02-28-2023 CACHE COUNTY COUNCIL WORKSHOP
2026-04-10
So this is a training that we gave to all of the employees that made it mandatory that they go through it. And that we, Jeris has put together a new disclosure form and a new conflict of interest sworn statement. And so all of the employees were able to get that as well. I have sat through this training many times. So I think that I could be the most ethical person in the county. Or I should be anyway. Right? And you can introduce Jerus and tell me who he is. Yes. Sorry. This is Jerus Kendall. He works in our attorney's office. Okay. I'm a civil attorney. Attorney. So he's been with us just about a year. By the time we combine both here since. Something like that. Ish. Ish. So we really love to have Jarrus. He's also the attorney that's assigned assigned to the HR office. And so he helps with a lot of things that we deal with in employment law. So grateful to have him. He's here to answer any questions about the law part that I may not understand. So he's called for backup. This is Jason Morrison's presentation that he gives. He's from the local Utah local governments trust. So it's not my presentation, although I'm familiar with it and I've seen it many times. I'm gonna do my best to give someone else's presentation. You'll you'll do fine.
So this is a training that we gave to all of the employees that made it mandatory that they go through it. And that we, Jeris has put together a new disclosure form and a new conflict of interest sworn statement. And so all of the employees were able to get that as well. I have sat through this training many times. So I think that I could be the most ethical person in the county. Or I should be anyway. Right? And you can introduce Jerus and tell me who he is. Yes. Sorry. This is Jerus Kendall. He works in our attorney's office. Okay. I'm a civil attorney. Attorney. So he's been with us just about a year. By the time we combine both here since. Something like that. Ish. Ish. So we really love to have Jarrus. He's also the attorney that's assigned assigned to the HR office. And so he helps with a lot of things that we deal with in employment law. So grateful to have him. He's here to answer any questions about the law part that I may not understand. So he's called for backup. This is Jason Morrison's presentation that he gives. He's from the local Utah local governments trust. So it's not my presentation, although I'm familiar with it and I've seen it many times. I'm gonna do my best to give someone else's presentation. You'll you'll do fine.
The purpose of this is, we found that we need to have ethical training, ethics training, annually. And so that's why we're giving this. And also when we have new hires, they go through and fill out the conflict of interest form so that we're aware of if they have any conflicts or need to make any disclosures. And by doing this, does this lower our
The purpose of this is, we found that we need to have ethical training, ethics training, annually. And so that's why we're giving this. And also when we have new hires, they go through and fill out the conflict of interest form so that we're aware of if they have any conflicts or need to make any disclosures. And by doing this, does this lower our
Tell them it should. You know, it should. Right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I'll tell them. Okay. Sounds good. So we'll jump right in. And like I said, we'll see how these clips go through too. So does your organization have an ethics policy? And I have to say in every single training except for about two. Yes. Yes. We do. And where is it? It's in our personal policy There's also one in the code that was just passed as well. So I printed off for you in your packet there, the ethics policy,
Tell them it should. You know, it should. Right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I'll tell them. Okay. Sounds good. So we'll jump right in. And like I said, we'll see how these clips go through too. So does your organization have an ethics policy? And I have to say in every single training except for about two. Yes. Yes. We do. And where is it? It's in our personal policy There's also one in the code that was just passed as well. So I printed off for you in your packet there, the ethics policy,
As we've gone through this training and also gone through these forms, we will be making a change to number three, and that will come before you in council meeting, not tonight, but next week. So, Jerison worked on that, and that's what's coming through. Mostly. Mostly? Good. Good. Yeah, that's a really good question to ask ourselves, right? And then have you ever taken a gift from a vendor? Have to kind of think about that. Right? Because they maybe give a Christmas gift or something to To the theater?
As we've gone through this training and also gone through these forms, we will be making a change to number three, and that will come before you in council meeting, not tonight, but next week. So, Jerison worked on that, and that's what's coming through. Mostly. Mostly? Good. Good. Yeah, that's a really good question to ask ourselves, right? And then have you ever taken a gift from a vendor? Have to kind of think about that. Right? Because they maybe give a Christmas gift or something to To the theater?
Tickets to the theater. Tickets to the theater. We got that Yeah. That's a lot. This week. Things. Is that okay? Well, we're gonna talk about it. Okay. I hope so. I will. I was
Tickets to the theater. Tickets to the theater. We got that Yeah. That's a lot. This week. Things. Is that okay? Well, we're gonna talk about it. Okay. I hope so. I will. I was
already there. How about a muffin or a doughnut or a cookie? And when Jason gives this presentation, he's already passed out donut. Right? So So, have you ever gone to lunch with a vendor? I've gone to lunch with vendors before, right? That's kind of how business is done typically. And Jason told a story that he started working for a business. And when he started working for a business, they would go to his lunch with a vendor every single Wednesday. And it wasn't just like In N Out Burger. It was like to some fancy shroom tuxedo restaurants. And he kind of put the brakes on that and took a step back to figure out why his vendor was always taking him to lunch. And as he, looked further into that, he found out that they were paying three times as much for that service from that vendor than they should have been paying than what they could have got from a different vendor. And so occasional lunch with a vendor is okay. And that that's some good way to make some business relationships. But if it's affecting what your decision making is, then that's a problem. Right? Is is there a dollar amount?
already there. How about a muffin or a doughnut or a cookie? And when Jason gives this presentation, he's already passed out donut. Right? So So, have you ever gone to lunch with a vendor? I've gone to lunch with vendors before, right? That's kind of how business is done typically. And Jason told a story that he started working for a business. And when he started working for a business, they would go to his lunch with a vendor every single Wednesday. And it wasn't just like In N Out Burger. It was like to some fancy shroom tuxedo restaurants. And he kind of put the brakes on that and took a step back to figure out why his vendor was always taking him to lunch. And as he, looked further into that, he found out that they were paying three times as much for that service from that vendor than they should have been paying than what they could have got from a different vendor. And so occasional lunch with a vendor is okay. And that that's some good way to make some business relationships. But if it's affecting what your decision making is, then that's a problem. Right? Is is there a dollar amount?
There will be. We're gonna talk about that. Really quick, can you give me, like, two or three really quick, examples who what a vendor would be to us? Like
There will be. We're gonna talk about that. Really quick, can you give me, like, two or three really quick, examples who what a vendor would be to us? Like
Maybe if it's, like, a developer that's, like, hey. I've got this coming pass this so that I can develop this subdivision. They might be taking it too much to exclude you. How about Cash Valley Bank that would like to maybe
Maybe if it's, like, a developer that's, like, hey. I've got this coming pass this so that I can develop this subdivision. They might be taking it too much to exclude you. How about Cash Valley Bank that would like to maybe
do some, whatever what do we call it? They wanted to bond. Yeah. They they're going to bond for us for open space. Zion's Bank. Some of these any of these other things that they take the whole council. Right. Then they give us a box of chocolates. Oh. Yeah. I Wow. Well, I guess if you're allowing a box of chocolates to affect your decision, then that's a problem.
do some, whatever what do we call it? They wanted to bond. Yeah. They they're going to bond for us for open space. Zion's Bank. Some of these any of these other things that they take the whole council. Right. Then they give us a box of chocolates. Oh. Yeah. I Wow. Well, I guess if you're allowing a box of chocolates to affect your decision, then that's a problem.
Hey. Chocolate goes a long way. Or you know, even when we go down to some of these conferences, and some of these vendors down there wanna meet with us, and so on and so forth. Yes.
Hey. Chocolate goes a long way. Or you know, even when we go down to some of these conferences, and some of these vendors down there wanna meet with us, and so on and so forth. Yes.
So, okay, so ethics. This is a quote by Potter Stewart, And, Jairus, is he a Supreme Court justice? I believe so. I was I actually not. You say yes? He was. Oh, thank you, Micah. So he said, ethics is knowing the difference between what you have a right to do and what is right to do. I think that's a really good definition of ethics. So ethical acts are legal. Legal acts may not be ethical. So we're gonna talk about ethics versus the law. So that's kind of interesting to think about. Right? Ethical acts are legal, but legal acts may not be ethical. So, so a law is the definition is created by a governing body for the protection of society. And we all know about those laws and the codes and different things that we have and what the council has, agreed over is is that county code and making those so we're gonna talk about, the state law that has to do with county officers and employees. And this is in title 17, section 16 a dash four. The first part talks about the prohibited use of an official position. And so, no disclosure of confidential info to secure special privileges and no gifts or loans greater than $50. So there's your dollar amount right there. If you have someone that's giving you tickets to the plane, like what we just talked about, that are maybe front row and they're $200 a ticket, then we probably have an issue. Right? I will tell you that I had, an insurance broker that was trying to win our business, and he's like, hey, I have tickets to the Aggie game, and do you wanna go? And I'm like, probably not. And he's like, well, what about the jazz? And I was like, I didn't really think about that. I'm like, oh, I really want to. And, you know, he's like, come and join us in our suite. And, you know, but, then I remembered this training, and I was like, well, a jazz ticket is certainly more than $50 So and my job is more important to me than a jazz game or or that amount of money. So Now that is, like, for example, a direct
So, okay, so ethics. This is a quote by Potter Stewart, And, Jairus, is he a Supreme Court justice? I believe so. I was I actually not. You say yes? He was. Oh, thank you, Micah. So he said, ethics is knowing the difference between what you have a right to do and what is right to do. I think that's a really good definition of ethics. So ethical acts are legal. Legal acts may not be ethical. So we're gonna talk about ethics versus the law. So that's kind of interesting to think about. Right? Ethical acts are legal, but legal acts may not be ethical. So, so a law is the definition is created by a governing body for the protection of society. And we all know about those laws and the codes and different things that we have and what the council has, agreed over is is that county code and making those so we're gonna talk about, the state law that has to do with county officers and employees. And this is in title 17, section 16 a dash four. The first part talks about the prohibited use of an official position. And so, no disclosure of confidential info to secure special privileges and no gifts or loans greater than $50. So there's your dollar amount right there. If you have someone that's giving you tickets to the plane, like what we just talked about, that are maybe front row and they're $200 a ticket, then we probably have an issue. Right? I will tell you that I had, an insurance broker that was trying to win our business, and he's like, hey, I have tickets to the Aggie game, and do you wanna go? And I'm like, probably not. And he's like, well, what about the jazz? And I was like, I didn't really think about that. I'm like, oh, I really want to. And, you know, he's like, come and join us in our suite. And, you know, but, then I remembered this training, and I was like, well, a jazz ticket is certainly more than $50 So and my job is more important to me than a jazz game or or that amount of money. So Now that is, like, for example, a direct
contact. Right? Right. Like UAC though, we have a lot of vendors that are actually putting money into UAC, and then UAC will Mhmm. You know, have some, like, jazz tickets and things like that that we can actually still pay a little bit anyway on them. But anyway, in a suite Right. But they have collected those
contact. Right? Right. Like UAC though, we have a lot of vendors that are actually putting money into UAC, and then UAC will Mhmm. You know, have some, like, jazz tickets and things like that that we can actually still pay a little bit anyway on them. But anyway, in a suite Right. But they have collected those
sponsors from other Right. And so it wouldn't be a a direct, like, the vendor is trying to get you to buy from them. It's you act trying to win win it's over. Right.
sponsors from other Right. And so it wouldn't be a a direct, like, the vendor is trying to get you to buy from them. It's you act trying to win win it's over. Right.
So I have a question about the dollar amount. Because so I had understood previously on on my time in Nibali that you had to disclose if you received anything greater than $50. And I'll tell you, what that came from is we were given discount tickets for elected officials to Lagoon. Okay. So I would take my family. The aggregate amount of that on that discount day was greater than $50. So in a public meeting, I would say I accepted tickets to Lagoon discounted tickets to Lagoon for my family. And that that was disclosing it and and that that was okay. Is that Here it's what you're saying. My
So I have a question about the dollar amount. Because so I had understood previously on on my time in Nibali that you had to disclose if you received anything greater than $50. And I'll tell you, what that came from is we were given discount tickets for elected officials to Lagoon. Okay. So I would take my family. The aggregate amount of that on that discount day was greater than $50. So in a public meeting, I would say I accepted tickets to Lagoon discounted tickets to Lagoon for my family. And that that was disclosing it and and that that was okay. Is that Here it's what you're saying. My
I'm looking at the code right now. So
I'm looking at the code right now. So
in subsection two is the is the exception. And if it's under $50 or $50, then it's not gonna be viewed that way. And so what I'm looking at is that I need to do a little research to find out if there is a reporting requirement as far as receiving that. Now it does start to get trickier when you get those higher amounts and how you can whether or not you can justify that as an elected individual.
in subsection two is the is the exception. And if it's under $50 or $50, then it's not gonna be viewed that way. And so what I'm looking at is that I need to do a little research to find out if there is a reporting requirement as far as receiving that. Now it does start to get trickier when you get those higher amounts and how you can whether or not you can justify that as an elected individual.
But with Lagoon, Jeris, I would think that that would be okay. Even though it was over the $50 amount, it wasn't anything that if the city was doing business directly with Lagoon or,
But with Lagoon, Jeris, I would think that that would be okay. Even though it was over the $50 amount, it wasn't anything that if the city was doing business directly with Lagoon or,
Everyone was on there. Paid for who gave it to? Did it come directly from Lagoon, or was it, like, Cash Valley Bank that No. Lagoon gave it to us as all of the elect it was elected officials day. Yeah. So everyone But negotiated by
Everyone was on there. Paid for who gave it to? Did it come directly from Lagoon, or was it, like, Cash Valley Bank that No. Lagoon gave it to us as all of the elect it was elected officials day. Yeah. So everyone But negotiated by
I don't know if it was negotiated I think it was elected officials in general. They had a day that was designated for elected officials. They did. And you get a discount. Everyone that goes gets a discount. And that one is actually for the elected officials. I remember that. Because my husband never thought of the mayor and city council. It's for the whole state. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean and they told us, like, you know, if there's any question, just disclose it in an open meeting, and that was the way to kinda cover your bases. So we just did an open meeting, said, oh, I accepted tickets from Lagoon, and we're a discounted rate, and that was they said that covered our bases on that. So k. I still have a question about my theater tickets.
I don't know if it was negotiated I think it was elected officials in general. They had a day that was designated for elected officials. They did. And you get a discount. Everyone that goes gets a discount. And that one is actually for the elected officials. I remember that. Because my husband never thought of the mayor and city council. It's for the whole state. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean and they told us, like, you know, if there's any question, just disclose it in an open meeting, and that was the way to kinda cover your bases. So we just did an open meeting, said, oh, I accepted tickets from Lagoon, and we're a discounted rate, and that was they said that covered our bases on that. So k. I still have a question about my theater tickets.
It was the it wasn't four seasons. It was Cash Theater wet what is it? Music Theater West? Yeah. Anyway, they sent an email that says, we are so grateful for your support of the RAPS tax. We'd like to offer you free tickets. And I don't know how much they would have cost, but is that like, should I have taken those tickets and gone to the show last night? Music theater west. I didn't have the training yet. I can Right. I'm ignorant, but still That's right. I'd like to understand
It was the it wasn't four seasons. It was Cash Theater wet what is it? Music Theater West? Yeah. Anyway, they sent an email that says, we are so grateful for your support of the RAPS tax. We'd like to offer you free tickets. And I don't know how much they would have cost, but is that like, should I have taken those tickets and gone to the show last night? Music theater west. I didn't have the training yet. I can Right. I'm ignorant, but still That's right. I'd like to understand
because to me that like, I don't I don't sit on the RAPS tax Right. Committee. I think I have someone in my district that represents my district. But you do. You are in charge of the funds. Yeah. So You distribute the funds. Mhmm. It has nothing to do with the committee. You distribute the funds. K? And I think with that, what it comes down to is do you let
because to me that like, I don't I don't sit on the RAPS tax Right. Committee. I think I have someone in my district that represents my district. But you do. You are in charge of the funds. Yeah. So You distribute the funds. Mhmm. It has nothing to do with the committee. You distribute the funds. K? And I think with that, what it comes down to is do you let
next year, when you're looking at the RAPS tax, are you gonna remember, oh, if I approve this, I'll probably get free tickets. That's where it Yeah. I think it comes down to. And if it's affecting that decision making, then that's where we probably need to rethink. Should I take those tickets or not?
next year, when you're looking at the RAPS tax, are you gonna remember, oh, if I approve this, I'll probably get free tickets. That's where it Yeah. I think it comes down to. And if it's affecting that decision making, then that's where we probably need to rethink. Should I take those tickets or not?
I think too, just from a legal perspective, a lot of times, you you have to look a little bit beyond what the the wording of the statute says. So what would be the public's perception of this? Exactly. Even though you know darn well it's not gonna affect your decision making process, what would the public think? Yeah. And then if you make a decision based off of that, you're probably gonna be making the safest, decision and probably the best decision for that particular situation. So it and I know sometimes we if we have the laws and and this is where the ethical portion comes in, where it may not necessarily be against the the law, but it may may not be ethical. And so
I think too, just from a legal perspective, a lot of times, you you have to look a little bit beyond what the the wording of the statute says. So what would be the public's perception of this? Exactly. Even though you know darn well it's not gonna affect your decision making process, what would the public think? Yeah. And then if you make a decision based off of that, you're probably gonna be making the safest, decision and probably the best decision for that particular situation. So it and I know sometimes we if we have the laws and and this is where the ethical portion comes in, where it may not necessarily be against the the law, but it may may not be ethical. And so
like, especially and and that's you kinda take it on a case by case basis, but maybe if all the officials throughout the state of Utah are going to the lagoon and this is something that's provided to them, that that might be a little different than someone directly of part of the
like, especially and and that's you kinda take it on a case by case basis, but maybe if all the officials throughout the state of Utah are going to the lagoon and this is something that's provided to them, that that might be a little different than someone directly of part of the
And received that benefit. Yeah. And it was like a thank you, but still it was yeah. Was it good? It was so good. It was so good. It was so good. It was so good. It was all good. Anyway k. I didn't even think about that. So Yeah. Thought now I wasn't. What about the tickets for the gala, gala dinner, you know, on the tenth? We didn't get tickets to that. You have to go buy them. That wasn't a ticket. That was an invitation. No. That was an invitation.
And received that benefit. Yeah. And it was like a thank you, but still it was yeah. Was it good? It was so good. It was so good. It was so good. It was so good. It was all good. Anyway k. I didn't even think about that. So Yeah. Thought now I wasn't. What about the tickets for the gala, gala dinner, you know, on the tenth? We didn't get tickets to that. You have to go buy them. That wasn't a ticket. That was an invitation. No. That was an invitation.
But I know sometimes those are given out because last year I didn't go, and they said where were you, and I hadn't even applied for them or anything.
But I know sometimes those are given out because last year I didn't go, and they said where were you, and I hadn't even applied for them or anything.
So what's an invitation to something, and what's Yeah. What's an exactly. Because in the role, you're invited to participate in things as elected officials, but where does it come back as as being a kickback or something? Yeah. It's extreme no. Woah. Woah. Hey. Are you witnessing this?
So what's an invitation to something, and what's Yeah. What's an exactly. Because in the role, you're invited to participate in things as elected officials, but where does it come back as as being a kickback or something? Yeah. It's extreme no. Woah. Woah. Hey. Are you witnessing this?
what things Yeah. I think I would need more information. Is that the Chamber of Commerce work? Yes. That was on the tenth. And we got a thing that said, you know, you're invited, but it's not a ticket. Like, the ticket I Yeah. It says register register
what things Yeah. I think I would need more information. Is that the Chamber of Commerce work? Yes. That was on the tenth. And we got a thing that said, you know, you're invited, but it's not a ticket. Like, the ticket I Yeah. It says register register
which when you register, it has a You have to pay. Card. You have to get the pay. Yeah. There was no discount, and there was no free ticket given. Yeah. So I think the invitation would be fine. Right? And then if you choose to go, then you pay for it. Okay. Just
which when you register, it has a You have to pay. Card. You have to get the pay. Yeah. There was no discount, and there was no free ticket given. Yeah. So I think the invitation would be fine. Right? And then if you choose to go, then you pay for it. Okay. Just
Alright. So the next part, talks about no compensation for assistance in assistance in transactions with the county unless notice is given ten days prior to the agreement or receipt of the compensation. Juris, do you have a good example for this one?
Alright. So the next part, talks about no compensation for assistance in assistance in transactions with the county unless notice is given ten days prior to the agreement or receipt of the compensation. Juris, do you have a good example for this one?
Maybe not a a direct example, but, like, create one. So, let's say you've got a business, that you're an
Maybe not a a direct example, but, like, create one. So, let's say you've got a business, that you're an
Okay. Like, Paul Oil. Paul Oil, you know, has a contract. They fill up the diesel and and gas, I think, for the county, things like that. K. There's one. Now, and I the thing is they're also a customer I'm a customer of theirs
Okay. Like, Paul Oil. Paul Oil, you know, has a contract. They fill up the diesel and and gas, I think, for the county, things like that. K. There's one. Now, and I the thing is they're also a customer I'm a customer of theirs
too. So So if you're a customer, that's gonna be different. But let's say you work for them. Oh, there you go. In your in your site capacity, and there is a transaction. It's that that transaction with the county you are directly involved with and you're gonna get compensated for that transaction, then you would need to to provide notice, through the proper procedures. And members. So you as you're making decisions for the county on where county funds can go, you can know if there's a conflict of interest. And then you can make based on knowing about that conflict of interest, you can make the best decision for the county and if you need to make further decisions. Now there are gonna be some situations in in disclosure where and this would be one of those if someone is on the
too. So So if you're a customer, that's gonna be different. But let's say you work for them. Oh, there you go. In your in your site capacity, and there is a transaction. It's that that transaction with the county you are directly involved with and you're gonna get compensated for that transaction, then you would need to to provide notice, through the proper procedures. And members. So you as you're making decisions for the county on where county funds can go, you can know if there's a conflict of interest. And then you can make based on knowing about that conflict of interest, you can make the best decision for the county and if you need to make further decisions. Now there are gonna be some situations in in disclosure where and this would be one of those if someone is on the
So I have a real life example, and I've actually I have declined to participate in this. My my dad owns land in the county, and he has some that he would like to carve off and sell to horse acres, like, to horse plots exactly. And he's asked me, he's like, I don't really know how to do this. I don't have time. Why don't you do this and I'll pay you? And you can go ahead and apply and do all of the work with the county to go ahead and carve off these two parcels and and for horse properties and we'll sell it, and I'll give you a commission or whatever. And I said to him, I said, I can't do that. I that I feel like is a conflict of interest for me, and and I can't do that because I'd be receiving money from him. And but this says, if I did do this, I could come and give written notice to the council and say, before any decisions were to be made or I were to engage in that for ten days previous to that. So that's what I'm saying. So we what we what we were just talking about was ethical,
So I have a real life example, and I've actually I have declined to participate in this. My my dad owns land in the county, and he has some that he would like to carve off and sell to horse acres, like, to horse plots exactly. And he's asked me, he's like, I don't really know how to do this. I don't have time. Why don't you do this and I'll pay you? And you can go ahead and apply and do all of the work with the county to go ahead and carve off these two parcels and and for horse properties and we'll sell it, and I'll give you a commission or whatever. And I said to him, I said, I can't do that. I that I feel like is a conflict of interest for me, and and I can't do that because I'd be receiving money from him. And but this says, if I did do this, I could come and give written notice to the council and say, before any decisions were to be made or I were to engage in that for ten days previous to that. So that's what I'm saying. So we what we what we were just talking about was ethical,
you can't take gifts and and things of that that nature, this is when I actually have to disclose to the county council so that then the county can make decisions. And so the county council may determine that, okay. Well, if that's the case, if you're involved, then we're actually just gonna decide not to to participate in this transaction. But it will be up to the county council or whatever commission has regulation or commit laws or rules with
you can't take gifts and and things of that that nature, this is when I actually have to disclose to the county council so that then the county can make decisions. And so the county council may determine that, okay. Well, if that's the case, if you're involved, then we're actually just gonna decide not to to participate in this transaction. But it will be up to the county council or whatever commission has regulation or commit laws or rules with
But what about the fact that it would have to go before the planning commission to get approval, which would then come to us for approval of whether that
But what about the fact that it would have to go before the planning commission to get approval, which would then come to us for approval of whether that
recuse yourself. Recuse yourself. Yep. Again, I'm not quite clear of this. I probably do agree. Too close to a situation,
recuse yourself. Recuse yourself. Yep. Again, I'm not quite clear of this. I probably do agree. Too close to a situation,
you're better to excuse yourself. Okay. I have one other thing because this has got my wheels turning. We when we opened our car wash, we wanted to support law enforcement, so we told Chad Jensen, you guys can just wash your cars for free. And he said, we can't accept that. So we have it set up to where each each car like, we have memberships that are $25 a month or whatever to wash your car unlimited. So we each sheriff's vehicle is paying a dollar a month to wash their cars because that at least we can charge them something. Mhmm. So is that any kind of a is that an ethical violation of some kind? He said we can't accept gifts. It would be it would normally cost $25 a month for each of those cars,
you're better to excuse yourself. Okay. I have one other thing because this has got my wheels turning. We when we opened our car wash, we wanted to support law enforcement, so we told Chad Jensen, you guys can just wash your cars for free. And he said, we can't accept that. So we have it set up to where each each car like, we have memberships that are $25 a month or whatever to wash your car unlimited. So we each sheriff's vehicle is paying a dollar a month to wash their cars because that at least we can charge them something. Mhmm. So is that any kind of a is that an ethical violation of some kind? He said we can't accept gifts. It would be it would normally cost $25 a month for each of those cars,
but we wanted to do it to support. It was before I was even elected. Right. So we'll get to one of these slides too, but seven eleven does a very similar thing. Right? They offer free coffee or free drink refills to law enforcement because they wanna support law enforcement. But also, you know, they like the business of law enforcement because it helps people to see the law enforcement visit there. And so hoping that, you know, to avoid some type of robberies and things. Right? But if if someone from law enforcement has to go and do some type of arrest at at the seven eleven, maybe with the manager or, you know, the owner of that seven eleven, and they decide not to because they get the free drinks, then that's where we have a problem.
but we wanted to do it to support. It was before I was even elected. Right. So we'll get to one of these slides too, but seven eleven does a very similar thing. Right? They offer free coffee or free drink refills to law enforcement because they wanna support law enforcement. But also, you know, they like the business of law enforcement because it helps people to see the law enforcement visit there. And so hoping that, you know, to avoid some type of robberies and things. Right? But if if someone from law enforcement has to go and do some type of arrest at at the seven eleven, maybe with the manager or, you know, the owner of that seven eleven, and they decide not to because they get the free drinks, then that's where we have a problem.
So it's kind of a little bit ambiguous as far as Mhmm. It's okay as long as you're not taking advantage of it. Right. That's why they call it topics. There's a a a distinction between
So it's kind of a little bit ambiguous as far as Mhmm. It's okay as long as you're not taking advantage of it. Right. That's why they call it topics. There's a a a distinction between
the two scenarios. Your scenario where so you and I'm sorry. I was coming to where I can speak to the microphone, so I didn't catch it all, but it's discounted, but you still get paying for
the two scenarios. Your scenario where so you and I'm sorry. I was coming to where I can speak to the microphone, so I didn't catch it all, but it's discounted, but you still get paying for
it. Yeah. There you go. Perfect. Thanks. I can get closer to you, Jarius. Those microphones are perfect.
it. Yeah. There you go. Perfect. Thanks. I can get closer to you, Jarius. Those microphones are perfect.
Okay. Perfect. Okay. So that would be a little bit different than Amy, the scenario where officers are going to a particular location. That so and and this is good because it distinguishes the two things that we've already talked about. Your example talks about the ethical decision on those gifts that those officers are getting because there's no transaction that's happening between the county at that time. Yeah. A sheriff's off deputy might be purchasing a drink, but that's not gonna benefit the county. It's the benefit is going to a county member themselves because they're receiving a drink. Whereas your business, that would be a transaction where the sheriff's office is spending county money to to get those vehicles cleaned. So then that would be something that you'd wanna disclose and just make sure that that is that you follow that process to disclose. K.
Okay. Perfect. Okay. So that would be a little bit different than Amy, the scenario where officers are going to a particular location. That so and and this is good because it distinguishes the two things that we've already talked about. Your example talks about the ethical decision on those gifts that those officers are getting because there's no transaction that's happening between the county at that time. Yeah. A sheriff's off deputy might be purchasing a drink, but that's not gonna benefit the county. It's the benefit is going to a county member themselves because they're receiving a drink. Whereas your business, that would be a transaction where the sheriff's office is spending county money to to get those vehicles cleaned. So then that would be something that you'd wanna disclose and just make sure that that is that you follow that process to disclose. K.
And and it might have been something in the past, but now in your position that that would Yeah. I would think it would be more of an ethics for the sheriff's department to disclose. Hey. We're getting this at a discounted rate.
And and it might have been something in the past, but now in your position that that would Yeah. I would think it would be more of an ethics for the sheriff's department to disclose. Hey. We're getting this at a discounted rate.
So before you in your packet while Mike is fixing our volumes, we don't have feedback. You have this disclosure form that says conflict of interest. And these are Our next one is interest in a business entity regulated by the county. There needs to be a disclosure for that. And then disclosure of position, nature, and value of the officer's interest upon election. And then a sworn statement filed with the governing body. And so that would be what this disclosure form is as we would be giving this to our elected officials as they are elected, to fill out. And then that bottom part, the sworn statement filed with the governing body is that other paper that you have in your packet. So if you check yes to any of those on the disclosure form of conflict of interest, you would need to fill out the sworn statement for the prompt conflicts of interest. Thank you. And I believe we
So before you in your packet while Mike is fixing our volumes, we don't have feedback. You have this disclosure form that says conflict of interest. And these are Our next one is interest in a business entity regulated by the county. There needs to be a disclosure for that. And then disclosure of position, nature, and value of the officer's interest upon election. And then a sworn statement filed with the governing body. And so that would be what this disclosure form is as we would be giving this to our elected officials as they are elected, to fill out. And then that bottom part, the sworn statement filed with the governing body is that other paper that you have in your packet. So if you check yes to any of those on the disclosure form of conflict of interest, you would need to fill out the sworn statement for the prompt conflicts of interest. Thank you. And I believe we
And Amy, I'm gonna I've been processing what, what what you said, Sandy. It actually does not fall on the sheriff's office to to report that. It's, in this particular situation. And and the way it reads and I'll just an officer or employee let me just sorry. I I had it in the night. So it's the individual who has either an employment or is an officer or an owner in the business, and they also are transacting with the county. Oh, got it. And so that's why it would be your responsibility to just disclose that, whereas the sheriff's office is is not quite in that position, if that makes sense. That would be something to say. Yeah. Yeah. And I've had a lot of questions on these, and so I'm happy as you're going through this, if you're like, this doesn't quite make sense to if you wanna come to me, I'm happy to help you. That that's been the same with all
And Amy, I'm gonna I've been processing what, what what you said, Sandy. It actually does not fall on the sheriff's office to to report that. It's, in this particular situation. And and the way it reads and I'll just an officer or employee let me just sorry. I I had it in the night. So it's the individual who has either an employment or is an officer or an owner in the business, and they also are transacting with the county. Oh, got it. And so that's why it would be your responsibility to just disclose that, whereas the sheriff's office is is not quite in that position, if that makes sense. That would be something to say. Yeah. Yeah. And I've had a lot of questions on these, and so I'm happy as you're going through this, if you're like, this doesn't quite make sense to if you wanna come to me, I'm happy to help you. That that's been the same with all
Good. County employees. Because I don't know which portion of this to kinda delineate that. So just keep going and we'll figure that out. Sounds
Good. County employees. Because I don't know which portion of this to kinda delineate that. So just keep going and we'll figure that out. Sounds
good. The next part talks about interest in the business, doing business with the county, then we would need a disclosure. And that would need to be publicly disclosed to members of the body prior to discussion relating to such business. So we'll be working up that process and bring it to the council to look at that and make sure that's the process that they would like to use and be able to move forward with that. Because by having these new forms come out, even though they don't say necessarily anything different, it's a different format, and it makes people think a little bit differently than, with the old form, and so we can have some that have checked yes and have needed to fill out that form statement. So there will be some that will need to come for a closer So, there will be some that we'll need to cover for public disclosure on that as well. So investments creating a conflict of interest with duties, you would need to have a disclosure with that, and it would need to be an open meeting disclosure of potential or actual conflict between personal interest and public duties. So, the example that Jason recommend the appointment of a relative. Okay? And there's a little bit more. No public officer may directly supervise an appointee who is a relative. So we do have relatives at Oregon County that are employees. But once we realize that or once we know that, we make sure that neither one of them is supervising the other. And it actually happens probably most often most often in the sheriff's office. They are working together. They have the common interests of law enforcement and, you know, laws of attraction. It just happens. And so, they may get married and they it says in our policy that they need to disclose that to me as the HR director, and then I disclose that to their supervisor to let them know that they shouldn't be supervising each other. And the extra step that we've taken is that they don't work on the same shift or in the same department. So when they work in the gym and when they work patrol or something like that, but that's how we're we're making sure that we're following this this law here. So and no public officer may direct or supervising appointee who's a relative, so I just covered that. And then no appointee may accept or retain employment if he is paid from public funds and is under the direct supervision of a relative. So, we have had a situation where someone was under the direct supervision of a relative, and they just had to say, I'm sorry, you can't be. They happen to be a part time temporary employee, so we just said, thank you for your service. We're gonna have to find someone else to fill that role. And that that is how we would handle it. So the next one is misuse of public property. This was, passed, I believe, in 2019, as HB 63, the HB hospital, Senate Bill. I'm not sure. It was either HB or SV. One of the two. I mean, I have a fiftyfifty chance. That's one of the But the misuse of public property. And so with that, the it talks about personal use expenditure means the expenditure made without the authority of law that is not directly related to the performance of an activity as a state officer or employee. Primarily, for there's a personal interest of a state officer, employee, or state officer's or employee's family, friend, or associate, and would constitute taxable income under federal law. So the example given with this is if you work in public works, you may not take the backhoe home to do your weekend project. Got it. Right? That is a county owned equipment and it's not for personal use. Now the way that it's written, it's it's pretty straightforward to the fact that if you wanted to go even down to if you took a pen home that was bought with county funds that you could be You could not be able to could be you could, it'll be violating this. Like a from a vendor. When this came out, our county attorneys, Swink and also, Edwards looked at this, and we do have a section in our personal policy and procedures handbook that describes a little bit in further detail what this means for Cache County. So if you're interested in reading that, I can send it along to you, but it it's found in our personal policies and procedures handbook. Official misconduct. So a public survey is guilty of a class b misdemeanor if with intent to benefit himself or herself or another, or to harm another, he or she knowingly commits an unauthorized act of her courts to plead plead an act of his or her office or knowingly refrains from performing duty imposed upon him or her by law that is clearly inherent in the nature of his or her office. That is a lot of words. Mhmm. So what are we talking about, right? If you are saying, well, because I'm a county council person, you must do this, and that's actually not part of your official those types of issues. Okay? Jeris, do you have anything else on that? No. This reminds me of, you know, I'm not sure if you have anything else on that? No. This reminds me of years ago, you may have remembered, there was an issue up at a campsite with a Weber County employee, public works employee. He was wearing Weber County and said that he was a Weber County employee. Oh, yeah. Got in a fight. Fight. Yeah. Yeah. And was in the camper's studio? Before it came. Yeah. He has. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And that had nothing to do with him being a Weber County employee, but he portrayed himself as such and that that was his right. Right? And he lost his job. Yeah. He just lose his job because it's against
good. The next part talks about interest in the business, doing business with the county, then we would need a disclosure. And that would need to be publicly disclosed to members of the body prior to discussion relating to such business. So we'll be working up that process and bring it to the council to look at that and make sure that's the process that they would like to use and be able to move forward with that. Because by having these new forms come out, even though they don't say necessarily anything different, it's a different format, and it makes people think a little bit differently than, with the old form, and so we can have some that have checked yes and have needed to fill out that form statement. So there will be some that will need to come for a closer So, there will be some that we'll need to cover for public disclosure on that as well. So investments creating a conflict of interest with duties, you would need to have a disclosure with that, and it would need to be an open meeting disclosure of potential or actual conflict between personal interest and public duties. So, the example that Jason recommend the appointment of a relative. Okay? And there's a little bit more. No public officer may directly supervise an appointee who is a relative. So we do have relatives at Oregon County that are employees. But once we realize that or once we know that, we make sure that neither one of them is supervising the other. And it actually happens probably most often most often in the sheriff's office. They are working together. They have the common interests of law enforcement and, you know, laws of attraction. It just happens. And so, they may get married and they it says in our policy that they need to disclose that to me as the HR director, and then I disclose that to their supervisor to let them know that they shouldn't be supervising each other. And the extra step that we've taken is that they don't work on the same shift or in the same department. So when they work in the gym and when they work patrol or something like that, but that's how we're we're making sure that we're following this this law here. So and no public officer may direct or supervising appointee who's a relative, so I just covered that. And then no appointee may accept or retain employment if he is paid from public funds and is under the direct supervision of a relative. So, we have had a situation where someone was under the direct supervision of a relative, and they just had to say, I'm sorry, you can't be. They happen to be a part time temporary employee, so we just said, thank you for your service. We're gonna have to find someone else to fill that role. And that that is how we would handle it. So the next one is misuse of public property. This was, passed, I believe, in 2019, as HB 63, the HB hospital, Senate Bill. I'm not sure. It was either HB or SV. One of the two. I mean, I have a fiftyfifty chance. That's one of the But the misuse of public property. And so with that, the it talks about personal use expenditure means the expenditure made without the authority of law that is not directly related to the performance of an activity as a state officer or employee. Primarily, for there's a personal interest of a state officer, employee, or state officer's or employee's family, friend, or associate, and would constitute taxable income under federal law. So the example given with this is if you work in public works, you may not take the backhoe home to do your weekend project. Got it. Right? That is a county owned equipment and it's not for personal use. Now the way that it's written, it's it's pretty straightforward to the fact that if you wanted to go even down to if you took a pen home that was bought with county funds that you could be You could not be able to could be you could, it'll be violating this. Like a from a vendor. When this came out, our county attorneys, Swink and also, Edwards looked at this, and we do have a section in our personal policy and procedures handbook that describes a little bit in further detail what this means for Cache County. So if you're interested in reading that, I can send it along to you, but it it's found in our personal policies and procedures handbook. Official misconduct. So a public survey is guilty of a class b misdemeanor if with intent to benefit himself or herself or another, or to harm another, he or she knowingly commits an unauthorized act of her courts to plead plead an act of his or her office or knowingly refrains from performing duty imposed upon him or her by law that is clearly inherent in the nature of his or her office. That is a lot of words. Mhmm. So what are we talking about, right? If you are saying, well, because I'm a county council person, you must do this, and that's actually not part of your official those types of issues. Okay? Jeris, do you have anything else on that? No. This reminds me of, you know, I'm not sure if you have anything else on that? No. This reminds me of years ago, you may have remembered, there was an issue up at a campsite with a Weber County employee, public works employee. He was wearing Weber County and said that he was a Weber County employee. Oh, yeah. Got in a fight. Fight. Yeah. Yeah. And was in the camper's studio? Before it came. Yeah. He has. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And that had nothing to do with him being a Weber County employee, but he portrayed himself as such and that that was his right. Right? And he lost his job. Yeah. He just lose his job because it's against
So receiving or soliciting bribes. So a person is guilty of receiving or soliciting a bribe. If that person asks for solicits, accepts, or receives directly or indirectly any benefit with the understanding or agreement that the purpose or intent is to influence an action, decision, opinion, recommendation, judgment, vote, nomination, or exercise of discretion of a public servant, party official, or voter. So if you get pulled over, you can't slip a 20 underneath your driver's license and handed to law enforcement. Right? And all the accounts It was only 150. A ticket. And I will tell you that our law enforcement officer says it takes a lot more than a 20. Twin.
So receiving or soliciting bribes. So a person is guilty of receiving or soliciting a bribe. If that person asks for solicits, accepts, or receives directly or indirectly any benefit with the understanding or agreement that the purpose or intent is to influence an action, decision, opinion, recommendation, judgment, vote, nomination, or exercise of discretion of a public servant, party official, or voter. So if you get pulled over, you can't slip a 20 underneath your driver's license and handed to law enforcement. Right? And all the accounts It was only 150. A ticket. And I will tell you that our law enforcement officer says it takes a lot more than a 20. Twin.
I'm just waiting for the time when I can say, do you know who I am? Right.
I'm just waiting for the time when I can say, do you know who I am? Right.
Go back to that real quick. I don't know if I dare share this.
Go back to that real quick. I don't know if I dare share this.
It's it's all different. Yeah. Oh, I've heard that before. Yeah.
It's it's all different. Yeah. Oh, I've heard that before. Yeah.
K. I How specific should I be? Names? Okay. I was I was actually with our this auditor that we hired. I was in the recorder's office actually getting some documents for my my my personal trust that we were doing, some land, you know, parcel descriptions. Anyway, she came in there and she started talking to me about land, you know, that we own, that the county should say the county owns. There weren't agreements with some of these farmers, and these people that were utilizing the land. And she told me of an area that I was very familiar with, And then she and so we looked we looked it up. She pulled it up, and we were looking at it, and she goes and I go, Oh, that's right next to so and so. And she goes, Oh, I was told that he's untouchable and to stay away. To me, that's an that's an ethical and he's a he was a big donor Yeah. To a campaign. So how do we how do we dress things like that?
K. I How specific should I be? Names? Okay. I was I was actually with our this auditor that we hired. I was in the recorder's office actually getting some documents for my my my personal trust that we were doing, some land, you know, parcel descriptions. Anyway, she came in there and she started talking to me about land, you know, that we own, that the county should say the county owns. There weren't agreements with some of these farmers, and these people that were utilizing the land. And she told me of an area that I was very familiar with, And then she and so we looked we looked it up. She pulled it up, and we were looking at it, and she goes and I go, Oh, that's right next to so and so. And she goes, Oh, I was told that he's untouchable and to stay away. To me, that's an that's an ethical and he's a he was a big donor Yeah. To a campaign. So how do we how do we dress things like that?
I don't know. That would be an answer. We'll bring it to Amy. So, Jairus, do you have an answer for that? Or Yeah. I would I just saw a really cool little look on his face.
I don't know. That would be an answer. We'll bring it to Amy. So, Jairus, do you have an answer for that? Or Yeah. I would I just saw a really cool little look on his face.
Right? Cool look was I'm gonna turn that over to Dane Murray, who is our interim county attorney. Yeah. I would I would because the county attorney's office has an obligation to take care of all the such matters. I I would bring that to Dane's attention and see if there's anything from the attorney's office that we'd be obligated to do. And then maybe we could give you further direction based off of that information. I I don't know off the top of
Right? Cool look was I'm gonna turn that over to Dane Murray, who is our interim county attorney. Yeah. I would I would because the county attorney's office has an obligation to take care of all the such matters. I I would bring that to Dane's attention and see if there's anything from the attorney's office that we'd be obligated to do. And then maybe we could give you further direction based off of that information. I I don't know off the top of
my head. I was reading that, and that that popped into my mind, and and Ira said, oh, that's really interesting. Yeah. Untouchable. I go, what does that mean? Right. You know, that that really concerned me that, you know, that our auditors getting that kind of advice. Yeah. I'm going, well then apparently, that that that told me right then and there that that audit isn't worth crap then Right. If we have untouchables. Right. So and that's kind of direct situation, but that right there tells me that that's wrong. Yeah. Very wrong. Yeah. So So you might wanna write that title down so you have
my head. I was reading that, and that that popped into my mind, and and Ira said, oh, that's really interesting. Yeah. Untouchable. I go, what does that mean? Right. You know, that that really concerned me that, you know, that our auditors getting that kind of advice. Yeah. I'm going, well then apparently, that that that told me right then and there that that audit isn't worth crap then Right. If we have untouchables. Right. So and that's kind of direct situation, but that right there tells me that that's wrong. Yeah. Very wrong. Yeah. So So you might wanna write that title down so you have
it at the back of your mind. The who now? This one? Title 76. 768105,
it at the back of your mind. The who now? This one? Title 76. 768105,
I guess the better. Yeah. I might be in court. I don't know.
I guess the better. Yeah. I might be in court. I don't know.
So the next one is improperly disclosing or using private controls or protected information. So it's illegal to accept employment, business, or professional activity that he might be reasonable might reasonably expect would require to induce him to improperly disclose controlled information that he has gained by reason of his official position. So disclosure those are properly used, controlled, private, or protected information in order to further substantially the officer or employee's personal economic interest, or to secure special privileges or exemptions for himself or others? So the example, on this one that Jason would give is, you know that there is some land for sale next to the Costco that's going to be built, and you go ahead and buy that that land because it's cheap right now. But, you know, in the future, there's gonna be some good potential because the Costco's being built right next to it. And the only reason that you know that
So the next one is improperly disclosing or using private controls or protected information. So it's illegal to accept employment, business, or professional activity that he might be reasonable might reasonably expect would require to induce him to improperly disclose controlled information that he has gained by reason of his official position. So disclosure those are properly used, controlled, private, or protected information in order to further substantially the officer or employee's personal economic interest, or to secure special privileges or exemptions for himself or others? So the example, on this one that Jason would give is, you know that there is some land for sale next to the Costco that's going to be built, and you go ahead and buy that that land because it's cheap right now. But, you know, in the future, there's gonna be some good potential because the Costco's being built right next to it. And the only reason that you know that
That's why they don't announce temple sites. Right.
That's why they don't announce temple sites. Right.
Serious. That's this. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. So some other laws to be aware of are environmental quality, securities and exchange, employment laws, health and safety, policy, and intellectual law. And we're not gonna go through all of those, but just know that there's a lot of other laws that that protect us and that are there for us to remember as well. So we'll go through this next part really quick, on ethics. And, basically, ethics is our rules of behavior based on our morals. And we all have different morals and what's right versus wrong, and and those are are taught to us by different people. Right? We may learn at a young age from our parents. We may learn from teachers, from principals, from religious leaders, you know, coaches, lots of different things and influences in our in our lives. The reason the candy bars is up there is Jason tells a story about when he was a little boy, he got to go with his dad to the car wash to wash the car truck, and it only happened about once a year. And, you know, his dad would have some quarters at his club in it, and so he went to go buy a candy bar, asked his dad for a quarter to go buy a candy bar. Put the quarter in, candy bar came out, and he was so excited. And he thought, let's see what happens if I just pull that lever again. Remember those vending machines you have to pull? And so he pulled it in and another one came out. So then as that eight year old boy, what was he do? Right? And he says he has this whole farm full of candy bars and he says, Dad, look what I got. And he's like, oh, no. We can't do that. You know, you only pay for one. You need to go put them back. But then his dad said, I want that Almond Joy. So but learning right and wrong, we learn it from different people. And, probably what's right or wrong to me could vary differently to every person depending on what we've how we've been raised and what what we've learned through our different circumstances. So if we say killing is wrong, what type of punctuation do you put after that? An exclamation point, a period, a question mark, or a comma? K? That would make that statement so different depending on the punctuation that you have. Right? So now if we look at this, it's killing wrong.
Serious. That's this. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. So some other laws to be aware of are environmental quality, securities and exchange, employment laws, health and safety, policy, and intellectual law. And we're not gonna go through all of those, but just know that there's a lot of other laws that that protect us and that are there for us to remember as well. So we'll go through this next part really quick, on ethics. And, basically, ethics is our rules of behavior based on our morals. And we all have different morals and what's right versus wrong, and and those are are taught to us by different people. Right? We may learn at a young age from our parents. We may learn from teachers, from principals, from religious leaders, you know, coaches, lots of different things and influences in our in our lives. The reason the candy bars is up there is Jason tells a story about when he was a little boy, he got to go with his dad to the car wash to wash the car truck, and it only happened about once a year. And, you know, his dad would have some quarters at his club in it, and so he went to go buy a candy bar, asked his dad for a quarter to go buy a candy bar. Put the quarter in, candy bar came out, and he was so excited. And he thought, let's see what happens if I just pull that lever again. Remember those vending machines you have to pull? And so he pulled it in and another one came out. So then as that eight year old boy, what was he do? Right? And he says he has this whole farm full of candy bars and he says, Dad, look what I got. And he's like, oh, no. We can't do that. You know, you only pay for one. You need to go put them back. But then his dad said, I want that Almond Joy. So but learning right and wrong, we learn it from different people. And, probably what's right or wrong to me could vary differently to every person depending on what we've how we've been raised and what what we've learned through our different circumstances. So if we say killing is wrong, what type of punctuation do you put after that? An exclamation point, a period, a question mark, or a comma? K? That would make that statement so different depending on the punctuation that you have. Right? So now if we look at this, it's killing wrong.
Very true. This next one is a little bit graphic, so I just want to warn you. We'll go through it pretty quickly. Or is killing people wrong? And so we have this, right? If we had a button that would take care of the situation so that this wasn't happening, is that a button that you would be able to push? Okay? We are going to skip through that. Let's say you find a wallet out in the parking lot. What do you do? Turn it in. Turn it in. Right? Look for some ID. A lot of the questions were, let's see if there's any money in it. Right? No. But the grant everyone was pretty much much saying, yeah. But we turned it in. We would walk it right into the building or to the store where it was found or something like that. Right? What happens if it's a dollar bill? You pick it up and you go. Right? Because it's a little bit different. There's really no way to find the owner to that. No. What if it was a $20 bill? Yeah. Good luck trying to find the owner. Yeah. I was really proud of one of our employees. They gave an example. They said that they've been fishing up Logan Canyon and with one of their buddies. And as they were, crossing the river and going up the trail back to their car, there was a $100 bill in the trail. Wow. And he turned to his buddy and he says, Seth, did you lose some money? He's like, no. He's like, oh, my goodness. He did not say that. He said, holy. Yes. Totally. And we just picked it up. And then he said, he went to all of his social media, venues and said, if you lost some money at Logan Canyon, please call to describe. I'd be happy to get it back to the person that has lost that. Right? And he said it happened five years ago, and he still has that $100 bill in his hand. Well Because he didn't feel right about spending it because it's not his. He was one of our law enforcement officers, and that made me really happy to know that we have law enforcement officers about if you sell a used car? Have you ever sold a used car and maybe not told the full truth about selling your used car, about what's wrong with it? You know, Jason calls it putting putting polish on a turd. I don't know if this is my presentation that I would use that, but we all get what that means. Right? So so shining a favorable light on something that may not be exactly right. So the kind of a moral justification. And there could be more than one or one right choice. And so, you know, we have to choose what's what the very best is. There's always better, and the best. And and that's where our ethics come in, is to be able to choose which one's going to be the best. And sometimes we have to look at the long term or the short term of that as well. So how do we make good ethical decisions? So factors that influence our ethical choices are the law. Right? We have to follow the law. It could be our department policies, because each department may have more or less policies. Think about our law enforcement down at our sheriff's office. They have so many policies that they get a daily update on their policies that they have to read and sign off that they've read it. So they keep up on that. And then personal ethics, influences the factors of that as well. So we all have a duty or some type of duty, which is a moral or a legal obligation. And depending on what our position is that we hold, in the county, could be a difference of a duty. Right? So you have to ask yourself, who's impacted? What is the impact? And to who is your duty? And, as you think about your kids, what's your duty to your kids? You know, the law says that we have to feed them, and we have to clothe them, and we have to give them shelter, and we need to get them to school. But do you go even a further step, right, in making sure that your duty is that you love them, and that you teach them the right way, so they're gonna grow up to be good citizens. It was interesting. Jason talked about his daughter that was, in college, and she came home with a college project and was asking some different questions. And he's she said, dad, what is your retirement plan for us as kids? Or do you have one for us as kids? And his answer was, heck no. I don't. You're on your own. Right? But I I think of that, and I would answer the same thing as I'm worried about my retirement. You're gonna worry about yours, type of thing. But then he took it one one step further. Is, you know, what's your your, duty to your kids? Do you believe that your duty is to provide them with a college education? And I think that that can vary depending on families, and and what your thoughts are on that. My thought is, you know what? I paid for my own college education, and I learned a lot because I paid for my own college education. And I learned what ramen noodles tasted like, and I learned that I couldn't go get an ice cream cone if I, you know, wanted one because I didn't even have 75ยข to my name or whatever. You know, those were hard lessons that I had to learn, but that's what helped to shape me into the person that I am today. And I think that those are important lessons for our kids too. So the way, you know, those ethical decisions and what we're making and part of our duty with our kids as well. So long term versus short term decisions. So this is Mitt Romney, and Jason had the opportunity to work for Splock twenty plus years ago and as the risk manager. And, he noticed that there was a lot of, drug abuse going on amongst the volunteers and the employees and brought that to the vice president of human resources and said, hey, by the way, I'm seeing this. We're not doing any drug testing. I know that because when I came in for my interview, I waited to get my sample, and no one asked for my sample. So I hurried and ran to the bathroom, right, on a break or whatever, and wondered why they they weren't doing that. And the response was, you know, we're we would lose a lot of people. People wouldn't be able to work here. Well, then there was a major accident that happened, and they did drug testing after that accident. And it was due to the drugs that that accident happened. And and Mitt Romney got up and was talking to the vice president of human resources and said, you know, well, we do drug testing. Right? And he's like, well, no. And I said, well, why don't we? And he said, well, we would lose a lot of people. We wouldn't be able to to have to run the Olympics because of all of the the abuse that's going on. And, Mitt said, it doesn't matter. And, you know, no matter what your thoughts are on Senator Romney at this time, I think at that point, that was a wonderful statement that he made, that helped me to realize that it doesn't matter. You should always do what's right, no matter what that what that outcome is going to be, because, the other outcome might be even worse. So this is kind of a fun video, and we'll end with this and maybe just a few follow ups. Let's see if this will play. Maybe. Maybe we're not gonna watch it. Nope. We're not gonna watch it. Anyway, this is a video, and it's an officer that is pulling over a drunk. And he says, no. I'm not drunk. I'm not drunk. And so she's running him through all of the, you know, the protocol. And then she makes him do some dance steps, and he does some dance steps. And a kia and a kia and throw his hat up in the air. And she's like, wow, are you a dancer? And he's like, And then she cuts him and sends him on his way to jail. So, kind of interesting. So ethical decision making. So a couple of things that happen in our everyday life. Your boss compliments you for someone else's work. You for someone else's work. I don't think that's a hard one to say. Oh, it wasn't me. That was so and so. And they did a really great job. Don't you think? So but some people may have a hard time saying that and want to maybe just take all the worry for them. You have insight oh, we already talked about this one. Insight knowledge that the Costco is gonna be built near some property. Budget numbers on a report to make it look better. Okay? Free coffee or soda at the convenience store. So Jason also tells a story about he got a mug from, the Tooele police department. He'd done some, work for them, and as a thank you, they gave them a mug with the logo on it. And he went out there to go do a training. It was early in the morning, stopped at the seven eleven, took his mug in to go get it refilled, and went to pay. And the cashier says, hey. You're good. He's like, no. I haven't paid for it yet. And he's like, no. You're good. He's like, but I haven't paid. I need to pay you for my drink. Get out of here. And so he says, you know, three times I'm not gonna continue. So he he left and just thought nothing of it. Just thought it was free drink day or whatever, you know. And then as he's driving down the road and he takes a drink out of this cup, that logo kind of shines in his eyes, and he went, I just got the cough discount. You know. And so kind of what we were talking about a little bit earlier, Sandy, you know, is that it's something that's expected, and are you treating that business owner differently because of the the, discounts that they're giving you or the freebies that they're giving you. If it affects your decision of how you treat them, then that's that's an issue. Half price meals while in uniform, still the same type of thing. If you're not going to arrest the owner because they give you half price meals, if they're, you know, breaking the law, then we have a problem. Ask a traffic violator for a date. We all know that's, yeah, very unethical.
Very true. This next one is a little bit graphic, so I just want to warn you. We'll go through it pretty quickly. Or is killing people wrong? And so we have this, right? If we had a button that would take care of the situation so that this wasn't happening, is that a button that you would be able to push? Okay? We are going to skip through that. Let's say you find a wallet out in the parking lot. What do you do? Turn it in. Turn it in. Right? Look for some ID. A lot of the questions were, let's see if there's any money in it. Right? No. But the grant everyone was pretty much much saying, yeah. But we turned it in. We would walk it right into the building or to the store where it was found or something like that. Right? What happens if it's a dollar bill? You pick it up and you go. Right? Because it's a little bit different. There's really no way to find the owner to that. No. What if it was a $20 bill? Yeah. Good luck trying to find the owner. Yeah. I was really proud of one of our employees. They gave an example. They said that they've been fishing up Logan Canyon and with one of their buddies. And as they were, crossing the river and going up the trail back to their car, there was a $100 bill in the trail. Wow. And he turned to his buddy and he says, Seth, did you lose some money? He's like, no. He's like, oh, my goodness. He did not say that. He said, holy. Yes. Totally. And we just picked it up. And then he said, he went to all of his social media, venues and said, if you lost some money at Logan Canyon, please call to describe. I'd be happy to get it back to the person that has lost that. Right? And he said it happened five years ago, and he still has that $100 bill in his hand. Well Because he didn't feel right about spending it because it's not his. He was one of our law enforcement officers, and that made me really happy to know that we have law enforcement officers about if you sell a used car? Have you ever sold a used car and maybe not told the full truth about selling your used car, about what's wrong with it? You know, Jason calls it putting putting polish on a turd. I don't know if this is my presentation that I would use that, but we all get what that means. Right? So so shining a favorable light on something that may not be exactly right. So the kind of a moral justification. And there could be more than one or one right choice. And so, you know, we have to choose what's what the very best is. There's always better, and the best. And and that's where our ethics come in, is to be able to choose which one's going to be the best. And sometimes we have to look at the long term or the short term of that as well. So how do we make good ethical decisions? So factors that influence our ethical choices are the law. Right? We have to follow the law. It could be our department policies, because each department may have more or less policies. Think about our law enforcement down at our sheriff's office. They have so many policies that they get a daily update on their policies that they have to read and sign off that they've read it. So they keep up on that. And then personal ethics, influences the factors of that as well. So we all have a duty or some type of duty, which is a moral or a legal obligation. And depending on what our position is that we hold, in the county, could be a difference of a duty. Right? So you have to ask yourself, who's impacted? What is the impact? And to who is your duty? And, as you think about your kids, what's your duty to your kids? You know, the law says that we have to feed them, and we have to clothe them, and we have to give them shelter, and we need to get them to school. But do you go even a further step, right, in making sure that your duty is that you love them, and that you teach them the right way, so they're gonna grow up to be good citizens. It was interesting. Jason talked about his daughter that was, in college, and she came home with a college project and was asking some different questions. And he's she said, dad, what is your retirement plan for us as kids? Or do you have one for us as kids? And his answer was, heck no. I don't. You're on your own. Right? But I I think of that, and I would answer the same thing as I'm worried about my retirement. You're gonna worry about yours, type of thing. But then he took it one one step further. Is, you know, what's your your, duty to your kids? Do you believe that your duty is to provide them with a college education? And I think that that can vary depending on families, and and what your thoughts are on that. My thought is, you know what? I paid for my own college education, and I learned a lot because I paid for my own college education. And I learned what ramen noodles tasted like, and I learned that I couldn't go get an ice cream cone if I, you know, wanted one because I didn't even have 75ยข to my name or whatever. You know, those were hard lessons that I had to learn, but that's what helped to shape me into the person that I am today. And I think that those are important lessons for our kids too. So the way, you know, those ethical decisions and what we're making and part of our duty with our kids as well. So long term versus short term decisions. So this is Mitt Romney, and Jason had the opportunity to work for Splock twenty plus years ago and as the risk manager. And, he noticed that there was a lot of, drug abuse going on amongst the volunteers and the employees and brought that to the vice president of human resources and said, hey, by the way, I'm seeing this. We're not doing any drug testing. I know that because when I came in for my interview, I waited to get my sample, and no one asked for my sample. So I hurried and ran to the bathroom, right, on a break or whatever, and wondered why they they weren't doing that. And the response was, you know, we're we would lose a lot of people. People wouldn't be able to work here. Well, then there was a major accident that happened, and they did drug testing after that accident. And it was due to the drugs that that accident happened. And and Mitt Romney got up and was talking to the vice president of human resources and said, you know, well, we do drug testing. Right? And he's like, well, no. And I said, well, why don't we? And he said, well, we would lose a lot of people. We wouldn't be able to to have to run the Olympics because of all of the the abuse that's going on. And, Mitt said, it doesn't matter. And, you know, no matter what your thoughts are on Senator Romney at this time, I think at that point, that was a wonderful statement that he made, that helped me to realize that it doesn't matter. You should always do what's right, no matter what that what that outcome is going to be, because, the other outcome might be even worse. So this is kind of a fun video, and we'll end with this and maybe just a few follow ups. Let's see if this will play. Maybe. Maybe we're not gonna watch it. Nope. We're not gonna watch it. Anyway, this is a video, and it's an officer that is pulling over a drunk. And he says, no. I'm not drunk. I'm not drunk. And so she's running him through all of the, you know, the protocol. And then she makes him do some dance steps, and he does some dance steps. And a kia and a kia and throw his hat up in the air. And she's like, wow, are you a dancer? And he's like, And then she cuts him and sends him on his way to jail. So, kind of interesting. So ethical decision making. So a couple of things that happen in our everyday life. Your boss compliments you for someone else's work. You for someone else's work. I don't think that's a hard one to say. Oh, it wasn't me. That was so and so. And they did a really great job. Don't you think? So but some people may have a hard time saying that and want to maybe just take all the worry for them. You have insight oh, we already talked about this one. Insight knowledge that the Costco is gonna be built near some property. Budget numbers on a report to make it look better. Okay? Free coffee or soda at the convenience store. So Jason also tells a story about he got a mug from, the Tooele police department. He'd done some, work for them, and as a thank you, they gave them a mug with the logo on it. And he went out there to go do a training. It was early in the morning, stopped at the seven eleven, took his mug in to go get it refilled, and went to pay. And the cashier says, hey. You're good. He's like, no. I haven't paid for it yet. And he's like, no. You're good. He's like, but I haven't paid. I need to pay you for my drink. Get out of here. And so he says, you know, three times I'm not gonna continue. So he he left and just thought nothing of it. Just thought it was free drink day or whatever, you know. And then as he's driving down the road and he takes a drink out of this cup, that logo kind of shines in his eyes, and he went, I just got the cough discount. You know. And so kind of what we were talking about a little bit earlier, Sandy, you know, is that it's something that's expected, and are you treating that business owner differently because of the the, discounts that they're giving you or the freebies that they're giving you. If it affects your decision of how you treat them, then that's that's an issue. Half price meals while in uniform, still the same type of thing. If you're not going to arrest the owner because they give you half price meals, if they're, you know, breaking the law, then we have a problem. Ask a traffic violator for a date. We all know that's, yeah, very unethical.
Alright. Well, what if you bowled over your wife?
Alright. Well, what if you bowled over your wife?
Right. I will tell you that one of the questions that Jason posed was what have you the person that you pull over as a council member? And the different responses that we got, but the one that I thought was very best was we would call the highway patrol because there's a conflict, and we would allow highway patrol to handle that. So I thought that was a really good good answer with that. I got pulled over
Right. I will tell you that one of the questions that Jason posed was what have you the person that you pull over as a council member? And the different responses that we got, but the one that I thought was very best was we would call the highway patrol because there's a conflict, and we would allow highway patrol to handle that. So I thought that was a really good good answer with that. I got pulled over
after I better shut up. But it was after a a fair, you know. It was really late, and I was on my way home, And one of my old students pulled me over. Oh. You know? And and I was tired, and I probably was. But I you know, he came up, and he goes, oh, Dave. How are you doing? I go, I'm doing great. Hey. How are you doing? You bet. He says, Oh, just drive careful on the way home. Yeah. I says, Well, it's like going fast? He says, Well, you're going a little fast, but you'll be fine. That was it. Yeah. So from a past relationship, I've benefited from not getting a ticket. Yeah.
after I better shut up. But it was after a a fair, you know. It was really late, and I was on my way home, And one of my old students pulled me over. Oh. You know? And and I was tired, and I probably was. But I you know, he came up, and he goes, oh, Dave. How are you doing? I go, I'm doing great. Hey. How are you doing? You bet. He says, Oh, just drive careful on the way home. Yeah. I says, Well, it's like going fast? He says, Well, you're going a little fast, but you'll be fine. That was it. Yeah. So from a past relationship, I've benefited from not getting a ticket. Yeah.
go But he didn't I'm thinking so they think they're probably doing more than He didn't tell me how far I was going over, anything like that. He just I think sometimes they're looking. Once they see that you're not inebriated and you're not Yeah. Like I think you he says everything very I'm gonna see if I can catch him. I know how to take it in my whole life. So Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Hey. Make make a note of this.
go But he didn't I'm thinking so they think they're probably doing more than He didn't tell me how far I was going over, anything like that. He just I think sometimes they're looking. Once they see that you're not inebriated and you're not Yeah. Like I think you he says everything very I'm gonna see if I can catch him. I know how to take it in my whole life. So Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Hey. Make make a note of this.
A couple years ago, I was I'm I know. I'm so sorry. Right? And I'll be right back. And so he comes back. I knew I was getting a ticket. But he was kind, and he's like, you know, you know, be careful getting these girls. I don't want them to be any later. How easy would it have been to be to address him by his name? Because I knew him, but it's also on his uniform. Yeah. And for me to say, hey. Remember me? I'm the HR director of the county. You know? But I didn't feel like that that was ethical and that I yeah. I had broken the law, and I needed to have that consequence, whatever it was. So, you know, just different things like that. So long term versus short term, the basis of of decisions, which is better. And I mean, it probably just depends on the decision. You just never know. So, individuals and organizations who demonstrate high ethical values are more successful over the long run. Do you agree? And I I think all of us would agree with that. Yeah. So, doing the right thing when nobody is looking, even when it hurts. So, you know, speaking of picking up the wallet, I walked out of Maverick one morning, and that's my stop in the morning. It's not Adventures First Stop. It's Amy's First Stop. And I have my purse in one hand and my drink in another hand. And as I'm walking out, I look down, and someone's Maverick Nitro card is down there. And that's the one that's connected right to your I just don't have time. I'm already late. So I go in and I get in the car, I put my drink in and my purse in, and I just sat there. And I was like, I've been through this training eight times now. I had better go pick up that bank card. So I went back and I picked up the card and just handed it to the cashier and just said, hey. Someone's probably missing this. Make sure they get it. She's like, oh, thank you so much. They really would be missing that. But going through this training, it really does make you think. And that's what I am hoping that as we've gone through this with all of our employees and now with you, that when you're faced with ethical decisions, that it just stops makes you stop and think just a little bit longer, and what should I do, and what's the right thing to do, and is it gonna make me even later? Is it gonna hurt me? Is it gonna hurt someone else? And then make that decision. And this is our summary. Basically, everything that we covered. So making your best right choice. Not all legal acts are ethical. Duty is a moral or a legal obligation. Decisions require consideration of duty owed and decisions best choice for the most people in the long run. So any questions?
A couple years ago, I was I'm I know. I'm so sorry. Right? And I'll be right back. And so he comes back. I knew I was getting a ticket. But he was kind, and he's like, you know, you know, be careful getting these girls. I don't want them to be any later. How easy would it have been to be to address him by his name? Because I knew him, but it's also on his uniform. Yeah. And for me to say, hey. Remember me? I'm the HR director of the county. You know? But I didn't feel like that that was ethical and that I yeah. I had broken the law, and I needed to have that consequence, whatever it was. So, you know, just different things like that. So long term versus short term, the basis of of decisions, which is better. And I mean, it probably just depends on the decision. You just never know. So, individuals and organizations who demonstrate high ethical values are more successful over the long run. Do you agree? And I I think all of us would agree with that. Yeah. So, doing the right thing when nobody is looking, even when it hurts. So, you know, speaking of picking up the wallet, I walked out of Maverick one morning, and that's my stop in the morning. It's not Adventures First Stop. It's Amy's First Stop. And I have my purse in one hand and my drink in another hand. And as I'm walking out, I look down, and someone's Maverick Nitro card is down there. And that's the one that's connected right to your I just don't have time. I'm already late. So I go in and I get in the car, I put my drink in and my purse in, and I just sat there. And I was like, I've been through this training eight times now. I had better go pick up that bank card. So I went back and I picked up the card and just handed it to the cashier and just said, hey. Someone's probably missing this. Make sure they get it. She's like, oh, thank you so much. They really would be missing that. But going through this training, it really does make you think. And that's what I am hoping that as we've gone through this with all of our employees and now with you, that when you're faced with ethical decisions, that it just stops makes you stop and think just a little bit longer, and what should I do, and what's the right thing to do, and is it gonna make me even later? Is it gonna hurt me? Is it gonna hurt someone else? And then make that decision. And this is our summary. Basically, everything that we covered. So making your best right choice. Not all legal acts are ethical. Duty is a moral or a legal obligation. Decisions require consideration of duty owed and decisions best choice for the most people in the long run. So any questions?
Just a comment. Yeah. I've always found when you choose the right thing, you feel better about yourself.
Just a comment. Yeah. I've always found when you choose the right thing, you feel better about yourself.
Even if it was hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. It's true. I think so. And I think it says a lot about people's character. You know? So
Even if it was hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. It's true. I think so. And I think it says a lot about people's character. You know? So
But okay. What if there are ethical? The ethics are broken. Do you know? If they there is a situation, what then?
But okay. What if there are ethical? The ethics are broken. Do you know? If they there is a situation, what then?
Yeah. Yeah. I think it depends on the person. If it's an employee and it's an ethical something ethical has been broken, then we would point back to department hallmarks.
Yeah. Yeah. I think it depends on the person. If it's an employee and it's an ethical something ethical has been broken, then we would point back to department hallmarks.
Yeah. It would it would depend on what it was, but, yeah, there's definitely meat in our policy and policy and the disciplinary process that we've called. Yeah. An elected official, we would look at probably the ethics committee, right?
Yeah. It would it would depend on what it was, but, yeah, there's definitely meat in our policy and policy and the disciplinary process that we've called. Yeah. An elected official, we would look at probably the ethics committee, right?
And Who makes up the ethics committee? You know, we don't have
And Who makes up the ethics committee? You know, we don't have
I got some other questions, but I better I better go to see Dane. Okay.
I got some other questions, but I better I better go to see Dane. Okay.
Yep. Dane is a good resource. Jeris is a great resource. I'm happy to be with you too, Dane. Days.
Yep. Dane is a good resource. Jeris is a great resource. I'm happy to be with you too, Dane. Days.
Well, if you're just gonna point to the other office, let's go straight to date. On your concerns.
Well, if you're just gonna point to the other office, let's go straight to date. On your concerns.
Do we fill this out even if we don't have anything? No. We can do the same. Okay.
Do we fill this out even if we don't have anything? No. We can do the same. Okay.
Awesome. Thanks, Don, if you wanna take it. Thanks for sitting through an hour of ethics training with me. That
Awesome. Thanks, Don, if you wanna take it. Thanks for sitting through an hour of ethics training with me. That
was great. You did a great job. Thank you.
was great. You did a great job. Thank you.
Bill, that sworn statement is gonna be really good for you all to have because you're that's what you will be probably presented to you as we're working on this process of when an individual who needs to report to the county council, they'll probably be handing that to you. And then so if you're familiar with it, then you can kinda look through. It. You probably won't get familiar with it until you actually start looking at someone who's filled it out and because it just doesn't make sense until it kinda gets put into context.
Bill, that sworn statement is gonna be really good for you all to have because you're that's what you will be probably presented to you as we're working on this process of when an individual who needs to report to the county council, they'll probably be handing that to you. And then so if you're familiar with it, then you can kinda look through. It. You probably won't get familiar with it until you actually start looking at someone who's filled it out and because it just doesn't make sense until it kinda gets put into context.
We need to make sure that all members of the county council have access to the policy and procedures. Okay. I can do that. And that's well, I think that we ought to have access to the internet or whatever that what is The intranet? Yeah. Yeah.
We need to make sure that all members of the county council have access to the policy and procedures. Okay. I can do that. And that's well, I think that we ought to have access to the internet or whatever that what is The intranet? Yeah. Yeah.
The the thing with the intranet is that you have to be here on campus to access it. Mhmm. So, we may need to give you access a different way.
The the thing with the intranet is that you have to be here on campus to access it. Mhmm. So, we may need to give you access a different way.
I think I think that'd be valuable Yeah. For us to to have is is, you know, you just you question something, you could do a bit of little research or we sit our hound dog, Micah, on it.
I think I think that'd be valuable Yeah. For us to to have is is, you know, you just you question something, you could do a bit of little research or we sit our hound dog, Micah, on it.
K. He's a bloodhound. That's where One thing to remember with the personal policy and procedures, Daniel, is that it is I don't know a better way to say it, but owned by the HR office. So if there are any things that we need to change or do it or make adjustments to, it does need to come through my office before we make those changes just so that I'm aware and I can make sure we're following all HR laws and then it's presented to the
K. He's a bloodhound. That's where One thing to remember with the personal policy and procedures, Daniel, is that it is I don't know a better way to say it, but owned by the HR office. So if there are any things that we need to change or do it or make adjustments to, it does need to come through my office before we make those changes just so that I'm aware and I can make sure we're following all HR laws and then it's presented to the
Well, note we have that some of that in the ordinance and policy. Yes. So
Well, note we have that some of that in the ordinance and policy. Yes. So
it has a it's looked into quite a bit before it even gets to council too. So Yeah. Okay. I would just like to see it before it gets ordinance and policy review if there's something changing or looking at.
it has a it's looked into quite a bit before it even gets to council too. So Yeah. Okay. I would just like to see it before it gets ordinance and policy review if there's something changing or looking at.