Logan-Cache Airport Authority Board Meeting 09-04-2025

This meeting of the Logan Cash Airport Authority board to order, and our first action item on our agenda is approval of our minutes from our July 3 meeting. Thank you, Janine, for preparing those and sending those out. I would entertain a motion from the board for approval of those minutes.

I'll make that motion to approve the minutes. Is it July 3 meeting?

K. We have a motion. Do we have a second? I'll second that. K. We have a motion and a second on the minutes. Are there any changes, corrections, updates, additions? Hearing none, I'll call for the vote. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? K. That's unanimous. Thank you, Janine. That brings us to number three on our agenda reports, and our first report is our manager's report. Bob?

Good morning. Our first our first update here is, that I think I mentioned last time, the Arrow the Arrow Simple software that we are implementing. We've been putting all of our assets into the into the database, which means every light, every sign, every piece of equipment will be in our database. So if there's ever a discrepancy that we find during our inspection, we can mark which light and exactly where it is. Then a work order is generated in the computer system, and then it tracks it track it tracks the issue all the way through to the finish of, okay, it was completed, and it was reviewed that it was completed on this date. It's gonna help us instead of paper tracking, it's gonna help us really focus on tracking a problem from start to finish, and we can also put cost in there of how much how much the parts were that we used to repair the issue. So we're pretty excited about it, and it's gonna be really helpful. Like I said, we've been we've been doing paper and and AeroSimple for a little while now, especially on our daily inspections. That is something that has to be done every day. Seven days a week, a day a day inspection has to be done, and one night a week, a night inspection has to be done. And we've been doing those on paper for all these years, and I've got feet worth of, inspections just stacked up papers, you know. Here's the inspection. Well, now we've we've been doing them in in tandem with the paper inspection. We've been getting used to the Arrow Simple and doing it on a on your phone. There's an app that that we've been doing it on. We haven't got complete approval from the FAA yet, but I have submitted that. And so once we get the approval, we'll just switch over to paperless, and that will also aid with being able to track a problem from start to finish. And so we don't have open discrepancies for long periods of time without them being fixed. Also, we can track the expense. So we expect that approval to be forthcoming. Also, all of our training documents have been paper and just just find the paper wherever the file is. Now, we're transitioning all that over into Arrow Simple. There's this training section. You can just go right there. Hey, who who's coming out? Who's coming up on a training date? And you can just look at the at the at the schedule there and and stay on track of who's coming up. Also, our wildlife hazard log, you go out and you see see a flock of geese fly over. Well, we've been tracking that with paper. And then at the end of the year, when I put in for our depredation permit with the federal government, I have to go back through and and and count each one. And we're again, we're going to the arrow simple. Long story short, we're happy about this software. It's gonna be very helpful. It's gonna help us go paperless. It's gonna help us be more efficient and more effective. Moving on to the part one thirty nine inspection. Overall, we passed the inspection. Our inspector, Andrew Edstrom, commented between five and ten times how impressed he was with the improvements we've made, that he really appreciated that we listened to him last year. He said over and over, I notice how much improvement you've made in the in the movement area. He said, none of your pilots will tell you, but I'll tell you. You did a good job. He was specifically impressed with our aggressive attack on the cat on the cattails along the west side. Some of the ditch banks, we've been putting wire mesh across the water so the ducks and geese can't land there. Good time to maybe interject here. Our long term goal is there is to is to culvert some of that open water. So, you know, it's culverted. And then between the taxiway and the runway, it's it's open water. And it's like, That's that's where you don't want birds. Anyway, long term long term goal that I interjected there. Let's see what else. He did say he's happy with our staffing level that he's he's thankful that we listened to him on that last year. We've got another we've got Casey. Here's our full timer. I've got three part timers. He did say that is considered a skeleton crew, and don't fall below that, which we we don't intend to do. He said our our new paint on our runway looked great. He liked that. He also agreed with our decision to purchase a crack seal machine. As as we've mentioned before, we we purchased a a used crack seal machine from Public Works. We've got that running. Thanks to Casey and and his, research on the Internet and getting with getting the manuals off the inner Internet and and digging into that. We've got it running. We've done much crack slugs We haven't done any yet. We we still need to come up with running, you just Right. And actually We need we need to come up with an air compressor to blow out the cracks and then we can get going. Andrew Edstrom also said, okay. Once you do the crack repair, your next goal should be buy some sort of walk behind paint machine instead of instead of relying on the the grant money for paint maintenance every three or four years. He said you should be you should be repairing stuff as it becomes an issue. So we're looking into that. I have requested we're trying to build kind of our own in internal public works as it were, maintenance maintenance and pavement repair. You know, we started with the crack seal machine. We'd like to move on to an air compressor to crack you know, for the crack seal preparation, paint machine, and and those things. I requested some some ongoing funds in my budget that reflect that. Some things he'd like us to work on. He gave us some recommendations on wording in the ACM or air airport certification manual. For example, right now, it says that if our if our ARFF truck goes down, we'll use the Logan City's backup. Well, they don't have a backup. They have they have fire trucks, but they're not ARFF trucks. And so we just need to remove that language. That's one example of of inconsistencies of what we have written and and what's actually in place. And we've identified those things, and I I will be making those changes, submitting them to him for approval. Once we get the approval, we'll be more in line with what is what's actually happening. And and then everything's everything's everybody's happy. Just a short equipment report. Both of our snowplows are currently in the shop for preventative maintenance. We where last winter was pretty light, we had some excess funds in on that line item. So we thought that was a good chance to, hey, let's fix up some of our antique roadshow here. And we we've taken them to the shop and say, give them give everything a once and a twice over. Look for oil leaks, transmission leaks, worn tires. If something needs a new blade, we had one that the heater didn't work. So we're getting all those things checked into, looked at, fixed. One of the trucks, I think we're getting four, six. How many tires? Six. All six tire six tires that were at end of their useful life. So, anyway, it's a good it's a good, time to get that done. Our snowblower is still in the shop. It's not that it's a hard project to fix. It's that they're waiting on the they've been waiting on the gear to be machined. It's a specialized machining. It's on like four different axises and they had to find the right person that would do that. They found that person. That person is working on machining this gear. The reason we're having it machined, well, the the part is forty five years old and we did find one replacement used replacement part back east, but they wanted an excessive amount of money for for a really, really old part. And so to get a new one machine was a fraction of that price, but we just have to wait for it to get done. Thankfully, we've had the summer to do that. So that's where we're at on on our equipment there. Our truck repairs has been an unexpected year. We we had to put new foam in, which cost us money. With new foam, it now sprays different. And so the concentration of the foam was down per water. And so we had to have it recalibrated for the concentration so that it was within the FAA parameters. So that cost more money. We had several breakdowns. The the ARFF truck has to accelerate to 50 miles an hour in under twenty five seconds to be considered ARFF certified and to pass the FAA inspection. It was not even close. It was what were we? About fifty seconds? Yeah. Forty five. Forty four forty five to fifty seconds. It was it was slow enough that when we did our training this year with the firefighters that they said, what's going on with your truck? And we thought, I don't know. We we'd never driven it. It was during the during the recertification or the certification that Casey and I were certified to drive the truck. So we've since been driving a couple times a week to keep the lubrication and things working the way they should. But there was there were some extensive repair bills to get it up to speed. Now it passes quite comfortably. But we let's see. We've come up with so far this year, expenses for the ARFF truck alone, $89,335.42. Some of that was training, which we've paid, which was budgeted for. Some of that was foam, which I've already paid. And that total is $46,001.65. And the amount that I'm short is 43,170. I've gotten with, the county finance director, Matt Funk, and requested an amendment to the airport budget for the year to cover that, with the expectation that USU is gonna step in. I've been working with with, mister Hughey, on some of these numbers. So just just so you just so you're aware of things that are going on. Also, the PAPI control lights from last year's inspection still have not been moved, but we have we we now have the estimate and and and a plan. There were some the reason for the delay is we weren't sure where he wanted them, how far he wanted them. And so we've we've got a clear direction and a clear plan now. And the estimate to move both of those PAPI control units is $50,000 which we don't have in the budget. So that'll be more money that we're asking for an amendment for and have asking USU to reimburse us for. Does the board have any questions for me?

I just wanna say, first off, congratulations. And I hope everyone recognizes what a monumental achievement that is to do so well on the part one thirty nine inspection. So good job to you and your staff. Thank you.

Thank you. I appreciate that. Any other questions, Tom? I will just mention, Bob, I have reached I've met with mister Kelly from Utah State, went through those items,

and the board will recall there was a sheet that was provided here

ARFF phone certification, all those kinds of things. So Dave is going through those. And the one thing that popped out is the costs on the 139 truck were substantially higher. And so I'm And they were fine with moving the PAPI's, all the things that we did on that sheet. So I would anticipate a check coming from them. The one thing is that if the board's alright with this, I'm probably gonna step out of the way, Bob, and have you communicate directly with Utah State. Okay. I feel like I'm just holding up that process. They just need that communication and Okay. Yeah. If you you just shoot me an email with the contact information, that'd be fine. Yeah. That'd be fine.

Okay.

Probably ought to look at getting a replacement of the ARFF truck on our CIP a number of years out. So that

Yeah. The the language I remember vaguely. It's you can use a truck up to fifteen years, or if the cost you know, the repair cost become, you know, too high. Yeah. We do need to start looking at how we're gonna come up with a new ARFF truck. Because, I mean, ninety ninety thousand this year alone.

The FAA needs at least five years of planning

Yep.

In order to get it in their fund funding cycle.

Yep. Okay.

There you go. Any other questions for Bob? I do have one other question, maybe not directly for you, but, just as an update while we're on updates. Professor Barron, will you just give us an update on the latest on the air show, air fest?

I appreciate that. And I feel like I'm part of the, the the engagement community engagement committee for years. I've got flyers for the five k on the September 13 as well as the girls in aviation on the September 27. So there's a lot of exciting things at the airport. Just to follow-up, I received really good feedback since our performance. We had over 7,000 folks there, a lot of lot of energy and excitement. People have been commenting about doing it and we had said we're not going to do it next year, just to reemphasize that against Hill Air Force Base. So we're planning on two years and four years, maybe on on that cycle. But, we have a several commitments for folks that, had had promised money with my tragedy. I left town. I was not here for a month and, my finance person didn't follow-up with any of those commitments. So I'm still trying to follow-up with some of those commitments because we had about $15,000 of folks that said, oh yeah, we'll we'll support. And and none of that, unfortunately, has come through. So, if anybody has any contacts, I know that's kind of what we're doing right now is we're just trying to play catch up on some of those bills. So, to update you that that's the number that we're a little bit short there. So I've I've reached out to some folks to try to who we contacted before that made commitments just to proceed. I think there was a confusion about where to send those. So the Bear River Association government's community is gonna be able to take those receipts. So if you can get checks to me or to Sean Milne, then we can deposit those in that organization. So then it becomes a donation. So I just wanna clarify that process and then they'll issue the checks out to the vendors we still need to pay.

What else can the board members do to help? So if if they if they have community connections,

because I know like I said, some of the the folks that were contacted by our finance person, when they stepped out, we lost contact with some of that. So right now, that's what we're just looking for is if if people have contacts with some of the community folks or or are willing to help support this event. Because I'd like to try to close this year out before we start raising funds for two years. But if you have any questions, you can talk contact me or or Sean and he'll be able to get those checks deposited for anyone who wants to support. So, by going through the Bear Room Association of Governments community organization, then we're able to actually get that a donation and tax write off.

It's just that non profit as a governing board member. Mister Zook, I know that you're aware of it. So for the benefit of the record, the Community Services Foundation is a nonprofit that is associated with Bragg, and thus, the corporations and private individuals that donate can get that tax write off. Utah State is

a

organization as well. But they didn't run the air air fest. Okay. Yeah. So this was a Cache Valley Aviation Association airport board. This was a community event. Okay. Yeah. So the the event on Friday was hosted by Utah State University, but, you know, that Friday evening event was hosted by the the Department of Transportation Summit. For all those that were there, that was a great event. Their largest awards event they've had ever, 172 people in attendance. So that was a great event.

Would you still have contact with the people that you are missing?

So I had several of the committee members had contacts with the community, but when those people in the committee disappeared, I I didn't know who they talked to. So that's what I'm saying. I'm just kind of left holding the bag. So a few of the folks that I've talked to, I've been able to follow-up with. But, unfortunately, when some committee volunteers had left, I I lost those contacts and I was out of pocket for four to six weeks. So I just am now playing catch up. Okay. Sorry about that. No. I appreciate that. But, you know, we appreciate the support especially, you know, Cache Valley Electric was our our premier sponsor. We did get some support from, the Marriott Hotel providing some hotel rooms for our our performers. So we did have some support from downtown. It's not that there was nothing, but we just had about $15,000 of commitments of people that said, oh, yeah, I'll donate and I even promised them a ride with Brad and but none of those folks came through, so Brad hasn't flown anybody and that offer is still there. So for for a $5,000 donation, you'll get an airbag flight with Brad Wursten. Thank you for your time and I appreciate that. Thank you for all your work on that.

That brings us to item three c on our agenda, airport projects update. Judd?

How you doing? So some good updates with all the different projects going on right now. First off, half a year ago, the airport layout plan was submitted to the FAA for their review, and it finally got processed through. And so fully accept well, there were three minor corrections on it. They just wanted one additional graphic. So we made those. It was a thirty minute fix, and it is that project is complete. It is out for signature now. So that will wrap up that, airport layout plan update, airport master plan update. Will that be posted on our website or is it already posted on our website? Should we look That's a 100% up to you. It's I would say it's probably $70.30 for airports of whether they post it or not. So it's in definitely an easy one to get posted. Next is the snow removal equipment. That grant is somewhere out for signature within the organization or within your organization right now. I don't I know that it had been sent out but, I'm I can't track it. It's coming from the FAA for the signatures for the new that's the dump truck with the plow. So that's that grant. That's the only grant. So far this year, the FAA has issued 19 grants for the state of Utah. I'm not sure of the exact number. It's somewhere between sixty and eighty grants that are going out. And they now have twenty seven days to get those out. So that one is the only grant out right now. There's also the tax link kilo. That grant has not come out yet. But I would be anticipating seeing that sometime in the next couple of days. Just because they're the federal government's running up against a September 30 end of the fiscal year. So, should be seeing that funding. And then finally, taxiway Charlie project. It had gone out to bid. The bids came in great, but they were wrong. So, Wrong? Wrong. The well, there were two bidders out wrong or what? They said they filled them out wrong? They did fill it out wrong. So our engineering estimate was using round numbers, 574 for the construction. There were two bids that came in from Staker Parsons. Theirs came in at $5.42, and Kilgore came in at $6.98. So, obviously, the Staker bid looked great. I mean, it was 30 k underneath the estimate. However, one of the explicit components of that bid deals with mobilization. Mobilization has to be at a maximum of 10% of the total project cost. The idea with that is you don't want 90% of the project being billed as mobilization, then they could just build a horrible product and still make 90% of their money. So mobilization is listed at 10%. Again, five seventy four estimate, five forty two bid. Of that five forty two, their mobilization was 22%. So that bid could not be accepted. The $6.98 bid of Kilgore exceeded the amount of money that was available to the project. Now this project is state funded, which helps with a little bit of wiggle room. If it had been federally funded, you would just throw out that incorrect low bid and option one, award it. Option two, do nothing. The state agreed to let the project be rebid. So, it was rebid. The two companies came back two weeks later with new bids. Kilgore dropped their bid from $6.98 to $6.74. Staker raised their bid from $5.43 to $6.33, which puts it over the available funding that the state had allocated. And we've been working with the state as of last Thursday. The state that's when, we found out the rebate cost that was the higher the $6.33 and presented to well, David was cc'd on it and working with UDOT. We haven't heard back yet about how UDOT is going to proceed. And I tried again calling this morning. They just weren't in the office yet. So we're waiting on that. It's unfortunate that couldn't just award the one bid that was 30 k underestimate and would have gotten it done great. But because it was an incorrect bid, had we awarded it, Kilgore would have been able to successfully protest the bid and then get into the legal realm. So that was something that just had to be done. So we're working through that problem now. So any questions on those projects?

No. Appreciate what you're doing.

We'll definitely keep you up to date with any new I would say, just put it out there, like I said, especially with look in someone's email inbox, there's gonna be a grant out for signature from the FAA, and it's going to the authority of this county, the city, and attorneys. So, just make sure to check your email for the, snow removal equipment grant that's out there. And then, the taxi link kilo grant, I would anticipate coming within the next five days. And Get those signed in back before And it's all electronic signature. So it's Yeah. It definitely beats that was the one good thing that come out of COVID is that it saves FedEx and hard signatures. Yep.

So Thank you so much for those updates. Any questions for Judd? K. Appreciate your help. That brings us down to number four on our agenda. Special interest and discussion items. And item four a is airport development plan and proposal. And we have Kyle Fisher down to give us a presentation. Kyle?

I'll just hand balance.

What we're gonna be looking at today. Thank you. Hi. So I'm Kyle Fisher. I'm a builder, and I have a group of guys here with me today that we're looking to, I guess, to fill out some more of the airport to provide more hangar space. So partners and I would like to be with the airport board to finance and construct the next phase of the airport infrastructure. And this would be extending taxiway and delivering new hangars consistent with the airport, layout plan while meeting the needs of both the airport board and the FAA. So how we do this? First off is finance and construct and the construction of the taxiway extension and also have all of the utilities and everything brought over. And I'll put we've got some renderings here. So we're at so this is taxiway Kilo. So this is West Of Juliet. And so it would be kind of the phase of building this taxiway out to have more new hangars. And so we wanna do it in multiple phases just to align with the growth of the airport, to not go too fast or not too slow with the growth. We'll design and construct hangars consistent with the airport layout plan, offer complete hangars or offer completed hangars at fair market value, provide a full management, and kind of engineering construction and all of the sales of the hangers that we build. The board partnership, we want to establish and develop an agreement to ensure the alignment with the FAA standards, the airport layout plan for 2025, and the airport minimum standards. And we'd love to work with the board in phasing, and compliance and with all the approvals. And this has lots of benefits. One being immediate infrastructure, investment without public expense, transparent market based hanger sales with board and then phased growth to accommodate both current demand and future expansion, professional management of contracts, engineering, and project delivery, and reinforce the long term economic value of the airport. And so we just wanted to get any questions that you guys might have with this proposal.

So how many how many hangar units within the two phases?

So the first phase, we want to do as you can see, I with talking with Bob, it sounds like we wanna try to fit as most as many hangers as we can. And so we're proposing more of, like, a duplex hanger. So they have one adjoining wall in the middle to just save space. But the first phase would be four hangars, but two full buildings.

K. Thank you. Mhmm. I have a question. It says that you propose to partner with the airport to finance and construct these. Are you requesting a partnership from the airport

on the financing side, or are you proposing to finance this complete year completely yourselves? Planning on financing it completely.

And it also says partnering with us to construct. Are you expecting anything from us on the construction, or are you handling all of that? No. Mostly just coordinating with you guys to make sure it's

to the airport layout plan, make sure everything's in line also with the FAA. K. And then my next question is,

you mentioned this would be along taxiway kilo. Mhmm. What what what infrastructure is currently there, and and what is the plan to build out that taxiway? It's maybe kind of a question for Bob and Judd. I think

I think Kilo You need to come to the mic.

It's

it's basically between So you come up to the mic, please.

The area that he's talking about used to be where we planned on kilo, and now we've moved Kilo over. So the area that he's talking about is the the current Road Juliet, which is the most northwestern portion of hangars, new hangars there, it will be directly behind there and between the abandoned runway. So it's undeveloped but

it's a great spot for development. And so did we plan to build a taxiway in that location?

Yes? We we don't have a current plan, but it should be noted that the FAA has has stopped funding taxi lanes. The only way we're able to do kilo is because of the, the BIL, the bipartisan infrastructure legislation. That didn't come from the FAA. They're done lanes, we've gotta come up with it ourselves or we've gotta bring in investors

that who are willing to do that. Okay. So it's on our plan to be built, but we didn't have any plan or ability to fund it. Is that what you're saying? Yep. And what we're talking about is a private developer building that for us? Yes.

So, Judd, can you talk a little bit about where that where that particular taxiway is in the plan? Like, what is it the first priority? Is it the tenth priority?

It is within the airport layout plan, and just for a quick nomenclature because I did reference kilo. Yeah. That was And as it was said,

this

it as India because of the, confusion of the letter I in the number one. Okay. So that's where the project that is being funded with the bill funding is taxi lane kilo. So this So in the new airport layout plan, this is Lima or just because it's the next letter L.

Okay. Okay. So the one that we're talking about then building would be called Lima? Correct. Okay.

And, it is the next taxi lane priority? It would be the next one to be That would be the next location to be built. If you're looking at, the corporate size hangars or the larger size hangars. Farther to the north, the airport layout plan shows smaller hangars and then there's also,

a These are gonna be duplex hangers, so they're really small, but they look big.

No. They will be they'll each be, like, a 100 by a 100, but it's two of them. So, really, it's 200 by 100.

Brett, what's yours? The CVE one?

It's big.

I I do believe that would be the largest hangar on the largest singular structure on the airport would be a 200 by 100 building. K. So

oh, so they're they're they're each a 100 feet. Mhmm. They're not 100 feet divided in half into fifties.

Correct.

And there and so as far as the what is the next priority, that is truly a board decision because there's two general types of hangers. There's the larger corporate type hangar, and then there is the smaller hangers where there is room kind of to the south. There is additional taxi lanes that could be developed down here that would be focused on the smaller size hangars, the stand alone 40 by forties, 50 by 50 site type hangars. So it which one is the priority truly is a local decision as to what is the immediate what is the need of the airport and the users. But this is coming off taxably Charlie. Right? Correct. It's not? Okay. Perpendicular to Charlie straight out.

Other questions from the board?

So, mister Fisher, what you're suggesting is that you as a developer will develop hanger. We still own the land, obviously. Yes. You will sell the hangers, and that price, I'm assuming, would include all the infrastructure.

Yep. That's how we would recover our cost on that. Okay. And and so to the you talked about managing.

Are would you lease some of these out, or are you looking to dispose of all of them? That's up for discussion right now. It would be to sell them to What you intend the need. And for the board, I'm not sure, chairman, if we've got that waiting list. I'm not sure how that works when you have something that comes in

We do have the waiting list with all the, I guess, wanted hanger sizes. And so if this is something that gets pushed and is approved, we would reach out

to each of them and kinda offer this. You would offer these hangers to them first? Mhmm.

Correct. Give them first And kinda say, hey. This is what it is. This is the price to build out with the taxi lane included and selling it kinda that former fair market value. And so that way, they can have the option to then, hey. We wanna move forward. This could be faster to get our hangar and get our plane here.

So speaking of that, are there those that want much smaller units?

There are. There are quite a bit of, like, the 50 by 50. Are they near the top then? It ranges back and forth.

So you'd your proposal then is to go through the list from those that are more current, those that have been waiting the longest, that would want this size. So Yes. It wouldn't actually satisfy the waiting list Consequentially.

Per se. Yeah. And, you know, there could be options of, you know, depending cost wise if one side of the taxi lane, we actually build some smaller, the other side. It's up for discussion to figure out how to meet these needs. But I know after talking with Bob that some people don't know the exact size hanger they actually want. They can just put a number on there just because you need to.

You don't necessarily have to discriminate about those who guessed that there might be a 50 by 50. Mhmm. You could go one through 18 and tell them what's available. Exactly. And have them have the opportunity to either three others. Mhmm. And so there'd be a way for you to go through

everyone on the list. Exactly.

To my mind, that'd be the only fair way to do it.

Yeah.

And we're completely willing to do that. But then everybody would have a chance to say,

Brett, you're thinking. Yes or no? Brett's over there thinking. I I just I appreciate you thinking about filling some needs that the airport, I believe, has. Mhmm. If someone were to buy a Challenger three fifty or something, I don't know where they would put that Challenger three fifty. In Ogden.

In Ogden? Where it's parked right now.

In Ogden. In Ogden. In Ogden. Yeah. I get it. I get it. And so I appreciate you being creative and coming up with some ideas of of how to to meet that need and that demand. The only reason Ginny, I appreciate you pointing that out. I was just sitting there trying to figure out what does that cost, and is there an appetite to to take that kind of product in the market? And clearly, you guys have done your budgets and your projections, and you know that there's there's some demand for it. Yeah.

Other than international, Spanish Fork is the only airport in the state that is experiencing a lot of growth, and it is all private investor. Hangers. They've Heritage 40 by 40 privately owned hangars. They've been totally replaced by all zero lot line investor developed hangars. And aesthetically, it's really looks different because it it looks like you're pulling into an industrial complex that just happens to have that'd be filled with airplanes. Mhmm. Because all of the buildings are essentially the same architecture, the same coloring, and it's it appears to be the the only way currently that this can be done. The airport has been approached by several investors in the last year, exploring the possibility either on property or immediately adjacent to property of developing for the benefit of the airport. And this seems to be an answer to one of our challenges.

So just to be clear, this is like a subdivision in my mind, but we still own the ground Yep. Under which the hangars are built. We own the taxiway when it's finished. It has to be done to FAA standards, and it's dedicated back to the I mean, is it ever taken away from the airport? How does that We would always own it. Yeah. But if for some reason they got halfway done and decided they didn't feel like doing this project again, where do we stand? We would probably wanna bond to cover that.

Yeah. Same as other public improvements like at the city or county. If they don't have substantial completion, then we'd wanna be able to have some funding mechanism going and complete it.

I have a couple of questions or thoughts. So first, my first the hanger the hanger I first parked in is like this, a zero lot line, a 100 bike that size. So I I've been in and parked in one of these for a few years, so I like the design. As far as the partnership you're asking us for is is just the availability of that space. Right? You're not asking for finance or anything else? I'm asking for finance. Just the approval to get it going. The nice thing with us having a very detailed master plan that has a lot of spots Mhmm. Is we can have several of these going on at the same time. So, each one of the new taxi lanes that wanted one, we have we have spots that we can have. How many could come off of Taxiway Charlie? How many of these could be simultaneously be being built at the same time? How many how many could we work on? Six? Eight? About 10. 10? So at this point, it it allows for anybody else that's that's wanting one. This doesn't say this is the only one that can be built at at at a particular time. We could have, honestly, 10 subdivision routes going in being built at the same point. We certainly have need, having been on a on a waiting list for over four years to get into a hangar. I I can tell you that there is a certainly a waiting list to get in, certainly a need. I'm glad that we got our master plan layout completed before we had these, and and we have a lot of space. I am concerned when you say that there's a chance that you'd have some smaller we we have designed certain spaces for smaller ones and larger ones. We don't we don't wanna put in more of a taxi lane and and have it larger and wider. Doesn't make sense. And then start to use smaller planes because of of the the depth of maintenance we have to take care of for that. So, I mean, I don't I don't really wanna see it to be a lot of smaller ones or smaller hanger spaces.

And in that master plan, it shows the smaller, like, t hangers further down the In different spots in different areas. So,

anyway, I just wanted to make sure that was a query clear that we're not one being restrictive on on a this is the only person that can do this kind of a thing. And do we how do we select and how do we pick it? Because we have several and any of those other developers could come in and and work those same kind of things as long as we had that. Would want to have some type of, when we do make that approval, and I don't know whether that's today, but making that approval, I would want to have a time frame of of when that phase is expected to be done and and phase one and phase two so that we know, you know, your bond, how long how long is that gonna take you and and don't want you just sitting there for a long term. Then my other my other one is we wanna make sure that these are are airplane hangars and not

Storage units. Public storage units. Yeah. So Well, I think that critically important would be whatever kind of a contract we enter into with that particular developer because I would want to have some estimation of completion, and he talks about selling them with airport cooperation. I don't know what that means.

I think our cooperation will issue a lease to those and won't hold a reasonable lease back. I'm I'm assuming that's the only cooperation you're asking of us because that's that's what we would have to offer. When they're finished when they're completed,

aren't they leased immediately?

Even if they're not sold? Yes. No. If we haven't signed a lease, they're not leased. Well, that that that gets to a question that I have, and I'm gonna probably be a little bit of a wet blanket. So good bureaucrat time here. A, I trust that the market demand is there for the first few units in the phase. I'm not worried about that, but I am curious what the overall market opportunity is. I suspect it's it's large enough to take on 10 units. No problem. Particularly when I consider what Garden City is going to continue to grow to be, and how some analogous comparison to Park City Deer Valley years ago was. And the conversations that the county has are in my role at Bragg representing Rich County and some of their challenging community conversations about what they don't wanna become, but are likely to become. So we'll be the next closest airport for that kind of, element just like John noted that Silicon Slopes doesn't exist in Spanish Fork, but it's the next largest opportunity for those folks to place their craft. So I think the demand's there, but I'd like to be reassured as to what the demand actually could be, and make sure that we build it out according to what Lochner and others have estimated. But then this gets back to the the wet blanket part. I know that we've renegotiated the leases, but Bob, as I look towards you and I think about questions Matt Funk would ask the council, and I gotta imagine Logan City's leaders would feel the same way, where we've been deferring maintenance for a number of years to the point that we're talking about the ARFF truck needing to be replaced at the fullest extension of its lifetime the FAA would like to see. We know our revenue streams as they currently are and have been recently, you know, in years, is not enough to pay for our maintenance. And I don't worry about the buildings being owned by somebody else, but that asphalt, to Ryan's point about, you know, the width and making sure we're not building taxiways wider than we need for the demand of craft using it. I just wanna make sure that per square footage, our lease rates actually help us with the maintenance of this, because if we're not gonna get grants going forward, and the federal government doesn't look like the reliable partner we've been able to think of uh-huh. Then we have to look at our land side operations to be able to pay for that, lest the city and county continue to have tough conversations about making general fund contributions to subsidize the operations. I don't think that we need to worry about that with four of them, but I just worry that long term, we really need to think about what the financing looks like and how if not that I'm gonna encourage a tiered approach, but if we have leases with folks that we've discussed in the last year being one thing, and we're talking about adding a lot more of our maintenance needs. Bob, I would just wanna make sure that you're set up to not have reoccurring years of tough conversations with the airport authority saying, I don't have enough money to maintain

all the asphalt we've built out. And I appreciate you thinking about that. That is that that is a concern. That being said, this would be brand new asphalt. It would be several years before it needed to be maintained. And in that time frame, as I discussed in my report, we're trying to build an internal maintenance, you know, public works type unit where we can repair, maintain asphalt. And, that that's our goal, to be able to do a lot of that stuff in house instead of just waiting for the FAA to come around with a with a grant. So, I think by the time a new taxi lane would need repair, we will be in a better position ourselves to maintain it.

I just I wanted to give a good nod to what Jeannie was saying. You know, if we're gonna build this out, even if you guys don't get it sold, we still have a deteriorating asset that needs to be on a maintenance schedule. And I just wanna make sure we're protected that if market conditions change Mhmm. And you guys can't sell, you're still paying a lease to the board, and not us, you know, the airport you'd Yeah. But Well, I would imagine that

as soon as we entered into this project, they would enter into a lease with us. As soon as they start operating, constructing on that land, their right to do that is because they would be leasing it from us. And until they transfer that lease to a tenant or somebody they sell it to, it would be in their name. Correct. So what what we have on our agenda today is a proposal. This is for discussion. This is not an action item that we're asking for a vote on, but what I would imagine would be the next step would be that we would ask our airport manager to work with our attorneys and the proposer to draft an agreement that would come back to this board for approval. And, I I think that's the question for this board is is that what you would like to see? Would you like to see a draft agreement for you to consider? K. I'm seeing lots of head nods here. K. So that that would be our direction then to you, Bob, is to work with with this developer and our attorneys to craft an agreement that the board could consider at, perhaps, the next meeting.

Okay. Who exactly is the developer?

Is it just It would be it would be me, and I've got team here. We got Roger, Dally, and Alex. So it's just a you just put yourselves together as a group? Yeah. I'm a builder. Got one that's got history with development and some financing. So three of us make a team.

And are any of you looking to have a hanger at the end?

Yes. One.

Are you on the priority list?

Yes.

I would be I yeah. Okay. I'm fine with that process. Okay. With that direction to staff

or or did you have any input, Taylor?

My my only input would be the fact that we have a waiting list on its own tells me we need more hangar space. Ideally, we should have a couple vacancies at any given time so that we can attract additional growth rather than having to arrest all growth and tell them, well, there's a four year minimum waiting time. That's that's not ideal if you wanna have an operation that is growing, able to attract new customers. Part of Bob's mission right now is to increase revenues. The only way we're going to do that is by putting tenants on the property, getting them paying leases. And, that's one of our main sources of income. And, so, that being said, I I think this is a good direction. It's avoiding the board having to finance it on its own. It's avoiding us having to, take on a lot of expense. The developer's the one rolling the dice here. They're the ones who are are really taking the risk. And so,

yeah, I'm happy to help you however I can. As an economic development person, Kirk, I I love the attorney. I can't believe that I love the attorney's words right there. That's so awesome the way that you were pro growth there, but that's great.

Okay. Alright. It's do you have any questions, Bob, for for us? I have one comment. It's worth noting, although we have a waiting list of eighteen, nineteen, I do continue to get phone calls. One, probably every week, every two weeks. Hey, I need a hanger. Hey, I need some hanger space. What do you have? And these aren't represented by the waiting list. I'm constantly taking phone calls about hangar space. So it's a regional problem, not just us. It's it's a regional problem. And if we can help solve it, that just gonna increase our our leases here. Asking To rent

space, or do they wanna own a hangar? Both. So are they willing to be put on the waiting list?

Some are, some aren't.

Some But do you figure they'll just call often enough you'll finally say yes?

Well, they're they're I'm sorry. No. No. That's a fair question. But they're calling around. You know, they they call us. They call Ogden. They call you know, they call around, hey. Have you got anything? And and maybe they decide, well, the wait list is too long. They don't have any open space anyway. So why would I pay $500 to get on the waiting list when it's gonna be five years down the road? And by then, I've, you know, I've I've found somewhere else. So

that could be the answer. Go to Preston because there's investor in Preston that's building the hangers for anybody that wants one.

Yeah. K. Alright. Let's move on. Bob, if you'll just stay up there at the microphone. Thank you for your presentation. Thanks, Kyle. Yes. Thank you very much, Kyle, and we look forward to talking more. I can That brings us then to number four b on our agenda, which is a discussion about airport rules and regulations and updating those rules and regulations. Bob?

I was encouraged by our FAA inspector to update our rules and regulations manual. This was already on my mind. The most recent rules and regulations manual that we have at the airport is decades old. It's out of date. One thing, reading through it, it's very it misses a lot of things. For example, here, a month or so ago, I came into the airport. I I came in to it was in the evening. It was seven, 08:00 at night. I I needed to come into the office to do something. And when I got there, there was a young man at the gate asking if I was there for the ward party, and he was just opening the gate for whoever. And once I got inside, there was probably 200 people there. There were go karts going up and down the taxi lanes and people everywhere. And Wow.

Yeah. Good thing the FAA inspector wasn't there at that moment. Right? Yeah.

So I have I I'd like to get with the with the board to to tell you, one, I'm updating the rules and regulations manual to to address some of these issues. Also, it is, kind of a problem at the airport. I've got half the tenants that that come to me and say, hey, Bob. When are you gonna crack down on the self storage, that's going on in the hangars? You know, there's some hangars that don't have any airplanes and they're full of self storage. There's some that have a token broken down aircraft in there and then the rest is self storage. And then, I've got several other other tenants who are very, very resistant who happen to fall in that category of self storage, who are very resistant to even having a a cordial conversation about the topic. So, I I guess I'm requesting advice, a way forward. I know what the lease says. It says if you're out of compliance, you've got thirty days to cure it, and then we start eviction process. And I I wonder if that's if that's what we wanna do, or is there another route that we can take? But, it's a problem. We've got a lot of self storage at the airport. What will you tell us what is the FAA

regulation?

The FAA regulation is it should be primarily used for, excuse me, aviation related purposes. Peripheral storage is approved, but the the majority of the of the hangers should be

aviation related. Okay. So it has to be primarily aviation related, and that's not a rule that's set by us. That's a rule set by the FAA.

And This is in the term of grant assurances. Over the years, we've accepted grant money to to paint for a piece of equipment to to put a taxi lady in. And our response our our part of that contract is grant assurances. It will be used for aviation related purposes. Now we could go away from having that, but we would owe millions and millions of dollars back.

So you're saying the risk to the airport, if we do not enforce this FAA promulgated rule, is that we could have a liability of millions of dollars. Repayment of our branches. We'd be default. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The the previous direction from this board has been both through the lease agreement itself and through verbal direction is to enforce those rules. Is there anyone on this board who thinks our staff should not be enforcing that rule? There's an economic element too. I mean, we need hangers. I mean, they spoke to that. So So the the direction from this board, just to clarify, is that's the rule. It's in the lease. It's the FAA regulation. You're you are directed to enforce that. Okay. Okay. My question would be if he's being I'm not

if he's being I mean, it's a lot to ask one person to come up against somebody who is adamantly opposed to what you're trying to ask of them Mhmm. Do we, as a board, have any ability to give the airport more sway or more muscle?

One thing I have done in anticipation of this conversation is I've gone on on and and bought a camera. When I'm inspecting a hangar or whatever, I'm gonna be wearing a camera. It's gonna record the conversation. It's gonna record what I see in the hangar. One can see it. And if there's a discussion or dispute, we'll just show the footage, what was said, what was in the hangar, and if it complies with the lease.

And if it does not?

That's the question. Let's see. There there's an underground out there of Well, I The very first time I had this conversation with someone a year and a half ago was with I I don't need to name names. It doesn't matter. Right. But he said after thirty minutes of back and forth, I'm gonna push back, and I hope everyone else does too. And I know that there are certain hangar owners that have this underground and have this conversation of, okay, we're still firm. You know, don't comply. This is it's been this way for years, and who's this new guy? And I'm I'm a I'm a I'm a prominent person in the community, so I feel I personally feel threatened with my job sometimes having these conversations because so and so says, you know, you haven't seen upset yet. Wait till you see upset.

I take that as a threat. Who should be concerned, it's those people who are threatening you because you work for us. We've asked you to do this. And if they're threatening you, then and they're and out of if they're out of compliance, then they're gonna be evicted. So I I think this is a very simple issue. Right. I would recommend that we send a letter to everybody, signed by the chair of the board, reminding them of the rules and telling them that we are going to be inspecting. If they're not in compliance, they will be evicted. Okay. Very clear. And it's not you saying that. It's us saying that. Okay. And it's not even really us saying that. It's the FAA. Yep. It's their rule. We have to comply with it. We promise to comply with it when we accepted money from them. And if people don't wanna comply with those rules, we've got more than a dozen people waiting that would love to have that hanger. So I think this is a very simple issue, and I know you get a lot of pressure from people. Yep. And we're gonna tell them, it's the rule. We don't have a choice about it. Okay. It's it's

this is not a storage unit. This is an airport. Yep. So when when I find someone out of compliance and I draft a letter, will I sign that letter and send it in? Will the airport authority chairperson, will the attorney Let's have the chair sign it. Okay. The chairperson will sign. So it's clear that this is coming from the board. Okay.

Alright. We'll move in that direction. I do think I I agree with your suggestion that a letter be drafted from the board stipulating what those concern those rules are. Yeah. Miss mister chair,

I I do wanna know as well that we wanna be as even handed as we can be. We wanna be as fair as we can be. And part of that is following the lease as written. But, also, there will be pushback for the first person that we try to evict. They're gonna say, why me? I'm the first person. How come you're targeting me? And there needs to be a consensus that this they may be the first, but they're just the first on the list, and we're going to enforce it fairly. Every single person who's not complying is going to be evicted. It's not just gonna be targeted or used because, you know, we don't like one person or do like someone else. That's gonna be applied freely and fairly across the board. Everyone can have the expectation that if they're not using it in accordance with the grant assurances, they will be evicted. That it's

just applied fairly across the board. So, Taylor, is it possible for you to draft a letter for us? Is that a role under which we can operate? Or I don't know I don't know who would draft that letter. I don't think Bob should have to draft it.

Well, I think it should be a very simple letter of just we're we're inspecting. And if you're not in compliance with your lease,

you have thirty days secure, or you will be evicted. Yeah. And I I don't think it really needs a lot of legalese in it. It should be very simple. We we can work together with Bob and the chair and and Taylor to get that drafted. So Okay. Let's do that. Let's get that sent out. Let's make sure everybody understands what the rules are that we are going to enforce them. And, Bob, you don't need to worry about losing your job by enforcing this. If you don't enforce it, then you need to worry. Okay.

No. You get mixed you get mixed messages and, you know, and who has power in the valley and who doesn't. And I know you're the board, but I also know people of influence and and wealth and also are the ones donating and shaking hands at meetings. And and all I've gotta do is pull aside somebody and say, hey. You know that Bob down there, he's this and that. And then all of a sudden the mud the water's muddied, and my name's Mud. And The one who has the power is the FAA.

Yep. That's who has the power in in this relationship because

they've given us millions of dollars, and we don't wanna have to give it back. Yep. Okay. K. We'll move forward in that direction. Thank you. Thank you for your work on the Yeah. It's a terrible day if we had to close the airport because we couldn't afford to pay the FAA back. Yeah. That's that's reality.

Yeah. True.

Okay. Now that now that I've Given the new chair something to do. Given all given the chair all the assignments to do, I'm gonna hand over that responsibility to someone else. The next item on our agenda, number five, is to elect a chair and potentially vice chair to our board. As you may have heard, I'm retiring from public service and will no longer be serving as county executive, which means I'll no longer be on this board, which will create a vacancy. So this is my last board meeting as your chair. So I would therefore like to hold an election right now to select a chair and potentially vice chair for the airport board moving forward. And I would nominate John Kerr, who is our current vice chair, to take my role as chair. Are there any other nominations? Okay. Hearing none, I will close nominations and call for a vote for the chairmanship. All in favor of John serving as our chair, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Thank you, John. And

John, you never you never get very far away from that chair, do you?

I I can hear that railroad whistle now.

So, John is currently serving as our vice chair. So with him moving up to the chairmanship position, that would create a vacancy in the vice chair position. So I would open nominations for the position of vice chair. And we do have a couple of board members who are not here right now. Mayor Daines is not here, although she's only going to be in office for a couple for a couple more months, and then she she won't be there anymore. So she probably wouldn't be the best person to put into that role. And Keegan Garrity, who's our county council rep, is not here. But I did ask him, and he said he would be willing to serve in that role if you wanted to nominate him. So with that being said, I would open nominations for vice chair.

Brett, would you be willing to be vice chair?

You'd have my vote if you will. I'd

nominate him. I would nominate him as well. Okay. We have a nomination for Brett. Are there any other nominations? Okay. Hearing none, I will close nominations and call for a vote. All in favor of Brett serving as our vice chair, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. That's unanimous. Thank you for being willing to serve. Appreciate that. Okay. With that being said, our next scheduled board meeting will be Thursday, October 2 at 08:30AM here in these chambers. And unless there is any other business, we will be adjourned. Thank you.

I'd like to express appreciation to David. He's provided good support and leadership to the board. It's been a pleasure working with you. Thank you, John. Appreciate that. Yep. Thank you, David.

Yeah.