the board, they get that initial training. But we'd also have to train them with with the open public meeting open public meetings act. I prefer being there.

Okay. So so I'd I'd like Dave to take a shot at that g and h fixing those. On j, I think the first line of j on page seven, I think you need a b in there. B. Yeah. Report for it will be provided.

So sorry. Which one is that? J.

J. J. J line will be provided. Maintenance. The current level of service at the airport after December 2026, beginning 01/01/2027. The airport agreed to provide any and all water, stormwater, sewer. What?

So I can give him the same. Let's specify.

Yeah. Let's the city doesn't the city now charge for these services? I think under the under the old air local agreement, they were covering

the owner local agreement, they were covering the cost. Oh, okay. Alright. That makes you plain like Now they wanna make money into their own enterprise fund.

Well, I mean, isn't our intent to become a rate payer just like anyone else would be. Right?

I I would think beginning 01/01/2008, the airport agrees to pay regular or something normal charges for all water, storm, or sewer, and Italian maintenance at the airport. Maintenance of the airport.

Yeah. That that was the legal way of saying you're kicking us out of the club. We can't use our stuff anymore. I can't have a have a spa.

Yeah. That was in the in the second amendment for withdrawal sent over, and I kinda looked at it. Withdrawal sent over, and I kinda looked at it. I don't know what that means, but I'm I'm I'm looking at the 1992 agreement. I'm thinking I think it's just paying for it, but Yeah. I'll leave it like that for now. Would you put in it that it's paying for it? We'll pay for it.

Well, the the thing is even by statute, they because they are annexed in there and it is set up, they have to provide it. Right. If if the airport It's yellow. Let it go. If the land that is the airport that the airport authority is gonna control is annexed into Logan,

then the airport is a rate payer just like anyone else. Now number

b, the airport authority breached Grand College utility for all light and power utility. I don't have any problem with that first sentence. The second sentence, I I I'm a little nervous about giving up the ride to use electricity from other utilities. We're right on the border between Logan

City and Utah Power. That that was that was a question I have because you are in Logan City's limits. Are you required to use Logan City Power?

That's a question I have to Well, that that's why the annexation question is so important.

Well, it is if if that determines it. But, Mark, I I think there are entities within Logan City that are not on Logan City Power. Oh, there's correct.

But I think they're built through Logan Power and Light. The utility? I I they they may be receiving the the electricity that is required to cover them may be generated by someone other than Logan Power, but they are billed through Logan Power. I think that's the journey. That seems to match what I understand.

Is the city shall retain ownership and continue to operate and maintain all such life and power utilities. If what they're saying is that the electric lines in the airport are owned by the city, I disagree. I don't think they are. I get built by Logan City from the airport, from the ballot center. So when I get my utility bill, it's through Logan City. Yeah.

Would would you work on those Yeah. I'll call So that and that should be

senior. So is that there? Yeah. Suggestions. So the property of the airport authority or the private resident get their own meter. Well,

for example, there there may came come a short day that you might be generating your own power there. Right. We can't stop that. You know? And that's we just don't want them to Don't want them to be locked into loading power. We end up having to pay to their enterprise fund because we're producing our own electricity. So, yeah, they they ought to be able to release. Okay. I think we just we just follow what's within their city. And if there's an option to produce your own or to,

you know, that we can get the power somewhere else or whatever, that's what we do. Yeah. If they don't have the adequate infrastructure to provide the airport with power, it would be up to them to meet the need of the rate payer.

I've worked on all the legal representation. The way that's worded is independent attorney is

Unless I missed it. I don't think

it's specific.

Let me see if I can frame it.

Could you could then have two legal services. One for the sponsor board, which would be our county attorney's office. Right?

And then one separate for the airport authority could have their own separate legal If if if if each entity thinks they need their own attorney, I suppose so. That's probably how it would make up Yeah. And let and let them get their own I think if we leave at May, we can leave our council to give us advice.

K. But don't compel the airport authority board. The sponsor board because of the makeup of it and who they represent.

Well, when when we really right? When in these when we're talking about airport authority here, we're talking about airport authority as the entity, not just the airport authority board, but the the legal entity Right. Right. Which includes the sponsor board. Oh, okay. And so, like so I'll I'll change it to so that may have received legal services

the the direct reservation. Okay.

Address. Okay. On the annual report, the airport authority, I I crossed out the word written. You you can print it down if you want to. I I just say they provide annual report Yep. Of the fact that it's budget and receipt to the sponsor board. I took out the county council with plan for both of the following year. I took out the county council because, again, I don't think the county council is one that's controlling the airport authority. I think it goes to sponsor. Not saying the sponsor can't give a copy to the county. The county is not the one that can look at the plans and decide what's happening. It's the sponsor board. So I agree. That's Mhmm.

Seven b. Yeah. So

How about these 10? That is two. Yeah.

I I think I'm ready to ask the question before we go to the makeup of the board or paragraph b of seven b. But, I just wanna make sure we have the appropriate language in here to address how the airport authority board is going to manage the grounds, maintain the the infrastructure that's there. Calling it public works is tricky. I don't know that that's really what it is, but in essence, they are operating they they've gotta operate the the infrastructure that would be beyond just the building or outside the operations of an airport. Right? So we gotta have a contract for plowing the runway. That's airport operations. They've also gotta have what do they do when the water main breaks

on-site? I I think they're an independent agency. They can They can contract

with our public works? Yeah.

They can

put it out to go to a private. It's it's really

So is that adequately addressed in section five? Five c. Yeah. Keegan pointed out to me just a second ago. Or do we need to be a little more specific about it that that the first call would be to the county's public works department in the event they can't do it, then what? I I don't I don't think it should be the I think that should be the So then

Kate that the airport authority believes to be the best to do that. Totally agree. But what about day one?

Well

because they're not gonna have that in place day one.

Just like they wanna have a director or a whole host of other things? Call public works.

Yeah. We're gonna work with them.

Okay. As long as long as it's sufficient in that necessarily wanna put things in the your local agreement planning for just what happens day one that's not gonna be necessary. Let's say 1,000. Right. The first ninety days are gonna look a lot different. Yeah. Correct. I think I think it just has they they have they have the power and responsibility to do all this. I think they that grants them the ability to call the county as a piece. You know, call Logan City saying we need that. As long as we feel like it's clear in there that that can happen. And and I I think that they would know. That's one of the reasons choose to do that.

We have the the Man, they got $800,000 of cash, don't they? They just

I think they can solve their problem, Lord. K. I I And which could be that they start hiring people to do these specific functions if there's enough work for that.

The other thing, I was reading. I think it's in eleven, but we do insure the buildings and the property. So that we would take that off, and they would need to get their own insurance. Vehicles off the whole thing. So we're gifting the vehicles to them,

or, like, how are we making that transfer? Authority board. If if we need to go through that and so I'd I I'd like him to keep their $800,000. And bear in mind, if it been associated with the airport authority, it probably been bought with airport authority money.

That might be something we look into as a an ordinance or a resolution. Is the council, like, basically appropriating the rental of equipment for ninety days or something like that?

That's That is an interesting question because So that is if if a bunch of this It'd have to be appropriated by the council. Property. Yes. We go. It was county property. They want stuff. With airport. Yep. Money that it

Why don't we do this? The day we get this signed, let's see a strip. Fire in emails.

Well, you could you could ask the cities who owns the waste management collections.

I I think this I I say out there that they've accumulate. We just give them a bill of sale and say that's of sale and say that's that's it and disclaim county ownership of it because I think they've been buying the stuff with their own money. I'm sure it's having a sale.

We just need to make it official probably. I'll call them the chair for that

work. Yeah. Yeah. So that's

The the ground itself is just easier than the car. I I say you you you put a very minimal value. Of just just make sure that a value is is stated, you know, whether that'd be $5. Yeah. I think it'd be a memorandum. If there's a transaction and a reason just Yeah. I think a memorandum is of something of We also

have Agreed. Have some land out there that's in our name, but not in the airport authority. What are we gonna do with that? I that

Save that for another discussion. Save save it for a separate discussion from this, I think. I I say we don't have to make a change there. Yes. I say get this thing going. Let's evolve. Yes. Because

I think there'll be some needs that'll come up. There'll be some things that'll happen. Can't. Oh.

Why can't she? She's not gonna make decisions. Make school. She's not

Yeah. Guys.

Did did that money get was it from the authority

I think it's a client because there's a majority.

Only if she participates. Yeah. It's only if she participates. Only if she participates.

You can spectate.

Let's evolve.

Alright. Can we talk seven b now?

I see. We just evolve. But No. I I think that the money trail, the transaction trail that we can always go back to that rather than a I think that's just the Yeah. I think Whether it's a dollar. Yeah. Document that does it rather than just have it walk out the door. I mean, those vehicles will probably need will will need something to take over to DMV to change their title. Yeah. To Verizon's got the titles. We insure it. So we just need to coordinate and get all that taken care of. K. Would you say seven what?

B. The composition. Oh,

yeah. So it's 10.

Right. So Keegan, was your thoughts? Yeah. As George alluded to earlier, there may be a spot for the county executive on the sponsor board. Right? So I think right away, saying in b that the county executive shall serve as a permanent member on Airport Authority Board, we should probably strike that. I know what we've talked about thus far, you know, to to set the premises, if if this board truly is gonna act, you know, as its own entity, with its own insurance, its own fleet of vehicles What I'm saying. Its its own employees, I think it it creates some confusion if the county executive is the, sort of the head of that board appointing its members. It it it it convulates their ability to act as a more sovereign entity of what we're going for. So

that Who run who currently runs the meetings?

The chair. John. Who's John Kerr? Okay. Yeah. Which I think that's what would continue in this sort of arrangement. And then the other thing I wanna address is then you you have six. So you probably wanna specify that you're having seven, and then you probably wanna specify that they'll appoint a chair. And I don't know who appoints the chair. I haven't thought that far. It could be I I have a strong

suggestion about that, and that is you let the board choose its own chair. Yep. Yep. Mhmm. But let me come back and ask you. Are you saying the county executive should not serve on that board, or are you saying that it's a council decision whether the county executive or a different county official serves on? So I think it's the sponsor board's

decision,

once it's established, but make it what what I'm trying to do is connect the two boards so that there's some linkage between them. So it would be a county elected official. Yeah.

Yeah. I I actually I'm not particular about who from the county serves on it. I would be particular that they should be a nonvoting member, though. I am not. I I feel very strongly about that.

If you have we're we're making a move independent. There's sick people that are independent. The sponsor's independent. But I think the county needs a seat on that board. As a voting. Not not six, not chairmanship, but a seat.

Yeah. So I think my concern with that is, you know, I I think of, like, at at work we had a employee task force that was, you know, there to discuss tenure recognition and core values, you know, things like that. I think when the the boss is in the room,

I think it changes the nature of the conversation. This isn't a boss though. These people are none of them are county employees.

No. I understand that. But if the county executive but I think we decided the county executive is not appointing these folks either. Right? Pardon me? The county executive wouldn't be appointing anyone on the on the airport authority board. Right. It's appointed by the sponsor. So you're just talking about they have a a seat on the board where they get to vote? I think the county

need to have a seat. So we need to talk about that because under seven c, the county executive shall make appointments with the licensing That's where I was going next. Yeah. So

that would need to be stricken as well.

Again, I I just caution you. It it isn't my personal thing, but you you take too much authority away from the county executive and you you lack the ability to make decisions in in some consistent way. The county executive is your only elected official of the county. The county council all represent districts, Keegan. So you represent Logan. You don't represent any other district other than Logan. I do. I represent the whole county. I'm different from you in that way. And I feel very strongly that the county executive need to be one place or the other. If you if you as a council, for whatever personal reason, executive on the, board, then put Matt on the board or put Bryson on the board, but you need to have a seat on that board. That's my point. I agree with that. I really do.

Just having so in other words, say, an elected Cash Count

An elected official. Elected official from Cash County shall serve as a permanent permanent member of the authority board. Yeah. Can we can we talk That was that was what was previously stated back when we first went through it. Yeah. I do. And I think we all agree with that. Yeah. I do wanna talk about the why behind that though. Like, just so it can be openly stated why we do want an elected county person on that board. Because it does run contrary to Doctor. Jones' report. So I think, I think we just wanna rationalize the reason.

I mean, I, I really don't have a strong opinion either way, but war is gonna have a huge impact on the economic outcome of Cache County and what our future is gonna look like on I mean, in turn, there's gonna be things that people are unhappy about, development out around the airport, noise complaints. And I think having some democratic accountability on that specific board, may make people feel better about decisions that are being made, but it is contrary to that. I don't want us to act like I'm just trying to write both sides of this because I see both sides of it. I don't I don't really have a strong opinion, but I I think that we're talking about why there should be someone elected on that board is someone that actually has to speak speak has to speak

speak to the voters and earn their Yeah. Voters. It wouldn't all fall to the sponsor. Yeah. And see, that's what I thought the answer would be. And it's like, well, if there's accountability with the sponsor board is all elected officials, they have to be appointed by the Cache County Council who's elected. Like, there's accountability.

If you don't have somebody who is on the airport authority board, where does the sponsor get information about what's going on on the airport floor report?

In the report.

It's annual or quarterly or monthly? From a report that the group writes? That is how it works, Keegan. I'll just

you read it and you try to figure out what's going on over there, it doesn't work that way. You don't know. Management by report is the least effective thing. I get a prospectus on that on my four zero one k. I understand the the process, but it's an open and public meeting as well. It it yeah. It is. Yes. Anyone can attend. Yes.

Just the same. I I think the county council need to have a pipeline that goes right into that airport authority board so that Matt or me or somebody like that that sits with this county council has knowledge of what's going on over there. Okay. I'll

give you an example. COSAC, dollars 20,000,000 bond. There's no elected official that sits as a voting member of COSAC. I know very well what's going on. The county has accountability. They have a say. They get to vote on different rounds. Like, I, I, I just want to finish my point, which is to say, I don't think that being a voting member is requisite for accountability in this example. So if our only reasoning, accountability in this example. So if our only reasoning is accountability, not good enough. I need something better.

Okay. You've got my vote. I don't want to do it that way. I want a county official voting as an equal member of the airport. Voting as an equal member of the airport authority board. That's what I want. And I I can sit here and talk about my experience with boards and so on. I think this is a multimillion dollar operation. It's it's it's bigger in some way than the whole council's purview of what it does. And I think we need to have a pipeline that's direct, not by a report or having to go to the meeting and watch what happened. I think we need somebody sitting on that group and we need to have that pipeline. I'm cutting down all this business about authority and authority and budgets and all, but I really think we need someone on the line on that situation. So someone can come to us and say, there's problems on the airport authority board. This is going on. And and I don't think it has to be me, but it needs to be somebody with enough moxie to run against them. Matt's a fine person. Put Matt on it. If you don't want me to put Matt on it. Yeah.

Well, just let me just state nothing personal about anything

here. This is personal to me because I think you're making a mistake, Deacon, to to unleash this much asset and this much money without more control in this way. So it it's a personal thing with me. I think it's a it's a terrible mistake to license a board of citizens with that much power and authority. I I I wanna give them the the ability to run it, but I wanna know exactly what's going on over there from a person who's with them.

Anyway, that's Yeah. So

to clarify that, Keegan, your point is that if we were to change language in seven b from the county executive county a Cash County Elected Official shell, are you saying that's not

agreeable? I'm saying that's a compromise and I appreciate Georgia's zeal. I appreciate Georgia's experience. What what I want to have is a civil debate where we cite reasons why, and so far the reason I've heard is for awareness and accountability, and I'm my side of the argument is that can be achieved without a voting seat. So if it's a compromise because someone feels this way and someone feels that way, then so be it, but I don't think procedurally, that's how we should proceed is because someone wants something and someone else doesn't. So we just I agree that

well, so I was just gonna add that I, you know, I feel strongly that we should have a Cache County elected official which does not mean it has to be the executive. It could be any And I think Dave does too. I do. So I think it could probably be I and I'll I'll say that I feel like since there's no not going to be any Cache County employees involved, that supports that it does not have to be the executive and that it could be any one of the 15 elected officials. So really, I think all that's left to decide is does it need to be an elected official that's countywide elected or could it be a council member?

Because we're districted like was mentioned. Those are, I think, the two points in dispute actually. Yeah. Maybe I should go further and say, I really don't think it should be a don't think it should be a council member except I hate to tell the council and persuade them every time not to put a council member on it. But this board, we're we're looking at a board that's gonna require very substantial time. And I think one of the full time employees of the county so that you're not working around a a bunch of other things. Frankly, I think it needs somebody that's that's strong and attuned to money, finance, and controls. Matt is a good person to do that. I think I'm a good person to do that. Keegan, you may be a good person to do it. If you were a full time employee, I wouldn't probably have a problem with that. Mark, you might be a person if you were a full time. Where you're part time and this group is gonna be running a business, I think you probably need to the the county executive is a good person to put on it. If the county executive, that's kind of person. But if

But if he's not, he shouldn't be the one that's automatically That's what I wanna allude to is you you talked earlier about predecessors and our comfort level of maybe having that be the de facto. I I share the same

sort of concern. And I think they should have a vote. And

why I say they should have a vote, it's it is actually not similar to COSAC. And COSAC, they are an advisory board. They put they do the leg work. They put it all together, and then they send it through round one, which is the Cache County Council. K? And then round two, you know, they there's a process that's very different. Here, they're gonna be making on-site decisions. Here we go. They're not gonna they're not gonna take a lot of those decisions that they're making. They're not coming to us. No. I I understand that. You know? And so that's why I'm sitting there going, yeah, we ought to have a vote on some of those managerial decisions that are gonna be happen you know, or should be I should say we, meaning someone from Cache County, elected official, is there on-site in some of those decisions. They will have a better pulse on what's going on there But than everybody else. People on boards are not treated as equal members of the They are. Well, I know, Dave, actually, by that premise, it's not like COSAC

and that's that's the point I'm making is, like, COSAC is beholden to the council because they're asking for the, the county's money. Or these guys aren't even beholden to that money. So my argument is they should act even more independently than something like COSAC. And so all I'm saying is I just want to get it on record that if we're gonna run contrary to the recommendation, let's have a good reason.

It's Doctor. Diamond's recommendations that

has influenced by immigrants, I think. Of course. That they would politicize

the board. And I don't think one person

politicizes it. That that would be my concern. That's more than yeah. Can can I I I I I kind of appreciate that because your your oversight board is all elected officials. Now we have a our actual management board is no elected officials. And I I mean, I I guess I can I don't wanna cause, like, having here, but we've kind of seen on another board where where where you have people that are elected officials that can go push back against other elected officials in a way that the people were just appointed and can essentially be removed by that board? They might not be willing to do that. Say say Mark is on or I'll just use Mark as an example. If you're on the the airport authority board, you're probably gonna be more comfortable going to the sponsor We work with each other a lot. A work with each other a lot. A lot of these people in the airport board aren't going to be used to government. They're not going to be used to to this. And I I think having someone because of they're probably gonna be on the same page most of the time with the other six members of that board that have those expertise. They're really a conduit to to take that back to the to the sponsor board and speak a language that they understand and have those discussions and be an advocate for the the authority board. Whereas if it's just seven people who there is they have no connection to anyone on there, they they don't have interactions outside of this airport. I think they might be more prone to political pressure to be like, oh, well, they're all these elected officials are telling me we need to do something. And I I see because a lot of us, I think, that we're getting some of these fields see that where we we we can go and push back on another elected official where we deal with someone from the outside world. You can tell someone an authority tells you, you don't like what you're doing. They say, okay. We won't do it. Having someone on there that's a voting member to say, don't listen to them. We're gonna do this. This is what's best. Best. I think there's a benefit there. Yeah.

Well, you don't want the sponsor board to steamroll the authority board. I think, you know, having an elected official on the authority board puts some more pushback towards the sponsor board.

So I don't know if that's a good enough reason, but I I think that is a reason to I I think

I think we know where everyone stands, and we can probably just move on.

K. Thanks. Any questions

left? This direction for me. Do you want me to strike Cass County executive, change it to a Cass County elected

official? Do we need to state a county wide elected official?

If that's I am our rec I do think Georgia's at large argument is valid. I I agree with that.

Does just stating a county wide elected official cover up? That would okay. But the county council, which I think we probably should do.

I I think that's right. Or you could say someone elected at large. I don't know what those Right. Whatever the best language is. By tomorrow, but I guess I'm wrong with that.

You can't do the fire board and the air or authority board. Right. You get shot twice, you know?

Just so I have clar clarification, is this document just between Logan City and Cache County, or is this the document to that begins the

employees and So so the airport authority is a separate entity right now. Okay.

So would it be smart to add a section in about employees and, insurance and benefits and property and

anything that way? I think that alludes to what Mark was brought up on five c. It's maybe five c just needs to be more expansive.

Yeah. You know, if I'm asking it after having read five c, you're asking that question now. I think that answer is it's not clear enough. Yeah. I'll turn a second.

Just because as I read five c, I don't see anything that talks about employees.

Yeah. Entering the contracts, employee, employee. Oh, it does say It does say employee, but Sorry. I skipped over. It's it's more than It says employee, employees.

Asset. But when we talk about moving that to a separate body and keeping track of it, that's how big

this is. Oh, yeah. Mhmm.

So Mostly. That's a joke. I don't know if I because, really, a bunch of this is Logan isn't really involved with us moving our employees to the airport authority. That that really isn't the place for detailing that. That's gonna need to be a resolution Yeah.

It is taking something current state, making it future state, but doesn't have to have all the granular granular details. Does the airport authority have its own bylaws in too and everything? Yeah. So you're that's where you kinda deal with the law of those things. Yeah. I I think at the same time we do this, we ought to do a bill of sale and the whole It's the transfer of assets is the solution for me. Over the airport.

Would would those employees how many are there?

One? One full time. Full time and

three part time. Okay. Would they have would they have any opportunity for the same retirement system?

I I need to check into that. I have that Yeah. They're they're your local entity that It's a matter of size of the your local entity? I don't think so. I think that they they'd all be eligible for URS.

Yeah. That's that's we don't wanna, you know, we don't wanna, you know The other thing would be health insurance. Right? Yeah. Right.

And that and that's gonna need to that's something that the county needs to work out with the airport authority. Wish I'm still here because I I don't remember how that all exactly went

Can I mention in this regard? Look at paragraph 15. Which what? Paragraph 15 on page nine. You know, we we ought to be careful what we write in this thing because it requires Logan to agree to any amendment of it. And so when we start talking about the board and all of those kind of things, we're giving them authority if you don't like what we do. We could try and change that clause and say the sponsor can recommend changes to the county council. We could take it in that way.

The the problem with it Right. It's it's not a legal local, so it has to come to the legislative bodies of so that's that's why I think we need to give it just say the different boards have the authority to do these things and be general and not be so specific because if we're too specific and this doesn't fit the needs, we're gonna have to come back and

meet. Disentangling it will be difficult Right. To legislate.

I I agree that Colin's gotta stay in there, but it's right. We need to decide we wanna change

something about more and move where. And and I'll as I go through this coming up with a a final draft and working with Logan City, I would there's other things that I'm I'm seeing, like, maybe we need to be more. Because I I would rather be more general in this and let the sponsor board and airport authority board write bylaws Mhmm. Than I agree, sir. Very specific.

The last thing you wanna do is hamstring them. That's really why I

I just referenced the Utah Public Meeting Act and things because they can create bylaws to make sure they comply with that. We don't need to list every little thing that they Right. Right. They need to be in compliance with. Yeah.

I feel like our question were just, do we have that appropriately worded here to enable that? Yes. As long as that's sound. Right on north. That's a yes. Back to you. So is this something we can we can kind of put together and then in our next OP, just to do a final check and then send it to the council. Can you have this by next Friday? I'm not gonna be here next Okay. So, I mean, I can probably have I'm not gonna be here next Friday. So should we put it for the the not the next OMP, but the one after? We do already have a in June? Yeah. So that would be the first one in June. Week from isn't that Memorial Day?

Monday is the eleventh. If we meet So they'll just do it out. Gonna be at a train.

The next day? If we just do June, I think that's fine. That is

so remind me, our deadline is July. Right? That's when we we want. So if we're treating it like the next meeting will be the last And we have a a, you know, an acceptable copy ready to present. I have to do it. Is June soon enough? We need to finish this up, but then we need to ship it to Logan. Logan. Yeah. So, I mean, Mondays are tough for me to just weekend another meeting, especially if Dane's not gonna be around the out out Monday.

Well, we're trying to do it on Wednesday. With which Wednesday? This coming Wednesday? There isn't really that much change here, is there?

No. I I can probably I can probably have this out to everyone in this group next week because they're they're really we've gone through a lot of changes, but it's usually just striking things and replacing some language is gonna go pretty quickly. And so I I think we're relatively close. Really, some of the things need to be worked out with Logan with those utilities, that's gonna be the the biggest

Some of this stuff about budgetarians, I you know, who approves the budget and all? If if and I I said, well, I don't think we wanna say this in here. The less we say about that and give us more latitude to make changes, I think, would be better. But I do want to give authority to the airport, authority for it to do the budgeting. I just say just how that goes up and down, the advising consent of the sponsor board and so on.

I'm If if you feel like you can make it happen so that we could include that in the OMP meeting on the fifteenth Oh, I I can I can have it either? Then if you just have someone here from your office That's not there I can go in too.

I can I can have it to you before before that meeting,

so hopefully I'm gone the fifteenth and sixteenth of next week? I'm in Philadelphia. Oh, that's yours. That was

Yeah. Can I run up the rocky stairs?

There you go. So so I could do it on Wednesday, but after that, I'm going. Yeah. K? Well, Rocky, then Yeah. I'll get a picture on this down. Yeah.

Send me a selfie. Yeah.

More likely in Downtown Philadelphia. I'll send you a picture being mugged.

Someone stealing the cheesesteak right out of your hand.

A student was shot and killed on the perimeter of the Wharton campus about two weeks ago. It's it's it's one of those University of Pennsylvania means an Ivy League school right in the middle of Philadelphia. Typically, those Ivy League schools were in the beautiful American cities that have now deteriorated and Yeah. Are dangerous.

Darn it. Yeah. So when you were saying the Monday, were you talking about Monday the eighteenth?

No. But he's gone then. When you're gone then?

What about say the twenty second? That's next Friday. That's the you know, that'd be the Friday after our next one piece. So we just have three in a row. That's fine. But

Is is when is the next week out?

I'm

I'm gonna work for me, actually. Oh, yeah. We do. Looking I'm not looking at that calendar. Sorry. Wrong. Let me look at that calendar. For the dates. Okay. Hey. Look. I have a meeting on Wednesday, the thirteenth.

Thursday?

Yeah. We might as well spend the whole week here. Right? So we got council meeting Tuesday.

Yeah. What was that? Thursday's open for me. Full

time. George? Yeah. Thursday. Will Thursday be the fourteenth? I think I'm I'm flying on Thursday. You're leaving out Thursday and Friday next week. Wednesday morning?

Yeah. Wednesday morning is open for me. That worked for enough people to make that happen?

I can make that work. We

have a Earlier, the better. We have a there's a fire board.

A workshop. Yeah. So Yeah. There's a workshop already for the council meeting before council meeting.

You could do a pre workshop workshop. You could do it. Yes.

We could. Everyone's taking Tuesday off.

Well, it sounds like Wednesday could work. Wednesday morning? Wednesday morning. Okay. What time morning? Like, 08:30 is when we do the OMP morning meetings. The sooner the better. Is that workable for everyone present?

Wednesday morning. 08:00, Wednesday. AM? Yep. I

looked right at you. Yep. We knew we knew where to ask. Let's go set. Okay. Let's set Wednesday Scoop of May 13 at 8AM in this room.

I heard that.

The price of the ring goes. I said I couldn't go to the gym. I mean, do you

Okay. So maybe like an Andrew. Right? Yes. 8AM.

And I'll I'll get with Andrew to get that the room scheduled and all that stuff. So k. Well, so as as was mentioned, we also have a regular OMP set for the fifteenth. We do have a full agenda, so we will do both. That one's at 08:30.

We can't judge it to 08:30. Well If I'm the only reason you want it to be 08:30, I will take it for I I feel like

the traffic at 08:30 isn't all that much better than it would be at 07:45 or, you know, at 08:15 or 07:45. Yeah. So so yeah. I think that works better for me to get in here from you. I'll make it work. K. So we will be busy, but this is important stuff. So alright. Thank you, everybody. Appreciate the open discussion dialogue, and we are well, motion we adjourn.

Thank you. So moved. Great.