09-28-2021 Cache County Council Meeting

might have pretty this year yeah pretty clear dude i said pretty please you might have got it but you know you forgot how many how many more vehicles have we got to travel that road before we make them make the grade i'm not quite sure what the number is but uh when we come out and do the count maybe we'll tell you and then you could get a posse out there to circle around and that's a good idea i can't up there it's happened before on street lights but um so general information we're hoping to advertise this project this fall winter we're still working with pacific corps there's a lot of moving parts with pacific core and they're they have other priorities right now and so we're hoping to get them cemented in and agreed to and all the right-of-way and everything we need to from them if we're able to do that we'll be able to advertise this winter and then start next spring summer um that's the only one wild card as i think i mentioned before that the soils out here are really soft and initially we we hope this be a two-year construction season but it's probably going to maybe two and a half to three and part of the reason is is we have to let that soil sit for a long time to get the settlement out and so it may drag a little longer than we were hoping for and that you're probably hoping for but you know we want a quality roll at the end yes um let me ask you a question on that because that is a major thoroughfare for a lot of people yes um what kind of um restrictions to traffic should we anticipate on do we need to anticipate figuring out some alternate routes for people to travel good question good question um for the most part no we'll we'll keep two lanes or one lane in each direction travel on that road for 99.9 of the time there will be a few and we'll we'll make sure we publicize there will be a few times where we have to actually close it for a period of time to do some work some box culvert and some other types of work that we can't do without closing it down and that'll probably be on weekends and our public involvement people will you know spread the news right we'll make sure that everybody knows hopefully everybody gets it gets word that that's the case and they can make alternative but for 99.9 of the time you'll be able to travel that road without too much restriction as you do now so but yeah we'll make sure that we communicate that when when we do have those those temporary closures um another part i'm not sure this was when i came up here last time it wasn't we've kind of run into a road jam or a roadblock with the railroad i think maybe you guys are familiar with the the situation with the railroad the railroad wants local entities and also udot to pay for the at great intersection maintenance and right now by state law we can't do that so we're kind of at a standstill so basically the railroad told us that and we almost had the agreement in place it's it's too bad we almost had it in hand they came back and said that the only intersection that they'll allow is in that great or no as a great separated intersection or basically a bridge over the railroad which is beyond the scope of this project so it's going to be unfortunate but we're going to build this road now wide out there and then as we get close to railroad 80 feet short of the railroad we're basically gonna have to just stop and then go the other side of railroad and build it to sr-23 and build that intersection so it's going to be unfortunate because we're going to have this nice big wide road that's going to neck down at the railroad and then go back out there's no other we're kind of in an impasse right now they're not making a lot of progress and it's it's at levels way above me at the state you're dealing with the railroad and you knowing the agreements there so in the short term as we build the road we won't be able to build the railroad section or the railroad section won't be improved which is going to be unfortunate my hope is that the state can come together with the railroad and we'll be able to change order that work into the project as we're constructing it um but if i were a betting man i probably wouldn't bet that they would be resolved by then but that's my hope and so that's unfortunate but it's kind of beyond our control beyond my control and so we'll have the road widened um up to the railroad but it's going to neck down to one lane in each direction basically what you have there now crossing the railroad so it's unfortunate and i think if you've been familiar if the county has some crossings with the railroad you probably have the same issues with with them wanting to pay for wanting the humanist investment sorry the municipality to pay for the maintenance of those great great act should bring water up here next time at grade intersections um what's the solution to that do we need to go to our state legislators do we need to go to our federal legislators you can bring that up with them it's it's been elevated already it's there already it's outside of my project which at which level the state the federal who's who needs to change a law to make us make it so that we can get this project done all of them yeah yeah it wouldn't hurt to have some pressure from i mean yes state federal whatever it takes is there somebody at udot who's the expert on this issue we have we have someone that's that's in charge of utility at a central level um i don't know who that is they just came in and i forgot their name and they're they're tasked with working with the railroad but i think it may even be above his level at this point because it goes to state state law i think as i understand state law doesn't allow us to so state law would have to change for us to pay for it and we're resisting we don't want to have to pay for the maintenance on all the at great intersections as the local you know jurisdiction whether it be the county or the cities that have an aggregate intersection i know logan has quite a few i'm sure the county has somehow great intersections oh so this is going to be quite an interesting road correct that we're going to come from we're going to come from tree mountain and we're going to buzz all the way and as soon as we hit the railroad we'll go down to uh the two lanes what we have basically now and then we're gonna speed up just about a half a mile and then we're gonna go back down to a two lane until we get past the wetlands and then we're going back before basically yes quite a road it actually really isn't going to accomplish much is it i think it will i think having even in the sections where you only have two lanes or one lane in each direction with the full shoulders and the median i think that's going to improve safety um considerably so i understand your concern and it's a concern that i've heard a lot of as the project manager on this project it's it's beyond my ability to change the scope of what was dictated based on the environmental document but i understand and i do there's a lot of people at the region that work for udot to live up here that we're not happy with the uh the results of i guess that's too much inside baseball there but i think the environmental study was way way way way too conservative in my opinion you can write them about any way you want you can just depending on how you want them to come out yeah so but it will be an improvement um and you know and that section's where where we have only in each direction there's not a lot of access on and off and so you know the vehicles will move through there relatively quick and so well you're completely aware of road man that anytime you go from from two lanes down to one lane it backs things up pretty fast if you have if you have enough traffic yeah it will there will be a lot of traffic there certain times of the day it's going to be really interesting to see that happen and you know i'm not exactly sure the wisdom of what you're doing but that's my perspective it's not very wise of what's taking place yes you've heard me out i won't say any more it's all right i i i fully understood you i promised you two years ago that we'd have enough traffic coming through there if you would just help us with the numbers a little bit apparently it didn't it didn't work well i fully understand your frustration with it and you know if we get some accidents out there dave is that going to change things because what i worry about when you take two lanes and go to one people drive crazy and they try to beat the person and i just anticipate that we're going to have some crashes where those places are narrowing that's potential the the one thing that will help us is the full shoulders the full 12-foot shoulders um you know if that were to happen you actually still have an unofficial laid out there so it's not like you get run off the road but so well then january and february fog along there in the morning and that'll really be fun yeah yeah um sometimes i wonder how many deaths you gotta have in these places before the state finally takes that's serious you know i'm out there on 89 91 college ward where they have deaths handful every year it's been taking them 10 years to even get anywhere on that like i told them the last time it looks like we got another we got another fatality on the road motorcycle come along there and a car pulled out smackle okay anyway do your best any other questions with regard i want to talk last time i came up here we talked about certain types of intersections at sr23 um any other questions generally about the project or the scope um the back side has the sr-23 we when we presented last time we presented the archive intersection which basically as you recall it stopped through movements on 23 and made you go up and do a u-turn we got a lot of feedback back and from the feedback we got back and also the lead of senior leadership we were basically made the decision not to do that this is an improved intersection of what we have this is basically not great intersection but with the free rights and some of the other stuff that we have coming in there this will be improvements we also are putting some some lighting some basically warning lighting so when cars come to 23 they'll though the people on the cars on 30 will be notified that there's someone at the intersection so they'll be warned that there's you know potential for conflict um but this is what's what we're going with now so any i know that we came up and had a long discussion on the r cut any any other questions on that or okay i like this better so and we'll have full lighting on this we'll have full lighting on this intersection too which will help um you know you can only do so much for fog and i don't necessarily get fog you know you just there's so much only so much mitigation you can do with fog but that will help to some level so we'll have full lighting on this intersection also and there is a pedestrian bike underpass on this also that's been will be placed there so they can pass north to south on 23 without having to conflict with the vehicles so as the lane comes from four to two at these spots we talked about will there also be warning lights um no there'll be there'll be signs and there'll be general transitions they won't be abrupt it'll you know it'll go but if you're unfamiliar with that i mean driving that that's going to be a mess yeah i mean there'll be signs and they'll be striping and it'll you know it'll be you'll see that it's it's coming from two to one and i guess that's not the issue going back to two but the two to one i'm sure you dry out you drive by 15 every day you know where you live but you have to and you know as well as everyone else in this bit this room that when there's an accident on it you you come from four lanes down to two lanes or yeah two lanes down to one it'll back up three miles especially during that busy time of the year or the busy time of the work the work rotation yeah it's not going to be anything different out there but you know i question the wisdom of allowing environmental studies to override common sense and that's probably the best way to put it well the one the one safety you know when it even when you have an accident on the shoulders people still slow down but with those full shoulders that'll you know if there were to be an accident you know you those pull off the sides granite traffic still will still slow down and golf at that but still it allows right now currently if you had an accident on that road you basically shut that roll roll right down because there's just no hardly any shoulder at all so there will be some improved safety there and mobility hopefully during during when there is an accident hopefully there's not very many of those but you know that's you're always going to have accidents on roads right sure well i guess we could uh we could ask about the shoulder and just have it the shoulder and blind it well the shoulder will be asphalted too though that's what i'm saying we just well we got you got 12 full full 12 feet of shoulder there so that is asphalt so we found our other lane didn't we yep there you go the unofficial lane when i've heard what they said in that it actually built the road to the way it should be it's just justify it you know until they get more traffic on it and things like that so you guys are a lot smarter and i want to give you credit yeah i don't know about that but i know the thoughts and philosophy about all of this is not as necessary as making it pretty but

you know i went to the executive and we added the women's breakaway roping and that was a good move i think the people really liked it the contestants were very respectable and thankful and to give you an idea i think we had 124 breakaway ropers here and all the number ones and so it was interesting because with that amount and along with all the other events if i can explain this so you understand it and when you correct me or scott's here i appreciate him being here with us because some of the terms we use are not understandable so when i talk about slack that is the amount of contestants that we have that we can't fit in to our rodeo and that's in the timed events normally because we limit our rough stock rough stock is your saddle bronc your barebacks and your bulls so we keep those in the event so this year our slack was three times what it normally is so we spent six hours thursday morning doing rodeo so thursday had nine hours of rodeo which is you know like two more full days our extreme bronx on wednesday night is improving and the people are were creatures of habit and this new day they just have the thursday friday saturday and so after you hear a lot about i wish i'd known i'd have been there because we also implemented the women's barrel racing and the breakaway roping into that extreme bronx so that helped us to accommodate those i was going to bring i can't remember but we probably had well into 500 contestants here over the four days so with that our our events sold out wednesday thursday friday saturday uh the one challenge which we're gonna address so because of that there was some things that we're accustomed to having happen like the vouchers for sponsors but when the tickets are all gone there's none for a voucher to fill so we've got to just be a little better at that and then have them get those a little quicker and we're going to work on that a couple things i want to also thursday night i appreciate it when our county executive brought up the thursday night all of us have connections with the suicide awareness and what's happened with this coming up and so we were approached and we changed and our thursday night which has always been a family night at the rodeo we shifted to a suicide awareness night and our and so we interjected a lot of information during that and i think that that was received well and people involved there enjoyed and appreciated it because that we're all affected by it so everything we can do is good uh where we're selling out you'll hear from me later on that but bart and i have looked at some things are of changing our grandstands you know on the west side and executive we've talked about that and and see what we could do there and so i know that there's some plans there i appreciate that one other thing that i'm going to bring up is on our scoreboard that's been a highlight everybody likes the big screen and the replays and as we looked at i i'm meeting with those guys again it's probably would be advantageous for us and good for for the community if we would double those so we have one on each side so that the entire group there can see and i looked at a few rodeos where a smaller one was erected but when bart and i started looking that over if we go up to the full size there was only like 1500 difference in having two full screens on each side and i would recommend that's what we do so that kind of tells us where we're at so financially it was a success again good job it was a good show i went to it thank you the fair was excellent okay thank you really fun lamont and i went to the days of 47 rodeo and i didn't think it was any better than our rodeo yeah rodeo was stellar so nice job our payout i wrote this down and if you want bragging rights and i guess i'm worried we as a county are entitled to we go back a few years so i'll be a little careful there but our payout on the contestants this year was a hundred thousand dollars more than the original budget that we had when we started we paid out over 176 thousand dollars to the contestants which includes our added money from the county and their entry fees and uh for bragging rights from putting the paper that's higher than preston and box elder

the monk you and elena are in hopes that we have you again next year are we yeah i don't think you can run him off okay so i guess when you retire scott takes your place right lamont yes i okay we'll move to item 7b um jd gunnel usu extension agent and he's going to tell us a report of usu extension thanks jd for being here well as introduction my name's jd gunnell um i'm originally from the valley but been gone almost 20 years so it's nice to be back i've worked for usu extension for 16 years and as part of that i've been in salt lake county in davis county and hands down this is my favorite county a little bit biased but it's the truth uh before you um you should have a handout of our community impact report we also have some in front of jess bradfield if anybody in the audience would like a copy this has a lot of the details of our different program areas that we provide to the county but i also have a short power point because i wouldn't be a professor if i didn't have one but it's going to be the cliff note version so i just wanted to highlight some of our staff who summer in the back and i can't thank them enough it's it's really easy to brag on on really good people and good programs so i'll start with my own with horticulture if that's okay because i understand that the best i don't have a full-time director gig i do this on a rotational basis our our county office the director position rotates among us and it's my turn right now but my passion is actually horticulture and what i like to tell people is i'm a professor with the university but i'm a professor for the people and so a lot of the history of extension goes clear back to abraham lincoln and signing the the land grant university act in utah state is the best utah is the best college in utah and so we focus on a lot of mechanical arts and agriculture and thus being i run the statewide master gardener program as well as one in cache county this last year we had to move our training online because of kovid typically we run about 30 to 35 participants through the program this last year we had 80. and because of that we were really busy you can see some of the statistics we we consistently get over 70 percent graduating which means if someone takes the master gardener course we expect them to donate 40 hours of time back to the community and part of that we have the bridger park community garden collaboration with logan city we have we had 50 raised garden beds where the community can come and rent and use them we got a 4 000 donation this last year we were able to build 20 more and so it's been a really fun project to watch grow it's very well utilized in our community because of our roles with the university we also have to publish and do a lot of grant writing so part of this presentation today is kind of a return on investment that the county gives us our budget is just over two hundred thousand dollars for support staff and support of our programs and in this uh impact report you can see that because of our positions at the university and different collaborations and partnerships we were able to garner over two million dollars and bring that back into community programming with agriculture cache county is second to none we rank among the top five in any category you can think of with regard to crops or animals many of you are very keenly aware of agriculture and the and the roots that we have in our community we have jake hadfield who's our current agricultural agent he's done a lot of secession planning working with our seasoned agriculture clientele that in need of passing those um assets down to their posterity and so he's been really busy helping 13 different families this year which constitutes thousands of acres of agriculture keeping them in in green belt status and if i'm correct it the assets equaled over 15 million dollars and so that's a great program that he's started up in our community another one that's very timely is ag wellness programs that focus on suicide prevention as you can see there was over 19 different trainings over a thousand people reached if you look at the youth programs a lot of those youth were our high school youth with ffa programs as well as their traditional agricultural programming he goes out and does farm visits ranch visits crop schools he and i collaborate a lot with pesticide safety trainings for our commercial and and landscape clientele as well as farmers and ranchers and has field days he focuses a lot on research on cover crops and different crops that we can utilize especially in in high drought situations so he's really great he's young but he's really great at bringing the research that happens at the university down to the clientele 4-h youth development is where extension really shines it's our oldest program area in extension dates clear back to 1914. and 4-h actually has its roots in the county fair so i'm glad lane's here and lamont talking about those statistics i have a slide after this to brag on them a little bit further just some highlights we focus on dog clubs we have the largest dog club in the state gardening stem livestock cooking sewing all the different categories or project areas our 4-h team isn't here tonight just because they have a cooking camp going on across the way but they're very involved in the community another highlight is the national shooting sports blake clark is our 4-h ag agent and is our statewide shooting and safety expert he's trained over 30 adults this year in cache county on rso range safety officers and this year they took 12 kids back to nationals in nebraska and won fifth overall so really great things for our youth they do endless number of camps and summer activities and as you guys are well aware of the cash makers program focusing on stem and and on our relationship with uh bridger i have to say this correctly ridgeland technical institute um they house our facility down there and we do a lot of great outreach programs especially with the after school program now i told you the onset that i've been in three different counties the two counties i was in before salt lake and davis county have have opted away from the county fair and it's amazing and rejuvenating for myself to know the history of the county fairs and how it stems back to 4-h roots and how this council and this community rallies around that event the excuses i've heard in those other counties and others is that it's a it's a drain financially for for the county budget but i what i would echo is was said earlier this is a community event this is where the community gets together and celebrates the agricultural roots of our of our society um as you can see they've already spoke a lot of of the different numbers but record-breaking sales for the junior livestock committee and i know many of you are involved with that we also had record numbers of of entries in the horticulture floriculture even though it was the worst year to grow a garden with water we had a lot of great entries health and wellness um this is jenna dykman is our professor over this area she teaches a lot of um nutrition classes her specialty is actually in diabetes education which is well needed in our community uh she tests pressure canada lids which is actually the only place in the in the valley that does it and so we like to say we sell save people's lives from botulism she also one of the highlights i think in her educational outreach this year we worked with county hr and amy adams and uh did a lot of classes specifically for county employees and one of the highlights of that was our salsa showdown kickoff i just wanted to point out all of you guys participating except one who was a little bit nervous about the heat of the salsa i don't know who you're talking about um our heart team this is a new area in extension that we foresaw a lot of community need for outreach and education in the in the areas of suicide prevention and opioid abuse and so tim katie in the back he's our state specialist in these areas and has done a remarkable job not stepping on toes i think tim is the quintessential collaborator his job is coordinating and collaborating with the river health department and other facilities in the valley and does an amazing job if you look at the return on investment page he is hands down the number one grant getter in our office and we love having him around and then another thing to keep in mind i know that this friday is a big game and there's going to be some feelings so if you need some counseling tim is available but it depends on which way the game goes one thing to keep in watch as you go through the different games this season is he was able to land a grant through the in conjunction with the health department in putting signage all over the stadium stickers on the stairs on suicide prevention and so as you go to the aggie games keep an eye out for that in the future and then with utah state being the land grant school we have a mission to serve all people indiscriminately and so with that logan city has a high population of hispanic and latinx community over 15 percent and so we have a latino expert in programming and they're very busy in translating a lot of the materials that we have available to the community and reaching out i believe the farmers feeding utah reached a lot of those clientele and we had over six this year statewide and so i don't want to belabor too much i just wanted to say thank you for continued support we love being in the community and part of the community and we really do appreciate i know many of you come to our programs and and we appreciate it so with that i would be happy to answer any questions the hard ones will ask the back row if we had a junior livestock thing why don't we have a steak testing thing rather than salsa that's a good idea we'll look into that we'll have to look at our budget jd as i went to the fair it looks to me like we're being overran with goats you never even mentioned it

i'm not the expert in goats jake how many goats should we have compared to everything else it increased increased about about 60 head didn't it this year yeah 89 goes yeah we went up to 60 yen that's a huge amount of goats pretty soon i was away there wasn't well i have about 20 years left in my career and my goal is to get alpacas in the fair so

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thank you jd appreciate that okay we'll move to um let's see item 10 and it's resolution 2021-18 amending the 2021 cash county budget and to the council members that weren't here um last meeting we added we voted for an amendment to include up to 25 000 for the suicide concert from the restaurant tax so that is part of the budget since we amended it are there any questions but if there aren't i'd make a motion okay you go ahead okay um cameron can you answer a couple questions for me hopefully maybe i hopefully they're not too hard i apologize i didn't get a chance to ask you before um and i would just want to say i really appreciate the new format that you used it makes a lot more sense and it's easier than trying to flip from here back to the other part you're welcome i hoped it would be so i'm going to go to 10 we'll see okay so um a couple questions uh i noted about um utah and it said actual use of funds and i i just wanted to make sure we're not awarding them more than what we initially had awarded them in their in the maps are we number 17 and it's on page because it says uh oh no you know so a little clarification on that is there are different categories in the accounting system whether it's operating budget or if it's a capital expenditure and we had the budget in one category and the expense in the other one so we're just moving the budget to what it was actually used for but it didn't change the award amount okay and then number 23 which is on page seven and it says the airport received twenty three thousand dollars in a karzak stimulus relief grant that can be used for projects at the airport and my question there was i thought that we had already used up all the cares stuff and i wondered if we had and if this was specifically encumbered to the airport and so yes this is separate from when we talk about having justified use of cares act with public safety this was directly to the airport outside of those funds okay so those funds came to us passed through the state based on population okay thanks and then also on that page the last question number 29 increasing the county's contribution to the chamber of commerce from 10 000 to 20 000 and i'm just curious what the purpose for that was i i know that we used to um have a contribution there of over thirty thousand dollars as they were acting as our economic development director and i thought as we step back from that we were just gonna keep it right right and rather than keep increasing so i'm wondering what the reasoning behind it is i'm not this was just that at a request i don't know more of the discussion about that that question was asked last time and sean explained it it happened before i came on as executive i believe the previous county executive and sean negotiated that with the chamber but sean could probably come up and answer it again sean can you tell us about that thank you madam chair for the benefit of the record sean milner economic development director um so i was informed much like executive zook has just alluded to that this was a negotiated element for providing certain coveted recovery services to small businesses that were the most impacted some of the personal care providers if you remember back to the early days of the pandemic were shuttered due to you know state issued parameters and that this was kind of thought of as a fees for service by the chamber of commerce and it was a one-time element so in this year only what it in in subsequent conversations i've had with previous executive butters he said that it was extended as a one-year uh offer not not to be perpetuating beyond 21. okay i remember talking about the other okay thank you very much sean appreciate that okay that's all the questions i had were there any other questions i'll make a motion then that we uh approve resolution 2021-18 amending the 2021 cash county budget it's our second second okay it's been moved and seconded to approve resolution 2021-18 amending the 2021 cash county budget any further discussion cnn will proceed to vote all in favor aye aye any opposed any abstention motion carries unanimously i'm sorry i'm not sure i'm following you did i miss um my agenda doesn't am i looking at the wrongs

did you say on number three you would partner with like richer land and housing there or use yeah thank you joint facilities how do you see that happening and and workforce development and retention is that with workforce services i mean how does this all tell you excellent question so i'll address three first um actually both two and three and part of the reason why they ranked high in the prioritization um you may be aware that there were the the state had a local matching assistance grant or something worded similarly for arpa funds so the state is getting a huge allotment of arpa funds as well as counties and cities directly and the state um i think smartly state legislature again to the rescue they out of their huge largesse said we will put 50 million to the side and we will use this as a leveraging tool for local communities who know their region's best to say if you'll put up some of your arpa funding and you're willing to you know dedicate some of it to that we will have a program whereby we could leverage our arpa funding because they both have to meet the same treasury guidelines and you you can make application that's some good news i have some bad news the good news is there were a lot of fantastic submittals cache county submitted four i submitted two on behalf of economic development the bad news is there were a boatload of them there were over 500 and the aggregate amount of the requests for the state's participation was about 1.2 billion dollars with a b versus the 50 million that were available and the total projects were over four billion dollars which means that in the aggregate the applicants were requesting about 25 percent of the funding necessary for four billion dollars worth of investment at statewide levels they were asking for about 25 percent of that to come from the state the terrible news is that 95 percent of the aggregated dollar requests are going to be told no because there's only 50 million dollars in the kitty right so what i'm narrating here is to tell you that number two and number three were actually part of our submission they will continue to to winnow this you know aggregate list down in through november so we won't have an answer until sometime presumably in november to know whether or not those two applications uh could be viable through that that application process the good news is those applications are already pretty much boilerplate now for this which is why they rank so high as number two and number three for for sb 95. um if only because there are so many quantity about 500 and sheer aggregated dollar amount over a billion we're thinking statistically our chances of getting that funding are probably pretty low right so um we propose them here through this format again the the caveat may be that you could you'd end up using it the same way with leveraging matching grants the innovation center and workers hub as part of our application i worked with mark alexander btech they have about thirty thousand dollars in cash set aside to work towards this goal but this has been a smaller version of his vision that would and forgive me i'm not sure how much of this narrative they have expressed because it would involve a real estate transaction how much they may have expressed publicly so if you'll forgive me i'll be a little bit vague on this but they are considering a real estate acquisition that would enable them to go from two office spaces that they use as an innovation center in this concept now to more of that his original concept with a mere 30 000 by today's construction dollars is that he would just simply build out some more office styled spacing of about six or so that would enable some of those uh you know home-based businesses to kind of move out and learn what you know overhead is really like to pay rent on main street you know styled properties and the like depending on what this envisions and what we had proposed was a request of about 150 000 under that other grant scenario which we could again emulate here but if you did that combined with part a's number one departmental budget of 140 you you'd exceed by ten thousand dollars the total aggregate we could request of part a of 280 okay workforce development and retention was about a fifty thousand dollar ask and that two like number three is in conjunction with bridgerland tech and the chamber of commerce providing mostly mentorship and marketing and advertising to try to

to try to educate certain demographics that we really really need them badly kind of like a rosie riveter or uncle sam campaign during world war ii we need you we need you for the safety and vibrancy of our community we need you to participate in the workforce right it could even involve a an outdoor advertising campaign or radio campaign that envisions say in brigham city a billboard if you're commuting southward into ogden if you live and worked in logan right now you'd already be at work conversely as you're coming home northbound on i-15 a similarly themed message that said you know if you lived and worked in logan you'd be home by now because if you're happy in your place of employment you may not be looking and may not be aware of what some of our awesome employers could could benefit right and then you'd get some of that quality of life hours and days back um so both two and three uh councilman gunnell is envisioned a partnership with the chamber in bridgerland thank you well to keep it moving along be easy just cross some stuff off the list so uh i'm all in favor cross the number six off that way we can just start working some other things second okay it's been moved and sanded to remove item number six community analysis from this list for the part a grant any further discussion all in favor was unanimous to me was there any against or any abstain okay so take that off um i'll just tell you that i think number two the workforce development and retention is really critical right now because we can't grow business if we don't have any employees to work in our businesses whether it's bringing in a new business or growing our local businesses we've got to be able to have workers so i will agree that's a pretty big challenge to my position these days normally thirty to fifty percent of a job like this would involve out outward recruitment you know bringing folks in um that i think you would appreciate is pretty much suicide for you and me these days if we were to do that right because you've got a number of successful businesses here that literally in the aggregate are hiring thousands of people right now case in point just one month ago there were 1550 job openings with department of workforce services just across the parking lot here and there were 160 people on unemployment benefits 160 versus you know over 1500 job openings if you looked under indeed the website and you searched the through the filter of cache county there were over 2 000 that were attributed to cash county zip codes of of employment openings and again only 160 individuals now you know you know that's that's just a snapshot but nonetheless it paints a pretty bleak picture if you're an employer so right now these days we're not doing a whole lot of outward recruitment to new brands we're just trying to help existing brands you know stay here so sean it's so do you need us to approve the rest of it and then also what's your timeline are you if we approve this tonight are you going to move forward writing the grant yes ma'am on this yes ma'am so you won't come back again to the you've got to turn it in before our next council meeting that would be correct i have no problem you know submitting via email for your reference you know what the completed application fields look like it's an online portal it's not a paper copy that goes in or gets faxed good news is it's 2021 so you just you know submit it online um yes like are you asking for the full two hundred thousand dollars with the 40 match or is it whatever the council will agree to it is if i were to break it down i would say this if if you have priorities that you agree with now knowing that there's one that's stricken from the list right i just narrated to you two examples if we did the departmental budget or number one that would be just 140 000 of 280 capacity just 140 right so you'd have half of that left and if we went with what our local state matching grant was for arpa funds at 150 for number three we'd already exceed the 280 you know maximum for the purposes of this grant application i would ask you that do you think attributing you know 280 however you you might choose to split the baby among these priorities do you feel that these priorities deserve attention that requires you to create a forty percent match or eighty thousand dollar contribution somehow some way um to further perhaps assist your question departmental budget 140. number two just working in descending order of prioritization fifty thousand dollars number three 150 or you could just reduce it by the amount that's left as a remainder from 140 plus 50 you're at 190 you got 70 000 you could attribute to that and work with ridgeland tech to engage some sort of expanded innovation center project or some derivative thereof that you know goes up to your tolerance level of eighty thousand dollars in contribution thank you sean you're welcome uh council entertain a motion well we ought to do something but i'm not sure where to even start well do we want to come up with 80 000 match in order to get 200 000 from the state or would we prefer to do less than that no i don't know enough about it i mean he's heard all this uh dialogue and background and things like that but i'm i guess i'm not completely sure about what the grants would even be used for in our county i mean yeah can that money be used to bring in more workers i mean that's what we need are more workers not more economic development outside of and that's sort of priority number two right yes sir funding our economic development director's budget i'm in favor of providing the 80 000 especially if we can tie it with arpa funds use the arc of funds yes do you want to make that a motion i would i'd make that a motion it would be from the arpa funds provide the 80 000. okay also i think that's a good investment of that money okay it's been moved and seconded to apply for this grant with the matching amount of eighty thousand dollars using arp offense is that correctly saving dave okay is there any further discussion cnn will proceed to vote all in favor of the motion is there any opposed any abstention passage unanimously okay you've got to mandate now thank you very much uh i appreciate it and i'll work with executive zook and cameron to proceed and on this part that you also gave us with the blue that we we need to amend the um resolution at some point to change the wording of the board we'll get this on our agenda for next time because we didn't notice it so i actually think that this is a copy from what you passed earlier this year oh okay okay the red lines are actually what you okay this is the old one and it just okay i'm sorry for any confusion that caused that's okay no worries just trying to be clear thank you council thank you all right we now move to item number 10 c which is consideration of the bear river health department test to stay order of constraint just to give a little bit of background on this item council on september 16th a notice was given by the bear river health department um fulfilling um state code 26a 1 114 7. that 24 hours notice was given to our executive

the executive was under state law has 72 hours to terminate that order of constraint which did not happen that didn't happen so it moved forward and it started um

came in effect september 20th it goes through october 20th and it implements test to stay basically for elementary schools different than what we have at the state law this is if there's three positive tests in a class in seven days then it is required that students have to test to stay there's nothing in there about masks i guess there's been some confusion of that in the public but there's not according to that same state law the county governing body may at any time terminate this order of constraint we have our health department director jordan mathis with us today thank you for being here so we can ask him any questions jordan did you have anything that you wanted to present to counsel and thank you for being here by the way yeah no problem um i really don't have anything specific i i sent out when i sent it to the council i sent it with what we felt was reasonable justification for it and the reasons for it specifically being the the wide range of elementary schools when you when you say that you have to have 30 cases and we have some small charter schools which requires a lot of spread to be detected in that school before any mitigation measure is taken and state law does require that a local health department put in place measures to control the spread of infectious disease our viewpoint at the health department is that vaccine is that measure for the majority of the population this isn't a vaccine ineligible population and therefore we we tried to put together something that was a reasonable measure this same protocol has been applied to things such as head lice and the same in the same setting so screening once it's identified and removal for treatment so that's that's really about it unless there's questions that you have for me thanks jordan are there any questions council i'll ask one why what was the basis for picking the number three um the basis was we felt like we constrained that window so state lie is a 14-day window and we thought well let if we have three cases in seven days it's an elevated level of risk typically you'd be somewhere around 10 percent of that population and so we figured that was an elevated risk for that population the other thing that we were trying to do is trying to get ahead of a test to stay for an entire school we felt like we could play a little bit further upstream and rather than wait we also we also looked a little bit at what we had seen and we had seen up to five cases in a classroom that got the logan city school district a little bit concerned and at five places in the classroom they saw less than 50 percent because of concern people started staying home and so the question is could you test and give those people a little more assurance that you know their kid doesn't have the disease they're okay and the rest the class is safe and not have them voluntarily stay home for 10 days because that classroom saw 50 percent of that class go home when maybe it wasn't warranted if we had just tested screened and found out what the actual risk was in that population so that was kind of the reason for three maybe i'm not saying that it's perfect and and to correct you madam chair it does say may we will work with the lea on this to determine if if we have kids that test positive on on a sunday there's reason to believe that they weren't infectious in a classroom and therefore there's not a need to count them towards that threshold so we will look at it and that's why we put may in there so we have the the discretion to work with lea and say what is the actual risk with this three cases so thank you for that correction that's important that brings up another question for me what's the uh what is it that you've seen the uh asymptomatic spread versus symptomatic spread what are the uh parameters around that you know we we aren't tracking we aren't doing as much contact tracing as we were before so being able to identify the asymptomatic spread has been hard we are seeing growth in in our elementary population as compared to last year and i don't know that i'm surprised by that because we have such high vaccination rates in our in our older population which makes makes the the virus naturally go to other populations that that they might be able to infect um we didn't i wasn't we didn't screen for symptoms at mountain crest high school but we had 43 positive 42 positives out of that test to stay requirement you you'd think that the majority of those were asymptomatic because they were at school they weren't sick enough to be at home so that whether or not they were sniffling or things like that we didn't scream for that we were just getting people through so we didn't screen for any symptoms during that event have you looked at any of the the published research on asymptomatic versus symptomatic spread no what are you seeing what are you seeing in these youth that's been to my understanding that the youth that get to expose those who end up coming down with it are we seeing any really serious thing other than they get a sniffle and a cough you know what the the risk to this population admittedly is extremely low um so with that that our youth why are we going to so much effort when the youth even though they get it don't get it serious like the adults i mean i've got people that live in my neighborhood that are in the hospital but they're my age yeah and i don't know i guess i am not educated enough on this have we got any young kids at logan region hospital right now i don't i didn't they didn't give me i met with them today and they didn't give me the age breakdown they are full um which is concerning but we've had to your point i can pull the data um and and send it to the council but we've had very few 0 to 18 hospitalizations back before the delta wave i think we're at 33 total hospitalizations under the age of 18 in our area so to your point i mean it is low risk the question that that we have to ask in public health is what level do they contribute to broader community spread that leads to infections in other populations and without really detailed contact tracing in place we can't quantify that so just just a comment about the test to stay event to mountain christ i have two granddaughters who are at that school and they they uh told us that uh it was actually to them a very pleasant experience and that uh the whole school was just cooperative on board and the kids were happy to do it and those that a couple of their friends tested positive and they said well we'll just stay home and their teachers helped them so that they could get their homework and they could get their classwork for the few days that they had to be home but but i like i like the head lice analogy you know and if students come to school with head lice they are asked to go home so that doesn't spread and it's a it seems to me to be a very non-intrusive way to help minimize the spread yeah and mountain crest did an amazing job i spent about an hour down there that day i mean they did make it pleasant they had music playing through the through the gym where the testing took place kids were very cooperative and just ran right through the whole thing and we were done before 11 30. so it was it was a really the school did an amazing job which one of the tests are you using it's the abbott uh bionx now so it's an anagen test it's it's not a pcr test it's a nasal swab not the nasal pharyngeal swab that goes way deep but it is a nasal swab and it's really as far as specificity it's really good as far as the sensitivity which is looking at generating a false negative it's not as great but it typically so it may miss some positives but you can you can have a lot more faith in the positives that you do have it's not going to generate as many false negative or false positives how would how would such young kids react to such a probe i have a daughter that's 10 and she's been tested twice with this and she seems to act that's the same nasal swab yeah just the nasal suave not the nasal pharyngeal swab um i admittedly all so the the protocol we put in place for mountain crest was particularly those that that may have special needs were excluded the the school knew who those students were i talked to them and they were brought in separately those that that opted still to test even though they could be excluded they were brought in separately so that there wasn't a lot of stress on them with with everyone around and things like that so um yeah and so if uh if a mother and father says well i i don't really don't think i need my child tested um then they they're out of school so the the order does say that they have to produce a negative test um but i think we look at the exclusion um for those that that have special needs that may not it may be a traumatic the the benefits out aren't there towards the net negatives so i have a question it says here that um an lea in the department may not test a student for cover 19 who is younger than 18 years old without the consent of the student's parent or legal guardian how are you getting that permission and how long does it take so that was the same that's the same thing in state statute we pulled that straight from state statute and that's what we ran on at mountain crest um it was it was sent out the day before the majority of uh parents were able to offer that via electronic signature where they consented and then administrators were there getting verbal consent from parents for those that didn't get it so it went pretty quick and i would imagine for a classroom of 30 it's not going to be as hard as trying to get the about 1300 that we got for mountain crest does the incidence of spread in a school diverge from the incidence of the spread in the community in other words do you see higher lower transmission rates in a school compared to the wider community i would say they'd track pretty pretty similar so as we've been watching it through through this county we we saw the spread in the north part which led to skyview and had skyview's enrollment been just a little bit lower they would have hit the threshold mountain crest issue was they were under the 1500s so they just had to hit the 30 cases in that 14 day window but we saw the same thing happen we saw kind of a surge in the north part of the valley and then we saw hiram and nibbly kind of light up as well and we saw the same similar trend and we definitely are still seeing more spread in our secondary schools than our elementary i looked at the numbers over the summer and compared them to see if there was much of an increase or change and it's pretty much the same for under 18s about i believe 15 for under 18 is 50 of the total positive tests so to me when i look at that i wonder does the school change anything i don't know maybe it doesn't but i had a couple other numbers if you don't mind me sharing that i that i found to answer to gordy's question so this number came from an email from the state health department that was given to one of our state representatives who sent it to me and what's really hard about trying to look at numbers is that the ages are not always the same so you might have age 1 to 14 but somewhere else it's 18 and under and so it's kind of confusing but this is for the state for ages 6 to 11 so that is our elementary school age this is from the beginning of covid march 2020 to september 22nd of this year when the email was sent that age group statewide has a total of 104 hospitalizations which is point three percent of the positive tests for that age group and that is only point four percent of the total hospitalization statewide so as you said it's very very low number um there and in cash county i was able to look up on i think it's called ibis and through yesterday age 1 to 14 so it's a little bit different but for cache county we've had 15 hospitalizations throughout that whole time for ages 1 to 14 which for cache county is 1.8 percent of the total hospitalizations of all ages so it is very low risk for these these younger kids you know and and in saying that um first i want to just thank jordan jordan's been wonderful to work with and we really appreciate it so in in my comments i don't want it to sound that i'm being critical i'm just presenting some information that i have and we've really appreciated you and the thoughtfulness too of wanting to take care of these kids um but i have to question whether this is too much and let me let me explain why we don't i guess for that age group in cash county we don't have any deaths statewide the leading cause of 2019 for for death ages 10 to 17 is suicide and that really does concern me uh and for one of the things i found is for ages 0 to 14 so that younger set it's the fourth leading cause of death but it's behind stuff like congenital anomalies low birth weight and i forgot the other one is but it's stuff like that um in this utah state health department 2019 prevention needs assessment 62.2 percent of utah students in grades six eight ten and twelve so that includes sixth grade which is off often in elementary sixty two point two percent in 2019 experience moderate depressive symptoms okay so this is before the pandemic even even hit in 2019 the youth risks survey for high school students so this is the older kids and this is really sad 36.7 percent said they felt sad or hopeless 22 percent seriously considered attempting suicide that's one in four of our kids i'm sorry i get emotional but i had an email from a mom who said her elementary school student last year had considered seriously considered taking his own life because of the covet restrictions and how difficult emotionally it was for for him so i can't imagine that given those statistics and it's so hard to find numbers on this but i can't see that they've improved with the stress of covid all of the stress not just the lockdowns and the mask wearing and the testing and you know all of it's been hard but i've wondered how our kids have fared because if you look at what happened in denver in may of 2021 the denver children's hospital declared a state of emergency for youth mental health due to the pandemic and in the article talking about it they said kids have dealt with chronic stress for the last year that has interrupted their development and another doctor said our kids have run out of resilience their tanks are empty where are our kids on that scale it's so hard to gauge we don't know we don't really measure it but i'm wondering if this order which i know is absolutely well intentioned and i'm not at all trying to find fault that way but i wonder if maybe it would be better if we tested just those that had symptoms because really if they're sick they need to stay home and that could lessen the issue with kids feeling stressed out about oh my gosh i'm going to have to to test and it kind of scares them they're little these are our littlest kids and i think it's it is really stressful for them and there might be some that it's not a big deal but i think for a lot of them it is it is a big deal and it is stressful and i wonder if also in doing that we could take into account um if they've already had covert they could say look we've already had it um and also if we could work to improve the airflow in schools because that's supposed to be helpful to get you know to get the virus out but as i look at as i look at these numbers that i've that i've mentioned about the percentage that are hospitalized it's just it is so low that it is really hard for me to justify testing these really little kids like this so i just i just wanted to to put that out there and i don't know how the rest of the council feels but that those are my concerns jenny do we have the dashboard up by the way can we put that up because the the question i have right is this health order is to um the reason we're doing it is to uh slow the spread of cobit 19. so if we've said that and if you hit there's a there's a school's um thing as well and you can you can look and it'll show the community if you go down as well we'll look for some just some graphs there so there we go you can go back up to a little bit higher just a little bit to those three right there so all those curves are on the downward trend yeah statewide we're on a downward trend cash county water downward trend yep so you put this in for 30 days to slow the spread it's already there without any mitigations it admittedly this was drafted when we were going up right right we had the conversations and so so is there a need for it anymore that's a good point and and that's um i think the wisdom in the the legislature and drafting the way they did is that does give the council the prerogative to to make that determination i'm not an elected official there has to be a a reason or an avenue for redress so now and that's why we want to work with you is to say hey when we have these things what are we looking at what are the needs i know the stress is there's no there's no off ramp for a lot of this stuff you get stuck into things and it just progressively builds and builds and instead of instead of taking a a look at the data and saying hey what is happening number one in the community and then to gina's point number two i think you know the messaging on this has been problematic in a lot of ways and there's there's a lot of nuance in this and there's a lot of things that that are true that we often don't talk about or the press definitely doesn't do natural immunity is superior to vaccinated immunity that's that's a fact end of story now then that doesn't mean that anybody's an anti-vaxxer or if you're at risk you shouldn't go get vaccinated and you shouldn't talk to your health care professional about it at all but if you've got kids that have had covid do we really need to test those kids number one if you've got kids where you've got a low incidence of spread and no symptoms should we be testing them when the curve's going back down to increase that anxiety that the kids feel could we make these more targeted and could we deploy them when we're in you know the the uptake rather than than the downtown so one of the exemptions is natural immunity i mean we are not not going to attest individuals that tested positive previously we don't have vaccinated immunity in this population because they're not eligible but we did throw in if you've been in the exemption section it does allow for exclusion for natural immunity that means they had an actual positive test um so that that's already in there 180 days 180 days yeah okay so it's not like from the beginning it's just that i for the life of me don't understand what the big deal is why has culver become such a divisive issue i mean like you said head lice student came to school with head lice would he be quarantined and asked to stay home so that it doesn't spread to other kids of course he would if a student came to to school and had mumps would he be asked to stay home and be quarantined of course he would if a kid came to school and had smallpox would he be asked to stay home yes so why is it we are having such a hard time with this covet thing i mean it's a disease it spreads it has killed people we're trying to slow the spread and by simply having a simple test and if we as parents and adults aren't getting emotionally charged over it and passing that on to our kids then it's not going to be such an emotionally charged issue for them either we're not asking them to wear masks we're not asking them to mandating vaccinations or mass or anything like that that would make their lives more difficult it would make it uncomfortable for them and there's a lot of opt-out opportunities given i guess i just don't see the big deal i mean if i'm uh well carl the measles and mumps analogy they used of course the individual stayed home but they didn't cause all the rest of the kids in the school to have to be tested there's a whole difference of the whole well from the thing yeah but uh but nevertheless if it was if it had reached the point of a mass kind of infection then then we would and i'm old enough to know and remember when i was in grade school and got the measles they shut down the school because there were a lot of kids getting the measles and uh it wasn't a big deal we just knew that uh hey i got sick and i don't want somebody else to get sick and so i'll just uh we'll just stay home and i think every kid in your age group got the measles eventually and that's the thing that i've always said about you know this cove this can go on for the next 20 years if every time we have a covet person we shut the world down well but this but this isn't shutting the world down well we did shut the world down we did but we're looking towards doing a similar thing what we're talking about here with the test to stay thing doesn't shut the world down john i've got one thing to read to answer call's question but let's go with dave well john had something and then go to david i'd like to take a few minutes at the podium with some of the code sections it yes when that's a good point okay thanks john david yeah i reached out to several administrators that i i've known and worked with you know over the years and and that are currently administrators in the cache county school district and i asked him and says what do you think about this uh test estate program and uh and i said i will not name names but it says what do you think and every one of them said it's a waste of money he said it's a waste of money he says we already have things in place that if we start you know these symptoms we start seeing these that we get two or three cases in a class then we can go to that class and we can actually work with that class and get things taken care of and try to mitigate it that way and i know ridgeline i believe they shut the whole school down for about 10 days last year i believe was it i don't remember i wasn't here at that time sorry i remember they shut that down for about 10 days and in that process then when they all came back boy they it was like ready to go yeah they went the mask all that stuff but anyway they they had a they were able to squelch it but that was within the school district had that ability to do that and they said we can control this and do a lot of these things quite cheaply without being invasive in everybody's personal lives uh and that's how they they felt about that uh and so i you know i reached out to them and so forth but uh i'll get one other thing but i'll bring it up a little later so let's go ahead and well paul well and and i'll always keep going back to this because i always like to look back right before everybody lost their mind in 2020 and say what did we know and who were we listening to and who were the world experts so you've heard me quote him before i'm going to quote him again but expand a little bit so d.a henderson who was the uh dean of the school of health the john hopkins led the team that eradicated smallpox so if anybody knows about infectious disease and how to respond to it i'd say d.a henderson was pretty good and there's two two things i'm going to read one was on quarantine as experience shows there is no basis for recommending quarantine either of groups or individuals and this is for pandemic influenza so a similar virus spread the problem in implementing such measures are formidable and secondary effects of absenteeism and community disruption as well as possible adverse consequences such as loss of public trust in government and stigmatization of quarantined people and groups are likely to be considerable called it right on the head we start doing this and you have that and then we'll go back to the overriding principle experience has shown the communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted strong political and public health leadership to provide to provide reassurance and to ensure that the needed medical care services are provided are critical elements if either is seen to be less than optimal a manageable academic could move toward catastrophe so is what we're doing providing reassurance and providing that there are the needed medical care services or are we not providing reassurance and causing additional stress i mean i go back to this and it's it's almost precedent how he's written everything you just follow along and every every recommendation they made and what they would say the consequences would be if you didn't follow it it's almost like they saw it coming carl to your point i i'd like to just say i think one of the reasons this has become so difficult is because it was so drastic at the beginning it was two weeks to flatten it but it's not 18 months we're still here but what the cdc has said keeps changing fauci keeps changing and there's a lot of confusion because there's these experts say this this study says this on the other side it's the complete opposite then there's people trying to shut each other down over that's not a fact you can't say that and you know things like that and so it has just become a very crying situation and i i didn't live through measles that was before my time but i i don't know if it was anything like that but i i think that's what part of the part of the issue is so well i guess that's all i'm saying is we tend to raise this to such an emotional level that sometimes we are reluctant to do something that may be just a simple little thing to to help the situation somewhat and it's just to me the the test to stay thing is such a minimally invasive thing parents are being reached out to they don't their kids don't have to do it they're not required to do it and if they ought desire to opt out they can and i guess i just sit back and say really what's the big deal i don't uh they can but they have to stay home right right well but still they have to stay home the one thing that i take issue with is okay um we test all the we test all the youth in the class and um 89 of 90 of them don't test positive and so they get to stay in the class and 10 days later the same class has got some additional thing so they have to go through and do all the testing this testing does not keep people from becoming sick it doesn't keep people from becoming immune to it it just kicks it down the roadways and you know i i hope people aren't thinking that i'm against vaccination and that because i had a herd of dairy cows for 50 years and if i didn't vaccinate my dry cows if i didn't vaccinate my little calves if i didn't vaccinate and vaccinate vaccine vaccinated i didn't have a healthy herd of cows so the day that i was eligible to get the vaccine i was in there because i know what vaccines can do to help but i don't have too i guess i don't feel too good about forcing people to do things in my opinion that aren't necessary i mean i would love every one of my grandkids to get covered to get natural immunity to it and to go on because the chances of them getting really really sick like some of us have done it's just almost minimal and we're kicking the can down the road the only way that we're going to get through this pandemic is to get enough immunity to it that it hasn't got the effect on us that it's got now and you can't do that if you avoid everything you know the only thing that what i'm saying that's wrong and that is is when you get all these people sick and they have to go to the hospital then that's a concern but as far as our our young kids and our high school kids they're tough as nails and you know the percentage of it having a huge impact in their life is so small granted that those that do really get sick you just have your heart blocked but it's here the only way that you're going to get through it is you're going to have to get some form of immunity to it and if you don't figure out a way to get some form of immunity to it then you're playing russian roulette that eventually will grab you at some point and anyway i last time i made my statement i ended up with front page news and people from salt lake wanted to interview me and the only other thing that my position is still chant not change much but i mean i got lots of grandkids all my grandkids are in elementary school well it is a divisive issue and it doesn't matter what we do somebody's going to be mad at us you know that's true just how it is david did you want to say something now or should we have john go yeah my other question here is that so the process was that you you wrote the health order and you sent it to mr executives on the council and the council you had 72 hours from that point okay i want to know what was your stance at that point well i considered um whether or not i should overturn it but i had conversations with your chair gina worthen about it and she told me that she reached out to all of you and that you were supportive of it i think that was a misunderstanding i only knew at that by the time that came out i only knew of one person that was supportive i had no i had no idea what the others when we had three that were out of town so i'm sorry for the misunderstanding but no the council wasn't in support of it the council was i don't know how they feel about it so yeah i don't think you'll know until we vote will you no i don't there's there's a couple that i know because i kept trying to figure out what we needed to do if the council wanted it on the agenda or not i had originally told jordan well i don't know so we'll put it on after at 30 days because you asked for an extension possibly but then i had a council member asked to put on this agenda so i don't really i don't really know how it will go so i apologize for any misunderstanding there can i speak to the process on the health department side i mean i took this i i told uh gina that i wouldn't bring it push it towards another governing board unless my governing board approved it so we took it to the board of health they approved it then we went to and david was not able to attend that meeting we then took it to the school districts and got input from them on this issue and they gave the thumbs up and then before issuing the 24-hour notice i issued it to all county elected officials for any feedback on it and i only heard from one elected official in rich county with regards well and one from a a slight one from box elder county through another county commissioner so i before i actually gave it to the county executives i did give it to every county elected official for feedback asked to get that feedback back to me by tuesday i then issued the 24-hour notice to the county executives on a thursday evening so that's that's the process we went through on the health department side of things now i did and i maybe i didn't in that 24 hour period but maybe before you did i did correspond with you and ask about can we just test symptomatic kids not asymptomatic kids did i not say that probably yeah you know i think one thing that we would all agree with what i'm gonna say here and that is is there is just as many people passionate on one side as there is passionate on the other side and so we hear we hear confusion we hear opinions and it's not easy because they all make good points and they all are fairly understanding of what's going on and how they feel even though they're they're all quote experts from one side exactly right i mean if there was ever a bunch of confusion out there we're experiencing it and so i i look at i look at the i look at the cases i divide the cases by the deaths and we're talking less than one percent i mean it is so low that i think we're just emotional about it because we do all know somebody that's passed away but percentage-wise there's many other diseases that we went through in america that is just as deadly as this one and gordon one of the reasons i i hear you because i get both sides as well right i think i get all the emails you guys get i'm usually included on those um and and that's why i looked at the precedence of something such as head lice is once you have that a certain threshold in a classroom you screen everyone and you try to take a reasonable measure and in all honesty this was my effort to try to find some sort of middle ground in the polarization that's out there over this issue and it was an honest effort i admit that it may not be perfect but it was an effort to fulfill my responsibility that says you shall control the spread of infectious disease that's right there's no question you're doing the very best you can if with the parameters that you're given but i still hold the thing that we can test and we can test every kid in the class that's had three covet cases and in ten days we'll do it again we can that's a possibility we'll do it again so one one piece of data is we've we've now done tests to stay at multiple schools and on a school-wide level we're furthest out on those schools in davis county but they've seen a steep drop off in the cases in those schools the tests to say seem to have had some sort of impact whether it's impacting the disease or it's impacting testing behavior we don't know because there's confounding issues there but it's it's impacting that and we're seeing the same thing at mountain crest over the work tomorrow will be a week and we're at the lowest level we've been since the beginning of september in that population does that differ from the rest of the county yeah well so i had our epidemiologist look at that so the decline he compared it to the decline we saw in skyview which was a slow decline in cases and this decline goes like this it just drops off so i mean you see that big increase you remove those positive cases and it it appears um credit to our legislators that there was some wisdom in that test to stay that removing those positive cases has an impact on spread in a community such as a school setting but and so if you compare mountain crest to skyview because skyview had it a little bit earlier when our case counts were still rising hence this order and mountain crest came after the cases already started to fall did your epidemiologist make any adjustments based on community spread when saying mountain crest fell faster than skyview did but skyview happened when community spread was actually on the uptick where mount crest happened when communities froze on the downward slide so those would be you'd have to adjust somewhat to compare those numbers with yeah yeah you would but those those two communities have almost acted independent of one another in the way that we saw spread go through them right so they were all both on different if you ask me they were a little bit on a delayed epi curve down in down in the south part of the valley so i don't know i mean i don't know that that's go ahead if we let's suppose that we voted yes let's go ahead and and give this a try to see what will happen is this going to go on and on and on all school year or we have we got a thing that we're going to try to accomplish here you you have the opportunity if you vote it you have to renew it every 30 days by statute correct um in the order itself it says it automatically expires 60 days past the eua for vaccine at that point you have vaccine equity across the population and therefore the measure that the health department is recommending would be vaccinated immunity as opposed to natural immunity um trying to seek that out and and then we would just if we ever hit a test to stay thresholded beyond a school level but that's a shell in state code not underneath uh the health department's purview i mean we just support the schools in that does that make sense yeah back to back to what i was asking is that so in this process executive you could have in from your office you could have just said hey we're gonna not do this and you could have sent that order or i should say uh delayed that order or got rid of that order from your office you chose not to so now we have it as a council right okay and that's where at this point i would say uh that we uh with all this information and that to me it is terrific it is i think it's wonderful dialogue i wonder i'm glad we're talking about this out loud and not you know just behind the doors and all that stuff i don't think it has to be divisive it really doesn't but i i am in favor of just taking this information and and then we'll look at it on the to delay the layout delay our decision until that second week of october october 12th okay it's on motion i would make that motion i'll second that okay it's moved and seconded i just want time to delay making a decision on this until october 12th but yes um i usually call for further discussion and i know that john wanted to see a quick discussion on that so so we can talk about either terminating the order or maybe working because jordan's been great to work with we've had a lot of good discussions highly respect him um i get asked tough questions he gets to ask tough questions it's a great thing and it's respectful which i wish everybody in the community would do i mean some people you know have not been respectful to us as you well know and i try to be respectful to everyone and that's i think been the biggest disappointment in all of this is we're all facing this every one of us has had those lost loved ones or lost friends or have had in the hospital for long periods of time or suffered through this so a little grace and a little compassion in our community could go a long long way because regardless of where you come down on any issue i don't know anybody up here that doesn't care about our children care about our family members and care about our community functioning and having to be a good place so the divisiveness has got to stop and that doesn't mean we can't ask hard questions and have difficult discussions but we need to be respectful so now the way i understand it it will go into effect at least for it's already in effect it's in effect it started september 20th and it will go through october 20th right okay before we vote on this john wanted to advise us i wanted to touch on a couple of things that weren't mentioned expressly here but because i've also received public input and know that those with the same input has reached at least some of you i wanted to to raise that as well one of those things is whether the the test to stay program understates statute not the one that jordan has issued but the one under state statute whether someone has to ha test to stay and that there was a settlement agreement out of summit county where some entities said our view of the statute is you don't have to actually test to stay i just and and are and you i have heard and i know some of you have heard citizens saying that is precedent that settlement agreement is precedent that this county ought to follow if you look at the statutory definition of test to stay program which is that subsection h up there test to stay program means a program through which an lea provides testing for cover 19 students two sub one identify cases of coven 19 and sub two allow individuals who test negative to attend school in person you can't test negative without testing so i i wanted you to know that that my office does not interpret that the same way that you may have seen in a settlement agreement elsewhere you do have to actually test to test negative and so i don't know how um those settling parties arrived at a conclusion that that's not required would your office consider um a former you know a positive test for for for coving so you've naturally recovered be able to say hey i don't need to test to test negative i can show you yes yeah i think that fits within testing negative okay i think that's important for people to know that that's a again very nuanced scenario the other issue that's been raised with me has to do with freedoms being infringed upon and on that no on that particular point i i would note that whether freedoms in our constitutional system are being infringed upon has a whole lot more to do with process than with the particular mandate or restriction by government here's what i mean by that the rally cry prior to the revolution was not no taxation it was no taxation without representation the founders didn't say government can't require things of us they said we need proper process at constitution day at casey snyder's i picked up another copy of the constitution and read it this last week along with the declaration that recounts the long train of abuses by king george none of them that i could see identify a particular mandate they and i won't read them because of the time of the meeting but you read through them and they have to do with process the king shuts down the legislature and so forth it's process there is safety in our process on this jordan proposes 24 hours and then 72 hours and then you've got a review and then further review and then jordan could take more action and then you could take more there and then you can get courts involved to strike it down or whatever there is plenty of process and there are mandates as equal or more onerous whether it's to wear a seat belt to wear a blouse in public to turn your headlights on don't build on the front 30 feet of your property we have plenty of government mandate that we aren't out saying my freedoms being infringed upon because the process is there to make sure that it's not a mandate from a dictator so i i think that for people to say that a test to stay program that has multiple levels of review and check and balance is an infringement on freedom is not accurate and i haven't heard that from any of you but i've heard it from the public and want to say that publicly i think that's a great time just to say i think the process has been good as you've seen i hope everybody has communicated with me saying i'm willing to engage in the discussion have the process and as i look what's happening across the country some areas are getting it right some areas are not but while they're here representative schneider and senator wilson thank you thank you i think the utah legislature has done a great job of trying to i mean subsidiary is a big thing in america right what you could do at the local level you do what you need the state you know the county to do outside of the city and so on so the more you can push the power and distribute it and give it to the people to be able to uh monitor their own affairs and go through that process the better it is i think we've really done a great job in utah i'm going to use an anecdote from today to preface my my last remark the county today experienced a suicide attempt we've had as you know almost epidemic proportion there 36 to date in the county this year i believe last year we had somewhere between 8 and 12 all year that person received cpr was taken to an emergency room and life flight came and waited over an hour and a half terrell could give us more detail four hours to get into an icu room in utah they're full but they were looking at trying to fly them to nevada whether that person makes it may depend on that four hour delay covet plays a part in that that we all know this is an ongoing thing and suicide is our other epidemic if not pandemic the in in the law our trial courts hear facts and decide cases and apply the facts and you go up on appeal if it has to do with did you apply the facts to the law correctly the appellate court doesn't hold a new trial the supreme court doesn't um invite all the witnesses in and you retry the case for those kinds of appeals the the court exercises summaries the appellate court exercises some restraint and says the trial court was on the front line has some expertise there and as long as the trial court didn't abuse its discretion we're going to affirm if i were sitting as the trial judge i might have come up with a different decision but where the appellate court as long as what they did was within a range of reason we're going to affirm then they say if but if we're interpreting the law then yeah our appellate courts get to go back and do it from scratch and give no deference to the lower i your review of the health department's order you're not told whether it's de novo you start from scratch or whether it's abuse of discretion but i'd suggest to you to take an abusive discretion stance part i believe of the what contributes to the distress the division confusion and therefore hopelessness that leads to suicide is our lack of trust in public institutions our contention and division and for with all due respect non-medical people to take a de novo review of what the medical professionals are saying and and then essentially say to the public we don't trust our medical professionals when we look at it we decide better oh in my mind at this stage of the pandemic does not bring trust to public institutions it does not bring reassurance to the population and especially our kids i've got kids i'd let a swab go up their nostril i've had the one to the back of my head i don't know that i'd allow that but i'd let the one in their nostril so that there can be reassurance that when i go to school i'm not going to be infected i and more than that let's say let's send the message of trust we trust our health professionals in this county and and yes this dialogue is essential but i'd urge you to engage in this dialogue from an abusive discretion standpoint is is the health department's order of constraint within the realm of reasonableness for where we are can we stay unified rather than send a message that man even our local health department can't get it right that that's my thoughts on with a reflection on the law john thank you i do want to respond to something in there because i get a lot of emails to that point of what the experts decide as a legislative body it is our duty to take all the information that we can get and filter it and figure out what the best public policy is and sometimes different experts are singularly focused on something and there are other considerations to make especially if you think back to the first of this pandemic and the letter that we wrote as a council asking to go to green because the singular focus had been to shut everything down but in doing so we had seen an increase in domestic violence we had seen an increased use of the food bank we were seeing increase in suicide at one point we had more suicides in the valley than we had deaths from covid and so there was more to consider and so i feel that as a legislative body it is our duty and it doesn't have to do with not trusting has to do with taking all the information we can get because experts in every county differ right so i don't want to be misunderstood on what i just said okay i think you still need to gather all the information to know whether someone has abused their discretion in making a decision based on that information and i'm not weighing on in on orders or decisions that were made earlier in the pandemic but at this point in the pandemic i earlier or later i i'd suggest that as you gather all that information that the question not be did they get it right or wrong but have they made a decision that's within the realm of reasonableness for where we are now thank you john madden chair can i just suggest we we have a motion yes you're calling the question to call the question please call the question is there any objection okay proceed to vote motion is to delay taking any action on this item until our october 12th meeting correct okay all in favor i say that oh i'm sorry i'm willing to maybe listen to a few more emails you might get a few yeah i'm sure a few where are you coming and that's fine but we'll uh i think i think it's great to have a dialogue and move from there so okay so all in favor of the motion any opposed any abstention okay we'll put this back on the agenda for october 12th so just be clear the order stands we didn't do anything the order is still in place and we will revisit on october 12th okay i've been asked by the clerk the auditor without objection from the council if we could quickly move to 11d property tax relief requests because he has to leave so we have two property tax relief requests and the the issues with them and jess can explain more but basically the issue with them is the first the first one did not turn in the required tax um tax returns and there's concern that there is money being made off of some investments that that may have matured and been able for this person to get them and the second one is that this person if you remember when the the uh pandemic started they had a home business they couldn't go to conventions and sell their wares and lost their job and asked us to give them a tax exemption that or you know tax exemption that year but now is asking again uh during a time when there's plenty of places to find a job so those are the two uh auditor bradfield do you want to fill us in on any more than that no um i think you've done a good job expl well yes i think you've done a good job explaining it this is probably one of the least favorite aspects of my job is discussing personal finances of people who are asking for exemptions and giving us all their information tugs at the heart strings quite a bit but in these two cases i've gone back and forth with diana schaefer to reach this we we discuss these we have long discussions and in both cases we recommend denial i recommend denial in both cases thank you counsel any discussion or i'll entertain a motion can i ask a question and that's partly because we have not received all the information from those citizens as to what they have as investments or whatever else is that correct uh for one of them that is correct yeah we usually don't use the name we just use the the number of their property so the first one 7 3 20. as i read through those i concur the we want we want to be able to provide relief when there is a legitimate need but if the legitimate need has not been demonstrated they've been holding the information necessary for us to determine that i don't see that we have much of a much of any kind of a an option other than to recommend in ireland so i would move that we recommend denial on both of these hardship requests second okay it's been moved and seconded to deny both of these property tax relief requests is there any further discussion kingdom will proceed to vote all in favor aye any opposed any abstention passage unanimously thank you council thank you okay we'll now move to um item 11 a ordinance 21 20 21 21 that's a tongue twister amendments to title 17 to allow a winery we should have talked about the cheese festival we could have wine and cheese i didn't know if we were gonna make it here so here we are this has been a great process to work through the winery discussion you've been through this a lot longer than the planning commission has as you've considered the ordinance amendment that allowed alcohol production in the county so you're just seeing the back end of all of this um what i've got here is uh kind of a brief overview of some of the pieces that we're involved with what you have before you is a recommendation from the planning commission a unanimous recommendation from them so far as the requirements that may be attached to the winery use related definition so i'll go through that there's really three sections we're going to talk about we're going to talk about timeline those guiding questions that i referenced with you and then that proposed land use amendment um so as we look at kind of that timeline april 2021 the code was amended to allow that act wow i can't say say it apparently alcohol production been drinking i left my bottle back in my seat i don't know what's in it um but then again sorry this specifically to that that required again the trying to fluster me i'm sorry that required the the planning commission or the council in this case first to consider a land use ordinance amendment and then adopt a land you sort in an ordinance amendment before that ordinance to allow alcohol production could take effect that's our part that we're looking at so initially the council looked a couple different options you looked at if you were going to amend the agritourism ordinance to include this piece or you would create a separate use type that would address this with much discussion it was decided that a single use type would be addressed because it was a simpler clear process but there would be need in the future to amend the county agritourism ordinance but in this case it was simply for the winery use type and the commission agrees with that they think that's the best approach oh i'm going to draw one point that kind of ties into these things the commission had this discussion quite a bit is what how are we drawing this line between agri-tours i'm starting agriculture and manufacturing that gets to be somewhat of a gray line sometimes and agriculture and commercial operations and so agri-tourism is walking in that line very closely and so they were trying to be very aware as they assigned some requirements to this winery use type that would help to clarify that distinction i think i've already covered some of these pieces uh they did have a public hearing and they have that recommendation before you for ordinance 2021-21 to amend the county land use code so these are the questions that you discussed and i'm just going to skip through these unless you have specific questions i don't want to take a ton of time in addressing these unless there is an issue first of all how can the scale of the operation be limited the most obvious thing is we had our discussion was to restrict the number of cases that the winery could produce in a year so as that was reviewed we looked at a number of different cases case limitations to see what number of cases produced an impact that would be reasonable so they looked at about a thousand they looked at a five thousand limit and they looked at this fifteen thousand limit and determined that within that range that was reasonable to go all the way up to fifteen thousand cases within a year's time um because there wasn't a big distinction distinction between fifteen thousand to five thousand to one thousand so far as the impact uh something else that was brought up was maybe the need in the future for a phased approach that would consider different levels of wineries and that may fit in our current approach in stating that agricultural manufacturing may allow an additional increase but they would have to then rezone and pursue additional approvals through the county the second question was what are the possible impacts to the ag zone looking at the 15 000 cases of wine per year seem to have a pretty small impact in the a-10 zone we're looking at things like traffic primarily maybes noise maybe smells those types of things are fairly typical in the agricultural use so it didn't seem to to add an additional impact i'm going to skip down this is a continuation of that question if you look at what a typical semi-trailer might pull in and out of that to give you some reference standard wine bottle has 750 milliliters of wine standard case of wine has 12 bottles a pallet of wine typically holds 56 cases and there's approximately 20 pallets that you can fit on a 40 foot long reefer refrigerated semi trailer that's about a 100 1 120 cases per semi trailer so if you were to accommodate that now granted i'm sure a semi isn't going to come in and pick up 1100 cases every time but it gives you a picture of what that traffic may be what it might look like to accommodate 15 000 cases now that would be a pretty successful fully functioning operation i think most of these operations as they get going aren't going to hit that 15 000 cases right off the bat it will be a gradual phased growth this 15 000 allows growth to occur so that's something else the planning commission was trying to be conscientious of is are we setting up a use where they're going to immediately fail because there's not a sufficient amount of flexibility so that's what the 15 000 also reflects see here we also went and visited slide ridge which is a local winery in mendon to get kind of a feel for what their operation was it wasn't quite apples to apples on the comparison because they handle twenty to thirty cases of wine per year as opposed to fifteen thousand there are some pretty strict and challenging regulations when you look at different uh code requirements between the states each state has its own rules for how you handle alcohol so if you're going to sell outside of the state of utah there's some challenges associated with that and if you're not equipped to handle those challenges it's it's difficult um but it did give our commission a pretty good feel for what might be involved for this type of a production and they felt very confident with the 15 000 case limit based on what they saw third question how is the preservation of ag land encouraged there are some restrictions that you'll see as we work through this piece of code that each set of requirements limits what can happen so we're going to look at this really quickly first it has to be accessory to a primary ag production use second it has to be on land that qualifies as land under ag use under the farmland assessment act typically you're going to consider greenbelt as a reference there it's got to be a minimum of five acres that's in production so if they've got five acres but then have a house or structure on it that's just subtracted from that area now i know enough about the taxes to get me in trouble so that's all i'm going to say on the tax end but we we would recommend and what we did recently with a similar type um agritourism use that came through our planning commission is we discussed this with the county assessor's office with dixie page and with kathleen if needed to see if they can qualify under the farmland assessment act as land and agricultural production so that would be the same here as we refer and and rely upon our county assessor to help us make that determination uh let's see can uh question three again we identified a minimum of 51 percent of the ag products must be grown within the county now we went all over the place on this discussion whether it's 51 percent or what the percent is and where it needs to come from and in looking at the realities of how a winery would operate it's again we needed to leave flexibility in where product needed to come from so if there was a specific area in the county let's let's say the site was directly affected and all the material had to come from the site that's an immediate impact so as you read through this you'll notice that there's two exceptions at the end that's specific to natural disasters and is specific to initial startup there's some exception given for where some of that material can be pulled from outs off the site outside of the county even but those are very specific instances uh question four how can the impact on neighboring properties be limited the biggest thing we can point to there is the primary use of the property is ag it has to be the primary use the question you're going to have to start thinking about as a council and the commission will is when we talk about agritourism is where that line starts to get blurred where does the county expect to have agritourism occur what zone does it occur in how do we address that specifically when we start placing this next to residential type properties a winery out in the middle of a bunch of ag land is not going to have an impact or probably even be noticed but when you start putting it next to homes like where this would be well one of the pers the anticipated locations would be is right adjacent to a lot of residential uh communities and neighborhoods so that right now is what we have primarily is it's got to be primarily agriculture and qualify as farm or sorry land under agricultural use by as determined by the farmland assessment act it's also got to be located on parcel a parcel or parcels that are a minimum of five acres in size that means that they can be multiple contiguous acres that are attached to each other that combine would equal more than five acres so if you have a parcel of property whether you want to put the winery that's only two acres in size but have an adjoining piece that's three or four or five acres you can combine those and get your sufficient acreage to meet that requirement the other thing we've noted is the number of cases is limited no more than fifteen thousand cases of wine per year and it's only permitted in the a-10 fr-40 and resort recreation zones so it's not permitted in our res our our rural two and rural five-acre residential specific zones really i see the primary impact when we start talking about residential impacts would be in the a-10 zone where you also allow single-family dwellings fifth question is how is access to these types of facilities addressed uh that will be through our conditional use permit process so the county engineer is gonna look at this request when we submit or someone submits an application for this type of use and we send it out for review and they'll have to meet any requirements that the road manual currently currently requires there's not an additional requirement that we would see as being necessary for this type of use question six what amendments to the agritourism definition are needed i referenced that earlier at the beginning of the public hearing there was one change in referencing the definition or what of what small scale might mean and that's talking about the small-scale slaughter facility that was recently adopted and also wineries to exclude them as being qualified as small-scale processing facilities indicating that for an approval to be issued for those they couldn't qualify under agritourism they could only qualify under those separate use types and i've already referenced this also we do recommend in the future amending agritourism ordinance language do you want to do that before the whole general plan or do you want to do it within the general plan um i don't want to think about it right now is that fair you just you just tell me that later i i think i think from a timing standpoint my preference is after the general plan it depends what year the junior plan comes in i can address that too but maybe later i've had a couple questions out from from david and from council members about when that might happen and i asked that question to our consultant today so i can give you some current feedback but those are the questions you asked the council or a commission to look at and so they looked at those and those are their responses with staff's input also on how those were best addressed and so i'd really be curious if there were concerns with those items that were addressed those questions that were addressed that we address those maybe as we look at the code and i can take some of those uh take some of that direction if needed what i'd like to do right now then is look at the proposed land use amendment i'll pull that up on a pdf here and look at that use related definition the schedule of zoning uses and that small change on the use related definition for agritourism are they picking grapes out there so

can you make wine out of the outside three raisins at room temperature never mind we looked it up and it doesn't look like something you'd ever want to drink but it exists it exists um my grandpa used to like fermented cherries yeah so you can see also that processing has a lot of pieces to it processing includes wholesale and retail sales that's contemplating the fact that the winery may want to sell their product at their site now they still have to meet all the state rules with that there's packaging agency rules and you'll see some of that also included in your packet of what that means i'm not going to go into the details there because that's outside of the scope of the languages requirement but it is part of the alcohol ordinance that you adopted um crushing fermenting blending aging storage bottling and administrative office functions and then again it points to that section that you've adopted in title 5.08 that apply to that use type uh the following requirements also apply and here's where you start to restrict where this can occur oh that that one too quick let's try that again so a winery must be accessory to a primary ag production use that means the primary use of the property is for agriculture it doesn't specify what type of ag is occurring there it just has to qualify as agricultural production a winery must be located on land that qualifies as land under agricultural use under the farmland assessment act as stated there and then be located on a legal parcel or contiguous legal parcels that are five acres or larger in size now just tonight as i was reading through this and having some discussion with another staff member here i'm going to recommend for clarity that that be amended to read be located on a legal parcel or contiguously legal parcels that are a total of five acres or larger in size just for clarity that goes along with your green belt yes definition doesn't it then yes and it extends it just a little bit yeah but you said total of five correct minimum two parcels less than five that are totaling five right correct and that doesn't meet the green belt it does meet the green belt continuous and i'll tell you why this is there for clarity under the two to get green belt status together yes yes you can so under the farmland assessment act those green belt rules can be used to apply to parcels that aren't even contiguous but under that law don't they say they have to own those not access them as rental or anything else correct so those parcels under the farmland assessment act you have two pieces there so first it's the farmland assessment act which is a broader scope so we're starting here with this and we keep narrowing that window so first we're saying it's got to be at land under ag production second we're saying it has to qualify under the farmland assessment act which says i could have the winery on a two acre parcel but five miles away i could have 50 acres that qualify and that means i can piggyback those together and it would qualify under the farmland assessment act if it met all the other rules right so the next step down from there is saying not only do you have to qualify under the farmland assessment act you also have to have legal contiguous parcels that are five acres or larger in size so it's taking that five acres and saying you also have to have five acres on your property you have to have five acres period and that helps create some of that or reduce some of that impact that may be perceived for neighboring properties now the next step we take is number three wine produced by the processing facility must be produced from 51 percent or more of the agricultural products that have been grown within the legally defined boundaries of cache county initially that said legally defined boundaries of the property and that was too restrictive that's really not a realistic approach for how that needs to function and so it was expanded to the boundaries of cache county and there are some exceptions to that as i noted earlier um well let's read those the winery may use agricultural products grown outside the county to produce wine and a local wine producer may use bulk or purchase bulk beverage fermented brewed or distilled by a licensed alcohol manufacturer and blend the beverage with the local producers alcoholic beverage basically bringing something in from outside to produce their product if there's insufficient supply of ag products within cache county due to an event caused by a natural by natural phenomena whose effects were not preventable with the exercise of reasonable care and foresight that is fairly subjective i'll tell you right now that's fairly subjective but it gives some level of intent for what that is intended to cover there's flexibility there the second one or the on-site and local agricultural product is not yet of a sufficient quantity to support the production of wine but sufficient resources that will be used as part of the wine production in the form of planted vines plants trees hives and similar are present and of an equivalent amount to support the quantity of product to be produced so this considers that initial startup what all that language is intended to do is prevent someone from showing up on the site saying you know in five years i'm going to have however many hives or vines or whatever it is so i want to start producing from this moment to that extent this says they have to have it on site or it's they're limited in what they can produce that's what it's intended to do so at that point that's where we've winnowed this down as close as we can to that restriction the next section is a little bit different it isn't it does a little bit of that but it's not about the ag use it's not about the land it's something else now we're talking about retail sales tours tasting facilities and i'll read that here those or my retail sales tours and tasting facilities of wine and related accessory promotional items are also permitted as part of the winery operation and then there's some subheadings so a retail sale tour or tasting means tours of the winery or tasting of beverages produced by the winery or both during operating hours the wine producer may serve food in conjunction with tours and tastings provided the amount and type of food is intended to be secondary and complementary to and part of the tours and tastings and the food arrives at the establishment ready for service or in a state generally ready for consumption so that's referring to the fact that this is a tasting winery not a restaurant with alcohol on the side the primary purpose of this use is for the tasting in the winery there are some requirements under the state rules that say that they need to have some food on the site and accommodate that but that's not the primary purpose of that use let's see number five this is again another restriction on the winery production of wine is limited to no more than fifteen thousand cases per calendar year just as a reminder this is something that they can grow too um most wineries i don't anticipate would go straight to that point but we haven't done this before this is new to the county and this is certainly feels like a middle ground to me that leaves room for flexibility for growth and doesn't artificially block what a business should be able to do in their growth the last one number six is something that was requested by the council to be added and you can start to feel the flavor of agritourism in this because it's a straight copy paste from the agritourism ordinance that allows overnight accommodation at the site now it is fairly challenging because it does require for overnight accommodation that it's a guest room within an owner-occupied dwelling he still has to meet building co requirements so that's fairly restrictive from the case of not allowing a full recreational type use where it's a separate structure and separate dwelling for those types of folks to stay at and enjoy was there a reason uh on that why it was restricted yeah uh i think for me if i remember correctly it came back with agritourism of trying to draw that line carefully between what was still related to ag and what was now more of a recreational or commercial type activity we had a fairly lengthy discussion about that and it's we didn't want to turn into a hotel yeah i have a question it has nothing to do with this ordinance but it's in my mind and i've got to get an answer for it how many cases of wine can five acres of grapes produce does anybody know i i can't remember to tell you i know we've had that discussion and i don't remember off top my head is it a lot i i don't know i i could refer to the applica what's that so in five acres you're not going to make 15 000 cases so if you're getting 18 dollars close to 60 acres that's you'd have to be a pretty big operation but that's for grapes i would assume that's great so remember winery is broader and so i can't i can't say for certain what that would mean for apples or milk or potatoes i don't know that's a challenging question to address there's a sign about that so we really are testing something new for the county and we're going to have to learn through this i guarantee you this quote isn't perfect as soon as we test it we'll find all the holes which unfortunately is how that tends to function when we haven't done it before we've done the best we can pulling from other resources to say what seems to work for the county here but i do feel like we just put our toe in the water and we're not quite got our head wrapped all the way around what this means because it's it's going to tie into some bigger pieces that we haven't talked about yet does this section cover hard hard cider is it yes i thought it was in there when we originally did it because i know there's people i was approached by 10 years ago people in paradise that wanted to do hard cider yeah fruits plants honey or milk or other like substance it's pretty broad and i noticed i finally found my loose of four rooms it went here rather than the other ordinance

yeah four rooms right here no more than no more than four guest rooms with a maximum of two per room i don't remember why the 15-year age limit is there uh i don't unders i don't recall yeah i'm going to skip down really quickly to this other piece it's probably a little less controversial uh the schedule of zoning uses identifies that this use would be allowed as a conditionally permitted use in the 810 fr40 and resort recreation zones only so that's the that's what i don't like yeah you throw conditional use permit on this and you got it oh it's a guaranteed approval yeah i don't like that part i do not like the fr-40 or the rr that's that's amendable it's just there that's the recommendation i think i think just keep it in the act zone and that and then you're tied to agritourism you just keep it in the action that makes a clear indicator of that it is tied to ag i agree i would agree i don't i don't think the commission has a strong opinion or strong recommendation either way there fr 40 that's like back backwoods moonshining you know

i don't know i i'm just sitting there going i don't really want to open up to that now i want to ask you about any stills you know about dave that means you don't have to haul your own beer when you go four-wheeling you stop off of the place and get it see that sound is there those are the two i i i thought isn't there a way that we can as a council strike fr-40 and rr absolutely yes so this is a recommendation to you from the commission you are the authority now what was their rationale could i ask on those two um i think the a10 and fr40 are going to be similar to the small scale slaughter facility which they had just approved and it seemed similar in its use type and that seemed reasonable the resort recreation was tied to the fact that most resort recreation type facilities none of which we have in the county are driven more towards that type of use it's more of a recreational interactive they've got to have 2 000 acres golf course we're looking at a whole different scale of operation and so it seemed appropriate to tie it to that and allow it to occur in that type of zoning again we that's not been really tested but it's not an egg correct well but so fr 40 does have ag in it so it does but i i mean you go up farting canyon you've got fr40 and they're farming it that's right and you go into i i would i would suggest that we do we scratch the fr-40 and then we can review it if somebody can come and share with us how it would work is that a motion gordy the are you two the ru5 dude do you want to make that one leave that no i just want it no in the ru2 r85 you'll prove it i think maybe conditionally used to be putting a10 and that's that's it myself right we moved and seconded the strike fr-40 uh and also the resort okay now that doesn't mean that somebody can't come and approach us and share with us how it could work i mean it's just saying i don't quite see how that's going to work so let's not put it in there and then at a future date it can always be changed okay uh i'll be almost done i'm almost ready to say let's go ahead and do this and be happy with it let's vote on this part first all in favor of striking fr-40 and the resort zone any opposed any abstention motion carries unanimously i mean it's getting nine o'clock and you know my lights start to go out about nine and i'm not sure i'll be able to participate very well you guys want to vote on this tonight i'm paul's ready to make a motion i'd like to look at it one more week and just go through it again but but whatever the council wants to do is there anything other information that we need to have to vote for it i don't think there's going to be anything else coming i'm pretty supportive of it i am too i think i am paul you can make your motion if you want to all right well if we do that yeah i mean it looks like they've addressed everything that we've talked about they did a fantastic job horse until it was dead buried it dug it back up and then i ran in i ran into keith mickel believe it or not at the parts store and i said i see you're on the agenda and he he was very supportive of what you know the council and the plane and zoning had put together and so i think you know i think it's good i mean if that's what we've decided to do then let's go ahead and do it okay well then i'll make the motion to waive the rules and approve ordinance 2021-21 to title 17 to allow a winery and that motion includes the what we just voted on to strike fr-40 and resort recreation okay it's been moved and segmented to approve with the amendment ordinance 2021-21 amendment title 17 to allow a winery all in favor now i would like go ahead any abstention no motion carries unanimously i would like mr mickel to bring us a sample of grape juice no i'd like to taste his grapes okay i think they're just going to be uh honorary county council people with as long as they've been here so okay in the interest of time let's move quick to resolution 2021-19 approving an interlocal and intergovernmental housing agreement for housing inmates at the cash county jail is the sheriff's still here i think he laughed out yeah he was smart he left i read through that i mean it makes sense it's just a more formality isn't it i think it is um executive zik do you have any input on it or bryce do you have any input on that or executives do you have anything to add on on this i'm sorry uh janine was just adding something is because it's inter local and intergovernmental dealing with two different okay so it really it's a contract that has formalities already approved but it needs official that's what he's been doing with all the different counties bringing them in i i would then waive the rules and make a motion to approve resolution 2021-19 resolution approving the inter-local and entertainment governmental housing agreement for housing inmates at the cash county jail second okay okay it's been moved and segmented to approve resolution 2021-19 and carl just described it so i'm not going to resay it is there any further discussion hearing that i'll proceed to vote all in favor aye any opposed any abstention i abstain because i forgot to read it so i don't want to vote on something i didn't read okay we'll move to item 11c a discussion regarding agricultural protection area advisory board let me give you a little background on this we've had a resident who came to her attention that our agricultural advisory board just kind of died and so we wanted to get the council's feelings on whether or not we should restart this i had some good conversations with chris herrill and i also asked casey snyder if he'd be here casey has been great to sit here for a long time um casey do you want to casey's got a background of course in agriculture and preserving agriculture and you know have some words you want to come up here to add for us i will say um the best thing i've seen tonight is that after a riveting discussion about kovid we had an even more riveting discussion about wine so that's proof that covet will drive anybody to drinking a little longer and we'll give you the second version of wine there you go talk about the cheese yeah exactly you know it's never a dull moment here in cache county i should come more often so um well i kind of wanted to maybe tailor my discussions and chris and i had this discussion prior so you've got the the ag advice the protection side of this and the ag advisory side and so um they're they're very separate animals and i know on the agenda item it's more on the protection side i'd if if the council's okay with that i'd more like to direct my comments at the advisory board proper if that's okay um so as you're i mean some of you are probably participating in that i know joe furman participated in it 10 oh almost 15 years ago the the ag advisory board was kind of put together at that time because we were losing agriculture in this in this county quicker than than we had ever seen before you fast forward now to where we're at now and it's it's light years of where it was 15 years ago and uh and and our community is is losing what is a was as a base industry um which is which is a good and a bad thing right where our kids are able to find work here we're able to grow our economy is doing very well um but we're not taking care of the things that have always been fundamental to to who we are as cache county and one of the frustrations that i've always had whether it's in the legislature or anything else is agriculture is always seen as the place where we'll put something else right it's something is usually agricultural zone and we hold that sort of open because maybe one day we'll have an industry of some sort there or or a housing development of some type there it's always it's it's not uh prioritizing it it's always the space where we'll fit something else and one of the things that i think that we that is worthy of discussion is finding ways that you can prioritize the existence of agriculture like you would prioritize the existence of anything else rather than seeing it only a second fiddle identifying the prime agricultural lands and then moving forward with whatever means possible to incentivize those industries to stay in business or to protect those spaces long terms through through a series of of financial incentives i know when the advisory board met prior they identified critical areas for agriculture in this valley and it was you know mostly the west side and or there were some prime soils and and critical irrigation infrastructure but i think now we're we're at this uh crossroads where we may not see cache county as either rural or agricultural in the next 10 to 15 years we need to start prioritizing it or those decisions will happen without our input so if the county is amenable i would recommend maybe rebooting that in some form or fashion and and i'm happy to lend my time and talent if if i have either of those to that effort so that's sort of the quick and dirty on that front thank you casey question council we haven't dissolved the um set aside board what's it called advisory board we haven't we've never set it aside it might not be meaty it might be new members that's defunct i mean like yeah it's not meeting we don't know who the members are chris do you want to speak to that he's been working on this joe are you the only living one left thank you casey by the way are you the only living one left that was on that board we used to always have one representative from the conservation districts one from the north cache and one from the from the farm bureau locksmiths fork in north cash and then one from the farm bureau i mean they they're still in operation so we police got three standing members even though they haven't functioned but when you know if we want to do an act protection now you would just call that board together and do it yeah i can address some of that um i did a little bit of digging around after talking to madam chair about the agricultural protectionary advisory board who primarily is going to look at your ag protection areas and the last time you had one come through it just kind of went through a process it went to the to the board who we typically sent it to but it was just checked marked by one person and sent back it didn't go through the right process now that's water under the bridge that's not an issue presently with how that occurred but i reached out to that same group to the conservation talk to terry spacman and i forgot the other guy there on the north cache conservation district and just to get a feel from them if they'd been operating as a board or what's been going on not in the district but under this ag protection area advisory board and they said not really that kind of has not been functioning and so that's when i shared that and we've had these discussions of trying to resolve what the next steps might be so in your packet that i gave to you there's some recommendation there that it probably would be a good idea to sit down and chat there was a resolution back in 1995 that's still been in adopted as part of the current code as reference that points to the county executive is making it a recommendation to the council who would then appoint who's on the agricultural advisory board your code also specifies it has to be from one of those conservation districts whether it's blocksmith work or north cash from their senior advisory board i forget the title now um so when it when it's pulled from that then you can make that assignment it's a five member board and they hear those requests and requirements a question i've had as i've done this research that's come up is you've got the agriculture protection area advisory board you've got the cache county agriculture advisory board and i think there's also a state agriculture advisory board i've been work doing my darndest to track down the cache county ag advisory board i can find references to it all over the place i cannot find anything that identifies who are members of this board or how they currently function or when they may be ceased to function there was a lot of good work done there in the past and i'm not sure where it ended i can see as recent as 2002 that there's been some good sorry i really think we could uh tap clark israelson and he could give us some pretty good information he's in jamaica right now but i think i think he would still respond to an email he may and i'm i was going to reach out to some more of those folks on this on those north conservation or the conservation district folks because i think they'll also have some good ideas john white probably knows some of those details i haven't chatted with him yet when i used to sit on that board the chairman of each board sat on the ag protection group and then i think the county agents sat in on a couple other board members and i remember who they who they who they were how they decided to appoint them but i mean at one time it was a very active border because when they first was talking about what they could do 15 years ago about ag protection that was one of the things that the state did is they came up with the the ag protection zones and those zones are still very very very good um i mean you can't put a highway through them you can't do a lot of things through an egg protection zone and so they're still intact it's not that they've been dissolved but i don't know if the if the area is ready to try to protect land again it's gotten to the point where it's so hard to make a living agriculturally wise that at least in the south end of the valley that there's just not a lot of just not a lot of thing i think joe furman might be the last banner man to hold the egg the ag zone in the south end of the valley but anyway that's how the board was set up and and in years ago when i was on the blacksmith fork board i was active in that and then when i got appointed to the county council i had to resign and that's how i ended up off and i never could figure out how when john got on the board how he didn't have to resign it never made any sense to me anyway that was i remember attorney danes come out and said we're going to appoint you to the board but you have to be willing to get you know put in your resignation on the blacksmith fork board so we did i think the timing is ripe with the general plan being wrapped up well i said i'd talk about that didn't i um sorry dave that is a priority that surfaced so many times is open spaces and love of agriculture the problem is our aging farmers they're looking at their retirement that is their retirement with a with a family that's underneath them that maybe doesn't want to uh doesn't want to farm or has other occupations and but they still want to keep that in agriculture but they they don't want economics followed up with homes so i think this tag advisory board can look at very innovative ways to possibly i don't know i keep looking at like 20 25 year leases of open spaces or things like that it can be functioning or something just to keep them open spaces as long as possible where people start prioritizing it and say you know what as a group here in the county we want to invest themselves in these open spaces more i don't know i i i think there's two things jake come on up here i think there's two things is that at that particular time there was a big push for uh selling your development rights and and so you saw quite a bit of that going on and i'm assuming that's still going on but you're not hearing enough about it anymore that's not happening presently there's there's two issues that maybe need to be considered and we've got onto the ag advisory board piece here but there's the agricultural protectionary advisory board which is a different board and that's something that that was brought up by madam chair about maybe we need to reinstitute that and that needs to be in place so when the next act protection area request comes through you have a board in place that can address it that's probably low-hanging fruit that can be managed this other question about the ag advisory boards i think needs a little bit more work and some real deep questions deep dive on what needs to happen there jake you had something super quick yeah i'll just make this really quick the one thing i just wanted to say is i think this timing comes ideally and even though like agland is going away and it's happening because of development i think that protection is even more important for the farms who are still here to fight against that to keep their farms because a lot of these guys they're going to end up retiring like they said but there are farms that will still last and coming from lehigh where i saw urban development there needs to be protections in line also a second thing that has just become big is that the conservation districts are doing an ag vip program where if water quality is watched by the farm itself it actually has extra protections behind it to keep it safe from when developing things come about just because they have that vip certification with them so just that's very helpful thanks i think every one of us are in favor of doing what we can to protect uh our agricultural heritage and agricultural lands and so i would make a motion that we approve uh