01-22-2019 CACHE COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING

Ceremony and pledge by Paul Borup.

So Paul will give you some time right now. Sounds good. I just a just a quick remark today. I was following a lot of the things that are going on nationally, and I was down at Salt Lake for a couple meetings. And I was looking at all the things that are going on in life, and it kinda reminded me of the Rudyard Kipling poem, If. And and that's one of my favorite poems in the first section of it that says, if you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blame it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, but make allowance for their doubting too, you can wait and not be tired by waiting, or being lied about. Don't deal in lies. Or being hated, don't give way to hating. And yet don't look too good nor talk too wise. It just got me thinking about here in this, this great value that we have with all the the hate filled things that are going on and how that while we're seeing that in a lot of places, I don't think we see that on a broad base here of people giving into that that hate and they're avoiding that. And I greatly appreciate that. And so with that, I'll just conclude my comments in the in the form of a prayer. Our father in heaven, as we approach you this afternoon, we are so grateful that we're able to participate in in self governance. We're grateful for this wonderful country that we have, and the freedoms that we enjoy. And we're we're thankful for the the citizen our fellow citizens, and trust they place in us. We ask that you please bless us with with wisdom, that as we debate and look at the things that are that are before us, that we can make decisions that would keep the the quality of life that we enjoy here in the valley, and that we can make make decisions that will be put to our to our fellow citizens. And and we say these things name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. If you can join me in the pledge.

Pledge of Allegiance. To the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you, Paul. Very appropriate words. We we need to review and approve the agenda. Is there a motion to

Move to approve the agenda. The amended agenda.

Amended agenda. Thank you.

We'll make that motion.

Second. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Thank you. And the minutes. Is there are there any additions or corrections to the minutes? Could I just make one?

On my report, I we I was talking about the better days 2020, and it says that we were going to have the event at the event center. That's not for sure yet, but we are looking at having it there. So that's just a small change I want to make on Okay. You want me to change that? Yeah. If you would, please. That'd be great.

That's what you said. Any other corrections or additions? Do we have a motion to approve the minutes? Move to approve as amended. Second. All in favor? Aye. Thank you. Let's see. Craig, report for the the county executive. Okay.

I have one appointment, and I will present to the council the name of Nan Small to be a a library board member. She has served there, and she is up for reappointment.

I move that we approve Nan Small to be on the library board.

Second up. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Thank you. Thank you. The

Nan's not here then. No. Nan is not here. The December 2018 financial statements have been sent out to the council, and I will have a copy here for signatures for the chairman clerk. K. Also, other items, I did forward an email that I got about the spike one fifty cesquicentennial wagon train. And you'll see there that this individual is requesting some funding to help put on that event. This is going to take place in Box Elder County, but individuals that are participating there will be representing Cache County. So I don't know whether you want to have any discussion about that tonight, but this is in addition to the parade, the request that we've had for participants at the parade. And apparently, the American West Heritage Center has has agreed to represent, Cache County in that parade for the, Golden Spike. I believe that's on the May 4. This wagon train would start on the May 4. They participate in that parade, and then it would they would end up in Kelton, Utah, wherever that is, approximately 70 miles away and participate in the Golden Spike.

Band. So

Is is is that the reason for the set setting a a budget?

We would we would need to find $1,200 is what they're suggesting as a donation. We would need to find that in the budget. So if the council would approve that, I would probably just place that in a in our budget opening at the next meeting if you're

if you would like me to do that. Is this the only question I had on that was it is who is this particular what is this particular event sponsored by, and who who's is it just individuals who have gotten together to have this, or Or is it part of all of Box Elder County's celebration?

I don't think that this is an official part of their celebration. That's a question that I could ask. They remember earlier, they asked if we

we they'd like us to be part of. We knew anybody that had wagons and horses that would like to participate. That was for the parade. That

was for the parade, but this is a little bit different. This is a wagon in countless. Just

continue on with those in the parade. Now did they want the $1,200

or did they want us to be involved in the the restrooms?

Is that That's the $1,200 would cover the cost of the restrooms. But they don't want to be the one that facilitates

the restrooms there for a 1,200 versus 1,200 towards

someone else doing it. Someone else would do it. But they would have the donation to go towards that. When he called me initially, I said, why don't you write up a request, tell us what you're going to use it for, and then I'll take that to the council. And so that's what I'm doing here. And so it's it's basically a wagon train encampment, but I don't believe it's an official part of the celebration that they're planning.

Why don't we Craig, why don't you and I would it hopefully, maybe just talk to some of the, you know, the commissioners over there and see how it fits into their celebration. And, you know, if if it's part of a hate to just, you know, throw money to just this is a group that this is what they're gonna do

and and not fit into the overall celebration. He did say, you know, he wanted they wanted to represent the county if we had a county flag or something that we could could give them to show that they're representing the county. But

Maybe we could get this Matt Wilkinson to come next meeting and tell us a little bit more about it. I'm not sure who this Matt Wilkinson is. There's Scott Wilkinson's got a younger brother named Matt.

Younger brother named Matt. Is that the one that Pretty sure that that's who it is. Who it is. Yeah.

He lives around here, doesn't he? Yeah. He's in North Logan. Why don't we ask him to come and k. Tell us a little bit more about him. I don't think we're objecting to what he's requesting as much as we'd like to have a few more details as to

exactly what's gonna take place. I will I will let him know that we are going to be considering this in our budget opening at the next meeting. He would like to come and give us some more information.

That would be good, I think. When I first read this, I thought that he said that he would probably attach our banner to the restroom. And then I heard, oh, my wagon was all good. How do you know you can use the restroom? As long as his wagon is not carrying the restroom. That's right. As long as his wagon isn't carrying the restroom, forget.

Next time next time you cash down and thank him for the restroom. Yeah.

Okay. I will I will proceed that way. And then we've had a discussion. I've had a discussion with with Bard and some others about the possibility of upgrading our council conference room so that we could use that room for, you know, audio visual presentations, hooking it up to a computer there. From time to time, for example, we met with the trust, and they brought a a laptop, and they set the laptop in the middle of the table, and everybody just had to kinda sit around and look. It's it's not it's not set up. And I think for a fairly minimal cost, we could put a a screen in the on the east wall, with controls possibly going through the floor, to to upgrade that room so that we could use it in that way. So when we have committee meetings and other things, we could we could use it. I think it would make it a lot more effective in there. I wanted to just run that by the council before I put Bart to work on getting some cost estimates and

presentations are done today and this technology continues to march forward, I I think that would be

a very appropriate thing to do. I do too. I think we all agree that these are a great a great addition to the Mhmm. To the council. And there's times when Cameron going to present some financial

things in there. He just had to read them off. And when he start reading 10 numbers, everyone just zones right out. And so The fire department, they all do. That'd be a good thing. Our bishop's office has more technology in that room than that does.

Alright. So we've nice to Alright. Great. A little bit. Yeah. We'll see see what we can put together then, see what the needs are. I know that the walls in this building are very difficult to run Pretty hard. The wiring into. So that's something that will have to be considered, and

and and we'll we'll come back with the cost estimate there. Probably easier to run under the car than that is to find a way through the wall.

Yeah. That's or, you know, possibly, I don't know if we can come down through the wall. Or We'll have to look at that. Square can't have done that bad. Other than that, I don't have any updates for you today. That's concluding my report. Thank you.

There is nothing on the consent agenda today. We have a special item of interest, the Bear River Health Department annual report, Holly. If you would enlighten us with what's happening at the Bear River Health Department besides a new building and Yes. Everything that's going on with that.

No. Let's talk about that. Did everybody need a coffee?

Mhmm.

So I appreciate you letting us have a minute of time on your agenda. I promise to keep it brief as your agenda is long, and hopefully you get home before breakfast. So bless all of your hearts. So we are excited to share a little bit of what we've been doing this year at the health department. I do know that this is also sent to you electronically, but I thought it's nice to have a hard copy to look at, especially because we did have a correction that had to be made on one of the pages. But just a little overview. If you look to pages two and three, is there's an introduction to our board of health, and we like to always make sure we're thanking the counties for the support of our board of health, especially to Craig Butters and James Swink who volunteer every month to help make decisions for our health department. So you can read the letter from our health officer. On page four and five, the health Department made the decision this year, to take the journey, to become accredited. And accreditation is something that's super popular in the world of academics and in hospitals, but it's fairly new to a public health department, but still a a big, endeavor that we're undertaking. So in that process, one of the things that we're required to do is that we need to assure that we're always looking at the health data for our community to make decisions and to set priorities and that we're working with partners in that process. So pages four and five kind of detail that process that we've been, going through to identify health priorities. And on page five, you can see that the health priorities that have been identified by our health area is that they would like to first address mental health, second, substance abuse, misuse, and abuse, third, communicable disease, and fourth, chronic disease and obesity. And as we flip the pages over to six and seven, you'll kind of be able to identify why those were identified as the health priorities. These two pages are kind of a snap snapshot of our communities. Being a multi county health department, of course, we serve Box Elder, Cash, and Rich Counties. So we have the population indicated there as well as the language spoken in the homes, what the income levels are like, the number of people with health insurance, etcetera. On page seven now is where you'll see the leading causes of death for individuals in America, and we compare that to Utah and also to our health district. This is where, hopefully, you've got our little insert because there was an error in the printing. The US rates were total numbers. The rate hadn't been calculated. And so, the little insert gives you an idea so you can make those comparisons. But just to highlight for just a minute, in most of those 10 areas, our health district does better than the state of Utah or the nation as a whole with a few exceptions. Our diabetes rates are higher. The incidence of suicide, which isn't probably surprising to a lot of us is higher. The incidence of flu, deaths from flu or influenza is higher and also the rates of, Alzheimer's disease. So given that that's where we were seeing that we, you know, could do some improving, it makes sense that then that became our priorities for our plants.

Do you have questions about any of those numbers? I'm confused. You said we are higher in those areas?

Uh-huh. These numbers are are lower. So if you you kinda have to use this little white white thing to compare The US and then you can look up Bear River and so for example Okay. Yep. Yep. So we are higher than The US. Not included in there in there yet. I'm not in there yet. Yeah. So good question. And unfortunately, that was cut after we had printed 200 copies of this plan, this report. On page eight is an overview of our budget and our expenditures. At the bottom, you see the revenue and 58% of our total budget is coming from contracts. We have staff that are, writing grants to help fund programs. 12% of our total budget comes from taxes and is supported from counties like Cash and Box Elder and Rich. At the top pie chart, shows our expenditures, and you can see that, fortunately, we're a fiscally sound agency and our revenue exceeds our expenditures. And then finally, just the last section of the book that I thought I'd highlight really quick is, again, based on the the priorities that we have set with those four goals, the health department has also written a strategic plan. We have four goals in mind, and I just thought I would highlight for a minute some things we're doing to touch on each of those goals. So the first says that we'll be among the healthiest in the state. That's our our number one goal. So to do that, we have some numbers reported there from each of our six divisions. To highlight a couple, this last year, we've tested a hundred and ninety six patients for STDs. And so they come in, they think they're suspect for a sexually transmitted disease. And so if they are tested positive, that results in four hundred and seventy nine investigations completed. So we do a lot of tracking with communicable disease. We've issued over 5,500 food handler permits to assure that the food that you consume when eating out is is safe and is being handled properly. We've had over 1,100 clients served by our substance abuse division. We've had 637 individuals trained by a program called QPR. That's a suicide prevention program. Every month in our WIC department, we serve over 3,600 children. And we've received this year 66 calls to our our emergency service hotline. Goal number two, which is on page 11, says that we'll we'll strive to be recognized as a leader in public health. So our program, I thought I would just bring to your attention, it's pretty new at the health department, is highlighted actually on page 12, and it's a program connected to our substance abuse division. We're trying to increase the self sufficiency of our clients, so that that can assist in their recovery. So in addition to them receiving treatment, we've had 18 clients that were provided with work or school support, 19 have been connected or provided with some housing assistance, and two, we've helped with transportation, meaning we helped connect them with a bike. So there's an example of how we're how we are trying to be a leader in public health. Goal number three on page 13. In public health, something we really try to do is to not duplicate service. So we wanna make sure that we are we have partnerships and we're all working together to achieve similar goals. So this goal says we'll strengthen relationships to result in improved health of our citizens. On page 16 is the page I often like to highlight when we're looking at this report, and the reason for that is on page 16. It kinda shows a more comprehensive approach to the opioid epidemic. We have some services taking place that we've established a crisis center, or excuse me, not a crisis center, but it's a crisis team. At the health department, we also employ two physicians who help with Vivitrol injections, which is medication assisted treatment to help individuals who are dependent break that addiction. And then the third paragraph there highlights some things we're doing with prevention of opioids, and we're really trying to encourage individuals to ask their physicians or their health care providers for other options besides opioids, other ways they can manage their pain, and so forth. And then finally, goal number four says that we will try to connect the communities to services that are convenient. So a few things we've done there, many people aren't aware, but, the health department does offer mental health counseling to non Medicaid clients. So we're trying to fill that gap because we do have quite a, a disparity there as far as the number of service providers we have and the need for our community. So that is something and it's it's on a very affordable rate. Of course, you're all aware of our new building that we opened just a couple weeks ago. We're super excited to be able to be more convenient for those individuals that are on the South End Of the valley. We also have a mobile unit that we've been using to bring out to our underserved communities. And then finally, we did do an overhaul of our website trying to connect people to services, making them more accessible using things like online forms and so forth. So with that said, that's our report. Page 20 says we're looking forward to continuing to improve our services, make them more, available to our community. And I just, with that, wonder if you have any questions.

I have one quick question for you. On page 10, it talks about the tobacco compliance checks, and then it kinda feeds into your one of your goals. Uh-huh. Are those just where you go and check retailers to make sure they're not selling to underage? That's correct. And then for tobacco, is that also how does kind of vaping work into that? Because that seems to be the Super good question. They actually do compliance with vaping as well. Okay. So that kind of falls under the same. Mhmm. And then

if if someone does sell to our underage decoy there is actually two levels of penalties. There's a civil and a criminal. And we do the civil hearings at the health department hoping that in that process we're making sure that the owners or managers are training their staff to prevent that. So, it's very friendly process, but just trying to do what we can. Of course, you probably heard in the recent news that they can rates have gone up significantly, especially among the youth. It's true for our area too, but not at the same rates as it as it is on a nation as a whole. So good question.

I have some two things. First, I just wanna say I really appreciate the way that this information is presented. Sometimes numbers can be boring, and the way this is presented makes it readable and easy to digest. And I love all the color, so thanks for presenting it that way. The question I have isn't in here, so maybe you're not prepared. And if so, I apologize. That's great. What's the status of medical marijuana in the health department? Are you guys gonna be a distribution center? Have you discussed that at all?

Craig could probably also comment on this. We did discuss that at length at our last board meeting. And right now, the proposal is that the health district or health department will be a a dispenser.

Dispenser. Dispenser. Thank

you. That's the right They're making they're making plans right now as to how that will happen, and I'm sure that there will probably be more directives from the state, but it will have to take place in a separate part of the building than, you know, the regular where the regular services are are permitted or given. And so I know that there are still a lot of questions, but that that's some of the information that we got in our last meeting.

So Okay. Thank you. The health officers no. It's that's a great question. Question for no. Unfortunately, I get to sit on those meetings that Craig is referencing. The health officers, which are the the directors of each of the 13 local health departments, have been really, really involved in that process. They figured they underestimated what it might cost to become a dispensary, and so some of the negotiations that are gonna be taking place is to consider those costs. As Craig mentioned, it does need to be separate location. We think the way our building is structured on our north on 1300 North could accommodate that with some security that would need to be there and then we would also our Brigham office would also become a dispensary dispensary. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Thanks for the clarification. Anyhow, yeah. So they're still we're kind of waiting for the legislative session to see what happens with that, but I would say that there's a lot of time that's being spent to make sure that we make it available to those that are in need and that we're doing it in a very responsible way and that it won't be in a way that encourages youth use. That's something that James Swink has communicated to us over and over. So there needs to be an education component with all of this as well. So that people don't just because it's being dispensed to the health department that is isn't equated with health.

I think that the dispensaries of the Board of Health would not

come on board until isn't it midway through twenty twenty? It seems like that's when that I think we have to be ready to go by January 2020, but then I don't know if it it takes effect.

Well, don't don't quote me on the date. Yeah. So it's it's a ways out there still. Out still. Okay. Still quite a bit of work to be done and quite a bit of time to do that before it actually takes place.

What kind of additional personnel or, you know, security, different things not there? Has that been discussed or anything? So

I would want our health officer to speak on to that question. I know that he is interested in working with the county and has asked Craig to follow-up on maybe having a subcontract, maybe even with the county to help with some of the security concern. That's mostly the additional personnel that we're we're concerned with at this point.

Great. Thank you.

Mhmm. K. Well, again, thank you for your time. Is there any other questions?

I'll explain myself. Appreciate all you have. Thank you, Holly, very much. Okay. Sherry, we're gonna hear about the Cache County Library.

I appreciate you inviting me over to give a report on the library. We're excited because of the new things that are happening. We're trying to build up our overdrive library, so that it opens up the availability of books to all of the citizens with little or no wait list. Right now, if you go through one of the other libraries in the county, you have to wait 80 turns to get your book. You can be as high as 79 on the wait list. So with ours so far, the wait, time is six days. So that's an remarkable improvement. And we appreciate your help and your, desire for us to to go forth with this and allowing us a budget that allows us to buy these books and make them available to patrons across the county. Right now, we have more than 700 books online that can be checked out. They're both, ebooks to read as well as audio books to listen to. During the past year, we had more well, we had close to 5,000 checkouts on Overdrive this last year. And like I said, with just an average of six days waiting to get the books that they wanted. We're reaching out to more and more citizens. We've been in contact with North Cache, with their English teachers for the seventh graders, and issued library cards to them to make it available for them to check out books online. We've also had a number of students from Cache High that have acquired library cards so that they can check out these books as well. So that reached the North end with North Cash, and now we're, talking with South Cash to get them on board so that their students can also check out books online. And this will also allow their parents to check out books. The family can have two books at a time for each card, and they're allowed four four cards. So the last reports that we got, the number of users doubled in the last quarter of 2,018 of people who were checking books out. And those, the checkouts tripled in that same quarter, and this is due to getting the cards out to these students. So, we're excited about that. The only downside is, if there is a downside, is that these books are expensive, and we'll have to keep up with the titles to go with the with the number of patrons checking them out. That's the only downside, but so far we're doing okay that way. Also, we offer to get books from other libraries, they're called interlibrary loans, And that is very popular with the citizens right now because they can, come in and request a book, and if we don't have the book, and it may be one that we're not interested in buying because it's older than three years, we can request it from another library. Or if we think it's one that most patrons that we have wouldn't be interested in, we can still provide them access to the books. And, right now, there are nine that are checked out in the in our library and three are on their way to our library. And then we have enough budget. Thanks to you for appropriating money that we can pay for the postage to get the book back to the lending library. So we're very appreciative of that. Our story times are doing about the same as always. Our we have really high attendance at our story times. We looked at maybe the possibility of there becoming more interest in library times and in story times, and if there is, I think the best way to do it within our budget would be to have additional story times given at our library. We could do that on Mondays and Fridays when we don't have any. However, River Heights has reached out, and they have offered they have, requested that we do a library time, story time over at their city offices. The room that they have has no furniture, but they're willing to sit on the floor during the story time. We wouldn't be able to do any crafts because there are no tables and chairs for them to sit at, But it would be beneficial still because children learn so much with singing songs and listening to stories, hearing the vocabulary. So it still would be a benefit to them to learn early literacy skills. And so that's one of the things that we're looking at. Again, I wanted to tell you thank you for all of your hard work and all that you do to help this library run successfully.

That that was going to be my one question is what what are the trends and obviously they're up as far as usage. I was gonna ask you what the trends were as far as usage. Obviously, they're up as you've reported. So thank you.

I'll say one of the things I'm on the library board with Sherry, and one of the things that we've been trying to figure out is how to let more people know about the library, because a lot of people don't know about it. And they were smart in having this idea of taking it to the, junior high kids so that their families know about it. But one of the things that we also talked about is if we wanna let more people know about that and and be able to get these, books from Overdrive, which is the online book collection that they'll have to have a little more budget. I think they've been pretty much operating closely to the same budget over several years. And so there's hope that maybe we could add some into their budget so that they can then have more books, and then they can take that library, make it available to more people, let more people know about it.

Thank you. I think at the end of last year,

we had a little bit of money left over in the in the budget for books, to purchase books and things. So at our next budget opening, that will most likely be coming to you to to choose to, as a council, to roll that over into the next year's budget so that this year, it can be spent on new books. So we had I can't remember how much was left. $56,000.

I think it was 4,000. 4,000.

K. So we'll we'll have that at our budget opening at the next meeting.

So that overdrive then, is that just almost like just an electronic version of the library? We have a limited number of titles. And so as people check those out, each time they're checked out, you pay a licensing fee.

We buy the book initially. For an audiobook, it's about a $100. For the, books to read online, it's not quite that much. And some of the publishers limit how many checkouts it can have before you have to rebuy it. Okay. So, it's a lot more expensive than just buying a regular book. But I try to to get the ones that are the most popular, the most requested, the in our library, hoping that that represents what will be, wanted by those patrons outside of the library area. So

Okay. Thank you very much, Sherry. Thank you. Thanks for all you do.

You're welcome. Thanks.

Okay. We don't have any board of equalization matters tonight. We'll now move to our public hearing portion of the agenda. Our first public hearing is, ordinance, twenty nineteen dash zero one, DD Auto Salvage Rezone. We'll open this up then to public comment. Is there anyone who would like to comment on this? That's my point here. If

you have a similar review for Oh, yeah.

Sorry, Josh.

You've been the first thing that I say. Yep.

Make sure I'm doing this right over here. So this is a rezone request, for d and d auto and salvage. The majority of this property has already been zoned, commercial and industrial. This is a request to rezone 1.3 acre parcel, from the commercial zone to the industrial zone. There are different uses allowed in each zone. Currently, it's owned industrial. Sorry. Currently, it's owned commercial. It needs to be transitioned over to industrial zone. This was a gap parcel, created through various lines and and parcels. The the owner has, subsequently taken care of that taken control of the entire property. The only outstanding issue is that this will have to be added to the conditional use permit on the rest of the property that remains to the north. So they'll have to amend their, conditional use permit. There are no other issues, that the planning commission saw with this rezone request. They did recommend, the rezone unanimously to change it from commercial to industrial.

Any questions for Josh? Thanks, Josh. Is there anyone here from the public who would like to make a comment concerning this rezone?

Move to close public hearing. Second.

Move to close and second or close the public hearing and second made. All in favor? Aye. Okay. Any Any opposed. Any opposed? None, I guess. Because I heard everybody say aye. Okay.

Do you wanna go on to thirteen a if there's no

Yeah. Might as well we have to we have thirty seconds. Let's let's go on to thirteen a, initial proposals of consideration concerning this particular ordinance, ordinance twenty nineteen zero one DD autos auto and salvage rezone. Would anyone like to waive the rules and make a motion on this?

Mister chairman, I'd like to waive the rules and make a motion that we go ahead and change the zoning on this from a a 10 to a five.

I think you're talking from 13 a. It's from commercial.

Industrial. Yeah. Industrial. Okay. Second that.

All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Okay. That passes then. We're right on time with our next public hearing. The Applewood Hollow RU 5 rezone. Request rezone 12 and a half acres from agricultural a 10 to rural RU 5 zone. Josh? This is a rezone request.

Just on the Southeast Side of Nibley, you can see Nibley City comes down Hollow Road through here. Hollow Road continues on to Blacksmith Fork Canyon. This parcel takes access from Hollow Road through private drives and is on the East side of the Blacksmith Fork River, which is just on the Blacksmith Fork River is about the boundary of Nibley. In reviewing this parcel, the primary issues and concerns relates to the access to the parcel. There's a north access and a south access. The north access is a single lane, paved private drive over a single lane, bridge. The south access is a drive that varies between twelve and nineteen feet of gravel, over another private bridge. And then the, the roadway, subsequently peters out, to the south. The primary concern being is that, there is, limited, suitable access this property. The letter from Nibley City was first written based on their request to go to an RU two, which was subsequently changed to a request to an RU five. Nibley City outlined concerns that you can read. If I could find the section under section C 10 B. They had a the rezone request. The planning commission did unanimously recommend denial of this rezone. You can see the three, sorry, the three conclusions on page five of the staff report, the property lacks adequate provision of public services, including emergency access, refuse collection, and public infrastructure. The existing substandard private access road currently exceeds the number of single family dwellings allowed on private roads and the access from Nibley City Road and given location property, the issues of the infrastructure infrastructure would be better addressed as part of Nibley City development, any development on a municipal road. Those were the recommendations from the planning commission.

Any questions for Josh?

Josh, I have a question. Yes. How many homes are already on those private roads? That's not clear to me.

From the North

I'm just gonna object, Josh. You're giving me incorrect information.

Let let let him, give what he knows, and then we it'll open up to the public to to correct anything. I'm not sure exactly how many homes are on that North Access.

We hadn't done a a road review of that. I think the road review is on the South Access.

And on the South Access, how many homes are there?

I know there's one that I can remember off the top of my

head. Okay. But there's not more than three.

I don't know about the North Access.

Okay. Thank you, Josh. I know there's,

I know there's this one, and there may be some back there's back access to lots, but I don't think it's primary access. I couldn't tell you exactly the number of homes.

So I guess my question then would be this talks about there's too many homes already on the road, so I'm confused as to

why that says that if we don't even know the number of

I'd have to go dig back through it. I apologize. Apologize for putting you on the spot there. I should have called and asked you. Well, when they meet with the

planning and zoning board, they have it all printed up. These conclusions were drawn by the planning commission. Okay. These weren't drawn by the planning commission.

By the development services?

Okay. Chris, they were conclusions.

I'm sorry. You were probably there. Chris is in California right now.

I'm thinking there's five, but I'm not sure. Okay. I should remember, but I don't.

We can we can pull that information for you and get an exact count on we can get an exact count on that North Access. No. The South Access only serves as one at this point. In either case, neither road meets any of our standards or criteria, but we can pull the number of homes if you'd like that number. Okay. I still have to tip my fingers here. No. This this is just about my care unit. We don't have to do anything today.

Any other questions for Josh? Okay. We'll now open the public hearing and invite anyone who would like to address it to please come to the microphone. State your name even though we know it.

James. I'm representing John and Elaine and Andrew. It's actually their son's phrase. Get get come on there.

Did you get that? That that that way the live streaming can be picked up.

I I probably shouldn't have interrupted Josh, but sometimes you just have incorrect information, and it it it's something we can't seem to deal with. We've explained a couple of times this situation, but it's like the water isn't getting to the end of the road. There are two accesses off Blacksmith Road to properties, but the property we're talking about has nothing to do with the North access. It You can't get from the North access to this property. And it shouldn't be dealt with as though there's two roads to the property. Road. That's it. And so, because of the concerns about the first ladder, they went back from an RU2 to RU5. So there will only be two homes on that road. There's no concern about the legal right to use the road. There are no other users who have rights on that road, and it's been preserved for a long time. There are no problems with utilities. There is adequate utilities on-site to service the second home. There are no problems of any kind why this shouldn't be approved. We have We sent a a very detailed letter to the county, commission when we got, the letter from Nibley, and I think it probably appropriate for me to go only you should not approve this. Accessed only by private roads, plural. Well, there isn't roads. There's a single road, and it's 60 feet wide, and no one else has any right to it except John Danes. And John's brother, Chris, want to build a home on the other half of the 12 acres. So the the letter starts off by saying there's more than the legal number of houses being accessed from this road. Now, what they're doing is they're totaling homes that are on the first road, the North Road, and the South Road together to make this decision about this separate piece of property. I don't know why you can do that. You wouldn't total the roads, the two different roads a home served by. Now, the North Road does serve four or five different family, and it's a separate piece of property. It has a separate legal parcel number, and that North Road does not go to this property. And the South Road does not go to the North property. So I that's just a confusing idea. There are unanswered questions about the legal access to the parcel. I I do not know what they're talking about here. There are no legal questions about this 60 foot right of way. It runs right through a Nibley subdivision, and it has since 1995. Third question is there are significant challenges related to providing utilities to the site. The site has gas. It has electricity. It it will have a septic tank. There are no other utilities that are needed. It probably also has, I mean, it has everything there now. A home has already been one home has already been built on this South Road. This is just a second home. So, it already has The one home already has the utility services and those are more than adequate for a second home. Then, it says, there's a risk of septic tank contaminating Nibley source water protection zone. We've obtained a letter from Bear River mental health. This is in a classification that covers virtually the whole valley. And the classification is that that classification is only to be used to deny, septic tank permit if the city has passed an ordinance saying it does. Nibley City has not done that. The Bear River Mental Health has reviewed this situation, says a septic tank permit can be obtained. So, I'm at a loss to know what the objection is about this property, except the continuing confusion, by combining two separate areas, and trying to combine the problems of, by putting the two of them together, and feet wide to the river, and after the river, it's 60 feet wide to the river, and after the river, it's 65 feet wide. There's an existing bridge. Fire service is already provided to the home that's on this road. I I just, I don't know of what other problems there are with it, Josh. How did we get so confused on this? With it, Josh. How did we get so confused on this?

It sounds like there is some some confusion on it that that needs to be studied a little. There's a Just one quick can I ask you one quick question, George? Talk talking about the the roadway. It's a private road.

It is a private roadway.

Is is it is it or will it be deeded to to both to both parcels. So that some point when the Danes family isn't occupying it, that some future occupants won't have any trouble with access. Carl, it it what it does is this roadway

goes through the subdivision And so, it goes it starts at Nibley Hollow. It goes through a subdivision, 60 feet wide. Then, it has a bridge across the river. It traditionally went up and serviced some farmland, about 80 acres. And so, what we're doing is building two homes on that. On this parcel, which it passes through, we will continue to use that roadway for the farming area that's behind it.

Is it two homes or one home?

Pardon me. There's a Isn't there already an existing home? There's one home on the road now. And this would be in order to build a second home? Right. There there's 12 acres there. So when you go to RU 5, you're really limiting it to two homes, because there's no more five acres. So that's all that's ever gonna be built on this roadway, on this land. If they ever wanted to do something more, they would have to come back and get something changed. But, I think this is a perfect example of a kind of a subdivision that should be allowed in the county. Nibley City doesn't want anything done on its perimeter. I understand that. Roadways existed, I think, before Nibley City had any subdivisions anywhere around us. It predates the development that it goes through. When they started with this land in 1995, there were a few scattered homes along Nibley Hollow, with mostly a rural area. But, and they went across the river, built there's three or four homes that used the North Road that have been permitted, given different statutes, at different times. But that really doesn't have anything to do with this South Road and the two homes we're talking about. John, Andrew, did I miss anything?

Okay. Thank you, George. Any questions for George? Any clarifications needed?

I just wondering in one portion, it says that you never did apply for annexation from Nibley City. Right. And but for some reason, did Nibley City think you were asking for annexation?

No. We never asked for annexation. Probably never will. Okay.

Thank you, George. Have you had a question?

No. Thank you. If if it would be helpful, I'd be happy to supply a legal opinion on the quality of that roadway. That if you need a legal opinion that is a dedicated right of way and that it's 60 feet wide, I'd be happy to provide you a legal opinion to that effect and, also, that no one else has a right to access it.

Occasionally, there are people who use it, but they do not have a right to access it. George, the people who are doing the agriculture unit, they have a right to access through there. Don't make this.

Pardon me?

The people that are running the land, they have a right to access it through there.

I I don't think there's anybody that's running any farmland that comes through this on this road. So where are they accessing the other farm? Is that from the North Road? I don't know where other people access, but but this roadway is is limited to this land. You said that the road would access two homes in the farm ground. Well, that's the farm ground that belonged to John Pitts.

That's what that that's what he was doing. John running equipment and stuff on that road to access,

which is totally okay. I just Yeah. That's the only farming else that was going to do that. If I can talk, I think the confusion is a little bit about there is a property that this runs through that has had application that was never approved for subdivision, but their access is on the roadway that goes to the bridge. Beyond that, this roadway that we have access to has always been there, and it's it's our access. It's not their access to their farmland. They have access to their farmland by the roadway that this right away now goes on that is a roadway in the subdivision.

I see.

And so they have access to the bridge and across to their property, but not access onto the 60 foot right of way that we have that goes all the way up to our 80 acre farm up on top.

Any other questions? Thank you, George.

Okay. We have to close public hearing then unless you Anything else?

Well, it is a public hearing. Do you have people that wanna talk? Or Is there still more of the Yeah. Is there anyone else who would like to

comment on this from the public? Move to close the public hearing. I'll second that. All in favor?

I. Any opposed? Okay. Thank you. 11 c, we need to set a public hearing for February 12 at 6PM to open the 2019 budget.

I'll make a motion to set a public hearing February 12, 06:00 to open a budget. Second.

All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Thank you. We have resolution twenty nineteen dash zero two, the Ridgeview annexation of Providence City. Josh, is that something you can enlighten us about? Yes.

This is an annexation request between located between Providence and River Heights. Providence is to the South, River Heights is to the North. Logan City is further to the North. This is 1,000 that comes down from Logan City and drops into Providence. If you'll recognize the area, this is where the Solentree Tree Farm is. Thank you, Lee. Uh-huh. Solenture Tree Farm is here. The cemetery is located right here on this piece. And then there is more, farmland that is located here. There is a request to annex two parcels of ground. You can see them in blue. They are highlighted in the dashed area here. These two pieces would be annexed into Providence City. This is taking one island and making two smaller islands out of it. So you can see that they are leaving, the the two homes that exist here in the West, and they're leaving the two parcels that, or three parcels, I guess, that exist to the east. As part of state law, it's requires that the, the council or the county, it it just states the county, either, formally agree or protest, the annexation if they are, making, more or smaller, islands or peninsulas. In this case, we don't see any problems. None of the services will change. We have an ongoing issue in this area regarding 1000 East. It will be handing, that section, of this road off to Providence City. But there are still multiple chunks where, I think we've talked about before River Heights annex both sides of the road, but not the road itself. That's this road. So, we're working on that as these pieces all kind of come in over time, getting rid of, our services on that road. It doesn't make any sense for us to run a truck all the way up there to, to maintain three blocks of roadway. But at this time, you can see we've given you, three potential conclusions. You do have the option to either agree, with the annexation or to protest it. Our baseline recommendation is that we agree with it.

There's no way we can make and take care of that last little filing.

We can't force, more pieces to annex. Cities can, the county cannot. And we can disagree with it and they can still do it, can't they? They could. It would just mean that we would send a protest onto the Boundary Commission. You need to have one more meeting. Is it And they would then review it. And really, the question at the Boundary Commission is, are they violating state law? Boundary commission is are they violating state law, or are they annexing a parcel that they cannot service since they're gonna take the road? The answer to those questions is Just declare it surplus property.

Give it to the neighbors.

That's a novel idea.

Yeah. If if I could this the planning department has done a good job, if please the chair, to more formalize a resolution. It is in state code that the county has to prove if we create an island. And in this case, an island two islands are created. But at the same time, unincorporated county property is annexed that, you know, was on a road that the road department would have service. So in effect, this lowers the the burden on the road department if it's annexed into Providence City. It's my understanding. That's justification for the recommendation. So as I sit as counsel for the boundary commission, these type of annexations, at least for the county, makes sense because we're reducing our service obligation.

That farm ground then on the East Side, that's going to go into Providence also?

I am not sure. I think I think that the Or is it just the West? Is it just the West portion? It's just the West for this, these two parcels right here. I believe that this farm ground is also owned by the Zollander family, and that's probably under conservation easement. Yes. That may not annex anytime soon. There's no purpose to annexing. And that's been part of the problem, as you can see some of these gaps. This is a conservation easement, and this is a cemetery. So there's no drive for annexation for either of those parcels. And so that's that's kind of the the holes we deal with. You can see another hole right over here that contains three or four parcels, right between the river and low Logan Logan the Logan River in River Heights. And that becomes kind of our servicing difficulties. We wind up with three parcels here and four parcels there and two blocks of road. That becomes very problematic for the county. And this has happened over thirty years. In this case, they're stepping up. They're taking the infrastructure. There's limited concerns.

Where's the road?

The road is directly on there's a road on the north side that you can see is already grayed because that's already that's 6 100. That's already in River Heights. And then you've got a thousand east, which you can see runs right here. And they are annexing that portion for the extent of this property.

Mister chair, if it please the council, one reason to object to these, and I've seen this, is is if the cities all annex up to the road, but don't also annex the road Because then, basically, they're pushing those services off to the county. So in this case, it's valuable for the development services to review the annexation and make sure if they're going to annex, they also take the infrastructure.

If they do not for instance, I remember when in Paradise, they were annexing some ground. We had a county road, and we didn't wanna annex the county road either. But they said if we didn't, we couldn't get access for the houses off the side.

Mhmm.

And that's our That was that was current policy right now. So we we have a we have in our standards that if you are a municipality developing onto a county road, you have to meet our criteria, which requires actually approval of council. And, if you are in a unincorporated area, accessing off of a city road, you need their approval. Which, on the last rezone, you could see that same dichotomy where they're accessing onto a Nibley City Road. Here's an instance. This is 1000 West. This is Cox Honey right at the top. Yep. And so this road here comes on down and through. And you can see that Mill annex steps to the east right of way line. And then the next step to the west right of way line. So we still own this road going between those two jurisdictions. We're working on that one. We've got agreements in place, that hopefully will get concluded this year. But if we come over

Yeah. We've been finding that, but what happens if we close the road?

We can't We can turn it back to gravel. But this is this is the That'll change your ship fast. End of 1000 East. So this is Center Street or Mountain Road as it comes up the cliff side. And then you drop on down. So this is all development in River Heights. Logan City has just agreed to take the road to this point. But you can see where River Heights this is actually wider than it actually is. River Heights annexed a one foot strip through this road to get to the other side. So they annexed a one foot strip there and a one foot strip there, but left the rest of the road in

county ownership. And there's nothing we can do to fight that kind of stuff. We're working on that.

Well, I mean, at the time they try to do that, you could protest the annexation. We should have protested that. Nobody was checking these things in the late nineties when they did that development. So now we're checking them, we're catching them. We're filing protests as we can. And, one of the things you'll see out of us, neck, this coming year is an actual formal policy on council's docket to review how we handle annexations. Cause right now, the state code is very ambiguous. We want a formal policy for this is when we do what. So, but for now, I don't think we have any, overt concerns with the the annexation as it's presented.

So but when they're annexing this piece, they're gonna annex the road They're gonna annex to 600 South. South. Yep. And then there's gonna be that little piece of road up to the top of that Yep. On the East Side that's still gonna be ours. Jigsaw puzzle. Why don't we just say take that little piece of road to Because that piece going north should go into River Heights, not into Providence.

The question that I just come up with, why if that piece of property is being annexed, why are they not requiring that other piece by to be act annexed? Piece these? Well, those skinny piece. Why do I do that? People don't wanna be annexed because they don't wanna pay the tax. Yeah. Yeah. But the thing is is when you have a larger piece that's got more value than than that smaller piece with the two homes, you can force them into doing a case. State law changed. Oh, you can't anymore?

State law changed about, two years ago. Oh. So now we have a clause that calls out rural real property. So if you're a house on rural property, the ability for a city to force you in, they can only do that if they're already providing you utility services. If they're selling you water, they can do it. Otherwise, they can't. So where are those homes getting it? Have they got a well and a septic? I couldn't tell you. And and even if they are getting services, they're probably not from Providence, they're probably from River Heights. And again, this annexation is going to Providence, and those homes would then have to go to River Heights if they were to go back to the city.

But at the end of the day, there's no services that we provide those two homes. They get all their services from River Heights, but they don't pay River Heights, but they don't pay River Heights city taxes. The challenge that I see also is if Providence takes over that road and they grade it and maintain it, who takes that little teeny tiny strip from, you know, in front of that home that those homes that don't want. They take it. They own it. They already do. Well, the county is the one that does it, isn't it? Nope. Not that road.

What about the little strip? In front of that little home right here? Yeah. No. No. We don't we don't touch any of at 6 South. Except where it is, Highway 238, further to the, west.

So we don't have to deal with that as far as maintenance and Or you're not dealing with it. That's one I don't see any reason why we don't just go ahead and let them let them

do it. That's what he said.

So do we make a note a motion now? Or do we waive It is a resolution. It'd have to you'd have to waive the rules, but there is a formal resolution.

Well, mister chairman, I'd waive the waive the rules and make a approve the resolution that we go ahead and allow Providence to annex this property from the county. And let it be done with. Second.

One question before we vote. We we are sure that they are taking the road then.

It's under plat. Okay. Good question.

All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Josh, I think you're through for tonight.

In regards to the Applewood Hollow, I think we can probably, take some of the comments that we heard in public hearing. We'll readdress them for your next meeting. Okay. Yeah. It was it was a little bit different here tonight than what we heard. Yeah. Well, that's the problem with moving targets. We analyze them once and then they move. Yeah.

So Yeah. I'm I'm looking right now. It's well, that's another It's still on your agenda if you wanna I'm sitting there looking at the and how he described it and everything is I'm sitting there. Are we looking at the same properties? Well, a subdivision.

He's talking about it. It's still on your agenda under 13 C. 13 C. So if you wanna talk about 13 C and ask me any questions you can.

I've you know, he said there's no access to it from the north. There is an access to it through to the north. And then the other access is it goes kind of a little narrow right through the middle of one piece of property. And then there's just a bridge. I mean, the quality of that bridge, we don't know.

I'm intimately aware of this entire area because we did a lot of river work down through there. That goes through a delinquent

tax parcel. That goes

Are you looking on GIS, Dave? Yeah.

So the South Access is not suitable for a single family home. They'd have to rebuild that access.

Bridge has serious concerns. That's straight blow your arrow. Yeah. It's right here. And it now, can I where does it he said it gets a 60 foot wide that goes all the way back through a subdivision?

An easement recorded that I don't know about.

But there's a He commented about an easement.

We we did not review this North Access because that's it's literally 12 feet wide of pavement and the bridge. But it does go to the property. It does go to the property, and that's the current access that that home uses. So that's why we said there's too many homes. So they're thinking they're gonna use the South access. In either case, neither of the roads meets our criteria or standards.

But if it's a lane

Yep. If it's a private road, does it have to meet county standards?

Fire code. Fire code. Fire code. It have to meet fire code, which means it has to be 20 feet wide because we don't have hydrants there. We have to get water tenders in and back out. Yep. And so having a 20 foot wide road, those roads And it's It's difficult for me to get my jeep back there when we were doing river

work. The question I have in that is we we end change in the zoning, don't deal with the road width and all that other kind of stuff. That comes later when they apply for a building program.

You you do because when you look at zoning, you're looking at, does it have suitable items there necessary for them to do the work or the the development they wanna do? That's it. You still have ultimate flexibility on how to to wrangle this. When the planning commission looked at it, they looked up the accesses and they looked at Nibley City's letter and they declined it. And was it Nibley City's letter based on it being an r u two and not an r u five? Yes. And then we sent it back to them and said it's an r u five, and they said same letter applies.

They still wanted the same letter even with an r U

five. K. And that was their letter where they were talking about too many houses. They didn't say how many there were, but that was another So this is the 60 Well, she nearly got you can have a well protection area. So if you drill a well, you can't have what you have in protection area, then you send that to the state. But you have get approval for that from the state by the landowner. They did not do that. Had Nibley done that, we wouldn't have to worry.

That bridge down there to South, how wide is that?

It's in three sections. It's not 60 foot bridge. No. No. No. It's got three sections on it. One third of it has no decking on it, and then two thirds of it has concrete decking on it. So you just can't drive And so so fall through. That's what I looked at. That's that's basically a farm access is what this is. A farm access. Yes. When we when we were doing river work down here, we probed under this bridge. So you can see how there's no decking on this portion. You can walk on it, but you can't drive a vehicle on that. It's, you know, it's missing the six inches of concrete.

Well, what is it if it's not concrete? It's just like the steel base

frame. It's just like a steel plate. There's nothing there. So if you drove on it, you'd fall through. Is it a railroad car? What is it, Britney? I don't know. It's got a concrete deck. Yeah. I can see that, but on the top, it's also got a concrete it it's a it's not a spread footing. It's like a giant box culvert. But the the underneath part of that, concrete footer has nothing underneath it. We probed under there for 15 feet and found nothing material wise. It's all eroded. Josh, what is that? What is that? That was four or five years ago when we were doing river work for an edge. What's that that

that looks like an irrigation? Irrigation,

diversion structure. So that's one company is that concrete blocks across here and push the water into this diversion structure. Is that the Nibley? Can't remember which one that is, and that runs right up through here. Yeah.

That three one fifty two ninety. That road goes right down through the center of that property, I noticed. And how many feet are we talking from there all the way? The the farther you go, the wider the road has to be in for emergency and all that stuff. Past 150 feet, you need 20 feet. Just 20. And he's saying it's 60 feet. Right? Well Mhmm. He said it right right away. The right away, but not the road. Actually, no. He said the road was 60 feet. He said the road

was 60 feet wide. He did say the road. I think he meant the right of way. He meant the single road. Yeah. But we can dance and No. He said the right of way. He didn't say the road. He says it has a 65

a 60 foot right of way there, and when you cross the bridge, it's 65.

He said that after. At first, he said it was a single road and then he changed. Yep. So it's about 1,660

feet from Hollow Road back to their property on that south access.

And how long did you say that? Years and years and years ago when I used to be the president of that company, we'd go back there and put those blocks in that. Unless it's improved a lot, is it a very, very, very poor gravel road back into there? It it's difficult.

And

but I keep running in my mind that their request is to change the zoning on it, from 10 to five. And then after you've changed the zoning, apparently, they wanna build another home on that, and at which time, they have to address the fact of the bridge, and they've gotta address the fact of the of the road width and the road standard. You could take it that approach as well. We just looked at it and

said it's not a suitable place for development. That's what the planning commission looked at. I still am a little bit

question in my mind. They're talking like there was 90 acres of land up in there. Is that still there for these? Acres. To the east. Can you expand that a little bit and see? To the east of the property. Yeah. So that's that whole piece. No.

That's not even owned by him. Is it? That's the red portion that The red is a delinquent. Oh, the red is delinquent. That's not the property. Okay. 30401015. But I thought it was up east of their property to the north of their Which property are we talking about? Yeah.

That's Parcel 360 Triangle with a cutoff point. So there's a white house on it. Two parcels out from that red right there. That's the property red. 3369

and two is an 88 80 acre parcel.

Yeah. That one is That big one is it sees the these tillable ones up above. And so there may be some future plans, you know, to improve that branch and bring development up here. I I don't know, but I've never seen

So they aren't crossing that section one tax delinquent, are they? Yeah. They are. They are.

But it's not their property of someone else's.

No.

Not according to the case. Yeah. But there there seems to be some trouble with it because the access to that whole house you're looking at isn't off this road we're talking about. Right. No. There's the 12 foot road. This house, which is where they live currently, is getting access from this north. Yeah.

So they're I think they're they're proposing that they come in from the South, but that would require full redevelopment. Mhmm. Josh? Yes. Interesting that that south access, you know, that's got a parcel.

It's kind of yeah. That's that shape there. Yeah. That's owned by someone else.

Yeah. That little narrow strip with the road goes right down the center of that road. As far as I can tell, it's not an adjoining land owner. Yeah. No. Murphy's. I don't know. It's just

someone else Before they deeded the No. The right of way. Again, they can work through all the legal details for a right of way, etcetera. They could rebuild the road. They could fix the bridge. They could do all those things. The real question on a rezonal property is, is it an appropriate location for additional development?

That that's really the question you have to ask for. House. Well yeah. And it said in the letter from Nibali, it says Nibley is concerned that if the property owner were to be granted a rezone, that could result in potentially a half dozen more homes. Is that correct? That's because they didn't change their letter from the R U two to the L 0 five.

RU five would limit to one more house.

K.

And then the question for them would really be, is it is it financially reasonable to put that one home in with the amount of infrastructure they have to do. You know, you you can go either way here. Planning commission took their slant because they're trying to take a stance on where development makes sense. If you're

not too, concerned with all one home and they wanna work through the problems, then you can take the other way. It doesn't This is a legislative action? Legislative. So So what that means is courts will give deference to legislative bodies in making these types of decisions. It's not like a conditional use permit. They're bound by certain standards set forth in the development code where you have to issue a conditional use permit if they meet those standards. This is purely legislative in nature, and, of course, we'll give deference to legislative body.

Is that road off Nibley Hollow? Is that Nibley's Road down to the bridge? No. Because it had two owners on either side. That's right.

You know, I'm inclined to to rezone it because it's one house. And I think if they wanna work out all those details and pay for it, let them. You know?

I don't I don't think it's a it's a bad thing. I wouldn't have liked it in RU 2 and put in a bunch of homes with just one house. I don't think it's a big deal. That's just me. That's the way I'm laying on. I'm I'm laying the same way. To me to annex it to a five, but one more home in there. And, I mean, there is a lot of work to get that done for the planning commission. It's not an easy fix. Mhmm. I mean, you you say, okay. You can go ahead and and change the the zoning on that to a five. You can put another home in, but then you've gotta start dealing with the road. You've gotta deal with the bridge, and you've gotta deal with you've gotta deal with all that.

Only trouble is who's gonna

marshal it? Who's gonna check it? Who's gonna do it? The county has to. Right here. That's right. Josh is so good at that, though. You know? Yeah. It just takes it just takes time. Then the next thing you do is you'll have the same people here telling you that the standards are too rigid. You know? Well, we we we

we just They want they want you to put the garbage. Right. We just barely went through.

If you get a build, you gotta build next to a road where there's power and everything. Is it I'm not sure. But is that next to a road?

Well, he says there's power and stuff in there. Is that next to an oil road?

Or is that 1,600 feet of dirt road?

It's not much more than a dirt road. Well, I mean, that's the thing that he'll have to deal with, and that is he's gonna have to make an adequate road, just county standards to do it before he can get a building permit. Same thing with the bridge. So did we just turn down one in Mendon because they did they wanted to put their own road in, but we says no. The house isn't on the old road. It's back there.

Wasn't on any road at all, though? I can't remember.

You make a good point, Johnny. Well, I mean, let's be consistent, one way or the other. You make a good point.

Well, this is an existing trail, at least.

Which It it just makes it hard on the planning board. I mean, well, I don't know how hard something to do. No. They they go through this and they study it and they talk about it. They do. And then they say, well, this is kind of what we've been directing. So they made their recommendation. They said, oh, we didn't like that recommendation. Well We didn't get it yet. And I would I would just say this. I could almost go along almost with

Gordon and Gina if they'd been using that row at all for the house, but they're just switching midstream. They've been using the North Road. So now they're gonna now now they're searching around and say, where is the possible road? There's a cow trail down there. Let's just call that the one we're gonna use rather than the North Road. So if they've been driving on it to get to the house, maybe somewhere and venting a new we're venting a new road.

It isn't even a county road. That is a county road because it's been there for the ditch company's been using it for a hundred and fifty years. And so it is a road. It's just never had any development of any kind on it. And the only people that used to go back to that thing was just the water master to change the waters and stuff. And if you go look at that now, I haven't been there for probably ten years. But ten years ago, and I don't see any homes bill on it, it is a real poor you got weeds growing up in the two lane. That's how little it's used, but it is a county right away.

And we That's South Rosa County Roadway. On private lane. I thought it was a private lane. What is it? Is it a private lane? It's private. Yeah. And we have said we would allow roads

homes on private lanes. Lanes. But I thought it was up to 300 feet or 600 feet or something. Well, we'll allow up to three homes on a private lane. Yeah. But isn't there a distance?

There's distances and all that. They they can go through design exceptions. Yeah. The only thing I'm gonna tell you is they may tell you they're gonna come in from the South today. Well, Josh, in the If you remember Estancia, they they told us the South, the south, the south. South axis, south axis. Which road does everybody use?

North. Well, I there's a way to solve that, though. Let's tell them to end the road. And then they come after you want now we want you to improve that road that, you know, they said they wouldn't use, which is happening. But this is interesting as they also own the property just it's just interesting that they aren't just they're gonna only gonna build one home while they instead of going through this whole process here, they wanna just

Oh, you think in the future, they're gonna use that as an education program? It's just it's just interesting how that I think that's what Nibley City is afraid of too just by what's in that letter.

Well, before they were gonna use the other road, and there's too many homes on it. So now we've come up with plan b. This is just plan b to get a house where the other way wouldn't work. And the feeling was just what Josh said. Once the house is there, they're not gonna come this way. They're gonna go the other way anyway. But I don't know how you do anything about that. Yeah. You don't.

So we can, sit on it for two weeks and bring it back and see what y'all think in two weeks.

Yeah. Why don't you do that? Research it a little bit.

Gotcha. Only thing we've drafted at this point was that the record of decision for denial. So we'll let it sit as that unless there's other motivations. And and if you decide to go the other way next week, we can quickly draft that for the February 26 meeting.

I do have a question on that. Is it premature to put that on? Because I wonder if for the public it makes it seem like the decision's already made. We used to not

because of that fact. And then you guys started making motions anyways. And so what we've been doing is drafting the resolution or record decision or the ordinance based on the planning commission's recommendation. So that when you guys go to make a motion, there's at least something there. We used to always have a public hearing and then nothing on the agenda. Mhmm. And so that we could take all that public comment and then formulate a response and bring you back. You'll remember we used to ask you, how would you like us to proceed on this? Yeah. But then you started making motions right on the tail end of your public hearings. And so in order to be able to catch your motions Mhmm. We started bringing you either a record of decision or an ordinance immediately with the public hearing based on what the planning commission's findings were. Can we maybe Well, I'm pre style it as possible record of decision? We have a record we have a record of decision, but we don't have to act on it. Yeah. It's true. But just the public doesn't understand that. So if that was me, and I was looking at that, I was like, wow. Government already decided what they're gonna do, and it doesn't matter if I come and tell them anything. And we're That's kinda how they see things. And we're more than happy to go back because we had formulated this in a two step process for exactly that reason. We're more than happy to go back there, but you guys have to stop making motions after your public hearings for either approval or denial.

I do too. Just every once in a while, we're gonna run into one of these things where we may not agree with the planning commission. I would prefer to do what Gina says because

that's always bothered me. You have a public hearing and You've already got a pre determination. Have a public hearing. The public hearing, you're supposed to get all our information, then you're supposed to go back and think about it a while and then reach your decision.

And that's what the public hearing's for. Mhmm. So we gotta remember not to waive the rules and do when there isn't a resolution before us.

Yeah. But at the same time, after the public hearing, they the planning department will need to know what to draft. I mean, they need to know whether it's bringing That's why we you'll remember, like, two years ago, we used to ask you what's your leaning on this? Where would you like to see? Yep. Yep. Remember those conversations? Oh, yeah. Yeah. About Vividly. Beginning of last year, we stopped having those conversations because you guys started making motions and we just started trying to catch up. So we can go right back to that. It's no difference to us. It's two weeks extra in the process, but I think it's a cleaner smoother process. I think how we're doing it is great. I'll let you guys flip the coin. You let me know what you'd like. Let's take a vote on that. It'll be split.

Well, how come we gotta wait till February the February? Why can't we decide at the next meeting?

We can draft them both if you if you want both drafted for your next agenda. We just have to notice both that we've got a record decision and an ordinance.

Probably, we should do in this case, but all the other cases, I like it when it's pretty unanimous that it's gonna go through. Yeah. K. We'll draft you both for next Like P and D, there was no real controversy. There's been controversies in the past, but for the way you've done it now, been controversies in the past, but for the way you've done it now, it was okay. And it was obvious that we didn't have any concerns and neither did the planning commission. And I like the thing that you can do it, and then he can move on two weeks quicker or even a month quicker.

Well, maybe if it's a record of decision, maybe you could just put potential or possible or suggested or something so that it doesn't look like we've already decided. I think that's the issue. I don't mind if we have something there if it makes your job easier

as long as it doesn't look like Well, we're here to make your job easier. It's not our job easier. It's your job easier. We're trying to give you Just so I can clarify too. The bottom line is

if if it's a zone change, it remains in the same zone unless they are able to get, you know, four votes that passes an ordinance that changes the zone change. Yeah. The record of decision is really more for, like, conditional use permit where you're adjudicated in nature. I mean, I I'm fine, you know, doing that so we know what the ultimate result was. But really, in order to change the law in zoning, it takes four votes and an ordinance to do that.

Could we not? It says with this one, it says now the cash county council denies the Hollow Rezone. Could you just put a checkbox in there that says approves or denies? And that way or you have to do the whole thing. The reason for that is because

one takes an ordinance. And so you have to pass an ordinance affirmatively with four votes to change the zoning law.

Going back to what John made the statement that we'll build the home, and then they'll still use the North Road going against everybody else's saying that that's what you're gonna do when they're saying no. However, I do think that if you go through and make them make a nice road, make a nice bridge, that it would be far closer to come up the new road than it would be to wind all through that other one. And so I think that that would still be that they would use the new road, not the old one. Mhmm. So they would use the south instead of the north. At the end of the day, what we care about is fire access. Whether they use north or they use south, we don't care. But what we do care about is that we have a 20 foot wide,

all weather maintained year round surface that we can get fire engines in on. Across the 20 foot range. If they go north or south? Because if they come in on the other road, they got more houses on a private lane. If they can have a house, it can only come in on this side

with an improved road. But I can't really go out there and police it. But I can police the fact that if they've got a fire on a day like today and they never plowed that road and they never widened that road, we have about this much chance of

You just can't give a building permit until the other things are in place. Right. And once they're in place, I think you'll see them use the new road, better road than they would that

island. But if you approve the rezone, then have to hang it up on the building permit, how how much problem does that create? No. We go through that process all the time. You'll hear that we're being That just puts the onus on them.

Yeah.

You'll see the same argument now. It'll just be that we're acquiring too much road improvement or Yeah. We deal with that on a on a regular and ongoing basis. Yeah. The road's good and we tested it. Right?

Well, I stop on it. Just unless unless there's anything else, I I we'll have a I would propose that we,

defer any action. Yeah. At this point. We'll draft both options for your your February 12 meeting. And just so the notices,

that's gonna be continued for the next meeting with both options drafted, a record of decision and an ordinance. Is that

Do we need a motion for on that?

I think it's helpful to actually formalize it with a motion because you've noticed, what's hap you know, what's happening here and so

I'll move that we move this to the next meeting and that we have prepared for us both the record of decision and an ordinance approving.

One question on the motion for a vote. Is anybody gonna go look at it? What's gonna happen different next time in the next two weeks different than where we're at right now? I'm gonna dry it. That was my thought. I'm gonna drive over there. Okay. Somebody's gonna go look at it and study it fine. But if we're somebody come back and nobody looks at it. Let's do it today. Yeah. No. I'll go look at it. I I'm going to as well. I'll drive by. Okay.

You have a hard time getting there. You better have a four wheel drive. You better have a short hitch. Yeah. I had a hard time finding when I knew it was there. I'll drive by and bring a tow truck.

You need a second?

Second. Second.

Okay. All in favor of that motion? Aye. Aye. Thank you. Okay. Local legislators meeting fourteen a, Saturdays from seven in the morning till 08:30. Just making you aware.

Over here over in the Administration Building. Yeah. They wanted to start at seven instead of 07:30 this year.

And then we've got county day on the hill, Wednesday, February 13.

Yep. What day what time are we is that an all day thing, or what time are we going to be there? What I think we're done by one. K. You can leave or you can stay there

and spend time with the legislature. And and if you wanna go anytime Okay. You can you can go and call your legislator out and talk to him and go in and sit by him if you want to. Does that started at

08:00 or something in the morning? Was it

that early? Was it eight or nine? Kinda they've had that the general of the first gatherings.

Yeah. Right. Seems like eight. That's what I thought too, but I wasn't sure. We probably have to get account for Janine so that she could register everyone if they wanna go.

I'll be there. I want to go.

I'll I'll go. Temp Temple's closed that week. Okay.

That's right. Jordan.

Okay. We'll meet him tomorrow. We will meet tomorrow, though. Yeah. There's that That's no longer here. That's why I wonder.

Happy birthday, birthday, Joe. DCIO.

See if you like what UX doing or not.

The DCO Group. Yep. Anything else that we need to discuss? Council members? I I have a question on the Lincoln Day dinner. Anyone else? Oh, yeah. We were gonna That's what we wanted to do. Put in our report, but Chris is here. So If you're gonna put it in your report, I'll let you. Then we'll talk about it. I was just gonna say, here's my report. Please, Chris, come and tell You wanna come and tell us about Lincoln Day dinner, Chris?

Sure.

While he's get coming up here after we meet with the you act, we ought to maybe think about everybody going to that meeting at 07:00 with all our legislature and voice our Mhmm. Unhappiness about how we're getting funded at the jails. Mhmm. Yep.

I know the the governor had an additional $3.50, I think.

They They're you asked questions for free at least three more. It was supposed to be $70 agreed on. That's what I thought. That's already agreed, and $3 isn't gonna do that. It's gonna be 12.

There there are other counties also pushing that forward. So maybe together, unitedly, we can

Hey, John. I have your case. Cell phone number if you want it. You can call him right now. He's my neighbor. I see Casey

all over the place. There you go. Back to you, Sunday school with me. It just never comes.

Well, hey, I appreciate just a few minutes. I won't I won't keep you. You had a long meeting. And I appreciate you allowing me a few minutes. But so this year's Lincoln dinner is it was on the calendar for February 16 from the beginning of last year, like, from the from the time the dust settled on last year's dinner to to a couple weeks ago. And we had to move it to February 2. The reason being, because our keynote speaker, senator Mike Lee, we needed to accommodate his congressional schedule. And so so we pretty much moved heaven and earth to to make that happen and to get a different location. We had a couple options on the table for that location. One of which was the Cash Event Center, which, you know, we will look to we will look to that that in the future as we have more time to prepare for the event and to, you know, hopefully not, you know because we'd love to use that event center for the for these dinners and for our conventions and everything else that we're doing. So so it will be at USU up at the Taggart Student Center, the ballroom. Each of you, should have received an email and or a text from me at this point, about a table sponsorship. I have decreased, past, historically, our table sponsorship for county council or elected officials is $500 I've decreased that to 400, to encourage more participation from our county elected officials. You're welcome to sponsor a half table. A lot lot of years, people do that. Gina and James, usually split a table. Craig and Chad split a table. So and we appreciate the support very much. So Committees per table. What's that? Eight eight people per Eight per table. Yes. Yeah. Eight per table. And so and and so if you if you want a table, some of you have already responded to me. Let me know. If you want a table, Please respond to me. Let me know. We're trying to send those invoices out ahead of time to make sure that we're not out chasing money afterwards. And and we've never had to do that with any of the council members in my knowledge to my knowledge. But, so we do appreciate it. Senator Lee will be our keynote. We would like to have, we are gonna have some reports there, some legislative reports from our, current state legislators. We'll have a report from Senator Romney, either from himself or from his office. We'll also report, same thing with, Congressman Bishop. In that note, we would like to have a report from either from the county council or from our county executive, seeing as how we are all of the same cloth and with being Republicans. So presented as well. Just a very brief, you know, report so that people know that, you know, kinda get that update. So any questions about anything? What time does it start? So it starts it. So we'll start. There's a reception beforehand. That's from six to seven. That's when you'll kind of check-in, get your check-in, get your dinner tickets, have a seat. We are because we're holding holding it on campus, we are using USUCATOR. We're doing a two entree buffet this year. So a little easier with that number of people that we're expecting. In fact, they just kinda told me they wouldn't do anything else but a buffet, because of number of people that we're expecting to they were anticipating. And so program starts at seven. Senator Lee will have some we have some awards. We have some things that we're gonna present. One of which will be to honor Greg Merrill for his service on the council or his years of service on council, and to the, you know, to the community, to, you know, to those districts in Logan. So we'll be honoring him. We'll have our other we have two other awards, our Spirit of Lincoln award, which goes to a a local business, local community a local business. We've got four or five nominations right now. So if anybody thinks of any any other nominations, please text me. Let me know. We're gonna be deciding on that Thursday night in our executive committee meeting. Right now, I think it's, Lee's, Lee's Marketplace. Pepperidge Farm is another one. I'm drawing a blank. Anyway, there's some others on there. There's, like, four, five four, five businesses we've got on there at at the moment. And then we've got some individuals that we're considering for our strength in the community award as well. We've got some individuals that we've kind of pinpointed for their contributions to our community and other outstanding, you know, efforts. And then there's also, at the request of the governor's office, we are gonna be honored to Tara Warner, for her years of service on the state school board and for all that she does for Cash County as a victim's advocate. We're going to be off honoring her as well. She doesn't know that yet. So if you see her or talk to her, let's not let the cat out the bag. She will find out eventually. But if she's watching, she'll probably not find out. But She ain't got time to watch. Right. Exactly. She probably didn't have time to watch. But but anyway so we will be honoring her as well. And that was a request from it came from the governor's office, Tammy Pfeiffer, secretary of education for the governor. And so either governor Herbert or lieutenant governor Cox will be present to present that award to her. So we're not sure which or both may both may attend. I don't know. So anything else? Any questions? Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thank you very much. Oh, one other thing really quick. With regards to our local, our weekly meetings with the legislators, so one of the things that we would like to do as the county party, and I'm going to be discussing this with our executive committee Thursday night. But one of the things that we, as a party, would like to do is to to show that, you know, to show that we support that. Obviously, they're, you know, they're all Republicans, that we would like to be added as a potentially added as a cohost of that weekly meeting with the legislators. And we are going to propose on Thursday night that we actually provide muffins or danishes or juice or whatever every week. You know, I don't know how that works, you know, how that works. But I'd like for us to contribute to that and show our support, you know, for that. Because I think it, you know, it's very important. I know I've already got comments. I've already had some questions and calls and texts about it. When does it start? Is it going to start this Saturday? You know, what are the times? All those things. So we're doing some of those things there. And and we're working also with legislators to meet with governments governors or government the GYC, government youth council. Barry, we're government youth council. They're meeting some of our legislators are meeting with them this Thursday night to go over some things leading up to the the legislative session that starts next week. So

Okay. Thank you. So if you got they're not going to do it the week before the legislature starts like they did last year, but actually start on the February 2?

I don't I don't know. That's what we were that's what we were told. Right. I mean, yeah, that's that's kinda what I was planning is the is the the Saturday after you know, the first Saturday after session starts. I just wanted to clarify and make sure that Right. We're planning on before. No. We're not planning on January 26. We're not doing that. I'll be at softball practice.

Okay.

Yeah. Thanks. Alright. Thank you. Gina, anything else?

I do. Yes. Report? Two things quick. Once I talk I talked to Craig McAllister, and he would like to, have a little historic display outside his office with some of the old the old books that they have of old things that the treasurer's office did, and I told him to get us a bid. He wants to have, like, a little display table that we look at, which sounds like a great idea. So he's excited about that. So I asked him to just, you know, get a bid and kinda we'll go from there. The other thing is I'm part of the USAC legislative committee, and I did talk to Sean Milne. Barbara, I know you're interested. I'll just have to pass stuff off to you because he didn't wanna have two people from the same county That's fine. Which makes sense. But we will be having a phone call tomorrow, and so I just wondered if there was any specific legislation you wanted me to bring up in that that we want USAC to support or look at or be aware of that we can help push in UAC as well. I I forgot we were meeting. I guess we met last week and talked about it, and I forgot to come. So apologize.

Senator, senator Harper's bill on transportation Okay. The one that will expand the ability for our county to, have more options with the transportation funding as far as transit so that we can negotiate with transit district for for that quarter of a cent. Okay. I I have talked to to Todd Beutler and CVTD. It's probably not gonna be down there fighting force, but they're not gonna fight against that. Oh, that's good. Okay. I believe the language is already in the bill, but we're hoping I know Jeff Gilbert mentioned to me that the CMPO has been or the COG has been putting a certain portion of their funding aside for rural projects. I know Trent and Lewiston Paradise has has gotten some of that money in the last couple years. Right now, that would be taken out of of the of the COGS ability. So that needs to be put back in the bill. Okay. I'll work with Jeff Gilbert on that and see if we can get that ability put back in the in the bill because, you know, we don't have the what is it? The terminology they use. It has to be a It has to be maintenance on a classified road. Classified. Okay. So those are mostly collector. Right? We don't have

Okay.

So what did on that other part, you know, they we were gonna be reclassified, then they put a hold on county reclassification, didn't they? So we're still That legislation So if that passed, we should be able to do what two was, which shouldn't I think we should be 10%, shouldn't it? Yeah. We should follow both

legislation. Make sure they both legislation.

Make sure they both pass. Represent Wilde? Wilde is sponsoring that change of classification. So that's when we we need to follow to. Okay. Good. And then the jails. Jails. Good. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's not up for anything legislation.

Isn't it? Or is it in the budget? Well, that would be a budget issue. A budget issue. But still, that's something that we need to mention. So okay. Any others? Okay. I'll try to keep you posted.

Just happy to be here.

Barbara.

Yeah. I, I've had some really good visits since our last county council. I visited with Dayton Crites and Sheriff Jensen and Amy Adams and James Swink and Lee Edwards, and some good things coming out. I did go to that meeting with the, cash cow the joint jails committee. I wasn't quite sure what I was doing there, but I listened and I learned. And and is I discussed some of the items with sheriff Jensen and and taking some notes. They're they are asking for additional money for, programming, but the the amount that they came up with for a daily rate was an increase or anyway, they're looking like about $72 a day on that $72.15. And I don't know if there was some follow-up discussion on that, Craig, or not on any calls. Okay. They're looking at a at a three year rate, looking out of about $98, a little over $98 on it. So and

Which is what's set aside right now almost Yeah. Before that. Yeah. But you did it preliminary.

They they were looking there were it's a representative Eric Hutchings there, and apparently, he's the representative for the joint jails committee and had a good discussion on that. Senate bill two zero five, I haven't really looked into it, but it has to deal with death in the county jails, and they're looking at some legislation

on that. Senate senate bill two zero five passed last time. It's a reporting requirement bill. And so this year, now that they have the data on the deaths and and county jails and what the principal primary cause of death, They're looking at funding some, like, mental health options. There's a meeting Thursday that the group I'm I'm the representative for counties from the second to the sixth class. So I'll be going with our jail commander down to the capital Great. To review what new legislation may come out of the senate bill two zero five from last year.

Good. Thanks, Lee. With Dayton, he he's expecting a baby, so he was he's kind of a little bit on on that more worried about that. But he has a great plan that he's working on and different things that are going up on with that is mass he's continually working on his master plan and then the bike lane from Smithfield clear down the Hiram and different ways to look at that. Sheriff Jensen, he just it was more or less a orientation for me so that I could learn, you know, about the gel and what was going on there. And and eventually, I'll do some drive alongs, and he's going to take me into the gel itself and let me take a look at the gel that way. This is with Amy. We talked about the compensation committee and what she was looking at in the for that, looking to, again, get her master plan. And as a surprise to me, pay plan for the county. So that's going pay plan for the county. So that's going to be one of her big undertakings is to get going on going on that. And that's and I had talked with James today, and that's about it on my report. Thanks, Barbara.

Gordy?

Question. I don't know if this council can help me or if Lee can. I had a an individual that serves on the the cemetery committee out there in Dibley and in Millville, and he was telling me that they're wondering what procedure they have to take to expand their taxing area. He said that, Nibley and Milville both Vanex property, but it hasn't been changed on their ability to take those new properties and and be able to levy a tax against them. What Lee or Josh, what what is the procedure to expand that so that they are able to take in all of the city limits

that have not have not been done. There is a state code provision. Since they're a special service district, they have to follow the annexation provision for special service districts. And I can give them the code sections, but I don't represent that entity. So I can't

I thought that I had already sent the code.

I I I sent a code to Craig and because that question He didn't ask yet. Well, it would have been Randy. But Jim and Randy and their committee was wondering, they don't know how to do it. They've never done it. And and so I guess they're just asking asking for some direction.

That that's the direction. The other thing that they might be able to do is is work with the Utah Association Special Service Districts as far as, like, pulling resources to assist them in accomplishing what they want to accomplish. Yeah. It it can be done under state code. It's just that we can't do it for them because they're a separate entity.

Yeah. Our county attorney can't do their work for them, you know, as a dispute. So what would they what would they do? They would go hire a private attorney to to do that? The specials the special service districts, they do have resources. They do have individuals that can walk them through it. Yeah. There's a a web page if you that they can go to the Utah Association Special Service Districts

that may have some, like, combined resources to help them with issues like that. I can give them the state code. I don't have a problem doing that, but I can't represent them in

Jim?

I I know Lee sent me the information. I'm pretty sure that I forwarded it to Jim. But if he hasn't gotten it,

let let me know. Call back. I mean, I I just realized if I was if I was one of those guys on that committee and I had to do it, I wouldn't know where to go. I mean, it's something out of their league. But committee and I had to do it, I wouldn't know where to go. I mean, it's Something out of their league. They still need to do it. And they're still willing to do it. It's just an easy and started.

I'm the guy that's all the special districts is named Bitter, and I've got his contact information. I can get that to to Jim also. But, runs in my mind that I had forwarded him back. Already done that. If not, have him get back in touch with me.

Alright. That's all I have. Thanks, Gordy. Paul?

2 quick things. One of them is I've attended the economic outlook and public policy summit by the Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce. So I just I I've got some of that data in electronic format. I'll send it to you. It's their legislative priorities. And let you kinda digest that as we move into what the, you know, meeting with our legislatures. I think maybe some of the things that Salt Lake Chamber and Salt Lake County is trying to push may not quite be what we necessarily wanna see. So at least I'll give that to you so you can see what just three words. I attended the State of the City, the Logan City Council meeting last week. Something to be thinking about, plastic bag ban. They would love to push that onto

all of all of us. Yeah. I've been I I we could we could we could I'm not I I I'm not even sure where that's at if you'd like.

We did go to that meeting. It's Yeah. Kinda influx right now. Yeah. But that's that's still, I know, a hot button issue that they would

maybe approach y'all on. I don't know. You can tell that they've got a a letter writing campaign to the journal now. Yeah. Mhmm. And

yeah. So The the advisory board, we told them, you know, it's a struggle with education. Let's see what we can do. People recycle them, and we gotta have a massive quantity to do it. Oh, yeah. And we thought maybe we ought to get a little more education.

That'd be good. Because I think Logan at least what they're gonna try to do, the the Logan city council will say, hey. We don't we won't take any action on this. We want it at the county level. So whatever pressure they're feeling.

Yeah. It's

a mod's the one pushing it. There might be a bill in the legislature that keeps cities from causing such a ban. I've heard so many things about that. An anti ban ban? An anti ban ban. Say that fast by the time.

So there you go. That's all. Dave?

I don't have anything.

And I'll I'll just report that Craig and I went down to the UAC board meeting last week. It was my first time being there, but I don't know. Craig, anything of significance that came out of that for you? Before I talked

to executive director, you know, salary and that type of thing. So I I can't tell you what happened there. But they are wanting to get into more economic development, working mostly with rural county. Counties, I think, that don't have that ability to do economic development. They've hired an individual to do that. It seems like we've got all kinds of resources as far as economic development right now. And I was just gonna bring up another. We're members of the EDC Utah. We've been members in the past. I think it's interesting that it I got a an email today from EDC Utah. It's their they call it their economic minute. And the title was employee number one rejoins EDC Utah to lead community strategy initiative. And so I read through that employee number one is actually the first person that was ever employed by EDC Utah. His name is Alan Remlitzbacher. He's from Amalga, and he's a class classmate of mine. And so I think we probably ought to I would like to approach Alan and say, Alan, come up come back up to Cache Valley. Give us a little guidance as far as what direction, which one of these organizations, and how should we move forward. You know? Maybe the the economic development alliance could have him come up and kinda speak and Yeah. That'd be awesome. Tell us, okay. Which direction is the best way to go? Once we get our strategic plan, let's let's have him, you know, take a look at it and maybe give us

some some ideas. His dad is my principal in grade school. I think I saw him a few times. Come on. His dad. He's a good man.

That is fair.

Come to Jesus moments.

Well, I thanks, Carl. I I think the board the board meeting was good. I think we've got a I think we've got a a board that it's not just the same people. We've got it looks like there are a lot of new faces. New faces in there. That's what they've been recorded. Yeah.

Anything else? Alright. Let's adjourn.