Logan-Cache Airport Authority Board 11-06-2025

We welcome you

to the meeting of the airport authority board. Here's this. Don't be afraid to bang it if you have to.

That's so unlike me.

You sometimes just have to do that. Everybody's so excited to be here. I know. It's like they haven't seen each other in months.

We'll begin by asking for a motion to approve the minutes from the October meeting as they have been provided.

I move to approve the minutes.

Is there a second? I'll second. It's been moved and seconded that we approve the minutes from the October 2

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a little further down the line. Let's go to manager's report. Morning, everybody.

Jean, you got that slideshow. We're gonna got a couple visuals here today to instead of me describing, hopefully, we can get a picture or two up here of what's been going on at the airport. In the meantime, we'll observe a moment of silence for the end of summer.

Snow plowing will come way too soon. I know. You're right.

That's okay. What are you looking for first? Financials?

No. I I sent her a separate about I sent her a report. We're gonna play.

Thanks.

Well, he's waiting, waiting for that executive Danes will be joining us shortly. He had a earlier meeting, and, Ryan Snow is out of the country at this time. So

Okay. She's got it. You're so awesome, Janine. Thank you. You can just go ahead and click through into the first one. Do you want me to click them? Of course, picture of our airport here. Yeah. That's from the abandoned runway looking back towards the airport. And anyway, go ahead and click to the next one. So this this is an overhead picture of the South Ramp. And the next picture will show as we click through a couple some of

the pavement that we had fixed. So here's one of the big cracks that's right in front of Joe Bates' hangar. I like saying Joe Bates. So every every meeting, I'll just say your name, Joe. That's right in front of Joe Bates' hangar, and that's been patched now.

Can we go ahead and click through again? Here's some of the cracks that we had, some of the condition that that south ramp was in that that old dry pavement there. You can see a crack forming down the middle. There's some big alligator cracks. Go ahead. And there you see where they they've started they came in and they filled cracks with that sealant. Go ahead. And then once all the cracks were filled, we did a top coat and they sealed the top of it. So that whole South ramp now Go ahead, Janine. Oh, wait. Why did I put that in there? That's pretty neat. That was just a cool airplane that landed one day and I put that in there. Go ahead.

Landing fees.

Yeah.

So here's another picture of, you know, just just the work that was done there on that South ramp. I just took a couple of pictures as they were working. There's that crack that's been removed, and and they put a patch in, and there's the finished work. There's that whole South ramp now has been crack sealed and top coated, which to my understanding hasn't been done in quite some time. So that's how it looks today. And oh, look at that. Another one. Now every time a helicopter lands and I hear it come, I'm out there taking a picture. It's just it's just it's still in it's still beats in my heart. So anyway, then another project that was completed this month between last meetings and this meetings was this is a PAPI control unit. And you'll see now that it's in the distance area. You'll see a little orange box. That is a PAPI light. And two years ago when we had our con had our airport inspection from the FAA, that control unit that's closer to you was right next to the orange box in the distance. And that's how it had been for years. And they said that that can't be there. That's in the non movement area. It's in the object free area. So we had to move that. You can see it's been moved. It's now just over 250 feet away from the center line. We had to be careful not to move it too far because the there's a there's a you didn't wanna have a power drop because of the distance that you traveled with the electricity. But anyway, that project has been completed. Brett, we're still waiting on a bill. Get that to us. We'll get you paid. This is the this is the south end you'll see in the distance there, EP systems and the and the the railroad or the the carnival ride there in the back. You can you can kind of reference where this is. And here's the one up at the north end. So here's the these are this is taken from the viewpoint of the PAPI boxes, and that's the control unit off in the distance. Same direction, that's the mountains to the east and then the runways to my back when I took that pictures. But those those have been completed. Now the the FAA has been notified. They're satisfied with where they are and the work that's been done. Airport Road. When you turn into when you turn into the airport from Airport Road, it's it's a tight road. If you're if there's a car in that right lane trying to turn left or right and you're on Airport Road trying to turn in, the tendency is to cut that corner a little bit and rightly so because we have bigger vehicles now and it takes more to turn. And so there's been this pothole developing and we filled it in a couple times and we finally decided let's fix it. So we did. We dug it out, made a form, and then we started mixing cement. There's Valerie mixing cement. There's Casey packing in. We put some wire down in there. We did it so it's not gonna crack, but here's the finished product. So now where that pothole used to be and alignment causing bumps used to be is is a nice smooth patch of concrete. So we're trying to make things nicer for people that come and go. We've so we've completed that. The next item is a video Janine's gonna show here off of YouTube. There's a grant that we submitted for and this will describe a little bit of this will give you an introduction, then I'll go on to describe a little bit more. Well, there no sound? So this is the electric airplane that flew in from back in March to our airport in and Beta, there's a good logo, produces plane. It's it's the first one that will likely be be certified. And Beta wants to be in Utah, and they want to provide an an air taxi between Logan and Salt Lake International, six to eight shuttles per day. And so the hit that guy there at the podium was describing recently they met with the state of Utah and the state of Utah has put together or authorized $2,000,000 worth of grant money to be disseminated to different airports to put in infrastructure for the charging capabilities of these airplanes. We have we submitted an application for that grant, and we've got several letters letters of support from it. And we we feel very comfortable in our plan, in the application, in our in our conversations, are not official conversations, but the conversations we've had with people, we think, we're in a good position to get some of that money to put in that charger. We do have phase three power at the airport, which is what they need. We have it near USU's main office. We would have to burrow or or cut through, however you do that, through the parking lot and get it across the fence. And so those are the plans that we have in place. We're just waiting to hear. December 1, we'll know they have the they have the applications. They're gonna be reviewed independently by the committee, and then they'll get together after Thanksgiving, talk about the applications. And then by December 1, they should notify or grant those who who who got the money. And so then it'll be a couple weeks of paperwork and whatever they do with shuffling the money around, then we can start using it and get get get that plan going. So we're hopeful that as our ALP has now been approved and we have other plans for growth and progress that this can be part of that, that if someone needs to fly to Salt Lake or go from Salt Lake, they can just jump on the on the taxi eventually. And now you're Salt Lake International in thirty five minutes instead of driving, parking your car. So

that's our report for the Does that help the university, Verint? Does that do anything for the university program at all?

This right here? That's just we just don't have the budget advance to to bridge the gap. It's it's another opportunity for pilots to work. Absolutely. You know? That's what I'm saying. So those those opportunities will be there, but as as a training program, that's Right. Not Mhmm. In the depth of this. But there's there's a Right. Opportunities once it's here. Opportunity for networking and pilot pilot advancement. Yeah. For sure. So,

John, once upon a time, did the EP systems come to us and want to put in a batter

That was in connection with Diamond Aircraft and the electrification of two of the d eight forties, I believe, And, the relationship between Diamond and EP systems is faded and so, yes. They did come and that was initially, that was part of the application that was made for the electric vehicle that we received funding for, which included a large vehicle charger, which was going to be adequate for those diamond aircraft. We still have the charger and if we're successful on this grant application for the electrification, the vehicle charger that we have will end up being an appendix to that. Oh. But currently, USU, APS, Diamond are not actively pursuing electrification.

I believe that's correct. Is that right? It's been delayed. Yeah. Okay. Right now it's trying to like this is my head from Yeah.

Yeah. We we have tentatively planned and because they wanted a plan for the application. We've tentatively planned to put it just on the others on the air side of the fence near the historic tower somewhere in that location. That is pretty close to phase three power. And then as John mentioned, we would then take the charger that we already have possession of from from the grant, place it on the parking side connected to the same transformer, and then people could charge from their their vehicles.

Credit card reader.

Thank you.

What other questions? We good? Okay.

Brett, to your question, when Beta showed up before the demonstration flight, they'd been in, last October, and they they met with some folks. There were four individuals from the university that were also present for that site visit and conversation. A couple of them, Pee Wee and I can't remember the other instructor, but they were just as interested to to learn where there might be opportunities for the university to have a a different curriculum track towards teaching the mechanics of although I feel like that's not the right word. We're dealing with electrical systems, the electrical kind of nature of these aircraft and how they differ from Randy Chesley are the maintenance individual. Thank you. And they had men probably the growth area is the maintenance and design of that. And then there are a couple of individuals from administration that would be understandably concerned with the budgetary and structure, elements if they had to build out such programs. And they seemed pretty energized by the conclusion of the meeting. So it seemed like it was very favorable.

Thank you.

Other questions or comments? Okay. Let's slip back to two b hanger site request. We have multiple requests. Craig, are you prepared to talk speak to your request?

Sure. Whatever you want me to do. Come forward and tell us.

And Craig's request is for sites representing four different entities on kilo, I believe. Yeah. It used to be India. That's right. But FAA won't let us use India. It's too much like a one. Yeah. We don't want that. So

a few years ago, worked with Judd, who I I'm not sure who who are you with now? Lochner. Lochner. Okay. Same people's everything. So we worked together to to design this and came up with a plan for some hangars. We made a proposal to the airport to actually go in and do kind of a public private partnership on building that out. And it just didn't work out. So at the time, we were, I guess the suggestion was to make a application and put some deposits down for some hangars. So we did. We have four different entities. And so we made an application for four different hangars at the time. 2023, does that sound right? And that, but anyway, and so now I understand there's funding for the development of that. And so I've reached out and made an application for four different hangars. Let's see which ones they are. I 2 which ones are they?

Yeah. I do.

This one? Yeah. It's I 2 I 2. 57 and

if this one is So I I 2, I 5, I 711, and those four. Yeah.

In terms of location for orientation, it would be just West of the existing gate. Right. The the space is parallel to the

entrance road. And they fall on the same, basically, the same design and everything that what, Judd and his team had designed a few years ago that's part of the airport plan. The, airport plan, I think, shows those as individual buildings, but in your narrative, you indicated you're willing to,

develop in connection with our request for zero lot lines.

Yeah. So, there's two of them that are next to each other that, show that they have a space. That's I two and I four and be happy to build both of those together and do a zero lot line on those. The other two, just because of the distance, we'd be happy to try to collapse those two together if we can. They are different depths, so it would be kind of dependent upon that. But our hangars that we have at other locations, for example, one in St. George, I measured, and they're five feet apart from one to the other. So they're pretty close to a zero lot line. Apart from one to the other. So they're pretty close to a zero lot line. We still did have to put firewalls in on those when we developed those. Happy to do that. But obviously, I understand the need to and the desire to maximize the space. And certainly, that's what we wanna do to do that. So be happy to work with the airport to figure out if, we can connect them as part of the construction or if we just have the minimum setbacks for the fire code within that.

So where do these requests I mean, again, we have a waiting list. We have request. How are these requests? Are they the top ones on the list?

That's right. Yeah. So we we actually started the waiting list. We were the first four applications on the waiting list is what they were. We did them with Jason Ryrie a few years ago. And that were the first four. That's what we figured we needed. And that was also in line with what we were trying to get when we when we worked with the airport to develop all this in the in the first place.

And can I just ask a question of Jud? So is is this appropriate with the master plan that we've just adopted?

Absolutely. This area is set aside for larger the corporate type hangars. The master plan shows individual buildings, but, again, that plan is a guide, not a blueprint. So it's the guide is saying, this is the location for larger hangars. This is the approximate size space available within a particular area. Doesn't necessarily matter if it's two one hundred by 100 buildings with 20 foot separation. I could just as easily be a two

Okay. Thank you. And from and from our perspective, we obviously recognize the value of real estate there. And so we we would like to obviously make them as large as we can and minimize the distance between them or even bring them both together if we can.

Craig, what's your timing?

So we would start building them as soon as we could. I believe that, I know in talking to Bob, that it looked like possibly the construction would start in the spring. And so for us, I mean, we'd be happy to work with Lochner and Judd and we'd like start as soon as feasibly possible on building those for sure. Judd, is that feasible

to start construction of a hangar before the taxi lane is in?

It would be feasible. Our recommendation would be the airport funded construction always takes priority because any private development is still happening on airport land. You are entering a contract with a contractor to build a taxi lane. They will obviously, the taxi lane may be this wide, but, obviously, trucks upgrading whatnot extends out including underneath the footprint of future buildings.

Yeah. No. No. I think it's fine. We're we're just happy to do. It's right there. Yeah. Near you. Yeah.

It's like yeah. So it it is theoretically possible to have coordinated construction happening. You would want that coordination to

You were saying, hypothetically, we we go that route, which you're recommending. What would Craig's realistic constructability time frame start? What what would you anticipate?

It it could be, like, to it very well could be corresponding at the same time because recognize that their construction is not going to be directly against your construction. A taxi lane will be this wide, and then there is space that's the driveway if The apron. Yeah. And then the city is located over in this direction. So a lot of times where you we're dealing with the coordination. It's all routes. It's construction area safety, drainage because drainage may be being developed off of a tax lane and for a period of time, the Indian runoff would go directly onto where their foundation might be going. Obviously, not in the long run, but during that construction, things are not at their complete. So like I said, it definitely can't be corresponded. I expect a construction springtime, and you know what that means here. It could be March. It could be June, you know, with depending on the snowfall. I I would anticipate construction starting to all kind of you know, that's Yeah.

Like you said, it depends when when we're thawed out and have the contract ready to go and start as soon as possible in the spring. So I would anticipate anywhere from March to April starting and then being paid out by we started in March, we paid down by

And we'd be happy anytime in that forty five day period. Because I recognize, I think at one point in time, we talked that there was gonna need to be a a kind of a cut probably for some of the ground to be able to backfill for for some of the under, you know, the base and and then that that's kind of a low spot. So probably where those hangar spots would go, there probably need be a Fair amount of underground you guys will have to Yeah, and there's underground and then that would also be a place for fill, fill that's be X'd out there that could be placed on those spots as well. So, yeah, for us, I mean, as long as we had just a general idea of what it would be, certainly we recognize it. And the nice thing is with that apron, we could start construction once maybe a certain point was reached, where maybe before it was paved and the majority of the construction was done and, you know, whatever it is, we're happy to work with. These guys have been wonderful to work with, by the way. And so, you know, since John as well. So yeah.

Okay. One caveat consideration is the item for discussion later and that is a improvement cost recovery program that exists in other airports in the state and we're looking at that, and we'll be discussing it here. K. So any approval that we give you today would be subject to the final determination

on that proposal. Right. Not familiar with those. We had that in Saint George when we built those hangars as well. So I had the same thing. So, yeah, obviously we're fine with that. And certainly we want our goal is we're fans of well run and great airports. And we see the direction of what's happening here. And so we're certainly a big fan of that and wanna just participate any way we can to be able to make this, you know, really help kind of the whole aviation community. So happy to do that. What's your anticipation to do them all at the same time, Craig? Or do Yeah. We'd probably I mean, just we we've we've got we've got aircraft to fill them. So we'd like to get going on them. Obviously, we would just, obviously we would stage them. And so we would have our construction crews, who's built multiple, come in, probably do all the foundations, the underground. It just makes sense to probably just do them all. We would, for economies of scale, we'd like to just put, you know, do all the order of all the buildings at the same time. And we've already got our processes that we've done with that. So it should be run fairly efficiently to be able get done and we can get them done pretty close from start to finish.

And your land lease would begin

upon approval. Yeah, that's great. We're happy to do that. And then as I understand, it would also pay we're happy to pay for land lease, similar to what we've done other where I think my current land lease is just for the space in which my hangar is on. That's what we've seen on the other locations is we actually pay for the entire site. I think that makes sense from an airport to be able to increase the revenue to be able to I mean, I'm happy to pay for the part that I'm actually using just in addition to just the place from where the building is. I think it makes a lot of sense to be able to increase the revenue for the airport as well. K. We'll let you work with

Bob at the appropriate time when they're putting together the lease what land you want for your use. K. Perfect. Yeah. Happy to do that. Working that's gonna be yours, then that certainly would be appropriate. K. Could Jed have another comment? I did have one additional.

So with the coordination, it's on Craig's belt with anywhere he's built, but, that area has been cleared environmentally associated with other projects. However, when an individual building gets, selected for construction, prior to construction, it has to have airspace approval specific to that individual building. Now we know for based off of the airport, master plan, those large buildings can go in that spot and they will be approved. But that doesn't mean the airspace approval doesn't have to happen. And that's about a ninety day. FAA has up to ninety days for airspace approval. Right now, because of the federal government, they are actually not accepting any applications for airspace approval in any airport in the country. They've been turning around forty five days, fifteen days, sixty days before the shutdown, but I can only assume it will be at least ninety days. So when an approval for a any building on the airport gets approved, getting that airspace going as soon as possible because and that can't even happen until the government opens back up. Good. That will be a component of getting

We were about sixty days on our other ones, I think. So and and and as we reached looked into that, they suggested we make the application as soon as soon as we get approval, we make the application because then if it's in the queue, so then Yeah. Right now But we're assuming the government will open back up at some point in time. And when they do at least back up, they will accept it, but we can't even submit Okay. To the, no e triple a website. Right? So you can't so may we get them prepped and then Get them prepped and ready to go, but they just I believe

some description of the property, the corners,

elevation, and those kinds of things go on that seventy four sixty form. Correct? With that one, it's not of the lot itself. It is the corners of the physical building itself. So when you're we've talked about, is it a 100 feet wide? Is it 200 feet wide? Is it 210? Those four corners and the maximum height of that building are what will go into that seventy four sixty. What we've seen so far is, hey, we won't accept anything right now.

And incidentally, Logan City won't consider a building permit request without a seventy four sixty in hand.

So as far as the design, I think we've we've obviously have kind of an issue with the fire and probably have to work with the fire marshal. So on that, happy to work with Bob and Judd and whoever to get those designs so we can get those building corners you know, figured out, and be happy to work with the building building department as well. K. Whatever we need.

Good that you'll be happy because you need to. Yeah.

Might as well might as well be happy about the things we have to do in life. Right? That's right. Yeah. Other questions, Craig?

Is there a motion that we approve this request subject to the outcome of our consideration of the cost recovery proposal?

I wonder if we wouldn't be better to make sure that he knows what the cost recovery cost is going to be before we approve it because that may influence his willingness to proceed

timely. But I think that's the only issue. Possibly could you approve it with the condition and then I could accept it or reject it

once that's approved? We best talk about the cost first. Okay. So you know what you're looking at. It's going to be substantial, Craig.

Okay. All aviation is substantial cost. Agreed.

Agreed.

But exactly, we can make that decision fairly quick for the next meeting, and so that I don't know that it'll hold you up a whole lot. Okay. I'm dealing with the FAA right now in another building I'm building, and they're not taking any those applications. But

May maybe maybe we could if we have the some preliminary approval, then at least we would be able to work on the design of of kind of the location so we can get the building quarters and the elevations. I'm I'm not suggesting that we not do that,

in this meeting. I think we could approve you subject to that, but I think it would be best to have that discussion in this meeting. But then after that, I think we could entertain again approving it subject to that being finalized. Sure. Happy to do that. I do think it's important that you get your application into the feds and get in the queue as soon as we can get you in there. K. Perfect. So we would come back to that later in this meeting is what I would suggest.

K.

K. Any other questions for me?

Great. K. Thank you. Thank you. We'll revisit your request. Blake, Kyle, who's up? This is for four hangar four hangars in two buildings on Taxiway Lima and will include the construction of the taxi lane in between those hangars. Correct. Did I summarize that accurately?

Yes.

K. Tell us what you would like to do.

Kyle Fisher. Kyle Fisher. Yeah. So we just like to get approved to, I guess, start the process, getting all the engineering, working with FAA to make sure everything's approved in the airport master plan in accordance to that just so we can really start all the paperwork and get ready to start digging whenever we can. Some weather and, you know, like we talked about just earlier, the mud and everything out there, it takes a long time to to dry out.

May I ask the same question I did earlier? How does this request how is it on the waiting list?

Yes. We have all four of our requests

are on the waiting list. Are they kind of the next ones up after the four that Craig mentioned? They vary. There's some, like, number six,

twelve. It kind of varies throughout.

So how do we how do we handle that? Again, I thought we were gonna kind of go down. I mean, is it honestly, they're ready to do a project. So All of the people on the list received the same

email asking them if they were prepared to move ahead to submit their request for consideration in this meeting. Perfect. So everyone was notified. Only these two entities responded.

That's what I needed to know. Thank you.

The notification was what? Last it was Thursday?

So you're in set in essence saying that we're gonna get leapfrogged.

I didn't say that. I say we I said that, I

Okay. So that that's my concern, I guess. I mean You

got a missed call from this.

Is, you know, are we proceeding appropriately with the waiting list? We instituted that for fairness. Again

I I would absolutely say that it's not been. If that's the case, this leapfrogs ahead because I've been in contact with six other people.

Where are you on the list? You're doing like 15.

No. So maybe I have any contact with all these people and So

so So maybe we need to give it some additional time if people feel like they didn't get messages or again, do we I mean, do we have a protocol written down as far as how notification is, how long people are notified? I mean, that that may have been followed. I mean

We need to tighten that up, mayor. We those process procedures, you know, I hear Andy's frustration. I I'm sensitive to that. We just need to make sure we've got a very clear process. There are different size hangers. You're gonna have that issue. Right. And we also, in fairness to you, just like we did with mister Adams, there are going to be some additional fees. We wanna make sure you understand what they are. And airport's a critical piece, and we're running out of we will no longer have FAA funding for the taxi lanes. Yeah. That's a new world for us to go in. So we've got to figure it out. In particular to the area you guys are looking at, if you say, hey, we just wanna do those two buildings, So we'll deal with the taxi lane cost up to that point. That puts the burden on the airport. We're not going to do just a short taxi lane. We need to do the whole thing. So we've got to figure out how are we going to get that funding? And we just need to talk through those costs and have you guys be very well aware of what we're thinking, what we're looking at, just like mister Adams, so that we're all on the same page. We're not hiding anything. We can all work together and make the airport run Yeah. The very best it can, and accommodate aviation, and make sure we can get the the hangars that are being requested.

Alright. So this our our proposal too is bringing the infrastructure and paying for the taxi lane still. We submitted four separate applications of people that are on the list, and the idea is really just to lessen that burden. But as far as I understand, the the airport wouldn't be this isn't an FAA funded or it would just be funded by the by the You can fund the whole taxi lane? No. But I mean, to that point though, what we could do is we'd be happy to coordinate with with You're you're going down exactly the discussions and and conversations. And I guess what I'm trying to say is it doesn't influence moving forward. Basically, if Corey and Andy wanted to join that party, it just lessens the burden of infrastructure on everybody. And so we're happy to coordinate, but the issue that comes into play is you're not gonna have nine large corporate hangars or 10 or 12 or 14 that are gonna be demanded or built at once. And so I think that's the hurdle that we need to overcome. And so, yeah, we'll gather as many people to join as possible to to lessen that burden, and maybe we can figure something out there. But you're I mean, you're right. If you want the taxiway built out Mhmm. Yeah. To to Alex's point,

only large hangars can be built on this taxi lane. Yeah. The the bottom eight on the list, we're talking 50 by 50. They wouldn't be given permission to build on that tacky lane.

And I would I would ask too is could we do a temporary turnout or access in the meantime? Would that entail more hangars? Because look, I just don't I don't know when that day that corporate more corporate hangars will be in demand. What do you mean turnout? I'm just saying if we if we could complete that portion of the of the runway, we'd basically just stub and prep for the next, but then we stub and prep for the next, but then we just create an access road on the backside or

You mean for for fire or whatever. Vehicles or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. You're gonna have to have some kind of vehicle access because you won't be able to access from the air side. Yeah.

I mean, what's a good way to proceed? Do we we ask Bob to sort of host a meeting at the airport among all interested parties and, you know, work on things a little more? I mean, maybe folks can share the cost and the taxiway can get billed. I mean

Well, there are no other requests for this size hangar.

The other option is I I think that we could get at least these four and probably Corey and Andy if they wanted to join that as well to say, look, we'll bear the burden of extending that taxiway, but we just wanna be compensated down the road to connect just like the airport's getting compensated per foot or whatever that that new proposal is that I see on there. I think that's great as long as there as there could be an agreement. It's just fronting that cost without any promise of future getting paid back. It's just it's hard to do. So but if we're open to solutions and we're anxious to move forward, We're just gonna keep showing up every meeting

till we figure this out. So I mean, what size of hanger are you looking for? Oh, probably like a 60 by 60 or 60 by 80. Corey, what about you? Same?

They they don't fit in them.

They don't fit this master plan though on that runway. I mean, would you guys be interested in as long as it's a 100 foot deep and then 50 foot wide and you guys split one?

We we love to do with what we gotta do. Just get in?

That way we could painful. Yeah. We could meet the master plan on paper, but you're gonna have smaller aircraft in those hangars. But we could keep the building depth and size. So Mhmm. Your master plan looks the same, taxiway is the same size, but you're gonna have to condo those hangers separately to accommodate the market. And so I think that was our actually initial proposal, and the concern was that it didn't meet the master plan. So we're now we're saying, hey, we're meeting the master plan.

But we just we gotta figure out a solution and move forward if we can. Yeah. It sounds like we need a pro a better process for noticing and also a mechanism for collaboration and potentially joint application.

Sure. I think what I would propose is, Bob, we need to go through the list. I I'm just looking at that list real quick. Steven Anderson's still on there. Mhmm. And he's passed away. I don't know what happens when to to your point, we've got a lot of unknowns. How does that work? And we probably ought to clean up that list, get with all the interested parties, find out. And I know you sent that email out, but we to do that one more run, and I'm happy to help you with that process. And we sit down with the owners. Because what I'd like to do, instead of just doing one taxi lane that takes care of all the big airplanes, I really wanna make sure a 55 60 by 60, whatever, those things, we've got some pathway forward, for the them as well.

And I We had a proposal from, Andy and, that they would extend the taxiway on Delta for those 50 by fifty and sixty by sixties. And they would fund the taxi lane and be reimbursed for their investment. So I've I was a little surprised at your reaction at this meeting thinking that you had been leapfrogged because you'd never talked to anybody about building over on Lima.

I'm just saying the way I took it and tell me if I took it wrong was that it was basically moving people ahead if they have to respond to the email. Did I take that wrong?

Did I have an interface? Did I did I misunderstand that? I I think, Andy, what you're saying is I could see how you could interpret that. I think the con comment from Bob was more, I've sent it out. They didn't respond, so I don't think they're interested.

Well, my apologies if I misunderstood from writing. Yeah. I I think that

Bob, correct me if I'm wrong.

Oh, yeah. I'm I'm sorry. I was actually taking notes here. But That's it. The intent. I knew that I knew that, Andy and Corey wanted to develop Delta. And so, we've talked informally about that. Okay. And I thought when they didn't respond, they weren't ready to move forward or go ever. But it it it doesn't mean we've been probed them. It means that they were in my opinion, they were

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I I all I'm trying to I'm trying to state his name too. Andy Checketts. Thank you. All I'm trying to state I support these guys. I want you to understand that. I've been in simple process, we're polluting the process and make it difficult to get something to prove. So I can call Brigham City. I've been in contact with them multiple times. The way it works over there is they say, Hey, we have this ground available. We will write a construction agreement. You're responsible for the taxiway and the infrastructure in front of your hanger with the ability for somebody else to attach for a future. And it's that simple. You come in, you get a process, you show them your plans, and you get to build a hanger. I I call them and in three days, I've got that answer versus multiple meetings here. I don't know why it's so hard. And I'm not trying to be a jerk. I just don't understand why we're making the process so hard. And so, let's say these guys wanna build commercial or or larger airplane. Let's build it. Let's say, hey, we've got the demand. Let's get the tax money. Let's get a free taxiway. I mean, at the end of the day, if you're getting, you know, 400 feet worth of taxiway for free, is that easier than going and getting And I'm just stating the fact, and tell me if I'm wrong, but that seems easier to me. And so let's, let's take the, let's get in these guys' and let's get in Craig's pocket. Let's take I mean, especially we really need to take Craig's money, right? And so, Craig. We really need to take Craig's money. Right? And so let's make them put the taxiway in, sewer, water, power, and let's it it should be that simple.

Andy, the issue has been that before we have had a taxi lane that's been built by the government. And so we're transitioning from a situation where you you didn't have to pay for the taxi lane or taxi way. You just had to build your hanger on an existing. So that's that's the delay that we're having. And that's the next item on the agenda is to talk through that. But what you're saying is exactly what we're trying to do is make it as simple as you describe. But the new element to construction at our airport has to recognize a cost for the taxi lane.

I I appreciate that. That's the only thing that I I understand that, but tell me, is Brigham City smarter than us?

They're ahead of us.

I I mean, I'm just stating the fact, like, why does it have to be so difficult? But I don't know whether they have ever had FAA money to

They have. They have.

It's just the section you chose you you choose to do. This is what we do in development in every city municipality is we get to go bring all the roads and water and pay for that, and we provide homes that are commercial buildings, and then the city takes over that infrastructure. But it really is a consistent process that and I I think that's what the frustration is is

And I'm not trying to be defiant or combative. I'm just saying, why are we making the process hard?

We're we're trying to make the process simpler by coming up with a standard so that everyone pays for their taxiway or their taxi lane, and at the same time, we're generating enough money so that we can do it efficiently rather than 50 feet at a time. So And and I can appreciate that. That's the purpose of this meeting. Once this is resolved, we should be as easy as you've described Brigham City.

That's our goal. And so what be what becomes the correct distance then? Like, what are we opposed to? Are we opposed to 400 feet at a time? Are we opposed to a 100 feet at a time? I'm just trying to set a parameter. About that. Yeah.

I mean, I'd I'd imagine We're saying, hey. If they're going to mobilize, and this is where we need JUB to advise us and help us to know. It doesn't make a ton of sense to do a little bit at a time. And then we need to figure out if the county has the money and the city has the money and appetite to say, well, let's finish the rest of that up. We're we're navigating through some other issues that So I guess we love donations in our world. Right? Right? We love free.

If you've got private individuals coming to this government entity and saying, we want to give this to you. As long as it's built to standards, so it's acceptable. Which it would be because they're gonna come in and it's gonna be done by a civil engineering group and they're gonna build it. You know, they're gonna say, hey, what's the specification? We need to you know, this taxiway is gonna have, you know, heavy aircraft on it. You know, whatever. It it's gonna be done correctly for sure. I'm just saying you've got groups of people that are willing to to give something for free. Obviously, they want something in return.

And and to your point, I appreciate what you're saying. And I think we're all on the same. We just had a lot of different things come up. The developers say, hey, I wanna develop 16. You've got Forge saying, I wanna do 16 hangers all at the same time. We've got individuals saying, I wanna build my own hanger. I don't need someone to build for me. Then I have other people saying, I just need a hanger quick. And then with the FAA funding drying up, we've got a lot of decisions, Andy. We just wanna make sure we're doing it right. We're not trying to frustrate anyone. I I sense your frustration, and I appreciate it. And yet we got a chance to do it right, so we're not constantly changing. We we just wanna make the right decisions. And so the goal is before you leave, I'm gonna get Craig's money, and who else's money was I supposed to get? These two guys. I mean, I get in their I mean, I'm just saying get in their pocket. You know? Like, I don't understand. We we are not foolish. We do not wanna overlook that. We want them at Logan. We want them at LGU. We just wanna do it right. And so I'm sorry to chime in here, guys. But

we're happy to coordinate and sit down with the board. Like, if that will help, we'll bring we'll bring code and process and, like, we can look at other airports, what they do. We'll bring all that to the table. We just wanna roll forward because we're this is our, we're on month three now and there's still no process. And I know it sounds like you're gonna, I read through the media packet. Looks like there's some proposals, but I don't know if those apply to private funding either or just FAA. But I I guess we'll dive into that. But just that door is open. Please, like, I think all of us are on the same page as you have to coordinate collaborate with you. So can't can't disagree with you. Thanks for your time, guys.

You guys need anything else?

Any further questions about Lima at this point? Okay. Thanks. It seems appropriate that we talk about this cost recovery proposal. We'll put it up on the board. Some of you will have seen this. Others will they will not have seen it. There are several airports. Craig indicated that Saint George does something similar, but let me read the proposal. Refined to that, Jadine. Yep. It's coming. Logan Cash Airport has a limited resource and space available to build hangars on existing taxi lanes. Limited to a portion of EXO of echo and next year kilo. The FAA is no longer providing grants for taxi lanes, therefore, they must be funded locally. There is a waiting list for approximately 18 Hagar sites for which deposits have been taken. It is proposed that in order to perpetuate the development of future taxi lanes that an impact fee be instituted on all hangars built on existing taxi lanes. For example, group one taxi lane, echo, each hangar would pay the airport a thousand dollar cost recovery fee. For group two taxis, such as kilo, 2,000 feet per foot of hangar would be paid. Further, hangars with access to sewer water will pay an additional $2,000 fee. Estates constructing hangars without existing taxi lanes will be exempt from the cost recovery charge, but will need to construct the taxi lane in front of their hangar. That's similar to what Andy was describing. Connecting to an existing taxi lane. The new taxi lane will need to be constructed to FAA specifications per the current airport layout plan. Size drift deposits will have first priority for a designated period at which time, the lease will need to be initiated and constructed and begun within one year.

Let me just make a couple of comments. We're not gonna use the word impact fee. The the term impact fee has some defined rules with respect to subdivisions and things, and it just will cloud up what we're trying to do. What our goal here is to have the individuals who use the hanger pay a sufficient amount to reimburse either the cost of the existing taxi lane or to install a taxi lane. We we estimated this, and that's where the numbers come from. I think you need to understand that all we're talking about is a recovery of cost. We're not trying to make money building taxi lanes, but we are trying to recover the cost of the taxi lanes. So when we have an existing taxi lane, that would be the goal to recover the cost of that and then apply that to the building of new taxi lanes. And then when those hangars go on those new taxi lane, we recover it. So essentially, we're rolling the money to create a fund to build new taxi lanes or taxiways. The the project that was just up is building a taxi lane. So they come under that clause that describes that they're gonna build the taxi lane that's in front of them. So they don't come into this fee at all. But what we're probably gonna want them to do is we're gonna want them to give us a price per foot to make the taxi lane longer, and then we're talking about funding that from airport funds so that they could extend the land further. Again, doing what's economic rather than having slices of each taxi lane built. So that's that's what our thought is here. It's hard to just say frontage foot because some of the taxi lanes will have hangers on both sides. Some will only have hangers on one side given the configuration. So I think we we probably need to build in a system that that takes that into account by just taking a look at the physical situation we're in, Andy, on each one and making a computation of what it's gonna cost and then putting that in. Like I say, these are estimates, and they may be high or they may be low depending on what's happening. I mean, obviously, the most efficient situation is hangers on both sides on a straight taxi lane, but when it bends or or anything, you have other issues.

Can but so this proposal for existing taxi lanes that were partially paid for by the FAA, does that conflict at all with FAA

funding? No. Does not appear to. Okay. As as long as the as long as the money taken from them that is reinvested in airport capital improvements. Okay.

And is there any I know that, you know, this is supposed to create money for us to build further taxi lanes, but what about the repair and maintenance of those taxi lanes that have been built by by a developer or built by us? How do we handle that? Is that included in their site rent? How do how have we computed that in the past? Their site rent would be used as

presently is the case.

Okay. And that's been adequate to maintain?

Yes.

I can't understand what we're doing, Jeanne. We're trying to roll the money to keep the taxi lanes ahead, and I think that's what makes sense long term for the development of the airport. K.

How did we come up with the estimates?

We worked with Lochner on the cost, and they based on their experience at other airports and, the engineering estimate for specifically for what kilo was going to cost. The and that $2,000 per running foot for the tax lane does not include any undergrounds. And so that has to get factored in with open spaces and whether it's Seagull side or both sides.

Mhmm.

Hey. Yeah. That was gonna be another question is when there are two, the does the cost split, or do we figure that out at the time?

We, Judd, you were gonna say something out loud? Yeah. I was gonna say, those numbers are reflecting the cost of those numbers are reflecting the cost of the construction. But, yeah, for splitting it both sides, that's I mean, all we can basically say is here was here's what it's costing to build taxi lanes in today's world. Okay. And that's roughly what those you know, obviously, it may be plus or minus dollars.

Thanks. They how we it it answered your question. We probably have to come up with a way that's fair and a person doesn't get punished because they happen to be building on a site that is single loaded. He doesn't have a hanger on the other side of him.

Yeah. On the other facing him. So a question kind of along with that question is, do we charge the same fee for someone that's taking something existing versus building something new? Because the existing, obviously, isn't of the same quality as the the existing

Again, I I think that what we should do as best we can is determine what our actual costs are, and try and defray our actual cost rather than come up with too much of an arbitrary number. But the idea is is is we're gonna be able to do this real simply with kilo, because it's new construction. It's double loaded, and it's going right straight. But when you look at some of these others, Lima, for example, it it bends. It's the other way around, but yes. Okay. It's the other way around. Okay. He's still learning the alphabet. Yeah. I am still learning my alphabet. But but the idea, Keegan, I think, would be to look at each each one individually with what our cost are there and and just put numbers on it. But the numbers would always come back to what the cost actually is. Right. And the the the proponent would know that before they get into it. I guess we would provide those estimates prior. Prior. Well, that that's why I suggest that mister Adams listen to this before we get too far because if if he knows we're gonna be fair about what it cost, and we may very well use the the contractor that he's chosen to do additional, space on the length. So it it should all pan out. K.

Another question is, do we wanna include some provision of how often these numbers will be reassessed? Or does Well, I I think we do it

based upon a bid.

Okay. Every every single fully it's good for as long as the bid is good. So it's so this, we just need to not an exact amount.

Do a CPI per se. I think what what we would do, correct me if I'm wrong, John, is we would take the bid amount, and it would last as long as the bid And if we build it, it would then be the numbers.

I agree. Yeah. Okay.

So it could take

over a year in some cases. Right? Right. And and we're we're guessing what the contract is going to be, and sometimes it's gonna be an extra. But it's gonna be refined as to what the number is. And then someone who want to build, help me with the alphabet, you know, on on l. What is yours? Is it It's Lima. Yeah. It's Lima? On Lima,

they're going to give us a This guy really wants to say something.

I just I don't wanna head too far down that I don't wanna head too far down that path of getting this number because Lima's cost is gonna be substantially different depending on engineering and everything else. And then I'm just gonna be frank with you. I don't trust that the county or this entity, whether The airport authority. The airport authority is gonna get this done in an efficient manner. I my concern is that you guys are gonna get a cost and you're gonna go off these bids and then all of a sudden, it's you're gonna have to submit RFPs and then we're gonna be two years

and Andy's gonna be in Brigham City. So That's that's sort of what I was getting at is if each time it's treated as its own unique snowflake, this is gonna I mean, we're already slow to move, and I don't I just

I'm not talking about the county building. I'm not talking about the county building the Okay. We're getting the estimates. Right? Well, you're you're coming to us and saying you're gonna build it. Yeah. So what we're gonna say is that's terrific. What are your cost? You're gonna say it's so much afoot, and then we're going to say to you, build another 300 feet. Okay. At your cost Yeah. Build another 300 feet. So that then becomes the number that we use. I displace the private parties from building the taxiways

because you can do it better than we can. Yeah. Okay. As I and I appreciate that. Because that's true. We can do you know, we can do it cheaper and more efficiently. In And and the government? Yeah. But,

Alex, the the point is is your numbers will define Yeah. What people pay on that taxiway. Now if someone comes in and says, oh, you're padding it too much,

we'll have have to take a look at that. Yeah. And we could do three bids and do that process too. But Yeah. See, that's the kind of stuff I'd like to include is, you know, is there a comparison? Is there Right. Because if we're just relying on the person whose primary interest is to get the best deal, just trust us. I think not that people aren't trustworthy here, but I think that's setting us ourselves up for something we don't wanna do. I think that's what we do, Keegan. But

essentially, there when we look at that, that defines a price that we know we've got the road built for. And frankly, we'll probably bring the contract or the taxiway in here and and have a public hearing. Anybody disagree that this is the fair value for the taxiway?

And and I just comment two things. One is every single individual taxiway is gonna be substantially different. I shouldn't say substantially, but you don't know what you're gonna run into. Will you run into ground water over here or whatever else? There's mitigation there. So there there's that. And then, the way that we're coordinating this is we actually are gonna do the horizontal development separately, and Kyle is handling the vertical development. And so we'll just be over the taxiway and the infrastructure, and we'll have an exact price of that. And then we just distribute it evenly among those hangar owners and the number of hangars on that runway. So we we can do this, George. I I think I'm clear more clear on what you're saying.

K. Greg?

Since, I already went through the process of all this a couple years ago, I thought maybe I'd just add some clarification. So when we worked with Armstrong at the time, Lochner now, we we wanted to figure out, cause originally our proposal was we were gonna go in and we were gonna provide all the infrastructure for the airport, if you remember. So we actually just had three bids, right? And I think it's really not that complicated. Pretty much it's paved in gold. Right? Because the asphalt is a very it has to have a different quality. Right? So there's only certain people. But the you you get the you get the price for what it takes to do the excavation for the because we're only talking about, really, the taxi lane. Right? And so we went in and got three bids. There was a substantial price difference between the three, I think. I can't remember which which contractor it was that came in less. But there was a there was a 100,000 or so thousand dollar difference between one of the three. But really, it's it's it's really just the asphalt piece within it. And so I really think from my perspective, if we just have that general thought, and I think from where I'm at is we are willing to do that the first time. But if there would just be some ability to just maybe true that up, if there was like, if it's $2,000. For example, a hundred hundred foot wide, hanger that I want, it just adds $200,000 more of cost, which I understand is basically trying to recoup that, right? So, now what we've done is we've just increased the value of the hangars in in Logan and who can participate and who can do that. But but you're you're also deferring the cost and allowing for future growth within that. So, my numbers that I had, 2,000 was and and obviously times have changed, but $2,000 a foot, linear foot was high. Right? All I would just say is if it if it came and there was a bid process, I think it can handle be handled quick. If it's less, I'd just like to see an adjustment come down off that. Yeah.

And and to that point, Craig, you'll notice in what John put up for discussion is you're either these rates Mhmm. Or I would see most people saying, look, I'll

I'll get my own cost. Yeah. Right. And in fact, I think that if if someone wants to build it themselves, that's actually more simple for us because they're taking care of it. They're dealing with all that. I think where it becomes a little more complex is when we're charging someone for an existing and trying to price that out equitably.

And and I think I think, for example, on this on on kilo, I think it's already designed. It's already it's already been through the mass you know, the the process. It's we already know what has to go there. So it's pretty easy to go in and get three bids. And I think on that, I think my opinion is I think that's best operated by the airport. Right? But I think if all of a sudden you've got somebody who wants to do a completely different non funded, and they wanna do the entire, you know, wanna do the entire taxi lane and do development with it. I think that makes sense, but I think in this particular one, I think it makes sense to do this one as the airport where you have different people, and then and then you could take each one on a on a case by case basis. Yeah. It's got a band in it. Mhmm. And so the there's there's portions of it that we we really won't get anyone buying a front foot on a on a corner. So

if we take the total cost of building that in a portion or amongst the users of it, then it will be a number we can give you and so on. Yep. And essentially, what we we do is provide an estimate to you. And then we go out and get a bid. And once we got a bid

It can be adjusted. Yeah. And I see what you're trying to do. You're trying to be able to secure future growth to be able to continue to expand the airport. And as much as I don't like the idea of of a 100 foot wide hangar costing another up to $200,000 I also see the fact that that's the only way for future growth to be able to continue to move forward. And I think the only thing that I would ask is just make sure that's reflected in making sure that the lease is long enough to be able to, with the airport, be able to absorb that impact fee.

Craig, that might be 2,000. It might also be $1,532

Correct. Correct. That's all I'm saying is I I agree with that, George, that yeah. So if if it's like, this is just an estimate, this is the pathway we're gonna do. But like I say, where I've already gone, and it's been two or three years, I don't think asphalt prices on some of our projects have gone up that much. But I think I see where the direction where you're going, but I think for this for this public forum, I think from what I've seen, the cost seem to be less than that.

As long as that was be able to be reflected, it could come back down. I think it helps. For this meeting, George yesterday, we had a meeting. George says, get ready. They're gonna dispute those amounts. So thank you for your You're welcome. I did it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Unscripted. You did it.

Craig, before you leave. Yep. With this information, what would you ask us to do regarding your earlier request?

Yeah. I'd ask you to approve them.

Motion made.

Yeah.

So you approve it? I'm I'm making a motion to approve that. Okay. Is there Subject to your agreeing to the Mhmm. Arrangements on the Mhmm. Cop, the taxi way. Right? Is there a second?

Second. It's been moved in second. We approved mister Anderson's request for the buildings on Taxi Lane Kilo. All of favor say I'll just have a discussion

first. So do we need to formally adopt the taxi lane? I mean, he's verbally agreed to that and I assume there will be a contract that follows, but I'm wondering if we just if we need to adopt that policy The motion was subject to

his accepting whatever we come up with.

Okay. Even if we don't have that policy in place. Okay. I guess if he's okay with The the the benefit that I have is I actually understand what the costs are because I've been through this. Yeah. And

it it purposely, we're not going to call for a motion on that cost recovery proposal because there are a number of unanswered imponderables that we need to consider as a group individually and as a group that we would formally consider that for approval in the next meeting.

That's what I was gonna ask. It's just the time frame of expiration of Yep. This is there a statute of limitations on when we can approve that or not? I mean, just so it gives us some urgency to come up with this. Well,

there's significant urgency because we've got a number of people that are wanting to move ahead. And Right. We've never we've never had to deal with this before. Usually, it's onesie twosie. You know? I want one, and six months later, somebody else comes forward, and there's no no discussion about who's first.

And also the taxi lane financing has changed. So that's Yeah. And and just to reiterate, his

folks were first in the queue, so that doesn't create any heartburn with leapfrogging anymore. Okay.

Yeah. K. I'm ready to go. Further discussion.

You restate the motion?

The motion is that it be approved subject to an additional agreement involving the cost of the taxi lane as determined subsequently. A subsequent condition to the approval. With the expectation that the proponent would bear the cost? The if if the proponent is agreeing to bear the cost. Yep.

Is that consistent with your second? Yes. Further discussion. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

K. Thank you. One other offer too is Kevin Allen, who's my attorney. I'm sure he'd be happy to help facilitate an agreement. I know you know him well. Thank you.

Alex, how would you like us to respond to your request?

In in your case, the the one you're going to build your own, so we we don't have that same condition with you, but we would like as a condition that you obtain a separate bid for the taxi lane and give us the opportunity to use that contractor to same price that you're given.

Now, again, sorry. So was their position on the waiting list appropriate or on that on that particular taxiway? Large hangar. Okay. No one else is because no one Craig was on the large hangar list. So you're also on the large hangar list. You're gonna condominiumize them, but you're still on that. So we're we're not leapfrogging anyone that's gonna be unhappy on that one. I know Craig was in line first. Yeah. It's not clear to me could you remind me where you said you were on the list? There's multiple. So there I think there's there's one that's six and there's one that's 12. But but I would say this, that that cost will stay the same. So these four hangers, if we say if

when we'll work together with Bob and and the engineers and and the board, but let's say there's 14 hangers on there, we'll get this we'll obtain this bid to complete it. That bid will be divided amongst 14 units, and it'll be set. And so if anyone wants to join at any given time, they'll know that fee, and they can join at any time the process and build their own hangar. And they'll they'll know exactly where they stand. Yeah. I just don't want people to feel like we've

abandoned our waiting list and, you know, been inappropriate that way or people kind of okay with that given the provisions with

financing the taxi way taxi lane? Sorry. Do you wanna invite people who voiced concerns previously to

Any? Are we Well, I don't wanna, I don't know if you make a motion on us yet, but.

Andy, check it again. I'd just like to say I'm, I'm more than happy to see the approval. Can we just take of all groups of the hierarchy here? If we're gonna build the big hangars, you know, Corey and I made a proposal. I mean, I at least I'd love to get an approval to move forward to get some exact numbers for the general guys that are flying these smaller planes. I've like I say, I've made it I've I've made it a point to talk to many of these guys as I'm at the airport. You know, hey. What do we need to do? So I'd like to say approve us as well, so we can get the small small TA guys to move forward. So, Andy,

with respect to yours, we're going to have to come up with a number on those lanes, and it will be specific to where those units go.

Because we we would come in, and we'd figure out a price to build the taxiway and everything.

Yeah. Same same system exactly for you, but these two have responded. Tax we'll try and have an estimate to you before the next meeting as to what

what that is. If you're going to build your own So what I guess I need to clarify. When you're saying an estimate, if we're if they're gonna build their own lane Then we don't have that problem. We would be building our own. No. You're building your own,

site. Perfect. And and you'd be ready to go just like they're being ready to go. But wouldn't you want the estimate

for extension of that taxi lane? Same same arrangement that we're doing with Alex. And it would be very easy to say. It does. Yeah. It it's very, very simple. I can say, hey. Here's our cost for full infrastructure. Sewer, water, power, road, or taxiway at this point. This is our per foot.

We connect you you know, if the airport wants to jump on board, all the better. So, yeah, my only hesitation here is I'm still not confident everyone was noticed and that everyone

who I I will who is in the queue is here today to speak to that. That's why I said, I think Bob needs to go through that list and touch base with each one of them Right. To see their role in 10. And and Andy's going to come back. We're not gonna approve

Andy's deals today. I know. And in the interim, Bob is going to to notify them what our policy is, and then we'll take them in the order in which they're on the list. Right. What I would commit to do is I'll I'll get with Bob, and I'll figure out the smaller

guys, and we'll figure out a list. And I can I can contact all those guys and say, hey, this is what it's gonna cost for the taxiway in front of your hangar? Are you ready to move forward? And I'll gladly, 100% jump in and and help with that and say, here's our estimates. Here's what it's gonna cost you to move forward. If you wanna move forward, Bob can say, hey, you're you're there. If not, we're going to bump you behind until you are. Andy, if they don't want to move forward, we're going to take them off the list. Absolutely. Because it was a non refundable. I mean, I think I gave a thousand bucks year and a half ago. The 500? Okay. I couldn't remember.

But anyway, I'm glad to help with that. So the the only caveat I would make and, Judd, I'm looking to you. In the master plan, it shows when you come over kilo, where Craig's going or contemplating going, there are four hanger sizes down on that existing taxi lane. You know where I'm referring?

It is currently I think I actuality, if you continue going straight, after you go through the gate Mhmm. You go straight, and then you end up on taxi lane echo. There are four hangers that are small g a like, 50 by fifty, fifty by 48. I can't remember what the examples are in the plan.

Would anything like that work for you? Because the only caveat I would say is if if the urgency is to get you a hanger, that is the quickest place to go. Then we've got to figure out, okay, what is the cost of that taxi lane? And we'll have to work through that. But And is that an existing taxi lane? It's an existing taxi lane. It sounds like regardless whether something is built on the future, on existing or future construct by someone else. So that that could help us. Expensive location. It faces

Scotch fuel tank.

Yes. Okay.

So it'd be on the right hand side, it was

Mhmm. Right at the end of the field, basically. So go out with Bob. Okay. He'll show you where those are and what side we'll look at get the master plan and see what size of hangers can go there, and that may be a good option. Okay. Alright. Alright. Thanks.

That's true. The motion still on the table, I think.

Did someone make a motion?

I will move that we approve the

what? Black River, Black Bridge. Black.

With the Lima proposal is that we would move to approve that subject to a condition subsequent that you itemize, that you put in your own taxiway lane, and that we have the option to extend at the same price that hangar.

And all underground infrastructure.

And underground.

Is there a second?

I'll second that.

K. For discussion, do we feel like we resolved the queue, and people feel that it's equitable?

Again, they were six and twelve, and I mean, so do we again, I mean, it could be an advantage if we get the taxi lane extended, then other people could build.

And then also reach out to any other people that want to do the same thing

as they do with the smaller meters?

I I guess my concern is just is there someone who's not even here that's gonna read this approval later and say, I didn't even see the email. I didn't even know. I could have applied, and I'm I'm number five on the list.

I have number five and seven. Why did that happen? I think Craig has five. But I don't know. Two five five. What size the hangers are requested on the list? You know what I'm saying? Or do we just have a list? Application.

I have the size, but I don't have that

Okay. My anticipation is that they're not large hangars.

So they wouldn't qualify for this anyway. Can anyone validate that?

Well, Bob can, but he doesn't have that information with them. I know the majority motion on the floor. So majority of the of the wait list

people want smaller hangers. Okay. Yeah. But I don't have the exact numbers with that. Large hangers that are in the queue before

the Black River.

Like a five to seven. Pulled up. I wrote it down. Did you? Okay. Could we invite this gentleman to

Yeah. If you don't mind. Thanks, Scott. Yeah. So besides

Craig Adams with the hun like, on yours, I think he just has a 125 by 75. I'm sure it's spread out through a couple. But then the next one is Bryant White who's one on my proposed list. And down from there, it's all It's all small? It's all all small. So it's all below that. So you just gave us five and six, the two that you read off? So this is actually

let me look. Where is Craig? Right. Yeah. One You guys said you had six and twelve.

So it is So you said number five is actually part of your group? No. Actually, I I was just kinda guessing off that. Now that I pull it up, we have 10111718 for the four. And so there are two, a Jay Jenkins and a Nick Alley are the only ones that would be also want a bigger hanger.

Okay. So we don't really know on five, six, seven, eight

Those are all smaller 50 by 80. And Nick purchased j one. So he's not even gonna want it out. So sorry.

Yeah. I well, if you guys wanna vote, let's vote. But

I know Jay Jinx wants to

build a larger hanger is what he said.

I wonder if we just need to wait one more Yeah. And just carefully go through the list. Yeah.

But they're available.

Right. Spaces are available. They're available. Mhmm.

So meaning, I got four on kilo, but I think I'm the only four out of 12.

That reached out. Right. So there should be eight more of eight You've got capacity.

If anyone were to come forward and say, hey. What about me? And there are some large larger as well as smaller. I agree with that. That's why I'm that's why I'm comfortable making that.

Anybody anybody that's not here can be handled with the existing proposed inventory.

Okay. So if they're ready to go forward, anybody on the waiting list above them could

contact them and just make Right. And that's what you need to pay or you need to play

or we will we will contact them yet again. Yeah. I know. I know.

So in other words, this one's probably okay if we stack, like, three more without doing that. That would be problematic.

We will have the waiting list figured out in the future. Yeah. That would be a problem. Okay. Great. Alright.

Further discussion? Hearing done. All in favor of the proposal for the Black River request with a caveat regarding the opportunity for the airport to extend the taxiway, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That passes. We appreciate your interest in being here. Give us a quick construction update.

Good morning. My name is Connor Butterfield, engineer with Lochner. So we've we've discussed kilo. As I said, likely to go out to bid in December, get the most competitive bids at that time. That'll kinda iron out the numbers for everybody, what we're looking at for linear footage of kilo. Taxiway charlie, so taxiway is connect to the runways, not directly to hangars. Taxiway charlie, we have a contractor, Staker Parsons. They will construct that in the spring. It was initially held up. The bids came in higher than allocated funds. So I work with the state. Anymore. Yeah. There was we had to rebid the project. Got a little convoluted but ultimately, the bids came out a little higher than we had allocated funds for. So I work with the state and they agreed to put more money in to get the project to go. The additional funds are at a $50.50 match. I've I've talked with John about this and they've approved to match the fifty fifty state funds to make the project go forward. So that happened in the spring. Your SRE truck is being built currently. So I got an estimate. They said December is when delivery could happen. So it's being built locally in Salt Lake. Hopefully, they stick with their estimate of December. That'd be great to get it before we get a lot of snow. Another 2026 project we have is Taxiway Bravo. So that'll get a pavement maintenance similar to Bob's photos of the South Ramp where you're gonna fill all the cracks and then put a rejuvenation oil on the top. And that's about all I had. Any questions for me?

Completely unrelated to construction, but based off of some of the stuff Bob presented, another consideration, he had talked about, the beta possibly looking at doing a air taxi. An air taxi, just like regular taxi, is a flight that you pay for. A departing seat that is paid for is an entitlement, or excuse me, is an enplanement, which impacts your entitlement funding. So lots of discussions about what FAA pays for, what it doesn't, how much money you get. Currently, your entitlements are $150,000 a year. If there are commercial flights seats going out, whether they're paid charter or scheduled air service or unscheduled air service, they can count towards enplanements. You'll remain at a $150,000 a year up to 2,500 enplanements. And then between 2,500 enplanements annually and 10,000, it's a stepwise, each seat adds 100 and something dollars from $150,000 to 1,300,000.0. So it's all dependent upon the employments. That's paying seats going out. If it's a private jet flying their private people, those do not count. But if it's a paid seat, whether it's, like, a a net jets or in wheels up type type of charter, they can't count towards emplacements. At what point do you have to provide security? Security

You know, inspection and

TSA comes into play with with it can be scheduled or it can also even be unscheduled. It really depends on the flights. This type of flight, obviously, they haven't even been certified aircraft yet. Most likely, it would fly unsecured, at which point they would probably fly from the airport and then land on the Eastern Side Of Salt Lake International and at, Atlantic Aviation Signature Aviation, their FBOs. They've coordinated that with several, similar groups in the past. Boutique Air was is a you might have heard of, they've flown multiple scheduled routes throughout the West. But it is just something else to consider. Yes.

Will it be on the Uber app?

I would anticipate by 2034, yes, when the Olympics are here. I would absolutely I would bet money that you will be able to get Uber.

The Olympics are in '32 with you. Yeah. When the Olympics are here. Yeah. When will we come to Uber?

Uber well, it depends. Uber actually did a joint venture with a helicopter operator for, the Sundance Film Festival. Oh, there. So it actually was Uber Air. And then Uber Air is also an investor in several of the vertical takeoff and landing startups and theoretical concepts. Everything is concept at this point because nothing's certified.

Okay. Anything else? We appreciate your interest in your being here. We will have items to discuss on the December 4, and we look forward to seeing you again at that time.

Let's let's set the time at 9AM, John.

Yes. For next meeting? The time time will continue to be at 9AM to accommodate other schedules.