Cache Open Space Advisory Committee - 20 October 2025

He kept he kept saying that we were the ones that did Sardine and Smithville. I'm like, hey.

I just don't want, you know, the council to listen to me like, Yeah. Right.

The council. Yeah. Okay. Are you ready, Angie?

Okay. Well, let's let's get going, if that's okay with everybody. Welcome

to our, October 20 COSAC meeting. We were our primary agenda is to continue our work on some of the promotional activities that we've identified that we'd like to move forward with. So unless anybody has anything else as far as the agenda goes, everything seem okay as far as what we wanna do today? Okay. Great. Well, without objection, we'll move forward with this agenda then. And then what what would you like to do, committee members? Angie, I'm assuming you don't have anything in particular to discuss or

Nope. All of them. Anything in particular. So I know that I can't bring up. Sorry. I can't bring up the draft letter Great. Into the Google Drive if you wanna look at it. That way, I also printed it off. Don't worry.

Great. Thank you. And Claire's been working on updates and and solicit a feedback from folks on the letter. And so and then Angie's printed off that most recent version. And so should we talk about that first? Work on that?

Either that or do the list.

The list? K. The list then we'll know who we're sending the letter to. Okay. Great. Yeah. That might Sounds good to me. Do you want me to plug in and show you the

the breakdowns?

I got them in slides. Yeah. I think the council like Keegan did a good job in his last email summarizing kind of what they're looking for. Right? Like, they wanna know how we came to recommend these lists. Right? So yeah. Whatever

criteria you use I just showed you this and then Yeah. We can we can alter it from this. So

is

there an h t there is an h t over there.

In the in the meantime, I'll just ask since you're a visitor here, is there something in particular you're interested

in learning about here? We just want to work at it.

Okay.

A 160 acres. Uh-huh.

Open wide. Yep. Yep. So you may be interested in applying for great. Great. Well

How how did you hear about us, by the way? What's that?

Good. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Down the river. Down the river from you guys. Yeah. Okay. Let's see. Are there any particular questions we could answer for you? Because I don't want you to have to sit through all of this stuff that we're just talking through if you have some specific questions.

Okay.

To get conservation easement money from them? Okay. Through, like, Leeray McCallister or a different type of funding? Okay. That's okay. It's complicated. Right? There's a lot

that go into these. So What side of the cover are you on?

I'm we're on the top of the hill. On Reagan's back? The same size as Reagan on the other side? On

Do you wanna can I suggest

Okay? To do a free app.

Okay. So what Angie was suggesting is we can put you on our agenda for our next meeting if you wanna talk, specifics. In the meantime, she can give you, information on the application, where to find it. I don't know if you've tried to look for it yet. Okay. So the county has a website, and we have the application information there. And Angie can share where to find that application. You can take a look at it. And then if it's straightforward, you're welcome to go ahead and fill it out, or you can come back to our next meeting and and ask any particular questions. You can introduce your your property to us and that sort of thing, and we can talk about it ahead of you putting a a formal application in. K. Find it. Okay. I couldn't find that application. That that's not a that's totally understandable. Sometimes it's not easy to find if you don't know where you're looking in particular. So And you can have a pre application meeting without filling out an application. Yeah. You can just come to a meeting just like this one, and we could talk about your project. Okay. And you're totally welcome to stay. It just may be rather boring.

So some of the discussion might be helpful just to Sure. See what you think. We're we're talking about particularly the gateway project or properties into the county, which is just one of the criteria.

Well, here we're gonna show both. Yeah. And it also said agriculture. Mhmm. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

Yeah. It's not just gateway.

Yeah. There's one piece that doesn't match gateway that we've already approved, up the down the, Cub River from you. With the Harris's property. Harris's property. Harris's. On the way to Richmond from where you're at.

Harris Farm. They're right across the river from Regan.

They're down a little bit, I think, south.

Okay. May not be.

Mhmm.

Same family, I think. Just a different brother. Just a different brother. The Harrises we're talking about are the ones right on the river, and they've submitted application to us that we've approved for funding, and I think they're just waiting for matching funding to come come along. So yeah.

So how's that gonna be?

How's what? At the Harris's? Uh-huh. We just help fund conservation easements on the property. Fund easements. Uh-huh. Yep. Great. Okay. That that sounds great. We meet at least once a month. And if you can't make the third, I'm sure you'll we could let you know when the next opportunity is. Oh, wow. Yep.

Yep.

Well, thanks for coming in. Okay. Well, thanks. I appreciate it. Yep. Likewise. We appreciate your time. Okay. Well Let us know what questions you have.

Good.

Good. Good.

You came to the right place. By the way, how many acres do you have? A 160. A 160.

Uh-huh. Great. Great.

You can see the beautiful mountains and all the

Yeah.

K. Thank you. Thank you.

Go for it, Eric. So,

COSAC Gateway and and and Vista Mailer Proposal, just put a and whether we use anything like this, I don't know. But, purpose would be to boost application in key areas currently underrepresented. And I think that's probably the highlight is, like, we're getting applications, but we're not getting necessary applications in these areas that score high in, Valley Gateway, Scenic VISTAs, and Agriculture. And we're proposing just to get to the cut to the chase on their a 129 mailers. That's what it equates to. You know, the one twenty nine is related just to the gateway. Is that right? Just to the gateways? Yeah. It's gateways and vist it does have VISTAs, and that's I mean, we that's why we're discussing here before there is it does have those VISTAs that we talked about.

What agriculture there might raise the question, why some ag and not other ag? These are and maybe

that have agriculture or something like that. But these will score really high in agriculture, and Justin, you can weigh in on this. I think some of these, the same ones that are scoring well on this would also score extremely high on the agricultural side, because I think they're in in pretty fertile areas. But except that, you know, this is a little different in the agriculture. This is more rangeland. This is finishing looking for a finished kind of story to Sardine Canyon. The dry lake area in Sardine Canyon, kind of starting there. And then the other area would be the Sardine Canyon Valley entrance. And so here, the one picks up on one side of the Sherwood Hills, this picks up on the other side of the Sherwood Hills, as well as what you see as you enter the valley. The positive here is that there are some big congruent landowners that could make a difference. That's not the case in every location, but this is the case here. So Sardine Canyon would be eight additional landowners, highway viewshed, and the Sardine Valley entry and overlook, we've identified 38 landowners. That includes the viewshed, with with greater than 20 acres, and landowners that potentially block the viewshed. So there's a few smaller landowners that, you know, they'll have like Ideally adjacent to a house. 10 acres, but you're not gonna, you know they put a they put a big metal building on that and

You lose your view. Yep. Okay.

So then, the other area, the Idaho border dismissed build. Now this is a narrow swath that's shown there, but remember what we're looking at is if a landowner's there and they own land past that, you know, there's some multi there's some 300 acre pieces in that top Idaho area that go well beyond that, but this is what I use to pick up what those are. And then also from Richmond to Smithfield, including the Smithfield Richmond Smithfield overlook, so that's a Vista area, as the north gateway. And from Idaho to Richmond, it's 28 20 land owners with properties larger than 15 acres. Richmond to Smithfield, it's 19 land over owners along the highway and 44 land owners in the viewshed properties with 20 acres or greater. As you so as you look out to the west from the highway, which I think is one of the most stunning parts of that north gateway into as you come in. Line owners in that mix, and he's on the highway. So and we have a Chris Christensen that's coming in is of course in that north one. Again, I use this swath to identify the the properties, but those properties expand out. So her her acreage goes beyond that. I mean

But it this will catch that product. Yeah. That catches the property. Yeah.

So then the Valley View entrance, this one is just the complicated one. It's I don't know that, you know, we'd get landowners applying, but but this is probably the least area. Again, the narrow swath is more to pick up everything from the highway out.

It picks up quite a bit. Is that narrow because of the banks on both sides?

Narrow because well, mainly, I'm I'm catching what's which to the inside, but, yeah, the u shed's not very very expansive out Mhmm. Out there either on that top

side. It's so it's narrow to make sure you're capturing the parcels that are immediately adjacent. Immediately adjacent,

and hopefully it's like a 100 acres. Right? But in reality, there's 44 owners in this very small area properties, that's with property larger than 15. Well, that says Idaho to Richmond. Oh, whoops. Thank you. I'll correct that. Okay. So this is value entrance, and I think it's very difficult to have something meaningful in there. And I I hate that because I think it's one that would be nice to be preserved, but it's there's hardly anything in there that's like, oh, that's a nice chunk.

Right. Yeah. A lot of smaller landowner parcels.

Yep.

A lot of smaller parcels, lots of the landowners.

Yeah. With not a lot being done on those parcels. Yeah.

It's a challenging area. I know just from planning commission standpoint, there's not much in the way of water out there. So there's a lot of dry land farming going on, but the highway goes through there. And I think even the Cache County master plan envisions the potential for a future sort of new town or new development kind of out that way. I don't know if those two things are in conflict, like water and then being able to do a new town, but that's part of the challenge, I think, that's facing that location.

If we look at the agriculture part of this, I think this is some right here showing some very rich agricultural area, and probably a lot of developmental pressure, as well as this being pretty strong on an agricultural scale. So I don't know how that looks. Then this kind of sums up the pieces that are highlighted all on one map.

So That's handy. Using this, you've it's you've used that to help identify what parcels to include on the list. Yeah. So you've got a list of land owners and associated parcels such that we could have the GIS team Oh, I already have them. They're they're k. They're out. So the maps are you have maps that show the parcels?

They can't. They have to be done one on one, one by one. If we were to if we were to pull them out and do this, it doesn't feed back that way. Yeah. We've got partial numbers that could that could but it's super hard because of the way it works that way. Okay. I did roll up when I identified these. I looked at the landowner as far as, like, if they had a 100 acres in the swath here or that touched the swath Yeah. I went to the master database from the of all account all the landowners, and I know that they have three sixty acres, for example. Because sometimes there's a small portion here, but, you know, they have it would be a meaningful farm to preserve based on the total that they have. Yeah. So that would be very, very, very hard. I mean, I could I start highlighting just manually go through and try to try to crunch that out. But No. I'm thinking this is a task for the GIS people to do. Like, you give them the Excel sheet. I can I can go back to Carrie, but that's that's a that came from a conversation with Carrie? Yeah. Because I I was like, can you know, because I can highlight those I can highlight a property by the land owner. I can highlight a property by the Right. Partial number. That shouldn't be that difficult. And I said, can I dump a bunch in there? And he's like, we're limited. Like, it it doesn't just take that dump. But I'm glad to go and ask Carrie again. So you're saying you'd rather see all this in with the properties highlighted rather than

I yeah. I mean, that's I guess that's just what I'm used to is, you know, it's gonna be a parcel based math that goes around the boundaries of those parcels or whatever.

And I just know that it has to be that way. That's just the way I think. That's pretty easy to do if it was a small amount. But, you know, for a 129

parcels, that's where we get Yeah. But we're talking about, like, a day's worth of work. This is not a

a massive undertaking or anything. Maybe we could start with one of your areas and and look at that one individually, those 22 parcels that are highlighted so we can see how it kinda fits in.

Yeah. I'm not sure I'm following the discussion. This map shows partial I mean, those boundaries are partial boundaries. No. The the land owners who own land there might own land adjacent to that. Yeah. That's not highlighted. Yes. And are you This is just a this is just a polygon

that is overlaid onto a parcel map to capture all the parcels within that polygon. Mhmm. It's not a boundary of those parcels though, if that makes sense. So Do we need that at this stage? And that's what and that's what I'm suggesting, you know, or asking is I'm not necessarily saying we need that. That's just usually what I would expect to see. I could see council members asking for that, but I don't maybe I'm speculating name?

You have the name, you have the mailing address. Right. I guess at this stage, I

I wouldn't be looking for that, but Yeah. You do this every day. So you No. And that's and that's fine. Others may not be looking for that either. Either. I may just be It may be a little messy viewing it like this right here,

but zoomed in, it would probably be not quite as bad. It'd be interesting to see, like, start chunking it out and just see what it's gonna look like, whether you can identify this easy. Because we still want it to look kinda like this. Right? Yeah. Ultimately, it's gonna look like that, but there'll be a a higher level of accuracy on it. Right. Especially on this, you can tell it's Yeah. It's We we would know. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't want people to start saying, oh, why did you bend the line that way instead of Yeah. You you know, and again, maybe I'm Yeah. Sort of taking taking this a little too far and and it's not an issue or whatever. So I'm I'm totally fine. I think, especially the overview that shows all of them and everything, I mean, it's it's getting at what we're trying to do. And hopefully, folks won't get hung up

on particulars like I might be. Maybe just make clear that it's an approximation.

Yeah. Yeah. We make clear, like, I'm you know, I could start making a path at it, or or talk to Carrie again saying, okay. And I do think it would actually be cycling around because what I mean, either I'm grabbing the parcels just here. So if I go if I go and say, okay, the landowner has to here, then I either have to get all of his parcels or none of his parcels. Right? And that may include a bunch of parcels adjacent to this, but also two pieces over here or something like that, which may either would then have to, like, then filter those back out. Because I I I I kinda have all or nothing Yeah. Access to all or nothing from the from the parcel view or master Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I just went and said, okay. If they're in there, just do a VLOOKUP and look at how much they owe Yeah. Half total. Yeah. So I know from one you know, it goes from $1.60 touching this to $303.07. I don't know how it goes from that. And I, you know, and I

so if if I were at my office and this was a project we were working on, I would literally take that list you have and give it to our GIS person and say, make maps for each of these Mhmm. General areas that include those parcels. Uh-huh. Those parcels, not, you know, not beyond or something like that. And so but maybe it's more tedious than than I understand. Or

Or or what he has as their license, because he was saying something about their the license. Yeah. That could be You know, they don't regularly grab an area and I was trying to do a dump, like, a dump of everything and he you know, out, not in Yeah. But out. And he said and it only went to 800 parcels. And he's like, oh, yeah. That's right. Our license is limited on what we can pump in and put into it. So k.

I think it's interesting when you look at the whole valley that there's only a 129, which is probably good news as far as focusing.

Yeah. Yeah. When we when we look at that, now now given I mean, there's a bunch of five acre land owners in that mix that are are excluded from this Mhmm. And 10 acre land owners that are excluded Yeah. From that list. I think it's a little misleading and would create a lot of work for us if all all of those five acre land owners got Yeah. Got this and they came in looking for a $150,000

or something. Right. Yeah. Let me ask a question to the council just for my own clarification. Do we have any reason to try and prioritize a a certain one of these, what, five areas based on a number of different criteria, like traffic counts for one thing? Like, do we want to focus first on the Valley Gateway? Because

The South Valley, the Sardinian Gateway because of traffic numbers?

Yeah. Do we have any

It's also the one that we're getting nothing on. Yeah. We do we do our first project is that South Gateway, right, starting Canyon. But there's a whole lot there that's disappearing really, really fast.

Yeah. I think the my response to your question would be it's a, it's a challenge. I I would be hesitant, just me personally, to prioritize one or the other. I could totally understand why the South Valley or or sardine would would be a priority just based on traffic volumes. Right? Number of people that see it. Right? It's also gonna be the most expensive of any of the other categories probably too, and so your dollars won't go as far potentially. Yeah. Whereas up there at the Idaho border, there's there's granted less pressure, less traffic, so on and so forth, but your dollars are probably gonna go a lot further in in So so so I would say, to me, it's whoever wants to apply. Because not everybody's gonna apply. Not everybody's gonna be interested in this program. And thus far, we've had a handful of applications, really, to speak of, and I'd rather see, you know, a 100 applications. And and and it's great if they're in the South Valley portion, but I wouldn't dismiss any of those other areas as for funding.

If if if all $20,000,000 were we get basically firm and everything in that North area, I'd be really sad because there's huge amount for it just because they finally wanna keep something there. Yeah. That would be really sad. Yeah. I do think that it's an interesting question for the council and for us to be like, is there some property that we really need to be concerned with, not wait to our part to be become a Sherwood Hills

issue? Yeah. I think that's that's that's the answer we've been given. If there is, we'll take care of it.

Well, maybe we yeah. What what what is that next property that would be highly, highly concerning? Because that would be that's actually an easier it's easier to shoot that with a rifle than than with a

shotgun. Yeah. I think as far as priority, we have to prioritize at some point. I don't know that we have to, at this time, to cut down a 129 letters to 50 or something. Right. I don't see the harm of sending it out more generally and seeing what's out there. I think each application we prioritize when they come in. So

To your perspective, I had when I first came in, I had to do a needs assessment. I sent out 600.

Right.

Right. What were they responding to?

Needs assessment. What needs were in the county for extension to Yeah.

Yeah. With the numbers of sandals. And I I I think, you know, wherever we can accomplish a good project is a good thing because at least get something started. If it's in different geographic areas, I say that that's fine because it gets things started. And I always have a long term vision, like, I I hope this isn't the only $20,000,000 bond that's gonna, you know, in years down the road, maybe there's another funding opportunity or something like that. So that's why I don't I'm not as concerned maybe about focusing on one particular area.

Just while we're looking at the big map there, for my coworker, I promised to bring it up. He lives in Clarkston. There is a plan to, I guess, pave or to widen the short divide to be a a shortcut from the freeway into the valley. So looking forward at some point, there might be another little gateway Yeah. Thing up there. As you come over the hill, you see the valley from a different perspective. I I don't know the timing on that. Yeah. So Anything you're planning on that? Policy? That'd be more about And there are cabins larger acreage type cabins being planned for the the foothills up there. Yeah. At some point, there might be another box up there. Yeah.

Yep. I

only have one other thing on here, and this is I've got a bunch of sorry. There was this came from an one of those sources. Right? With and they have a bunch. But I had let me let me see if I can find it here. They have a bunch of sample slides, and I just threw some stuff in, but oh, it's down here. My numbers were slightly different for Elkhorn, so we might want to just reconcile that really quick.

Yeah. I just grabbed where the first reference was off the Internet, threw numbers in there. It's probably kept it at percentages. Okay. And it's, like, I didn't have confidence in the accuracy.

K. These are numbers that for Elkhorn that I got from Gabe.

K.

And the the only thing on this is 1,300 of it in length to to pay.

Well, because if they're not accurate, I I think we should make them accurate because I'm I'm not vouching for their accuracy. Like I said, it was, like, free applications and just to get a rough number out there. Well, free application. That's a pre application. Well, it was actually the round two funding, I think. Okay. But I don't know what the final was in every case. K. And it's from news reports and things like that. This one, I think, is is

more because it came from Gabe. Yeah. It's what he had on his, like, his worksheets. It probably is more accurate. I do like what I really like about the two examples is they range from 10 I think that yours came out to 35, so I'm not quite sure. This the 38 came out to 35.

Yeah. Yeah. Per acre. I think that was from a news report. I'm not sure.

And

We should use the right number there, the 30,000. That'd be fine.

Yeah. And I love the range of 10 to 30 10 to 30,000 kinda gives someone a, like, okay. It could be lower and it could be higher and at least this number will set, will kinda work with, I think this number, well number one, these count on that you're gonna get state and federal money Yes. No matter what. But and did Harris's get approved for the state money? I don't know that for sure. Now this doesn't show the

landowner contribution.

That's right. No. And that and the landowner cont landowner contribution, the landowner's not getting. So if that's the difference, yeah, he's not getting that. That might be it. Yeah.

Good catch. Yep.

I was trying to show what the land what what the landowner's receiving Yeah. Not giving up. So and then the big story here is they still get a farmer, right? Mhmm. After they after they get that. Mhmm.

It's still their property. Oh, one thing I learned

was This may be a tax

Oh, because you're not selling the capital.

You're just selling To me, it's capital, and and that's why a lot of people were confused. In fact, my I was talking to my accountant, which he wasn't totally certain, but he's like, there's something that didn't make sense about these. And he think and he's like, I think it's because it looks like a long term capital gain. Yeah.

But Definitely affects the value of the capital. I mean

Yeah. Yeah. So when you sell the land, you're selling When you sell the land, you're gonna get 10,000 an acre. You have zero capital gain. But think about that that difference between a 20 and a, like, a 37%.

Yeah. Yeah. Big difference. Yeah.

But that's where that, contribution they're making can really be valuable in terms of wiping out part of that pretty quick.

Is is your idea to basically refine this if you need to, whatever, and then this is what we would take to the council

as a presentation. What I thought I was asked for last time is spot of each map, how many and the only one I struggle with I mean, it's hard to say we don't put it on there is that Valley View is if we got a bunch of those app I mean, they're really weird pieces, and it'd be they they probably won't,

yeah, look that great.

The what's unique about the Valley View entrance is it's a fairly steep road going down, and the whole valley is open to view. And it would take some pretty high buildings to wipe out that view entirely.

Yep. It's true. Yeah. It's not it's not angled. You're kind of dead on it, whereas the other one is angled as you come into

So what Keegan asked for recommended was include the methodology, the quantity, and the estimated cost. Really think that addresses it, not the cost necessarily. Necessarily cost, but yeah. But it but it's basically saying peanuts. Right? Yes. It is.

And you could say that. They can do that. We think this is gonna be less than $500 or whatever you think it is. Yeah.

Yeah. More in time, but it's not gonna cost more than a $129 to print it, put it in envelopes, and send it out. Right? Plus staff time. Yeah. That's yeah. It's really gonna be that. Yeah. Would we want to include that overview map? And the thing is is I could do all the merge, so all it is is printing. Right? Yeah. Would

we want to include that overview map with the letter to give a visual of what we're talking about.

Could be.

I kinda like that idea.

And they look at it and they're like, oh.

Yeah.

We would have to disclose that this is an approximation. It's not exact. Don't look for your exact property. Here's the one thing I like about it as you as you mentioned it,

Claire, is that these are easy things to get thrown in the garbage, and it's it's almost that little piece that you spend a little bit more like, if if you you open it up and you get a map and you're, like, looking at it and you're like, oh, I'm in this yellow area? What does that mean? Yeah.

That's true. Marketing. Yeah. It's more of a marketing side. How would you feel about, like, just a very simplified map where it's not quite as detailed as yours, but just kinda shows, you know, south of a circle. Here's the South Gateway. Here's Manaway. Sure. Here's Idaho border, you know. Mhmm. And then it's doesn't come across as, like, we're trying to be exact.

Probably better.

Yeah. More generic ish. Yeah. That's what I was thinking. But but still, like, I'm in the circle. You could call it out. You know, you could say you could label each of the nodes, you know.

Just do a real rough More more marketing style than Correct. Than accuracy style. Yes.

The PEM diagram.

Yeah. Good. It's an oval shape. Yeah.

Seems like this is going in a good direction. So By the way, that if you look,

that Hiram p that the piece really takes in that that Hiram piece we were talking about, that Hiram Nibley piece. Oh. So that does come kinda come into that

a little bit out there. That one was really wide. Is that because they're large parcels in there?

Yeah. There's large part like, 5 m owns, like, a ton of that, but I also because it it was a recurring theme kind of with this group is that you can see it from up there, but it's really important for people, Hiram, to nibble it to to have that vista back out to from their area to the Well City. So and by the way, there's a full sized metal building on one of these parcels now. Yes. Since the beginning of our conversations. I've seen it. Yeah.

We will eventually all have them. We live long enough if you live long enough.

So next steps on this, would it be to where did where did I guess, where did we leave things with Keegan that we would sort of get these presentations and and deliverables kind of put together? And then maybe here.

That's what we're doing today. Yeah. Could we get this to so we're just going from here to presentation. Yeah. What do you think, Angie? Are we are we on agenda at all? Not yet. I haven't put in the request. So the next available

county council we use would be November 4 or the eighteenth. So, yeah, just depending on your schedule. Typically, I have to put in the agenda of the schedule.

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's why we did the interim meeting is we can just vote if it's approved, then Yeah. It goes to the council, they do what they wanna do. Yeah. Because because we can we can fix this to meet,

like, we can take the input from the group and and finish it offline. And still be ready to present

without another letter. You could change your slides the day before. Right. The form is not

fixed, I don't think. As long as we're we're in agreement with, like, these are the changes, it's approved at that that level. Yeah. I think so.

So Yeah. I don't know if you wanna run it through Keegan first just as a courtesy or Sure. Yeah. And it he'd be easy to do like, one of us could

run it through Keegan. No problem. I think that's a good idea.

I don't think we'd have to do that before we vote. I mean No. No. No. No. No. I'm just saying, like, we include that in what we're Yeah. Agreeing to do. This is this is what we've we're recommending to the council. Yeah.

Put us on the agenda. We don't approve every slide. I mean, you've given presentations. Yes. We haven't approved every detail of it. We don't need to.

Yeah. And I mean, it could be it could be simplified also to that main overview map, and

here's how it breaks down I really on parcel. I don't I'm more skeptical about the example stuff

needing to go over that with the council. No. I I just But the For me, that was to come in here. Right. It wasn't a slight that I So the

I thought overall the presentation makes sense. Right? You start out, we're talking about the gateway areas and then zoom into each one, a slide for each one. This is how many landowners. This is kind of the criteria we're looking at, that sort of thing. I I thought it was very good for that, and I don't I wouldn't have any significant changes to what you've provided.

I think the only potential is, like, is there enough minutiae here that they get into the minutiae?

I I thought it was very simple. I I thought it was good. Forward. Yeah. It's a little shorter than I thought, and I think it covers everything it needs to. Yeah. And I'd be fine, you know, proving a motion to say this is the overall outline and and you Make a few corrections. You two work together to fix typos or whatever. K.

That sounds good. Alright. Well, I I would say on the letter, I think Let's let's work on the letter now and then maybe do everything together. Does that sound okay to you, Claire?

On the letter, and the reason I brought that up is I wonder if it looked a little easier in a table type format. I think this is fine. Even if we left this, I'd be totally okay with it. The only the the landowner contribution is the only thing. It's like, do we is it unclear what they're actually getting with the landowner contribution?

I thought it was helpful to mention that there that it is a part might raise a question of what's that and then we could answer the question. So so we're kind of intentionally raising a question there. I don't think that's bad at all. Because as soon as they come in, we say we're kind of gonna expect you to participate. So this brings that up.

But they also see that they're getting 30% from the from here, 48 here, six like there it's a variety of sources. It's a variety sources. I mean Yeah. That was that was the point of it, the variety. My my hesitation

would only be, you know, sort of showing like a 15% landowner contribution and and that being like the low bar. It is a low bar. It is a low bar. Yeah. Folks to consider more and hopefully And we could leave out the percents entirely. Maybe that's

too much information and just just point out the total with these participants and just list them without percentages. Do you take out the landowner contribution

and reduce the I don't know what it is. Okay. If I think if you're gonna have a breakdown including the landowner contributions, import it to show that there is a contribution

expected there. I know. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait

the percentages though?

No. No. I'm okay with them. I was just making any It is counter argument to the It's gonna set a it's gonna set an expectation. I think that's the question. Are we setting any expectations with any of those? Even though the per acre values are very different, the percentages on those two happen to come out about the same. They might think that's the way it is. Yeah. And where a lot of times it's more of like a 25%

expected. It could be. And the state's not gonna show up. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So maybe the percentages are not as important. But if you take them out, that's where I'm just like is our is our message just like what is what does it look like if we take it out? Take out just the percentages or the I don't know. What are you suggesting take out?

I guess at this point, I I would probably delete the percentage figures and leave the contributors? Yeah.

Does that imply that it's like, well, it's not 50 per am I paying 50%?

Least one. Okay.

I kinda like that idea. I wondered about that too. I don't I don't mind showing the breakdown. I guess I would start with the question of why do we want to provide examples? Is it because I think I think we have a good reason good reasons to provide the examples. Open space bond is not the only funding source. Like, there's Definitely. And that it's successful. We've already done a couple of approved a couple of projects.

And and that it's that the number can be meaningful per acre. I think we want to meaningful enough that you you would consider this.

It's kind of marketing too. If you see an ad for a new car, you think that's a great new car. But if you don't know the price range, you don't know how seriously to take the ad. All you need is the range. Is this a high end, a low end, somewhere in the middle? I think that's about all we have to communicate at this point. I don't think we need too many specifics.

But I I I like the numbers that you do have in here. And I'm fine taping the percentages out. Because what what I'm doing, if I get this, is I'm putting in four four forty one 4,100,000 divided by one fifty. Yeah. And then I'm matching it to my my property, and then I'm doing the Harris property. Yeah. And

And then and I don't know if it comes out enough in this. This is the value of the conservation easement. It's not the value of the property, which could be higher. So I I Well, do we say and they are continuing to farm this property? Yeah. Or just in the line above that, examples of approved conservation easements, which is some fraction of the total value of the property or something like that. I I don't know. Just to communicate their per because when they do that math, they come up with 10,000 an acre. They might think, oh, my property was appraised at twelve. You know? Well, you keep the two and we pay you the 10, but

that might not be clear. But if they understand that they can continue to farm it Yeah. That that kinda answers that. Yeah. Yeah. Below are two examples of approved conservation easements.

So I have And the land owners continue to farm the property. I have issues with that wording there to make note of. It just sort of dawned on me while we were here. What we should probably say is instead of saying approved conservation easements because they they haven't been approved yet, technically. Maybe we say below are two examples of projects that have been approved for funding. Better way better way of saying that, I think.

Mhmm. K. Various things.

Correct. I still like the examples. I think overall they're, you know, they're more helpful than hurtful. I I like the idea of ordering them

in largest to smallest percentages just to I like the cash value the the bond being in there first more because they're that's what we're saying, but I'm I'm I I don't care that much. You're gonna have this are you gonna put landowner contribution before state? It kinda looked a little

I think that's okay.

What what's your all feeling on having the percentage number in there or not having it?

I I like it. Again, I'm sort of we've talked around all of the issues, but I think for me, it's the way we've presented it is still more favorable than than maybe taking it out. I I think the benefits still outweigh the drawbacks. To leave to leave that detail in there. I If the point is to try to get across multiple contributions including landowner, that sort of thing. Do you think they feel strongly? I just think we were benchmarking

it quite low, and I think the only reason it worked for us was the state was coming in with the Leray McAllister number money. I think a norm more normal number that I've heard, like, from Gabe and others is 25%.

For what? Yeah.

Yeah. For sure. And so we're earmarking it super low here and

we could just say leave out 15% and just say plus landowner contribution.

Yeah.

I think that was Then we avoid that. And they're good. Yeah.

They can do the math, I guess. But

So not to change something, but just before I forget. On the the sentence where it says, participant offers compensation for

That is let's see. It's

the The paragraph starts in the conservation easement.

Mhmm. So rather than just saying open space values, we're gonna specify what they are. And then open space.

Okay. That's fine. Where where am I looking in that?

The second to last sentence that says participate

participation Offers compensation for preserving your lands. Agricultural yes. I like that. And

And and open space. Space season is value of Yeah. Not Maybe. Production that you're telling us what you want as actual production at the end of the season. Because they're valuing farming. It's not just vacant, unused,

fallow, open spaces. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah.

I I

capture agriculture production.

Is it going to be agriculture production in every case though?

No. No. And if Kendra were here, she would she would be saying, yeah. It's not just about agriculture. But I think in these gateway

Except for those homes except for those homes on setting on 10 acres as you come into the valley that would block the

And then those may be still natural resource. Then I I personally that as agricultural natural natural resource.

Okay. I would like that. I wouldn't like to just say we're only interested in properties where farming will continue. You know, you notice in in that same sentence above, it says con continue current uses. We could specify agriculture there. Or if we're gonna say preserving your land's open space, agricultural, and just make sure that it's not a box for only agricultural uses.

And these are all green belt properties. Right?

It goes back to the use in the word preserve too. If there's no ag value there, you're preserving whatever is or is not there.

Which we don't know how it's gonna score until we know what else you're offering besides agriculture. Slightly off topic. What if what is is specific course all that entire everything in conservation easement? Because we certainly don't show that on any maps of conservation easements.

You're saying their land is

Well, their mark with all of Cutler, Marsh, and all that is under there. Like, shows as their property. Right. That's true. Is that conservation easement or what?

No. So they've got they have property that Bear River Land Conservancy manages. That one is. Yes. But that's not on the you know, that's further north. It's kind of mitigation mitigation property, I think. That's why it has an easement on it, but that is Rocky Mountain Power property.

So they really have the ability to

Around the reservoir. Around that some Yeah. They could do all that stuff. But I don't they I haven't I've never heard of be interested in that.

That'd be under the wildlife. Wildlife is specified as one of the five elements, waterways and wildlife. Someone could definitely make a case with the wildlife part.

Sometimes we have to focus in on trails, and I'm I'm moving a bit more in, like

Regan's brought up creating access to the Bear River. Yeah. So people can get on and off. Yeah.

While you're formatting there at some point in moving from word to the email on the two examples, the second line didn't get tabbed over indented.

General comment about four minutes.

And it it was on the original. So the second line was indented as well.

I I personally am looking at this again, preserving your land's open space values. You know, above, we've mentioned what the five open space values may be. So I don't know personally, I don't know if we need to add we need to, identify just one or two of all of those values that that we're trying to preserve.

Maybe open space values is too vague that maybe we refer back to what was written above in some way? Preserve the values as outlined above or something? See that? That would make sense to me.

Because, yeah, I know that there's a lot of agriculture in these lands, but, you know, some of them just may be wildlife habitat, which is a bit tied into agriculture, but some of them are just to preserve open lands. You know, near the canyon, those lands are, you know, forested areas.

There's not a lot of forested though in in our in in in these Should we say open space

so what were you suggesting it says, like, open space values as

outlined

About. Above The list and above. Or as outlined in the bond language.

They won't know what that is? Yeah. As

outlined above.

You know, I'm thinking of more of the lands in the the the the lake area that you had up there. You know, some of that's agriculture. Some of that's, you know, open land, range land, etcetera. But some of it just might be preserved as open space without I just don't wanna focus on agriculture specifically there.

I would say leave it like it is then.

That's that's what I would support. Pat mentioned continuing the current uses. And a guy that's farming

will His his current uses is farming. Yeah.

What if we said preserving your land's multiple open space values?

Yeah. The one thing you wanna be a little careful with with the whole term open spaces is, does that mean I'm opening it to the public? Who's this? What's the landowner name? But molt almost there. Thomas?

He owns he's at the at the top to David right across from State Sheds. So all of that up against right up to as he's developing right now for

And that's not Stone Mountain? Is it in He's the other side. Oh, he's in the he's not in our house that sits way He's Weaver.

Is he in Weaver?

No.

Stone Mountain? Is that the name on it?

Nope. It's not. I don't think so.

You know, when I wrote this, the reason I put that sentence in there was to focus on the compensation. Yeah. Again, what comes after that maybe should just be shorter. Yeah. Participation offers compensation for you. Well, or this opportunity offers compensation for your participating in whatever follows those words without I think you're right. Maybe open space is a word of art that we understand,

but Well, somebody might What if it's just part participation offers compensation for preserving your land? I like that because open space I mean, it's the open space bond. Yeah. Yeah. Participation offers compensation for preserving your land. It doesn't need to be that. I mean, for her that was in here Yeah. Yeah. Preserving my land, that's that's

that's what I'm here for. Good. I like that. I like that 100%. That solves makes it shorter too. Yep. Some problems.

Similarly, Kendra had shared some feedback on the previous iteration before you sent it out. I don't I don't think you've seen seen that because she sent it to me and Eric. And so this is a newer version, but one of one of her questions was in regard to the next sentence. So Cache County seeks to match funds with state, federal, and private sources to maximize available funding. She was just concerned with the wording there that it makes it sound like the county is gonna help find the matches for you. And so I wondered that myself. Yeah. Yeah.

We're not assuming that burden.

We're we're just turning it on then. How about how about how about we say Cache County seeks projects that will match funds? Seek to match.

Well, we encourage you to match funds. Yeah. Seek projects that will I I

think we ought to change that in some way.

I agree. Really, we're gonna introduce and I I don't wanna get into this, but, really, we're gonna match them up with the land conservation group at some point. So Yeah. I think just saying Cache County seeks projects.

Yeah. Or there are often matching funds available that can maximize available funding. Leave the word Cass County out of it. Part of what we're doing is an antidote to the prior letter that went out that only focused on a small amount. We're saying, well, there's more than that available.

And this may cover that below. You might get that same answer as you go further without that sentence there.

I think a little bit of of education here is a good thing. Just there there are often state and federal state, federal, and private sources available to maximize funding.

State, federal, and private sources sources.

This sentence could go in the next paragraph after the words unique property since we're already talking about funding there.

Mhmm.

And then I like that move. You immediately follow with the examples.

One of our two examples of projects that happened.

And you might wanna swap the wording too instead of start with state because we know a large portion of state

and Yes.

How about below are two examples of of approved conservation easements that included federal and state funding.

Matching?

They weren't matching us. They weren't matching us. They were just they were doing their own thing. Yeah.

Yeah.

Matching, I think, is a little misleading. Okay. I mean, really, we weren't they weren't matching us. We weren't matching them. We were just co we're co How about the word added that included additional

in on top of the open space?

The lower two examples of approved conservation easements.

Both of those included funds from federal, state,

I if I'm a property owner and I'm looking and I'm reading about this, I may not know that there are available state, federal, and private sources. And so just to include it in the example without explanation of why it's there or how it gets there. I think it's important that we highlight I like that there's no one available. In that same paragraph. It seems to fit there, but maybe just Where you're at right where it's at right now? Maybe remove Cache County because we're talking about the participation offers compensation for preserving your land. And then right there say, there may be funds at work. There may be funds available to take out the word match. State, federal, and private sources or or federal state programs may be available to maximize funding. Can we say often

state state, federal, and private sources help to maximize

funding? Or potentially instead of often? It's usually often. Is it?

See, that would be Like like, if you if you look, we the only deal that hasn't been done done with other money was Smithville.

Then as a property owner, my light bulb comes on and says, oh, just instead of just this small open space bond, there are other ways. Yeah. And then the examples That is the majority. The examples bear that out. Bear what we've explained to them in a single sentence.

I like that.

By the way, I just shared this document. I'm not keeping up very well with all of your different Well,

I I have a a suggestion maybe on the wording for that sentence. Let me throw this out at y'all. I I kinda like the idea of shifting it down to that next paragraph to follow unique property, and then we would say, Cache County seeks projects that would also seek and then we fixed the thing twice, but that would also pursue

With those look and seek. That would also pursue

funds from federal, state, and private sources to maximize available funding. That works for me. Did you catch that, Angie? Yeah. You catch getting six projects?

Projects that will also pursue funds.

Federal state. Can you switch those?

You want from federal state or

From. From.

From

from and private sources. State and

private sources to maximize the vehicle.

And below are two examples of projects. This project is complicated. Can I can I suggest the wording on that next line too? Go ahead and put your space after the cent that period there. Can we say below are two examples of projects that have been

That have preliminary

that have been approved for funding. Yeah.

Would we wanna change the word to properties instead of projects here? Yeah. We're talking projects, and I think all of a sudden, I'm like, I may be a little confused, especially where you're like, catchphrase these projects that will also pursue funds. I'm all I'm all of a sudden, like, you're offering me money, and now I'm like, what am I what

I don't know. I'm a little Property is more personal. Yeah.

At least on the second one.

Yes.

Properties that have

Yes.

Yeah. There you go. There's more of a lay layman kind of a word.

You want that one changed also to properties?

Or maybe landowners that will also pursue funds. But projects works there. Yeah. Yeah. Proposals. Oh, I love proposals.

I think I'm getting a little That's a good idea. I think I'm yeah. Proposals. I like that.

Mhmm.

K. But what if what if I'm I've got that little 10 acre piece, and now all of a sudden I'm reading this and it's like they're looking for proposals that are looking for they they want me to go get federal, state, and private sources. Wait. I've gotta go and find private sources. What am I expected to do here?

Yeah.

I guess I mean, you tell you tell the needs lady that she's gotta go find private sources for funding.

I think the purpose of this is to tell them that those are available, not to say that we are That's not what we're saying, though. We're saying we want you to Just because we're limiting it somehow Yeah. Or we're putting a burden on you, but that's a good point. And I I think Don and Eves is like

Yeah. I think that's the point is that there are other funding there's other funding available Mhmm. And we leave it. Just let them know. In in addition to Cache County There may be

Your your property may qualify for federal, state, or private sources. That's what we're trying to tell you. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But the private is their contribution. Right? Sometimes. Sometimes. But that's that's right. To me, that's one thing in the private is the individual.

What are they gonna bring to the table? Well, maybe we maybe, yeah, maybe we don't mention private sources part because I think that's in rare cases. Right? Yeah. The one I keep thinking is is the land of the agency

district.

The private sources may also include The private sources may also include nonprofits that are willing to step in too. Mhmm. And that's a private source. So do we so do we change and or

or private?

And are we are we saying your your property may also qualify for federal, state, or private funding? Is it always more? And and private funding. I think it's Well, I think it's more. You see what we're saying there? That our our our message is more your property may qualify for additional funding besides what we're contributing. Not that not that if you're not willing to do this, we don't want you to come

to us. But you just put Cash County also seeks proposals that will pursue funds from the state's

I just say we say there's this additional source. That's what we're

Maybe we leave the word Cash County out and start with a more general sentence. Cash.

I think we're really just saying there's there are other funds available. We take cash. Our just saying there's there are other funds available.

We take cash Our examples show that. Mhmm.

And that's why I have the examples there because it shows where I mean, if you do the percentages, it shows you where they cut those funds.

Well, the sentence before that, funding amounts vary for each unique property, and there are often other sources available,

other federal, state, and private sources to maximize funding. Yeah. Yep. And I like the word often. Like Eric said, it's happening more often than people know. Mhmm. There are often other funds available from federal, state, and private sources to maximize available funding.

Yeah. I think that's the point of what Yeah.

Yeah. You know, our two examples of properties approved for funding, and they show the breakdown.

Do we wanna cut that sentence in half? Funny amounts vary for each unique property. Period. There are often other funds available or keep it in in one sentence? Because it works either way. Either way. It's a little bit long.

Not terribly.

K. I I I like it like that. I think we don't have to split it.

How about replacing other funds with additional funds? We're adding to

Additional? Yeah. Yep.

I have just a couple of smaller notes. At the top, where we it's the the address say, if you're a Cache County property owner or use property owner's name if possible. I think we wanna personalize this so it doesn't get thrown in the trash. Yeah. So we say, use property owner's name, not or use. We just state we just say, use property owner's name if possible. That's our recommendation. Yeah. And we say that before,

dear Cash County property owner. Or or leave that out.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't just put dear and then

delete Cash County property County property owner. Yep. I agree. Make it And delete orange. We delete orange. Keep it in brackets so we know that we're Yeah. Gear It's a it's a mail merge. Yeah. And then secondly, the first paragraph. Yep. How they can preserve, etcetera, and still meet their family's financial goals is how I mean, I know the majority will go to the family landowners, but will it always A ton of these landowners,

a ton of these landowners are organizations. So And I don't know how that works, but if you look at the five the five m ranches Yeah. Big one. These are corporations and not necessarily families. So we just say your goals or meet their goals? Let's leave the family in because I think so many so many of these are, like, that's the that's that's the hook that we're like, that's, oh, my family I can pass something to my family. And then the corporations would have to figure it out. The corporations aren't gonna be as interested

as a friend. Will be among the ones that are sitting on land for speculation. Exactly. Small pieces. Exactly. Would five m be at all interested? I mean, five m is a big like, wouldn't they be, like, just like the same as the university looking at? Well, other than it's a state entity because they own so much of it.

Yeah. I mean, I've got I've got what they own. It would be very interesting to see how much they own total.

K. We've only got a few minutes left in our meeting.

Brent, did you have more? One last one, and it's just simple. Final paragraph, applications undergo competitive review process, then you mentioned the application process. Is there another word, for the first process or just undergo a competitive review Yeah. Period? The application process? That bothers you.

Process. Similarly, I think Kendra touched on this, and what was what she had suggested is you sort of merge the first and second sentence. So it say, undergo a competitive review process that is designed in phases to be helpful to the landowner. That solves the problem. Yep. She had the same reaction, Brent.

I knew that, but I didn't know what to do.

And that was the answer. Yeah.

By the way, good work. Thanks, Claire. Yeah. Yes, sir.

Letter writing by committees. Collaborative. Yeah. Certainly challenging. All of our our

proposals are just

just nitpicky things. So is it two pages now?

So it does go on to the other. I didn't know who you wanted to sign it. If that one would be if you could share, you could still refer back to contacting Deb Alright. Once she accepts those edits, it might not be too vague. I think it'll just be one

change for margins. I to to me Yeah. My suggestion is we and we could leave it like it is now, or we could put Angie in there and just let them know that

it can come from development services or COSAC or Well, either way. What do you what do you guys Angie or you. Let's put a name on our

so that they they know someone is interested. I could ask Keegan what he would recommend. Yeah.

That might be the best because it could be the council. What if it was the county executive that wanted to sign on with this stuff? Where's where's where's the ad on this whole thing? Pluses and minuses. Just tell me.

I haven't had a chance to talk to him about it yet.

But but Keegan knows Angie, do you have a sense for where he just his general view of George Dank. Of co the open space

stuff? I don't know particularly about open space, but he's a big fan of

did

not.

Okay. Also enthusiasm level for open space, but I haven't talked to him directly. I'm just wondering, like, his signature. You know? Right.

Twenty years ago, whenever this started, I I heard secondhand that he made a comment that, you know, reserve Cass County is gonna take billions of dollars. Yeah. And it's not realistic. Yeah. But I don't know his view on specifics here.

I I still have the letter he sent us when we were on the AgAdvisor report.

I don't know. Saying saying to that effect.

There was just a lot of questions at that time. That was twenty plus years ago. So Yeah. It's not we're we're in different times. And now we we're

in different times. And now we have the bond, and that's my view. We have the bond. Correct. Let's deal with it. Correct. Correct. Well, Sherwood Hills is a great, like, people's thinking. Hey. That's the type of thing. Yeah. The best way possible. I think a lot of people's thinking has evolved.

Yeah. So I I I have talked to Keegan about trying to find some time where we can go and meet with the executive to find out more about his feelings, but but it so that hasn't happened yet, but we have talked about it. So And he's Like, we're just waiting for the right opportunity. And he's attending council meeting.

Having the executor's name on there, one one name might introduce a political consideration one way or the other might not be helpful.

I don't know. It it may be best to come from COSAC.

I think so. Right?

Mhmm. As a committee? Yeah. We're asking them to come to us. Right? Alternatively, the council could say, no. We'd rather have it come from us, which I'm fine with too. I kinda like the committee because we're saying, come come come here and Yeah. Let's start a conversation about your land. What?

I'm

not necessarily saying, if it's the right thing, what I mean, the the end result is like most important. Right? You know, that's also a blank we could fill in tonight. We have the authority to speak for ourselves so we could put the committee there. If they wanna change it, fine. Yeah.

Yeah. Cache County Open Space Committee.

Yeah. Sincerely, the Cache County Open Space. One less thing for them to do unless they do wanna change it.

So just that no particular person just Chris is holding on. I think that's fine.

Yeah. Let's just leave it generic. Cash open space advisory committee.

Do we have an open space advisory committee email that they could Well, we've got contact directly both.

Through. Contact us above there. We got the website. There's not an email address. An email address

Even if it's personal address from

from our chair Yeah. Development services. Or vice chair or Angie, something where they can reach out directly.

Yeah. Okay. And there is a little bit of concern. We don't want this to come off as the the last one which was friends of cash count Cash County open space or something like that. But that's it's actually this this committee could be if it's the development Cache County development services, that's a government entity. Maybe better from a government entity than from something that could be a PAC,

a political action committee or something. Yes. Yes. We put both lines there, development services.

Cass County Development Services and the and the

Cass County open space committee. Well, could we put it under this letterhead type? So at the top, it's very clear that it's coming from the Oh, yeah. It's for the letterhead. That. That's what Right. Yeah. And you got your contact information.

Yes. That's fine. One place or the other. Yep. And you pipe in too if you have any like

So so does not put my name on it.

Oh, not your name,

But this email that says services is just checked multiple times a day. It's just

But you're I'm sorry. You were saying you want to take this section down? No. Just the go back. Just

the website or contact, and then move so just leave those three words and have a period after that, COSEX, and then move that address down below So

I probably for details on applying, kind please contact the cash open space advisory committee. Period. Yep. And then we whatever. However you wanna say, sign off and then put the contact information underneath. Or what we wanna say sincerely, Cash County Open Space Advisory Committee, and then the address and contact information below.

I like having the Bulls there.

K. It looks great to me.

So I'll go through this, clean it up, get it on the Okay. And then send it out for a final review. Great. Perfect. That sounds awesome.

Should we should we would it make sense to take action then as before we leave to adopt these edits and this letter as well as Eric's presentation for the council? Yes. Does that make sense? Let's have a vote. K. K. So we would want a motion then to that effect. I would make a motion

what you said Okay. The aforementioned statement.

K. So approval of the letter the council for the letter to property owners and Eric's presentation to the council.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Alright. So we have a motion. Is there a second?

I'll second.

K. We have a motion to second. Are there any further discussions on this topic? All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. All right. Great.

Making project progress. I want you to look at the November 4 or the eighteenth, or should we wait in your current

Keegan. Keegan had a a specified he said something about, the election that week and that there may not be the attention that we would want. And, yeah, I think he recommended to do it, the the one before Thanksgiving. But I don't remember exactly, so let's clarify with Keegan perhaps.

As soon as is advisable.

Yeah. Yes.

But not in December.

Right. I agree with you. Do you have any sense for that meeting?

And do you have this I do know we have a little hearing for our water element.

I'm okay with either, and I think the answer would just be what which one would the council prefer? I mean, which which one has the agenda available? Yeah.

I think most of the elections are municipal, so it's not really affecting me if they have Okay.

So I would defer to Keegan or whatever staff thinks is possible as far as but let's hopefully, we can get on one of their November meetings. I will. Yeah. Is that something you can just, get back to us on? Which one might make the most sense because yeah. I would say either.

But definitely no problem. Okay. All right.

Thank you all. I think this one case where a committee drafting improved the letter quite a bit. Yeah. So I'm glad we did it. Yeah. Likewise.

Yeah. Thanks for your time and thoughts. And without objection, we'll stand adjourned.