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in their application i support them i understand but i feel that i'm being bullied in their application now that being said they want us to support 10 percent of their budget but if you go to this sheet in their in their uh application that lists all of their money and you go down and you look at their expenses and their income it's inflated okay if you look down the income side you see it says utah theater 150 000 of income and if you go over and look at the expenses there's 150 000 they have they have rented the theater the utah theater out to themselves and they show 150 income and 150 expense and if you go down and look at the apartments they've got the apartments in at a half a million bucks in their income and if you go you find out that the 450 000 that we're already giving them is about 10 of their budget and they're asking for more by inflating their budget numbers and i think that we've been very fair with them and anyway i just they did tell me that that i i met with them or they they asked to meet with me about this and they told me that's what they were asking for was ten percent they've been out yeah but they're but they're inflating their budget to get the temperature to get to get to that temperature they're inflating their budget what we have given them in the past represents ten percent of what their real budget is okay what their real budget is okay because what they've done in the past also is continually increase their expenses but their revenue because utah theater only holds so many people echoes the center only holds so many people and so the matter they keep saying we need more money because our expenses are higher well what's happening in my opinion is that basically they're taking something that they've always been able to fill to capacity their seating they can't get any more but yet their expenses they have more shows now and so forth but they can't get any more revenue to help with their expenses and like bruce said they just keep in my opinion they keep inflating what their expenses are okay so so based on on that concern would you like to make a recommendation for a different amount yes can i speak before you do yeah i i don't from from my standpoint to people that i represent i don't think that that for total they are they're asking for 620 000 i don't think that represents the county the people who are served by that in the total amount of money does that make sense i think one of their arguments is that they bring in all of these people that are generating all of this sales tax and reid pointed out that they didn't have any activity this last year and our sales tax went up yeah well is that why you brought that up it was it was a weird year for sure i so is what you're saying you're not sure you like the idea of spending so much on this because you feel like their service that they provide doesn't necessarily serve everybody in the county everybody in our county but there's a counter to that too you need to understand that they are bringing in part of the reason that some of those summer citizens come which benefits all of the county to have them here and going to the summer citizens program which we haven't gone through yet it's basically the same thing the summer citizens have been here for years the reason they keep coming back is maybe before the opera yeah they were always here there was a bunch of people that would be here who started the summer citizens program do you know they bring yeah they bring them in and live in their facilities they lived in their facilities to start with you make a good point dick i've never been to the opera i i don't understand it i don't understand it it doesn't seem interesting to me uh so they they've they've not ever served me directly and i i think i know a lot of people who haven't however um they do bring in tourists and and i think there are a lot of things on this list where like well there are a lot of things on here i've never been to right and let me speak in their behalf also though is that they do have an outreach program that goes to elementary schools and i have been because of my grandchildren to some of those presentations where they go in and they they help these kids learn to sing and write scripts and act and make costumes and they are marvelous presentations that bring culture to those kids in schools throughout the camp not just throughout the county they go outside of the valley sometimes i this is something i always say i've been saying this for a while i i make the claim that cash county has more arts and culture per capita than anywhere else and i don't know if there's a way really to measure that or quantify that but i believe it's true we have a lot of arts and culture here and that's one of the things i love about our county i love the fact that we have all of that and i think it's something that translates into so many other areas of quality of life for our community including even things like public safety and uh and and that's why i i am supportive of the arts and i'm supportive of this organization there may be some questions about whether or not they serve everyone i agree they don't that probably you'd probably say that about everyone on this group um the question really is i in my mind is this a good investment for us let me let me make a recommendation okay based on my numbers i took their budget numbers i took the 150 000 that they put in there for the utah theater i took the 525 000 for the apartments i took 80 000 out for their non-cash contributions they have people that volunteer that they valued at 80 000. so i took those numbers added them up they came to 755. 10 of that is 75 000. then i took their 453 000 that they requested and i backed off 75 000. that came up with 398 how much did we give them last year between all their projects last year we gave them 350 000. so this if we gave them 398 that would give them a little bit of an increase then it went to the county council and they got another 60. and then there was some uh there was some uh of this one then give them 398 000 and that gives them the additional is in there what's that the additional amount is included in those numbers okay so that number counts the extra money okay so we we from this committee gave them less than that than that number okay they're asking for 620 000 altogether oh that's right 453 plus 150. yeah so can we can we come up with a number for all of those projects they're asking for well they've got what 55 53 54 50 there's been five projects there could we give them five hundred thousand dollars and i asked uh interject one thing we also from the county gave them 185 thousand dollars in code money last year and they will be able to apply for more code not necessarily that's not correct that's not correct um okay we have the county has not decided what they're doing with the coveted money this year there hasn't been any decision to open it up for more applications or anything so um that's still to be determined we still don't have the rules from the federal government what exactly we can use the money for so there hasn't been any determination and i don't know if the county is going to want to do that so that's um that hasn't been determined see they increased their cash from 10 to 41 000 up to four exactly six thousand their position increased about what we gave them i have been in one of those promotional meetings as well when they've come to my office i think some of you have said i i'm sorry so they my understanding is my understanding is they didn't have any income last year because they cancelled everything but they also laid everybody off and didn't really pay anybody so that is what basically kept them about even it looks like plus which which when they came in for that money that they needed that to make sure that these 20 employees would be around true and you know that we'd be they'd be able to still be able to uh get things ready for the next year and everything and i don't know whether how much that really happened you know that's what i was worried about when the increase all sudden the cash up i go we just gave up a pot of money again andy did yesterday i'm just a little concerned about their future um i am assuming that vanessa bellum is perfectly capable of carrying on but michael is not young and so i i don't know how the organization is going to continue and uh it's a little kind of scary thing to talk about i guess that's that's a good question i don't uh don't know what their future holds as a county council we even sent carl ward to be on their on that committee to oversee those things and he came back as a astounding voice but but we didn't get any details so you you made a comment about money and then it sounded like you were making a recommendation dick if if we gave them five hundred thousand dollars out of this 620 000 that they asked for that's still a very generous stream of money that's for the five projects altogether i thought i had in 2016 we gave them 245 2017 285 59 2018 310 2019 350. and last year 235. so i'll say this i i said earlier that i'm not necessarily a fan of opera i've never been to such a thing and perhaps i'm not cultured enough but however i view them as a critical piece of our economy and even though i'm not a fan of their particular brand of art i am convinced that they are very critical to our economy to our summer citizen program and to our overall art culture and community in cash county and i i am supportive of funding them uh i however i would i would also be supportive of some alternate proposals for different amounts so i just wanted to put that out there my apology there are only four products okay so four projects one sorry dick were you making a recommendation i would recommend we give them five hundred thousand dollars and that's still a pretty generous one that's extremely and it's extremely generous you have a particular a recommendation of how you'd like to split that up to them and let them decide how they want to use it is that can we do that betty you really ought to do it by the end yes buy the application so we could fund 450. i i'm inclined my recommendation would have been 400 but i'm willing to go 450 but i'm uncomfortable with 500. okay i feel the same way so i think i'm more into that 425 to 450 that's where i as i look at it i still think that's with the the fewer number of projects they have this summer which they have scaled back to five i believe whatever they gave us whatever that hundred thousand more than we've given them ever in the past right five projects was it five was it five on that five five shows usually yeah i thought the period time was was condensed quite a bit too from only yeah okay so let's do this let's figure out our total amount we want to give them and then let's figure out how we want to divvy it up between their applications okay so um so i heard 500 450 i was 450 again and i will second the fourth people okay so i i hear a motion and a second for 450 is there any further discussion on the total amount of 450. okay hearing none all in favor of 450 000. any opposed to that okay so now that we've determined that that's what we're going to give them do you want to just put it all in this project 53 and not on the other ones no or do you want to split it up no we need to send a message by where we put it okay so um so what would be your recommendation then or let's start with project 53 on the first page where they asked for 452 000. what's your recommendation for how much we give them there wait where 300 to that on the first page of our scoresheet of project number 53 they asked for 452 000. 350. 125. which one is 125. what's that what number is 125. uh 54. i'm sorry 54 125 370. i recommend that we allocate nothing to the utah theater marketing nothing to marketing and on number 55 the utah theater operations i recommend nothing there okay so that leaves the other two projects that would get split with the 450. and what what's your recommendation on those two uh i recommend fifty thousand for marketing and four hundred and four hundred okay to ensure the financial support okay so i'm gonna i'm gonna recognize that all as one motion to split up the 450 uh by giving 400 to project 53 project 53 giving 50 to project 54. 54 and that the other two projects not be funded so i have a motion uh from bruce in a second from dave on that and is there any further discussion on that split no okay hearing none all in favor say hi are you okay with that i can't tell your team okay okay yeah because there's there's been a controversy over the years over the the utah theater that is something that was pushed through by one person right to you know whatever reason it has been pushed through by one person and and i understand your concerns but i also know that my daughter was able or my grandchild was able to go and have a play there and enjoyed it and i i thought it was a great thing so i can see the value of it so i wouldn't want us to necessarily i guess or not i think we all feel that there is definite value to it and they're they're the only ones that i rank like five if you will right so i feel strong that they are tonight and i kept ranking very high also i honestly feel just what bruce said it's almost like if you don't do this then this is what's going to happen i guess i just want to make sure that it survives because i have appreciated as a venue it's been good for their little dance team and yeah and it's a great great community and it is more local i think for the record i think the key to the survival of that is not us just giving them money but the key to me is to change some management within there and look local because it is because there is talent on talent look local on talent and i think your costs would come down and you know i think it would be your you even go utah just look local we don't have to go to new york to find the quality of people i can do those things i would hope that i think that's the survivability and that's the support that you're also you would see support locally like crazy i think if not just the quality of the production but when pete local people are you know that's that's just my point of view i'll put that on the record okay okay if we go along with that point of view then do we need a lot of money for marketing oh the marketing is it's for the utah theater right so yeah i still have a zero okay so i'm going to call the question on this all in favor of the distribution that we just explained say hi all right any opposed to that okay sounds unanimous thank you 400 400 400 on project 53 and 50 on project 54. zero zero and the other two were zeros next project on our list is project number 19 100 000 requests from cash arts for facilities and i think they had a couple too right and they're getting back and going they're they're ramping up and i had them at 90 000. in the last two years we've given them 90 000 in 20 and 19. if you want 90 000 a piece and i would i'd support the 100 or the 100 is this their only one no they had no they've got one on the page five well they've got about they got 19 20. okay so we have three projects for them on page one projects nineteen and twenty right four hundred thousand and forty thousand and then on page five project 21 for 25 000. what discussion do we have about those three okay like i said the 19 was in the past 90 and 90. on number 20 we gave him 40 and 40. i said 44 hours i thought 2020 in 2019. yeah so i i wouldn't be opposed to finding a 40 000 number 20 number 19 for 90. number 20 for the 40. 21. on page 5. i have them at 15 but that's each game about 32 basically a hundred thousand dollars back center which i thought was yeah very interesting that's nice this is so one of the best run run facilities if not the best i've served on the board for seven years i'm not on the board now but i've served on the board and when the hassan is just they have great uh develop their uh own and are accumulating investments that will support that in the future they were the they cut a deal with the festival opera company to use the facility to give them at a better rate which they're not using this year the opera will not be using that theater this year that's right but when they are using the which once again as you talk about utah that means it's even a smaller amount of revenue that can be generated again expenses we're up here we're cutting our expense so we can get money into the utah operation sorry i shouldn't have thrown us back but so you were you said 90 and 40. 90 40 and i would actually boost that to 20 for this nation if that's okay okay so we have a between the two of us we got a motion we have a motion from from reed i'm going to take uh for for 90 40 and 20. yes and i'm taking dave as a second on that i'll sit down okay uh is there any more discussion on that so the proposal is for project number 19. give them 90 000 project number 20 give them 40 000 and project number 21 give them 20 000. any further discussion on that seeing none all in favor say aye aye any opposed okay that's unanimous next project cache valley cowboy rendezvous and they're actually asking quite a bit less than what they have in the past and they do amazing they they had a i went to it this year down there and for covet and everything they did an amazing job yeah and i i love these organizations that have the backbone to go ahead and let's do something even though it's protocol they still worked through things i is that a motion to give them ten thousand dollars yes for me yes second promotion in a second for me you can increase it because it was nine thousand nine hundred that's what is it yeah i just rounded it up when i suggested that what was that in the past i think it was like twelve and right well okay right 12 questions eight eight yeah they only requested nine nine nine so but they know that they're going to be doing a little bit scaled back you know this year this next year they actually budget for what they're going to do instead of asking for the skype okay so we have a motion and a second for ten thousand dollars for them any more discussion about that all in favor say aye all right hi i have a question do you want to give them more than what they asked for yeah just to keep our numbers round that's why he said it's a hundred bucks that's 100 i like round numbers so far so far the smallest number increment we've had is five thousand dollars so i don't wanna i wanna break that pattern okay so uh was anyone opposed to that motion i think that was unanimous okay the next we have is cash daughters of utah pioneers asking for seventy five hundred dollars any thoughts is this their only project yeah it was i believe it is yeah what number are they eighteen i move we give them all the money okay we have a motion from dick for all the money did i hear a second from becky okay uh any more discussion about that i have a little heartburn there but just a second i would like to see him open up a little bit you just never hear much it kind of seems to be a click i'd like to i'd like to see them a little more exposed in some place or something that's just you know i think their pigeon holed into some little area over here that they have a hard time people just don't go to it is hard because i've i have interest in that and that i've never managed to make it down there yeah well you've got to check it out and i keep thinking yeah they need to partner with some more high traffic areas somewhere they really do that'll be ideal but too they get the money last year we allocated it 5000 wasn't it last year in their application um they were going to be closed last year uh i know they were remodeling the entire building north northern title bought the whole building and they were doing bunch remodeling there was a period of time when they were completely shut down but i don't know what so i'm not quite sure if they use the 7 500 for it i think they've claimed some for utilities and some maintenance there's not that much money but i was just curious but i'll support the motion i just would i i think it's got some tremendous merit i would just like to see a little more exposure i guess there's no way i agree you know and maybe down the road as as maybe a county museum is developing or something somewhere that they could partner in and get more exposure i know that north logan kind of wanted to do a children's could they work some way with that essentially ask gina about that put a museum out there the heritage center yeah that'll be how you get it high exposure like that idea what's that good idea yeah i well it's been brought up and i i almost got shot as fast as i did with copen this morning but anyway so we have a motion and a second for 7 500 for utah pioneers any more discussion about that if not all in favor say aye hi hi any opposed okay that's unanimous thank you next cash children's choir has a twelve thousand dollar request where you gave them two dollars we gave them five and five in prior years and i think they just put 12 000 in there automatically uh because they've been happy with the amount we've lived in the past i mean again it's not talking that much money but it's just the fact that that sounds like what they do we don't have much music in the schools and here's an opportunity for for kids to come together they get excellent leadership uh if they have enough money then they can get more music i mean it is an expensive kind of thing is that a motion andy it wasn't meant to be but uh i can make it into a moment it's a motion to do well let's give them the money so 12 000. okay there's a motion for 12 000 was that dick i heard it over here get in a second second for 12 000 for cash children's choir any more discussion about them i'd like to look and see what they're going to use it for first generation expenses including staff salaries expenses funding for the summer music institute of the music and this is what i was looking at it serves 120 youth ages 3 through 16. 12 000 for 120 see that's the kind of thing i don't know that i'm comfortable with you are comfortable with i'm not you're not comfortable with 100 a kid you're not comfortable with how many how many patrons did utah opera have they're 450 000. i bet they're over 100 bucks per person i'm sure they are right i feel like that's a good and a good level it seems to me that uh i feel that we haven't yeah i don't know how much they could expand it or would want to expand it but i think that i think it's worth it because those kids who are involved and anyone can apply but those who are accepted to be in this organization get a quality education in music so it's it is a it is capped at 120 on the choir size i don't know how about if we took the 500 they want for t-shirts out and uh funded the rest of it you don't want to film the teachers well i'm just i i like t-shirts but t-shirts t-shirts the t-shirts i saw you said teachers this is the dialogue that we have and this is terrific this is a wonderful dialogue and therefore i would move to amend the main motion and strike out the number 12 000 and insert 10 000. i second them okay so we have a motion or substitute motion for 10 000 with this second there's a motion from dave and the second from reed any further discussion about that motion okay hearing none i'll call and that's why we always use pencil too okay okay i'll call for the vote on that all in favor of cash children choir getting ten thousand dollars say aye aye aye any opposed next smithfield city children's theater we're going to do alibaba and then find the full thing the full amount we've i'm guessing excel can handle that okay uh all in favor say hi all right any opposed okay so we're done with page one and i i paid one and i by the way i did love i loved the details that they had in there exactly where those i mean they almost went to the paintings where things were going different places okay let's go ahead and take a recess right now uh it's 11 40. let's try to be back here uh in seven minutes i have to move my car okay i don't get a ticket okay for 10 minutes are you rounding that up or down

so 10 minutes let's grab your food it's in the room right behind me here grab your food take a restroom break uh stretch your legs and bring your food back here and we'll eat it here as we continue on page two and it's got your names on the top so you know hey thanks just notice this is dead i hope it was recording somewhere else you are kidding me thank you for getting that was it recording somewhere else i hope i checked the battery i thought it was perfect no you're right um and the video is still going okay so i can i can get all right okay good i'm not i didn't write down who made motions or any of that stuff for minutes but i think i can see um from the video at the beginning i wasn't necessarily mentioning who made the motion and then i realized that so i've been trying to mention who made them maybe you know everybody's voice i feel like they're just trying to twist you oh yeah yeah and if you don't do this yeah that's what i brought up yeah i just i read their presentation and i just yeah like you i feel like you're twisting my arm they have 12 and a half million have been asses buildings so i mean when i met with batman he said oh he says i'm not quite sure how they may give leave my kids forever yeah put it up here for you yeah if you don't mind i appreciate that david thank you you're welcome looks like he's ready for a refill that's right we still get the same draw that's right people it's just water okay i'll start again so remind me of your name bruce cook bruce cook cook all right and what is what is your professional background for many years i have been a tax accountant to cpa i appreciate the great big book betty oh she's on the phone i'll tell you what that's not easy to put together oh i said working lunch but we fill our mouths we're not going to be doing what maybe that'll make you go faster we'll start agreeing with a lot more position okay oh um i wanted to talk to you about um the drainage districts this was my thought we're gonna have people come in again and say their peace you and i should have a discussion yep this one is after we've heard from all of them and figure out what we want to recommend and i know some of them may not be able to get there thank you more than that yeah i know some have already reached out to me says i can't be there that night but i know them very well yeah and i think we're only most of them were just about the number of applicants i think there's only one yeah so that's what i was thinking because i know you know probably most of these people and i would like to see your input before we make it right even that same night i think i missed that the most did whatever we need to do some of my notes reached out to me so they wouldn't be able to be down the road though i think they're in the process of maybe combining only one drainage district who do i pay for this better with that big project wasn't that big irrigation road are in favor though and some still aren't but uh and then out there on southwest citizens all the rocky mountain power ground but it has river fronting and a road but they would they were hoping that we would work with them and maybe good people out there let them do the let them have the north porch for a pump station bring it up to them and then we take the south portion and create a boat ramp a little parking area represent people canoes and people that can you know get on and off the river right there which i'm going i uh there's another recreational opportunity so anyway that discussion is already being had i haven't heard from them yet but yeah chad and i'm meeting with them next wednesday i'll keep you abreast on that but they're having a i've kind of invited myself to it because of uh training district issues and so but they're meeting next and it's two years out you know well one to two years but i told them i said this would be a wonderful little opportunity for some person we could make more of the counties apply for some raps money that yeah open that old parking area as a matter of fact it's kind of sad but it's right where that young boy that went off the road on his little trike and went into the river and was killed this is where it was about a month ago couldn't find one we could afford interest in the arts okay it's been 10 minutes and everybody's back thank you all for for being quick and grabbing your food let's uh jump back in to our next item and uh i was talking to dave he thought maybe we'll speed it up because there won't be any opposition their mouths will be

which you know what to me that is terrific so that kind of involvement i think is what the arts are really all about in a lot of ways and i hate to take that away from the arts give them so much money that they don't you know they are they don't bring those families together like that i think okay we have a proposal on all three of these before us are there any alternate proposals if you want to add more do you think there should be more i wish i knew i'm too green i really don't know one of the oh pretty good things that i was a little bit concerned about with the cash or the four seasons one of the expenses is company credit card twenty thousand

dollars operations costumes are all in a different category there is a category that says company credit card 20 grand a lot of customers total income 115 000 from ticket sales 70 other types of incomes reps they budgeted 25 but their request was 45. if their rentals their facility rental was quite a bit lower though for no in all every year i theater rent seven grand but in their budget for the 2021 budget projection they budgeted 25 000 from raps for their budget and they've asked for 45. good catch there and at the top of the second page it says company credit card 20 grand right there backdrops they've listed their advertising their labor is that a balance they have from previous years i have no idea but they're budgeting for a ten thousand dollar surplus with 25 000 from wraps but they've requested 45. but if you want to give them more that's okay my proposal is for 30 right now yeah supposedly they've included 25 is there so do we want to lower it to their budget right the thing is when you're in that kind of thinking that credit card that's could be anything that's basically sundry items that's just like things that come up uh which should have a home in a budget somewhere exactly right yeah because they have operations they've got office supplies costumes insurance backdrops theater rent travel and meetings that's their slush fund yeah but they're budgeting for 10 000 surplus plus twenty that's thirty thousand dollars surplus out of a hundred fifteen thousand dollar budget i mean there was 25. you bet yep i think that's enough okay so i'm gonna recognize that as an amendment to this motion was out from dick or reed made that and then who seconded this amendment to the motion dick okay so that was for four seasons amending dave's motion from 30 down to 25 for that one so now we have 25 for four seasons the motion now well let's vote on that amendment or is there any more discussion about that amendment all in favor of that amendment say aye right any opposed to that amendment okay so that that amends the motion on the floor the motion on the floor then is for 25 000 for four seasons 32 000 for the logan community foundation cash theater company and 28 000 for music theater west did i did i get that correctly was that the correct amendment did we amend it four seasons down to 25 yes bruce was that right the one that i changed one i changed four seasons yes down to a lower amount okay okay uh any more discussion about that okay all in favor all right bye any opposed okay sounds like that's unanimous next we have cash community band and that is a 10 000 request tuba equipment trailer and operating expenses ten thousand dollars and we've given them go for it two thousand years passed in 3.5 in 2019. but a tube isn't a big expense i'm guessing based on the size it's quite a bit i really have no idea and an equipment trailer so i i moved that we give them the 10 000 this year and see how they respond with all that money to buy a new trailer the trailer is pretty expensive but the trailer is yeah they are pretty frugal they have been over the past you know and they're the trailer would be helpful you know and it's it is a few people but yet they they're very visible almost at every parade and it's kind of like people expect to see him too in every parade so okay was that dick who made a motion for ten yep okay was there a second to that okay andy second sat all in favor say aye aye okay we're on unicorn theater now we have so many theaters we're so blessed to have so many theater companies here in the valley from the fans we've given them five and five in the last two years okay do they what did they say was their justification for those 15 they're saying approximately 400 students ages five days in participating classes fall during the spring i can't remember their ambitions how many students do you say 500 he said there's approximately 400 students down below 2 250 children are adults ages one through 100. that's the audience guest artist approximately 100 students so if we uh if we give them the same 100 bucks for a kid like we did another one that would give them 40 000 they're asking they're asking for 15. i don't think this is the same caliber and you're dealing with children of much younger ages in many cases this is a children's theater yeah but you're educating kids for the future so yeah i'm so thankful we have these programs for our kids and our community because if we didn't what else would they be doing right but i i think having youth programs is i would suggest seven thousand so just a little bit for what we've done before and okay how much seven thousand we have a motion for seven thousand from andy do we have a second on that second okay with a motion i think that was from dick yeah okay uh any discussion about seven thousand for unicorn okay all in favor say hi all right any opposed okay thank you next item number 34 friends of the mendon cottage library they want 50 000 for shelving election development and programming needs has anyone been to the mendon cottage library before yes i have yeah i didn't even know it existed before applications you know it's just one of those little community things out there in mandan that in all honesty gets used by the men and people and nobody else is going to show up nobody else is going to drive them in to go to the library but i tell you the the city of mendon is they are they are community oriented and they think they own the school out there instead of cache county which is a good thing that's fine that that's a good thing i'm not sure that they need 50 000 i'd recommend that maybe if we gave them 35 or 40 000 in that neighborhood they'd be happier what were we given before okay that's even more like over the years see it in 2018 the library they did zero or 2018 we didn't see the year before the menden library got 25 000 2016. isn't there something on another page though some special project somewhere they have a trail out there no there's on page 14 friends of the mendon cottage library is listed separately from the menden library and they got 6400 last year pardon what number are they uh

confused number 34 is strictly the friends it's not menden city it's correct i think we're all we're talking about the same entity though it's the same call itself it's the same cause it's two different groups though the city and their non-profit arm that supports and raises money whatever money we give them is going to go to the library yeah whether it's funded through whether it went to the city in the past or the non-profit in the past it's the non-profit that's asking for it now somebody give us a number you think they ought to have for the library is there on this street here that we're going down is there another one later on it's a toxic i'm there's none i would probably this is the only one i would lean for more into that seventeen to eighteen thousand even that's kind of a that's kind of like kind of a high okay consider this their cash and bank for the library at the beginning of july 2020 was 25 000. net cash out was 13 000 and they had 12 000 at the end of january of 2021. that's that's the friends budget that's what we're talking about yeah well no that's the budget for menden libraries that's the library budget you're talking my concern is what is what are we really purchasing purchasing yeah what is i mean what is it i mean there's bookcases and it only talks about two or three at 450 dollars a piece i mean if they were putting something into the library that were that would make the value and there's a lot of people then there's a lot of little events there's and speakers it says right here that's a one-time thing yeah and collection well collection development is that means books and things like that because i would like to do the books and all that sort of thing on their budget they budgeted six hundred dollars for audio books eight thousand dollars for books capital expenditures for fifteen hundred and then other operating expenses their total budget for last year for this year that we're in the middle of that will end in july june is 27 000 and they spent as of the end of january 13 of the 26th they plan to spend another 13 000 between the end of january to the beginning of the year or to the beginning of july when they're requesting 50. let's can we give them 12 000 and feel good about it well that's what i'm too much their budget project was 75 000 their total operating budget for last year was 26 000. and it doesn't have it doesn't have the price the price of the prices of what they're doing doesn't add up even in physical assets as to what they're trying to permanently have there you know i mean i would feel better about having them more if they if they actually had and the other thing the other thing is i don't see i wish i could see more things where they were reaching out so this is how we're going to tie it into the to every county resident too or something they still got 13 000 in cash as of january 31st they're budgeting two thousand dollars for summer reading here there is a narrative at the end that says the friends of the library has launched the second half of this brick builder fundraiser it will complete the patio area with bricks inscribed with the names so far it has raised approximately eleven thousand dollars in order to be eligible for the already received donor match of 25 we need 14. i recommend that we give them 14 000 second so they said they need 14 for what the brick and mortar is finish the patio area outside the library at c so they need 14 to finish that patio right and it looks like they have the money to would finish out their operating budget to the first of june they already have that in their bank so do they have in their operating budget all of the other things they said like the books the audiobooks yes 8 000 for books 1 1500 for capital expenditures of the 8 000 annual budget for books they'd spent 4 200 as of the end of january they had 3 700 remaining to spend and on their revenue what are they showing as their sources of revenue pay for all that they are not showing any revenue they're just looking at what they have their cash in the bank and they have 12 600 cash in the bank as of the end of january and they their budget called for 13 6 indication as to where any additional funds would come from oh okay so is there a motion for an amount on this one 14 000 and that would give them what they need to finish their capital brick and mortar project was a second from dick okay okay so with the with the non-profit they're not supposed to be doing capital improvements um but and this would be for a structure not just equipment to maintain i just wanted to take that into account that i think it was structure this isn't this is a non-profit but it's a non-profit that's i'm sure owned and operated by the city i think that's correct the facility i think belongs to this yeah yeah so it should be okay okay okay so we have a motion a second for fourteen thousand any more discussion on that all in favor say aye all right opposed next is lyric repertory company lots of theater today fifty thousand dollar request for their twenty twenty one point two season we had to shutter our doors for the entire 2020 season that's what they said right but for this year i think that they were going to do a limited because they couldn't arrange to get all of their actors and everything they they their plan for this one is to relaunch their theater with a holiday production of a christmas carol that's right followed by a full slate of productions for summer 2022 that's what they want to use this for is to get those running they're asking for fifty thousand dollars and if you have you notice there's a whole bunch of them that are all doing a christmas one and it seems to be the same christmas is everyone doing a christmas carol well i just noticed a lot of them you know they're that i've been reading a bunch of them they weren't doing much for the summer that's probably the one there are most versions of i think let's see how many we can watch i'm bad by them yeah over the past present and the ghost of movement passed gotta write that one yeah uh i i had them at five thousand to keep them viable but i we've given them 10 or 15 in the past each year i know but that's when they were doing more productions last year and 10 years before we didn't get many last year but we did two years before right 10 the year before i was just i just wish that they were doing something this summer if we give them ten can they do their christmas yeah yeah it's it's hard to tell with their budget because they give us their whole budget and it's it's all 450 thousand dollars includes what they do up on the stage at the university every day you did 10 000 this time wouldn't they be able to reapply for the other show when the next rep yeah for next summer yeah because they're saying it's for 2022. i think we even gave them the 10 when they were still in full production though in 2019. okay do i hear a motion and that's why they're here my back at the five but for if they're only gonna do one production it's keeping going i backed it to five myself and and uh in hopes that next year they'll you know say yes we are doing this this and this and here we go and okay we're here to support you then okay all right so do i hear emotion out there i've heard five ten fifteen i've heard a few different numbers how about 75 can we look like you've done that before i have done it do we want to round it to 7 500 is everybody okay with that is that emotions that we give okay 7 500 okay we have a motion from dick and a second from dave for 7 500 any more discussion about that all in favor say hi all right let's try to keep our amounts in even thousands that way i don't have to write 7 000. i was thinking 50 to make up for that extra 50. that's why we got 5007 on one of them so we've got a 50 one hangout okay next we have jump the moon foundation for continued and expanding art and services funding they asked for twenty thousand dollars every year that we've all you know it's gone back and forth we've wondered and that's why i was curious why it initially did not they'll be eligible and now it is last year they applied and we found them ineligible after we had a discussion this year they are serving anyone who wants to i think that their main focus is children with handicap or adults with handicaps um but after a discussion with david and the attorneys they felt like it was they should be eligible because they are open to everyone and it is in arts and teaching and kind of preserving and maintaining heart the budget salaries are 78 000 on your 82 000 budget salaries over what's that seventy-eight seventy-eight thousand salaries of their eighty thousand dollar budget eighty-two thousand eighty-five eighty-two so they have one person that they're paying that much money to and they and that's all their budget but you know the when you work with handicapped people or children i know in the schools you can really demand a high level of income if you are handicapped expect teacher i mean there is such a need for it so i don't know that we can discount that amount i mean i'm not saying one way or the other but i know that it does take extra training and extra things to do that sort of thing this is a problem that i have with some of these requests is that they appear to be the hobby or the special interest of one person and they're looking to fund something to provide themselves an income rather than the primary objective being to provide a service to the community um in this particular case i'd love to like to object to that i happen to know michael bingham who is uh behind all of this and he has been a teacher of the arts um became very much interested in handicapped kids when he was teaching in high school level and decided he wanted to start this jump balloon to have an area where he could focus on people with disabilities and he gets a good number of people to come in and just are joyous that they can do something he did something with a gal in a wheelchair who couldn't use her hands and she was terribly handicapped he applied some uh some paint to the wheelchair put a huge canvas on the floor and she went around with that wheelchair and you should see a smile on her face really uh so so that's just one example but he is extremely creative and uh he sees this almost as a mission appreciate your input is that emotion andy um i'd like to give him all that he can get so 20 000 yes without your motion is there a second on that i'll second it further discussion on the motion motions for the 20 the full amount okay no further discussion all in favor say hi hi any opposed okay that one passes 20 000. okay next uh whispering canyons foundation all right two pages down three and a half to go we have all the culture all done all the cultural are done and they're the toughest things just one because this is the next one on the page next one's ineligible also the usu we're skipping that so now we're at recreation facilities river heights 40 000 new river heights city park east 40 000. um yes it is okay next next year when we do this let's have them all in order and we'll go through the list in the same order so we're not jumping all around i have to reorder all your books if you do it by scores yeah so i'll just come around just give us a list next time with the scores where they're all in the same order as the book still that way we're not jumping around you're gonna have to like give me your scores before you see the other before we see the book that's right no problem so 47 40 000 river heights park and we've done much has riverheights really requested very much yeah they have we did tennis courts yeah we did 40 000 last year no a year ago two years 40 and 35 for tennis courts they didn't request anything last year walking paths service lane green space parking lots east and west two room restroom i think it services a lot of people here and it's uh and this is part of a big project that what 850 000 project right yeah that's what i was going to say and i personally i've given all the whole 47 yeah 760. 760 is the total and they're only asking for 40 out of 76. that's a pretty healthy match right yep i think that's terrific is that a motion dave yes you're coming up now on logan city yeah oh well let's let's vote on this oh sorry but so all in favor of the forty thousand river high say aye aye any opposed okay everybody's on board with that okay bruce on cache county in logan city what we've generally done is we have decided how much we wanted to allocate to them and then let them order their own projects in which they already both organizations usually already have them all right and we decide how much we recommend to give them and then we just give it down instead of looking at each project individually and didn't logan city that this is the only one that they had right logan city only has number 26. oh they have number 32 on the next page is that all they had though is those two 32 33 oh yeah 33 also 26 32 and 33. so 26 is 197 000. 32 is 160 0.33 is 115 000. so 197 000 for logan city center block plaza splash pad and ice drinks so 200 000 that one caught my eye and i thought that it's about time they have some event that you can come down to the centromere you know that little ice skating type thing or whatever it is i thought that was i think that'll serve the entire county last year we gave logan parks and recreation thousand five hundred how much are they asking for this year with all of those less than that for about that oh no it's more i guess two hundred uh 367 about um 200 000 75 375. for 475 470 about 475 000. we gave him 414.15 the year before we gave him 465. okay so this is about and and we got about 60 something thousand dollars back from the scaled down match money with the kunzler property yeah sure yeah you know that we we got back so you guys want to fully fund all three of these hi you want to fully fund all three of these to be honest i'm in favor of it we've got the money and i think they're all good projects okay there's a motion in a second i will make that motion okay we've got a motion from dave in a second from bruce to fully fund all three of these logan city projects especially with the return dollars that we got you know they gave us some money but i was tickled to death they actually came to us and says hey you know rather rather than and this was i thought was really neat of them is that they came in and said you know well we'd like to take the rest of that money and put it somewhere else they didn't say that they says we're not going to need this money needs to put it back in and we'll so i'm saying hey let's give it back to him okay uh it sounds like uh the proposal all three of the logan city project so that would be 197 for project 26 115 for project 33 and 160 for project 32. all in favor of that say aye aye aye any opposed okay let's move on to cash county you want to propose the same thing for that dave same thing we did for logan you know the only question on the cash accounting ones one were was the was the pond yeah i have the same question what's the question on the pond this you know and bart's explained that a lot of detail just been filling up filling the pond in and you know and increasing the parking down there and making it uh yes you know i just sat there and i saw that big number and i'm going so i was just worried a little bit about that for how much it doesn't costs county have those resources available within the county to where they i mean i'm just thinking i see the road crew i see all of the i hope that they're working together as different groups and just like anything else when you take it from one and it's got to come from somewhere else well they're all managed there's a separate entity uh in a lot of ways they're all out of different budgets and stuff like that yeah that is a possibility it's impossible they would probably use the county resources to even do that a lot of it anyway if they're not busy but a lot of them they're strong right now could they fill that pond up without us funding them they will one way or the other yeah i don't know what if we did this what if we given the money with the direction that you give to the county council the county executive that we see if we can do it with their own resources and if so we'll give the money back that was the only one i had a little bit of heartburn yeah and i think it can be worked through it's just the only one i just thought a hundred thousand dollars to fill he's i know there's part of it that um he's not completely filling it in he needs to keep he's actually just shrinking the pond so i think he might there might be some re-piping well i know there is some re-piping electrical uh re-piping electrical things like that because what they do is they bring water into the pond and then they pump out of it to irrigate there so but he just doesn't need it this big and he wants to shrink it so that we can add parking on top of that i think it's a great idea but i just look at all the resources the county has already to halt some fill in and i mean they've got employees they've got the trucks they that just the equipment maybe they could more efficiently use resources from one project to come in and do that and i've wondered i was going to say too sometimes it costs the government more to do stuff than it could have been people to do it that's a valid point take that off the match no that's reality that's true i would move that we fund all of that with the recommendation that the county see if they can't possibly okay i will take that coordinate their efforts and use the resources that they have to fill that pond i'll second that okay so are we talking all of them we're talking all of the county ones and once we which is which one's eight seven the cash county fairgrounds and event center so we're talking about all of the fairgrounds and event center ones so eight seven nine ten and eleven eleven and then ten on the next page okay so we have a motion to fully fund numbers eight seven nine ten eleven for cash count we have a motion and a second who was the emotional that was dick and the second was dave 9 11 what's on the back page three was fifteen are there more wait wait wait wait we're just talking about the cache county foreign's event center right yeah we're talking about right now seven eight nine ten and eleven yeah we're just talking about the fairgrounds once okay seven eight nine 10 11 7 8 9 10 11 okay okay so just those to fully fund those with with the uh direction to see if the public works department can save them some money and they don't have to use that in which case they'd give it back okay uh we have a motion a second all in favor say aye all right any opposed okay next uh we have there's a pile of gravel out there by nibbly you know right out there by the roads yeah that's what i was going to say that i know the county has piles of dirt too so um byram city blacksmith fork east number 31. yeah number three i like that one remember i went right through that one tonight i got that one is that the 31 was it i scored that one even higher than the opera really well i like i'm sorry i i like concrete things that it goes in there and it will serve a lot of people for a long time i like those things that i don't know but i i had them i think they're requesting 300 and their budget is 1.8 million over a million now and they're not part of the about nibbly north logan hyde park syndicate correct correct and so there you go and they're growing like crazy last couple of years we've given them 125 but they are or that area they're looking at doing it uh it's east of uh mountain crest right and every time you drive down there it looks like new homes are being built or new condos and new apartments um i was thinking almost 200 myself but i because that you know 1.8 million they're putting into this thing that's a pretty good investment they're putting 1.6 million into it that would get them up or 1.5 million that will get up to 1.7 million so that would leave them a hundred thousand short on their project there's a reason we don't do this full amount yeah what is your logic yeah yeah why not just give them the full amount let them stretch their budget well here's a reason they have iron city the time city or any other it seems like if you make them push a little bit uh relative to trying to be a little bit more efficient and so forth i think that would help them and still make it a very productive project they have bmx bike park on here 160 000. i just heard they got a i think a 400 000 grand from jvs or that or a bike park a bmx bike park i'm assuming it's the same one but i don't know it could be different if that's the case you know they got the skateboard park in for 300 370. and i said we only give them 25 000. no okay so who made a motion for 200 000 i do i'll make that dave made a motion for 200 000 does anyone want to second that there's a read okay a motion and a second two hundred thousand dollars any more discussion on that okay all in favor say hi hi hi richmond city 47 000 white pine park playground they've been working on that one for a while trying to get to some things and they i think they've changed and to me that's one of those outlying cities that they've done some deep requests over time and i had him i had him fully funded at 47. is that a motion i will make that notion okay there's a motion did i hear a second over there from dick okay motion for 47 000 in a second any more discussion about that all in favor say aye aye aye aye okay uh next we have cash county development services regional trail coordinator position this is one that has 13 14 15 16 and 17 for a total of 141 000 yeah these are what numbers did you say 13 14 15 16 and 17. there's all mostly all trails trail trail trails 13 is for the trail coordinator position then we've got 15 is for a high park canyon route trail 17th north logan bonneville shoreline trail and we have a 16 1400 north middle canal crossing another trail fort number 14 is birch canyon survey and recreation assessment uh and then we have with all of them and the only thing that bothers me on these i think it's great that you're investing in the trails there's two blasted much money in the studying of the studies of the studies that's the one i read i just sit there and go you know and maybe it's mandatory but i'm just sitting there going there's so much money that we're if you look at it it's putting in there's a great company as you look at it you see that they're having to do with the federal government they're all the cities but they've all signed on to them yeah there's traffic studies like they've got to hire engineers for things but that's what you have to do so you can match it with some sort of federal grant or something that they've got coming in but it just bothers me that we you know to me it's should be easier i wish it was easier because i know like trying to you're dealing with homeowners you're dealing with private land federal land state land city land and all those sort of things i agree because i really would like to i really that's of all the things i really like to see the trials i'm curious how how you all feel oh i'm sorry um curious how you feel about the applications these are all coming from the county trail coordinator's office but you've got a trail in hyde park you've got one in north logan you got one in logan you got one in smithfield do you guys all feel okay about that that the county's doing that grant or do we want to give direction to them to tell those cities to apply for that in the future well i think the county would be better fit for that and aren't they a lot of those are still in county there may be an unincorporated area a lot of the bonneville shore isn't that incorporated that's what i was thinking those the canyon ones and then we're it might be two cities across and over i think that's why they're really important to have the county on board i think it's good to get the city and i and that's the one thing i've noticed that has changed is now i see the cities putting their letters in saying we're on board with this and so i really appreciate that because i've been concerned about one of the projects that north logan wasn't on it and i noticed now that they're supporting it which one's that it was the is it the middle northern canal the middle i think it's either the northern that's the one that bothered the bonneville it wasn't the bonneville one it was the middle the middle canal the middle logan the old logan north 14th 14th north middle canal crossing yeah i think that's the one that the city's on and i i i've been looking for that because i know that some of the home owners have concerns and things and so the fact that the city was on that it meant a lot to me that hey that getting closer so this is is it four projects we're talking about right now mm-hmm one two three four five where's the fifth one oh yeah position and four projects birch canyon yeah birch county i was missing okay okay so we have the trail coordinator position number 13. we've got the um we found that one and by the way that that to me has been a proven asset oh yeah as far as the investment in what they've done i think that boy that that's one of the best things the county's done taking the leadership to have someone that everyone's talking to and keeping them okay so we have uh so we have that one that dave just mentioned number 13 for 35 000. we've got number 15 the high park canyon for 7 000. number 17 the north logan shoreline trail for 6 000 and then we've got the middle canal crossing for 53 000 and the birch canyon survey what numbers are those oh sorry number number 16 is the middle canal for 53 000. number 14 is the birch canyon survey and wreck assessment for 40 000. there was number 17. that was the north logan bonneville shoreline trail for 6000 number 15 is the hyde park and in the past we've given the money for the canals and they've done the canals as they've been able to get the permits and everything to do on people and everybody's on board and so we've kind of given them the money to do what they needed to do we've been waiting in the northern part to get some of those trails because a lot of the trails have been in the southern part and so i'm glad to see that it's finally getting to the north but it stops at smithfield though doesn't it i think so before this north one here yeah because i don't want them coming through my place

it's going to be a condition you get the money if it keeps going north

you know like the one that like sometimes i get voted down thank you take care he worked tuesday i would love nothing you want to see me thank you for letting me come thanks for lunch oh you're welcome thanks for your service we can do it betty appreciate it again we'll talk to you later you know it's it's good to get another year behind you know you know maybe what i know but it's lovely to see all the projects and the things because of it well i hope they'll use that and the council will use that money and direct it to some maybe some bigger causes that they need well the other thing is that you know several years we'll have more requests like we'll have two million more than we have money for so yeah it won't sit there very long well that's what i'm leaning as i'm hoping that like logan and some of those other ones that haven't been putting in projects would put some projects in you know i know they did the trail the bonneville and that's kind of you know like smithville they keep on it and i know they keep putting a lot in elkridge i really like to see some smaller you know pickleball courts and things because it's you know like over that smithfield said to me that they just don't want to ask for too much so they try to do one big thing which is right it is it is i like i like that you notice that every we fund it every year because it's a great project great ask and i just wish north logan would do more of that yeah um talk to your mayor see if somebody can start um well and i think that i keep thinking i'm going to talk to alan luce i think l-u-c-e is and he's in my war but with copenhagen it's been so difficult to get people to don't run into them yeah and then just have a casual conversation well and i've never met him you know and i used to i kind of got involved earlier on but he retired you know because they went out to all the different i know that he went out and got a master plan i haven't heard much about the master plan now for like county or for northern they had like seven different groups you know and so huh i guess i need to sure you should go over that you can find out i'll talk to well you know you know if you don't say it maybe there's a hundred other people that don't say it yes because i had a meeting one time we had 50 people come see okay thanks thank you baby bye becky