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Of the Logan's weird than there. Logan Cash. That may be a good thing. I've got some good news and some bad news. The bad news is we don't have a quorum, so we will not be making any decisions today. The good news is we don't have a quorum, so we're we won't be making any mistakes today. We cannot approve the minutes, but would like the Brett to report on his visit to the tower, because that was an official meeting of the board under the sunshine rules of the state. And there were four of the board members present. So

Thank you. So we went out and with Aaron, we went through the tower first timer for my visit, and very interesting to go in there. And I understand, I have a perspective now of the university's concern with the safety issues, etcetera. And as we went through it, there are, there are a lot of things that need to be done if it's to be preserved. And, you know, as you look at it, you think, well, that's a monument, it's got to stay. And then you go inside and you think, well, this has got to go. And so you can see your emotions go back and forth, and we know there are a lot of emotions in the community about that tower. And so as a board, we just talked about some ideas and some thoughts, and we're gonna be following up on some of those. And the hope or the goal would be to preserve it and find the funds available out there, private funds. We won't, we will try and not take it from the airport, but see if there's a path forward to keep it in the master plan. Make sure, Judd, we're not doing something that's crazy with tying anything up there, so. But there's, there's some immediate need to get some things done in that place. So, it's really where we are. There's more to come. We'll present those minutes

for approval at our next meeting also. Manager's report.

Alright. Thank you. And I agree with everything about the tower, and I know that's probably gonna be talked about more in the future. It is a and I'm new to town here, and it's it's definitely something that I think that should be preserved, but I agree with the logistics logistics of it and everything like that are are an interesting topic. So I'll be pretty fast today, I hope. So one thing, the snowplow, everyone's noticed the snow around lately. It has been a bit of a challenge for us, and a growing growing pains for me. And and I've appreciated the help I've had from my my staff, and Logan City. And so, we are I'm learning and, we do have some plans and some things in place to try to improve those, that process and, and get it done in a better manner. And, so there's more to come as far as that goes. But, hopefully winter's almost done and we can deal with that next year. But with that, the paint on the runway, taxiway, ramps area, the paint is getting ripped up pretty good. And so that's something I'm gonna be talking about more in the future. And I know that some of the, runway and taxiway preservation projects will hopefully cover some of that. And so, hopefully, we're not responsible for the bulk majority of of the cost of those. But I just wanted to throw the paint out there that it is, gonna be something I'll be talking about more in the future.

Excuse me, Judd. Would you make sure that that gets brought up with the state Yes. Next next week as part of their preservation next preservation project.

Good morning. The next item, that's kind of a probably the biggest topic of discussion is the fuel farm. We have brought this up in the past in a few meetings. And the FAA, like we've all said, they are mandating some new regulations on the fuel farms, and the age of our fuel farms has brought us to explore replacing the fuel farms, the fuel tanks, and the whole system. We've got some prices, some rough estimates as far as costs go. And just like we all know, I think everything in the last couple years has doubled in cost. And every time you hear a price, you kinda choke. And I'm still choking over them. And and so some of the estimates are 1 and a half million up to $2,000,000, to to take care of the fuel farm. I think a couple years ago, it was maybe closer to 1,000,000, but, everything has gone up and getting it in in writing. We and we have quite a bit of details that I can get you guys as far as breakdowns and exhibits and drawings of where those, different ideas are. But, basically, we boiled it down to three or four different ideas, and the cheapest one's about 1 and a half million. And that's, like I said, a rough estimate. So, we had some game plans to try to to get this funded. The wraps and restaurant tax was our initial idea. The application is due tomorrow at 5PM for that. They're obviously not gonna give us $2,000,000. They might not even give us a half million. I don't know. That was kinda the that was my plan. When I thought it was about a million dollars was to ask them for 700, ask the state, UDOT, for 300, and then the airport would come up with a one or two. But now that we're 1 and a half to 2,000,000 range, I guess I'm asking for some guidance on how to proceed with that, if I should still ask for that wraps if I should fill that grant out. Like I said, I don't know if it's if it's a good thing to ask for 500,000 from them if we can't even come up with the other million. I'm I I've had some discussions with with John about this, and I feel like we're kind of looking for some help, some guidance. And and so there's two issues with the fuel farm. Obviously, the FAA and the new mandate that they've put in place that comes into effect in June. We're supposed to have an automatic fuel shutoff device. And so we're worried about spending the money on the tanks that are twenty plus years old and deteriorating and they're right next to a wetland in Springs, so the environmental risk of those tanks being located, where they're at and their age and their condition is the other aspect of it. So this is definitely so I think it's important today because that application is due tomorrow. I have it all filled out, ready to be submitted, but I just I don't know if I don't wanna waste I don't wanna waste that ammunition or whatever the right word is if we're not gonna use it, if or if if, yeah, it's just, it's a lot, I think, and so I just, I'm happy to fill out the application and submit it. I don't know for how much I should ask for. It's just timing of it is interesting. We have a meeting with the state in a couple weeks, and so the timing of that makes it hard because we don't know how much they're going to give us. They have a new director for that, and so we don't know his standpoint on things. So I guess I'm asking or looking for some guidance on if

any questions or input?

I would say with respect to wraps, that's a big ask from them, but I would also say nothing ventured, nothing gained. So how much is the shutoff?

I do not know.

I don't believe that's Is it would it how much would it require for you to comply with the FAA by June?

Judd on the spot, but if he has any

If I were to ballpark throw out a number, this is a 100% gas, and I'd say $10. Depending on the type of shutoff needed. Okay. But that is a 100 percent guess. Like, it could be five. It could be 50.

So it it seems to me like we need to comply and then create a longer term plan for the farm itself. But

I don't options are a phased approach.

Yeah. And I so I think that if we ask for the RAP's money, we could and we were act actually granted it, we might be able to begin that phased approach and comply with the FAA without having to do the whole shoot and match at once. Okay. Because I really believe that we don't have the funding, and you're not gonna find the funding. I mean, maybe you'll get really lucky with Udot, and we can do more. But I would try and think it through in terms of let's do what we absolutely have to do today and hope we can phase it over time, over the next year, year and a half, and get it all completed the way we need it to be. Okay. Because I think that, you know, you between Logan City and Cache County, it's gonna be a tough sell to say, oh, we need an extra million bucks.

Yeah. So Good. Anything to add? Just

if if the deadline is tomorrow, if we don't meet that deadline, when is the next application?

Next year. The twelfth month. Next year. Next year.

Next year. Next year. Once a year.

But I would, you know, I would really you know, I've been on that committee before, and there are a lot of requests. Mhmm. So I think that putting it in front of them is not a bad thing. They may not you may not get all of it. You may get, you know, a little bit, but I think every little bit helps, and then they can reapply next year for the same sort of thing. Based on that comment, then, Jeanne, would would you suggest that he

shoot for the moon, shoot for any idea on the dollar amount that you would say the application should contain? I would not go as high as $7.50.

I would probably keep it 49.

Good luck. I would

that's bright. I would say I would I would put it in at 500 and see what you could come up with. It it's hard because that tax supports the arts and supports parks and supports, you know, other sorts of things, and I know that, the City usually, you know, comes up with a certain percentage of it, but it's all used for parks and infrastructure, sorts of things, And it it also depends on who applies and what they want.

That makes sense to me to go ahead, put it in. You're going to be meeting with Udot. You'll get a feel for where they are and then then we can circle back around. Okay. But what I'd hate to do, Jeanne, is tie up some money from RAPS

if we're not moving forward and take it away from other programs. But if he's if he said we can we can do it in a in a struck in a phasing way Agreed. That might, you know, get us the first phase. Mhmm. You know, if we were to be, you know, lucky enough to get that money from them and say we got 500,000 from UDOT, that's two thirds of the project, and we could, you know, phase through the last of it in the next year.

The the thing that he alluded to in terms of phasing, There's the relocation, and the ultimate is to have a remote self fueling site somewhere inside the fence. The tanks would be outside the fence so they're easily accessed by the fuel trucks. But a self fueling point inside the fence for transients, pilots. And those clearly could be separated and and handled in a phase matter. My suggestion would be to pay for the cut out shutoff valve. Out of your current budget. Mhmm and because it's small enough that that's not going to upset your year end. And use Jeannie's suggestion. Ask for 500,000 for phase one. Play the environment card. Play the age card. Play the risk card.

Oh, and play the play the, you know,

the the tourism card. The the the economic Benefit card. Benefit card. Play those in your application. And does that work, mister county auditor?

Yeah. You perhaps also,

you can put it in and

and you have until the end

Right. So you've got two years to use it. So

nothing. Yep. Doing all of that Yeah. For the whole big picture, doing it in phases, I think that would be beneficial.

Yeah. I think that and you know, with the thought that there's, you know, if you were to be given, say, you've applied for 500, you got $2.50, then I would turn around next year and ask for another two fifty, you know, that sort of thing. Because I think that, you know, talking about it in a phased approach gives the committee the concept that you may come back. And, you know,

educates them along the way. Yes. It does. Does that give you the help you need? It does. It does.

And not to be Debbie Downer on the whole thing, but they could say no and give a zero. The state could say no and give a zero. That's absolute worst case scenario. And Then we have to then we have to have to come back to the drawing board. We have to come back and figure it out. So and So hopefully, that isn't anywhere near that what happens. But so but, yeah, that'd be worst case scenario. Best case scenario is. Maybe we could go to the EPA for a draft.

That's true. True. We might be able to

Dig into some things? Yep. Okay. Sounds like a good plan. Two other quick things. We have a hangar waiting list that we've been creating. We have two spots right now that are ready to be built on, and I have one person for each lot. So, basically, I have two people lined up for those spots. And then the Taxiway India project, we're creating a waiting list for those open spots. So I just wanna give you update that I'll probably be presenting you a letter soon from those two individuals to start building those last two hangar spots that we have today. So my last thing is, hopefully, a good note, but it's, March is Aviation Appreciation Month. Kind of a a silly thing, but

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so Salt Lake mayor named March Aviation Appreciation Month. And I just I think it's kinda I did it a little bit last month. I just I like to share a little bit of I think, what we're talking about, education and why we're all here and what the point of the airport is and who all uses it. But, so I'm not gonna go over this whole report with you guys, but this is a UDOT summary. And you can go to their website and look at all this. Like I said, I'm not gonna go through the whole thing, but it just gives some great information. Like, this is where Utah ranks in a lotta things. And so I just wanna show you guys this to, it just has a lot of things we were talking about. The economic impact on our communities, as far as the airport recommend you guys pulling this up. I think if we're gonna be able to read this, but so here's Logan right here. You can see my hand thing. It's a 194 employees. That's how much payroll goes out. Total spending, 13,000,000. Economic activity, 17,000,000, and the tax revenue is 640,000. And so this over here, this is all our commercial. Everyone up here has commercial service, so I don't think they really count to compete against or compare against, I guess, is probably a better word. But this is a a a cool thing that I found just looking through this of where we fall compared to a lot of the other, airports and and our master plan and, things that Judd has been working with that we're gonna be presenting soon, showing how busy we are that I don't think anyone realized how busy of an airport we are compared to other airports in the state, especially as far as funding goes and things like that. So that's why I think it'd be great if everybody wants to jump on this website and and go through this. I thought it was a pretty cool a lot of information on here. And then the other one, I'll show you real fast, is from from the same. But this one is Logan Cash Airport specific. So if you get on here, you can see the Utah wide one or airport individual. And this has a lot of activities and how busy we are. And another big thing that they do talk about in this is how underfunded airports are and and things like that. So I just thought this was a really good bit of information that I encourage everyone to get on their website and check that out.

We are the second busiest airport in the state behind international by a wide margin. Thanks to the Aggies. Yep. Well, Aggie aviation. Okay. Yep. So and we are way down in terms of budget behind many others. So

So I have to ask the mayor, but would you be willing to come and just talk about Aviation Month, March being Aviation Month and at the city council meeting? I'd love to. Okay. Let me she's out of town, so I will have to ask her about it. Okay. She's the one who does all of those declarations and things. But

I think that's a great idea. Yeah. Just let me know. Okay. Thanks. Okay.

Any questions?

Alright. Thank you.

Mister Hunsaker, you've been in this meeting before? I have. Past airport manager. Never lost his love for aviation.

You stole my intro. Oh, no. I was gonna say, what's the board doing letting guys walk in off the street and just present with people that don't know me? And the people that do wanna know me are gonna be like, well, what are we letting him in here for? I think there's some particular reason. My first mayor badge was aviation when I was a scout. I always wanted to learn how to fly. Didn't happen until 2002 when I was on active duty with the Air Force Air National Guard and Salt Lake International. I went to Utah State, got my got my degree in aviation maintenance with a minor in management. Graduated in 2010. Worked for Scott with Kim, leading Ash for a while. Worked down in UVU in their aviation shop for a while. Right now, I'm completely retired. I've had, I don't know, what, five, six careers, you know, something like that. And counting? And counting. I'm completely retired. Although, I do help doctor Dan Boston who stumbled into a box of airplane parts and was having a hard time kind of turning that into a a flying machine. I owned an airplane for a while. I owned actually the predecessor to Dan Skiffox, who was an Abbott. I flew it out of Brigham City because Logan, there was no room in the end at the time I had my airplane. I want to talk about something that is near and dear to my heart. When I was the airport manager, there was a plethora. There is a plethora of documents in that office. And I went through those, and among those documents, I found construction drawings structure. The drawings were dated November, I think, September 1941.

Oh, wow.

They were drawn by two people, the current Logan engineer, Logan City engineer, and a gentleman up on campus of the Utah State Agricultural College, engineering department. So both USU and Logan City had a hand in the development of the tower. It was built in 1942 by, the Army Corps of Engineers who did a ton of work on the field. They regraveled the two non paved runways, auxiliary runways. They did the drainage plan and put drainage in the field, which is freaking zero elevation, so it floods every single time. At that point in time, I decided, god, what a great idea. Nobody's I think JET Center was was the lease holder at the time, which included the terminal building, the old terminal building, and the tower. The tower was used for storage. That's all I did. Threw junk in there and closed the door. When USU purchased the Winnie the lease or leased that, basically, it was stored for y'all. Isn't it Aaron? Little, but it wasn't used for much. It wasn't used for what it was designed for. When the army corps built it, this tower, and let me show you When the army corps build it, this tower and let me show you a great picture that illustrates that particular concept. If you're a theater going person or movie going person, the very best seat in the house is center stage, first row. When they built that tower at the airport, that tower is center stage, first row. You have a completely unobstructed view of every runway on the airport. Every departure end, every unit rival end. You can see the taxiways. You can see what's going on out there. I thought in my little brain while I was sitting at the office before I was mowing along her clown snowing, which holy cow. Why don't we turn that tower into a place where the community can come, wind their way up that spiral staircase, sit up there on that observation deck, and appreciate aviation from the very best seat in the house? And that's how I sold it to John. I came up to him at the end of the the January meeting. He I asked him, do you have any meeting in February? And he said, no. We don't we don't have any. We don't have any agenda items. And I said, well, okay. How about this? Why don't we make the tower the best seat in the house? Allow people to come who are interested in aviation, or maybe they're not. Because this is also you're talking about economic development. It is another feather, another arrow in the tourism bureau to sell of things to do in Logan. Hey. And if you've never seen a seven thirty seven or an eighth two eighty, is it? The smaller ones? An airbus. An airliner, when you're down at Salt Lake, they're like, oh, they're really small. When they're taxiing on Bravo to come into the location of the tower, they look like they are monsters. And that is an event. Anybody would be interested. Anybody would be interested in watching that. Many airports actually set aside areas for people who are interested in that, who like aviation, who want to not necessarily learn how to fly, but who want to be closer, come down and sit and watch. They they provide parking. They provide tables, even shade. I mean, trees at an airport. Who would have thunk it? And that allows those folks that are interested in supporting aviation, even if only from a passive perspective, come and do that. And so my thought was, why can't we do that here? And so that's my proposal. That is what I really would like to see happen. I understand, but I worked in in a job that was every single day liability prone. Huge. So I understand liability. But I also, last summer, was in Tybee Island, Georgia at a lighthouse that has been restored that has a spiral staircase to get to the top. And they do allow people to go out onto the observation ramp and holy cow. It's and I don't recall that there's a ton of safety features on their observation tower. I don't remember. My brain has has started to decay. But it's a beautiful view. And the same could be said for the Tower Of Logan City. And let me tell you the other thing that I love about aviation. When you see that blast off the end, the departure end of Runway 34, there's nothing like it in the world. Some of the things that I've learned in my research is, apparently, mister Bill Francis, I believe, who was a long time manager at the airport, did file with the

state

oh, state preservation office, historical preservation office. But the application was incomplete, and they took no note. And an easy thing that we can do, and I don't know where the tower legally lies in limbo. But one of the first things that we probably should do if we're interested in preserving this tower, and I think we should, we were part of the civilian pilot training program in World War two. The tower was built to observe and control 52 instructors. How many do you guys have out there? 68. 68. So they've exceeded us. You have 68 airframes close? 40 ish? 44?

Yeah. Oh, eight percent seven helicopter.

Yeah. So they have more instructors, but our traffic did was probably higher in World War Two than it is today. All of these guys, 3,000 over three years, came into Logan. They lived here. They they trained here. They spent their money here on days off. They learned to fly primary flight training at our airport and then went on to the bigger picture to get secondary and additional flight training at other bases for their job. So we in reality, by opening the tower to the community and the public are doing exactly what the tower was built for. Hasn't been changed. It still maintains looks like these pictures, so somebody painted it white. Yeah. It needs a lot of work. It's over 80 years old. I suspect when I'm that old, I'm gonna need a lot of work. But it's worth it, in my opinion, for the preservation of the fact that we were involved in an endeavor that changed the world. Even if it was only in a small way by providing pilots, that endeavor yeah, it does have problems. To me, yeah, it does have problems. Absolutely. But you know what? I don't care. And that's I am not a liability manager. I I make risk management every day. Can I make it across the street before Aaron in his car runs over me? We make those kind you're trying. We make those kinds of decisions every single day as humans. So we do risk management. And, yes, we're litigious. But if they can do it in Tybee Island and for other lighthouses, Wendover restored their tower. I don't know that it's open to the public, but it's been done. So we're not the first. But I do believe the first step that we need to take would be to put the tower on the historic register. Paperwork's already been done. I sent John the form, and and they require an agency letter. They don't care who the agency is, but they wanna know before they make this determination that somebody's, they wanna know before they make this determination that somebody's backing that particular play. And that's all done. And sad that we don't have a quorum because y'all can't make a decision today. But before, and it needs to happen because it now becomes it opens sources of funding that not on the historical register are not available to us. Once it's on the register, now we can apply to the state. We can apply to the feds. It becomes a much easier proposition to fix all those issues that we're looking at. And the community, is aviation minded. I mean, mister Maughan's lieutenant Mahn, who flew what was it? Coast to coast in the twenty four twelve hours. Is that what it was? Lieutenant Mahn in the army. I can't remember. His house is here in Logan. He's he he he did a thing that had never been done in aviation before. It's on Center Street. I'm sorry? It's on Center Street. Yes. There's a pillar there. Yes. We and he that honors his his aviation triumphs, I guess. I mean, I can't even imagine. The the hardware was not at all sophisticated, and navigation was where's the sun, and I'm going I'm going to flying back to California. I'm trying to do it all within daylight. So we've we've already supported and honored, mister Lieutenant Mahan. I think there's another aviation milestone that we have. But I Did we not? That we have. But I

Did we not did we not train pilots in World War one as well? Because there was a strip up at the university. There was. And they trained pilots in World War one as well.

That's amazing. I know Chuck Larson, who was one of my professors up on campus, told me stories all the time. I would get in my dad's cub, and I would fly from Tremont to Brigham City to Logan, land, walk to school, take all my classes, then get in my airplane, take off up there, and fly back. And so he commuted by airplane, and this is probably in the thirties. Before this airport was? Well, the airport was here, but there was also a strip up where, I think Where the Lobs Training Center is now. It used to be. Yeah. Yes. It's on my street. It's on your street. Rolls Street.

Yeah. And Well, you bought your house there. Right? Yeah.

But anyway So this county has been supportive of aviation for a long time. There was an airline that Logan's always been busy. I I been one of those guys. Of course, I don't fly anymore. I haven't flown for a while. I'm not current. But every time I see an Aggie airplane, I go, yes. Because these are guys that are helping our aviation community grow. And they will never forget that their training occurred in KLGU. I'm Scott's been here for a long time. His FBO is also contributing to the growth of violence on our air field. And our air field has a great history, and that history needs to be preserved in order to remind the folks that will come and fly of what their heritage in this valley for aviation was. So thank you for indulging me. I appreciate your attention. If you have any questions, I told John I will carry a shovel. I will do whatever I need to do to help move this forward. Now I'm literally just the guy off the street, but I'm willing to work because I think this is a really important issue regardless of the problems that the tower has. So thank you for your attention. Thank you. Any questions?

No. I just I would I I would have a question of you. So Ask your question. He said he would like to that we need a letter, and it can come from the airport authority board. Is that correct? Does that require us to vote on it? Because it I mean, it goes against what he says, but even with a historic designation, it could be torn down, but it would still be that it'd still have a historic designation. So we're not committing to keeping it. We're just committing to having it be having the application be reviewed for it to be a historic site. So that's my question to you. Do we need to have a quorum before we can do that?

Go ahead.

In order to send a message, that's not a decision. That's not a binding resolution, for example. So if you wanted to send a letter and you all wanted to sign it, that would be fine.

I'll do it. Because I would like to get that to get that ball rolling anyway. I'll I'll do it. Based on counsel.

To bring you up to date on some conversations that have been taking place regarding this, several years ago, a nonprofit entity was created for the purposes of sponsoring open houses at the airport. It's very likely that that entity or one like it would be a suitable, donee of the tower. And that would be the vehicle to receive donations and would create a veil of some separation from the airport authority board, if there is a concern with regards to liability and how it might reflect back on the city or county. Not finalized, but appears to be that that's a likely course we can take.

That's a they already have a five zero one c three status? Yes. They do. They're active? Yes. And do they have a board? Yes. Okay.

Thank you. That pretty well makes it legal.

Doesn't

it? Yep.

Yeah. I will get with Stewart. Janine will write a letter. I'll sign it. Whatever, she says goes

She's in charge of

it. Basically, it'll just be a transmittal letter of the forms that Stewart has already prepared requesting that it be considered for the historical registry.

Mister Hunsaker? Yes. Thank you for your impassion

and your

I I sense you you have a a strong interest in it. Did I read you right? Just a strange question. Is there a group out there that wants it gone? Have you heard anything from Oh, no.

I my my sense I talked to I talked to Lee and I talked to Jared Harris who just got here, and he was already halfway to chime in a hole behind the the taxiway behind his place digging up the water line. And I went in and asked permission to retrieve the the construction drawings. So I have those. I use a lot of that information when I did the the form that the historical society wants. Jared said, yeah. That's not a great He said, and he's leaving. Sounds like a good idea to me. I think if you take away the issue with USU, we don't wanna spend any money on it. We can't spend any money on it. I suspect if Aaron is able to set that aside, the idea of preserving the tower and using it as a view place for anyone who wants to show up would be an acceptable option. I don't think I'm pretty sure I don't want it torn down. I know Scott I don't know. Do you want it torn down? I'm gonna put you on the spot, though. Either way. Well, a 14 by 14 footprint is it? Mhmm. That's in in the space game out at the out at the airport, it's it's couldn't do anything with it. Well, actually, Aaron could. He could expand or tear down his terminal building and build a new hangar that would be 14 feet wider. So

Thank you. That's I appreciate that. Thank you.

So in in shorthand, there's there's no group of people working against the preservation.

Right. I agree. I don't think anybody's against nobody wants it torn out. I think there is logistics to it. I've in my learning about it, I've heard maybe if it is put on the historical list, it will limit what we can do with it. And I don't know the details of all that, but I have heard that once it's on the registry, that there is now I don't know. Can you turn it into an observation? So now we're kind of under there, those guidelines, which is just something that should be looked into. We don't own it. Can we apply for

the registry if we don't own it? We we own the land on which it sits.

And then the other thing, we turn it to an observation tower. I know it's a liability thing and trying to emotions and legality on your side, but somebody has to be responsible for who's in there, what they're doing, who's cleaning it, who's locking it, things like that. Well,

okay. I'm gonna say that we have to go one step at a time, just like we did before, because if there is a five zero one c three, my my, my, when I'm listening to John, I would conceptualize that that group would be in charge of who's there, when they're there, and all of the maintenance for that particular facility. So it would work, you know, you'd have doses that would come and, you know, man it on Saturdays and people could go up on Saturday or whenever. It would not be in my mind I think that we need to do one step at a time. Thank you. Any

other comments regarding the tower? Yes. Can I respond to that? I left out one thing and what I also want to do in the space here is convert some of that into a museum. That would chronicle the power and the airport within that history of our community. And the field at the university. Yes. Oh, yeah. That's it's no longer there, but one Bill Francis gave me a picture. It's a blown up picture and you can clearly see the the runway on that photograph. There's more than that. More than one. Oh, I'm sure. But it's it it and it was a complete surprise to me other than he was telling me the story. The other thing is is number one, the tower was built as an observation tower. When I was out at the airport, I contacted the gentleman in Logan City who was responsible at that point in time for access and how do you, you know, it's got a spiral staircase and how do you deal with that stuff. And he said, well, what do you wanna do? And it was like, you wanna turn it into an obstacle. People can go up there and watch airplanes. And after after several weeks, he said, well, you're you're not changing the purpose for which it was built. It was built originally to do exactly what you want to do with it. And he said, you don't have to make any changes at all. As long as it retains its structural integrity, basically has four walls. It looks like it does. It's got the it's within those within the construction, Okay.

Taylor, bring us up to date on your your favorite subject. And and I see that Logan City brought Union Pacific to its knees on its fourteenth North traffic light. Sort of. Yes. So,

as many of you are aware, the airport borders Pacific, Union Pacific property, and one of the airport's fences is on their property. So in 2001, the airport executed a lease for $15,000 for a period of twenty years to lease the property that the fence is on. And, recently, the lease ended in 2021, and Union Pacific, proposed a new lease of $60,000 per year. So a I can't believe that. A large increase, for the lease price. And, so that's beyond the airport's budget, and moving the fence is not feasible for FAA reasons. It would penetrate the, airspace, the runway protection zone, and, other elements like that. So moving the fence would be very, very expensive, and it would require not only the cost of a new fence, but also a full FAA review, so that's not super feasible as well. So, it's definitely in our interest to keep the fence on, Union Pacific property. And so, Judd Hill, a lot of these numbers come from him. He did a lot of great research on this. So in their lease proposal, Union Pacific, I'm not sure if, they just are going off of, you know, mistaken records or something, but, they claim that they own a larger parcel than they actually do. And, if I could just. I could just show you for a moment really quick.

Okay. So,

let's

see. So, as you can see right here, Here's the airport up above. And, here is the Union Pacific Railway.

The actual train track? That's correct.

This is Airport Road. So, this is oriented. West is the top. So, below that road, their right of way is actually larger. So, if you could just look at the parcels right here. Oregon Short Line Railroad. So, here, this large square, extending below, this is the airport's right of way. And, but above this road, their right of way is actually shorter.

Now wait a minute. Let's start. Where are we now?

So so we're oriented north south now. Okay. So this road, this is Airport Road.

Okay.

And this is the airport.

Right?

Correct. That's the end of the runway to localize. That's right. This is the end of the runway. Not Airport Road. That's beside that was 37 South or 37 North? Yes. Oh, now I'm really confused. 37 Okay. South and south. Of the airport. Oh,

Okay. South and south.

South is up. Okay. No. So north is up. We're we're north south now.

So north is up. No. I'm really confused. Because I can't read any of that anyways.

Let's go back to the other

the road vertical running up and down. Right. That road right there. So we're looking at now rotating 90 degrees. We're looking at this section right here in this next picture. Okay. If you see my cursor.

So Twenty five hundred north. Okay.

So flip 90 degrees. So if you can see I can see that now. Okay. I couldn't couldn't see it over there, because Yes. So this, this right of way here, you look at this parcel, it's significantly wider than this, this right of way. So, in Union Pacific's lease proposal, they reflect that this larger right of way, they reflect it along this entire border of the airport. And that's incorrect. And so, in the 2021 lease, we were, leasing, about 430 square feet. 430,000 square feet. About nine point close to 10 acres. But after looking at survey documents and looking at where their right of way actually is. So this is again the Oregon Short Line Railroad right here. And the boundaries called out on this survey that was recorded here in Cache County, their right of way is actually what's reflected here on our GIS. Their right of way is actually this compressed right of way rather than this larger one beneath or south of Airport Road. And so, taking that into account, we actually only would really need to lease a much smaller amount of territory, that would be 168,000 square feet. Because we would only need, instead of that, you know, needing to lease far into that larger right of way, since the right of way is so compressed, the fence is only 15 feet in in that smaller right of way. And so that 15 foot strip, 15 feet by 11,208 feet, That's that 168,000 square foot rectangle that we would need to lease from them. So it's a significantly decreased amount of property. So, so part of the reason why this, Union Pacific proposal for $61,000 per year, is particularly, outrageous, I would say, is so not only that decreased territory that we actually need to lease, but in the year 2000, the airport actually executed an avigation easement. And what that is is it's an agreement that the airport is purchasing all the airspace above a piece of land. And so all the airspace above their land is actually owned by us. So they can't build anything past a certain level. So that would significantly hinder any development, any industrial development or, I mean, possibly real, you know, residential property or anything like that. It was signed by Union Pacific? Yes. In the year 2000. This That was executed with the airport. And then last, another thing that's in our favor is that, the city of Logan has zoned the airport. Here's here's the airport zoning map. So, here's Logan proper and here we come up to the airport. So, Logan City has created an airport zone, which is a best practice encouraged by the F. A. L. Across the country to create zoning so that airports don't have problems with expansion encroaching into their air space. And they also amended their city code creating this overlay zone and requiring that permitted uses have to comply with the airport master plan. So, all that together, the navigation easement and the zoning changes, that would, it essentially ends all possibilities of development in this area. And so that significantly dampens the possible value of this land for anything other than just being open territory. You could graze cows there, possibly, but about the only feasible industrial use is its current use of just running trains along the track. No structures could be built there. So, Union Pacific, the reason why they made this valuation is because Logan City happily has had a lot of growth. We've had a lot of, industrial development in that area. So south of that territory where their right of way is much bigger, they have had a lot of increase in value in that property and they've been able to lease out that territory or get a lot of money from people who want to develop on that large right of way. So, but as we discussed, that's not very, that's not applicable to the territory that we're looking at here. The property is burdened by easements, it's burdened by zoning laws, and it's actually smaller than they initially estimated. So all that to say, we sent a lease proposal back to them. So the lease proposal is essentially the same as the one we had in 2001, but the price is for a $10,000 payment for a twenty year period. So, you know, you may ask at first, well, in '20, in 2001, we were paying $15,000 for a twenty year period. How is it possible that it's less now, even with inflation? The reason why is because if you take it on a square foot, you know, a square foot basis, we're actually leasing less property. So we're paying about two thirds of the money for about one fourth of the land. So, in the price per square foot, in the '20 in the 2001 lease, we were paying about 0.036, so about 3 and a half cents a square foot. And for a twenty year lease for $10,000 for this decreased area, it's 5.9¢ a a square foot. So nearly double the rate per square foot of the 2001 lease. But it just reflects the fact that we are leasing a decreased area of land. And so based on what we just discussed, the zoning map, the abigation easement, and the Logan City Code, we feel that it's a fair price in our initial return salvo to their proposal. That $10,000 it's a gain for them. It's a doubling, close to, of their rate for that per square foot, but it's just a decreased amount of property that we're leasing from them. And so, at this point, we're waiting to hear back from them. This negotiation will be ongoing, but it will be worth, it should be worthwhile for the airport board to determine what exactly their cost sensitivity is. So, dollars 10,000, I doubt that they'll take that number, right off the bat. That's not usually how negotiations go. They're they shoot us our top number. We lowball them as best we can in a supported way, but it's likely going to end up higher than that. And so, given the fact that the airport needs that fence there, and it would be extremely burdensome to move in, the airport board needs to figure out what exactly your top level that you're willing to pay is, so that we can figure out where we can negotiate within that boundary.

What was their per square foot?

The $61,000 per square foot, that, let me look. Okay. Yes. 2.8. $2.86 a square foot versus 3¢ a square foot that they had. Or no. For twenty years. Yeah. For the twenty year rate, it's 14¢ per square foot per year.

Versus The point Per year it was 1 tenth of 1p. Yes.

So for the twenty years, 3¢ a square foot for twenty years, or $2.86 for twenty years. So it's it's a monumental increase. It's so I don't think that they can support that, of how, of what valuation it would allow it to be that way. Unless they just press on the fact that we, they know for a fact we need the fence there, and that it would be extremely burdensome to move it, and then they'd know that we, they have us. How much would it cost to move the fence? Conservatively, a million dollars, and a lot of burden with the FAA regulations, to redo a lot of that. I'm not an expert on that, but I'm, that was a number that was thrown out to me, so.

Really? We did, I'm trying to think how we got to, I'd have to go back and look at those numbers. Yeah. It's because we would need,

the proper fence height that we need is like 10 feet high or something, and a 10 a 10 foot high fence engineered the correct way for that 11,000 foot span would be very, very expensive.

And that's right now, John, for about $25 a foot. And you can't move the fence you've got? The existing no. The it's wooden post. It's a wildlife fence. Wood post in the ground. Then it also comes into play with the reason the fence is in that location is because you have an IOS landing system, ground based IOS system. Right. That requires a significant amount of clearance on the left and the right of the runway. Got plenty of room on the west because that's all airport. But on the right, that fence the rest of your fence around the airport is eight feet tall. That stretch is actually only six feet tall because of the

Okay.

So we have a lot of leverage because we are able to show that that land is essentially worthless to them for any sort of development. Their trump card, for better or worse, is the fact that we must have that fence there. That's essentially non negotiable for us. We must have it there unless we want to undertake a large project, very expensive, and encounter a lot of regulation pressure from BFA. So, for those reasons, we need to figure out what exactly our top line number is that we're not willing to go beyond, where it would become worse for us than just moving the fence. I suspect that number is higher than you may think. And so, I would encourage you to think about that and discuss that, so that when we receive their return lease proposal, we'll know exactly where, what our, our levels

are. We're two years out. Right? The lease was That's correct. Uh-huh. 2021. Right. From month to month, whatever whatever that rate is. Have you had any interactions or just via email?

Email and one phone call.

How did the phone call go? Fine.

I interacted with a man named Rick Harris. He didn't seem particularly unfriendly. He he's just doing business. I suspect that Union Pacific is pushing down from above to try and extract as much value out of their real estate as they can. But I he he seemed to realize and he it's clear that the 61,000 per year is that's just something they start with. They're top I mean they shoot for the moon and if they come below that then it's higher than $10,000 every twenty years. So, but as far as my relationship with Rick Harris, he seems to be fine. I don't detect any

animus towards the county or anything. You just opened a negotiation. You have some interaction. Yes. Mhmm. Stonewall. I'm assuming Jason you'll just come up with the money. Whatever. Any issues? Anything? I have to crack into the piggy bank for that. So And I do have some contacts within the railroad. Okay. If it would be of any help to Okay. I'd be happy to

do what we could.

So that's, that's my report. That's, that's the state of our negotiation. We've sent our reply. And, when we hear from back from them, I I will be happy to report back. And in the meantime, consider carefully how much you're willing to spend to avoid moving the fence. So thank you.

Appreciate you following that for us. Any other items to bring before the diminished board?

My only quick 2¢ on that is I was advised to pay the past two years lease based on the last lease agreement, and we have come to an agreement to not pay that and wait for the new lease.

Yes. That's, that's something to bring up as well. So when they initially, the lease ended, Union Pacific said that they were going to consider us as a holdover tenant, and what that means is, the period the pay the amount of money that you're paying during the lease period is the same amount of money that you would continue to pay in the holdover period. So what that comes to for the $15,000 every twenty years was about $750 per year. That payment, for whatever reason, wasn't made, and then Jason was attempting to make it in January. But at that point, Union Pacific had already decided that they just wanted to move forward towards a negotiation. They'd no longer wanted to be in that holdover period. And so, they just said they were happy to backdate this new lease from when the previous lease term ended. So whatever lease we negotiate will have started in 2021, July 1. And so we'd have Depending on how long it takes.

How far we can kick the can down the road. Oh, maybe a long way. Aaron.

Our one of our groups up on the campus would like to try and do run the runway at the September

on ten to eight. They'll come and present it all, but they ask that just bring it forward so you guys would know that that's

And and typically, that's early in the morning. Early in the morning. Before anybody's even out there.

Yeah. Closed ten to eight for a couple hours, basically. Yes.

Yes. And and that's I need you the last runner and I get in about 09:30.

And that's the limit of our contribution. Right? Yep.

K. The rest would be provided and taken care of the bathrooms and everything else. Keep us aware of those dates. Anything

else? Scott, good to have you with us. Good to hear you. You're headed back to Salt Lake. When are you gonna live a normal life?

I'll put you this month. Next month. Hopefully, the end of this month. I'll play the end of this month. End of this month. Good.

Anything else? Appreciate the interest that you have in our airport that we all share. It is an asset to the community, and each of us, I know, feel that it is their personal asset as well. We'll be adjourned until we meet again.