Logan-Cache Airport Authority Board Meeting 10-02-2025

Could ask, members of the council to turn on the microphones, please.

Do they need to be close to us?

Welcome you to the October meeting of the Logan Cash Airport Airport Authority Board. We appreciate the interest that you have in the I think people are saying they can't hear you.

Yeah. His is green.

I'll speak up.

That's better. Thank you.

I appreciate your being here. Appreciate the interest you have in the airport. An interest that we share and we're looking forward to an interesting meeting today. We'll begin by, asking for a motion for approval of the, minutes from the last meeting.

So moved. Second.

It's been moved and second reproved at the minutes from the September 4 meeting that have been provided. All in favor, please say aye. Alright. Aye. Any opposed?

John, all abstain. Oh, let's go next time.

Bob? Tell the queue of manager's report, please.

Good morning, everybody. I wanna report on the meeting that George Daines and I had with Dave Calley since the last meeting. Can you hear me? Louder. Louder. Closer. I think that one

is close to the kitchen. Okay.

I'll get it closer. Is that better? Yeah. Yes. Okay. So George and I went up to meet with Dave Calley. Appreciate Brett Hughey kinda starting the conversation in several months ago with the agreement we're seeking with Utah State for reimbursement for costs incurred by the airport, to keep the $1.39 certificate. Dave, was already on board with this, but his concern was that they don't wanna be taken advantage of for other expenses that don't necessarily keep the certificate. And we assured him we're aware of those concerns, and only $1.39 expenses would be billed. USU, we talked about, formal agreement, written agreement, and USU is working on drafting that agreement to present to the board for for a conversation there and to get something in place. So if Dave Cali wins the lottery and isn't there or I'm I win the lottery and I'm not here, there's something in place that the agreement still stands. Budget amendments. So I went to the Appropriations Committee and, and then this went through the county council to give us some money to we've gotta move the PAPI control units. This isn't something new. This is from last year's inspection, and we we've been granted that money. We've been granted a total of 93,170 and 12¢. And the expectation is all that all of that money will be reimbursed by USU once these projects are completed and paid for.

Just a little clarification. That money was not given to us. It is from our reserves. It was just moved from our reserve account to our active

expenditure account. Thanks for the correction, John. Pavement maintenance. Happy to report as part of that budget amendment process. A couple months ago, I had gone and and gotten so our our South Ramp area through those taxi lanes, the old that pavement is in rough shape. It hasn't been maintained. I got three estimates, and we've picked one of the vendors. And through the budget amendment and the and the tap into our reserves, our money. Thank you, John. We've gotten approved to spend that money on the pavement maintenance. They're starting today. They'll be at the airport starting to crack seal. There's some larger cracks they're gonna cut out and just put a, new pavement in and patch. They will be all, then putting two top coats, sealant coats on top. If any tenants would like their driveway done while they're there, please reach out to them. I've got their phone number here. I can read it off or you can hit me up afterwards or you can just grab one of the workers while they're there. I've talked with the manager, of the company. He's he's a 100% okay with that. If you want your driveway, taken care of while they're while they're in town working.

They pay for their own driveway. Yeah.

our project is our project. Anything additional will be billed to the tenant who asked for that work to be done. Okay. Alright. Good question. Fine with the that's fine with the Yes. We yeah. I spoke with them, and they're happy to do it. They they know there may be multiple billings. Okay. Our project is our project. Anything additional will be on the tenant. Okay. I meant to mention that. Thanks for asking. Thank you. CIP plan. John Kerr and I had an opportunity last week to meet with Judd and Connor, representatives from the FAA and UDOT Aeronautics department, to plan for capital improvements. Everything's on track. We did add a new ARFF truck, in six years to the to the plan, 2031. That that's the only thing new on the CIP planning. So as you know, we've had, if you if you looked at the if you looked at the agenda for today, we've had a draft proposed for development, at the airport. You should each have a copy of that initial, agreement that to be reviewed. And there's, several others on the agenda today with the same idea. The policies and procedures manual that we talked about last month, that's still a work in progress. I worked on it, sent it in, got some redirection. So I'm, I'm pointing in a different direction there. Just, I'm just fine tuning things. So we're not quite done there. And then hangar reinspections, each of you would have will have a copy of the letter which was sent out. It was sent out to 14 tenants who had trouble, in the springtime inspection. We just wanna educate. We want to we just want compliance. We're not trying to be heavy handed here, but we we need to be consistent and reach out. So we've reached out to 14 tenants. We sent this letter out, to their email of record on September 23. We're doing inspections, next Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday that and, that's about a fourteen day notice. We're required by their contract to give them ten days notice, so we're exceeding that notice. So far, we've only had two people sign up, though, for inspections. So we'll see what happens with that. And Casey and I have, recent recent talks. We've talked about having more we've gotten a request or a suggestion from one of our tenants. Thanks, Joe Bates, to create a a newsletter and update tenants and public of the positive things that are happening at the airport. We've thought about that. We've also thought about creating more of a social media presence, to update tenants with upcoming projects. Hey. Be aware of, you know, the snow's coming or or whatever the project may be, or Here's a neat picture or things like that. Just engage the tenants more, another avenue them for them for them to reach me, or my office and for us to transfer information to them. And, that's what I have for for today's update. Are there any questions? Bob, do you have somebody identified that's gonna do that social media for you, or are you gonna do it? Or We're in the we're in the infancy of talking about it. Okay. We we thought about just having a a a one login where each of my staff could log in and either monitor it or upload things to it. So if you have suggestions, I'm open to do you have experience with that? Well, no. I just know it can be a big job. Yeah. That's all. And we're not wanting to get bogged down with that's a good point. We're not we're we've got enough work to do. Right. So, that's why we're just talking about it at this point Okay. Because it could be a full time thing, and that's not what we're looking for. Okay. I appreciate that. That. Thank you. Any other questions?

Kudos for the new recycle bins that have been added in the south end of the airport. Another suggestion from Joe Bates.

So

Yep. That's very handy. Okay. Other comments?

Okay. Thanks. Thank you.

Three b, Lochner. Judd?

Judd Hill with Lochner. Good morning. So a quick update on our projects. The most exciting news, the airport master plan is done. It is signed off by the FAA. The and the final copy, the so just very brief recap, airport master plan and airport layout plan. The airport master plan is basically a history looking at the past, present, and future of the airport and the decisions that went into that with, the technical advisory committee. So very much appreciate everyone who spent a lot of time over the past couple years working on getting that, document prepared. That led to the graphical layout of the airport layout plan. And that's what was the final piece that actually gets signed off by the FAA and it got signed off on Monday. So, as far as where that document is now, it's there's the state system, BlackCat. It's basically an internal system that's for the airport and for the state and for the FAA. Also, actually, Janine had sent you an a link to it this morning, so you'd be able to download it and then also to, Bob and to John the signed copy. So deal with it as you will, but, it's not uncommon. Thinking of social media, it's sometimes one of those things that could be linked on a website or something like that. But that project now we'll just, deal with the closeout of that project. The other project is the, taxiway kilo. So with that, the FAA had requested some additional, geotech engineering. We've done all of that. It is at the FAA. It went in well before the shutdown, but I'm assuming right now, no one's looking at it. But, we're waiting to hear back on the FAA. And the plan for that project is to be going out to bid. The ideal time is kind of December. January is the timeline. That way contractors don't have to wait or hold their bids for, six or eight months. So, that one's ready to go. And then the other project is Taxiway Charlie, the last couple thousand feet of that. If you recall what happened with that, it was designed. It's a state only funded project. It was designed. It went out to bid, got two bids for it. One of them was great. It was about $50,000 under budget, but they screwed up their bid, the contractor. And the state wouldn't let us award it to them with what they had done is mobilization is one of the line items and they it had a maximum amount of 10% of the project. Their mobilization was about 22% of their bid. The state wouldn't allow, warding to it, but we didn't have to bypass it and go to the second bid, which was about $150,000 over budget. So the project was rebid. Both companies submitted again that low bid that was $50,000 under. They redid their bid and raised it a $100,000. So, with that, been it obviously is more than the funds available. We've been working with Bob and with UDOT. UDOT is onboard supporting it, but it's currently in the hands of I Larry, this morning was, talking with Connor, and it is in the hands of the director of UDOT Aeronautics. Then he has taken it to operations director and actual UDOT director. So we'll let you know as soon as we hear anything on that. That. So those are the primary contract. Any questions? We've got going on. And, oh, the final. The snow removal equipment. You it was a federally funded project looking at getting basically a basically a dump truck with a plow type of equipment. It is currently being constructed in Salt Lake, and it should be here sometime in the next couple of months. What they said, plan on it before the end of the year before winter hits is what the company building. The dump truck and the plow of what? Yeah. It it's basically a small dump truck. It's got a plow on the front of it. Oh, okay. So it's bay it's much like what you would see, not the same model, but like what you would see plowing a road that's technically looks like a dump truck, but it has a plow on the front. Okay.

And yep. And then the wing on the side. Oh, okay. So it is being locally

built. The low bidder for that project was local and

Would it be possible to have an electronic copy of the master plan? I'd like to share it with the my council.

I I can absolutely I'll email you the link directly. I can't email it. It's about 51 megabytes. So what and that's what I had sent to Janine this morning. And so I will just send you Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you.

I had a question that's maybe more of a procedural one with the bid amount changing. Is that something we vote on or the board's involved in? Does that come back to us for tax

Typically not. Okay. We decided to go with the project subject to funding. We don't review the bids.

Thanks.

So Judd and Bob, what the snow removal equipment in the past, we've had Cache County help us. Are they going to be no longer helping us? Are you gonna do it now, Bob? Are we doing a snow blower? We finish with the old equipment. I just know the wings of the planes get pretty close to the banks when we push the snow. Can you give us a little bit of insight into that? We still have an agreement with the public works department.

In fact, we have a meeting with them next, next week to go over our our training, our annual training, and and plan and and talk with the with the guys about how to operate at the airport and where we put where we push first, and we still have that in place. We've spent some money during the off season on some of our existing trucks to maintain them, to get them so they don't break when the snow comes. So with that in mind, we've got we have two trucks. Public Works brings another truck and a backhoe, which hooks onto a box blade, and then we're gonna get our new truck. Then we've got our snowblower. So fingers crossed, we've got enough people and enough equipment to get it get the airport cleared quicker and more efficiently than we have in the past.

So who's running the equipment?

It's so, Matthias, you know, Matt here in the in the blue. He's another one of my employees. He'll be heavily involved. Casey will be involved. I'll be involved. I've got another Jetson Mathis who's a farm boy from Idaho. He'll be in a truck. And then I've got either three or four public works people so we can rotate or as needed. So we've got we've got people.

Yep. Any other questions of Bob or Judd?

Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

Brings us to action item for Tactic Way Lima development, Kyle Fisher. Kyle was with us last month and introduced us to this project. If I could set the stage a little bit. All of the taxi lanes that are out there right now were funded by FAA. About three years ago, they determined that they would no longer provide access to privately owned hangars, I. E. Taxi lanes. And so all of the airports in the country are having to fund any expansion and maintenance of taxi lanes locally. And, that, is clearly proving to be a challenge for, all airports. And Kyle's proposal will provide one way that that could be accomplished.

Thanks, John. And I know you guys should have all gotten the development plan. Is that correct? So I'm just here to answer any questions that you guys have.

Why don't you review it for there were a couple that were not here. And, there are a bunch of people out there that were not there that are really interested. Do you wanna come? I'll have Alex explain it more. We've been working

together. So last

in the last last month's meeting, we just presented these concept boards with Can you try and talk more into the microphone? So so in in last month's meeting, we presented these concept boards with just conceptual hangers. They're really just for visual. They're not frankly, they're not exactly what we're proposing to build. But in what we proposed is a development agreement where we would fully fund the taxi lane, the utilities,

stormwater goes over here so that the audience can see them as well. Stormwater Among the chairs, if you can. Yeah. That's that's helpful.

Should've brought our easels.

Why don't we grab two chairs from the front row and we just put them right in front of the Just lean off against this. Yeah. We can. That

audience But he just said they're not exactly like that. Exactly. Yeah.

We didn't want you to get hung up on the colors there. So so what we're proposing is full taxi lane build out for Taxiway Lima. And then we would we would work with with John and with Bob, and everyone on the list would have first priority for the option to build a hangar. And we would be building the hangars and just selling them at market value or providing that market value to first come, first serve on that list and and just accommodating that list. That's the first priority because it's this has been an issue for quite some time as I understand. So we would do this in we we we put in the development agreement. Basically, we would handle every cost. They're the the liability for the Logan Cash Airport board and an entity is is very minimal with this. We would bond, obviously, for completion, and we would we have proposed four phases. We think we can accomplish it in two, but we put four phases in the development agreement. And we would basically work with Bob and John to create and provide conceptual plans and layouts to meet the needs and demands of the airport and they would they would improve that or they would approve that. And it it would follow obviously in line with the master plan. That's the goal. So

So the hangars that you build will be of a size that is specified for that taxi lane?

Correct. So if you look at the master plan, it actually has larger, more commercial sized Correct. Hangars. The issue there is is you have a list and a demand that is not just for large hangars. Right? You have a lot of other people that want hangers as well. And so we're we're proposing initially what it looks like demand just with initial talks is six larger hangers. And I'm just gonna say a 100 by 100. They wouldn't be exactly that, but close to a 100 by 100. 18 hangers that are about we're calling these like condo hangers. They're 50 by 50, essentially. And then we have three to four midsize hangers that are anywhere from like 60 to 70 feet by 60 to 70 feet or 80 feet. Those aren't exact. And then we have five to six t hangars, which are just basically they're a lot cheaper option and they're just for smaller aircraft and

So but how does that fit in? I mean, I don't want us to be building so many small hangars when we have specified that they should be larger?

So in the taxi lane Lima, which is what's on these figures right beneath, Those look like large corporate hangers, which is exactly what that area was designed. I'm not sure where were you thinking for the smaller or tea hangers.

So what we're initially just talking when when we're speaking with Bob and with John was show it probably easier. I can I'll just Oh, yeah. Just we can just explain it there. If if this is the main

if this is the main taxiway That's Charlie. So Falcon. There you go. The apron into Charlie.

What this has is it has larger commercial hangars that that extend the entire taxiway. The issue that we're seeing is just the

the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the next taxi lane, they could do something similar and accommodate a little large anchors and then phase into the small ones as well. And your taxi lane in here were kind of decreasing with a little bit potentially. And then you kind of phase into these smaller ones, and that accomplishes the demands of Well, what I'm concerned about is that we just barely finished a master plan.

And the master plan specifies that this taxi lane would be corporate sized hangars. And so I don't know how we justify changing the plan on the fly and, you know, going with something else. And I just I'm a little that was not what you talked about the last time? You didn't talk about smaller hangers?

You know, I would I mean, I would I would actually have Bob speak to that frankly just because but really in my perspective from a development standpoint is you're gonna have multiple taxi lanes beyond this. And the demand is not for 10 to 12 or 14 large hangars. Right? So the the market demand is not there. So we could go build these hangars, but they may not be there may be no one to buy them or occupy them. And Is it possible to build the large structures and make them into sort of condominium size so they That's exactly what. So so if you look at the actual footprint of the of the master plan, those building widths would essentially stay the same. The difference is they might shift to the north or south, and we may double side them for a smaller taxiway around the back for the smaller units. But when I say smaller units, imagine like a 100 foot wide Another taxiway

behind?

It wouldn't it would just be an access point. So

Okay. John The master plan would be consistent. Okay. John and Bob are gonna have to speak to this for me because my brain is not wrapping around it.

Can I ask a question, madam, that I think goes along with yours? Because there's a reference towards demand, but is there a document of that demand, Joe or Alex?

Yeah. I mean, we have the wait list, and it has the hanger sizes on the wait list.

But of a more broad market demand rather than just those that have proactively come to us. What what does this bode for the future, say, in ten, twenty, and thirty year increments or something like that? Where where is the demand that we could perceive coming along? Because once you build it, it's on the ground. Yeah. It's not gonna easily be modified. I'm just wondering where the documentation for the demand beyond the wait list might be. So within within the phases,

the idea here is that you don't just go and shotgun and build a bunch of unusable hangers. Hangers. Right? Because no one would want that. It wouldn't be beneficial to anybody. But the idea is that as the development progresses, so let's say that we had four phases. Let's just cut that down to two. The first phase would be approved based on demand and that list for that current time. If phase two began at the end of next year, we would we would also we would just look at again, at that demand in list and and build accordingly. And I think that I think that John and Bob have a great idea of demand, and I think that the list is really your best market study or market analysis. Because those that really want a hangar are paying $500. They're riding their hangar size that they want and they're getting their name on that list. And so that's what we're heavily dependent on.

For our purposes today, I think it's appropriate that we limit our discussion and consideration just to the initial portion of the project and that would be Taxi Lane Lima and that is by master planned corporate hangers. And any further phases would have to be reconsidered by this group at that time based on experienced demand.

I I do have a couple of questions about the proposed ground lease. One thing that's mentioned in article one section 1.1, in parentheses, they've added plus tenants proposed fuel for farm. That's referred to again in section 1.6 use item a. They have in parentheses including the fuel farm. Now that's that's something we've talked about here as far as revenue for the airport. Do we change what we currently have? Does the airport authority take over some of that? Again, I mean, I'm not comfortable with putting that language in the contract at the present time because I think we need to have more discussions and potentially go through an RFP process if we're indeed talking about a fuel farm. And then the other question would be on the maintenance because building it is one thing. Again, then who maintains it in the long term, and does the airport take that over? If they do, fine, but then that needs to be budgeted for. So those are just two things I was wondering about.

Regarding the fuel farm, frankly, you can strike that if we if that's not an option or if it just needs to be you guys feel it needs to be put out for an RFP. I don't think that it limits or isolates. I'm not sure on that, John, but it's it's not a major issue. And then as far as maintenance, it it would just stand as the maintenance stands for all the hangers now from my understanding is did the the actual tenant or owner of the hangar is responsible for all of the maintenance and of the facility itself. But not of the taxiway.

Yep. Not of the I think, Jeanne addressed that in a comment last meeting was that once the taxi lane is constructed to FHA FAA standards, it would then become the airports.

And and frankly, it it actually never flee it always is the airports. We're so what we're yep. So what we're bonding for is on the airport property and it would always be the the owner owner there. So

So, John, can I be clear? You would like us to just approve, disapprove, whatever. Consider phase one. Yes. Okay. So and that consists of so many corporate hangars and the full taxi lane or a part of the taxi

lane? That part of the taxi lane that fronts the hangars.

Okay. And how many hangars are we talking about?

I think they I think they talk about four because they're double loading. Okay.

They're double loading

back and forth? On either side of the taxi lane. Oh, okay. Okay. They're they're utilizing both sides of the taxi lane. Okay. I was worried double loading meant back and front.

That's all. I'm just being, like, you know

And we would phase accordingly. So so, again, John and Bob would need to approve everything according to the master plan. That's the goal is that aligns with that. So But approval would have to be through them and So we would have I mean, today,

we're only talking about phase one.

Yeah. The the development agreement entails the entire taxi lane, but but we so the goal our goal here is moving forward with the development agreement with any necessary changes. And of course for the for the board to can review that again, but but moving forward that way. But then the individual phases will be the conceptual plans and and engineering will have to be through Logan City from what I understand. But, yeah, I'll we'll go through that process and they will be approving and guiding us and we'll be holding hands through that process in in approval.

So it will not come back to us after phase one?

I think, if if I may, I'm gonna address that. I appreciate what you're doing. I understand what you're doing, and I think there's a need for it. And I want to be very careful we're setting precedents. And there are others on the agenda that are saying, hey. We think there are some opportunities here for us as well. And so I you guys were first to the plate, and I appreciate that. As I've gone through that agreement, it needs a significant amount of work and not in a negative way, but we need our legal counsel to go through it. I can tell they haven't. And so I'm not an attorney. I do know some people that are attorneys, but what I would propose is that we could tentatively, approve moving forward with a development agreement. But this development and I would propose that I'm happy to chair it or whatever be part of it, I'd say we sit down together and really pound through this agreement because this addresses a lease between the airport and and your the agreement talks about a developer, and then it also talks about the tenant tenant. And it's not clear to me when that and then at the signature, it says, oh, that's the same person. No. It won't be. If one of those on the wait list end up taking that over, then now we gotta split out that lease. The lease is no longer with you. It's going to go to the owner of that lease. I just think we need to contemplate a lot of those things, get it in the agreement so it's very, very clear. Don't be offended. I'm gonna say it. You ready for this? But if, in fact, you embark on this and it doesn't work or things don't come together, I've been through projects that are bonded, and it is a miserable process. I feel like we need to just figure out how we can assure that this project is gonna make it to completion. So there are just some things in there, I think, that would be good to protect the airport as well as making sure that you're

clear as to what the expectations are and where we're heading with it. So I don't know if that helps at all, but those are my thoughts as I've gone through the Well, your comment also was there have been others that are interested. You're first to the plate. Does that go back to the saying, you know, maybe we do need to do an RFP on the whole process to be fair and transparent and give the opportunity to others as well. I mean, again, it is nice to have someone willing to move ahead, but are we proceeding, again, as a governmental body, in an appropriate way?

And, Mayor, I as part of that process, I would see no, from my perspective, if forged contractors, if they said, hey, I would like to be a part of some of those conversations so that they are all being treated fairly. Again, we're starting this. And if it needs to be an RFP, if that's the way it needs to go, you understand the government side a lot better than I do. On the private side, I I could look at it and say, we could make this extremely collaborative and see what we're doing and and go forward with a really cohesive plan. I am concerned about the smaller hangars. Yeah. I do want to see those happen. I want to see the airport accommodating

the needs of the users. Could I speak to the other developers too? And I hope I'm call me out if I'm speaking wrong here. But I the airport has had a major issue with hangar space. And as far as I understand, every single developer in here is not we're not all vying for the same project. And so I think the advantage to the airport board is you're gonna you have multiple projects in multiple areas of the airport, and and I frankly, I think you have demand for all of them. I think they could all be fulfilled. And so I respect the RFP process, but my concern is that you're gonna be another two years, and then you're gonna have to perform an analysis of and so right now, you have private developers willing to fund these. A 100%. They are liable. They build the hangers too and they are liable. If they do not get sold, that developer is on the hook. And so I just want to emphasize that. So

fight. Yeah.

If someone races, let's say, Greg with Ford, Greg says, hey. I just wanna do this size of hanger online. What we wanna do is make sure we have a cohesive plan that plan that helps and accommodates. And we we'd be happy to to work with the other developers as a group to kind of formulate a process for this too if that helps. And we would all be kind of pioneering that, and we're happy to do that. So

Other comments?

So, John, what do you see as our process here? I agree with everything Brett said, and I also agree that it's fantastic that you wanna do this. I just get a little nervous when we start, you know, doing a master plan and then going off in the wilderness from it. But if that's the the way that the airport needs to grow, I I, a, wish it had been reflected in the master plan, and, b, wish that, you know, hope that we can accommodate those people that have expressed a desire to own a hangar.

Well, Bob's name has been used rather freely today. But, we've been very careful that, as we've been responding to the three people that are on the agenda, in pointing out the type of hangar that the master plan calls for in specific areas. Okay. Thank you. And, all of them have, received copies of the airport layout plan from Lochner and, tell me that they have been developing their plan based on the approved Okay. Airport layout plan. Okay. So I I think you can be comfortable that at least till 09:00 today, there's no departure from the master plan as approved. But Yeah. I feel the same way you do with it. Yeah. Because I know.

I know you do. Okay. And so I, you know, it I don't know what our move forward is. Is it to have this contract reviewed by a group and brought back to us? Is it that we say that whatever group reviews it, it'll be fine with us? We can go move forward? Or I don't know what the next step would be. And has there been any public comment

In response to that, mayor, is there some way we could move both of those along at the same time saying we could have a group that could, a small committee that could get the agreement in in place. And Jeanne, to your comment, I would think that it would come back to the board Okay. For formal board approval. This is a big deal. Direction for the airport to go in, and I just like to make sure it's memorialized and it's done right.

Well and maybe that group helps us put together I mean, so that's the contract. So these are the points we'd like to see in the RFP. You know, this is what we need.

Could you do it in a a public con comment period as well to say these are the this is what we're anticipating in general Yeah. And we could be having that receiving that public.

I I think you can do that. And, again, it absolutely does take time and work for someone to put together an RFP. I mean, we have a purchasing manager at the city that does that all the time. That's one of her jobs. And it it does take, you know, a couple of weeks and some work to to draft it depending on how much information there is to start with. And and again, maybe I'd public comment would be a great way to get input on, oh, that's something we need to think about, including that we hadn't anticipated before. Again, not to say you wouldn't do a fabulous job, but, again, I can see somebody came in come in and saying, okay. They were first to the plate, so they just automatically got it. You know, what exactly do we want, and are they responding to that? And is it a fair, open, transparent process?

You did. I'm sorry.

I don't how do I

I I I think it did I I think at this point, we're not we're not going to take public input, but there will be an opportunity for better. I appreciate that. Thanks.

So what would you do we do we move this to the next meeting with the anticipation

these are the terms. But At least we have an understanding at that point what we would anticipate in a development

what we would anticipate in a development agreement. And that way, they they're not waiting for us. They would have other projects they'd be doing. So I'd like to get something there as solid as we could.

So can I move that we postpone the decision on this until the next meeting?

They can submit private comment by email or whatever. It doesn't necessarily have to be a public sit down meeting.

I love public comment. Come on. I know you do.

The this proposal was not created in a vacuum. I know that. They they received significant input from people familiar with the airport Mhmm. And the process.

And I know that this is a taxi lane that is on the list to do. It's on the priority list. Yes. So And I just I just was My preference

Yes. Would be Brett's first suggestion was that we approve it in concept subject to final agreement on the contract by legal and representatives from this board.

So I can make that motion? I will make that motion.

Is that correct?

And if we could distill that concept down, we would say the concept is having them extend taxiway l. We're we're approving that broad project. I just still kind of ethereal to me.

What I'm looking what what I was going with it is I was saying, I'm not sure I'm ready to to vote yes and no right now, just to be honest with you. But I'm no offense, mayor, but let's get her done. You know, let let's let's get moving. And so I I have less understanding of the process going through the RFP, and and so I will lean to you. To me, what I would say is let's work. I'd rather not vote personally. I'd rather not vote on something right now. I'd rather get an agreement in place that we, as a smaller committee, that the developers have looked at and said, yeah, that works. I I can work within those fences. That makes sense. We'll come back Yeah.

Something like that. We're willing to I guess, we've we've there's already been capital spent. Right? But we're willing to work with our attorneys and the county attorneys just to create a process for approval. And and the whole idea and Keegan, just to to to your comment, I totally get it. And and Jeanne, you're saying, hey. Does this fit the master plan? I think the idea here is the taxiways and taxi lanes are are in the master plan. Mhmm. The actual building and unit sizes that will be built on those, I think that's gonna shift and it probably should shift to demand. And so as these projects progress, what I would suggest and I'm not trying to tell you guys what to do. I'm just trying to help. But what I would suggest is that we work with we create in the contract or development agreement that we work with Bob and John to, again, align our conceptual plan with the master plan, and then we get approval, perhaps, by the board phase by phase so that you guys are having some oversight there, but we're also aligning and not spending a ton of

time navigating all the details with the board. We're doing it with John and Bob. See, I look at it. In the agreement, it states that you'll build it according to FAA. In my mind, the FAA has approved your master plan excuse me, Our master plan. And so it's in my mind, it's tied to that. It's tied to the master plan. I just wanna make sure everyone's on the same page as to what that really means and what you can develop.

To Brett's point, I'm I'm curious because I feel like you're making an argument for the same taxiway having everything from t hangers to these large scale. But that's not consistent with deconflicting and grouping that kind of traffic on the ground by aircraft type or size. And so, you know, I wasn't sure if earlier you were suggesting each additional taxiway be grouped by size and and user. But, John, I I welcome some input if you know differently than what Salt Lake International Airport and I was on their board, but it just seems weird to have a seven thirty seven and, you know, a little Cessna. And it's

And it's all about demand. That's really what it's about. We could go build those hangers, and I get the organization best.

I mean, I'm with Brett. I I I love the idea of let's get it Let's Get It Done. Clearly, we've talked ad nauseam about demand of a wait list. But I will admit I have some reservations about a wait list representing the total market demand for the next ten to twenty years when like, when we're looking at phase development residentially, we look at the interconnectivity and we look at, you know, phase developments even like industrial or residential.

So Would it would it if would different size planes if the buildings were aligned just as a master plan, would different size planes affect that? So if a smaller plane was going on a larger taxiway, does that affect We'll ask Jed will address that if you'll

I would say smaller planes on a bigger taxiway would not impact the bigger taxiway. However, you only have so many larger taxi lanes, and larger planes cannot go where smaller planes would be set. So with the layout that was shown, it's quite common where you have large hangars, 10,000 square feet, 20,000 square feet that are used for a singular large aircraft, or maybe two large aircraft, but it's also not uncommon where half a dozen guys could get together and put their smaller planes into that larger hangar. So it's not uncommon to see small aircraft stored in a large hangar.

Well, that was why I was talking about condominium kind of thing in a large space.

Okay. So I'm I'm curious where we have a financial situation that we've noted that we're having a hard time already taking care of deferred maintenance. As noted in the last meeting, this would have it seems to be a proposal that anything exterior exterior to the building would be on the city and county to take care of the maintenance. But we already have deferred maintenance for current asset and inventory that we have, and we're struggling to get caught up on that. So here here's where my frame of reference is, and I don't know if my verbal skills will be good enough for it. But if you had back to back for the equivalent of larger planes and you need a wider taxiway, but if you had another taxiway that was smaller because you had smaller planes only using that, wouldn't that limit our our width and depth? Like, think of it like a lane. Your your larger ones would be closer to

the main taxi lane. Does that make sense? So No. I'm sorry. I'm not So you had already said you had already said it was gonna get smaller as it went further out.

And I'm But is that gonna be wide here and it was gonna get narrower. Yeah. And I'm I I think it's just a miss misunderstanding in the communication. You have yeah. Pull that up. So the the largest hangars would be closest to the the taxi lane. Would it would your proposal then be that it narrows And then it will narrow as it goes west. So if you look at that Yeah.

May I speak for just a moment? I am newly appointed or elected, I suppose. I am scrambling to catch up with a moving train. I am supportive of what you're proposing, but my legal, as far as I know, has not looked at this agreement. I cannot proceed without having that advice, period. It isn't maybe, it's no. So, just let you know that's where I'm sitting, and I would encourage the Cache County representative to act accordingly. Thank you.

Okay. I can just explain what you're looking at here. So the bottom the buildings in black on the bottom of the screen are existing buildings on kilo. The yellow taxi lane right I won't select it, but here is the taxi lane in discussion. And this is set up for laid out for corporate hangars, the group two aircraft. So the taxi lane does not get narrower as it Not on the airport layout plan. Okay. So because there's only so many limited areas. The Right. Overall plan shows corporate hangars here and buildings that if I zoom in, might come in better. T hangars here for smaller aircraft around the existing smaller hangar developments between hotel delta and echo, there's 18 smaller hangars that are shown. The blue are potential, black are existing. So the concept of the airport layout plan was to have group one aircraft, smaller aircraft, your standard two person, four person, smaller type aircraft in one location, corporate sized in another. And, again, there's nothing that says that smaller aircraft you can't get multiple smaller aircraft parked in a bigger, in a bigger hangar, but there's just only so many locations for larger hangars to be developed. There are additional larger hangars that could be developed on a large scale when we look at the airport as a whole, across the both runways accessing off of the north side of the airport. But, obviously, significantly more infrastructure would need to be developed before you get into these hangars up on the upper right hand portion. Those absolutely are available space for larger and or a mixture of, but there's no infrastructure over there right now at all.

That's what I remember from our discussion about that master plan to begin with was that there was very little space for larger hangars.

We have a motion on the floor. Which doesn't have a second.

Pardon me? It has never had a second. Never had a second. So it died.

So

is there a following motion?

I will move we continue this discussion pending discussions by a small group about the lease and pending legal opinions from both Cache County and Logan City regarding the lease and the concept of needing an RFP.

legal. Is there a second? Second. It's moved moved and second that we table this discussion, pending, input from legal and, further, refining the proposed agreement. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

Thank you, sir. Thank you, guys.

Greg? We're gonna make you come back, I guess.

Come into the lion's den. While they're getting set up, I would ask everybody before you leave. If you haven't done so, please sign our guest book. Well, I think George's point that he can't move forward until he gets input from legal. So let's let him take the lead, get a sense of that, and then perhaps you and I and George can sit down with the developer group and say, here are our problems.

How do you solve them? Would it be okay if I were to meet with George's legal while they're reviewing? Yes. Yeah. And

And John as well. Sure. We we let me Just let me know. Set up a meeting. Holly, would you like your legal to join that movie? They could probably if we get too many hands in the pod,

it

We could certainly do a review once there's a draft. I think it'd be helpful to have Logan City have three of us. Okay. Brett, you you really have, your own Logan City choice on us. So Brett probably fulfills that need of needs. Exactly. That makes it well, the three of us will get together and do that.

Good. And then bring it back to the board. Yes. Exactly. Thank you.

You're on. Alright. Well, mister chair and members of the board, we we appreciate the opportunity to to present this morning. And just to talk a little bit about the the prior developer with Kyle Fisher and his group. We we feel that this opportunity with development out at the airport really those that are that are here to propose development complement each other. The opportunity for new development on on airports at the at the Logan Cash Airport, the Spanish Fork Airport. We've seen development at Salt Lake Airport and we're looking to propose opportunities up in Ogden as well. We've been working with the Ogden Airport. There's a an awakening if you will, in the in the aviation community. Yeah. It's been twenty or thirty years, it seems that there's been there haven't been a lot of airplane hangars built over the last twenty or thirty years, a few here and there. We had an opportunity with an equity partner, of of mine with forged contractors to build an airplane hangar for him. We modeled it after the Cache Valley Hangar. And, they're good friends and we built it out in the, at Salt Lake came up and, and Brett, toured us through the, the Cache Valley Hanger and, and, and modeled that. We then had another, individual high net worth individual that wanted to build a hanger. And we built that, adjacent to, the M one hanger in Salt Lake. And there's, we've seen an increasing amount of, of need for, for hanger space. I have a friend that is on the development team with PADI aviation down at Spanish Fork, and Pady Aviation is building 130 hangars. They were having some difficulties with budgeting, and we provided them, some budget assistance, on that. They wanted to build that. Originally, they had a builder, but they they decided to, to develop it in house and we provided them some assistance with those hangers. It's it's with that, idea in mind that we're looking to develop hangers here with that similar concept of a larger building that's demise into smaller hanger spaces, that we'd like to propose today. So a little bit about, forged contractors. Forged contractors was was founded. I I started it just about five years ago after successful career with with a few large general contractors in the in the Salt Lake area. And the one of the first projects out of the bat out of the chute was was this hanger at, Salt Lake City Airport. And it just launched us into this aviation world. We've, we'll talk a little bit later if you wanted to to see some other developments that are going on. So to answer the question, what what documentation is there for need for hangar space? Well, Ogden, for example, with Wasatch Peaks has a has AA huge demand for airplane hangers. There's the development at Wasatch Peaks about. 67% of the homeowners that are going into Wasatch Peaks own an airplane. They want a space to be able to provide it for them. That the question is is is how what's that layout plan gonna look like? And and, unfortunately, Ogden is behind you in in developing that. Luckily, they have Lochner, you know, with Judd Hill, helping them and and assisting them, I I believe. Right? So so that's a step in the right direction for them. Spanish Fork has seen a a a huge increase in in needs. So they had as they developed this 130 hangar project, they had 60 I believe it was close to percent of the hangars on phase one, which were 60 hangars. So 36 hangars pre purchased. It is almost as a if you build it, they will come. There are 18 listed individuals on the wait list right now. I believe there are are more than just the 18 that have committed, on your wait list. So the the there is a lot of, opportunity, and I believe these developments complement each other. They we aren't competing for the same location. And we've teamed with Scratch Development and we've got Johnny Arbuckle here with us today. Holland Wilbanks is with forged contractors and I'd like to have Johnny just explain a little bit about scratch development, a little bit of history of them. Forged contractors is a commercial strictly commercial general contractor in Salt Lake County that, we're we're a smaller contractor. We do $50,000,000 in revenue a year, on the commercial, market segment and, 25 employees. Aviation is a, is a focus for us and it's not something new that we, we just have started. So, like Johnny just to talk a little bit about his company.

Thank you for the opportunity. I'll be brief. Scratch Development, we I like to, we we work with cities. That's where we start. That's kinda where I've I've spent the last twenty years is trying to be a a good partner and a solution for cities and counties to deliver on their vision for their city. We've done a lot of redevelopment of regional malls. We did the Valley Fair Mall redevelopment in in West Valley City, worked really closely with the city on that. So when when I met Holland and Greg and they were explaining this opportunity, felt like a good fit for Scratch where we really like to come in and and help be a a private solution for, a public need. And this is a, I think, a a really exciting opportunity where there's a need for it and excited to be part of that solution. We're based out of Davis County. We we have about forty years years development experience between me and my partners, ranging from retail to industrial to office. Right now, we have, about a quarter billion dollars of mixed use development in various processes of entitlement and construction throughout Northern Utah and Southeastern Idaho. We're really active right now up in Idaho Falls and Ammon Ammon City, with several projects. But really excited to be here and appreciate this opportunity.

Okay. Well, you're familiar with the airport layout plan that Judd had shown previously the the location that we are proposing to develop is is a long taxiway, kilo and echo. Kilo is is the, is the in yellow and echo is is below that. This is this is Judd's layout with Lochner's layout plan and and it provides for 13 hangers and approximately 73,000 square feet of of built out hangar space. We're proposing that we would just similar to the the the previous developer come in and we would finance the entire project. We don't want to phase ours. We would like to build it all at once our our layout is is, 16 hangers and 92,500 square feet of space, and it provides a variety of of sizes. The largest being 100 by 100 with the smallest being 60 by 60 on the interior. We called we reached out by email, with a couple of emails to all 18. Well all but Kyle because we knew that Kyle was was was proposing. And I think when it passed away, so 16, on the list. And then we followed up with phone calls and and tried to get some information and understanding of of what the individual in the list were looking for. What what size of hanger, what type of amenity space and it was suggested to us that a 50 by 50 hanger. It was great. It would it would it would be it would be a good hanger, but it really limits. The The the owner in the size of plane that they could have where we could if we went 60 by 60, we could get up to about a 58 foot wingspan, which would be get into that midsize airplane. You could fit a couple of Cessna's easy in in in that, but it would also fit that maybe a king air or a little bit larger airplane. So the idea at the Spanish Fork Airport, which gave us the the thought process for here is to build a larger building, which helps with economies to scale. That would allow us to build if we were to go with one building build one building and provide savings and costs and efficiency and and scheduling you you're able to reduce the amount of footage you have to have between buildings the spacing between buildings because you have one larger one larger building with demising walls. So this this would have this building here is uh-uh 100 by 100. There's two of them and then we we also could fit a smaller 60 by 60 in that space. It's the interior dimension of 60 by 60. It comes out to 33,720 square feet. We had we've talked with John and Bob and Judd and and in discussions with Judd he he wanted to maximize the taxi lane kilo and make sure that we we had hangers on both sides of of the taxi lane. We had some parking here that just didn't make sense before in a in a in a previous layout. This is a little bit of an odd shaped building, but but we think it could be a very functional and usable with three larger hangers, 200 by hundreds and one about 90 by 90 and then this corner, it may make you might seem like it's an awkward space, but it has a 40 foot frontage that could fit a 40 foot door for smaller airplane space. It could also be a a little bit of an amenity area, with an h o a for the for the pilots, for the for the owners that would wanna utilize it for, anything they would want. We, we would want to sell it as a, as a hanger. But that's what the Spanish Fork Airport has is, is, some amenity space for pilots lounge and, and, prep area, for the for the pilots. And our proposal is that we would we would, ask to build the entire, 16 hangers at once. We believe that's a fifteen month schedule. We would we would phase it based on building some of our eight month schedules, some are ten month schedules and twelve month. And all in as we, go from one building to the other, it would take, an entire fifteen months. Some buildings would come available and be, ready to sell, after, like these three, along taxi lane echo would be available, eight to ten months after construction would start the the proposal also would be that we start construction in conjunction with taxi lane kilo and and start with this, these, two buildings, with that taxi lane. And as we are coordinating with Lochner and, we hope to be the general contractor building the taxi lane, we would like to, propose on the taxi lane when that comes out to bid so that we could control the entire construction of the of the property and coordinate and work with building the taxi lane as priority and And the, buildings that would not interfere with the building of the taxi lane, which we think we could build all five of the, of the, or four of the buildings at, at the same time. So these are, the elevations. The larger, hangers would have a 28 foot, door height and with the smaller being 18 feet, all metal buildings. There's some elevations to them. Coloring is not necessarily accurate in the pictures. So that's, that's our, our proposal. We've got some other pictures of other hangers and things that we, we had. If you had some questions and wanted to see some other, development we've done.

Questions.

Is that a fifteen month development time? Was that the timeline? Construction timeline.

Yep. Start to finish, with, with some, hangers coming available about ten months, nine, ten months.

Questions? Again, I mean, I think it's wonderful that we have interest in developing the airport. And I think having, you know, larger developments to do whole sections makes more sense than a lot of little ones. But, again, I go back to the process. Again, are there others that are interested? Again, maybe they are absolutely the best qualified, the same with the first group, and they're doing different areas, but I I just wanna make sure we're going through an appropriate process. But I I would love to get something done too, but in the right way.

I think we're interested in what you're proposing. I think in working with the previous, party, we'll begin to come up with a methodology to handle your interest and consider what, the mayor has said, and we'll get back to you as a part of that process. But we are very interested. Sounds like an excellent proposal, but we need to we need to deal with the surplus of interest that has arisen.

Very well said.

One one thing to consider as well, and I know the the approaching it in the right way is is important. The the economy the way it is right now as well is is really advantageous to the end user, the the buyer of the of the hanger. And our hope was to get approval today to proceed forward with pending development agreements that those would obviously have to be approved but to get we wanted to start our plans and and have those bid out through the winter time with the market the way it is to be able to maximize on the cost to to pass that cost savings on to the end user. There's economies to scale in the building of of the joining space with demising walls. There's also, the economies of building it all at once. And, we'll finance the entire our our group would finance the entire project, as one and then pass that savings of, of what we achieved through, building it together to the, to the end user. And that was our that was our intent and our our hope.

I just don't know that this group is ready to approve it right now today. I mean, it's a like I say, interesting idea. I think we need a little more time.

I think that just got added to our workload, John and and Brett, to figure out how to how to respond to your inquiry. We will not be slow. I will promise you that we will move and we won't be delaying. We recognize that we have some opportunities on our plate and we wanna realize the opportunity. So we're we're interested in each project, and your interest indicates there may be other people interested that we need to make sure we go through the processes correctly, but we will move quickly.

And thank you for your interest as with the first group, and I assume the second group we're about to. We just we're delighted there is interest in the airport.

Thank you, Greg. Thank you.

Corey and Andy.

Holland, can I have a card? I need a card from you.

Morning. Sorry. We're we're a little more old school. This is our first time, so we're first time meeting you guys, so we just wanna spend a time out there. We'll be brief. I realize we're running short on time. My name is Corey Getchi. This is Andy Checketts. Quick introduction. We're business owners. We live here in the Valley. We have a vested interest in the airport. We're both pilots, so we fly. And, we also are developers. We've developed some subdivisions and multi multifamily and, several other projects as we've been involved over the years with. But today, we are just kind of at the beginning phases, proposing just almost identically what is on the the master plan for Delta and hotel. We would front the money to expand those taxiways. And, obviously, we're limited as far as widths, and we've got a turn to make there. Two actually, two radius turns there. So we're limited on wing widths when it comes to airplanes going through there. So for us, it makes no sense just based on the widths of the taxiways to do massive hangars to accommodate large planes that wouldn't even be able to taxi through that area, if that makes sense. So we're proposing some 40 by forty, fifty by 50, 60 by 60, and then two seventy by seventies, as we've met with the civil engineer, and laid it out the best we could to maximize the space. We also want to have some space for cars to park as well. Just having, you know, utilize these areas ourselves. We understand that that can be problematic at times. So we're gonna try and, again, maximize the space, do it based on the master plan, and front the cost as we know that's that's a sticking point for the airport. So This is Andy. Sorry. I don't wanna do you wanna take I I would like to note,

we're actually on that

list. Right.

That these other guys, we're local guys, you know. My my question for you guys is is we've been building hangers for decades. How do we keep the process that it I mean, currently, you can if there was a taxiway available, you could come in and you could build. And that was the proposal when we put money down. Is that correct, Bob? That you guys were gonna put in the taxiway? It was a pretty simple process. Turn your plans in, build a project. I I guess my my question is is how do we keep it that simple? We're just willing to come in, put the taxiway in, not turn it into a huge business model. We would like this is a I'm gonna be honest. It's a community airport. So how how do we merge the two to make the process simple and affordable and not come in? And I wanna be honest and not have $3,000,000 hangers. Because it if that's what we're focusing on, I'll be honest, guys like me aren't gonna be there. And so that'd be my question is how do how do we do that? John, maybe you'd know better than me, but how do how do we keep the process that we've had, but actually have some forward movement?

If we knew the answer to that, we would have done it.

And I think one of the challenges is that we don't have the financial depth to build taxi lanes here, there, and everywhere. I mean, ideally, we'd have a master plan and we'd build taxi lanes just as fast as we could, but we don't have that debt financial depth to do that. So what's happened is we've built taxi lanes as we could acquire the money to do so according to the master plan, which has slowed down. I mean, interest has grown and our capacity to build has shrunk. So the fact that we have people that are willing to come in and help us realize the master plan and make some money at it at the same time, I assume, is a very intriguing concept for this board because we would like to see the airport grow. We would like to see the list of people who would like to have a hangar not be as long a wait. And but at the same time, I don't know how we make it Cash Valley friendly kind of thing without I mean, it becomes a it becomes a government where we have to do RFPs and we have to do that that longer, more extended process to make it fair to everybody. When we started the list, that was our attempt to make it fair to the people who wanted a hanger. Because earlier than that, it was like whoever came and, you know, patted somebody on the back, they might be the next one. And so I think that we're we're attempting to retain our community perspective, but include some, you know, more transparency in our processes.

Well and to your point, I I think to blend the two concepts is probably the most fair. Because for me, you know, with my private plane, it's I'm just a small plane private pilot. Right? I I don't have $3,000,000 to spend on a a big fancy hangar. I just wanna keep, you know, my plane out of the sun. And so my intent when I put down a deposit with Bob over a year ago was, hey. If you've got a space, I'll build a 40 by 40 or whatever I whatever I personally need. So I I would propose as well, we could outline a section where, essentially, we would do basically a pioneering agreement and say, hey. We'll front the cost. We'll put in the infrastructure. We'll line these out, and we'll reserve some of these for those individuals that would like to build their own. I think I think there's a there's a market for that, and I think that assesses the needs of the community. But then we could also offer, you know, a secondary option where we can build it for them as well. But I personally would would rather see that. I think that or at least have a a section that allows for that than to come in and make this, you know, look like Salt Lake or or Spanish Fork. I I I think that's not our airport. I think that's not our not representative of our community.

But, again, I'm I may be biased in that. But my concern is the fact that in the past, we've been able to acquire money from the state or the FAA to build taxi lanes, which they're no longer providing. So if you build the taxi lane, you're gonna have to recoup your cost, and that's gonna go toward that's gonna add cost to whoever says, oh, I wanna build my own

because they're gonna have to help you recoup your cost. That would that would essentially be the pioneering agreement. Right? So they would reimburse us for that portion to put in the utilities and to essentially make it a buildable lot similar to a house.

Right? Correct. Or private binary.

Yeah. Or Do you need tax to wait? Sure. No. Well well and, again, I I being new to this process, I'm not sure. When we've dealt with cities and done developments, normally, you you put in the infrastructure, you build you build the roads, and then you dedicate that over to the city. I don't know if that's how this functions. They have to. I would assume that with snowplow and public access and agreements that there's got to be somewhere written down where somebody owns that area. I I personally don't want the liability. Right? I don't wanna own the street in front. I would rather it be a public access. But, again, not knowing the process, that would be my assumption. We would dedicate that to I don't know if if it's this board Airport authority. Or this or the county or whatever. Just yeah. It's a little fuzzy. But however that functions, that we would follow that. And to me, that would be the cleanest, easiest way to go. And then, you know, to your point, we would just be reimbursed for infrastructure. But, again, we could we could do it both ways just depending on the direction you guys would like to see. But I would just say, again, from my personal experience, I would love to see a section available to those individuals that that have enough contacts, have enough, you know, wherewithal to do it on their own and wanna do it on their own.

Other questions of Corey? Go ahead.

I think we add that to the list that needs to be looked at. Yes. Because a pioneering agreement

is a totally different animal.

Yeah. So

Stop it. Just to be fair to everybody involved. That that's my thought.

So It will be fair to everyone. We have to look at how we manage our cost, and the intent is to be fair, but to also be open to all proposals that assist in the larger goals of the airport. And I think your interest is legitimate and we'd like to figure out a way to make it work for you and for us.

Appreciate that.

I'm I'm impressed. And again, it's not entirely an accident, but the three proposals today are complimentary. They they do not appear at this point to conflict with one another and it's to this little mini group to figure out how to meld a proposal that could come before the board in November that perhaps could address all three interests. And I certainly would be will be working to that end.

Thank you, guys. Thank you, guys. We've done it. Yep.

Are there any other items to come before the board?

I think maybe could I just wrap everything in a bow or attempt to? I think there there could be a perception that we're the enemy of progress here. But I think a lot of points have been made. I agree with Brett. I wanna see things built. But there's a lot of considerations. We have to consider facing the public and saying what's fair and who had the opportunity to advance the development. There's legal considerations. There's future maintenance costs. As Sean alluded to, we need to be able to keep up with it if we build all this stuff. So I think, you know, I I I just wanna express my desire. I do wanna see the airport progress and grow. But another thing Jeannie brought up is the the future plan that was freshly approved Monday, and we're already potentially deviating it from on Thursday, and and we wanna stick to that too. So between all those considerations, I think that's those considerations, I think that's that's the prerogative of the board, right, is to to weigh all those things and make the best decisions. So I think as we move forward, I'm excited to see that happen, and that progress continue. The last thing I wanna do is have it stall and and not happen because we get too bogged down in the bureaucracy.

Keegan, I think that's that's what we do want to do. It it is in terms of of how we proceed, it's really hard to negotiate a development agreement in a board panel like this and to come up with something. So what we set up is a is a committee. John, Brad, and myself, and maybe that's sort of ad hoc to consider all the proposal that we may want to mature that into an executive committee that does the homework and then brings a package that's more definitive here for the board to look at. That may be the proper way to proceed. And let let's work on what you've given us. I don't have anything else to do for the next month. So

And, George, to your point, I believe that in the time I've been on the airport authority board, this is like a flood of interest in participating in the airport. And and it's a flood of interest of people who are ready to roll. And so I wonderful that is, Jamie. It's really wonderful. But it is also a little overwhelming for us as a board. So I appreciate the fact that we could take a step back, just make sure we have all our ducks in a row, and we're proceeding in an orderly and fair and transparent fashion. Yes.

Well, it also makes it easier if you don't have to go through a divorce. Yeah. So Any other questions or input? Appreciate your interest. Excited about the potential at the airport. The next scheduled meeting, anticipate that it will be held on November 6 at 08:30. Thank you. And send us your comments by email or otherwise. Yeah. Give us yes. Let us know.

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