04-25-2024 RAPZ Meeting

Ready? Yep. Okay. We'll go ahead and call this meeting to order then. We're about four minutes after the hour, and I just spoke with Catherine Buse. She's on her way to be here in a couple minutes, so she'll join us, but, just wanna welcome everybody, and thank you so much for helping us. We do have a couple of new members. Maybe we'll wait until Catherine gets here to do a a roll call and introduction, so she can meet everybody as well. In in the meantime, let's take a look at our agenda really quickly, and we do have a couple of things I want to mention on our agenda. So we're under under number two items of business is where we are formally on the agenda right now. But. We have we have on here listed lunch 11:30. We're having some food brought in. I think you all provided an order of what you wanted And the caterer who's bringing that in said they probably can't have it here cannot have it here by 11:30 might be closer to noon. So if you're all cut all okay with that will probably just keep working until the food gets here and then we'll break And maybe maybe that extra thirty minutes or so will allow us to wrap everything up. We'll see. It's possible in the past. We've gone a little bit past the lunch hour, but I think we're starting a little bit earlier this year than we have in the past. So maybe we'll be done the food gets here. So when that food does get here, we will take a recess to eat, and if we need to reconvene after that to wrap some things up, we'll come back in and and wrap it up. And when when we have lunch, you're you're welcome to bring your food here and eat it, or we can step into this conference room here, have it there. And I was also thinking since we're starting at eight and probably gonna go for a four hour block that probably around 10:00, we should we should probably take a break for a few minutes and let everybody stretch their legs and run to the restroom, grab a drink if you need to. So if we get if we get to 10:00 or if we get past 10:00 and and we haven't. Had a had a break. Somebody remind me. Let's make sure we take a break around that time. Of course, if if you need get up and and use the in the hall here, and the restrooms are right across the hall in in the middle of the hall here. If you need to help yourself, you can go out this door here if you'd like to. And I guess it is possible there could be some meetings in here later this morning, but I'm sure they wouldn't mind if you snuck through there. With that being said, are there any any questions or comments about the agenda? Then I I wanted to mention minutes as well. We don't have any minutes for approval from our last meeting because we approved them shortly after our last meeting by email. So that's that's what we will plan to do this time, and it it's good that we did that because we have several new members this time, and we plus, it's been a whole year, and who remembers what exactly happened last time. So we will we will have Alma send those out again after after this meeting, and we'll approve those by email this year as well. With that being said, are there any questions about any of those items? K. So just to review the rest of the agenda, item number three is where we will spend the bulk of our well, all of the rest of our time really today. We're gonna have Alma do a a brief overview of the RAPS program and process, and I know some of you have been through this several times before, but we've got a couple of you who are brand new. But just just as a very general overview, our role is to make a recommendation that we will send to the county council for final approval. And once again, I the work and volunteer effort that you're you're providing for us. We're we're paying you with some lunch, and that's about it. But but I I really just wanna express our gratitude to all of you for taking the time to review all of this stuff, and and to to go through today, and and help us to to to rank and recommend, the projects. So, with that being said, I was hoping Catherine would be here by now, but, she's not quite here yet. Let's, let's go to, Alma and have Alma do an overview for us. Okay.

So the general overview is this is a RAPS, restaurant, arts, parks, and zoo, tax program. And so in November 2002, the Cache County voters, this was on the ballot, approved a one tenth of 1% sales tax, and that's known as the RAPZ tax, r a p z. These funds are to support capital projects and operating expenses for publicly owned or operated recreation and park facilities and also the zoo. These funds can also be used to pay the operating expenses of nonprofit organizations that operate as a botanical or a cultural organization. That is on the ballot every ten years, and it was just recently approved again by the voters of Cache County. In '19 or since 1992, the Cache County Council has approved a 1% sales tax on prepared food items, and this is known as the restaurant tax. These funds can be used either for capital projects or maintenance by publicly owned or operated facilities, or for and for tourism. Some of the funds from the restaurant tax have been committed to four entities, three new municipalities, North Logan Hyde Park and Nibley, and also the ICE Arena. And then it's broken out, and I think in your books, you've you received this information. The RAPS tax, takes off 1.5% of the total revenue is taken for an administrative expense. The remaining is divided into cultural and botanical, and that's 40%, and then the parks and recreation receive 50. Cache County, and that's based on their population. And then 35% of that is, you know, awarded, on a competitive basis. And that's you've been reviewing these for the last six, seven weeks, and you've made some recommendations, some notes. And then we've come together today to meet, to discuss each of the applications and your recommended funding award. And we'll have a discussion, and you will decide what that will be. That recommendation will be. I have up on the the screens behind you or to the side of you. And I will this is also being recorded, and I'll put that so that they can exactly what's going on. I put in the requested amount in the column, and as you arrive at a decision, then I will put that in, and and we'll have a running total and and see where we're at as time goes on. Each of the applications were, evaluated on their eligibility, and the things that we look at are the funding categories, the expense type, and the primary purpose. And then it was determined whether they were eligible or not. And you have 77 applications before you, and only one was not eligible, but we will go through and discuss all of that. So, like Executive Zook said, after this meeting, I will put together some minutes. I will also put the recommendations and send them back out to you so that you can make sure that I haven't made any errors and that you you agree and you approve the minutes and the funding recommendations. And this all has to go to the Cache County Council, and they have to approve that by, the last meeting in May, their last council meeting in May. But I plan on, getting it to them, by the first, first one in May, so that they can have some discussions on that. Any questions? I know you've you've had a lot of reading, about 1,500 pages of reading. So we really appreciate everything that you do. I will be asking for for some feedback later on of the process. I always want to see if we can improve the or improve the process. So thank you very much. And I will turn it back over to you, and I guess you can kinda decide on how you want to proceed and go through.

Okay. Thank you, Alma. Does anyone have any questions for Alma?

Remind me if we don't if we, the Cali, does not allocate the money, is there a time period that the county can hold on to that or is it unlimited?

It is unlimited and usually the council, has liked a little bit. So the money that that is allocated or or is available for awarding, you don't have to ward all of it out. And in fact, they kinda like a little bit of a buffer. Any other questions?

Thank you very much, Alma. I appreciate the overview, and let's let's go ahead at this point and just do a roll call real quick. Mister Erickson, will you start?

Dave Erickson, Cache County Council.

Kathy Robinson, former councilman for our guest.

Catherine Hughes, Cache County Council.

Joe Needham, District 1.

Damon Kian representing Northeast District.

David Zuck, County Executive. Bruce Cook, Logan City.

Reed Baldwin, South End Of The Valley.

K. Thank you all for being here. Yeah. We I can't remember if you mentioned this, Alma, but the way that our our board is made up is we have a seat for the county executive and each of the council seats, and two of the council members can serve themselves to represent their district, and then in each of the districts where a council member is not serving, then a citizen represents each of those districts. So the five of you citizens are representing the other five council members who are not on this board. So With that being said, I think we're about ready to jump in. Catherine, I'll just mention for you real really quickly. We talked about the agenda. The food might not be here until closer to noon, so we'll plan to just work until the food gets here. And if we if we need to take a recess for lunch and reconvene, we'll do that. If we finish by then, that's fantastic. Also, we're planning to maybe take a break around 10:00.

Thanks.

And Sorry. Yes. Members of the audience, there is an agenda over there, and there's also a sign in sheet. If you could, if you haven't already, put your name on that sign up sheet.

Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Would you you like to sign in? And this is not a formal public hearing, however, we do appreciate those of you who are here in case we have questions, and if if you see that we're discussing your project and we're misunderstanding something, please feel free to raise your hand and we'll, we'd love to have your input to help us make sure we understand things correctly. And with with that being said, I think we are ready to start moving forward with this. With Derek, as as Alma said, we we can decide how we would like to go about this. We we could go about this different ways. We could just start at number one and go through. We could go according to rankings. What is the preference of the body as far as how we proceed and what what order we start

looking at projects. I think it might be easier if we just start with one and

Start with number one and go through? Go through it, yeah. Okay. I I agree. Those of us who have the paper book, which is almost everybody, that would make it a lot easier to flip through the binders if we went in order. So does anybody have any other thoughts about the order with which we proceed? K. Seeing seeing no other proposals, we will go ahead and move forward, starting with project number one, and I think, in mine, it's the blue binder at least. I think,

They are all the same. Okay.

So if we then open to project number one, it is from Amalgam Town, and I will entertain discussion.

Do you want to know what the the score is? So the score is why each of you were

go through or just go through it alphabetically?

In the past, we've used the score because we reviewed them in the order based on the score they got, but maybe if at the beginning of each one, if you just mentioned what their score was, that would be helpful. So did you say it just now what their score was on about 35? It was 35. K. I will entertain any suggestions or suggestions or recommendations on this one from the Malga town.

I'm

new here. If I may maybe bring up a question I had going through this process, and this is actually the right one to start with, in the sense that this is, you know, Amalgam, town, city, and they're putting in this new equipment. Pretty much amongst all the cities, I I saw a lot of equal and high quality requests for what they're doing. But some of them I found, they were requesting 80% of their project, and this one said 52%. The notes that I sent forward when I saw saw cities asking for monies, I'm like, how do you treat them all fairly? And I thought, well, really, there needs to be maybe a gram level that that's acceptable. And that it's like, well, you know, what's fair if we give one city 80%, another city 50%? We're saying that project's more valuable than the other. And so I just kind of on my notes, basically, it was a city, you know, park project. I just kind of, like, you know, give them 50% of the project and the rest of it will come from their own pockets. Is how I looked at it just to to say how we're gonna be, you know, more equal and fair. And so, like, this one, I like that it is a 52%, while others were requesting 80% of the project. And, so I guess going forward, I mean, again, like I said, I'm new here. I would I was wondering how do we level the filters? We say, you know, it's not you know, if you're worth 180% and the other one fifty, then then it kinda defeats the purpose. And so, like, this is a good one to start with. 52? That's pretty close to 50%. I'd say, yeah. Sure. Give it to them. But I I would question the ones that are 80% of the project on that same level. Or maybe we should give them ALGA. And I don't mind the percentage. It depends on what we have to give.

There were a few that are a 100%.

Yeah. Yeah. Kind of a buckshot approach.

There too. No skin in the game at all. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Exactly. So I kind of thought with those types of projects, if we just said, would it be 50%, 60%? And

you don't have to allocate the full amount. Yes. You know, you can do a partial to kind of, you know, see if they can come up with the rest, you know, some other way. When I went through sorry. When I went through the towns and cities,

my priority was public safety first. If it was a public safety issue, like, some of them had concrete problems or sidewalks that needed to be redone, that got a higher priority for me than just equipment for recreation, which is good too, but I'm with you. Especially on a couple of them at the end like Wellsville asking for a 100% for recreation facilities when I'm thinking, why don't they put something into it also? But one of their projects was this public safety one. It felt like that needed a higher priority, because that's one of the things that a county should do, is provide for the public safety, and some of those towns can't do it on their own. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. Totally. So it makes it difficult

you know, equitably. Well, I I think what you're saying is exactly what we should be doing. We should be looking at various factors, what their contributions are, what their needs are, and as well as how much have they gotten but what they're actually planning to do with it, how many people will be served. There are a variety of factors that that is the role of this body is to consider all of those, to weigh all of those, and to make a recommendation based on some some kind of calculation in our brain, taking all those things into account. And somehow we'll hit our butt at the end. Yeah. Yeah. And don't ever feel that

the decisions made here, you know, or should, they should not be condemning to your decisions. The people that'll take the responsibility for this is when you send it to the council. Yes. You know, just just don't feel like, you know, share your input and everything, but the people that really decide it will be at the county council. And they have the prerogative to change some additions, deletions, and things like that. So what you're saying is you're talking about that, you know, feel free, and I'm hoping the people that send in those applications don't come after you. You know, because you because of that comment you just said, I think that's a very justifiable comment. So I just hope that you're, you know, feel comforted that the bull's eye isn't that big on you. So we're good. So and with that in mind, personally, I I had this one full funded. Me too. Likewise.

Yeah. Okay. I the way we've done this in the past was we haven't we haven't necessarily taken a formal vote on on each of these. We'll we'll proceed using general consent unless there's something that that looks like it's really closer split split decision. So as we'll proceed, if it looks like there are a lot of head nods on something, then we'll write that down and move forward. But with that being said, if you have a different opinion, please speak up, and if you think if you think we need to consider something different or a different approach or different considerations, please feel free to to say that. So so the proposal then on this one is to fully fund their request. Anybody have any other thoughts on that? Hearing none, we'll write that down on our recommendation. K. One down, and how many more to go? Seven six. 77 more to go.

We we could go a little faster. Yeah. We will. Okay.

Number two, American Festival Chorus and Orchestra general operating support.

I got a score of 37.

K. So funds requested are 40,000. Their total total project budget is 475,000, so this is less than 10% that they're requesting.

Not 40,000, I think, for the last three or four years. So they're they're not gradually increasing like some of them do. They're 40,000, and so I go I would go ahead and recommend that we fund them the full 40,000.

We increased 10,000 last year, but, you know, to their request, but their request hasn't changed.

Yeah. It's the same that we funded them last year. Yeah. So we have a couple couple of suggestions for full funding on this one. Any other thoughts? K. Hearing none, we'll move forward with full funding recommendation on project number two. We will move on now to project number three, which is American West Heritage Center.

We have two applications, three and four. And their scores were 3735. 37 for number three and thirty five for number four. K. Thank you, Thelma, for pointing out that we have

two from the same applicant. I think I think that's a good thing for us to consider as we get to each one. If there is more than one request from them, we should look at those together. So we have we have project number three for American West Heritage Center operational support, and project number four, programming capital maintenance request.

First trip? For the recent years, we're doing the two of the accounts. Yeah. We

funded a we granted a 130,000. A year ago, we granted a 150,000. This year, we're asking for a 170,000 between the two requests. So they've gone up 20,000 a year.

Yes. I I I like the project. They serve a lot of people. It's a popular spot that and it scored well. Definitely deserves some good support. I have it at the same level of funding across the two as last year at a one, one ten for the operational and a 40 for.

I have

I would I After I went through and added up all my suggestions, I ended up with a whole bunch of extra. And so I actually am recommending that we fund them at the request this year, the 120 and 50 for a 170.

Same as last year. Right? No. This is I I went to $1.00 5 and 45.

I'm okay holding to to the suggestion that Damon

Yeah. I am too for now. For now. Again, if we're fine, then we have We'll put a check mark on that one, and we can come back later, because I know there's gonna be discussion on several more that's we which which might then tell us, yes. We are gonna have a bunch extra.

Yes. That's that's an excellent point. What we have done in the past is we'll go through this, and then if we have money left over, we'll go back and reevaluate some that maybe we didn't fund fully. So that is, I think, a good approach. So so, Damon, will you restate what your recommendation is? Mine was a 110,000

for operational and 40 for programming and maintenance.

Yeah.

K. So the the recommendation is to do that less less than full allocation at this point, but to mark this one and, Alma, if you'll help us keep track of the ones that we say we wanna come back to, we mark this one as one we wanna come back to it. If we do end up having money left over that we'll look at this one again. Is everybody okay with that process? Okay.

110,000. And

number four was? 40.

40.

Okay. Now that moves us to number five, Cash Children's Choir, seasonal support. They are score was 31. Their score was 31. Funds requested are 16,000. Their total project budget is 100 and almost 115,000.

I had 12,000 for where I I have been at. I have 10.

I want to go for full funding. I think anything that encourages our children and youth to stay in something positive. I gave all those children's organizations full funding because we'd rather have them doing that than on the streets causing trouble. I love it. That was my thought.

Well, they have a net balance at least at the end of their financial statement of $68,000 which is 75% of their annual budget.

Okay. I heard a a couple of different numbers. What is the what is the opinion of the body?

I I'm fine. Full funding. It's it.

I'm fine with that too, actually. I feel the same way about children's

Programs. It's not. I'm not getting hung up on anything about

that. You go sixteen and sixteen. Okay. Let's do 16 on that one. And that was us. To project number six, cash

recuse myself from this because I perform with this group, so I will stay out of the discussion. You play. I play French horn.

I have high score for this because I knew you were in it. Thank you. Me too. I had a comment to to change the French horn to be good enough.

Might as well. That got deep in that word of yours. What the heck? You've been there for twenty years or so, or how long you've been on that? Forty. Oh, that's amazing.

You've been playing with them for forty years? I've been playing with this group. Yeah. Wow. Awesome. I have seen you in a couple of parades. Yeah. During the summer, but during the winter, we do think concerts.

Awesome. Temp does Memorial Day once. Good to know.

Their total project budget is $14,000, and they're requesting $12,000.

The score was 28,

And it doesn't look like we've had any any allocations given to them in the last couple of years since 2021. So '22 and '23, it doesn't look like we gave them anything. Last year. Yeah. Nothing. The last time we funded them, we gave them 10,000 in 2021.

It's just getting expensive to house our bandwagon. We used to be able to have a free place to park it for the winter. We no longer have that. That was what they're mostly requesting. It's a big wagon. Needs a big space to store it for the winter.

Anyway At that score, it's hard for me to recommend full funding, But it's a cool group. They're they're they're they're out there in the parades and and those kinds of things contributing in terms of of of arts in the community. And so even though the score is a little on the lower side, I'd love to see still have some funding. I

The thing that bothered me about this application is that they want a $7,500 to commission

a special number. Oh, that's right.

They want to pay a composer, including travel, to compose something for their fiftieth anniversary,

and that Alma, will you remind us that this this is one that falls under the a in RAPS for arts? Correct. Will you remind us what this this split is as far as percentages of what we're supposed to spend in each category?

Let's see. Cultural and botanical is 40%.

K. So cultural should be 40%. And and do you have numbers, Alma, for how we've been how we've been ending up in relation to those percentages?

Like, to indicate our real allocations?

Yeah. Like like, historically, have we been sticking to that? Have we been meeting that 40% for cultural?

We we have. And we behind the scenes, I guess, we make sure that we do meet those allocations. So I know this spreadsheet might be a little hard to to see, but, as far as money allocated, it's a million and 89,307 is what's allocated to the cultural and botanical. Sometimes they will qualify in a couple of areas. So if they're both,

but we make sure that that's all balanced. You're you're saying that number is the amount that's being requested this year or what we allocated last year? We have when we take the total amount

and then divide it out into the percentages, that's the percentage that ends up in the cultural and botanical.

Okay. So we should be allocating say the number again?

Is a million it's 89. A million 89,380.

K. So just over a million of what we give out should go to cultural, which is the the arts Yes. In in wraps, we in the name wraps, we call it arts, but in the legislation is referred to as cultural and botanical.

Correct. And and in the past, we've always we we go ahead, and we go through and do our allocations, and then and then Alma says, well, okay. It's we can work some big percentage to come out of this one and this one, so he can do the balancing. Right. You know, so it's isn't bad that we kinda still look at it a little bit of a one pot of money, but,

you know, and then as we go through things, he can do the balance to a point. Right. To a point. Yeah. And we make sure that when when all is said and done, that we balance those percentages in each of the categories. Sometimes we have to move them around a little bit, but but then we let the council know where those come from. So it comes from either wraps or restaurant, and and we make sure that we meet those percentages. And so

funded this at 10,000 for now, and we end up finding the balance being off whack where we still have more money, we could then give the full funding still. I would recommend that we just do for the 10,000

and now I was sick of that one. We've got a long way to go. So we'll Yeah. See where we're at the end. Okay. We have a recommendation for 10,000 for now, but to check this one as as one that we might circle back to. Okay. K. Any other thoughts? K. Seeing none, we'll we'll proceed with 10,000 for now. And, mark that one as one to circle back to. And then that brings us to project number seven, which is the Logan Tabernacle interfaith And lecture. The score on a. Requested $5,850 for a total brought project budget almost 88,000.

I thought they're really consistent. So I just kept them $58.50.

All right. That's something that will funding for that one.

And maybe it's a good group. Project number eight.

Okay. This is the Cache County Fair and Rodeo. And

And they also have the did they submit the application for the cash flow cheese and dairy?

Yes. Well, it's So they're they're Monster. It's a little different.

So number 8910111213, 14, all fall under the Cache County Fair and Rodeo. But they are and if I may, Bart,

of those, I've ranked the Bear Gryphs projects, all kind of the the upkeep and maintenance projects together and ranked those separately. The Cheese and Dairy Festival, the Suicide awareness festival, and the county fair applications, I didn't rank against each other because they're all kind of a unique stand alone thing, community event. And

Okay. So we do have a group of these that are they're all from Cache County essentially. Well, even number 16 is for from Cache County, for trails. Number 17 is from Cache County. So we have a number that are Cache County. Number 18 is a Cache County. So all the way through number 18 are all from Cash County. But for a variety of different projects and services programs and some of them are are more related to perhaps restaurant tax funded activities. Some are more infrastructure programming events. So it's it's a variety of requests. So what is the the preference of the board as far as how we address these?

I I don't know if we could should go over the ranking of all of them, but I would, you know, at one point, but I, I do wonder what was the ranking overall for these categories.

We're done. So number number eight, which is the fair and rodeo enhancement, that was 37. The cheese and dairy festival is 35. Then the projects like maintenance or improvements, Storm water was 37. A sound improvement was 36. A generator a backup generator was 29. Function room sound improvements was 33. And then concert was 30.

K. Thank you. Those are all the ones for the fair and rodeo.

Yeah. Well well, thanks. I mean, for me, I actually I rank them probably on the highest of of most of mine, just because I was like, you know, this is all, you know, purposes for the whole county. And I, you know, I definitely believe in what we've got going down there as the fairgrounds and and and the services they provide. So I I did I guess I'm one who would help push it up. I'm like, that's important to me.

So you're recommending full funding for all of them?

I believe so, but that's actually where I work. Again, this is my first time going through this process. And I've been on Logan City's Arts Committee for years, but, we do the same thing. We're only handling $45,000 so it's pretty easy to go, I'll just say how much we got. Yeah. I can say full funding for all of them as long as people fill up in the in the budget at the end. Like, if there'd be cuts having to be made, maybe they have to be in some of these areas, but I would recommend full funding.

I have full funding for all of them except for the backup generator. That was the one of these I wanna I wanna share a few more. We'll talk about that one. Go ahead and finish your comment. So the the struggle I have on on that one is just, like like, what's the the the others I see capacity building. Like, there's things you can do at the fairgrounds if it's not flooding with stormwater that that that you can't do if it is. But the and to me, it's really an emergency situation improvement. I'd I'd say on that one, the go out for for emergency funds. It's

rather than than wraps funds for this side. Sorry for being a bit grouchy on that one, but I questioned that also, but we had a conversation before the meeting started with Dave, and I understand, I think now, would be helpful if you make Well,

Bart, we've had this conversation that the the cash event center, that area is basically established as a go to place in case of calamity. Big problems with earthquakes, power outages, and things like that. If they have to put a triage center, would it, you know, work out of there that's kind of an emergency center area. It's been dedicated for that. And that was kind of the biggest one of the biggest things of the backup generator, so that if there's power out anywhere else, providing services there, we could do that. And that was kind of one of the biggest reasons for that. Is there other places I believe Clark, that's what we isn't that what we talked about? Yeah. And and if I can add to that, and and to answer

your were not able to get that funding through the emergency processes, you know, through those federal, federal grants and agencies.

If I may, and are we sure that doesn't qualify for ARPA funding?

I'm I'm still looking into that. It's

I feel like that's better suited to come from. I mean, if that's one of those that I'd rather they slap our hands after and we just put it in ARPA. I mean, I am the legislative body. I that I can justify 100 putting into ARPA funding where we already have we can get that committed

in time for our ARPA funding request and not take it from our recreation and arts budget is my personal opinion. I agree. I think ARPA fundings are a perfect funding source, and I don't know if there's something in the in the tools that would preclude us from doing that, but that facility was used as a vaccination center. Yeah. We we

absolutely would use it again as a vaccination center if we needed to. Yeah. That's one that as I I I would

council even if we feel like it might be on the line that the council would take the the liability of that as ARPA because I feel a 100% I could justify

allocating that from ARPA. And there is a meeting tomorrow to discuss ARPA, and I've been focusing a lot on this. It has been on my mind. Mhmm. You can bring it up tomorrow on the appropriations. Have a discussion, and I can get some documentation as to for or against

so we can make a decision. And the council has the latitude to if we don't recommend this now, the council has a latitude to still fund this later if the ARPA funding doesn't work out. Yeah. So we'll bring that up in county council. That very thing after your discussion and everything. And

and somehow we can get it right. We'll get it right. Yeah. Yeah. Great discussion. Yeah.

So so Joe's recommendation was to fully fund all of these, but we've pulled this larger one out of that Yeah. For for

the generator. And and I I would second that recommendation.

Okay. So we have a couple of recommendations. I have one question on number 14 on the concert. The last time it was with the United the United Way. Right. So are are we back in sponsoring that specifically if Cache County's gonna sponsor that then? We are. What I thought we were trying to dovetail into an organization that specifically, you know, would would help us in that avenue, and then we can support that organization to inflate the efforts and make the dollar grow stronger

that way. That that certainly is the intention. United way back out this year. There's some changes in some leadership in the in the Suicide Awareness Coalition Uh-huh. Locally, and there wasn't enough time to really go that way this year

Yeah. Because I always think that the, the I think we are better to support organizations that would, again, you give them so much money, they can actually turn it into a lot more money because of, you know, of their connections in the in the community and their purpose, rather than just county government. And so, if it's an interim theme, you know, that's that's great, but let's make sure that we are supporting the organizations themselves rather than we don't want to grow government any bigger than it is. Agreed. So

Excellent point, Dave. I agree with you a thousand percent. Are there any other mental health

associations or groups that would be interested in joining in that to

just, I mean, was it only United Way they were the only ones sponsoring that? They were the ones that were willing to step up and do that last year. Yeah. It it's you know, it's it's the funding and and running the finances and and there's several, issues that Yeah. Some of those businesses may be willing to do that.

Well, NAMI certainly has a lot of backing, and there are some other groups that probably would be able to if they were given the invitation or

the band aid, I should I say. And they are all part of this Uh-huh. This event, and also the suicide awareness coalition,

a lot of them. That that's an ongoing discussion, and certainly we're trying to hand that off to our partners. Partners. Seems like that coalition would be able to take that over.

Yeah. Yeah. They're they're working on that. Hopefully, that'll be the case by next year's. So, Joe, could I ask you one clarification? You you you recommended fully funding all of those. We pulled the the the invader out. But how far were you going with with that recommendation up to up through which number? I think of 15. Up Oh, 14 is it? Or Yeah. 15. Through 14 is your motion? Because 14. Sorry. 14. Yeah. Yes. Yes. K. Yes. Through 14. Okay. So with that being said, then let's move to number 15, which is also from the county, but these are from the trails department. So and we have how many of those? Fifteen, sixteen, 17, or 18? Yes. Fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen are Cache County Trails projects. What is the

What's the ranking that you have on that? So can I ask a clarification?

Yeah. So you you were fully funding all of the fairgrounds except number 12 for the the generator, but fully fund all of the others? Yes. Yes.

Okay. Alma, what were the scores on For the trails? Fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen.

15 was 32. 16 was 29. 17 was 31, and 18 was 30 or 27.

Well, I'd I'd say there again. I maybe I was the one who was pushing those ones up. I can see their scoring is not as high as the fairgrounds, but I I definitely believe in the trail systems throughout Cache County. It's a critical infrastructure that I don't think should be ignored to do it before we can get it done. I think it benefits multiple communities at the same time.

I just had a question on sixteen. They're asking for a consultant job. I was wondering, wouldn't that be more under the job of the trails coordinator? Or, I mean, do they have to have somebody extra to come in and add to that if the trails coordinator I thought he was already acting as the consultant to the various cities and I'm I was just confused as to why they needed another.

Don't

know what we're on the meeting, and I I think I don't even have 11:00 at this point. Oh, please do.

Alan, will you introduce yourself? Oh, yeah. Sorry. Alan Lewis, North Logan City. We're just one of the We're hopeful that this that will continue. Which segment did you say? The what? Which one is the highest use? From the Bottom shoreline trail from Logan to Logan Canyon to Greene Canyon is the highest use trail in Cache County right now. We

No. That's okay. That clarifies.

Yep. Thank you very much, Alan. Who's speaking to? 16. 16. Okay. This is something we've seen from the the trails group in the past where they'll be looking for funds for, for a planning phase from RAPS, and then they'll be able to get like, construction of the trail, they'll they'll often do with volunteers or other kinds of things. And by putting a little bit of money in on the, on the the planning design layout study phase, they're able to then leverage lots of other resources to to see this happen. For for the the future, I would love it if the trails people could report back to to our group on how effective that strategy is working, but but it seems like a very reasonable

Yeah. I recommended that I recommend that we fund all four of these projects at the request.

K. We have a recommendation to fully fund these four trail projects. Any other ideas? No.

I'm not I'm not a big fan of putting so much money into feasibility studies and things like that. Thank you. Because I this money, I I still am a believer that it is best spent with boots on the ground projects. Get them ready, then get the money in it. You know, because we can study the whole world and find out maybe, you know, we just spent a whole bunch of money just studying. And I'm hoping, I'm hoping those communities would do the investment of the studies. And and then this money comes in to help support all that.

When we first started the trails four or five years ago, we were getting requests. I was one of the ones that was way opposed. Yeah. But I think that they've convinced me over the last few years

and swayed me the other direction. Sorry. I'm not going to add just to as being brought up the the cost and the boots on the ground. That's why we've been able to install smaller segments of this. We get into areas I

won't get in the way. I just wanna wanna just reiterate, because we got some others coming later that, again, are just study, study, studies, and I'm going I don't think that's why she's a pack a taxpayer in investment money. You know, it needs they it's I think they need to put in this on the ground things. So

Thank you, Alan, for the input, and thanks for being here to help us with that. So we have a recommendation to fully fund those four trail projects, and haven't seen any other proposals. So we will move forward to our next project, which is number 17. Oh, yeah. We did seven. We did seventeen, eighteen, sorry. Yes. Eighteen and eighteen and we're on 19 Cash daughters of Utah. Cash daughters of Utah Pioneers Museum operating expenses, and their score was 32. 32. And they're asking for 8,000 out of their $25,000

total budget. I move to fully fund the budget. K.

I agree. I'll

I'll accept that with the with an encouragement to move to the American West Heritage Centers to get more exposure.

I don't know. My mom brings my kids here every single summer. I mean, this is like a highlight to go with grandma to the museum, and it I love it. I look at that. I

thousands of people that would actually go see that facility and see everything that they do. It would be a good fit. Man, out there. I just I look at that and go, that would be a amazing

draw for a lot of people out there. Is there any is there any reason why they don't? Has anybody suggested it before?

Yeah. I was gonna say, has that come up between the two groups?

I'm not gonna say anymore.

Okay. We have a recommendation for full funding on number 19, and I think we can find that takes us to number 20. Help them do that. I think it's a great community program for cash polo, and their score was Per 20 They're not eligible. Is not eligible. Yes. Thank you for reminding me.

They're a nonprofit. And just as a reminder, nonprofits have to be either botanical or a cultural organization, or a nonprofit can use it for a tourism promotion,

and that's why they're not eligible. Okay. So we will skip past that one to number 21, Beavercreek Lodge Trails Cash Trails Alliance, and their score was 32. 32. And their funds requested were 18,451. Total project budget is 18,451. Yeah.

I I have some some stress on this one even though I generally like the trail stuff. One is, do do we have a guarantee of perpetual access to the trails where they're on private land? Mhmm. And and the 100% funding, I I I don't know, I I I I I would really want some assurances on perpetual access to the land before we invest public dollars in in, in in planning or constructing those trails.

The other thing with the Beaver Creek property is that and there it sounds like when you read it that they're really trying to give us a good break, if you will, type thing. But Beaver Creek Beaver Creek Quahaj sits on their property, and so all these public trails that go there, it's gonna be a benefit to Beavercreek. Yeah. It seems too commercialized. Well, I think it's one of those on their part who would go ahead and volunteer to give us access to there.

So it sounds like there's a recommendation that there be some more discussions and maybe clarifications and even possibly some written agreements Mhmm. In relation to this one before there's funding?

Okay. It looks like So the sorry. The owner is willing to open his property for the free public access, and he's just asking for help to get the trails safe is what I understood. I would and

even how do you is that something you could record as an as an easement or something on a deed? Because what if this person sells the property and the next owner decides says, hey. Why are all these people coming onto my land to to use these trails? This is our spot. I I I I I don't want to necessarily shut the door on public private partnerships for trails. I think there's some potential there, But but you just there there's a lot more detailed work that needs to go into this in my opinion. I I totally respect if the if the group wants to go a different way. But I I in my opinion, there's more work that needs to go. It's easier to work with a private landowner than to go through the NEPA process, heaven forbid. But but we have to have have the right assurances. So I I I would consider this in a future year if the right setup could be made, but I'm really hesitant, under the circumstances.

Okay. It sounds like, more than the majority of the board wants to hold off on this one, so we will move on then to project number 22, 23, and 24. It looks like those three are Cache Valley Center for the Arts, and we have Wade Hess on here, who's the director in case there are any questions. And, ALMA scores, 122, twenty three, and twenty four? The scores in that order,

starting with 20 two is 37. The next one is 35, and then 37.

Those are good scores.

K. What is the preference of the board?

I recommend fully funding.

Second that. Okay. We have two board members recommending full funding for all three of these projects. Any other ideas? K. Hearing none, we will recommend full funding for all three of those, which brings us then to project number 26, Ash Valley Civic Ballet, and their score

25 is the commerce.

Okay. Number 25, the score is 34. And this is for the summer citizens program.

We better fund it, guys. If you don't fund it, we won't have any money to speak. Oh, not rats, honey. Let's fund it. Actually, yeah, I I think that should be fully funded. You're quite aware that transferring from Utah State support Right. To now them, and I think to help them in this transition that is and that they were kind of caught a little underwears and didn't have a lot of time so I need to get them support to keep this going. Yeah, I appreciate the chamber stepping up. Yeah,

maybe I should mention I am on the board of directors for the Chamber of But I appreciate the the Chamber stepping up into this role to make sure this program survives. Maybe you guys are all aware of the history, but

it moved here in the first place when the Teton Dam broke and caused damage up north. And that's how the program came to Utah Utah first with Logan in the first time. So kind of interesting. 1976.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So what is the relationship between USU? I mean, are we still are they still offered housing?

Yes. However, they, they're not as excited about that anymore. USU or the citizen? USU is not as excited about housing the summer citizens because USU has transitioned to many more priority.

Citizens

may not be potential students.

Yeah.

Let's let like, can be used like FSY things. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. Programs such as FSY are are using housing, and that is a higher priority for the university. However, the the primary transition that happened was the university staff managing the summer citizens program, and they felt like that wasn't or shouldn't be their role to to manage that program, and they have they they met with a number of community leaders over the past year and said we want to get out of this. We'd like someone else to take this over, and the Chamber of Commerce was the only community group that stepped up and said we will take this on. I think it makes the most sense with them, though, too. Yeah. It does. I think it makes a lot of sense with them, and and this is a multimillion dollar impact to our economy in the summertime. I've heard numbers in the 4 and a half million dollar range, as far as and there have been formal economic impact studies done for this on the summer citizens, so these these numbers are not just made up, but, I heard a couple of people say recommending full funding. It's a portion, I think it was about, what was it, 60,000 of a $200,000 budget, and if there are no other recommendations, then we'll move on to 26, which LA, and their score was

32. 32,

and they are requesting 35,000 out of their $120,000 budget.

Just doing creative and positive things in their life instead of anyway, I'm just offering anything that

helps because I I have a partial, a good project, did pretty well, but I I and that's I hear, Kathy, what you're saying, and and it's one where I might I might feel a little more cautious, total respect, if we'd want to go fully at this point, but maybe maybe one to check off as as circling back at the end if we've got extra funds, but but

I'm I'm okay either way. I would recommend partial. If you look at their financial statements year over year, they increased their Yeah. Net assets by a $125,000.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. $125,000.

So we fund them. We're funding them. Yes. I I know financially they do

quite well. And, the one thing I would wonder is, are they inviting children of, low, moderate income that that could participate better if if, you know, the the the I see them as, they just charge their rates and some don't really get to go that would benefit

from it. But yeah. I have them at 20,000. That's I I I was spending at 20. I put 15. 15? Yeah. I go with 20.

K. I'm here in 3 twenties. Okay. 20 is the recommendation on that one, and we will move then to number 27, which is the Cache Valley cowboy rendezvous. Their score was

Or was 33.

33. And their request is for $18,000 of their almost $100,000 budget.

Yeah. I think Okay. Because I think they do a great job, and I would be in favor of funding them for the full amount.

K. We have a recommendation or a suggestion for full funding on that. Any other thoughts from the board?

Okay. I was shocked

at how many out of towners out of towners that come into that. I you know, you talk to a lot of the people that are there, and I'm I'm there from all over. Yeah. You know, Arizona, California. I mean, they're coming to to that little, you know, that event. It's pretty I was shocked, but I'm also in favor of the full funding. It has it has a big draw.

Yeah. Kind of as a side note, Craig Jessop. Y'all know who Craig is. Yeah. I actually asked him what you did. Came out and conducted the music on the the Sunday. Cowboy Sunday, they call it. Cowboy church. Cowboy church. Yeah.

That's pretty awesome. The amount that I see there, they also go to all the high schools, all schools all over not high school. Yeah. High schools too, but they they're they go to all those schools and just I was shocked with the,

you know, the amount of volume of things that they're doing. So Yeah. Great program. Outreach. K. So we have a recommendation for full funding on that one, which takes us then to number 28, Cache Valley Cruising Association.

Their score was Their score was

Their score was 37.

37.

I move for full funding. Second.

They Go ahead, please. You're gonna say the same thing I did. Yes, it wasn't their financial statements. They

their cash It's like $174,000 on the previous financials at the end of this year. Their

net assets doubled this last year from 80,000 to 176.

Historically, we've funded them at 30,000 about. Last year, we gave them 35.

I would recommend a 35 is what I I have them at 35 also.

I initially had them at 40, but, you know, the full funding, I'm also in favor of that too because that that's another huge drop. It brings a lot. Huge drop. Yep. This is Wraps. Big deal. Potentially. Okay. And, you know, the as far as their balance sheet, you know, some of these is just due to some tangible assets that they have also, you know, increased in their bank accounts. You know, they're they're getting more people in. People are you know, if you compare from the a couple previous years with COVID and all that stuff, you know, where everything just would take a big dip, and now all of a sudden everyone's happy to get out to everything. So

Dave, that's not right. Their cash increased was 76,000 two years ago, and it increased to a 174,000. That's a number of $500.

Yeah. Cash. Okay. I I heard several different numbers thrown out there, ranging from 35 to full funding. What is the preference of the board.

I think they'd be more than happy with the 35. I think the majority is saying 35. 35? Okay. Okay. Sounds like 35 is

our recommendation, which takes us then to number 29, Cache Valley gardeners market, and their score was

their score was 30. 30. Okay.

And, their total project budget is 34,000, and they're asking for 7,300.

Can I ask a really simple question? When let's say there's food trucks that are coming to or the if in this case, we have the the farmer's market here. When their point of sale, does that have this already calculated into it so it is like, how how are they how are they getting Is the food truck collecting

Yes. The tax for this? Yes. Yes. They are. Yes. Okay. And and we know that how?

The

the state takes care of that, the state tax Okay. And they're

through their sales tax permit, it's all supposed to be built in based on their location. That's probably on the food trucks. Maybe the other food being sold, maybe, by question mark. Yeah. That's true. The other food, we might not know. But the food trucks, I guess anything that probably has a point of sale. They don't have a license,

to operate. They couldn't. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. It it I think it is a good question, though. If they're a food truck and they're in Logan one day and another city another day, are they adjusting the sales tax? Because it's not exactly the same in every city.

Well, that and a lot of food trucks, they they will go to certain cities that are more friendly in those kind of things too because people will

you know, where they're at and It seems like it's kind of a sophisticated thing that that they might not be aware of, but maybe it's

Yeah. Yeah. That's a good question. I I think

Or Logan's friendlier on their text and, you know, Logan is. And so you sometimes see a lot of food trucks out there in the IFA parking lot. It's a crazy, you know. Somewhere in my I'm not the only reason, but I'm saying that is that, you know, you talk to them and they they say, yeah, they're able to they you know, the prices are the same and they actually then keep it a few dollars more.

Somewhere in my head, but I'm not certain of this, I I remember they they may have a physical address for their place of business in some place, and the tax may be based not on where the truck is parked when they're making the sale, but rather where their their their base of business is. I'm not not certain of that. Yeah. That's a good point. But if the base of business is in, say, Weber County or Box Elder Yeah. Then Cash may not it it would be worth looking into to see if Yeah. Most of our vendors, I think, at this at this market are Yeah. From Cache Valley. Most here are from Cache Valley, but the fairgrounds draws vendors from other areas. Yeah. Ellen may have Just corn dog. Yes. Yeah. Exactly.

And the creperie one. So Yeah. Yeah. Tell me Well, it's a very good question Also, them are using something like Venmo, which should have location capabilities on it. Yeah. I mean yeah. And if you're looking at things like sorry. This is where I'm calling about, like, Airbnbs, they aren't based off of anything other than just that ZIP code or Which is sometimes a problem for cities that share ZIP codes.

Yeah. You know, there is a huge discussion with with the Utah Association of Counties at times. You know, if all these different even just, like, for example, convenience store that has a little kind of mini restaurant kind of thing in there. You know? There's it's been a huge and they are always every year, it seems like they try to fine tune things in the legislative process, but sometimes they don't.

Okay. So we have a request before us for just $7,300.

We gave them 4,000 last year. Year. Yeah. We gave them 4,000

And last year and the year before. And of the 4,000 we gave them last year, $922 they have not spent. So my recommendation is why we give them 3,000 this year. Right in their application, they said. Yeah. They have $9.12 or something like that, right? The market utilized all but $922 of the 4,000 we were awarded last year. The remainder will be utilized for advertising the opening market for this year. So they kept 900 So they kept 900 to Last year to carry over? To kick off this year. And they want $7,500.

But they only spent 3,000 a year ago. I know I've I've talked with him, and the chair of that, and he said that they that's it is planned to spend that, and that he also said that the expenses are also just expenses to even come here and do things are starting to go up dramatically. Right. Expense. So they're they're kind of predicting also what they'll be having to spend for the entire year and so forth. But we have a recommendation for 3,000. Are there any alternative recommendations? I was gonna keep them at least at four. So I was thinking of the same thing that we did last year for them. 4. 4,000.

Okay. Alright. Sounds like 4,000 then for the Cache Valley Gardener market. And that brings us then to project number 30, which is the Cache Valley men's chorus, and their score was 30. They asked for a thousand dollars. A gym. Full amount. Okay. We have recommendation for full.

Yep.

Okay. We'll then move to 31, which is the Cache Valley Rec Center. Feasibility. Their score was 30. 30. And, their total project budget is 300,000 and there's a request for 250,000. The mayor of North Logan here. Are you here to be able to speak on that? If there are questions, they thank you. What is the preference of the board on this one?

Just a side note is they have a in their backup. What's that? They have, I think, five or six of the mayors supporting it. Yes.

Yes. I am really leery of multiple entity ownership of indoor recreation facilities. We all should have learned our lesson from the ICE Arena. And when entities pull out and then the other people are left to pick up the ball, I think this has just not been clarified enough to

make this. Well, and I think they're not necessarily recommending that. What they are saying is they'd like to study and figure out if that's a good idea or how it might be structured. But the end result would be a multiple entity ownership. Or or is I don't think that's So yeah. But I think Clarify for me, please. We're contemplating

is

And and Logan City's, you know, backing away from the current also two party agreement. I think this would be a whole county project if it were to get funded. I mean, well, that's the study first, and then it's figuring out where to go from there. And I I I think we go nowhere for the benefit of what could this do for the community unless we fund this.

I I couldn't agree more. If there is one thing that my constituents consistently talk to me about, it is indoor recreation facility.

I'm one of those get it. Let Nipley City get it. Let the Logan City get it. If all these entities, if they want to do it, I'm just sitting there go, then do it.

Well, so I think, Steve, to think to that point, the issue that we run into is that one way we could create this facility that is just for our residents. That is going to look very different than a facility that brings in I And, you know, I think we need to move away from that kind of isolationist thinking that we're going to just do this. It's inefficient and it's not fair to the entities that actually host it. And it's also a county wide. Not fair to a lot of other places that we'll not be servicing or going to those We're already servicing a lot of those other places. And

We already are. Anyway, that's why I'm not Okay. I'm I'm and that's also to me, I am not again, I will reiterate I'm not in favor

of paying that much money to do a study. It's just let the entities get together, let them do the study, and get it put together. So Okay. Alan, you had a comment? Just one point along those same lines. I think we're gonna get a point about other community nonprofits.

What are the seven you see you have seven cities, seven mayors?

They're listed. I'm Yeah. In in the binder, if you look right behind, there's a letter of support from River Heights, from Millville from Logan City from Nibley City Providence and Hiram.

North Logan as well.

And this isn't as I understand the proposal, the proposal isn't a proposal to build a rec facility in a particular city or for a particular city. So it's not about what numbers that Smithfield versus Nibley versus Hiram or anyone else is doing. It's saying, hey, is there an opportunity for cities to come together and with with county participation as well to do something that that would that would support? I think that makes a lot of sense. I mean, people don't people don't pay a lot of attention to municipal boundaries when they're deciding, should I go to Logan's Swimming Pool this summer? Oh, wait. I live in North Logan. I can't can't go. So I think in the same way that the private people don't usually think hard about what city of private businesses in, they're just looking for the recreational opportunities. I I I think it's fair to have a discussion about amount of funding and and and what the right level of funding is for this. So, personally, I would love to see some funding opportunity for for this project.

Okay. What would you consider or what would we consider the amount that you'd suggest?

That's a good question. I listed it at two thirty. How much? $2,230,000.

I'll second, Damon. Well, the question I'd have is, since they're asking for 200 and that leaves, 50,000 that's, I guess, that's on the project. Where's that money coming from? Is that from each city? From each branch. Yeah. So you're you're stepping up money yourselves.

So the plan is whatever money comes from wraps, if if if and when or when a proposal is actually awarded, if the if there's a difference between the RAPS award and what the cost is, the cities will kick in the rest. Yeah. I believe Logan, North Logan, and then we've all expressed a willingness to

to fund that, to supplement that. You don't

you don't have an actual proposal yet, so you don't have an exact number yet.

In the application, they referred to an RFP from a Utah community. Do we know who that was?

Nibley.

Nibley. Together. An RFP is that they're in the same boat of just trying to figure this out. And then they put together one of their repairs range

Well, that's what they said. They say up to the 300,000. They don't mention the lower number. How much did you say it was? So just for one community, it was 60,000 to 300,000.

How how far how far does this does a I I I can imagine a $10,000 study that gets you very little specific knowledge of what to You know, how far does this scope of study actually get you down the road? Like, if the report's a five pager that says, hey. It looks like people would like to have a recreational facility. I will bid on that one. One. But I suspect that what you guys have in mind gets gets things further down the road. I wonder if you could clarify what what what Scope of work. What the scope of the study would be so the board can have a better sense of of what would come out of that. But we're really just guessing up to 300,000,

aren't we?

Yeah. I think there is some element of We're guessing. Projection.

It's based on what one community of how many thousand At 8,000. 8,000 is versus, you know, the entire county. And so I think we're

Yeah. And and realistically, whether we have one or whether we have two facilities. So it's a pretty broad scope in my view. We've already drafted that RFP, but, obviously, we haven't submitted that. We haven't published that.

Okay. Yes. I would suggest based on get the general feeling that we'd like to give them something, but I'd say no more than 60,000 to begin with.

We we can't do it with 60,000. If Nipley said we can't do it with 60,000. What's that? That was for an 8,000 community 8,000, and they rejected that one because it wasn't

Yeah. This is actually this whatever is built would be something that would definitely have a a regional draw.

Yeah. Okay. So there's a a recommendation for 60. I heard another one for 02:30, and, Catherine, and, Catherine, you seconded that one for 02:30. I'm into the 02:30 as well. You're leaning into 02:30 as well. Any other thoughts on this?

I'm not happy with it. Yeah. Well, I I just I hate the the cost of studies that I would say. I know. But We have to studies that always go. I know.

But We have to start somewhere.

I think well, I when I look at our library systems, I kinda think we've made mistakes all across the history of Cache Valley as soon as it was no longer being ran by the county. And every city's got their own library and, yes, where does the line draw? Who can go where? This is an opportunity to not make that mistake in our rec area as a as a as a valley. And so I for that reason, I said, you know, let's move forward. If we can unify on this, I think is a great thing. Let me make a third proposal.

There are how many letters? Seven? Mhmm. So we asked each of the seven communities to fund 20,000 apiece. That would be a 140,000. Eight, you said did you say eight, Catherine?

If we include North Logan.

Eight. 20,000 would be a 160.

We'd fund the 140

to get them up. I don't know. Let's rather do it by community size too because, like, Logan says you pay more. That's disparate. Yeah. That's disparately.

Yeah. I mean, Millville couldn't.

That's a huge chunk of their budget versus North Logan. I mean, I I'd lean more towards that if it was equitable to each city's size, not not just a broad. And I I guess, actually, it'd be up to you guys how you come up with your money in the end? We just we'll give you some of it. Maybe enough to get it done. Okay. I still need to do 30.

Okay. 230,000. We maybe this is one where we should do a vote. It sounds like we're we're kind of split on it. So we have a a motion and a second for 230,000, a motion from Joe and a second from Catherine for 230,000. Let's just go ahead and vote on that one. All in all in favor of that one, I guess, just raise your hand if you're in favor of that. K. That's four. It's kind of interesting. We have a group that an even numbered group here. And we need to add one more person to have a a tie breaker. Okay. I'll oppose to that. Okay. So we have a tie on that, so I'll entertain another proposal because I'll I'll rule that that does not pass. If we drop to 200,000,

would that for 200,000.

Right. Okay.

Okay. I I see plenty of head nods for 200,000 then, so we'll make that our recommendation. 200,000. Thank you very much.

I mean as a group I know it will probably come to the council, but I think as a group would really be interested to see the feasibility study because. I imagine this would be applications for further wraps funding. To whatever the results are. That.

That might have been one of our most difficult ones. Hopefully it was our most difficult one of everything else is. Smooth sailing from here on Let's try the next one project number 32. Cash youth orchestra general operating support. 29. They're asking for $3,000 out of their $57,000 budget.

There's a part of me that could parse, you know, whether it should be 50% support, but at that point, the amount of money is the the the differences to our budget are so negligible. I'd recommend just funding the full thing at 3,000. I second.

Funding any thoughts otherwise. That's our recommendation. Will funding percent brings us to project number 33. Well, the River Blue Trail. I have ramp construction at Ronda, the park and track from Logan City. And I guess while we're at it, we've got. Number three thirty four are both from Logan City. And number 34 is for Logan Outdoor Recreation Complex exterior trails and 200. That is a request for $330,000 Of a 670,038 the highest we've had so far? Yeah. I think so. I believe it is. And you said 34 is 34? Yes. K.

Given the score this one where you drop the kayaks? Oh, yeah. Try to help you. Given the score, I have a hard time not recommending full funding for the

of

funding. They are the second highest score of 38. Number 33 had 38. The highest score was Utah,

which is your last one, and they had a score of 39.

So Which is, yeah, which is basically automatic. So okay. So, I hear a recommendation for full funding on number 33. I agree. Mhmm. I agree. K. Hearing no other, no opinions. Otherwise, that'll be our recommendation on number 33. Full funding. That brings us to number 34.

I did I suggest full funding there as well. The reason that I justified that is I look back at what our what they've requested in the past what we've given them. To 2023, we gave them four seventy five. 2022, three 400, three ninety nine. In 2021, April. The total of these is 4.74.

Projects. So funding full funding is your recommendation for project 34. Okay. The other opinions. Sounds like a recommendation. This park. Which one? It's

down by the West. Is it? Yeah.

Oh. This is Southside. They're redeveloping and doing all of that. Yeah. They're redeveloping and doing all of that. Yeah. A major feature. Major. They're gonna redo that. They're starting with parking lot.

They wanna connect it with the disc golf course. Yeah. They're adding the disc golf course there too.

Okay. Yeah. It'll be a Far, far west. Path far west. Got you. Okay. It's actually the landfill. It's Yep. That's the whole future area.

They have a master plan to redo the whole landfill area, reclaim it essentially into park a biking path around the landfills.

The trail is a really interesting park.

Okay. So full funding on both Logan projects, that brings us to project number 35 For diapers. Clarkston Town, and this is their only one, number 35. And, their score on number 35 was 35. 35. Got 35.

They have not received anything since 2020.

Oh, I think that's merits. I think we should fund them. Yeah. Full funding? Okay. And they're putting up to, you know, a third

spot. Where, you know, again, you're the big chunk of the project, they're they're taking responsibility for a lot of themselves.

They are. We just finished one whole binder. Yeah. Woo hoo. Binder.

We might need

yeah. Yeah. We're making really good progress. Anybody need to take a break yet? Yeah.

Okay.

Let's let's recess. $1

done. $1 done. Onto the next.

K. Okay. Thank you, Alma. I will I will call our meeting back to order at 09:53. We took a short recess, and we are reconvened as the RAPS restaurant tax board. And we're done with our first binder about halfway through, and that brings us to project number 36. So before we jump into this, just want to pause and see if any board members have any concerns or questions that how things are going so far. Everybody okay with the process and how we're doing this. All right. Yeah. I think this moving pretty smoothly. And. And I spoke on the break and we fully fund everything that's in the second binder. We're going to be over half 1,000,000 short. So we we can't continue to be as generous as we've been so far. So just so everybody is aware of

that. Let's see. Which one were we first revisiting again? Oh. It was

I think American West Heritage Center was the first one we mentioned that we would revisit. Community bands. And then cash community band. So mark both of those to revisit if we have money left over after the end of this binder. So with that being said, let's jump into project number 36. This is from the town of Cornish, and their score was 34. 34. A good score. They asked for $85,000 for a $200,000 project. The project is a park parking lot installation.

We also, in 2023, gave him $65,000 for the same thing.

Another $65,000

How much have building materials increased since then?

That means they never got on the project then. What's that? Let me they didn't actually finish the project there. Yeah. It it was just a portion of it. Yeah. Looking for full funding years.

Again, for safety, they were trying to improve their safety hazards and get a handicap parking area. Yeah. That's what they mentioned.

So Yeah. It it sounds like they didn't have all of the money to proceed, but what they say in their application is that if they get this allocation, they will be able to proceed now.

$65,000 is not a lot for a parking lot. That that doesn't go very far in terms of asphalt and paving. So I can see they're they're in need. Prior to this, I don't you know, last year we gave them some funding. We've done some modest things for them. It is you know what? I I do try to keep in mind some amount of proportionality to size of community to size of awards, but difficult. I one question is I can't remember where at some point, and it feels like this may be all in the rearview mirror. Some of the some smaller communities were hesitant to allow bike races to come through their community, and and that that were part of county sorts of things. I guess one thing I'd throw I I'm open to supporting. I have them at 65,000 again for or 60, excuse me, for this year, with with hopes that they could complete the project. My hope would also be that if we aren't using wraps to support communities, some of these smaller communities and parks, that when we do have the bike races or or or runs or other things that are going on, that they're still open to in in account of the the the receipt of these kinds of funds to to being willing to support those kinds of events and races coming through their community. Does Cornish not allow?

No. It's only Trenton is the Trenton is the one It wasn't Cornish. Okay. It was Trenton had an issue, and and it was it was an it was a bad event. But

But if it's been resolved, then it's a nonissue. But I I I do hope that that that's consideration. I think Trent today is the only one that I I had them. I was gonna bump it to 75, but I I have no stress about that. Yeah. I I 75 sounds good. Okay.

I'm seeing several head nods for 75,000. Any other thoughts?

I only put it at it at 50 because they

I know what you mean. Like, they're carrying it on and not getting it done.

And it doesn't seem like there's much in kind or anything else going on. $10,000 in kind on a $190,000 project.

And that's been on this project because that's the type of project that it is. Yeah. You know, as far as other projects they've done, if you notice at the back in the past, they've, like, done 90% of it themselves volunteer. This one, because it is a shaping Pavement. Leveling, paving, they just don't have a choice of Yes. And it's it's Corniche. It's it's a voluntary Corniche. Yes. They don't have facility. They don't have people that can do those things. I knew I knew I you know, I know that as much. So

Yeah. And even even shorting them any amount, it it'll be difficult for them to come up with the rest of that. So I heard a recommendation for 75,000. Any alternative proposals? Hearing none. We'll make that a recommendation and move on to project 37. Just the four seasons theater company. And their score. 33. And their total project budget is 200,000. They requested 49,000.

Did I miss something on the tax information?

In the past, we have considered the three theater companies together because they're kind of comparable. I like that. Which would be project thirty forty three. Cash Theater Company is doing four presentations, identical. And Four Seasons is doing five. Is doing five. And their nine ninety information was worthless.

Yeah. Well, yeah. It sure was.

Nothing. Just a few boxes checked. Yeah. And I think the same person prepared

two of them. Okay.

Anyway, my recommendations are on fifty two Music Theater West, they requested 39, four presentations. I recommend that we give them 39. Number 43, which is Cash Theater Company, they're giving four presentations, and I recommend that we give them 39. Number 43, which is Cash Theater Company, they're giving four presentations, and I recommend that we give them 39. It at 40,000, which is comparable to the 39. And Four Seasons, I recommend 45,000. So we give five presentations. Just as an aside, Cash Theatre Company has people on their board that own the theater, the Black Box Theater, which is over there where the old Kings used to be. And they are paying, in their budget, they're paying $30,000 of lease payments to members of their board for use of the theater. And this is a non profit, but it's a private non profit. So my question is, are we improvements indirectly?

Is that where all their shows are at? Through private through a facility. Exactly. Is that where all their shows are at then? Since they Pardon? Is that where all their shows are at? I'm not as familiar with

Is that Wendy? Help us. So so the three musical theater companies are working together to share back office and coordinate the planning.

And they're doing Cashier Company has announced one at the Echoes, one at the Lionheart, and

Okay. So we have three recommendations. Bruce, will you please restate those three recommendations to make sure you're starting? Start with 30 Yeah. 37. Seasons, they requested 49. I'm suggesting 45.

Number 43, they're requesting 49. I'm suggesting 40.

Is that Lyric?

No. That's Cash Theater Company. Cash theater company. Cash theater company. Project 43,

or application 43. And then number 50 2, Music Theater West, they're requesting 39. I'm suggesting 39.

Okay. So we have recommendations on all three of those. Are there any thoughts on any of those recommendations from the board?

A little higher than what we've done in the past. Yeah. Mine weren't quite that high with this. I I'm a snitch lower, but but, right, there's inflation, and and I'm not I I you know, I I have no I I like what these groups contribute to the community. I really do.

K. I was I was a little taken back on the tax information. You know, and just starting It just It was worthless. Yeah. And why didn't they why didn't they, you know, give us the right information? You know. It didn't look It didn't look correct. It didn't look I worry that maybe someone wasn't looking at it application in or something. But that's I they've got they've got, you know, good reputations. I'm just saying, you know, whoever's doing that process needs to make sure that it's done right.

I just have a random question, but maybe Wendy would know the answer best too. But, do all three of these organizations, when when someone's, participating in as as an actor, actress, do they have to pay to participate? Or is it but I think most of them are volunteer, aren't they? That's a very good question I don't know the answer to. I am not aware that any of them are they? That's a very good question I don't know the answer to. I am not aware that any of them currently need to pay to participate. There used to be a costume Yeah. That's what I remembered. If you work on that. But it I mean, we won't change anything right now, but I this is just something I've wondered about and, you know, how how are they engaging with the community on that.

Okay. So we have a proposal for 45,000 on number 37, for 40,000 on number 43, and for 39,000 on number 52. Unless I hear any other alternative proposals, we'll make that our recommendation. Okay. Hearing none, those will be our recommendations on those three projects. Okay. We got a three for one there, and that brings us now to project number 38, and this is An application from the Friends of Bryant's place for the garden at the River Heights Memorial Garden or also known as River Heights Memorial Garden. Their score was. They're asking for 72,000 out of a $130,000 project.

I I recommend against funding on this one given the low score. I I I have a variety of questions about it, but I I have a lot of questions on this one.

I didn't recommend

any funding. I didn't. Agreed with Rudy, so I didn't recommend any funding either.

I'm not sure if that's more like what we wanted to be doing. Seems like the private memorial is part of River Heights.

I was feeling similarly knowing that Price Place was built by, funding outside, you know, volunteers and, companies that contributed. I was I was thinking, well, follow the same structure you did last time. Go go ask for funds for the good reason that it was built in the

the first place. Yeah. It's really sad. But yeah. I'd propose zero zero funding this year. Yeah.

I didn't I had it really low.

Yeah.

Everyone did. Apparently. Plus, they're asking for Yeah. Large

That's the running place park. Is that family? But It's the family, yes. Yeah. So maybe that's the rationale for their now. I don't know. It's good to go. I do think it's interesting that this has a botanical component. Botanical

gardens are one of the specific specific uses in the legislation. I don't know if we've ever spent money specifically on botanical uses, have we? No.

Not that I I've been doing this in my third year. I don't

like this. Yeah. Yeah. I I'm not aware of one. I don't know if those of you who've been here a little longer.

There's there's already been a few that, I guess, they're multiyear projects kinda like raising money for a future thing. This is one of those things where it's like, you know, they'll they'll do and they have the funding fully to do it. Maybe to just show a little bit support and if the money is matched, we just even gave 5,000 or 10,000. But, you know, and they might be back next year asking for more.

I think you're establishing a precedent. Yeah. I I agree.

Establishing a precedent

of Funding They're gonna come back year after year until we get the whole thing done. And again, this is part of River Heights. And so you have to consider that in conjunction with the money that we're giving to River Heights, I think.

Right.

The the way the application is framed has some beauty to it in the tribute to the individuals who have been lost. And and I I love and and and want to to show appropriate respect for that. I think the way the application is crafted, I I could imagine an alternative application that could come in in the future that was crafted with a little more focus on the botanical components to show a more direct link to wrap specific things that could potentially be a better fit for the program in ways that I'm not seeing in this application even though the application did things in my heart. Heart. That I I I don't know if that makes sense or not, but that's that's where I'm thinking. Let's go with what we talked about. Nothing for now, and

let's see where they go.

Would would the board like to send some feedback to them about what we might like to see or what might

lead us to fund them next year? It sounds like maybe we're just saying, see if you can get this, like, maybe funding events and find a different way to fund it, I think is what we're saying. Is that right?

I either I'm okay with that or a a a greater focus on a a straight up botanical facility with a with with strong match, a broader community participation, maybe see if River Heights City wants to come in as a partner and and attack it from a variety of fronts in that sort of way, I think, would be an application I'd be more interested in. If River Heights wants to take it under the wing, then I'm okay with that. Yeah. That that actually makes the more sense to me than That makes sense.

Mhmm. Okay.

It sounds like the majority of the board is not in favor of funding that one, so let's move on to the next project, project 39. This is for the thirteenth annual cash grand condo, and their score was

35.

35? They also have another application that's more two different Yeah. That's, like projects, but it's the same we're the same request, same entity. So number 39, the score was 35, and 40 was the score of 33.

Okay. And they're asking for 8,000

and 3,500

respectively. I I had both of them a full funding.

8,039 and 3,540.

They would recommendation for full or a proposal for full funding on both of those projects.

Who does that Gran Fondo bring in? A lot

here. Yeah. It is huge. You can't find any hotels Yeah. To Pocatello

to Ogden, basically. It's it's huge. Yeah. K. Any alternative proposals? Okay. Hearing none, we'll make that a recommendation of full full funding on both of those projects, which then brings us to project number 41, Arum City Ball Field improvements, and the score was 35. K. They have a score of 35. They've requested $400,000. They have a $1,200,000 project budget.

I I noted with interest that at at least in my notes, I have down that they have not yet spent last year's funds for that. And and I'm I I really like to see when communities, you know, get a project, put the money to work, and then get going on it. They said this, resolve this issue by the March

2023.

I think that's a typo. Oh, okay.

I I will make note that we do give them two tiers to work on their project and to make a request for the reimbursement of their rewards. So they do have a two year timeframe.

And you were saying this is on they applied to this last year? How much did they receive?

I I don't have. Dollars 200,000

I I don't have $200,000

to build and improve a developer plan park. They have problems with the buy with the

the developer. Yeah. My recommendation is that we give them award them $300,000

that have used some money from last year to do their project.

Okay. I had a $2.50, but

I'll go with you. Two fifty. You know what? Two fifty. I haven't been doing You know, they do have they do have the two years. It is a big project that they have. They're willing to put in I mean, at this, they're putting in a million dollars.

I'm one of those that I sit there, and I think it's a they do have the two years, and sometime and it has been really tough finding the right people to get these things done even though they got it. They think they've got it lined up, and then when they get the funding, all of a sudden, you know, trying to just get the people there, you know, get get the concrete, get the those kind of things going is everything is just not as easy as it used to be.

They said that it was they weren't able to start Yeah. Last year due to complications with legal aspects of an agreement with the developer. So that could go on forever. I'm saying take that money, put it with the 200 that read, and they've got the 400. The 200 that reads recommended, 200 from a year ago, they've got the 400. They could go ahead with this project.

Then we can look at that this time.

Historically, we funded them starting in 2019. 100 and twenty five thousand, a 100,000, 02/1950, a hundred, February. And the recommendation

today is 200. 200 again. And $2.50. That wasn't for all the same project, was it? Pardon? Oh, there's all the same projects. Various projects. Yes. If it's approved for a previous year's different project, can they roll it into this one? Yes. They can request a change. They can request a change. Change. Yeah. And if you're, I guess,

offering or suggesting that they make a change, I can contact them, and they would have to come back to the county council to request that. If they are not able to complete a project, contact them and they have to come back and request an extension. And if it's not within the scope

of the project and it's a change

like, change like, one city needed to change locations because of various reasons

and then went back to the county council. So there's a change

in, length of time for requesting or the main project scope needs to be changed, they need to go back to the county council and request that.

Okay.

What's the first name, like, two hundred and fifty or two fifty? Two hundred fifty or two hundred? There's been two re reads at February.

Dave said February.

I I have it at 200, but but need if if I I'm okay with 02:50, or I'd be okay with doing two hundred and coming back. Everyone's more agreement there. Let's go with the 200 and then go from there. Okay. Let's go with 200 on that one. Maybe

pass on the the discussion we had concerning the previous year's allotment, which would put them at their full funding request now. Yeah.

Okay. That brings us to project number 42, which is jump the moon foundation. Their score was

He has to make a note.

30. 30? Their total

they requested amount $24.05?

Yes. They've asked for 24,500 of their $105,000 budget.

The operating? You're on number what?

42. Jump them on. Jump them on. Oh, Okay. So they're asking for 24,500 of their $105,000 budget. What is the preference of the board? Looks like they were requested 245

last twenty four six last year and got 18.

I I'd like all the things they do. I have 15.

For for funding for this year, but yeah. I have them at eighteen. I think 18. I said nine. Keep them last year. I'll go with the eight. Eighteen.

Okay. I'm hearing lots of eighteens. Yeah. Okay. I see lots of head nods on that. Let's make that our recommendation then. 18,000 for jump the moon. That brings us to project 43, which we have already recommended $40,000 on, which then brings us to project number 44, is the Logan Community Foundation, Panoramic Academy, and for 30, They have requested $49,000 of their $212,000 project budget. And have we funded these before?

No. I think this is the first year. Yeah.

It said $20.23 $5,000 for Matilda Junior. All funds allocated.

$20.23 of for Matilda. Under a different name.

I found it.

Logan Community Foundation doing business as CTC Panorama Academy. Oh, yeah. Logan enrollment

has gone up. They had 50 or they have 400 participants in this.

So they currently have 350, but they're planning on for their summer camp and expecting to register up to 500.

Wow. Guess that's why they're asking for That's asking for That's why the big jump is that there are a lot more kids that wanna do it. They're also hiring high school students to run the technical aspects and giving them opportunity

to learn theater, technical. Oh, that's a lot of kids.

Yeah. That is a lot of kids. But I I was gonna my proposal was 20,000, but

I had them at 25.

That's your 20,000?

Catherine, so you can have a pretty good jump from last It's a big jump from last year. Okay. I'm hearing twenty and twenty five. I would like to see how much their enrollment increased to justify this increase in request.

Do we have their enrollment from last year? So they've been doing their camps at Green Canyon High School.

They said the This group is associated with Oh, yeah. And they have $30,000 of their budget going to facility rent, which is over in the Black Box Theater. So this again, Ray, is the are we funding a capital purchase and or board members on a nonprofit private nonprofit?

Well, 50% of this is salary of their total $2.12 budget.

So there's an additional 30,000 for commercial space rental.

Yeah.

K. So We do invest a lot in capacity building for space through Wendy's organization and others.

But you're different.

Oh, what I'm saying is I would I would almost rather advise these people to network more broadly in the arts community where we've already supported provision of this space

rather than funding more space. Gotcha. Is that doable, Wendy? Are you recommending, Damon, that they use

do they talk to Wendy or to the Utah Festival Theater and and see if they can work out ways that they could collaborate with these other organizations where we're already funding existence of space? So Wendy alright. I guess the question is is are they already doing that? Is it feasible that they do that more? Is it even appropriate that they use theaters of those sizes?

Is

that why they're at Green Canyon High School because there wasn't enough room for them at other places? Is a money issue. Certainly, we make our like, the the Illinois Bulls, we give a first dibs of space to the locals by performing for seasons at Skyview, they are able to offer a much lower ticket price, service the North End Of The Valley because those rental prices are less expensive. Right. It's just said that their Green Canyon High School cost had tripled. Oh, that would be for for their summer accounts. Yes.

Oh, that would be for their summer camps. Yes. Yeah. So they have summer camps. Charged more by the school districts for that space. For the space of the summer. And I think that's where some can overlap because I you've got your summer camps, and it's not like they're a facility that they could use at the same time. And I wonder when they list in their budget commercial space rental, are they referring to Green Canyon High School, or

is that only commercial locations?

So it comes back to my recommendation that we fund them in $5,000

That's what we did a year ago. That's what I have listed for them as well.

Wow. I'll go to that. I will. I like that. Partly because I guess these summer camps do cost, and so if we're gonna have more students, we're gonna have more revenue from that. So that's how they do it.

Okay. So I hear a recommendation for $5,000 of their requested 49,000.

Any other thoughts on that? Wow. I think that's awfully low. I think that's low. I think that's For that many kids that are participating, and they say we we don't wanna price any families out. I mean, that is we'd like to have more kids be able to participate, and that's historically Are

Are are you suggesting maybe we should be more like 20,000 and then, look at that? Do that as we look at our budget at the end and say, do we have the money?

Okay. I would say a minimum of 20,000, but I would really like to see it more. Yeah. That's a lot of kids.

Yes. Yeah. That's about life. And you just need manpower, because they do say they're paying, but with that many kids, you need people. Yeah. That's a lot of kids. Three year olds to 18 year olds, you've gotta have it. So

Okay. So I I'm hearing an alternative recommendation of $20,000 And revisit? And to revisit it at the end. K. They're all okay with that.

We have to when we revisit, it may go down, though.

That's possible. Yeah. And to where we're at. So And then we're at to revisit, it may be at risk. Okay. So let's let's write that down for now, 20,000, but put on our list of revisits. And that brings us then to project number 45, which is the Logan downtown alliance. They had a score on project 45 of 34. 34. They are requesting $20,000 of their $80,000 budget. Recommendations, proposals from the board.

Top of Utah brings in quite a few people also, doesn't it?

I recommended the first thing.

I think the $70,000.

How much? 20.

K. We have a recommendation for fully funding their $20,000 request.

We did give them 15 last year. Yeah. I was gonna say last year was 15. Maybe I mean, we're Is this the rear bond? Spending here or giving Yes. Spending here or giving Yes. The

maybe which we recognized last year. If we look at the history in 2019, we give them 5,000 and then 5,000 and then 10 and then 10 and then 15, and now they're asking for 20. I changed my recommendation. I have a Because I just looked at their budget, and they budgeted an $8,000

surplus based on the $20,000 wraps. Oh. So if we lower it to 15,

then they won't break even on their budget. 15 is what we gave them last year. 15. Good eyes. Good eyes. Good eyes. K. 15. Alright. 15 on number 45, which brings us then to project number 46, which is the Logan youth Shakespeare, and they're asking for seasonal rental assistance. Their score was 26. 26. They've asked for $5,000. Their total project budget is almost $69,000. Looking new Shakespeare.

And with the request, they have a balance.

Recommendation? Yes. Fully fund their request. Okay. So we have a recommendation to fully fund them at $5,000. Any thoughts otherwise?

Good with that. What is l y s? So you can That's the name of what it is, but it says rental assistance. So that's the name of what it is, but it says rental assistance. Are they also in that same boat or just trying to find They're helping to pay for their rehearsal room. L. A. S. Is loving Open Youth State Chain. Same thing. They're newly incorporated where they used to be. So their rental is also I tell you, it's quite a competitive space. And they're giving

partial scholarships because they had 20% of their kids that needed some help with being able to be in these productions. That's good.

Okay.

Did we do it for you? Any alternative proposals on that one other than full funding? If not, then we'll park them down for full funding and move on to project number 47, which is the lyric have a score of 32. They're asking for $17,000 of their total project budget of $427,000 Last year we give him 15,000.

Recommendation

against 15,000 any alternative recommendations. So I have asked for 17 the recommendation is. That brings us to project number 48. And project number 48 is the Mend And City Legacy Park.

I think this is one we can stick to where we set out in the beginning. I think with the mallet being here, you know, close to 50% of the project.

Yeah. I I I love the youth council component of this, the idea that kids in the community are invested in helping design and set up the park. This is just too heavy of a lift for a 100% funding to drop on on that side of the community. I I I wish we you know, there's a part of me that wants to say, what if we gave you 80,000 or something like that, 75? What what could you do with it? Could you get something started and make something begin happening there? And could the city bring in a match? But I I I you know, the board will have to make those we we don't have an applicant here to discuss that with, and and so I guess the board has to make that that decision on their own as to whether or not to partially invest. I I would have no if if if they asked us for, for for $5,070,000 dollars and had a similar amount put up, I would have no stress about just saying yes to that application. I just I'm not sure what to do with with saying we can only give you a quarter of what you asked for. It it or Yeah. Other board members may have other figures in mind, though. Yeah. Because their says oh, sorry. Go ahead. Their total project

budget is 394,000, and they're asking for 321,000.

Again, the their phase, though, is to do the parking lot with the sidewalk stormwater. That's the kind of stuff, again, that's really hard to find in kind donations in a city that small. I mean, you have to have the people that know how to do that correctly.

Historically, they've not made requests up until the last couple of years. And last year, they made a same request for the same project. We just wanted to ask for that. Right now. 40 they just did this streaming system. That's not sold out there a year ago.

Is it is this Taylor Park as well? It says Legacy Park. Oh, Legacy Park. The ones for last year were at Taylor Park.

We funded some irrigation and and park stuff there in the last year or two, I think. But

It's really hard because having, you know, been in a smaller city, it was building parks. The really not fun stuff has to go in first before you can get to the fun stuff. And and that's just the really expensive things, those those improvements of parking sidewalk.

There there are some ways to work with that, though. In North You're crazy. We had a dirt and gravel parking lot in in Elkridge Park for for several years while we were waiting for incremental support from RAPS

to be able to eventually fund a portion of that and then other sources for other parts of it.

Getting there over time.

Okay. Any recommendations from the board on this and what we do? Wow.

You know, it's interesting. They've said their total cost was $394,000, but they have DWA here giving them bids for, like, 2 and a half million.

I I just read about phase This was phase one.

Oh, okay. Thank you.

Yeah. Face face one is a 67 stall parking lot sidewalk storm water and six pickleball courts. That's more than 400,000 to do all that.

I I would propose that that we offer $80,000 to them to and and and if they wanna just bank it and come back in year two with a plan to to make some incremental progress, then then they can do it because they have two years to spend. And if they say, hey. Actually, let's let's sharpen our pencils and figure out something we can do with $80,000 to make our our park get something started in the park, whether it's grass or irrigation or or or what that that let's let the community make the decision what they'd like to do. Mendon should have some funding, I really believe, to to support the park. I just don't know how we get to to this kind of figure all in one year.

Okay. So I had 80,000 written down myself.

Okay. So we have two board members recommending 80. Any other ideas? I'm good

Because if you look at the design, their parking lot is right there, and their pickle their pickleball courts are right off the parking lot. They could develop pickleball courts for 80,000. That's what they have down there.

Okay. So we have I'm hearing from a few board members. Have a good discussion.

What's that?

About a 100. Yeah. You go to a 100. You I agree.

I think you should just I mean, you're asking them to do an awful lot with not much to even get started. Having going through a remodeling project this year, we know what costs have gone up astronomically, and it just seems like they should be able to at least get started on something.

But Okay. So I've $80.80 in a possible revisit.

I I like that idea. I I I and maybe maybe that number ends up being able to be more than a 100 by the time we revisit. But

Yeah. Maybe. Okay. Everybody okay with that idea? Put it down for 80, come back to it at the end? I'll get it to 86. Okay. Let's do that. 3. Alright. Let's Before we move on, did we do forty seven February? Yes. '15. '15. '15. Yeah. And also, mister Saxton, we just reviewed your proposal right before you got here, and we recommended 15,000. So just so you know, we've already talked about it with the Logan Downtown Alliance.

Okay.

Then to project 49, which is the Millville City South Park Pavilion.

They have two from Millville City. Scores on the score on 39 is

Okay. So we're looking at number forty nine and fifty on project 49. The request is 271,000 on a $371,000 project. And the request on project number 50 is $40,000 of the $47,500 I

had about one eighty between the two.

Are you recommending maybe fully funding the smaller one and then partially funding the bigger one? I

didn't have quite that high, but that was your separate, the one eighty is on just 49. Between the two? Oh, between the two. Yeah. I'm at $1.70

as as of this, so seven very similar

lines. Yeah. I had a $1.65 between the two. We're wrapping the ball apart.

Do do we have the ability to say to to give a general amount and let them choose how to allocate across the two projects, or do we need to make specific recommendations on each project?

We need a specific order of finance. We do quick purchase orders, and so we need an amount on each project.

And then some of them will they may change their

and then they come to the county council and say, hey. We want to actually move that over to here because we can't do something. Right. Yeah. They could, and they'll we we we listen to it. We do.

So I'll do 01:50 and thirty. One fifty for the project. 39. Forty nine and thirty for the the next project. 51. 50. Sorry. I can't count. Okay. So

we have a proposal for. 130,000 project 49.

5,150,000

on project 49 and 30,000 project 50. That'll be good. Okay. Alternative proposals. Okay. Everybody okay with that? Yeah. Okay. So, just to restate, did you get that 150 on project forty nine and thirty on project 50. Correct. So that brings us next to Mountain West Strings Academy project number 51. And

I I had them at 2,500 for full funding on this

full funding anybody have a problem with fully funding that very

very simple organization doing a lot what was there with the little yeah their score is 31

great organization for sure so that brings us to project 52, which we already recommended 39,000 for, and that would then bring us to project 53. Project 53 is the Nibley Children's Theater. Fully fund. They're only asking for $1,250.

So fully fund? Yeah. K. That sounds good. K. How what is the amount we said on on the 52?

52. 52 was 39,000. Thank you. We previously discussed that one in the block with the other two theater companies. Thank you. Okay. And so Natalie children's theater full funding. And that brings us to project 54, which is the nor echoes Harrison Museum of Art. And they're asking $11,000 of their $145,000 budget. Support for their Inter Mountain mural project.

What is their score? Their score is 26.

Yeah. I've disclosed I work for Utah State University, but I have no affiliation with the art museum.

I thought you were gonna be in the mural.

I volunteered. And that's I was thinking maybe that's maybe why that score comes into that.

Well they're doing educational outreach programs though, and

school field trips, mobile art trip. That's what I recommend in funding. It's $4,900 for the

I had 5,000, but I wrote down on them today.

5,000? Okay. I'm hearing a couple people say 5,000. Forty minute whatever you

5,000

sounds good. Yeah. Any alternative proposals? 5 is okay. Okay. We'll go with 5,000 then on project 54. Brings us to project 55. Nordic United. They are asking for $7,000 of their $75,000 budget. Okay. And then on May, they're asking for $5,000 of their $25,000 budget.

These guys do a nice job of getting volunteers to come and and and run the equipment, all that stuff. They really get a lot of mileage out of the money that goes into it by by supplementing their volunteers. I I have them at five and 5 for each. I did. Okay.

56. Okay. They're using it to buy us the equipment to do snowmobiles. I'm reluctant to do that. That is for the That is for the They're what they're doing is they're buying, you know, They're what they're doing is they're buying a snowmobile for snow snow grooming and a utility trailer. That's what they're spending that money for. I'd rather do the grooming rather than buying the equipment. I

The take equipment the equipment. The equipment. I know. I know. The

volunteers largely are the ones who are going out. I I I've got a neighbor who goes out and rides the snowmobile type device, and that's what creates the grooming. Mhmm. And they can get the grooming done for free if they have the equipment. I

I like it. I like it. Because it keeps the skinny skiers down here, and the snowmobilers don't have to run into them up there.

Yes.

All right. I mean, and it's kind of a It actually, it gives them kind of a uninhibited and that keeps people from crashing in certain areas. It really does. Yeah. John, this is a great group. And winter sports, you know, without going too far. This is really close to many of our residents. Yeah. So I I support, you know, Damon's I'm just glad it's a one time thing. It might be, whatever, 05:10 well, 10,

even more. So it's just it makes it so that activity can actually happen. So, Damon, your recommendation was 5,000 for each of their proposals?

Yes. K. Any alternative proposals? For both of them? Five for each one each? Five for the first. It's not quite full funding, but and then 5,000 for the second. I'll support that very much. Okay. K. I see a lot of head nod on that. So we'll make 5,000 a recommendation for project 55 and 5,000 a recommendation for project 56. That brings us to project 57, which is the North Logan City Pumpkin Walk.

Totally funded. Their score is 34.

Very high score. At least 750,000

people visit.

You need it. So many people.

It is crazy every year. Every year I'm like, what's

this time?

What? Wow.

Do you know if you're ready kids?

I'm usually fishing up in Alaska, so I'm sorry. You have to weigh the pass. I'm going I weighed the two, and then and then there are, though. I've my family, everyone, a lot of them, they've got and they it's huge. It's it's it's a big deal. It's pretty fascinating. So Great event. So $5,000 is their request and sounds like the recommendation is to fully fund that. So I'm supporting it just to not go.

Just to not go?

So you don't have to go? Save the bus.

I haven't been There you go. There you go. I haven't been in a long time, but it is it's still free for everyone to go. I mean, it's it's a And they give cookies. Yes. I mean, so it like, really, that's not much money for such a great public event. Yeah, man. Yeah. What's the theme this

year? Been selected yet? Yeah. I do.

I'm in the series in here, Ricksy, because I haven't been locked.

Yes. The man the man male of man woman power, you know, the people power for this thing is huge. Yeah. I know that. I've I've I've had family that's even participated in it, and I go, oh my lands. You know, we just don't see them for a couple months.

Yeah. Really? Yeah.

I'm sure you guys as staff love it. Parking

and the headaches that it brings. K. Well, thank you very much for for what you guys do on that project. That brings us then to Project 58, which is town, and they're asking for money for 62,000 is what they're asking for. Lights. Out of a $77,000 project, and they want to install electrical infrastructure to support the stadium lights at the Equestrian Park.

The scores for two.

What is the preference of the board?

Reid?

I didn't wanna say anything.

Go ahead. Be wise. Yes. Well, you you are our representative of that area. In the South End. In the South End. What what are your thoughts on it?

I would give them the equestrian and the triple bar. Say that again? The equi the lighting for the Equestrian Rodeo arena. Paradise actually has the one of the very few equestrian areas where they can come and ride their horses and so forth. And so they're trying to get lighting out there so that they can utilize it even more during the year with the lights on.

Recommended to the thirty two six and the 20004 is a total of 53. The first two items on their

budget on the budget.

As it happens, that's I happen to jot down as well. But I've found everything but the pickleball, which puts them in the neighborhood just under 55. Yeah. Yeah. So is that the recommend or the proposal? 53,000?

Excuse me? 53,000

is what's being sounds good. K. 53,000. I see lots of head nods, so let's put 53,000

down. So I almost brought it up in our last discussion on the pickleball courts. It's really interesting how every city wants pickleball courts glorified ping pong, isn't it? You can't they're packed all the time. Yeah. No. They are packed, but it is interesting. Interesting that that's the raid now. Have have been funding pickleball courts for several years. Actually,

and they're busy. And they're they are busy. Really, really. And they have a that katunk katunk, you know, that little oh, my man. Leaders of I have a brother that sells pickleball paddles. You know, I'm farming a mile and a half away, and I hear

it. Utah is the highest concentration per capita of pickleball players

in the nation. Wow. Right. Pickleball. Pickleball.

And this is gonna prove it. You can play at any age. Actually, some of the best pickleballers I've seen are are older people. I'm surprised how

good they are. Yeah. Maybe we're the pickleball cap for the world, it sounds like. Oh, we might be. Could be. Should get in the Olympics. Wow. Yeah. Okay. That brings us then to project number 59, which is an application from Providence City, and they also have project 60. So project 59 is the Brager Park playground project and project 60 is the Providence Walking trail connecting 100 East to drive. 59 to requesting $90,000 of their $120,000 project. I think 60. And $35,000 of their $165,000 project. What is the preference of the board?

First priority project to break apart. And and maybe hold off on it to drive.

But I did fully from the first one and nothing on the second definitely the playground.

Any alternative thoughts on fully funding. Project 59? Okay. So we'll put that one down as funding and then the proposal on 60 is to not fund it at this time. Any alternative proposals on that?

Now was wasn't Providence part of that group that was also requesting the the money for the a feasibility study in the center? They sent a letter of support.

Theirs was one.

This was the safe pathway to walk to school for the kids that that we're not funding. I mean, is that what you've been walking? March Crosswalks, ADA compliant accessibility.

Yeah, I'm Yeah. I'm about the perspective of prioritizing kids and and opportunities for them. I worry a little bit that if we get too far down the road of saying that we'll we every city in the in the county could end up applying for fund funding all of their sidewalks through wraps rather than I I I wanna view things like curb, gutter, and sidewalk as as something that, first of all first and foremost development should pay the cost of when it comes in. And if cities have made the choice not to require that. I I feel like city that that's kind of core city infrastructure. If it's a a jogging path in a in a park or a a trail, for for me, that feels like it feels very rhapsy. If it's just kind of, oh, we don't have sidewalk on this stretch, then I I I kind of feel like that's a place where cities ought to come to the table. But that's just my perspective and and That makes sense. With other approaches.

And in in conjunction with what Damon is saying, there's lots of funding available for Safe Paths to School that are outside this group that they could apply for Mhmm. If it really is part of their safe routes to school. That'd probably be the recommendation we should make then. Like, we're already talking about funding it, but tell them where they should open figure out where to go. If it really if it really is part of that. Potentially, you get a CDBG grant for '88.

Mhmm. As well. So Mhmm. Okay. So it sounds like the recommendation is nothing on project 60. K. K. That would bring us to project 61.

And

this is Richmond City black and white days kitchen, office, and bathroom remodel, and they are asking for $105,000 of their $140,000

project. Their score is 33.

Had some safety issues that seemed like they were trying to a good good stab at getting them taken care of.

You know, that's my area. I'm in favor of the full funding myself, but I've seen the you know, with the with the show that they have there, with the city use and everything, I'm I think it's a it's a great project.

I agree.

Fifty year

Okay. We have we have a couple recommendations now for full funding, 105,500. Any alternative proposals? K. Hearing none, we will recommend full funding on projects one that brings us to project 62. This is for the River Heights Park Northeast phase two. And they are asking for a 120,000 of their $175,000 project.

I had him funded fully funded at this.

For a 120,000.

Okay. I'm hearing a couple people saying fully funding any alternative proposals. Okay. Hearing none. That will be our recommendation for funding for project 62. This next to Smithfield City.

Museum. Historical Museum.

Okay. So and will you tell us quickly their scores on those three? The score for number 63

was 33. Score for 64 was 31, and the score for 65 was 32.

K. So they're in the in the thirties for each of those. On project 63, they requested $200,000 of their $260,000 project. On '64, they requested $3,500 of a $7,000 project. Okay. Put the funding there. And then on project 65, they requested $50,000 of their $65,000 budget.

One of the things that I thought was interesting, when you ranked when they ranked at one, two, and three, they ranked the playground equipment first. And then second, I would have thought they would have ranked the historical building they're trying to do. Instead, they put the rank for the youth in second place for $121,300 bucks. So I thought it was interesting that they wouldn't have put the historical building before the youth

choir or youth The play? I think. Yeah. Yeah. I I felt the same way. I think the youth theater should be that's that one's easy. We funded all the other youth theaters. Yeah. I I think that one's 35. Full funding on that one. Yeah. I think full funding on that one. So then we have the history museum phase two interior work where they're asking for 50,000 of their $65,000 project, and then we have the St. Acres Playground.

What building is that?

The museum. It is just basically just south of their city offices

right there. It's in the same block as,

Preston. Preston Walks. It's it's kind of Right right corner. Yeah. And there's a lot of vol I know there's a lot of volunteer. A lot of the some of the people, the foundation people are they're still living there, their heritage. They're putting a lot of time into that. And this this this actually kind of I won't say it quite wraps it up, but it's almost, you know, totally completes these there. I recommended 200,000

for funding the Forrester Acres. So you were kind of the champion of the museum. I'd be interested in what you recommended for the museum this year. I recommended the $50,000 for the museum,

myself. Then maybe we go down to the $50,000 And I went to 185

on the other one. But I think this would kind of finish that and what their, every city, if they they wrestle between what's really important and to to them as far as they don't wanna compete against each other on their RAPS applications, you know, they talk about those things. And so and you got different entities within a city, and you see that in all the cities. So

Well, I recommend a 230, which is very close to your 185. And two fifty. Yeah. So I'm willing to go with your recommendation.

Okay. Any alternative proposals? One eighty five for Forrester Acres Playground

is proposal. And then I have that one seventy, but I I don't one eighty five is fine. I was at one seventy as well, but but $1.85.

Okay. So 185,000 for the Forest Rakers Playground. And the fourth? Full full funding on project 64, and then $65.50, I believe. Also full funding. Yeah. Just

50,000 on December 60,000.

K. Alright. I think this is a good approach. I think taking all of the same all of the proposals from the same organizations together is a good way for us to review these. That brings us then to project 66, which is from the Stokes Nature Center, and they are asking for funds to expand the school and community nature based programs, the total budget of 331,000, and they're asking for 30,000.

What's their score? I funded them with 30,000.

So what we gave them last year was 34. Yeah. 30,000 last year. Yeah. Their score was less. Their score is 34.

Yeah. I think they're unique. Full funding?

Alright. That will be our recommendation, full funding for Stowe County Center on project 66. That brings us to project 67. And this is summer best arts fair. They. Are asking for $20,000 or a $143,000 budget, and we gave them $20,000

last year. Under them also. Full. Full. Where is it happening this year? Fairgrounds. Fairgrounds still. Okay. That's been a great move. I think it's been a Everybody's

huge down there. Yeah. I think their their plans to stay there.

Except for the downtown, probably. Downtown Alliance probably doesn't like it. Everyone else seems to like it. Just expand your downtown. Come on.

Yeah. Envelope it. Yeah. Actually, I I saw on their committee for years, and we loved Working in the city. Downtown, but I know that the current committee says, well, we'd love a down fairground. So Yeah.

Yeah. I I think there are definitely a lot of positives to have in them over at the fairgrounds and

parking. Parking has all the benefits. Yeah. Parking has benefits.

And they scored

a 36, so they Oh, wow. Yeah. Very hot. Okay. Alright. That brings us then to our next project, 68. 68 is the Chamber Music Society of Logan, and they have an $86,000 budget, but they're asking for 6,000 from us.

Their score is 27.

That would be interesting to know.

It's a low score for full funding. I I but but we have, I think, funded them in the past. I I couldn't throw out maybe 3 or 4,000 as an option for that one.

We funded up $3,000 the last couple of years. I suggested 5,000 this year. I'm fine with that.

I I was okay with 4. Yeah. I wouldn't have a problem with that.

With 5 yeah. 5,000.

You were thinking four? I was thinking 4. I was thinking four too.

Five. Five is fine.

Four.

Four. I'm hearing 3 and two fives. Anybody else have any opinions otherwise?

I I changed to 4. That's Okay.

So 4,000 for project number 68. We are recommendation. We move on to project 69. That's Trenton town asking for handicap accessibility improvements. Funds requested. Dollars 4,000 of a $29,000 project.

They haven't asked for much support in the past. And so that Be there to help them out. Choose to come forward. And that's exactly

that. Yeah. And they should we did 9,000 years ago. But three or four years ago that nothing at all. Yeah.

Yeah. So I'm here in full full funding for that one. They haven't asked for much.

K. So you said that not

score is 34. Okay. Score. So full funding for project 69 will be our recommendation then, then which brings us 4,000. Yes. Okay. And then, we're now at project 70, the Unicorn Theater, and they are asking for $15,000 over $45,000 budget. Last year, we gave them $10,000.

32. Maybe if I bring up something back to Trenton again. In our earlier discussion, they are the city that said, hey, no one can bike through here. Oh, yeah. And I'm not saying it's changed anything. The only thing I would suggest, it was actually bathroom issues that caused the issue, as far as I understand. It was a little red race that, there wasn't enough bathroom facilities in the area, so people I I think, you know, with this funding, I don't know if we could give them at least a little bit of an ask to say, hey. You know, that was a long time ago. This happened. Could you maybe relook at that and just kinda lift that that sanction you've They still well, not as far as I know. Do you know Gary? Do they still say I mean, it's just don't know if they have an official It's just organized rights that they said. I mean, people write through it all the time. And, you know, they don't stop that. They just I think your city council has changed. Yes. Then major. They're not a person at work. No. I just know. I think every race is just they go around them and just don't go through them is how it's changed.

And and still that

it's easier to go around than to try

to Yeah. What's what's another mile. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, the guys, if they

these

Yeah. Events bring to the valley. Yes. They're really quite significant. But the Logagen race, the racers go on Maine out to Preston, but the fun riders, you could say, they they go and they go past Trenton just on the outskirts, and and they don't need to go through it. But there was little red that was traditionally going through the city. But I don't know. I just I just kinda bring that back up up just to say, maybe if there's any suggestion, if it's still there, basically say, Hey, try to be kind to the community. And I think the education happened on both parts too. Because

I think they've instructed a lot of the little red riders. Yeah. Little red riders. Anyway, they kind of also says, Hey, you know what? We need to step up and Exactly. You know, and we don't own the whole road kind of thing, you know. And just I think because that kept a lot of people from actually going out and doing what they need to do, you know, in their daily efforts. Yeah. And I think that I think it went both ways. And so I know they've gotten I think both of them have gotten a lot better. Yeah. Okay. I'm just just curious. Since we discussed that earlier, I thought, wait, that was the town. Anyway. Thank you.

Okay. So

that brings us then interesting. Unicorn Theater. No. No. I was suggesting that we might

I'm afraid this is one that I got interrupted on. Sorry. Halfway through, you know, and and but I didn't fund them that high, and that's what or something. I can't remember what it was, and I

You didn't like the unicorn one about the next week? The unicorn one. How could you not like them? I don't know.

There was something about it. I because of the finance. I don't know.

They didn't score them quite a sec. We gave them 10,000 last year. They're asking for 15,000 this year. They have a total project budget of 45,000.

I have them at ten again. I have them at ten again myself, but I have it. I can't remember why I said it. Fifteen. I had a big question mark, and I don't know why.

Notice the women are always wanting If if in the end, we're within budget of what we're spending, 15, I think it'd be great if if it's what we need to relook at.

You want 10 and look at it again? Is that what you're saying? No. I'll send 15 and and look at it if we have to. Oh,

okay. Okay. I heard a few tens and a few fifteens. I recommended 15.

Yeah. Let's put it that way.

Yeah. Same as last

year. I'm still hearing about half fifteens and half tens.

One way or the other, we're gonna

$12.05. I'd go for that.

$12,500 with a look at it again. Five with a relook.

Hopefully, we're not that close.

Her. Okay. So we're gonna do twelve five for now. We'll come back to that one, and that brings us to 70 one. And 71 is Utah Festival Opera, as is 72. And Huge. So project number 71, Utah Festival Opera and Musical Theater. They are asking for 505,000. That is the same number as their total project budget for that one. And then on project 72, they're asking for $50,000 of a $276,000 budget.

Wait a minute. I thought their total budget was

did I is that a typo?

So, and the scores on each of those are The score on 71

was 36, and 70 number 72 was 31 for their score.

K. So very high score on the first one. Do do you guys wanna take these together, do the smaller one first? I

just so that you know, I'm recommending 500,000 but I'm re really concerned. Because if you look at their financial statements for the year ended September 2022, they went in the whole $755,000 Now, of that, about 450 was depreciation, so not a cash outflow, but they went in the hole. The current year, they had to submit this before their current year financial statements were complete. Their financial statements for the year ended September 2023, they I believe they showed a loss of over $1,000,000 in the end of quarter. And of that, another 450 was depreciation, so not cash flow. So between the two years, something needs to happen. Yeah.

Years ago, they had a rough moment where they were I guess they had a huge loss. Was this, what, ten years ago or so? But I, you know, I remember protesting for, you know, their support. But over the years as we've watched this, they continually be so reliant on on so much funding, and then they still really make a profit or at least balance their budget. So I I was curious how you guys have been addressing this one over the years. I guess I'd known it's always been kind of fully funded a lot. I also wonder was there you know, they they they do run a very big organization. It's it's it's a big deal for the valley. But, and I've actually I mean, I've sat on the city council where in the past we were funding them and we always had a good excuse of how much, tax revenue they feel they were bringing. Do we have, updated that was years ago now. Is there updated information of what we feel their tax revenue is that they bring? Signs of their costs of, operating their facilities.

Wendy, we've done research. Tell them what research has been done for the arts and what they generate as far as economic benefit. And like I say, I do recommend $500,000 to them, which is nearly full funding. But Are are you saying total on the two projects or on just this one? Just for 71? No. I actually gave 500 on the one and 50 on on the marketing, $5.50 total. But before we even talk about that, I'd like you to go to your bottom line.

Yeah. It looks like we still have, even after the $507,170,000 left, including full funding for some talk. What are you talking about, please? So the amount remaining

Oh. With not making any changes

to the remaining to the remaining few. So giving them what they request Yes. We still have how much left over? 299,927.

We have plenty plenty of funding to fully fund everything that still needs to be discussed

and have lots of money left over. That was my point. My total. Is that we still have a bunch there for the county council that allocate, and that maybe helped you make your decision on these. And I struggle, as I indicated when I started, I struggle giving the whole thing to them. But, maybe we do and hope that they can turn the thing around this year. No matter how much you give them, I know of one councilman,

he always comes up and he wants another 100,000 for the feast out of this full opera.

So whatever you do. Way you can get out of it. You can, folks say, we're fully funded, they request it, don't ask for another guy. Yeah. Bless his heart. I mean he's passionate, and that's terrific. That is wonderful, but

it's just every year it's been pretty, you know, we we bring it out, and we all look at him, and he goes, I want it.

So it's worked out really good. So, Bruce, Bruce, what you're talking about, it sounds like is, that are you suggesting that maybe the county have some kind of discussion with organization Yeah. About our concerns. We're giving them half $1,000,000, and we wanna make sure that this investment is going to an organization that's healthy and stable.

The financial statements for them, if there's an accounting term called going concern, and if the auditor has determined that they may not exist, you have to put a statement in there saying there's we have concerns about whether they're gonna exist a year from now. In the financial statement, although it shows a loss, there is not a going concern note. K? Which means that they think that they can survive another year, and let's help them do it, I guess. If it had a going concern and going back to the time you're referring to, I we were still on the committee at that time too. And there was a financial statement where there was a going concern note included in it. And they did make some changes in the board, some significant changes in the board. And and Wendy maybe explained what happened is that they had planned to get a 3 quarter of 1,000,000 which they didn't get because whatever happened.

Now what were they funded last year? So I was gonna point that out. We are increasing dramatically each year. 2021 is 300,000. 2022 is $3.50. 2023, four fifty, and this year's $505.50,

if you can. $5.50. Yeah. It's true. But I know this organization is requesting that they they get a certain percentage of everything every year. Yeah. And I'm very, very hesitant to do that. Absolutely not. Because of They're not the only ones that are contributing either. You know, I I'm I'm I think we're doing it the way we should be doing it. Sorry to interrupt here, Catherine. I I apologize.

Fine. That I just was wanted to note that that each each year, if it's gonna continue, their ask is gonna continue to grow. That's not sustainable.

I've I've got such large amounts. Sorry. I've got four fifty or four seventy five on the operations and 30 on the outreach for the reasons that Catherine outlined. Just the very substantial growth in in the level of funding, it's it's it's been a really rapid escalation there. They they they do amazing things. Lots of people come to the Valley. They rent out an entire comp apartment complex to host traveling musicians and performers. Lots of lots of economics. They own that. They own Campus Corner? Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. It was

given to them at some point. Yeah. Actually, I guess I'll say this, not that I need to disclose anything, but I the home I live in, I bought from them. The Bishop Storehouse over here. Well, appreciate it now. Yeah. Yeah. But So did you get a good deal? So at some point, I'm in their books because I I I gave them I don't remember what the purchase price was anymore, but I think it was $300,000 for the business. But anyway, it's I turned it into my home. Oh. So yeah. So anyway. And I don't know why they were selling it because they were using it to build sets inside. Even while it's fine, I'm like, you guys need this white. I'm glad it's available. But anyway

I do want to make a note. You asked the remaining amount is 299,000. I do want to point this out. You've still not decided on the last seven applications. And if we The zoo's pretty big. If we go up to the zoo Yeah. I put in the requested amount, which is 320,000 But it's up to up to 10%,

which is the $2.70 70. So that adds another 50 to your excess. Correct.

Okay. So it sounds like we have plenty. It sounds like we have a couple of proposals here, but I'm okay with what Damon Knowing We're seventy five and thirty five. Council member Ericsson pointed out that if we do less, it's gonna get changed at the council. You know, listen. I won't say his name,

but What's Carl's heart? I won't say his name. It is so interesting when we bring that up. It's like all the heads turn. Okay. No. And you know, he's faithful and I admire him. I I totally admire him for, you know,

the I see. He's had a good experience. Actually, I admire your counsel's, like, piecing that saying, yeah. Like, sure. All all of you.

So Okay. So I've heard a couple of different proposals. What are your thoughts? Quick question. How much

because I can't see it in here on the finances on the road to 2022. Back then, there was 1,100,000 in cash on hand. And in 2021, they had 2,000,000

o 6 g I don't know what the current well, what you need to understand, Reed, is that they sell tickets ahead of time. Right. And so that cash is there, but they have not yet delivered, and so there's an offsetting liability.

Somewhere down below the There's an accrued

liability for the for for the performance. Okay. So it doesn't spell that. So Yeah. And so the fact that there's a lot of cash on that doesn't

Okay.

But not to say, we should do what I said, but but what if we did $4.75 and put a highlight on it so that we could balance the $4.75 versus 500 with the other things that we flagged to come back? And on the other one, I had it at 40 on the other one, but Sounds good to me. And and similarly, we can flag it and come back as we weigh competing considerations across some of these that we said. Come back on. I'm okay with that. Yeah. $4.75 and 40. Good job. 75.

And come back and revisit once we're done. Okay. So $4.75 on project 71 and 40 on project 72 and put that on our list of revisits after we're done going through this whole I know Damon did that. Why did I? It for more time. No. Because

yeah. There we then there you go. That's a we've got a stall until food gets here. That's exactly why I did that. Yes. That's a

Okay. That brings us to project 73, ballet dance ensemble spring twenty twenty five concerts, and they requested $5,000 of their $40,000 budget.

There's scores. Give it to

Any proposals on that? Leave it the way it is. You funded all the other arts? Yeah. One k. We have a proposal to fully fund their $5,000 request. Any alternative proposals? Where's the little? 29?

I didn't. No.

We were all tired by the time we got to this one.

We didn't have profit, but it's real. Subjective.

Yeah. So '74, '75, and '76 are all Wellsville.

First one is basketball courts. Next one is tennis courts. And then one after that is sidewalk and walking paths. I didn't pay them. The only problem with Welchville is that I just felt like they I I didn't see much community effort towards the project. They were Yeah. Asking for full funding on the 74 and 75, and I just didn't see any I'm

Yeah. That turned me off their projects. Yeah. As well. I mean, they didn't even have something to put something in the game on their own end. Yeah. Something that bothered me with them is in 2020,

they requested

a grandest 75,000 for pickleball courts, and they still hadn't finished them. Yeah.

Wow. It's

also the counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, So and wraps.

So we have three proposals here. What is the preference of the board?

Doing this? First one is basketball. I had the basketball at 80,000.

I mean, I'm not What was the score on that, Elmer? The the score for the basketball courts was 32. K. For the tennis courts is 27. And the sidewalk and walking paths, that's for 31.

What was the last one?

31. 31

for the sidewalk and walking paths.

Basketball for it. So he said 80,000. That was I was at 75. So.

Yeah. 80,000 on 74. Okay. Dollars 80,000 on 74. That brings us to 75.

I just really would like to see some kind of effort towards these projects.

Then let's fund it half.

I mean I didn't recommend anything on that one.

I almost felt that way, but I And also have them finish the pickleball courts Yeah. As of today before we fund the tennis courts. What does this mean? Yeah. Talking about? Anyway,

I'm not saying so. I mean,

I just thought I didn't put anything on this. Yeah. I didn't do it. So but I didn't. Okay. So if if we don't do anything on tennis courts, what do you guys wanna do on the sidewalk and walking path?

Well, at least they put something into this one. And I was gonna I fully funded them.

Alright? Can can you help? Wish where I knew where they were. But there again, is it the city sidewalk?

Right. Is it city sidewalk or is this like, some fun trail? Well, it's I've said that that's why when I was here, I wanted to give them something. Six sidewalks.

Alright. Don't they have Again, they need Other funding from They need to do that out of their city budget.

Belt. Wanna stay out of business of repairing sidewalks for rafts, personally.

Okay.

I I I agree. I and I I just I had a maybe I didn't read carefully enough, but I'm trying to get a picture of because a walk you know, path in a park, right, we funded lots of that kind of stuff out of RAPS. Sidewalks, I I have a little bit and and I I'm not sure what the balance is between those things. I need to take a closer look at it. So if if the board is not interested in funding those other two projects, do you want to fully fund their first one?

I would then. I would. Yeah. I I think it will maybe it's a big enough city there.

Maybe we'll still get a yes or no? Yes. I would fund fully fund the first one. Fully fund the first one and not fund the other two. Well, I would just like to know what walking paths they're gonna actually do. I mean, city sidewalk and walking paths, what's the what's the breakdown? There's no map. There's Yeah. I don't know where that Yeah. Not enough details. Okay. So it sounds like Could we get more Don't fund

50 or don't fund 75 or 76, but give 74 the full funding. Yes. Are they okay with that?

I was okay with 80. I was okay with 80. Don't wanna pull back? Yeah. I was okay with I'll tell you why. Just again She wants Again, I I just don't like the presence of, like, hey. I want a project. You guys find the whole thing. Nothing from out of our pocket. Yeah. I I just think they need that. With the feedback of yeah. What we've already told them.

Yeah.

Is that you? Are you the the fun messenger of your feedback?

They can watch the video. They can watch the video. Okay. I'll play with the video. Yeah. Well done.

I guess, I we kinda maybe did say this too, but at least with the cities. But, you know, I I just any any organization, I think, they're saying, hey. Fund my whole thing. I just I just kinda, like, you know, really? Like, it had to be some really good cause to say, you know, you know, there's no effort for getting funds from other places. I I just think that yeah. Okay. Pretty much.

I I think some encouragement for proposal development in the next go around, encourage them to get with Alma or or others. I I think if the sidewalk and walking paths application were a little more clearly developed, so so we knew a little more specifically with a map or things like that, then it would be a lot easier for me to go in and say, yes. This is clearly a a trail that provides connectivity for for that kind of for for non motorized non vehicular traffic, I would be but it it's just harder to see in this application. I I I I would I wouldn't hesitate to give Wellsville more funding. Yeah. That's I just need how I'm thinking. The amount of money for me here. It's just seeing what the project really clearly defines. Or the sidewalk ones. Maybe, Alma, next year with the applications, maybe we should have a specific

question for them to upload maps, diagrams, plans so that we can see We never Especially if it's something like a trail. Yeah. You know, there's some of these that they're It helps us get the scope of what we're Yeah. We're approving. There's a place they can upload attachments, but maybe if we specifically ask them if you are proposing a project that has something we'd want to see a picture of, give us a picture of it.

Just as an aside. We're going back to 80,000 on that one then? Yeah. 80,000

as an aside, when we started on this ten years ago, they did not submit financial statements Yeah. Nor budgets, nor their September. And I think we've made it a much better process by requiring those things. Yeah.

Requiring. Probably thanks to you too, guys. Score zeros. Thanks. Thank you. Well, as well, the other two requests for Wells Bell are zero. Are zeros. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. And that brings us to project 77, which is Zutau. And, Alma, will you remind us what does the legislation say as far as what they

get? Up to Okay. I think it's up to Yes. 10%.

Is

that what it says? Percent is the two seventy. Yes. And And I'm fine. Just to make you feel good about that, it shows that their year ended December 2022, they were $25,000 ahead for that year. And 2023, they were $40,000. So they are Thank you, Paul. They are making a pro profit. That's great. To call it that. That's good. And and they are doing improvements.

That's right. And 10% of our money is? The the 10% Of the wraps revenue for this The wraps. Year. $2.70 $79.82.

02/5446.

Okay. So I I do wanna make a note just so there is no misunderstanding. At the time when the applications were due, we did not have because we have a two month delay. We had to get the budgets all lined up. And so he Troy made a request for the 320, not because he wanted that, because it was an unknown

as to what that 10% was. He was just saying, I'm throwing this number out there so I make sure I get at least 10%. That's That's what he was saying. Okay. So with that being said, is there a proposal on this one? $2.70 fully fund. Yeah. I don't have a problem giving them 10% this year. Okay. So the proposal then is the 10% number, which is the $2.70 and change.

So where does that lead us?

Okay. Alright. So with that being done, good job everybody. It's 11:30, 11:29, and we've made it through all these. We have some to revisit, though.

Where are we? Yeah. Where are we? So the bottom line is to check some balance to make sure that we had all of them. We weren't missing anything. So we have 76 budget applications, and you are at $665,065 for a remaining, balance.

K. So we have plenty left if we wanna go revisit some of these ones. I knew we would Alma, do you have I knew we'd be have the list of the ones we marked as revisit? Yes.

Those two. So I have the American West Heritage Center number three and four. Number three, you already suggested 110,000. I don't know what they requested. And then 40,000

for number four. And they requested 50.

I'd I'd move we switch both of those to fully funded. K. Any thoughts

You bet. I'm okay. K. So fully fund number three was fully funded at what 120,000. 120,000.

And the next one, the number four, was 50,000.

50,000. Okay. What is the next one, Alma, that you that we told you we want to revisit?

Cash community vans. This is the cash community vans.

Okay. We previously recommended 10,000. They asked for four they asked for 12. They've got 12. Okay. So let's bump that up to 12. 12,000. K. That's easy. Next one. 6.

Okay. 6. That was the Do you wanna vote on number six? No. I can't vote on that.

44. 44

is the Logan Is that the next one?

Academy. Yeah. Business for the parent. Right. Just just a note though on number 12, we were gonna look into ARPA money Yes. For that one. If that it wouldn't be bad to have a little bit of research that we could we have to go one way or the other if something happens. So correct. That's you're talking about the generator? Yes. So yeah.

Would the board like to recommend we could make a recommendation that if arpa money is not available for that one that wraps money be. We we could do that. Is it with the board be okay with that. Yeah. Okay. So I'm a feel just Mark that one as if our money is not able to fund that one or is not allocated to fund that one that we would recommend funding it with wraps money for the generator. I really wanna fund it with our

That's a 190,000.

Under 90.

90,000. I think it's I fits within the parameters. Okay.

And then that brings us to Project 44 was Logan Community Foundation, Panoramic Academy. They asked for 49,000 and we recommended anybody like to revisit that one?

They were the oh, they're the summer camp people with the 500. I did

too. This is the panoramic. Mhmm.

Yeah. I So we we previously recommended 20. As for 49.

Oh, no. Heck, I'd at least give them 30. 40,000?

I'm okay with going up on this. I had it ranked lower, but

I did too. If we've got if we've got 500 kids.

And and we've got kids. Yeah. That's In the summer, keeping them busy. Yes. You say, Catherine? Like. I had them at forty. Forty?