Cache Open Space Advisory Committee - 3 November 2025

Okay. Okay. Welcome everyone to the November 3 meeting of the cash open space advisory committee. We appreciate you all being here and look forward to hearing from those who are bringing applications or wanna discuss, future applications with us here as part of our agenda. So has everyone had a chance to look at the agenda and the minutes from the last two meetings? I know I did. I didn't have any other comments. Anybody else have anything? Angie, is our agenda today good to go? Yes. No changes. Okay. No changes. So, in that case, without objection, we'll adopt the agenda for today and the minutes of October 6 and October 20. Alright. So the first project on our agenda is the pre application for the UALT Hyde Park bench area. And I don't know if you were gonna pull anything up on the screen, Angie, or if we should just turn it over. Probably be helpful to Yeah. Look at the The map. Okay. So is that mister Corbidge?

Well, we can go through which one whichever ones you want. Okay. You wanna start with Corbidge?

Tell us who you are. Well, I'm Brian Nielsen. I'm

the executive director for Utah Agricultural Land Trust. Great. Yep. You wanna start with Don or Jesse?

Don first. We've got Don listed first. Yes, please.

So that's a Penzill Farms. That's twenty eight twenty eight acres of pasture for grass fed beef cattle in Cache County. That's between Hyde Park and Smithfield. So I'm gonna wait for the actual map to come up so we're actually getting a point of reference.

Is it the same landowner listed on on both of them?

No. One is Jesse, and the other is Don and his wife. I don't remember your name. So, yeah, that's the aerial map.

So

that is the parcels between

the other three proposed protected parcels also known owned by the applicant. So they're submitting three

parcels in one application. So these are these are directly across the road from KMB, right there. And so move it. Yep. There we go. That parcel there. And then if you scroll down, it's the one on the left and then the other one on the right. The next one. Next one over. Right? This one?

That one there.

Alright.

So also we KMB is also looking at an application for the nine acres just across from that. So as you'll notice, if you look at the future trails map, that's actually these these properties, the KMB and the the the two Appenzell farm parcels, these are all located within the Hyde Park future trails map. So should there should be a separate Not not through them, but

on the outside of those?

Right. K. Yep. And they all are also located within the aquifer recharge zone. So there was a separate map attached that would indicate that these parcels fit within there as well. So what they're we're requesting is 623,000 from cash open space. And the land owner will then donate 623,000 to you all. Leeray McAllister, there was they did not award these these parcels any funding from this year. But we are looking to resubmit those in March 2026 back to Leeray McAllister. And we're looking at specifically this parcel for 350,000 from Leeray McAllister in '26. And if that's awarded, then that would decrease what we're asking cash open space to provide to to just 450,000. It looks like the NRCS funding is still pending. Right? It's still pending, but we're gonna have to probably resubmit and that we won't know that until first quarter of next year. Yeah.

K.

So do we know of any others that are is there any open, conservation easements around here right now?

I believe the Mac Mackel Farms is under an LLC, is it not, which is directly which is Mountain Naomi. And

I

thought someone brought that in as a a free app or

I I know Mickle did with a bunch of parcels, but I don't remember if it included this one. Do you? I think there's one on at least part of their property, but they're fine for another one. Okay. I feel like that's what I remember. K. Yep.

And we can pull that Okay. Yep. And we can pull that information up. That wasn't done through us, but

We do have a conservation easement later on right now.

Okay. That's the one that can be there anywhere.

K.

But you would if we threw up the if we showed this this image there.

Looks like all three of these Yep. All three of these projects together, about 45 acres altogether. Yep. Together.

So they have you're talking about Appenzell Farm

and the KMB Yes. The 28 acre Appenzell three of them. Okay. And then Appenzell East and then KMB if you added those three, which are just neighboring each other. Yep.

How many total landowners for KNB and Athens?

I believe there's three individuals with KMB. Yeah. The siblings. Kyle, Mark, and Becky.

Who's who's currently

He's not leasing his out. So he owns that, him and Jesse. Yeah. So as you would see, if the the map indicates that these properties actually fit up in that green bench area up in there, which would then preserve that and for future conservation. Any questions more on the the Appenzell Farms, which is the 28 acres?

I don't think so.

Alright. Yeah. Go ahead. So then just moving over, we'll just stay within the the family there. Then Appenzell Farm East, that's that seven acre. Which is where he

Yep. Right there.

Yep. Right there. So that's the seven acres of irrigated pasture for grass fed beef cattle with a high tunnel crop farming in Cache County off sole course between Hyde Park and Smithfield. Still borders the Appenzell Farm, 28 acres, which we'll get to next, that are seeking protection with the conservation easement. Still residing within the future trails map of Hyde Park, still within the aquifer recharge zone. Lee Ray McAllister was not awarded to for this part, this parcel. We're requesting from, open space cash open space, $165,003.17, which is 25 of total easement value. The landlord will donate a $165.03 18 back. And then, of course, still NRCS is a pending awarding for next year, first quarter. And once again, we'll resubmit this application in first quarter of next year

back to Leray McAllister for a $182,006.59.

If awarded, then that reduces what cash open space would be providing to $82,006.58.

What is the is that under Corebridge as well?

It would be Jesse, but it would be the if you're looking at it in the in the packet, it is the Penzil Farm East.

Yeah. I'm I'm trying to pull up the map as well. Yeah. It's

Jesse d Corbridge.

Okay. Yep. Yeah.

I should have asked this on your first one, but for for Appenzel Farms, the first one you presented, what's the total dollar amount, the easement funding amount? All all funders combined, the total project amount. I could probably $2,400,000

a quarter. Right.

That's right. The the total that we're asking for? Yeah. For the whole project. Not just from COSAC, but another project.

2,492,000

according to what's on here. Very good. What was it? $4.90?

2,000,009 492,000.

Any other questions from committee members on Appenzell Farm East?

If I understand it right, it joins those other parcels, or is it by itself? It's it's by itself. It's by itself. Okay.

It would yeah. It borders the other Corbidge. Immediately borders, yeah, the other projects. Okay.

That's what I wanted to know. K.

And related maybe to my question a minute ago, It sounds like you've already gone through the appraisal process on these. Yep. K.

K. You wanna tell us about K and B then? So that's the that's the the nine acres that's in front of right yep. Right there. That's irrigated alfalfa. That's also between, of course, Hyde Park and Smithfield. That's the focus area. This is a generational family farm and as we've indicated it's it's across from Appenzell Farms which has 28 acres adjacent to that and that's also seeking a protection with a conservation easement is what I understood. We've already established that. So it's a northern border to Mako Farms which includes Mount Naomi Vineyards. That's also inclusive of a 100 acres of agricultural property. That property as well sits within the Hyde Park future trails map area. They aquifer recharge zone. And then the Smithfield Canal and Smithfield Hyde Park Canal runs along the northern border of that property.

Actually, a sprinkler line runs on the northern border, and the canal is a half a block east

Okay.

So that's pressurized coming down from there.

And you have the accompanying images that that are are similar to what we had already talked about. The only difference with the images, this has the canal impact. What we are requesting from cash open space is 211,500. And then the the landowner will donate that back. Once again, Leray McAllister did not award this property any funding this year. We're looking to submit that again next year.

148,000.

And that would reduce the cost to cash open space to 150. And then that is still pending, the NRCS award for 2026 from NRCS.

Did Lorraine McAllister give reasons?

The reasons that I've overheard was they liked to look at larger parcels and looked at contiguous properties. Yeah. That was that's what we need to do, doctor. Larger parcels that were contiguous.

Other questions or

Would you think that would change next year? Just maybe for the rate McAllister?

I think yeah. We would hope. Right? I don't know. Yeah. I think the funding next year will probably be much similar to this year, so maybe they're probably going to have the same agenda as they approach properties. But I don't know. Squeaky Garrett gets the grease, right? So maybe if we keep submitting this forward, we'll get some funding for that.

Obviously, getting NRCS funding would help. Absolutely.

Yeah. Immensely. For sure.

Other questions?

What's the what's the long term plan with these properties going in as you look at, you know, generations down the road, maintaining them, farming them?

I'm gonna turn to the families here. Welcome. Absolutely. You can come up. Yeah. We can share the podium.

First of all, thank you for your time and consideration towards our application. I'm Don Corbridge. My wife, Barbie, Barbie's grandfather back in the early fifties, bought, much of the land that's in this application. And it's been, in the family farm ever since. So we've had it farmed by our family for seventy five years. And our son and grandson are currently helping us farm it. And so we're, you know, into the fourth and fifth generation on on this farm. And we're trying to keep it as a family farm as as long as we can. We're obviously under pressure with development around us. Not just once, but twice, we've had Hyde Park City condemn property from us to provide access to development above the canal. And found out real quick that you can't stop that from happening. And and we're our plan is to to keep it as a family farm. And we're just hopeful that we can have some help going forward to be able to make that happen. Any questions?

Do do you currently reside in in county?

Yeah. Our property is is that triangle piece right there Uh-huh. For our house is right there.

And where is the the Hyde Hyde Park County I mean, Hyde Hyde Park City line?

It's black line right there. Two of these black line right there. Yeah. So two of these parcels are in Hyde Park City. The rest of the land is is adjacent to Hyde Park City's line. And the declaration of annexation is on 4400 North. Yes. So we would be within Hyde Park's declared annexation areas.

And there is it's that road that's in pink right there that's kind of a a lot of bikers go up and down. Is that right? Yeah. 4400 North Lot of people walk it or bike it. Right. 4400

North goes up to the canal. There's an awful lot of foot traffic and bike bike traffic on the Canal Bank. And we own, I don't know, probably maybe 3,000 feet of the Canal Bank, and we've always kept that open to pedestrian traffic. And and we even tried to to formally create a voluntary hiking trail along along there. Found a little resistance from the canal company, but but our land that we have control over, we've kept it open.

Okay. And and so it's the one with that's what's considered the east one with Jesse's name on it. Mhmm. Not the east And so there is trail bordering that on a master plan.

It looks like I'm not sure how that how that translates, but we have from

Yeah. That's why I

have from the bridge on almost to the bridge on 4400 North to 3rd South in Hyde Park City that that is owned by either us or Jesse. So we do have

So so East did East include this Donald Lee Corbridge or just it did?

Yes. K. Yes.

Yeah. I think the Appenzell East is just just Just that.

That's

okay. That's correct.

That one goes there and there. Yep. Got it.

What are the is there a potential for those intervening properties to become part of

a conservation easement? Have them be included on this. They kinda wanted to wait and see how things happen with with with us. And and so I think I think their intent is that if things go well, that they would try and follow what we've done. Sure. I'm I'm currently leasing their their parcels from them and farming it as part of our farm. Okay.

Naturally, us and NRCS and and Leeray McAllister would, you know, if it included those other parcels, I think it really elevates that, you know, a total project application. So I don't know if you're able to, finagle them to at least help or participate in the application process or something like that, but just a thought. Okay. I I know that, I think it would be For example, Canva being involved in it, Elvie helps it already. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All the I I don't know if if you're planning separate applications or would it come in as a group sort of thing? Like We've submitted them separate. Okay. I I mean, we would consider them as a group. Right? Like Yeah. We wouldn't say we're gonna pick one application and not the others. Like, I think we would prefer to look at it that way. And it's easier to look at that way too. It is. Yeah. It is.

What's the latest on Mickel's pursuit of this? Do we know?

The John John, when he came in last year and talked about the I guess, I haven't heard anything officially, but it sounded like some of the parcels he was hoping to be part of the project, you know, the the families weren't as interested as he thought they might be or something which I think is why we have seen Someone sold part of it. Right?

If I'm right, one part of it got sold. Nothing new since then then. I don't think so. I haven't heard of anything.

I think you haven't heard of anything if I don't know I can give you some input from that. I'm Okay. I I'm a general contractor too, and

I built the winery for Keith Okay. This summer. And and I do that I do know that they're making every attempt they can to to to come in with some additional land. It's really critical to John and Keith to keep that Open Space Corridor open. And and but they've had a a real tough year with trying to get the winery in place. And with Glenn and Robert shutting down the dairy and and putting some of their parcels up for sale, they've been frantically trying to work something out with with them to try and keep keep it open. And and they're they're doing their best, and they were they were wanting to try and get Robert and Glenn to to apply too. And they're in kind of a bind because the land they had, was encumbered by, the bank. And and so they were under pressure with that too. And I don't think they have the luxury of waiting Right. For the process to find its way through. And so but they're they would really love to be able to to do that too if they can. As far as I know, the the parcels that Robert and and Glenn have have not closed and are still held by them, but but I'm not sure that they have the luxury of taking their time to go through a process like this. K.

Well, appreciate you sharing that with us even though it's not part of your project. But I do I do just would reiterate, like, I think as much as you can combine into one application, the better. So keep that in mind. Okay. If you're able to convince some of the other family members to at least test the waters if they're not in a hurry or whatever. It's makes a really strong application, I think. Yeah. I guess,

maybe a question I have is is like with with with other families, members that we have that are not included in this, you know, we've we've thought maybe we could, include them on a on an application and and and maybe purchase the land if if the easement was approved so that so that we, you know, I guess, could legally make the the application for the for the easement. And then if it works, we would buy it and Right. Pass it through. Right. And I don't know the logistics of that, whether that lies or not. But

Seems seems like it it is possible. I think that might be in a separate agreement that you work out with your family members. I think we could get that agreement with our family members at least

to do that. Yeah. And if that and if that happened, we'd probably have maybe additional 30 or 40 acres that that could go into it. Right. There's a big field by the sewer pond that's 20 acres that in one piece, and then there's a 16 acre parcel and then two five acre parcels outside of that. And I think that there's a good chance that that they would be be willing to put all of them in. Yeah.

Well, I think, you know, what's what's great about these pre application meetings is it allows us to kinda talk through these things with with you guys and make some suggestions. And I think, obviously, you're welcome anytime to submit a formal application. But if you are able to work in some of those other intervening parcels to make it a bigger project,

I think that would really benefit your chances of funding, not just from us, but from those other agencies. Initially, when we first applied, we were dealing with deadlines within our CS to Sure. Get it in within thirty days or sixty days, and we just couldn't pull it together on property that we didn't own. And so we initially just applied for what we did. Makes sense. Yeah. I I wouldn't say you've done anything wrong at all, but just something to something to think about and

and see if if you're able to.

I think it'll make a stronger application. Alright. Thanks for the input. Yeah. And I think, as I understand, some of the reasons for favoring bigger parcels, contiguous is that it impacts the viability of agriculture on those parcels for a long, long time for the future. We're looking decades down the road to see if we're gonna have agriculture there or a vacant lot, basically. And especially where you've got homes kind of all around it there. And then, so viability of agriculture. And and if if it were smaller, and it might not be viable as a hayfield, but if there were some specialty agriculture there or something, it would be commercially viable. That's kind of the reason for looking at that. Otherwise, I think like Blue Ray McAllister, we kinda look at properties that are unique and irreplaceable. I think they use those words a lot. So if your application can emphasize those kind of things, that's kind of what we're looking at. So what type of specialty

applications

are are you Oh, I don't know. The one that comes to mind is Zollinger's Orchard, Bell River Heights. I mean, that was that was an existing

That's great. Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. All kinds of things to get. I mean, obviously if once it's under easement and if you are able to consolidate parcels, then you know, you can begin to make those kinds of decisions. But yeah. Any other questions or comments from committee members?

Do you want to hear from Kyle

Ashcroft? Happy to. Yeah.

Mark.

Mark's going. I've been called worse.

He's better looking than Kyle.

M of the KMB property. That's a generational farm. It was my grandpa's, and I don't remember anybody before my grandpa. So I don't know if it's been in our family five generations or what. But my dad inherited it. My parents have both passed, but their trust is open. And so that is my brothers, my sisters, and my inheritance. We can't cut it in pieces. We don't want to cut it in pieces. We wanna keep it intact. We wanna keep it farmed. We wanna keep it in the family. We learned about this developmental right buyout 20 ago from John Mickle when he first started to push it, and it has finally developed into a viable program now. So this is a great opportunity for us to settle the estate. The intention is that if we are accepted and we have funding to do it, I would buy my siblings out, and I would be the owner of it and keep it farmed. In our my wife and I's trust, our oldest son, Gary, would have this. I have a farm orchard, berry farm row crops on the South End Of Hyde Park, and our younger son, Brad, would be doing that. We we wanna keep it green. We wanna keep it productive. We don't want it subdivided. We don't want it townhomes and the strip mall like the Hyde Park City master plan shows it.

Great.

So we we just wanna help out. We've always considered that field the south buffer of Mickle's Dairy when they had the cows. Now it's the north buffer for the Corbridge family, whatever you wanna call it, but that's an integral part. We need to protect it. Any questions or comments?

Great. Hi. We appreciate y'all's interest in the in the program for sure. Let's see. Anything else on this item, committee members? I think we would just encourage you to continue to move forward and bring us a project when you're ready. Alright. Okay. Thanks a lot. The next item on our agenda is the pre application for Brett Daniels. Is there someone here who would like to discuss this project?

First of all, thanks for giving me just a a moment. I'm just really kind of in the exploratory stages here Great. On some property that I own on the North End Of Smithfield. Two parcels as you can see right there. It's it's located about I I I drove it yesterday, point six miles off of Highway 91, and it's about a mile from all the major developments that every day seem to be creeping north. It's it's also very close to the new Smithfield Temple that is only going to encourage growth and development on that end. And so I was just looking at it. I bought this property and and I just farm it. But I bought the property to just do that. And I also have some cattle that I put that I put on those that I I plan to put that into to a grass and then put some cattle on there. Up to this point, it's just been farm. It's been rotated from three way to alfalfa. And it's a nice piece nice flat piece of property. I've got 12 water shares on it. And just last week, the electricity came just to the south of me, and they're going to be building a home there too. So, anyway, I'm just exploring the options. I don't really understand the program. I'm glad the county has it. He does a real need in cash value for projects like this. I don't know. I'm looking for advice. I don't even know. And you can be totally honest with me. I don't know if this would be something that would even be entertained, but it's something that I have no plans on developing at this point and would like to keep it in a green space. So I just, just wanted to come in and just, see how this works and get some suggestions, ideas, and thoughts.

Well, we appreciate your interest for sure. Just for the meeting here, you know, how we had that overlook area on our mailers. Brett is the second smallest landowner of the mailers that we were sending out there to that area. So I do think it's it's interesting because of that. That mean you know, you you see it from the highway, don't you? Yes. Yeah. You see you see it from the highway. I do think it would be particularly interesting to get, like, some surrounding similar to what we talked about where there might be a few landowners in there that join up to to kinda make that a a bigger parcel, but it is interesting that it was on the list. Yeah.

That's part of that view corridor between Smithfield and Richmond. And Richmond. Uh-huh. So it's interesting to us that way. Right? And I think you probably heard from the earlier conversations. We're always encouraging or or looking for projects that can bring more area in to have more of a meaningful impact. So that would be one suggested. I don't know if you've talked with any of your surrounding neighbors and let them know about your interest and if there's I haven't yet. But I think there would be some interest there. Yeah. I think it's in the area that we're interested in, is what I would say. And by itself, I I don't know how much support it would get initially, but, you know, if it was a part of a bigger project, I think it would have some compelling arguments for support. Okay. You can also see that other, you know, one of, one of the things that we're interested in doing of course is stretching our county dollars as much as we can and that comes through other funding sources participating in a project. And so that's also something you can consider or look into Sure. Is opportunities for funding from other existing state and federal programs. Other other thoughts or comments, suggestions? What else would you guys say? Did I touch on the important stuff? Or I don't think so.

Yep. Without adding other parcels, it'd be pretty tough.

Yeah. I may talk to I'll talk to the neighbors. Yeah. See see if you can you know, if you have any good ideas for for expanding that, I I think we would be interested. K. Thank you. Okay. Appreciate it. We appreciate your time. Okay. Next on our list is the Okay. Next on our list is the Jackson family properties up in Lewiston. Who would like to talk about those projects?

I guess that would be me.

Come on up. Come on up, Dennis. Let us know who you are, and tell us about your project.

Well, I'm, Dennis Jackson, resident of Lewiston. And this for us, is definitely a pre application process. And I don't know that we are that familiar with it, but have been introduced to it. And so I have some questions regarding how it would apply in our case and if it would be a fit for consideration. As I looked over the application itself, it identified that there needed to be indication made of what benefits the public would receive from a project such as ours. And I guess as I look at those, in our case, it would pretty much be entirely maintaining agriculture. I don't see that we're promoting any of the other areas particularly, but we do have a definite interest in maintaining

the acreage

as a production unit and going forward. If it allows us to involve future generations, for example, and I think we have some questions about that. The acreage that's involved, I assume, is on the screen. Is that correct?

Yes. I think the North boundary is this 44 parcel. Right.

Correct. And and those are contiguous acres that have been put together by our family over the course of many years, starting in 1950, adding approximately 40 acres of acreage at various times during the seventy five years since then, with the latest addition being the acreage on the north boundary a couple of years ago, which completes the contiguous acreage. And

It's a quarter section, basically.

Yeah. That is correct. It is a quarter section in there. And the little bit of history of it, and I'll try not to belabor you with a lot of detail, but for the last twenty years approximately, 120 of that 160 acres has been leased to Utah State University, who have used it as irrigated pasture land for research. That lease terminated a year ago and we are now transitioning it back to family operation and intend to go forward with it as a production unit. With the help of family, particularly a grandson, who is very much interested in it, And so we're in the process of that transition now. I guess the question I have to start off on an exploratory basis is where it's out in essentially the center of the valley, it's approximately four and a half, five miles west of Highway 91. Where it's out in the center like that, is the type of project, if the only motive is to maintain it as an agricultural production unit, that would qualify.

Right. I I think the short answer is is yes. I mean, you you pointed out that its main contribution is is agriculture. And so, it would rate very strongly for for that category. The the interesting part of the project is it's a sizable project. It's contiguous acreage. And so I think for you or for your family, you know, pursuing funding sources such as the NRCS or Leeray McAllister, I think this would be a very appealing project to them potentially because it's contiguous, it's larger, some of these other things that we've been discussing. And so I think your your project may look as a good source for funding for those other federal and state grants for those reasons. So I think I think that's on the good side. Alternatively, like you mentioned, the primary focus is gonna be on agriculture, and so it doesn't you know, it's not gonna score high in the gateway areas or scenic vistas or that sort of thing or perhaps even wildlife. Obviously, I think you probably have a fair amount of wildlife out there, but it doesn't have a river going through it, for example, or something like that, which which may bring bring other benefits. Probably aren't any trails out in that area too much, but so those would be the the downsides to it.

I think if there's a great amount of funding from those other sources and it's a smaller amount of funding from us, that's more appealing. But, you know, I I could see Lee Ray McAllister more interested in this where they're much more focused on agriculture, and this is Yes. 153 contiguous acres. This might be, like, you might have more, and we do have two land trusts here that might be able to help you a little bit to explore those options. And then if you're coming to us with a small request because and the other thing is there's not developmental pressure on this area, so that could make it a little bit smaller dollar value that we

are asked That would be in a reflective on the value of the value. Value

would reflect less. Yeah. NRCS is the key Yeah. Making this work for your family. And it's done nationwide. It's done on a point system and, there's NRCS easements clear across this country. And so that would be something that because of the the nature of your farm, but for us trails and Vista and all that, no. But that's that's really what's if you get an NRCS grant bring the appraisal in, and a reward of 50 grant from NRCS, it's it's really a wonderful way to solve a lot of issues within your family estate.

Right. Well, I won't dwell on it, other than to say that the statement that there's not a lot of developmental pressure on it, that's true as far as the area and location in general. Within the family, that's not necessarily true. Right.

And and

and so as a result of that, I think there's one way to diminish that pressure and that's to make it very clear that it's for agricultural purposes in the future only.

Right.

Now I won't say anymore because personalities get involved and some people here know who they are, but that's our intent. Yeah. Great. Preserve it and make it so that there's no question for future generations as to what that intention is.

Great. These two gentlemen here may be able to point you in the right direction.

Okay.

The ones that are looking with it, I guess,

right there.

That's it. He's got it.

So as far as pointing me us in that direction, we need to talk further.

Yeah. So you're you're talking to two different land trusts. One's the Utah Agricultural Land Trust, and then one is the Bear River Land Conservancy. And so and there are other organizations too that may be able to help you, but these gentlemen are here and so it's a good place to start, and go from there. Okay.

Alright. Well, very well. That, I think answers questions that we had before we invested more time in application. And Yeah. I appreciate we appreciate your

your help in directing us. We we appreciate your interest. So thank you for bringing this project to our attention, and we hope to see a formal application down the road. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Committee, the next item is on the Vivian Christiansen, the formal application. So those those the three previous agenda items were pre application discussions, and and this one, has, been officially submitted on an application. And so who would like to talk about this project? I think everyone on the committee has been part of the meetings where we looked at this earlier, so that's good. K.

Well, I can just give you some updates. So, yeah, we submitted the full application on October 23. We'd like to inform you guys as advisory committee that Utah Department of Ag did award you all 525,000 towards to Vivian Christiansen. Congratulations.

Yeah. That's good. It's great. It's good for them. That's the two that we've received up in this Yeah. Area. Is that right?

So, yeah, that that came from the the Leeray McAllister Working Farm and Ranch Grant Fund. So we still have not received any funding from NRCS regarding this property, but that's also looking forward in hopes of first quarter twenty twenty six getting funding.

You'll find out. You you've submitted applications. Right? Yep. And so you're just waiting to hear that? Waiting to hear that.

So the requested amount from, cash open space, could be roughly, right around we're we're thinking 731,000. That's 15% of the conservation easement value.

What percent?

15. 15%. 15%. So that's 200,000 more than we had originally requested. And the landowner donation would be roughly right around 1,200,000.0 or 25% of the conservation easement value.

The appraisal's complete? Not probably not complete yet. Not complete. No. Well, it it won't be until NRCS gets

Yep. Yep. Okay. But these are numbers you're working with. Right. Okay. Are those numbers in here somewhere, or is that informal? Those are rough. Yeah. These are rough. And so

with with our with our sort of two step process, it it would typically be in this next step that you'll come in with some numbers. Right? Right. K. Okay. No. And we but we appreciate, you know Yep. Just having an informal discussion about that. Giving you the updates on that and Okay.

So we need to schedule a site visit at this time. Be the next thing. Mhmm. I don't know if

we've talked to you about that or staff has talked to you about that, but the next thing we do is we'd like to schedule a site visit with the landowner and, you know, if that's possible. Absolutely possible. Arrange of a day and a time that we can all that works with everyone's schedule, and we could go up there and take a look, and then, staff will also generate a report. And then after we get a report and we do the site visit, at the next meeting, we would actually do a first round vote typically. Okay. So With some scoring. Yeah. Yeah. And then we'd make our recommendation to the county council and then if they agree with us, then we'd move on to the second round. Okay. So, yeah, we look forward to Yeah. Moving that along accordingly if that works for you guys. Absolutely.

Great. Yep.

Great. Okay. So, Angie, do you wanna work directly with them to get something scheduled, see what works.

Yeah. I just think we wanna do this in November, but then we need to have time to make the to their staff refer before our next regularly scheduled meeting on December 4 or seventh first. Okay. So, is there a day of the week that works better or a time? I think, typically, we've done it on a Monday afternoon.

Works pretty well for me. I think,

what we've done in the past is say, if we have if we don't already have something scheduled, if this is our regular meeting, then we would try to do in two weeks on the seventeenth.

In November maybe?

I know that that would work for myself at this point.

I think I'll be should be available. So I'll have to I'll have to check. How are we thinking?

It'd be in the afternoon, probably. So similar time to this, maybe 03:30. Okay. Something like that.

Angie, I wonder if we got that out to those that are missing as well, depending on what the others' input is here. Justin has been really valuable on those site visits I found.

And I think for I mean, since we didn't, go over the details in particular, the map on the screen for those in the audience shows all of the parcels associated with this application. And, as you can see, it's it's on both sides of Highway 91 north of Richmond and immediately north of the Pepperidge Farm facility. And yeah, just FYI, in total acres, three thirty four acres. So a great a great project that, ticks off a lot of boxes for us.

Clare, you make you make that one? Yeah. Kendrick Kendrick can't. So I'm just wanting to make sure we get a try to get a quorum. Yeah. And then we have the video.

Okay. Yeah. Follow-up. K. Yeah. K. Great.

The the numbers are attractive too. I mean, for the size of the project, 15% Sure. Gives the county, I think, a lot of bang for the buck. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

Also, only about $2,000 per acre.

Yeah. Exciting. Great. So we'll, we'll let Angie confirm the site visit and everyone can be available that is available and we'll go from there. Perfect. Thank you all. Thank you so much.

Really appreciate the work the staff's done on it, Angie. Yep. This is helpful.

Any other questions from committee members on this one? A lot of prime statewide and locally important farmland with this one. K. K. Hearing none, I did make a note to myself, and then I forgot to say something. So I wanted to Landis, can I bug you for a second Yeah? On that on that item on our agenda, number three, the Appenzell Farm project, is does do you know if any of that relates to some of the work you guys have been doing up in that area on trails? How does it relate to the the the project that the county applied for. Is that segment of trail that's further to the north? Is that right?

It's to the east.

Oh, to the east. Okay.

And then it I mean, it'll go north and south.

Okay. Alright. That's kinda what I was at. It was not not clear on if those corridors happen to be part of that project. So okay. West. Okay. Great. And it looks like the the canals that do run adjacent to a couple of those parcels are shown on the trail master plan for future development. Great. Okay. I just wanted to touch on that since we I know we talked about it a little bit, but thank you. Okay. The next item on our agenda was the county council presentation. So is that set for the eighteenth? Okay. Yeah.

And you envision showing what the target audience is that we're

Yeah. Yeah. I think what we talked about before, maybe just a simple slide deck that says, here's how we identified the properties, here's how many there are, here's

The thing that I was not sure about is it sounds like maybe that's a busy night for the council, and so I wasn't sure if we would be able to squeeze in there. And maybe that's a good thing for us. Maybe we'll just guess and move along.

It can be an easy decision that will be attractive to Okay.

Moving along. Okay. And I'm I'm happy to represent COSAC and and, you know, lead that discussion. Obviously, Eric, if you're wanna participate or come to the meeting, that'd be great too. So k. Yeah. And and what Eric had chimed in on is, you know, we're talking about $250 ish, something like that, so not a big amount, certainly.

Does it need a special appropriation or is it just to inform the council?

You know, I don't know. I think it might need council approval because it's not explicitly for an open space project and it's it's more to market that where there was some reluctance prior. I don't know if it's just a formal resolution passing. Yeah. That'd probably be a question for Andrew or policy person, but I Okay.

Great. K.

Anything else we need to touch on for that? That should make it like if it says here's where it would come from.

Yeah. Any anything else wanted to cover on that item?

I I've got a a map that could go with the mailer just telling people why they're getting it that we talked about.

Yeah. Do you wanna walk through that? What's easiest?

Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Let's do it. I mean, I think we should. K.

Great. And it you know, it just it's a this is a focus on some of the gateway areas and just trying to let folks know about the program.

The

I think we're also we've been talking about and have an interest in doing something like facilitating a open house workshop or something like that as another method. And so, that will probably have some minimal costs associated with it too, I would think. So, yeah. I think that's great to say, you know, like you said, let's, let's set a precedence and do something that the council's comfortable with, some of these small budget items.

Didn't talk about that or mention it. I think that's a good way to get the word out as well. Yeah. There's a follow-up article.

And I actually talked to someone who listened to it. So Yes.

That that wasn't related to you. Right?

Right. You did It wasn't related to know I was your mom said you did a great job. Exactly. Oh, you're like, and Eric was on the radio. I'm like, wait. You heard that?

So That's great. Thank you, Keegan.

Oh. So how so,

this was just a more of a simple map put together that could go with the letter. And and the whole idea was just to explain, like, why they particularly got, a a mailer Yeah. If that makes sense so that they, they can kind of envision that. So it just highlights the each area and has a calls out a, you know, North Corridor, or North, North County Gateway and then North County Gateway VISTAs, etcetera, etcetera. So if that makes sense, that would be

something that we could include with that letter. Great. And there's just sort of there's five areas on the map. Yep. You mentioned those. There's Valley View.

I tried to do them as a circle like we talked about, but I what I I the the circles got a little unwieldy, and I didn't wanna try to explain why. Wait. I'm in the circle. Why didn't I you know? Or Right. So

Okay.

That focused a little bit more. And then so I I'd probably go pretty much with our the presentation that we showed last time. There was a, a request to show the properties that that, came up on this. That did reveal that I I missed there are a couple of properties that are missing. So I worked with Carrie and we kind of reversed this. Before I show it, there's some properties that are missing. It was on my earlier map. Part of them is the university, Utah State University, because what I did is I went back and I I highlighted, you know, here's the here's the corridor, but I also highlighted, all the properties that those people in the corridor owned because they would probably come in with their entire farm, etcetera, and that kind of widens that corridor from here to here, and Utah State was one of them. Well, so then I left Utah State off, just so I could not have, you know, the university highlighted and and etcetera. So there's just a couple of holes in it that way. So this right here, and let me see if I can hide that list. So you'll see the Northern Corridor. And so anything kind of random in here, like these properties over here are owned by people in the gateway corridors.

Oh, right.

But they happen to own some parcels in in other areas. Which I I do think it makes it so those may get better NRCS money, possibly Ray McAllister money. And then interestingly, there was some in that same area that we're talking about where they own corridor land, but they also have this, some in this Hyde Park area there, Smithville area. And then, this is an area that's really tough, like I mentioned. The corridor was fairly tight. It did widen, which would probably be a benefit, but they're like, a landowner would own very, very sporadic spots in in this. That corridor is gonna be a little bit tough.

You add them all together, though. It's pretty consolidated.

Yeah. It was a lot a lot more a a lot wider, a lot more consolidated than I thought it would be. Yeah. And then as we come down here, we'll just start in the in in the canyon. You'll see that the canyon bleeds over to the other side with a couple of them, Pisco, Grazing Company, and a couple others. There'll be one that I'll add back in. I didn't Corporation of the of the president, Church of Jesus Christ, Latter day Saints, I left out because that would have been a bunch of little random every church house property would have come up on here, but they own a piece in here. And then, there are some that I just need to go back into sorry. I I'm not meaning to get the search going there. I'm just trying to zoom in. Here. There are some, properties in here. Utah State's the big chunk that's missing in here, but there'll be right here, all of this right here, and then some over here is is the university. So this will fill in a little bit more before we propose the final. That'll add some properties to the overall list, but I'll just it's small enough of a of a group that I can hand, go through, highlight those properties, and add that to the list. Great. But hopefully, this kinda helps to show what it is prop from a property. And it helped me It is. It's super helpful. Help me catch that.

And the interesting thing though to me well, another interesting aspect to it is, am I right? You I think you said this is like 130 to 150 landowners. It's not Yeah. It's not hundreds.

Yeah. This is 140 landowners. Right. And it's nine fifty parcels.

Okay. So Interesting.

They are landowners that have bigger bigger pieces. So Great. So those are two things, and then just that original presentation that that goes with it. So Awesome. Anything else?

I don't think so. I mean, we'll plan to have you make that presentation, I think, to the council if you're available and everything. Well, it should be. Great. Yeah. Any other questions or comments

or suggestions for the letter's important and probably having that letter out in advance.

Yeah. That's what would be ideal if not. Just maybe hit the three to five bullet points that are contained in there. Great.

Awesome. Alright. Thanks for all your work on that, Eric. Okay. Just down to, the last fifteen minutes of our meeting, last couple of agenda items. We got twenty twenty six reappointments.

Yeah. So,

as you're aware, your terms are only one year. So at the end of every year, we have to reuse them. So what I'm gonna do this week is just send out an

email year, so we can have these, in place for the January meeting. But I just wanted to bring that up and let you know to look for that email. K. Thank you.

And then I know Councilwoman Buse was asking about I I I don't know if some somebody has expressed interest in possibly serving on COSAC or whatever. Has she reached out to you yet? Or Keegan, I don't know if you have heard from Councilwoman Buse. So anyway, she was asking me a month or two ago if there were any openings on the COSAC,

and I replied back and We had someone appointed that hasn't come yet. Right? Correct. Correct.

Yeah. They've accepted calendar invites in the past, but

So maybe that's what's being considered as a replacement for for that person. So okay. Any other business or comments, questions, suggestions? Anybody in the audience have anything for us? Appreciate it. This is a lot going on. Yeah. Yeah. It's nice to see. After months of of not seeing any applications, there's

quite a few on our agenda now, so that's great. You do a how how do you hear about us? What's that? You do a how how do you hear about us when people apply

so you can track? Sometimes it comes up in the conversation, but I don't think we've, you know, made it a habit of

I've seen the same thing, so I just wondered if there's

Yeah. The the conservation the trust brought several of these forward, the Utah Agriculture Trust, which is a new trust, which is great to have the added capacity. And then there'd be a couple that I'm not sure.

Yeah. I think so too. Okay. Anything else?

K. Without